yes, my mind is a sponge and my mouth is a vessel of enlightenment, thus, time = wisdom = peace and prosperity. not to mention the selfish desire to witness the fulfillment of our human potential as a universally dominating species. the ultimate goal is omniscience, omnipotence, and immortality after all.
To live long enough to see the outer ice moons land in the goldilocks zone of our then red giant sun? To see humans last that long? To keep going until the end of time? I could live with that.
@@costco_pizza I basically had a full on panic attack like 15 minutes ago thinking about death 😅 I love to love and I love life and art and want to experience everything to the fullest, but I also have such a strong fear of death and I can't convince myself of anything like an afterlife or something like that. Honestly I just want to be like my dad who does not care in the slightest
Speaking of how ubiquitous cell phones are, I was in Southern Africa a few years back. And I remember being in rural Zimbabwe where many of the houses didn't seem to have power. Yet EVERYONE was walking around with smart phones. I was like, "Where are they even charging the damn things???" It's fascinating.
Went to a place where people live in a nomad tent beside a grassland. I see they have few solar panel spread just outside the tent. the rest is mostly traditional, just the smartphone is there. and probably have some portable lithium battery, and led light
@@stoursjoseph And that doesn’t concern you? That these things will only be for the rich and the poor workers will be left to rot? It is not a surprise that one of Elon Musks’s priorities is exactly this.
Lots of people think they will be bored silly by the time they get to be 1000 years old.. But I contend that they are thinking in terms of seeing the same old thing of seeing nothing new happen in their lives. They are thinking of putting together billion piece jig saw puzzles to the relief from the fact of eternity stretching on and on into the future. The reality may be far different...
@Duane Lewis it's like imagine being 80 when electricity was invented. There's literally almost infinite things u could do but can't due to our lives being so short.
I actually want a computer connection to my brain. I have a lot of physical problems that make it difficult to interact with tech sometimes, and a BCI would fix that
@@Jimi_Lee Muscle spasms and cramps make any physical interface difficult to use and often strain can lead to photophobia and sensory issues that make it harder to take in info from the screen. I hope we can fix the first issue, as this would also greatly help paralyzed people, but I don't know if it'll ever be possible to put complex info/images INTO the brain.
Oh boy are you naive. You really think these globalists want to help ppl like you??? No! That's what they want you to think. Grow up. They're pushing this to enslave the human race. Ray Kurzw.....is a demon. He's got a track record of predicting because it's not random what's happening, they're directing it behind the scenes. These ppl are liars, make it sound exciting and romantic, just the opposite is true.
@James Furey how does hackers have to do anything with free will alone ?😐Beacuse it does not hackers mean just hack a computer program and their are anti hacker systems all ready built in computers 😐so no free will has nothing to do with hackers pal 😑I learned about this and you think just Beacuse I learned about free will that means I can hack a hacker ? Sorry pal but that’s fake 😑
They were talking about the organs prolonged, and in most cases better than we originally had. Leaving the brain for another discussion, I’m surprised these two PHDs didn’t mention the main fabric that keeps us together which are the bones. Assuming most bones could last up to 100 years on average on a human body, what about the lesser smaller bones that would need a lot of work to sustain the entire skeleton.
I just want to say a massive thankyou to ray for his knowledge and effective predictions. As someone who would like to live much longer his words give me hope and I’m optimistic. 🤞
Mr. Kurzweil seems to have unlocked the clear vision and patience to pursue improvements to humans using technology. Less of a prediction per se, more of a creative genius. ❤
@@billing100 that looks like a hairpiece. I have no judgment, just saying. If his body is renewing itself why does his face not show the same renewal as the hair?
I can't wait... honestly I'm all for it. I can't imagine the endless possibilities. The engineering on a molecular level with Nanos could repair the damage of a heart attach as it's happening... or removes the cancer as the cell start to form.... the possibilities of replaying an event like it's in real time to learn... just imagine with the help of this tech we could use more than just the 10% of our brain at 1 time.. sign me up honestly maybe you can take the seizures away... I fry my brain every time it happens your machines can't do much worse...
Very optimistic comment, and I don't begrudge it, but the whole "10% of our brains at a time" is nonsense and has been debunked many times over, even by Neil Tyson himself.
My own laws of "perpetual longevity" are 1. If it can exist along side you, it's not you. 2. Transference has to be initiated by using machines that can perform all the tasks of the cells they're replacing. And 3. The transference from organic to inorganic has to be gradual so the "consciousness/ghost in the shell" is not ended or interrupted.
Im always thinking, it wont be me, as in it wont be my experience, it will be a copy/clone. What if after uploading, I decide, "Nope, don't want it no more", and keep my original body alongside the uploaded copy. Who is the real me? Despite me choosing to keep my original or not, I will never experience the uploaded consciousness experiences
Re: #3 if the transference is very gradual where the new body is connected to the old for a while and then the old body is amputated, this would still allow for the retention of your sense of self
I want to live forever! There are no benefits to aging. A 100-year-old car can be renovated so it becomes better than new. I look forward to the day, when we can do the same with our bodies. Thanks Neil and Ray Kurzweil! An very interesting video.👍
A major drawback is the birth rate will have to stop since resources are limited ( this is already the core reason of almost all conflicts in the history of humanity). Like everything, solving one problem often causes new and often more extreme consequences.
@@thewb8329 Hasn't it already stopped? By the time we stop aging, kids will be a rare sight. If not, I would make it a trade off. Wanna live forever? First you have to be sterilized. It's a small price to pay, and you could just have kids before that.
@@julius43461 Other considerations is impact on societies. If it is only available to the few that could afford it, a new feudal system may emerge with an even more extreme shift of power, wealth and inequality. Also social norms may be solidified by that controlling generation. Death is the last great equalizer.
When you live with technology derived abundance, things become extremely cheap. We do not pay much for computer storage these days because it is abundant. In the form of Flash drives, which are frequently given out free as business tchotchkes, people can store entire music collections and more. Sixty years ago an early drive unit would cost many thousands of dollars and posses way smaller capacity. Technology advancement will have this effect on many things. If everyone has say, a realistic version of a Star Trek replicator, it could satisfy your needs for goods and more. The high quality products it makes would be cheap as dirt. We will live in a disposable (recyclable) economy where these things can be broken back down to build something else you need. Little or no money will be needed to live the life of kings or better. In the future, cheap land could be created as needed in many huge O'Neill "space station" cylinders. Powered by the sun, they could house trillions of people around the solar system. Money loses its importance to the point where it might be time to think of a new economic model. Capitalism involves the haves and have-nots. In the world of abundance, everyone is a "have". People might be thought to have a birth right to live good lives with no financial worries. It's hard for us to imagine because we grew up and have only experienced a world full of scarcity. That is changing. Our lives will change beyond what people can imagine. That is the Singularity.
The current economic structure, based on limited resources that are doled out as rewards for working a lot, benefits the people who run the economy, not those who actually produce value. An economy of abundance is possible, if we limit our population and reorganize our criteria for who is "worthy" of living a good life - but that won't happen for a very long time, if ever. The forces against it are very strong.
Fascinating interview with someone I knew nothing about! Regarding "life getting better", I'm gonna stick my neck out and highly recommend the book, "Enlightenment Now", by Steven Pinker. (Everyone was so down in the dumps at the end of 2020, that I gave copies to several family members for Christmas!) In it, he too points out how lifespan and quality of life has improved worldwide over the past 2 centuries (including vast reductions in poverty). He is by no means a pollyanna, and his book is a call to arms to protect and defend how much we have accomplished, and to foster Reason over Tyranny.
Thank you for reminding me of Pinker’s book. I’ve been meaning to get it. And what a nice, and clever, thing to do giving others a copy of his book. Great timing.
I love this topic and Ray is a great guest. I think about mortality, and the potential of immortality, all the time. I may be considered odd for saying this, but I believe the only path for humans to survive for a long period of time going into the future is to extend our lives and eventually become immortal. It is my belief that our mortal lives limit the scope and objectives of our lives to petty, transient things that inherently doom our fate as a species to be transient itself. To address problems beyond the scope of a mortal life, one must transcend that limitation, and acquire the time necessary to do the work of fixing the problems of our society, and climate change particularly. For far too many centuries, we have been stuck in a cycle of the old becoming slightly wiser with age only to die off and leave younger generations to have to learn everything all over again and often repeat many of the same mistakes. Our mortality is incredibly inefficient and highly counterproductive to progress in so many ways. I would like nothing more than the privilege to live beyond such a finite duration in order to continuously try to acquire more knowledge and affect the world around me with that knowledge in a positive way. A mortal life is too brief to even begin to learn and do all the things I would like to. Not long enough for me to accomplish much beyond securing the resources necessary to fuel my mortal body until I reach death by aging. I can't say I have any response to the potential problem of overpopulation becoming rampant with life extension/immortality becoming possible, but I do know this for damn sure: I for one have no kids, don't want kids, and I have zero plans to ever have kids. I would be a net neutral factor to the population. I don't get you people who want a mortal life and to have kids. You can have it.
I think the movie NDT is referencing was Blade Runner 2049, where the A.I. JOI, superimposes herself over a physical person so that the protagonist can appear to make physical contact with her (but really it's the other person with JOI's hologram overlaid on top). Probably other movies have also done this
This is literally the most cerebral man I have ever seen on screen And Neil is still my hero but this man is like Dr Victor von Doom. Well, Real recognize real. Thank you Neil for bringing him on.
The research of seeing if humans can live forever is amazing and interesting. This was not boring to listen to like some other podcasts too. I learned about the human anatomy and more about scientifically facts. The more I listened and the more he talked the more fascinating it was to listen
@@jettmthebluedragon Not necessarily... In a world of abundance including time abundance, we can solve ours and all the other earth lifeforms' problems.
@@frank254100 like I said time is just a construct 😑and even so I know you humans all to well you don’t care about other animals problems you only care about your OWN problems 😑Beacuse humans ARE the the problem it’s the truth you point fingers at others insted of taking responsibility and blame 😑beacuse all you care about is your so called ego and pride 😑
In Buddhism life is described as a dream. In a dream, if someone steals from you it only matters if you don’t realize it’s a dream. If you fully realize it’s a dream then you can materialize whatever was stolen instantly before you. You could instantly make 1,000 copies.
I agree with Neil that we can’t play around with anything in the brain because we don’t yet understand it. We can vaguely map it out, but humans still can’t differentiate neurophysiological sensations more closely aligned with emotion from actual thinking processes
Neil, you let him off the hook on a couple of very well put questions by you. He almost sounds like a politician. Maybe I have to read the book to understand.
Very interesting... All I wish to add is that I feel whomever decides to partake of the fountain of youth, should also take on the responsibility to contribute to solving the long term problems to protect all life and humanity from any threats (e.g. global warming, asteroid deflection, migration to another solar system when our sun becomes red star etc). In this case I feel one is worthy for prolonged life.
When he says feel like you're there with the person, he's talking about haptic feedback eqiupment that you can buy today to use in VR simulations. It's early days yet for consumer grade hardware, but there are new developments happening all the time, from gloves, to vests, to full body suits, that provide sensory feedback as you interact with a virtual environment. There are over a hundred games on Steam that support haptic vests. Commercial grade equipment has full body suits, ranging in capability from sensing pressure to feeling heat or cold, but they are tens of thousands of dollars.
I can't wait for it to become so realistic that it is nearly indistinguishable from reality. Storming Omaha beach in a video game like that or dogfighting over the skies of Europe would be very interesting. The trick will be finding out how to do this without causing PTSD because of it being so real.
And much farther out than that, tapping into our brain, we could simulate the senses experienced in being there. The sights the smells, touching and holding someone could be transmitted to our brains, bypassing our stimulus receptors in the nervous system. The Matrix level plug in.
@@lukeskydropper You haven't been playing enough video games then. I always considered myself to be a fit gamer, but then I meet some real gamers, and realized I am more like a gamer light.
I liked the way you described the fact, people are concerned we are getting worse while it gets better (according to data presented in Ray`s book) which drives decline of population this for some reason it relates to "Behavioral sink". If we take all the dangers out of population and provide infinite resources it has unexpectedly negative impact on species going forward, so the conclusion is that we all need predators to fight against and constant worry about resources 🤨. Awesome interview!
If there’s no duality in our reality, things become meaningless. If this will or (is happening), it will 100 percent create a living simulation. Which we are already living in to a certain degree in nature. I’ve often thought this was going to be the natural evolution of our species. This will come at the expense of our individuality and create a readable feed that not only can be hacked but can be altered. No privacy, no secrets, we essentially become Borg in a sense.
man i love your content ever since i seen you on the cosmos tv series youve had me hooked i got to say you are always peaking my intrest still even today
@@thatoneguy6233 No, I'm zerooskul. I am a very real and very different person from OP. My avatar shows my logo as "FreeLans Filmz", I am not @blacktop gaming and have no association with that person, group, or organization. I am a world-record-holding vintage gamer--primarily vintage handhelds--a journalist, an essayist, a fiction author, and an animator. My profile goes back to 2006. I don't use dummy accounts and if I did I wouldn't make posts with incorrect grammar on one account just to correct their grammar in comments from another account, that would be a very unsound behavior, like accusing people of pretending to be other people and correcting their grammar in public comments. I am this person, I am over here. I am not that person, group, or organization and I know nothing about them except that they have mediocre grammar.
Reasons why I hesitate to live forever... 1- If not dying from natural causes, that leaves you with accidental or intentional death by some other means. 2- They already dish out multiple life sentences. Imagine being able to be conscious and alive forever, but imprisoned. 3- It may destroy the essence of our lives as we know it. This show doesn't go on forever and that does something to our motivation and sense of urgency.
If anyone is worried about dying from unnatural causes then I can see how someone could be hesitant. But that would be more so paranoia. Can someone avoid committing a crime? That definitely can be done.
living forever will just give us a chance to Transend our mortal coils. if living forever was possible why not Transend to the unlimited power of the stars. people never think if one thing was possible why couldn't the other thing be possible you will live long enough to find the way
Thank you being one of the few with a sense of reason. Even Neil himself once used to say "there is an urgency to live, knowing that I will one day die. All of this is significant, *because* it is not infinite"
1. You are not creative with this. Whatever allows for biological "immortality" will also allow us to improve our hardiness. 2. You then also have enough time to repent, prove your worth and get a lesser sentence. Also, it concerns me this is what you are worrying about haha. Just a joke, but what are you planning on doing? 3. I believe that we will be able to achieve all these things and more, and it will absolutely destroy the essence of life.
Ever since I watched Ghost in the Shell when I was 13 I wanted to be a cyborg and many years later I still do. I think it is really cool and fascinating. The only big problem with any tech or really any thing today is that it's all about profit and I can 100% see a company not meeting its yearly expectations secretly turning my brain in a crypto mining rig to cover their losses. For me to put any such system in my brain both the software and hardware would have to be completely open source and the system would have to be designed so that it can run most functionality while not connected to any network.
@@MMAJOEY69 it is the final mark of the beast, yes. People are possessed by the beast. Elon is transhumanist and that is the next technology advancement.
He said we'd pass the Turing Test by 2029, and at the recency of ChatGPT and all the other AI-related stuff that's been made PUBLIC, I wholeheartedly believe him and am slightly terrified. The amount of US President AI voice memes I've seen is insane and they keep getting better.
if your brain is connected to the cloud and all of your thinking and thoughts are connected to a cloud that means they can literally control and monitor our thoughts. and what about our personalities or consciousness?
Not just that. If we are also gonna head into a global communist state, if you have thought processes that doesn't follow the authorities, they can instantly execute you.
8:00 - 13:00 there is actually game called Soma that tangels this segment. In it hero (player character), upload himself into cloud and he wakes up under the sea in the body of the robot. So he goes on a adventure and reveals mystery of why, when and how. So eventually he uploads him into a another robot that can go deeper and at the bottom he uploads his mind one more time into a space rocket where he lives in virtual reality. Now here is the catch of the game. All of his other selfs are inside of those robots are him and alive too, because during upload process he copied his mind to another robot and to virtual reality, so by the end of the game there is 3 of him alive. Now imagine if those robots would meet each other.
Considering the aliens running the simulation mentioned at the end of the video, what if the simulation is a video game and the goal is to see how fast your civilization reaches the singularity, after which the game ends?
@@brandonsmith1838 They are measuring time from there point of view, or maybe they don't even have time, time arrow only take place in our universe, not outside, and the theory doesn't apply ww
26:34 I love that just want to live until tomorrow and then after tomorrow within the day after that. Well when we have one extra year of life expectancy for every year that goes by well then that tomorrow could turn into indefinitely.
I have the impression NDT doesn't take Ray's predictions very seriously and is dismissive of the whole singularity concept. I can't blame his healthy skepticism but it is nice to hear about imminent technological advances improving the quality of life for the general public, even if the prediction may be exaggerated.
@@3hijos5nietos He's a villain for what? He's pointing out the obvious course technology will take. He might be off by a decade or even a century but it's inevitable that humanity will merge with technology.
Actually, he's the hero of this story. Without him, the world would have less information about the exponential growth of technology and the massive ways it's going to reshape our lives for the better.
@@Tarry_Plaguer It's not really a matter of faster computers, tho that certainly helps, of course. We're only just beginning to understand how memories are stored and accessed, and we still have no real understanding of what's involved in the formation of human consciousness. At this point, I'd almost wager we know more about the Challenger Deep than we do our own brains hehe! Sure, there's some great research happening at the moment to answer all those questions -- but unless there's some seriously low-key high-end projects going on under the radar, I sincerely doubt we'll have mastered any of that in the next 8 years. If he had said a date like 2080, 2122, or something a bit further off, I could see it... but 2030? Yeah, no.
@@olencone4005 I think it is most likely going to be a who wants it and for what reason type of advancement. We already have a plethora of japanese anime and sci-fi movies that are flooding the public consciousness with ideas of connecting to the web through a headset. Of having sensory feedback in games. This outpouring is causing a bunch of ambitious projects to understand ways to non invasively access the human brain and to decipher the electrical impulses that the brain creates. Then to use this for bio-feedback. It is true that 8 years might seem like a short period, but the thing is that just one group somewhere needs to make a breakthrough and the whole market will instantly flood into that. The market is PROFITABLE. Whoever makes that breakthrough will be rich, and money... Well money makes the world go round. If we get a big company to seriously want this, say Sega, or a social media platform like Meta Platforms (Facebook) of which Oculus VR was a division. I'm not saying it can't happen. At least not in some sort of limited way. Mapping of the whole brain and consciousness, probably not, but some sort of sensory feedback and immersion into a CG environment. Maybe. And once that dam breaks... Eight years? No. Twenty years? Not saying it's impossible. Thirty years? It wouldn't surprise me.
@@Tarry_Plaguer The current batch of brain-computer interfaces essentially rely on nerve signals to trigger a response on the computer. The user "trains" the software by doing or thinking of doing a specific task... the headset then registers the brain's neurological response to signals from the nervous system that correspond to that task, and then sends the signal to the computer. It's very basic -- definitely a field I expect to hear some great announcements from at some point in the near future tho! But there's a huge gap between "this signal means to click the mouse" and what is essentially recording "you" onto a digital storage device, letting you or others flip your your memories, dreams, and experiences like we would skip around on the timeline of a video, or flip through the chapters of an old book. I can totally see the former within 8 years, albeit still a bit rough and limited in capabilities, but I just don't see the latter until well into this century, if not the next. That's a HUGE jump in both capabilities and technical knowledge, almost like going from Kitty Hawk directly to a Space Shuttle... it's gonna take some some time for that to happen, some trial and error to see how things work, some crude early versions and dead-ends to fine-tune the design -- just like it did with that Shuttle.
Neil, your question at 30:30, airplanes are going the same speed as 50 years ago because 720mph sonic booms disturb people so it was outlawed to go more than 700mph. My car can do well over 75mph but that's outlawed too.
I reached the end point with this. I realized that we will definitely achieve this in the coming decades. But then I realized, that I would become very interested in what happens after I die. Maybe it's not as bad as it looks like.
Neal, the brain synapse structure is complicated and more important, specific to every individual. But it is very slow compared to the computer signal. This means that it's a perfect starting for machine learning technology already existing. The future is that every human will start with a basic ML set that will allow us to control the new cyborg like part of our body. But then it will run and rerun machine learning to adapt itself to our brain structure. Much like a baby becoming an adult.
This was actually a very fascinating and informative interview. Ray, really won me over with his knowledge and vision. I just want to know when the fully functional A.I. robots will be available with a great personality, and that look and feel exactly like Kat Winnick? He sort of hinted at it a few times. I want to know more about that one, LOL, LOL. She likes what you like, she likes to go where you like to go for fun, never has a headache, she even pays for the first date. C'mon scientists, bring that one. I'm pulling for ya.
If you want the 3rd layer of your intelligence to be in the form of Kat Winnick, speaking to it will be a way less efficient form of communication with it than having her your thoughts, at which point the cloud intelligence being Kat Winnick or somebody else will probably have little meaning. But if you want to have an obedient doll that looks like her that is indistinguishable from real her, that'll happen in the 2030s by Ray's estimations. But keep in mind, you'll probably not be able to do that because of laws/regulations and license agreement rules. But I'm sure there'll be ways to create something like that in more shady ways, like piracy or the Dark Web for example. Or you'll be able to create her in a hyper-realistic dream thanks to your brain enhancers, so you won't have to license anything from anybody or break any laws as you will be able to argue in court that you're only puppeteering an imaginary person with your own mind without taking anybody else's (be it cloud hyperintelligence or Kat Winnick's actual 'cracked' consciousness copy that you'll theoretically be able to download from the internet), and recreating her appearance with your own imagination. But the company that you purchased your brain enhancer from will probably know what you're doing with it (if we continue to not have complete privacy like a of today and we continue to be data mines for them or if there are encryption backdoors for the government to get into your brain in case there's evidence on the internet of you doing shady things from your IP address or location) and not allow that either.
I am wondering how this could have implications with mental illness. I mean like BPD, OCD, ADHD, or Depression. The triggering how the chemical receptors in the brain, let alone the hormones in the body. I think that could be a great advisement if we could have it supported by high inscription. Interesting
What a good point. 1900 we didn't really have movies at all..... 2022 and we have VR headsets that literally put us inside the video.... by the time I'm 80.... jesus.... the things we will have invented.
This video was hard to watch. I fundamentally understand what this discussion was about. But the actual listening was like listening to three drunk people. Wow. I need a cup of coffee now.
I read the Age of Spiritual Machines when it first came out and he clearly said the singularity would be in 2020 not 2029. Saying he said 2029 in that book is a straight up lie.
In the Age of Spiritual Machines, I thought Kurweil predicted that Moore's Law would end in 2020. But I'm no expert on the terms or their differences or similarities.
Yes the interview has flags. He's pushing a narrative on society to get AI be very careful. Our human bodies are capable of more than humans even know!
Moore's law says "roughly every two years, the number of transistors on microchips will double". So when we say moore's law has ended, we are saying, the concentration of transistors is nearing its limits. But concentration of transistors is just but one factor in the capabilities of chips. The next obvious factor is size, we could just increase the total amount of transistors and that's basically infinite.
And other thing: according to United Nations and other international organizations, poverty in the world is increasing. I wish to know how he has a chart saying that is less poverty now than in previous years or decades. Or maybe I misunderstood the chart
@@justwannabehappy6735 It's the nature of creation, it could be wrong since we know virtually nothing about the universe, but that's the most "accurate" thing we've come up with from our observations and simulations
When man learns of the power of thought force he will truly make extraordinary advances in development and technology. Thought force is energy, energy is matter, all is one great mind. This is why monks meditate. If you master the mind you master all forces. Because all is the mind. All are thought forces.
So I’m wondering if you could connect the brain with AI would you be able to comprehend all this new information? Just curious because having a learning disability makes thing harder to understand so hoping this would help. 🤷🏻♂️
In the future we'll have personalized AI that will function very much like Jarvis, but even better than you can imagine. The progress currently being made in AI is amazing and I am happy to be at the beginning of something great.
@@justwannabehappy6735 Google search is a rudimentary function. A carrot doesn't make a dish, but you combine it with other ingredients and you get a full meal. A mapping of the majority of human creations on the internet (google's primary function), mixed with an intelligence which can comprehend and create complex concepts, all at speeds we could never hope to achieve organically....
Perhaps even an AI-driven procedure that could analyze and mechanically or organically "re-wire" your neural pathways to overcome whatever the specific disability is? I'd give more than money for that...
If i can replace every part of my body into robotics, I'm in... 😁👍 The problem is, (beware long explaination) If we can replace every limbs/organs in our body one by one and it works perfectly by replicating the functions of the replaced limbs/organs. (eg. Robotic arm complete with a perfect nerve system, makes it feels like your actual arm but it's 🤟 now) When you replace your whole body (include the brain) at what point do we stop become Human?
I've been thinking that the secret to interstellar travel may simply be cracking the aging problem. Who needs FTL or wormholes? Once we have tech advanced enough to do that, it seems like just another very small step to develop true "hibernation pods" as seen in countless sci fi movies. At that point, even if you're travelling at an extremely small fraction of the speed of light, you can just sleep for thousands of years without aging (or perhaps stay awake playing around in VR) until you arrive at the destination star.
if we cure aging then you wou;dnt even need to upload your brain or anything. You just chill playing minecraft until you get to the new star system lol
@@AdonisGaming93 playing minecraft for 1000s of years not gonna happen you'll be different person by the time you arrive at your destination. Hibernation is more plausible
Scientists are on the verge of figuring out how to reverse aging, and its on the same timeline as Kurzweil is claiming for his idea. I think most people would vastly prefer true rejuvenation than having their brains "uploaded" and an AI-version experience life for them. I'm not so vain that I think it overwhelmingly important that a computer-generated version of my personality go on when I die. I think the "singularity" will come about because we'll develop the ability to reverse aging & inflammation in the human brain. Who knows what our brains will be able to do if they thrive at full capacity and build new connections for decades beyond what they could before?
Ray is the most creepiest dude ever. He's like something out of a surreal movie. Could he have already up loaded himself into a computer? Is he talking from inside a computer?
Nothing terrifies me more than the idea of living forever. How could that ever be a good thing? Anyone who says they want to is telling me they haven't actually pondered the idea.
Honestly when first reading about his comments on VR I was super sceptical. "How could VR possibly compare to the real thing? It's not real". But honestly, the more I experience of reality, the more I see his point. I was very isolated for a large part of my life so I always hyped up the real world. Now I'm actually experiencing it and honestly it's just the same. The only "real things" are all internal, nothing external really makes a difference. The only thing which affects me is perceived environment, but the difference between real and virtual (assuming full realisation of the tech) is arbitrary, except in virtual you have control, and in real you don't. That's not to say that the real world should be neglected, but that perhaps we put far more of an emphasis on it than we ought to as a result of our nurturing, in a similar way that some people will seem to defend ageing.
You might like reading about the work of Donald D. Hoffman. Some of what you mention is touched upon in his books and his research. He has a wikipedia page too, so you can start with a clean search and go from there.
To others it’s good but that’s only Beacuse they had a good life 😑if they had a HORRIBLE life I bet they would not say those things 😑that’s why I have realized life is a blessing….and curse 😑
@@justwannabehappy6735 no it’s not 😑maybe that’s how you see it but I would say otherwise and I respect your opinion but saying your opinion is true is false beacuse for something to be truth it has to work for everyone 😑and life is NOT just a curse it’s also a blessing 😐that’s what I’m saying it’s not black or white it’s gray 😐
I would love to be involved in experiments that measured brain activity during a spiritual experience (during the deepest sleep), so we can map different brains and see if a pattern emerges. Especially with people who have other worldly experiences…
Not so sure about these claims. A lot of this sounds similar to the Venus Project in terms of optimism and a disregard for the social/trust implications of things like... uploading a mind to the 'cloud'. I hate uploading my documents to the cloud because it exposes them to loss in an uncontrolled way. My mind? Brain? Even just a record? To whose cloud? Who operates it? Our networking systems and trust across these networks (especially with geopolitical concerns) means that, sure, perhaps we could do it, and perhaps we should do it, but there are reasons why we can't have nice things
I agree fully with this. I'd rather have a smart phone than uploading any of my being onto the internet. I'd like to live for hundreds of years, but that'll have to be through biological means because I don't trust machines can keep me as me. What I mean is, having an artificial brain with my perfect personality etc makes me immortal, but I don't trust that my conciousness will follow it, no matter what way it's made. So the only option is to find a biological way for my specific brain to keep on living forever.
FALSE 😑you have NOT Ben alive for hundreds of years 😑go watch mythbusters anything is NOT possible 😑you can’t just do whatever you want 😑I’m sorry but that’s just how the universe and Mother Nature works 😑the only way it’s possible is in the mind the mind of imagination a FALSE reality a matrix 😑so anything is NOT possible I’m sorry buts that’s just the cold hard truth 😑
I don't think it is actually possible The human brain has a huge storage capacity, but it is finite So even if you could stop aging, you would eventually have the operating system crash due to lack of memory Uploading your mind to a computer isn't really viable either. Since it would just be a copy of your thoughts, but not really you Unless, we could make some leap to where we could exist as pure consciousness without physical form immortality really isn't possible
Exactly in fact we could be repeating our lives and we don’t know it 😐as you said the brain does not have unlimited storage you can’t have a baby with a brain that of an adult 😑
I work in the mental health field. If there isn’t enough work for people, then some of the people themselves will be the work for others. Which I think is probably good; humans trying to improve the lives of other humans is the essence of work.
Nano bots smart enough to back up your brain would be start enough to evolve on their own, and self replicate. Anyone who has watched star trek know how that end, for the those who haven't, it isn't good.
Could you use nano bots to activate or deactivate neurons at will? Maybe they can be built to fit into the neurons key to activate it. That would be amazing if you could just set your mood on a dial. Or maybe project images directly into your visual cortex. I could see how the brain and the internet could work in unison someday.
Would you want to live forever?
yes, my mind is a sponge and my mouth is a vessel of enlightenment, thus, time = wisdom = peace and prosperity. not to mention the selfish desire to witness the fulfillment of our human potential as a universally dominating species. the ultimate goal is omniscience, omnipotence, and immortality after all.
I’d be much more interested in an average lifespan but without the consequences of aging
Yes
To live long enough to see the outer ice moons land in the goldilocks zone of our then red giant sun? To see humans last that long? To keep going until the end of time? I could live with that.
No because if we could the billionaires won't let anyone else live forever.
There’s a huge difference between wanting to live forever because life is so wonderful, and wanting to be immortal because you’re afraid to die.
That is my issue. I am very afraid to die. I really hope something in this video does come true so that I don't have to live in fear.
@@costco_pizza I basically had a full on panic attack like 15 minutes ago thinking about death 😅 I love to love and I love life and art and want to experience everything to the fullest, but I also have such a strong fear of death and I can't convince myself of anything like an afterlife or something like that. Honestly I just want to be like my dad who does not care in the slightest
The ones who are afraid to die have the motivation to get it done
Those who are afraid to die haven't lived long enough. - k d.a
Who cares what’s the reason
Speaking of how ubiquitous cell phones are, I was in Southern Africa a few years back. And I remember being in rural Zimbabwe where many of the houses didn't seem to have power. Yet EVERYONE was walking around with smart phones. I was like, "Where are they even charging the damn things???" It's fascinating.
it's more than meet the eyes brother... 😆
*Agent Smith has entered the chat*
@@samrobinson9110 🤣
Went to a place where people live in a nomad tent beside a grassland. I see they have few solar panel spread just outside the tent. the rest is mostly traditional, just the smartphone is there. and probably have some portable lithium battery, and led light
I can't afford to live forever.
I don’t even know how I’ve made it this long
@@stoursjoseph And that doesn’t concern you? That these things will only be for the rich and the poor workers will be left to rot? It is not a surprise that one of Elon Musks’s priorities is exactly this.
I'll point you to furturama A fish full of dollar, invest now 🤣
@@dronin2647 I never said I’d give anyone head.
There is enough wealth in the world to support everyone. The problem comes when having more than someone else is considered better.
Been following star talk since ages. This should really be primetime talk show!
What time is "primetime" on youtube?
No
Yes.
@@21stcenturyscots 2am on weekdays, especially when you have to wake up at 6am
We already can live forever we just all need to be on the same DAO. Neil too busy terrorizing me to do the right thing. Why does he hate me so much?
Living forever sounds terrifying and enlightening at the same time
Lots of people think they will be bored silly by the time they get to be 1000 years old..
But I contend that they are thinking in terms of seeing the same old thing of seeing nothing new happen in their lives. They are thinking of putting together billion piece jig saw puzzles to the relief from the fact of eternity stretching on and on into the future. The reality may be far different...
@Duane Lewis it's like imagine being 80 when electricity was invented. There's literally almost infinite things u could do but can't due to our lives being so short.
i am good at 15,000 years
@@rosspainting9499 damn
@@rosspainting9499 I can bet a planet you'll want just one more day when the last day of year 15,000 arrives... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I actually want a computer connection to my brain. I have a lot of physical problems that make it difficult to interact with tech sometimes, and a BCI would fix that
What kind of problems, and how will a brain chip help?
@@Jimi_Lee Muscle spasms and cramps make any physical interface difficult to use and often strain can lead to photophobia and sensory issues that make it harder to take in info from the screen. I hope we can fix the first issue, as this would also greatly help paralyzed people, but I don't know if it'll ever be possible to put complex info/images INTO the brain.
Oh boy are you naive. You really think these globalists want to help ppl like you??? No! That's what they want you to think. Grow up. They're pushing this to enslave the human race. Ray Kurzw.....is a demon. He's got a track record of predicting because it's not random what's happening, they're directing it behind the scenes. These ppl are liars, make it sound exciting and romantic, just the opposite is true.
@@EvolvedSungod even so no free will 😑take cyrax and sector their cyborgs and they don’t have free will a computer can easy be hacked 😑
@James Furey how does hackers have to do anything with free will alone ?😐Beacuse it does not hackers mean just hack a computer program and their are anti hacker systems all ready built in computers 😐so no free will has nothing to do with hackers pal 😑I learned about this and you think just Beacuse I learned about free will that means I can hack a hacker ? Sorry pal but that’s fake 😑
I am amazed every time I watch Dr Tyson. These podcasts should be shown in all middle and high schools.
They were talking about the organs prolonged, and in most cases better than we originally had. Leaving the brain for another discussion, I’m surprised these two PHDs didn’t mention the main fabric that keeps us together which are the bones. Assuming most bones could last up to 100 years on average on a human body, what about the lesser smaller bones that would need a lot of work to sustain the entire skeleton.
Bones tend to outlive the rest of the body
I've been thinking the same, there should be a way to replace it with a more durable one... it won't be easy, but it is needed for good reasons.
Just replace bones with a silicon or aluminum or some other prototype
@@MacNif Well, robots are taking hold as we speak.
@@MacNif Or adamantium . . .
Good interview. It’s great to see Ray Kurzweil still inventing, writing and teaching.
I just want to say a massive thankyou to ray for his knowledge and effective predictions. As someone who would like to live much longer his words give me hope and I’m optimistic. 🤞
Mr. Kurzweil seems to have unlocked the clear vision and patience to pursue improvements to humans using technology. Less of a prediction per se, more of a creative genius. ❤
He’s already on his way to being a cyborg: artificial pancreas, artificial hair….
Ship of Theseus
No, hair is real. It is growing new body. You'l see in time.
@@billing100 that looks like a hairpiece. I have no judgment, just saying. If his body is renewing itself why does his face not show the same renewal as the hair?
@@billing100 😆
My favorite episode for sure, I thought Neil should've asked more imaginative questions.
You have no idea
I can't wait... honestly I'm all for it. I can't imagine the endless possibilities. The engineering on a molecular level with Nanos could repair the damage of a heart attach as it's happening... or removes the cancer as the cell start to form.... the possibilities of replaying an event like it's in real time to learn... just imagine with the help of this tech we could use more than just the 10% of our brain at 1 time.. sign me up honestly maybe you can take the seizures away... I fry my brain every time it happens your machines can't do much worse...
Very optimistic comment, and I don't begrudge it, but the whole "10% of our brains at a time" is nonsense and has been debunked many times over, even by Neil Tyson himself.
We use 100% of our brain now. The 10% thing you heard is a myth.
Sidenote: the 10% of your brain thing is just a myth, not at all accurate
Can't u see this is insanity.....this is pure entrapment and experimentation
My own laws of "perpetual longevity" are 1. If it can exist along side you, it's not you. 2. Transference has to be initiated by using machines that can perform all the tasks of the cells they're replacing. And 3. The transference from organic to inorganic has to be gradual so the "consciousness/ghost in the shell" is not ended or interrupted.
Im always thinking, it wont be me, as in it wont be my experience, it will be a copy/clone. What if after uploading, I decide, "Nope, don't want it no more", and keep my original body alongside the uploaded copy. Who is the real me? Despite me choosing to keep my original or not, I will never experience the uploaded consciousness experiences
Re: #3 if the transference is very gradual where the new body is connected to the old for a while and then the old body is amputated, this would still allow for the retention of your sense of self
I want to live forever! There are no benefits to aging. A 100-year-old car can be
renovated so it becomes better than new. I look forward to the day, when we can do
the same with our bodies. Thanks Neil and Ray Kurzweil! An very interesting video.👍
A major drawback is the birth rate will have to stop since resources are limited ( this is already the core reason of almost all conflicts in the history of humanity). Like everything, solving one problem often causes new and often more extreme consequences.
Birth rate should definitely decrease.
@@thewb8329 Hasn't it already stopped? By the time we stop aging, kids will be a rare sight. If not, I would make it a trade off. Wanna live forever? First you have to be sterilized. It's a small price to pay, and you could just have kids before that.
@@julius43461 Other considerations is impact on societies. If it is only available to the few that could afford it, a new feudal system may emerge with an even more extreme shift of power, wealth and inequality.
Also social norms may be solidified by that controlling generation.
Death is the last great equalizer.
@@thewb8329 birth rates are already decreasing worldwide.
When I hear about that wonderful rosy future I find that the issue of money is never addressed.
When you live with technology derived abundance, things become extremely cheap. We do not pay much for computer storage these days because it is abundant. In the form of Flash drives, which are frequently given out free as business tchotchkes, people can store entire music collections and more. Sixty years ago an early drive unit would cost many thousands of dollars and posses way smaller capacity.
Technology advancement will have this effect on many things. If everyone has say, a realistic version of a Star Trek replicator, it could satisfy your needs for goods and more. The high quality products it makes would be cheap as dirt. We will live in a disposable (recyclable) economy where these things can be broken back down to build something else you need. Little or no money will be needed to live the life of kings or better.
In the future, cheap land could be created as needed in many huge O'Neill "space station" cylinders. Powered by the sun, they could house trillions of people around the solar system.
Money loses its importance to the point where it might be time to think of a new economic model. Capitalism involves the haves and have-nots. In the world of abundance, everyone is a "have". People might be thought to have a birth right to live good lives with no financial worries. It's hard for us to imagine because we grew up and have only experienced a world full of scarcity. That is changing. Our lives will change beyond what people can imagine. That is the Singularity.
@@mikewebb1514 Exactly.. A world full of abundance is non-intuitive and it will look totally different from today!!!
The current economic structure, based on limited resources that are doled out as rewards for working a lot, benefits the people who run the economy, not those who actually produce value. An economy of abundance is possible, if we limit our population and reorganize our criteria for who is "worthy" of living a good life - but that won't happen for a very long time, if ever. The forces against it are very strong.
Fascinating interview with someone I knew nothing about! Regarding "life getting better", I'm gonna stick my neck out and highly recommend the book, "Enlightenment Now", by Steven Pinker. (Everyone was so down in the dumps at the end of 2020, that I gave copies to several family members for Christmas!) In it, he too points out how lifespan and quality of life has improved worldwide over the past 2 centuries (including vast reductions in poverty). He is by no means a pollyanna, and his book is a call to arms to protect and defend how much we have accomplished, and to foster Reason over Tyranny.
Thank you for reminding me of Pinker’s book. I’ve been meaning to get it.
And what a nice, and clever, thing to do giving others a copy of his book. Great timing.
I love this topic and Ray is a great guest. I think about mortality, and the potential of immortality, all the time.
I may be considered odd for saying this, but I believe the only path for humans to survive for a long period of time going into the future is to extend our lives and eventually become immortal. It is my belief that our mortal lives limit the scope and objectives of our lives to petty, transient things that inherently doom our fate as a species to be transient itself. To address problems beyond the scope of a mortal life, one must transcend that limitation, and acquire the time necessary to do the work of fixing the problems of our society, and climate change particularly.
For far too many centuries, we have been stuck in a cycle of the old becoming slightly wiser with age only to die off and leave younger generations to have to learn everything all over again and often repeat many of the same mistakes. Our mortality is incredibly inefficient and highly counterproductive to progress in so many ways. I would like nothing more than the privilege to live beyond such a finite duration in order to continuously try to acquire more knowledge and affect the world around me with that knowledge in a positive way. A mortal life is too brief to even begin to learn and do all the things I would like to. Not long enough for me to accomplish much beyond securing the resources necessary to fuel my mortal body until I reach death by aging.
I can't say I have any response to the potential problem of overpopulation becoming rampant with life extension/immortality becoming possible, but I do know this for damn sure: I for one have no kids, don't want kids, and I have zero plans to ever have kids. I would be a net neutral factor to the population. I don't get you people who want a mortal life and to have kids. You can have it.
I agree when I tell my friends this they think Im crazy but I'm optimistic we will see it in my lifetime
@@kahibbakar4140same here
I think the movie NDT is referencing was Blade Runner 2049, where the A.I. JOI, superimposes herself over a physical person so that the protagonist can appear to make physical contact with her (but really it's the other person with JOI's hologram overlaid on top). Probably other movies have also done this
I don't think he was, but it is certainly the one I thought of.
7 years until I can buy some immortality? I'm gonna start saving up right now.
😂😂😂
YAY! I was so disappointed with how short that other clip was. Am so happy to see there was more to this conversation. Lol. :D
Id want to live for as long as id like. Once satisfied, let go and move to where ever we go after we pass away.
According to the bible. We damage our abilities by making this longevity choice. 🤷🏿♂️
I just realized this guy is the real life Doctor Octavius!
Immortality in the palm of my hand!
Loved this conversation. Thank you.
This is literally the most cerebral man I have ever seen on screen And Neil is still my hero but this man is like Dr Victor von Doom. Well, Real recognize real. Thank you Neil for bringing him on.
The research of seeing if humans can live forever is amazing and interesting. This was not boring to listen to like some other podcasts too. I learned about the human anatomy and more about scientifically facts. The more I listened and the more he talked the more fascinating it was to listen
Yea let me make sure of that only humans who cares about anyone else Beacuse no one else matters 😑we will just cause suffering for others 😑
@@jettmthebluedragon Not necessarily... In a world of abundance including time abundance, we can solve ours and all the other earth lifeforms' problems.
@@frank254100 like I said time is just a construct 😑and even so I know you humans all to well you don’t care about other animals problems you only care about your OWN problems 😑Beacuse humans ARE the the problem it’s the truth you point fingers at others insted of taking responsibility and blame 😑beacuse all you care about is your so called ego and pride 😑
In Buddhism life is described as a dream. In a dream, if someone steals from you it only matters if you don’t realize it’s a dream. If you fully realize it’s a dream then you can materialize whatever was stolen instantly before you. You could instantly make 1,000 copies.
Fascinating conversation. I am glad to hear positive speculation about the future. Thank you
Yea, but I'm wondering what he fell in that did that to his hair. 😆
Why I am fan of Ray. in my universe the glass is always half-FULL.
Fascinates me how Mr. Kurzwell ignores the self-destruction singularity "great filter," in all this predictive analysis.
@@Bluebloods7 Well what choice do we have but to be optimistic? We can't avoid it anyway, so why not speed it up and see what it brings.
@@fc-qr1cy Glass is not half full or half empty. Its half a cup of water, or about half if we dont measure it precisely.
This is such an important episode. Can you have Ray on again soon please
The obvious: we're going to live forever but we're not even close to curing baldness
Who needs hair when you become a machine! =)
Ha!!! 🤭
There is a cure, its called hair implants and it costs $1000s
@@oldschoolman1444 ohh really like you can’t eat no free will ? Are you sure 😐
I love your guest! He keeps cracking unintentional jokes!
He's the Yogi Berra of futurists.
I agree with Neil that we can’t play around with anything in the brain because we don’t yet understand it. We can vaguely map it out, but humans still can’t differentiate neurophysiological sensations more closely aligned with emotion from actual thinking processes
But AI will learn exponentially and map it very quickly
Neil, you let him off the hook on a couple of very well put questions by you. He almost sounds like a politician. Maybe I have to read the book to understand.
Who wants to live forever when it seems like we’re headed towards a dystopia.
Me.
Yes but as was said that is an illusion.
Very interesting... All I wish to add is that I feel whomever decides to partake of the fountain of youth, should also take on the responsibility to contribute to solving the long term problems to protect all life and humanity from any threats (e.g. global warming, asteroid deflection, migration to another solar system when our sun becomes red star etc). In this case I feel one is worthy for prolonged life.
StarTalk is all we need❤️🔥
Neil your sarcasm and negativity does not get any chance when talking to such a kind and skilled conversationalist like Ray Kurzweil.
When he says feel like you're there with the person, he's talking about haptic feedback eqiupment that you can buy today to use in VR simulations. It's early days yet for consumer grade hardware, but there are new developments happening all the time, from gloves, to vests, to full body suits, that provide sensory feedback as you interact with a virtual environment. There are over a hundred games on Steam that support haptic vests. Commercial grade equipment has full body suits, ranging in capability from sensing pressure to feeling heat or cold, but they are tens of thousands of dollars.
I can't wait for it to become so realistic that it is nearly indistinguishable from reality. Storming Omaha beach in a video game like that or dogfighting over the skies of Europe would be very interesting. The trick will be finding out how to do this without causing PTSD because of it being so real.
@@FleetAdmiralDouglas At least gamers will be fit then.
I’ve been playing video games since original Nintendo and have been fit my whole life. Strange stereotypes all over the place still?
And much farther out than that, tapping into our brain, we could simulate the senses experienced in being there. The sights the smells, touching and holding someone could be transmitted to our brains, bypassing our stimulus receptors in the nervous system. The Matrix level plug in.
@@lukeskydropper You haven't been playing enough video games then. I always considered myself to be a fit gamer, but then I meet some real gamers, and realized I am more like a gamer light.
Thanks!
"I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave." Hal, Space Odyssey,2001
I liked the way you described the fact, people are concerned we are getting worse while it gets better (according to data presented in Ray`s book) which drives decline of population this for some reason it relates to "Behavioral sink". If we take all the dangers out of population and provide infinite resources it has unexpectedly negative impact on species going forward, so the conclusion is that we all need predators to fight against and constant worry about resources 🤨. Awesome interview!
If there’s no duality in our reality, things become meaningless. If this will or (is happening), it will 100 percent create a living simulation. Which we are already living in to a certain degree in nature. I’ve often thought this was going to be the natural evolution of our species. This will come at the expense of our individuality and create a readable feed that not only can be hacked but can be altered. No privacy, no secrets, we essentially become Borg in a sense.
Loved seeing Neil deGrasse Tyson on the Theo Von podcast very fun entertaining episode.
That was a fun time!
Dr. Tyson this is my favorite StarTalk program to date.
man i love your content ever since i seen you on the cosmos tv series youve had me hooked i got to say you are always peaking my intrest still even today
Piquing not peaking and not peeking.
@@ZeroOskul correcting yourself again I see
@@thatoneguy6233 No, I was correcting @blacktop gaming.
You do understand that I replied to OP but am not OP, right?
@@ZeroOskul yeah, that's you
@@thatoneguy6233 No, I'm zerooskul. I am a very real and very different person from OP.
My avatar shows my logo as "FreeLans Filmz", I am not @blacktop gaming and have no association with that person, group, or organization.
I am a world-record-holding vintage gamer--primarily vintage handhelds--a journalist, an essayist, a fiction author, and an animator.
My profile goes back to 2006.
I don't use dummy accounts and if I did I wouldn't make posts with incorrect grammar on one account just to correct their grammar in comments from another account, that would be a very unsound behavior, like accusing people of pretending to be other people and correcting their grammar in public comments.
I am this person, I am over here.
I am not that person, group, or organization and I know nothing about them except that they have mediocre grammar.
Reasons why I hesitate to live forever...
1- If not dying from natural causes, that leaves you with accidental or intentional death by some other means.
2- They already dish out multiple life sentences. Imagine being able to be conscious and alive forever, but imprisoned.
3- It may destroy the essence of our lives as we know it. This show doesn't go on forever and that does something to our motivation and sense of urgency.
If anyone is worried about dying from unnatural causes then I can see how someone could be hesitant. But that would be more so paranoia.
Can someone avoid committing a crime? That definitely can be done.
living forever will just give us a chance to Transend our mortal coils. if living forever was possible why not Transend to the unlimited power of the stars. people never think if one thing was possible why couldn't the other thing be possible you will live long enough to find the way
Thank you being one of the few with a sense of reason. Even Neil himself once used to say "there is an urgency to live, knowing that I will one day die. All of this is significant, *because* it is not infinite"
1. You are not creative with this. Whatever allows for biological "immortality" will also allow us to improve our hardiness.
2. You then also have enough time to repent, prove your worth and get a lesser sentence. Also, it concerns me this is what you are worrying about haha. Just a joke, but what are you planning on doing?
3. I believe that we will be able to achieve all these things and more, and it will absolutely destroy the essence of life.
Ever since I watched Ghost in the Shell when I was 13 I wanted to be a cyborg and many years later I still do. I think it is really cool and fascinating. The only big problem with any tech or really any thing today is that it's all about profit and I can 100% see a company not meeting its yearly expectations secretly turning my brain in a crypto mining rig to cover their losses. For me to put any such system in my brain both the software and hardware would have to be completely open source and the system would have to be designed so that it can run most functionality while not connected to any network.
90% of the medical industries will be gone... 😆
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Don’t merge with the beast
@@MMAJOEY69 it is the final mark of the beast, yes. People are possessed by the beast. Elon is transhumanist and that is the next technology advancement.
Welcome to section9… we will be sending a limo to pick you up, very soon
He said we'd pass the Turing Test by 2029, and at the recency of ChatGPT and all the other AI-related stuff that's been made PUBLIC, I wholeheartedly believe him and am slightly terrified. The amount of US President AI voice memes I've seen is insane and they keep getting better.
if your brain is connected to the cloud and all of your thinking and thoughts are connected to a cloud that means they can literally control and monitor our thoughts. and what about our personalities or consciousness?
That's exactly what I was thinking 😂
Not just that. If we are also gonna head into a global communist state, if you have thought processes that doesn't follow the authorities, they can instantly execute you.
Its creepy! I think I'll pass! 😲
8:00 - 13:00 there is actually game called Soma that tangels this segment. In it hero (player character), upload himself into cloud and he wakes up under the sea in the body of the robot. So he goes on a adventure and reveals mystery of why, when and how. So eventually he uploads him into a another robot that can go deeper and at the bottom he uploads his mind one more time into a space rocket where he lives in virtual reality. Now here is the catch of the game. All of his other selfs are inside of those robots are him and alive too, because during upload process he copied his mind to another robot and to virtual reality, so by the end of the game there is 3 of him alive. Now imagine if those robots would meet each other.
Considering the aliens running the simulation mentioned at the end of the video, what if the simulation is a video game and the goal is to see how fast your civilization reaches the singularity, after which the game ends?
But time is relative...lol
@@brandonsmith1838 They are measuring time from there point of view, or maybe they don't even have time, time arrow only take place in our universe, not outside, and the theory doesn't apply ww
26:34 I love that just want to live until tomorrow and then after tomorrow within the day after that. Well when we have one extra year of life expectancy for every year that goes by well then that tomorrow could turn into indefinitely.
I have the impression NDT doesn't take Ray's predictions very seriously and is dismissive of the whole singularity concept. I can't blame his healthy skepticism but it is nice to hear about imminent technological advances improving the quality of life for the general public, even if the prediction may be exaggerated.
Wow. Just a great exchange. Thank you both.
Ray would make a good movie villain
He IS a villain.
He would make a good hair club for men spokesperson.
@@3hijos5nietos He's a villain for what?
He's pointing out the obvious course technology will take.
He might be off by a decade or even a century but it's inevitable that humanity will merge with technology.
The movie transcendence is as close as ur gonna get 😂
Actually, he's the hero of this story. Without him, the world would have less information about the exponential growth of technology and the massive ways it's going to reshape our lives for the better.
I used to think he was warning us about the singularity now it sounds like hes getting us hyped up for it.
Theyre already doing all this. Its a now type of deal not future.
Neural backups by 2030 is more than a bit.... optimistic... imho.
we will have flying cars by 1950
Look at IBM's new optical circuits. It may not be so crazy after all.
@@Tarry_Plaguer It's not really a matter of faster computers, tho that certainly helps, of course. We're only just beginning to understand how memories are stored and accessed, and we still have no real understanding of what's involved in the formation of human consciousness. At this point, I'd almost wager we know more about the Challenger Deep than we do our own brains hehe!
Sure, there's some great research happening at the moment to answer all those questions -- but unless there's some seriously low-key high-end projects going on under the radar, I sincerely doubt we'll have mastered any of that in the next 8 years. If he had said a date like 2080, 2122, or something a bit further off, I could see it... but 2030? Yeah, no.
@@olencone4005 I think it is most likely going to be a who wants it and for what reason type of advancement. We already have a plethora of japanese anime and sci-fi movies that are flooding the public consciousness with ideas of connecting to the web through a headset. Of having sensory feedback in games. This outpouring is causing a bunch of ambitious projects to understand ways to non invasively access the human brain and to decipher the electrical impulses that the brain creates. Then to use this for bio-feedback. It is true that 8 years might seem like a short period, but the thing is that just one group somewhere needs to make a breakthrough and the whole market will instantly flood into that. The market is PROFITABLE. Whoever makes that breakthrough will be rich, and money... Well money makes the world go round. If we get a big company to seriously want this, say Sega, or a social media platform like Meta Platforms (Facebook) of which Oculus VR was a division. I'm not saying it can't happen. At least not in some sort of limited way. Mapping of the whole brain and consciousness, probably not, but some sort of sensory feedback and immersion into a CG environment. Maybe. And once that dam breaks... Eight years? No. Twenty years? Not saying it's impossible. Thirty years? It wouldn't surprise me.
@@Tarry_Plaguer The current batch of brain-computer interfaces essentially rely on nerve signals to trigger a response on the computer. The user "trains" the software by doing or thinking of doing a specific task... the headset then registers the brain's neurological response to signals from the nervous system that correspond to that task, and then sends the signal to the computer. It's very basic -- definitely a field I expect to hear some great announcements from at some point in the near future tho!
But there's a huge gap between "this signal means to click the mouse" and what is essentially recording "you" onto a digital storage device, letting you or others flip your your memories, dreams, and experiences like we would skip around on the timeline of a video, or flip through the chapters of an old book.
I can totally see the former within 8 years, albeit still a bit rough and limited in capabilities, but I just don't see the latter until well into this century, if not the next. That's a HUGE jump in both capabilities and technical knowledge, almost like going from Kitty Hawk directly to a Space Shuttle... it's gonna take some some time for that to happen, some trial and error to see how things work, some crude early versions and dead-ends to fine-tune the design -- just like it did with that Shuttle.
Neil, your question at 30:30, airplanes are going the same speed as 50 years ago because 720mph sonic booms disturb people so it was outlawed to go more than 700mph. My car can do well over 75mph but that's outlawed too.
Dr. DeGrasse-Tyson, a time will come where we achieve “medical immortality”; a time when there will be no medical reason for a person to die.
This man said he has patents ... science is so advanced and people really don't believe it ...
The more i hear these futuristic ideas to extend our lifes, the more i embrace my mortality.
I reached the end point with this. I realized that we will definitely achieve this in the coming decades. But then I realized, that I would become very interested in what happens after I die. Maybe it's not as bad as it looks like.
@@julius43461 bad gamble.
Neal, the brain synapse structure is complicated and more important, specific to every individual. But it is very slow compared to the computer signal.
This means that it's a perfect starting for machine learning technology already existing.
The future is that every human will start with a basic ML set that will allow us to control the new cyborg like part of our body. But then it will run and rerun machine learning to adapt itself to our brain structure. Much like a baby becoming an adult.
This was actually a very fascinating and informative interview. Ray, really won me over with his knowledge and vision. I just want to know when the fully functional A.I. robots will be available with a great personality, and that look and feel exactly like Kat Winnick? He sort of hinted at it a few times. I want to know more about that one, LOL, LOL. She likes what you like, she likes to go where you like to go for fun, never has a headache, she even pays for the first date. C'mon scientists, bring that one. I'm pulling for ya.
If you want the 3rd layer of your intelligence to be in the form of Kat Winnick, speaking to it will be a way less efficient form of communication with it than having her your thoughts, at which point the cloud intelligence being Kat Winnick or somebody else will probably have little meaning.
But if you want to have an obedient doll that looks like her that is indistinguishable from real her, that'll happen in the 2030s by Ray's estimations. But keep in mind, you'll probably not be able to do that because of laws/regulations and license agreement rules. But I'm sure there'll be ways to create something like that in more shady ways, like piracy or the Dark Web for example. Or you'll be able to create her in a hyper-realistic dream thanks to your brain enhancers, so you won't have to license anything from anybody or break any laws as you will be able to argue in court that you're only puppeteering an imaginary person with your own mind without taking anybody else's (be it cloud hyperintelligence or Kat Winnick's actual 'cracked' consciousness copy that you'll theoretically be able to download from the internet), and recreating her appearance with your own imagination. But the company that you purchased your brain enhancer from will probably know what you're doing with it (if we continue to not have complete privacy like a of today and we continue to be data mines for them or if there are encryption backdoors for the government to get into your brain in case there's evidence on the internet of you doing shady things from your IP address or location) and not allow that either.
Futurama definitely predicted the Robosexuals…
Sooo Greatful for New content with Ray Kurzweil 🦅🧬☯️♾️⛵🐬🌏🥰
I am wondering how this could have implications with mental illness. I mean like BPD, OCD, ADHD, or Depression. The triggering how the chemical receptors in the brain, let alone the hormones in the body. I think that could be a great advisement if we could have it supported by high inscription. Interesting
I am a young person with those views, thank you for a positive view it's refreshing!
What a good point. 1900 we didn't really have movies at all..... 2022 and we have VR headsets that literally put us inside the video.... by the time I'm 80.... jesus.... the things we will have invented.
there will still be raid: shadow legends and established titles advertisements
@@felicityc unfortunately
how about a little less of man's inhumanity to man? Wouldn't THAT be a development worth waiting for...
@@davidherz9968 that would be nice
I don't agree with everything the guest said, but this was one of the more interesting interviews. Lots of fun.
This video was hard to watch. I fundamentally understand what this discussion was about. But the actual listening was like listening to three drunk people. Wow. I need a cup of coffee now.
Yep. This Ray guy is like your dumb mate who heard a stat about something crazy on Joe Rogan podcast and ignores reality because the stats say so.
Everything is always cool with Kurzweil.
Many things don't seem to be cool for many years now with ND Tyson with respect sir.
I'm so down for the singularity.
Always great to hear from Kurzweil
I read the Age of Spiritual Machines when it first came out and he clearly said the singularity would be in 2020 not 2029. Saying he said 2029 in that book is a straight up lie.
He had it revised in 2020 😳
In the Age of Spiritual Machines, I thought Kurweil predicted that Moore's Law would end in 2020. But I'm no expert on the terms or their differences or similarities.
Yes the interview has flags. He's pushing a narrative on society to get AI be very careful. Our human bodies are capable of more than humans even know!
Moore's law says "roughly every two years, the number of transistors on microchips will double". So when we say moore's law has ended, we are saying, the concentration of transistors is nearing its limits. But concentration of transistors is just but one factor in the capabilities of chips. The next obvious factor is size, we could just increase the total amount of transistors and that's basically infinite.
And other thing: according to United Nations and other international organizations, poverty in the world is increasing. I wish to know how he has a chart saying that is less poverty now than in previous years or decades. Or maybe I misunderstood the chart
He addressed this, it's media fearmongering
It’s a great blessing to be human. People just don’t understand what their system is capable of.
I want to live forever please.
No you wouldn't. Forever is a pretty long time.
@@davidmccarthy6061 and? You say that like if having a lot of time was a bad thing.
@@justwannabehappy6735 But forever? Never dying? Youd live in a mindless loop until everything is destroyed
@@yourunclejohn984 who said that everything had to be destroyed? I believe in the big bounce theory.
@@justwannabehappy6735 It's the nature of creation, it could be wrong since we know virtually nothing about the universe, but that's the most "accurate" thing we've come up with from our observations and simulations
When man learns of the power of thought force he will truly make extraordinary advances in development and technology. Thought force is energy, energy is matter, all is one great mind. This is why monks meditate. If you master the mind you master all forces. Because all is the mind. All are thought forces.
So I’m wondering if you could connect the brain with AI would you be able to comprehend all this new information? Just curious because having a learning disability makes thing harder to understand so hoping this would help. 🤷🏻♂️
I doubt so. It's like when you make a google search. You can find information, but not necessarily understand it.
In the future we'll have personalized AI that will function very much like Jarvis, but even better than you can imagine. The progress currently being made in AI is amazing and I am happy to be at the beginning of something great.
@@justwannabehappy6735 Google search is a rudimentary function. A carrot doesn't make a dish, but you combine it with other ingredients and you get a full meal. A mapping of the majority of human creations on the internet (google's primary function), mixed with an intelligence which can comprehend and create complex concepts, all at speeds we could never hope to achieve organically....
Perhaps even an AI-driven procedure that could analyze and mechanically or organically "re-wire" your neural pathways to overcome whatever the specific disability is?
I'd give more than money for that...
If i can replace every part of my body into robotics, I'm in... 😁👍
The problem is, (beware long explaination)
If we can replace every limbs/organs in our body one by one and it works perfectly by replicating the functions of the replaced limbs/organs.
(eg. Robotic arm complete with a perfect nerve system, makes it feels like your actual arm but it's 🤟 now)
When you replace your whole body (include the brain) at what point do we stop become Human?
If you can do all of that with the perfect replication that you mention, what's so great about being human?
I've been thinking that the secret to interstellar travel may simply be cracking the aging problem. Who needs FTL or wormholes? Once we have tech advanced enough to do that, it seems like just another very small step to develop true "hibernation pods" as seen in countless sci fi movies. At that point, even if you're travelling at an extremely small fraction of the speed of light, you can just sleep for thousands of years without aging (or perhaps stay awake playing around in VR) until you arrive at the destination star.
if we cure aging then you wou;dnt even need to upload your brain or anything. You just chill playing minecraft until you get to the new star system lol
You can volunteer to go first! =)
@@AdonisGaming93 playing minecraft for 1000s of years not gonna happen you'll be different person by the time you arrive at your destination. Hibernation is more plausible
@@Nanohamage sure I'll be a different person. I'll be on Elden Ring by then
Scientists are on the verge of figuring out how to reverse aging, and its on the same timeline as Kurzweil is claiming for his idea. I think most people would vastly prefer true rejuvenation than having their brains "uploaded" and an AI-version experience life for them. I'm not so vain that I think it overwhelmingly important that a computer-generated version of my personality go on when I die.
I think the "singularity" will come about because we'll develop the ability to reverse aging & inflammation in the human brain. Who knows what our brains will be able to do if they thrive at full capacity and build new connections for decades beyond what they could before?
Ray is the most creepiest dude ever. He's like something out of a surreal movie. Could he have already up loaded himself into a computer? Is he talking from inside a computer?
Hmmm, experimenting on people held captive in his basement creepy vibe. =)
forget ohio final boss... Ray could be the world's final boss... 😆
@@oldschoolman1444 to be honest, he does look like Michael Ermintrout from breaking bad…the dead eyes and lack of deeper emotion… yikes
Have to love AI!
It does seem like age is getting the better of him. He still has great thoughts but is slower than I remember.
Really loves how Ray's mind works. And I think he is mostly right.
I do not want immortality even if it was possible for everyone I know and love.
Okay
Nothing terrifies me more than the idea of living forever. How could that ever be a good thing? Anyone who says they want to is telling me they haven't actually pondered the idea.
I can live an extra 400-500 years easy
Does that chart account foe the inflation of the dollar? If not then the growth would flatten out wouldn't it?
Look up constant dollar 😉
Honestly when first reading about his comments on VR I was super sceptical. "How could VR possibly compare to the real thing? It's not real". But honestly, the more I experience of reality, the more I see his point. I was very isolated for a large part of my life so I always hyped up the real world. Now I'm actually experiencing it and honestly it's just the same. The only "real things" are all internal, nothing external really makes a difference. The only thing which affects me is perceived environment, but the difference between real and virtual (assuming full realisation of the tech) is arbitrary, except in virtual you have control, and in real you don't.
That's not to say that the real world should be neglected, but that perhaps we put far more of an emphasis on it than we ought to as a result of our nurturing, in a similar way that some people will seem to defend ageing.
You might like reading about the work of Donald D. Hoffman. Some of what you mention is touched upon in his books and his research. He has a wikipedia page too, so you can start with a clean search and go from there.
The thought of living forever is tormenting.
To others it’s good but that’s only Beacuse they had a good life 😑if they had a HORRIBLE life I bet they would not say those things 😑that’s why I have realized life is a blessing….and curse 😑
depends on what you do with it
how short sighted. You will be able to opt out at any time
@@jettmthebluedragon life is only a curse if you decide that it is.
@@justwannabehappy6735 no it’s not 😑maybe that’s how you see it but I would say otherwise and I respect your opinion but saying your opinion is true is false beacuse for something to be truth it has to work for everyone 😑and life is NOT just a curse it’s also a blessing 😐that’s what I’m saying it’s not black or white it’s gray 😐
I would love to be involved in experiments that measured brain activity during a spiritual experience (during the deepest sleep), so we can map different brains and see if a pattern emerges. Especially with people who have other worldly experiences…
Not so sure about these claims. A lot of this sounds similar to the Venus Project in terms of optimism and a disregard for the social/trust implications of things like... uploading a mind to the 'cloud'. I hate uploading my documents to the cloud because it exposes them to loss in an uncontrolled way. My mind? Brain? Even just a record? To whose cloud? Who operates it?
Our networking systems and trust across these networks (especially with geopolitical concerns) means that, sure, perhaps we could do it, and perhaps we should do it, but there are reasons why we can't have nice things
I agree fully with this. I'd rather have a smart phone than uploading any of my being onto the internet. I'd like to live for hundreds of years, but that'll have to be through biological means because I don't trust machines can keep me as me. What I mean is, having an artificial brain with my perfect personality etc makes me immortal, but I don't trust that my conciousness will follow it, no matter what way it's made. So the only option is to find a biological way for my specific brain to keep on living forever.
Love this video and your talk. But not to be rude but do he use a tupee?
I have been alive for a hundred years and i still got at least another hundred and fifty so sure anythings possible
FALSE 😑you have NOT Ben alive for hundreds of years 😑go watch mythbusters anything is NOT possible 😑you can’t just do whatever you want 😑I’m sorry but that’s just how the universe and Mother Nature works 😑the only way it’s possible is in the mind the mind of imagination a FALSE reality a matrix 😑so anything is NOT possible I’m sorry buts that’s just the cold hard truth 😑
same
I just want to see how the universe will end, i want to live until the universe runs out of time.
We will be able to create pocket universes at that point and escape the heat death.
I don't think it is actually possible
The human brain has a huge storage capacity, but it is finite
So even if you could stop aging, you would eventually have the operating system crash due to lack of memory
Uploading your mind to a computer isn't really viable either. Since it would just be a copy of your thoughts, but not really you
Unless, we could make some leap to where we could exist as pure consciousness without physical form immortality really isn't possible
@@MacNif damn it’s just his opinion and logic 💀
Exactly in fact we could be repeating our lives and we don’t know it 😐as you said the brain does not have unlimited storage you can’t have a baby with a brain that of an adult 😑
I work in the mental health field. If there isn’t enough work for people, then some of the people themselves will be the work for others. Which I think is probably good; humans trying to improve the lives of other humans is the essence of work.
I’d prefer everyone to do their part
Nano bots smart enough to back up your brain would be start enough to evolve on their own, and self replicate. Anyone who has watched star trek know how that end, for the those who haven't, it isn't good.
It is fiction. All technology can be used for good or evil. The good outweighs the bad for the most part.
@@mikewebb1514 once a technology reaches a certain level it doesn't take much "bad" to disproportionately affect the good.
I've observed that when we are young we talk faster than we think and as we age we think faster than we talk.
This guy is really crazy, like for real!
Could you use nano bots to activate or deactivate neurons at will? Maybe they can be built to fit into the neurons key to activate it. That would be amazing if you could just set your mood on a dial. Or maybe project images directly into your visual cortex. I could see how the brain and the internet could work in unison someday.