I was just about to comment that the most important thing they could do for their friend is pray for them, when I found this comment and I whole heartedly agree!!
Good video! I had many “real” experiences that I now see in a completely different perspective. It felt real because of the play on emotions. My beliefs was completely based on experience before, when that fell apart everything began to unravel and the deception revealed itself. Jesus is the way, the truth and the Life! ♥️
I love how you made the difference between having a real experience vs the source of that experience. It’s like when Saul goes to a medium to get information - it was a real experience but from an illegitimate source
@@ShastaOrange no guy told me. Read the Bible with a willing heart to learn. It doesn't happen immediately , but you will know eventually. Are you asking because you're curious, or are you asking because you're a Christianity hater?
@@ejc1956 You should read what Luther said about the Church & the pope. Have you ever bothered to read his "Table Talk?" Anyway, yes he was defined as a heretic and given ample time to un-reform himself, before he was ex-communicated. He went on and founded his own man-made "church'' ... stripped the Bible of 7+ books and dreamed-up his very own doctrines. Thanks to Luther, you and he are just one of 45000 different Protestant denoms. That doesn't mean you are a heretic, unless you knowingly remain in error.
I find the sound of rain on a tin roof quite soothing and relaxing. Thank you for today's video, I learn something every time I watch one of your videos. You are such a gifted educator. Your patience and kindness are quite evident. Have a great rest of the week!
Pointing them towards Chuck Missler's Khouse ministry may be helpful-or going through select teachings with them. He was a data guy and his passion was proving that all the "intellectual" evidence we can comprehend points to the God that is seen in the Bible. He demonstrates the veracity and authenticity of the Bible in a very intellectual approach.
I had odd experiences when meditating that i took to be past lives. They were more like dreams. But when i was saved it was mind blowingly real. There's no comparison in the quality of these two experiences.
That’s a good point. Most of my experiences in the new age were obscure “coincidences” or just odd occurrences that I definitely could have read new age stuff into. There were a handful of experienced through meditation that were odd, but still not complete feeling or even purposeful really. And then I don’t could experiences I had on drugs…..because well…..drugs are bad. Hahahahaha
I thoroughly agree with listening for the sole purpose of understanding. It’s a deep practice, it’s love. For many years in a Christian church, I thought I listened to understand. But was never holding the possibility that I could ever be wrong about or misinterpreting anything.
I’ve not read “The Four Agreements,” but a former employer used them to define appropriate workplace attitudes. As a Christian, without knowing the backstory, they seemed a good way to approach interactions with other people. Be impeccable with your words, don’t take things personally, don’t make assumptions, and do your best seem like good ways to be. And, in fact, implementing them in my life has definitely reduced unneeded angst in my life. But I think I must be missing something based on your video. Can you help me out?
I'm not her, but I recently heard about "The Four Agreements" too. I think that if you take it at face value it's helpful and it's been helpful for me. According to what I've read online about it, the author of the book takes it way too far and acts like the four agreements are the key to happiness in life. The author also seems to talk about how you're literally not supposed to take anything personally in almost a selfish attitude, kind of like not considering what happens if someone else is upset. So at face value, yes, it's helpful for me, but the author goes a lot deeper and that's where it becomes a problem in my opinion.
Yes, the book is popular in the therapy world. I haven't read it but as was mentioned, just things to do with attitude adjustment, etc, how we view things.
In my opinion you aren't missing anything. If you read a book and it helps you realize why it's better to watch what yousay, release negative worry and to do your best etc that is a blessing. I also read the book and it helped me love others better and love myself more gently. This book is not the Bible. It is not trying to compete with the Bible. Follow God and follow your heart! Much love!
I pray those who read this, read to the end as God put in my heart to share. I read the four agreements maybe in the early 90’s. It was a gift. I recall I disagreed with parts of it. But I can’t recall now what they were. I’m guessing it had to do with God the who, the universality of our souls. God is the one true almighty uncreated creator. God is the I AM. He said to Moses I AM THAT I AM. In Hebrew it implies He always was, is, and will be. Eternal sums it up. We inherited Adam’s sin. And in effect born spiritually dead. Jesus Christ (YASHUA HAMASHIACH) The messiah. Jesus came to replace the ineffective temple sacrifices for sins individually and one a year collectively. Ineffective because sacrifice had do be done every time a person sinned. Yashua came to present himself as the perfect sinless sacrifice, for our redemption. He died, she’d blood, buried, and rose from the dead. He has risen and that completed for all to have the right to being reborn spiritually in the Messiah. HE THAT BELIEVES ON JESUS’ REDEMPTION SHALL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. There is no religion or philosophy or anything like that that offers the truth. One God One way. We all have a choice. Remain spiritually dead or alive Alive is being part of GOD’s everlasting life in HEAVEN. Or remain spiritually dead and end up in a place of eternal pain and suffering. It is written: the wages of sin is death. Accepting the Messiah (Jesus Christ) is the way to eternal life. It is the only way to eternal life. I suggest reading the Bible and the key passage to my comment is chapter 3 in the gospel of John. My comment is so long now most won’t read it to the end.
This is so timely. I have SO many Christian friends who’ve seemingly been led down the garden path. Could you do more videos on how to talk to them? I do plan on talking to one friend about her embrace of Richard Rohr and Brenne Brown. But could you do a video about them and their awful ideas?
For whatever reason she didn’t mention that fact that Fr. Rohr is Catholic or even that he is a priest. I remember hearing his name before, he is a highly controversial character due to the fact that he does not seem to preach Catholic orthodoxy.
@@ccm3314 I think she has a real issue with the Catholic Church and tries to find ways to discredit it. I hope that in time she will be Confirmed in a year or two.
Rain on a tin roof ........... one of the most peaceful sounds ever! I love how you manage to put into coherent sentences things I've known but been unable to express with any intelligence. ....... Thank-you!
I wish I met your teachings/lectures in high school. Your talks help clarify a lot of various perspectives and “philosophies.” Thanks so much for posting!
Did anyone else find the video stopped at 7:15 (".....put that stone in that shoe")? I hang on to your every word Melissa (smile please). Thanks for this and all your videos. They are full of thought-provoking truth, delivered in a humble, funny, and a servant-hearted manner. Keep up the great work. You are certainly a means of God's grace in my life.
I am a probably a progressive, but I really like this video. Melissa is very clear and respectful, as always. I may check out that book she recommended.
My son had this book on his Christmas list…honestly, I was in a hurry shopping online & bought it. It was very inexpensive so I didn’t think much of it. Right after Christmas, my son asked for a gift receipt so he could return it. He didn’t mention why, but now I can guess why.
I don't agree with every aspect of this video, but I really, really enjoyed that very first statement that you keep with. "Seek to understand, and then to be a understood." Beautiful.
only :30 in and I relate. I had a friend who shared that she knew her late son was in heaven because... and then went on to list a handful of demonic haunting examples that she attributed to her late son and gave credit to him for doing them from heaven. it was a tough conversation, but biblical truth came out on top. Glory to God that she was rescued from the delusion.
@sarahdoanpeace3623 i don't he was being mean. I can understand how you came to that came to that conclusion. But to say that it was mean... I kind of disagree with that. I wouldn't see it as mean, even though it would be tough to digest that (it is harsh, but not mean). Because to be mean to someone is synonymous with being rude, or petty, or malicious. Based on the op's comment, it didn't sound like he was being mean. From what the OP said, his friend was _rescued_ from the delusions. It seems like he did this out of love.
Speaking as a Catholic... THANK YOU FOR CALLING Fr. RICHARD ROHR OUT. One of my best friends suffered so much in her spiritual/prayer life and in discerning Religious Life because of his nonsense, intellectually. After getting out of it, she even tried to call another Priest promoting his content on campus back to the right road. Thankfully for our new Bishop there's been positive changes in that regard, but yeah. Good video expose. 👍🏻 Love the rain.
One of the main things that you've said early on about spotting unbiblical teaching that stuck with me is the Bible PLUS or Jesus PLUS perspectives. Very illuminating. Thanks!
The truth is that the Tree of Life is our heritage, not the Tree of Separation. The Tree of Separation is also known as the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The bible shows the stark difference between the Garden of Eden on one end versus the all out religious battle in Revelations on the other end. Religion and the presumed knowledge of good vs. evil lead to separation. This separation is highlighted in various characters of increasing frequency until finally, one is separated from the entire planet. That is not love. Love of all is the path to connecting with one another and the one true God.
I opened up some spiritual doors I was attacked by demons for years it was so alluring. It’s not something I like to talk about because of how intense it was.
Most people dont know what they are talking about. Seeking to understand not only helps them understand themselves but it keeps you from jumping to conclusions based on the unintended messages in the words they say
Melissa, thank you. I thank you not just for your informative videos, but also for the gentle very Christ-like approach to so many things. I have people whom, doing as you do, who would be/were/are hostile to most other kinds of presentation/instruction stop and actually are willing to listen. Your gentle Ruth/Esther/Mary spirit (or that way Ruach Hakkodesh/Holy Spirit) has you present/convey things. (Hope how I put that doesn't sound "New Age-ish as I don't mean it so..) Also, as someone who had no problem at all seeing through the relativism of "Progressive" ideas, you are really going into the heart of how Biblical apologetics need to meet it all head on.
This was good stuff. You produce a lot of content (not saying too much), and i hope your resting well after your labors. "Its a marathon, not a sprint" as they say.
Your eye accessing is interesting to watch. Extremely sharp. I can see a trained therapist asking you, "Did someone or something in your past frightened you?" Anyway, you would make a great AI pattern in the future: [organic:, female, Single Reference- safety pattern 1, Fund. Middle Ages: KJV 1611], Fun to watch and eastly modded to 100% reference capability. Plus 41k views --most simping-- you could negotiate a merch deal as well with the Customer selecting various snide remarks and quips. Just great stuff.
I have a friend who thinks I need to come to her Charismatic/NAR church because they have have fresh revelation. Been there. Done that. How do I talk to this friend without damaging the friendship? I'd love to see a video on that.
@@NoName-rm1nvyou know, Christianity is a spiritual belief. If you’re not having spiritual experiences, you’re doing it wrong. Move any mountains lately?
Where in the Bible does it talk about gnostic beliefs? I read the Bible and I struggle to learn.....to get what you all on youtube get out of the Word. I read in context, I use commentaries and trusted people here on youtube John McArthur etc. Also, so much content in each epi and so many new words, (like you related today) religions/cults to keep up with it makes my head spin!! I often wonder what this will get us in Heaven and I thank God that there is no test.....way too much stuff to keep in my head LOL. Seems I can only manage barely past basics. But I love your channel and ones like Paul Washer, Justin Peters, Doreen Virtue etc. Thanks for sharing and maybe someone in the comments understands my comment and relates. Thanks much for sharing, Melissa😀
Oh! I thought Prolegomena had something to do with being in favor of LEGOs. 😅 Seriously. This is very good. Thank you clearly explaining all of this to your audience.
so good, I'm currently reading the universal Christ and makes a lot of good points totally fits the panentheism. The idea of the Christ and Jesus coming together in JesusChrist is interesting to say the least.
Thank you so much for this! Exactly what I've been looking for in terms of a friend. I'd like further suggestions on how to have a similar conversation with my husband.
I want to hear more about the spiritual experiences and how they are real but not true - is there another video about that? Love Melissa - so pertinent to my situation
Sadly when they become pastors they feel they are above anything you tell them. My pastor friend decided in the end that saved and unsaved will enter into the kingdom. He apparently wanted to sin all he wanted.
The answer is God is "I AM" the "alive and active" of the words of God do all the convincing. You do not need to use the "flesh" to convince the power of the words will do it for you.
OMG. This is a book a read before I got saved. I tried to apply its teachings and it worked a little bit. But I was ultimately dissatisfied because I felt like there was something more. Something that could satisfy my emptiness and bring me too peace. When I got saved, I completely forgot about this book.
No one ultimately got saved yet, because there is still a judgement to come, and if you are still alive on this planet then you have not finished the race yet.
Thanks Melissa for these videos. I’m running into some Christians speaking about fasting to release generational curses and opened doors from occult backgrounds. 😮 I’m saved by Christ’s grace so why should I fast to release curses or to close doors. Did Christ not do that when He saved me & revealed Himself to me? From my understanding I was bought with Christ’s blood. I will fast during different times as needed to focus more on the Lord, grow, humble myself, heal, & remove distractions, but where is this coming from generational curses, etc… ? I would appreciate if anyone could clarify this because I was once in new age and this is also sounding like something similar to some of those beliefs.
This is a wonderful video! The encouragement to listen well (to understand) as well as to ask intentional questions is incredibly important! Thank you, Melissa! Btw, the rain sounds beautiful! 💁🏻♀️♥️
I guess I’m not good at this. I have a friend who is now completely sold out to the progressive movement, posting articles from Rohr and others on FB. I can’t help myself challenging him when he says that since Jesus died for everyone, everyone, as in every single person who ever lived, will end up in heaven. Oh and there is no hell so nothing to be afraid of. I’ve told him that I’ll be in prayer for his soul. He calls me an “infernalist”.
I’m looking for the full version of this video it cut off abruptly and never did speak about the 4 agreements which I’m very interested in hearing Melissa speak on.
I was going to ask if you hadn't said something, but as a headphone user I could hear the rain. It's been raining here off and on all morning and I was starting to think I could hear it kicking up.
According to Wittgenstein, there is a difference between asserting a fact in the present and a fact in the past. Yes, you can objectively assert a fact in the present (as long as it doesn't require a judgement - e.g. "This is a good tasting apple"). However, once we try to assert a fact in the past, it's quite a different ballgame - as every historian will tell you. So, since nobody is alive that saw the Resurrection and we only have scriptures (that differ in their narrative) testifying about the Resurrection about 60 years after the fact, entertaining the "truth" about the Resurrection is a compelling exercise, but hardly one which truth value can be objectively be established.
Thank you for this video! I have a couple friends that are reading Rohr. Thank for recommending the book Relativism: Feet Firmly Planted in Mid-Air by Francis J. Beckwith
This is interesting. A few years ago, I was deeply attached to the Enneagram, but didn't get too involved with Rohr's writing. Mostly spent my time reading what other people had to say on the topic. Anyway, I never saw the Enneagram as being particularly spiritual. I saw it more as systematic introspection. And to be honest, it worked. Through the Enneagram, I discovered a few hidden sins I otherwise might not have noticed was there. So, I continued using it for a while, considering it as a sort of tool to help me examine myself as the Bible commands us to do. But if someone had told me all that stuff about Jesus sort of taking on God, I would've thought they were crazy. There's more I can say. But I'll stop here so I don't ramble on for too long.
Ugh! A heavy New-Age friend of mine just recommended this book, and they praised how life-changing it was for them. It was wholly Satanic. I prayed for my friend as I read the book. After, I told this friend the few basic life teachings which I appreciated in the book, and I thanked them for recommending it to me. But I also warned them about the serious errors and cleverly interwoven occultic teachings therein. I recommended that they read Gregory Koukl's book, "Relativism, Feet Firmly Planted In Mid-Air." I don't know if they will read it, or if they are interested in thinking logically, but that was my simple reply.
I have read The Four Agreements and on its face, surface level, it's not bad advice. If you read the preface and the author's notes etc, you see right away that it's a non Christian spiritual, ancestor worship type thing. I tried to read another of his books about his "ancestral spirit guide/vision quest" thingy and I couldn't get into it as is was just too weird and either New Agey, shamanistic, or a hallucination he had. It put me off.
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“Never underestimate prayer” ❤️🙏🏻
I was just about to comment that the most important thing they could do for their friend is pray for them, when I found this comment and I whole heartedly agree!!
😢❤. Jesus power ❤ Warning it is intense
Amen 🙏🏻
Why not?
Good video! I had many “real” experiences that I now see in a completely different perspective. It felt real because of the play on emotions. My beliefs was completely based on experience before, when that fell apart everything began to unravel and the deception revealed itself. Jesus is the way, the truth and the Life! ♥️
Well stated!! I totally understand and agree. I experienced same.
❤. Jesus power ❤ Warning it is intense 😢
I love how you made the difference between having a real experience vs the source of that experience. It’s like when Saul goes to a medium to get information - it was a real experience but from an illegitimate source
How do you know they're not both illegitimate?
@@ShastaOrangelegitimate points you to TRUTH
@@alohawhy How do you know what the truth is? Because legitimate guy told you so? But how do you know he's legitimate? You see the circular logic?
@@ShastaOrange no guy told me. Read the Bible with a willing heart to learn. It doesn't happen immediately , but you will know eventually. Are you asking because you're curious, or are you asking because you're a Christianity hater?
@@ShastaOrangedoes it comply with the Bible? Ask God to guide you in all things
Good video, Melissa. Richard Rohr is a now non-practicing Catholic priest, that has turned to heresy, much like Martin Luther and the other reformers.
I’m a Lutheran and resent you calling Martin Luther a heretic
@@ejc1956 You should read what Luther said about the Church & the pope. Have you ever bothered to read his "Table Talk?" Anyway, yes he was defined as a heretic and given ample time to un-reform himself, before he was ex-communicated. He went on and founded his own man-made "church'' ... stripped the Bible of 7+ books and dreamed-up his very own doctrines. Thanks to Luther, you and he are just one of 45000 different Protestant denoms.
That doesn't mean you are a heretic, unless you knowingly remain in error.
Yes, hallucinations, vivid dreams, and mental distress can certainly be "authentic".
I find the sound of rain on a tin roof quite soothing and relaxing. Thank you for today's video, I learn something every time I watch one of your videos. You are such a gifted educator. Your patience and kindness are quite evident. Have a great rest of the week!
Pointing them towards Chuck Missler's Khouse ministry may be helpful-or going through select teachings with them. He was a data guy and his passion was proving that all the "intellectual" evidence we can comprehend points to the God that is seen in the Bible. He demonstrates the veracity and authenticity of the Bible in a very intellectual approach.
I had odd experiences when meditating that i took to be past lives. They were more like dreams. But when i was saved it was mind blowingly real. There's no comparison in the quality of these two experiences.
That’s a good point. Most of my experiences in the new age were obscure “coincidences” or just odd occurrences that I definitely could have read new age stuff into.
There were a handful of experienced through meditation that were odd, but still not complete feeling or even purposeful really.
And then I don’t could experiences I had on drugs…..because well…..drugs are bad. Hahahahaha
@@Quartzknee drugs ? Are you born again?
@@Dross-s5n I think this was before he or she was born again.
I thoroughly agree with listening for the sole purpose of understanding.
It’s a deep practice, it’s love. For many years in a Christian church, I thought I listened to understand. But was never holding the possibility that I could ever be wrong about or misinterpreting anything.
In the time it took me to watch this video there were about 20 new likes and it just keeps increasing! Keep up the truth-filled content, Melissa!
I’ve not read “The Four Agreements,” but a former employer used them to define appropriate workplace attitudes. As a Christian, without knowing the backstory, they seemed a good way to approach interactions with other people. Be impeccable with your words, don’t take things personally, don’t make assumptions, and do your best seem like good ways to be. And, in fact, implementing them in my life has definitely reduced unneeded angst in my life. But I think I must be missing something based on your video. Can you help me out?
I'm not her, but I recently heard about "The Four Agreements" too. I think that if you take it at face value it's helpful and it's been helpful for me. According to what I've read online about it, the author of the book takes it way too far and acts like the four agreements are the key to happiness in life. The author also seems to talk about how you're literally not supposed to take anything personally in almost a selfish attitude, kind of like not considering what happens if someone else is upset. So at face value, yes, it's helpful for me, but the author goes a lot deeper and that's where it becomes a problem in my opinion.
Yes, the book is popular in the therapy world. I haven't read it but as was mentioned, just things to do with attitude adjustment, etc, how we view things.
In my opinion you aren't missing anything. If you read a book and it helps you realize why it's better to watch what yousay, release negative worry and to do your best etc that is a blessing. I also read the book and it helped me love others better and love myself more gently. This book is not the Bible. It is not trying to compete with the Bible.
Follow God and follow your heart! Much love!
I pray those who read this, read to the end as God put in my heart to share.
I read the four agreements maybe in the early 90’s. It was a gift.
I recall I disagreed with parts of it. But I can’t recall now what they were. I’m guessing it had to do with God the who, the universality of our souls.
God is the one true almighty uncreated creator. God is the I AM.
He said to Moses I AM THAT I AM.
In Hebrew it implies He always was, is, and will be. Eternal sums it up.
We inherited Adam’s sin. And in effect born spiritually dead.
Jesus Christ
(YASHUA HAMASHIACH)
The messiah. Jesus came to replace the ineffective temple sacrifices for sins individually and one a year collectively. Ineffective because sacrifice had do be done every time a person sinned.
Yashua came to present himself as the perfect sinless sacrifice, for our redemption.
He died, she’d blood, buried, and rose from the dead. He has risen and that completed for all to have the right to being reborn spiritually in the Messiah.
HE THAT BELIEVES ON JESUS’ REDEMPTION SHALL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.
There is no religion or philosophy or anything like that that offers the truth. One God One way.
We all have a choice. Remain spiritually dead or alive
Alive is being part of GOD’s everlasting life in HEAVEN.
Or remain spiritually dead and end up in a place of eternal pain and suffering.
It is written: the wages of sin is death. Accepting the Messiah (Jesus Christ) is the way to eternal life. It is the only way to eternal life.
I suggest reading the Bible and the key passage to my comment is chapter 3 in the gospel of John.
My comment is so long now most won’t read it to the end.
This is so timely. I have SO many Christian friends who’ve seemingly been led down the garden path. Could you do more videos on how to talk to them? I do plan on talking to one friend about her embrace of Richard Rohr and Brenne Brown. But could you do a video about them and their awful ideas?
I am a practicing Catholic. I go to a church of the Capuchin Friars. There is no way that I would listen to anything that Richard Rohr says.
For whatever reason she didn’t mention that fact that Fr. Rohr is Catholic or even that he is a priest.
I remember hearing his name before, he is a highly controversial character due to the fact that he does not seem to preach Catholic orthodoxy.
@@ccm3314 I think she has a real issue with the Catholic Church and tries to find ways to discredit it. I hope that in time she will be Confirmed in a year or two.
Rain on a tin roof ........... one of the most peaceful sounds ever! I love how you manage to put into coherent sentences things I've known but been unable to express with any intelligence. ....... Thank-you!
I wish I met your teachings/lectures in high school. Your talks help clarify a lot of various perspectives and “philosophies.” Thanks so much for posting!
I remember first throwing out these kinds of books lol man thank youJESUS
Did anyone else find the video stopped at 7:15 (".....put that stone in that shoe")? I hang on to your every word Melissa (smile please). Thanks for this and all your videos. They are full of thought-provoking truth, delivered in a humble, funny, and a servant-hearted manner. Keep up the great work. You are certainly a means of God's grace in my life.
Yep, it cut off abruptly. Not sure if that was on purpose or mistake/glitch.
Yeah I must have cut it off too soon before it segued into the next question. Sorry about that!
@@MelissaDougherty❤. Jesus power ❤ Warning it is intense
I am a probably a progressive, but I really like this video. Melissa is very clear and respectful, as always. I may check out that book she recommended.
My son had this book on his Christmas list…honestly, I was in a hurry shopping online & bought it. It was very inexpensive so I didn’t think much of it.
Right after Christmas, my son asked for a gift receipt so he could return it. He didn’t mention why, but now I can guess why.
I don't agree with every aspect of this video, but I really, really enjoyed that very first statement that you keep with.
"Seek to understand, and then to be a understood."
Beautiful.
That sounds like a quote from St. Francis of Assisi.
It also comes from Franklin Covey's Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. One of my employers required all of us to go through that course.
Song of Saint Francis “ Make me a channel of your Peace “
Relativism book is available for Kindle, in paperback, and used on Amazon
Ty for answering this. Wasn’t my question but good to know. Also I have ALWAYS wanted a tin roof! Love that sound 🌧️ 🥰
I can barely hear the rain it’s fine 😊
The book, Relativism: Feet Firlmy Planated in Mid-Air, is available on Logos Bible study software. Just in case anyone is interested.
Good job with this. Well handled. Also, the rain drop are not at all annoying.
This something I learned a long time ago. Just because something is real doesn't mean it is true and experience can lie to you.
Yes experiences and feelings are notoriously unreliable
Thank you! I appreciate you and pray for you. God bless you.
This was so good Melissa, Thank you☺️🙏🏻 ps. Loooove that the rain is in the background 😃😆
The sound of the rain wasn't disruptive. In fact, It made it better.
Love this sister.
I like the sound, very soothing😊
only :30 in and I relate. I had a friend who shared that she knew her late son was in heaven because... and then went on to list a handful of demonic haunting examples that she attributed to her late son and gave credit to him for doing them from heaven. it was a tough conversation, but biblical truth came out on top. Glory to God that she was rescued from the delusion.
It sounds like one delusion clashing with another delusion.
Wait you told you friend her son wasn’t in heaven? That’s just mean. I’m sorry. Perhaps True, sure, but pretty mean.
@sarahdoanpeace3623
i don't he was being mean. I can understand how you came to that came to that conclusion.
But to say that it was mean... I kind of disagree with that.
I wouldn't see it as mean, even though it would be tough to digest that (it is harsh, but not mean). Because to be mean to someone is synonymous with being rude, or petty, or malicious. Based on the op's comment, it didn't sound like he was being mean.
From what the OP said, his friend was _rescued_ from the delusions. It seems like he did this out of love.
@@christandlove123 It is no more mean that telling someone the lie that their love one awaits them in heaven.
@@Cuffsmaster yes!
I remember this saying:
I would rather offend someone to heaven than love them to hell. (I'm not sure if I phrased that right).
This came at just the right time. Praise God!
Speaking as a Catholic...
THANK YOU FOR CALLING Fr. RICHARD ROHR OUT.
One of my best friends suffered so much in her spiritual/prayer life and in discerning Religious Life because of his nonsense, intellectually. After getting out of it, she even tried to call another Priest promoting his content on campus back to the right road. Thankfully for our new Bishop there's been positive changes in that regard, but yeah. Good video expose. 👍🏻
Love the rain.
One of the main things that you've said early on about spotting unbiblical teaching that stuck with me is the Bible PLUS or Jesus PLUS perspectives. Very illuminating. Thanks!
The truth is that the Tree of Life is our heritage, not the Tree of Separation. The Tree of Separation is also known as the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The bible shows the stark difference between the Garden of Eden on one end versus the all out religious battle in Revelations on the other end. Religion and the presumed knowledge of good vs. evil lead to separation. This separation is highlighted in various characters of increasing frequency until finally, one is separated from the entire planet. That is not love. Love of all is the path to connecting with one another and the one true God.
@@DonnaMcCartney-q7v What is the meaning of the Parable of the Sheep and Goats?
this is a Blessing thank you
God bless you sister.
Great video 👏 Wish it didn’t end so quickly though.. I could’ve listened to you continuing this topic for ages! It’s so very needed
Oh just realized there’s another longer video Yah 🎉
The rain just makes it better 🥰
Thank you Melissa. ❤ 🇦🇺
I opened up some spiritual doors I was attacked by demons for years it was so alluring. It’s not something I like to talk about because of how intense it was.
I didn’t notice the rain until you pointed it out 🤨
Most people dont know what they are talking about. Seeking to understand not only helps them understand themselves but it keeps you from jumping to conclusions based on the unintended messages in the words they say
Seek to understand then be understood - Gold 🏆
Melissa, thank you. I thank you not just for your informative videos, but also for the gentle very Christ-like approach to so many things. I have people whom, doing as you do, who would be/were/are hostile to most other kinds of presentation/instruction stop and actually are willing to listen. Your gentle Ruth/Esther/Mary spirit (or that way Ruach Hakkodesh/Holy Spirit) has you present/convey things. (Hope how I put that doesn't sound "New Age-ish as I don't mean it so..) Also, as someone who had no problem at all seeing through the relativism of "Progressive" ideas, you are really going into the heart of how Biblical apologetics need to meet it all head on.
Thanks for th info, Melissa! I already have Greg's book Tagtics, but I'll definitely track down the other one. It sounds interesting!
I found the Greg Koukl book you recommended on amazon! Both print and kindle versions!
I had to read the 4 agreements in college. Thank you for this video
Never apologize for rain on a tin roof! I hope we will have that in heaven. ;)
What's the best way to tell Christians that their beliefs aren't real?
❤Blessings!❤
This was good stuff. You produce a lot of content (not saying too much), and i hope your resting well after your labors. "Its a marathon, not a sprint" as they say.
Thanks for posting. Very helpful
The Spirit and the Bride say, Come Lord Jesus...
Thank you for making this video.
Your eye accessing is interesting to watch. Extremely sharp. I can see a trained therapist asking you, "Did someone or something in your past frightened you?" Anyway, you would make a great AI pattern in the future: [organic:, female, Single Reference- safety pattern 1, Fund. Middle Ages: KJV 1611], Fun to watch and eastly modded to 100% reference capability. Plus 41k views --most simping-- you could negotiate a merch deal as well with the Customer selecting various snide remarks and quips. Just great stuff.
I have a friend who thinks I need to come to her Charismatic/NAR church because they have have fresh revelation. Been there. Done that. How do I talk to this friend without damaging the friendship? I'd love to see a video on that.
I have charismatic friends who use the phrase, fresh word(s). They are very much into the prophetic movement.
Just tell them you're not interested in their witchcraft
@@NoName-rm1nvyou know, Christianity is a spiritual belief. If you’re not having spiritual experiences, you’re doing it wrong. Move any mountains lately?
@@alexmack956 be gone demon in the name of Yashua
Nobody ever seems to remember a past life as a medieval peasant.
Where in the Bible does it talk about gnostic beliefs? I read the Bible and I struggle to learn.....to get what you all on youtube get out of the Word. I read in context, I use commentaries and trusted people here on youtube John McArthur etc. Also, so much content in each epi and so many new words, (like you related today) religions/cults to keep up with it makes my head spin!! I often wonder what this will get us in Heaven and I thank God that there is no test.....way too much stuff to keep in my head LOL. Seems I can only manage barely past basics. But I love your channel and ones like Paul Washer, Justin Peters, Doreen Virtue etc. Thanks for sharing and maybe someone in the comments understands my comment and relates. Thanks much for sharing, Melissa😀
Oh! I thought Prolegomena had something to do with being in favor of LEGOs. 😅
Seriously. This is very good. Thank you clearly explaining all of this to your audience.
Not our job to convince anyone, it is our job to share the good news.
That means we aren’t supposed to sugar coat anything.
Thank you
Great video!
There seems to be many churches who don't teach Bible prophesy or even talk about what is going on now with Israel.
so good, I'm currently reading the universal Christ and makes a lot of good points totally fits the panentheism. The idea of the Christ and Jesus coming together in JesusChrist is interesting to say the least.
I love your opening graphic
Sounded like you were gonna keep going there at the end, then BLACK SCREEN. Thought my phone had died for a second 😂
Yeah, it seemed to cut off abruptly. I thought my computer messed up too.
Excellence, Melissa! Thank you💕🙏🏻
The rain sounds nice 🥰
Thank you so much for this! Exactly what I've been looking for in terms of a friend. I'd like further suggestions on how to have a similar conversation with my husband.
I don’t know why but, why is it so gosh darn funny when an apologist uses the gen Z word “SUS” on the thumbnail😂.
I want to hear more about the spiritual experiences and how they are real but not true - is there another video about that? Love Melissa - so pertinent to my situation
Sadly when they become pastors they feel they are above anything you tell them. My pastor friend decided in the end that saved and unsaved will enter into the kingdom. He apparently wanted to sin all he wanted.
Even with a friend, if they want to keep believing, against all wisdom or evidence, all you can do is use the Bible and pray.
Thank you!
The answer is God is "I AM" the "alive and active" of the words of God do all the convincing. You do not need to use the "flesh" to convince the power of the words will do it for you.
OMG. This is a book a read before I got saved. I tried to apply its teachings and it worked a little bit. But I was ultimately dissatisfied because I felt like there was something more. Something that could satisfy my emptiness and bring me too peace. When I got saved, I completely forgot about this book.
No one ultimately got saved yet, because there is still a judgement to come, and if you are still alive on this planet then you have not finished the race yet.
@@Michael-ArchonaeusThe moment you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you are saved.
@@justin10292000 Jesus did not agree with that.
@@Michael-ArchonaeusYou're wrong
@@debraolson7553 No, I am not.
Thank you for sharing,er, reminding me_us about common courtesy...which is NOT so common
Thanks Melissa for these videos. I’m running into some Christians speaking about fasting to release generational curses and opened doors from occult backgrounds. 😮 I’m saved by Christ’s grace so why should I fast to release curses or to close doors. Did Christ not do that when He saved me & revealed Himself to me? From my understanding I was bought with Christ’s blood. I will fast during different times as needed to focus more on the Lord, grow, humble myself, heal, & remove distractions, but where is this coming from generational curses, etc… ? I would appreciate if anyone could clarify this because I was once in new age and this is also sounding like something similar to some of those beliefs.
This is a wonderful video! The encouragement to listen well (to understand) as well as to ask intentional questions is incredibly important! Thank you, Melissa!
Btw, the rain sounds beautiful! 💁🏻♀️♥️
Several friends have told me stories of loved ones visiting them. 😮
My sister's have said that & I informed them that's not mom. But then they don't read the Bible either
I guess I’m not good at this. I have a friend who is now completely sold out to the progressive movement, posting articles from Rohr and others on FB. I can’t help myself challenging him when he says that since Jesus died for everyone, everyone, as in every single person who ever lived, will end up in heaven. Oh and there is no hell so nothing to be afraid of. I’ve told him that I’ll be in prayer for his soul. He calls me an “infernalist”.
I’m looking for the full version of this video it cut off abruptly and never did speak about the 4 agreements which I’m very interested in hearing Melissa speak on.
Romans 13:1-5 are verses that many would reject for cause
What Rohr teaches is an ancient Gnostic heresy.
I was going to ask if you hadn't said something, but as a headphone user I could hear the rain. It's been raining here off and on all morning and I was starting to think I could hear it kicking up.
According to Wittgenstein, there is a difference between asserting a fact in the present and a fact in the past. Yes, you can objectively assert a fact in the present (as long as it doesn't require a judgement - e.g. "This is a good tasting apple"). However, once we try to assert a fact in the past, it's quite a different ballgame - as every historian will tell you. So, since nobody is alive that saw the Resurrection and we only have scriptures (that differ in their narrative) testifying about the Resurrection about 60 years after the fact, entertaining the "truth" about the Resurrection is a compelling exercise, but hardly one which truth value can be objectively be established.
Every church needs classes on apologetics
This video was good! But it ended very abruptly, was it meant to end so abruptly?
Thank you for this video! I have a couple friends that are reading Rohr. Thank for recommending the book Relativism: Feet Firmly Planted in Mid-Air
by Francis J. Beckwith
Born again? Yes. Born before? Yes. Born more? Yes. How can the first be last and the last be first?
Getty yup!
“What is the source of your experience?”
This is interesting. A few years ago, I was deeply attached to the Enneagram, but didn't get too involved with Rohr's writing. Mostly spent my time reading what other people had to say on the topic. Anyway, I never saw the Enneagram as being particularly spiritual. I saw it more as systematic introspection. And to be honest, it worked. Through the Enneagram, I discovered a few hidden sins I otherwise might not have noticed was there. So, I continued using it for a while, considering it as a sort of tool to help me examine myself as the Bible commands us to do. But if someone had told me all that stuff about Jesus sort of taking on God, I would've thought they were crazy.
There's more I can say. But I'll stop here so I don't ramble on for too long.
Ugh! A heavy New-Age friend of mine just recommended this book, and they praised how life-changing it was for them. It was wholly Satanic. I prayed for my friend as I read the book. After, I told this friend the few basic life teachings which I appreciated in the book, and I thanked them for recommending it to me. But I also warned them about the serious errors and cleverly interwoven occultic teachings therein. I recommended that they read Gregory Koukl's book, "Relativism, Feet Firmly Planted In Mid-Air." I don't know if they will read it, or if they are interested in thinking logically, but that was my simple reply.
A good cross reference would be a quick reread or study on Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s the theory of stupidity.
@MelissaDougherty, I do not hear the sprinkling water so the microphone is not picking it up.
Love the thumbnail that says “sus”
I have read The Four Agreements and on its face, surface level, it's not bad advice. If you read the preface and the author's notes etc, you see right away that it's a non Christian spiritual, ancestor worship type thing. I tried to read another of his books about his "ancestral spirit guide/vision quest" thingy and I couldn't get into it as is was just too weird and either New Agey, shamanistic, or a hallucination he had. It put me off.
Unbiblical beliefs? That’s about 90% of all modern churches.
No sprinkling sounds!😂