I'm new to recording/mixing, and never mastered before. I followed along and generally did what you did with a song I've been working/learning on and WOW! What a difference! Thank you, I just leveled up a little bit in my journey.
Love this approach. Over thinking really does melt your brain to the point you lose track of what your really trying to get out of the song. Great work!
Yours is way better. Really good for 5 minutes. Removal of the harsh 2-3K freqs, boosting the 10K's or so and a little stereo enhancement was all it needed.
Hey Bobby, thanks for the awesome vid. I've got a question about the part where you cut the lows on the sides. I've seen this method a couple of times before in other videos. I've seen engineers cut the side lows below 100 Hz, sometimes even around 200 Hz. I have always wondered how mastering engineers get away with that when there are panned toms in the song. My low toms are at around 60 Hz. How do you take circumstances like that in account? I get the message of your video but how can I quickly decide where to place the cut when I haven't even time to listen through more parts of the song to see if it has a negative effect on a specific part? Also, the side low cut could be just an example. So, shouldn't the whole song be taken into account for every processing move, ideally?
You bring up some very great points. Thanks for taking the time to mention these because they are important. By all means, mastering a song in 5 minutes should pretty much only be done as an exercise. The only songs I've actually finished in 5 minutes legitimately didn't need anything done to them except for setting the right output level with maybe one slight EQ tweak. Concerning your excellent point about cutting lows from the sides: When removing the freq from the sides, we are getting rid of the uncorrelated bass frequencies. Unless the toms are hard panned, you will have some correlated bass that remains after the cut from the toms. That will help retain some of the bass in a pleasant and focused way. Also, Not all the bass from the toms will be removed because of the filter slope. In my experience this tends to sound fine at 12 db/oct, but to your point, the sub freq will be attenuated compared to if you didn't do the side HPF adjustment. This is something that is dependent on the song. In this example the guitar cab resonance was more distracting for me than the low energy in the toms. Probably the best solution would be to set up an automation that adjusts the cutoff frequency. That way you could automate in more low energy for a more aggressive tom fill if you want. There are some plugins that have a "trick" that will fold that uncorrelated bass info back to the center channel to completely avoid this issue all together, but they do other things to the audio that i don't exactly love. But this is a very specific instance. A side HPF at 200 hz like you describe would be a very extreme case, and I would be skeptical of that decision. But perhaps there was something fundamentally wrong with the song and that decision was made to correct a severe problem that couldn't be fixed by revisiting the mix. At the end of the day, we just need to trust our ears after accounting for our innate biases. Just my thoughts. Thanks again for the comment. Hope this gives some more insight and answers some of your questions. Cheers 🙂🤘
There wasn't a huge difference, but as the doc said, the master is not as pinching to the ear around the 3-5k range. The low-mids sound much fuller as well.
I clicked subscribed vefore you mentioned it, cause the the stuff you were saying up to that point all happened to me, ear fatique, and scewing up ok mixes, stuck in a visious circle, I recently started breaking out of it, after years.
I just purchased your course, I hope it will help, I have purchased other courses and there wasn't much change in my mixing abilities. I'm terrible still, my vocals in particular are super harsh and rough sounding.
Yep! But I would want feedback from the band for sure. I would also realistically spend a little more time than this and check some reference mixes that I know sound great to make sure I'm stylistically "in the ballpark" for the genre and make any final tweaks. But if you are mastering a song for more than about 15/20 minutes, you are getting into danger territory and will probably start suffering from ear fatigue.
There was a while when my hosting servers got migrated that many people were unable to get the PDFs. That has been fixed and should work as expected now. If you still can't download the PDFs from those emails, just send me an email (its in the description). I'll send you whatever guide you want directly to you to make sure you get it this time! Sorry about that (technology sucks sometimes 😅)
The volume matching is so that you can objectively decide if the processing you did actually sounds better than the unmastered version. If it does sound better at the matched level, that's when you return the volume back to the recommended level for final delivery. Thanks for pointing this out - I don't think it was completely clear in the video. Cheers!
Greg did the mix and master on our album, great job…..we just have to get a new vocalist and get to playing live again before the label will release it. 🤘🏻🤘🏻
I would spend more time. The low end isn't sitting right, and you can hear the side-effects of the side-only HPF in the guitars. Actually, I would use that as a good example of why not to use minimum phase filters for m/s eq (that's what natural phase in pro-q3 means; zero latency means minimum phase with cramping). There's something else in the low mids that is bugging me, and I'm really not sold on the details of your stereo HPF. It doesn't have the thump I expect from that style. Still...it's an impressive first pass for five minutes.
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I'm new to recording/mixing, and never mastered before. I followed along and generally did what you did with a song I've been working/learning on and WOW! What a difference! Thank you, I just leveled up a little bit in my journey.
Very cool video Bobby! Really enjoyed it, downloading the guide now!
Thanks so much Warren! Thanks for all the great videos over the years. You've been an inspiration for me 🤘
@@RaytownProductions please do more videos like this but not in 5 minutes but 20
Love this approach. Over thinking really does melt your brain to the point you lose track of what your really trying to get out of the song. Great work!
THANK YOU SO MUCH I GOTTA SEND A SONG IN EXACTLY 22 MINUTES YOU SAVED ME
This was great, thank you!
The skills are evident
Super impressive! Loved this video 👍
I think the song is amazing. Thats what i think
Huge sound...! I usually get good mixes and masters when I fly fast, no room for overthinking.
Awesome video. I always wonder about what I should use in the master bus. Good shit, dude
Excellent video. I've always struggled with the master.
damn that was quick and really impressive
Incredible result!
What LUFS-I you go for?
Thanks!
Question: Doesn't Pro-L use a clipper internally?
great information, what software is this?.. this is cool, thanks..
Yours is way better. Really good for 5 minutes. Removal of the harsh 2-3K freqs, boosting the 10K's or so and a little stereo enhancement was all it needed.
Love this!
I don’t recognize the daw is this reaper?
Hey Bobby, thanks for the awesome vid.
I've got a question about the part where you cut the lows on the sides. I've seen this method a couple of times before in other videos. I've seen engineers cut the side lows below 100 Hz, sometimes even around 200 Hz. I have always wondered how mastering engineers get away with that when there are panned toms in the song. My low toms are at around 60 Hz. How do you take circumstances like that in account?
I get the message of your video but how can I quickly decide where to place the cut when I haven't even time to listen through more parts of the song to see if it has a negative effect on a specific part? Also, the side low cut could be just an example. So, shouldn't the whole song be taken into account for every processing move, ideally?
You bring up some very great points. Thanks for taking the time to mention these because they are important.
By all means, mastering a song in 5 minutes should pretty much only be done as an exercise. The only songs I've actually finished in 5 minutes legitimately didn't need anything done to them except for setting the right output level with maybe one slight EQ tweak.
Concerning your excellent point about cutting lows from the sides:
When removing the freq from the sides, we are getting rid of the uncorrelated bass frequencies. Unless the toms are hard panned, you will have some correlated bass that remains after the cut from the toms. That will help retain some of the bass in a pleasant and focused way.
Also, Not all the bass from the toms will be removed because of the filter slope. In my experience this tends to sound fine at 12 db/oct, but to your point, the sub freq will be attenuated compared to if you didn't do the side HPF adjustment. This is something that is dependent on the song. In this example the guitar cab resonance was more distracting for me than the low energy in the toms. Probably the best solution would be to set up an automation that adjusts the cutoff frequency. That way you could automate in more low energy for a more aggressive tom fill if you want.
There are some plugins that have a "trick" that will fold that uncorrelated bass info back to the center channel to completely avoid this issue all together, but they do other things to the audio that i don't exactly love. But this is a very specific instance.
A side HPF at 200 hz like you describe would be a very extreme case, and I would be skeptical of that decision. But perhaps there was something fundamentally wrong with the song and that decision was made to correct a severe problem that couldn't be fixed by revisiting the mix. At the end of the day, we just need to trust our ears after accounting for our innate biases. Just my thoughts.
Thanks again for the comment. Hope this gives some more insight and answers some of your questions. Cheers 🙂🤘
@@RaytownProductions Definitely answers all my questions. Thanks a lot!
Good job! man, you're a genius👍
The real comparison was at the end where both were on the same volume level. Not a big difference, have to say.
There wasn't a huge difference, but as the doc said, the master is not as pinching to the ear around the 3-5k range. The low-mids sound much fuller as well.
Good stuff!
I clicked subscribed vefore you mentioned it, cause the the stuff you were saying up to that point all happened to me, ear fatique, and scewing up ok mixes, stuck in a visious circle, I recently started breaking out of it, after years.
Amazing! You will love my channel. Happy to be your guide on your musical journey 🤘
Great sounding band, who are they?
signals origin
Hi! Where can we listen to that song ?
I usually tag the artist in the description. Try checking there!
ruclips.net/video/Tmo7Tbfzdhs/видео.html
I just purchased your course, I hope it will help, I have purchased other courses and there wasn't much change in my mixing abilities. I'm terrible still, my vocals in particular are super harsh and rough sounding.
brilliant!!!!!
Very good..Thanks
After this, u just render then finish?
Yep! But I would want feedback from the band for sure. I would also realistically spend a little more time than this and check some reference mixes that I know sound great to make sure I'm stylistically "in the ballpark" for the genre and make any final tweaks. But if you are mastering a song for more than about 15/20 minutes, you are getting into danger territory and will probably start suffering from ear fatigue.
A1 has a nice stereo tool, just in case you haven't tried it yet ;)
Nice job, now do it with a genre you are not familiar with, hehehe :)
Nirvana's Nevermind was mastered in a single afternoon on analogue
Idk if you know this but your free pdfs don't send I've tried getting atleast 10 of the ones you've put out and they never show up
There was a while when my hosting servers got migrated that many people were unable to get the PDFs. That has been fixed and should work as expected now. If you still can't download the PDFs from those emails, just send me an email (its in the description). I'll send you whatever guide you want directly to you to make sure you get it this time! Sorry about that (technology sucks sometimes 😅)
@@RaytownProductions I greatly appreciate it! I'm about to email you that you for being a good teacher!
Mastering based on listening - never catch on 🙂
Your master is supposed to be louder... you don't volume match.
The volume matching is so that you can objectively decide if the processing you did actually sounds better than the unmastered version. If it does sound better at the matched level, that's when you return the volume back to the recommended level for final delivery.
Thanks for pointing this out - I don't think it was completely clear in the video. Cheers!
@@RaytownProductions I thought after I commented that that's what you meant. Good stuff
Greg did the mix and master on our album, great job…..we just have to get a new vocalist and get to playing live again before the label will release it.
🤘🏻🤘🏻
thought it was jonny sins on the thumbnail
I would spend more time. The low end isn't sitting right, and you can hear the side-effects of the side-only HPF in the guitars. Actually, I would use that as a good example of why not to use minimum phase filters for m/s eq (that's what natural phase in pro-q3 means; zero latency means minimum phase with cramping). There's something else in the low mids that is bugging me, and I'm really not sold on the details of your stereo HPF. It doesn't have the thump I expect from that style.
Still...it's an impressive first pass for five minutes.
Give me the same tools and five hours and I won't be anywhere close to this.
what shitty mastering. Nah kidding. Best rock/metal mixing channel on YT.
haha that case when unmastered version is a better one)))
Can't win em all 😉
Trap Please 🔥🔥🔥💯🙏🏽
Can definitely do this!
@@RaytownProductions that would be awesome 😎🔥🔥🔥