ONE preamp FOUR power amps!
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- Опубликовано: 9 дек 2015
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This video takes ONE Bogner Fish Preamp and runs it through FOUR different power amps for an A/B/C/D test. Trying to show the characteristic differences in the amps, all the while trying to dial in a hairy Jerry Cantrell tone on Angry Chair.
00:11 Bogner Fish - VHT 2150 (KT88) Clean/Funk Channel
00:23 Bogner Fish - VHT 2150 (KT88) Shark Channel
00:47 Bogner Fish - VHT 2150 (KT88) Brown Channel
01:40 Bogner Fish - VHT 2150 (KT88) Strato Channel
02:03 Bogner Fish - TubeWorks MosValve MV-962
02:53 Bogner Fish - Mesa 2:90
03:44 Bogner Fish - Lee Jackson SP-1000
04:33 Power Amp discussion
06:43 Bogner Fish - Mesa 2:90 (Deep & Modern)
07:38 Guitar Acapellas (no track, just guitar)
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I am rocking the MosValve Power Amp. Had mine since '91. I have the ReattubeII preamp with it.
Gotta say your choice in gear is beyond impeccable. Your studio must run a great biz to get that kind of gear on hand. That VHT cost more than my car. I even see a triaxis and very spiff parametric eq favored by dime bag. The FISH is just legendary and not easy to come by so super congrats there, score!!! Never seen one in the wild in 10 years.
Regardless of the poweramp used you absolutely nailed Jerry's chainsaw buzzing, earth shattering, moving the Alpes mid heavy crushing tone! Always wanted a Bogner Extacy, maybe one day. Maybe a Bogner Red Pedal with my old 5150 combo would do well. Anyhow, thanks again for this vid. Sound quality is perfect, visuals looks great and are nice and cheeky! ;) Loved The Great Beardo Trooch! Spit my coffee out when Rhenhold said hello! lmao. Content keeps getting better and I'm always salvating for more. Truly my fav subscription. Also really admire your versatile chops! You can shred and keep the rhythm tight!
:) Thanks Alex!!!!
I've used a Mesa 2:90 with my Mesa Studio Pre for many years, and it sounds fantastic! I got the 2:90 after talking to Bob Bradshaw at the NAMM Show many years ago - that was the power amp he recommended to me. Really like your video's Michael!
Michael, I really enjoy your videos !! I'm a AIC fan & always wanted Fish but never could get my hands on one. Bogner makes some amazing amps I'm loving my Shiva 6L6 & Goldfinger 45 in a stereo rig. My neighbors love me.😜
Amazing version of the solo, very cool licks I need to learn it now !
Well I actually spent last evening learning it by ear with your video ! A half step down with 9-46 strings and I still had a hard time pulling that big bend at the 22 on E string !! And the other on the G string (second fret) is not bad either !!! What gauge do you use Michael ? You nailed it !
I love the Mosvalve, been using it since the early 2000's.
With any solid state amp, i had to use the BBE rack mounted sonic maximizer to get the tone close to a tube sound. I was using an ADA MP-1 and a B200S ADA power amp in my rack. Miss the sounds I could have but always found myself sticking close to a favorite clean and a favorite dirty and did not like programming a huge rack into banks to what I thought I would need in a show. I went back to floor pedals and 2 tube amps....much happier and loose when I play and can duplicate any recorded sound live much easier.
Well done with my beloved AiC.
I wish you would demo more Bogner. So many to choose from. Please do !
Hey Michael, I really like what you're doing, please keep going on ;-)
Are you planning to realize the same video with the CAE/CAA 3+ ?
Great video!
I own an original fish pre with a shark channel modded by Reinhold. I highly recommend having the shark channel modded to have a pot instead of the switch.
I've used it with the 2150, Mosvalve 500, and Mesa simul 290. Each of these amps sounded great in their own right. I prefer the 290 for the diversity with the different modes. I spoke to Chris Poland about his preference since he is a fish user. He prefers the Mosvalve live but, if I remember correctly, he used the 290 with the fish on the "system has failed". My personal experience is modded shark channel+290 = mass quantities of heaviness.
Awesome video. All of the tube amps sound huge! The MosValve holds up really well too. Still have the big MV 942 myself. I might have missed it in the video but how were the sounds captured? Mic'd cab? You always have the best produced guitar amp sounds. I would love a tutorial just on that !!
A comparison video between the Triple Giant and Bogner Fish preamp through the VHT would be super neat-o.
I mean really, who else is going to do it? Who else actually has both, and also happens to make really good quality videos?
Had (have. it's for sale) the Triple Giant, had the IE-4, had the CAA 3+, hell, I even had Hughes & Kettner's 3 channel whatever-the-heck it was. Power was Marshall 9000 50/50 an' Boogie Simul - 395. Still have both of those, although the Boogie definitely needs some serious TLC.
Never had the pleasure of owning a Fish or the Groove Tubes Trio. Ah well...you can't have everything. Oh wait... I forgot who's site I was commenting on lol!
Love your uploads man, lotta fun, lotta great info, lotta real darned fine picking too!
Just for giggles, the VHT seemed to have the best characteristics of the Boogie (tubular grunt) and the Jackson (chainsaw articulation) for applying to that AIC thang. Just my goofy opinion, thanks for the upload.
When Jerry was using the Fish as his main line tone it had the Bogner "anthrax" mod to add gain. I know I read the reason he switched to the Mosvalve 500 poweramps was because it was way too dark.
By the way that Jackson poweramp sounds great.
big bump. awesome comparison. thanks.
Hi Michael - Great video - delicious sounds! Very difficult to decide which one is the best power amp. Is this the HAFLER Triple Giant in your rack? Very interesting to know what are the differences between the Fish and Triple Giant preamp and what´s you´re prefered power amp for both of these amps.... Cheers from Germany!
Sick video man, Im checking the mosvalve mv962 myself. Do you think is loud enough to keep up on a live non mic'd concert? Think a loud 150 seaters small bar
Any difference between the Pink and Black Face 2150’s or just cosmetic? I’ve owned the pink thinking of getting a black one. Also ever try the Peavey Classic 50/50?
Super curious to know your opinion about Rocktron Mainline or Koch ATR
I run my 2:90 (with a Soldano pre amp) with only modern engaged....sometimes the 1/2 power. It seems like the deep adds too much low....(a knob for that would’ve been my choice)....I liked the Lee Jackson power amp better than the Mosvalve.....great vid.
Michael - loved the video and proper use of the Fish. I owned one for about 4 years. I also saw in the video the Demeter preamp underneath the Fish. Any chance you could do a demo for that preamp like you did here for the Fish? Thanks and keep up the good work.
+jaronensley Thanks! Yep... Demeter will be in the near future
Nice - you could do some STP or School of Fish, right? Thanks!
Have you ever compared the MV962 (160w mono) to the MV942 (3805w mono)?
Great video- I've gotta get a Fish!!
This preamp simply just does not have the Cantrell mod so it just won't get there regardless of poweramps. This sounds great but a stock Shark channel stock just won't get you there without a pedal to boost it. Love the videos and profiles either way, you do great work.
I know RIP is the Triple Giant Preamp, wondering if it was the Brown or Sharp channel they used?
how come you didn t try a marshall power amp? i liked the lee jackson power amp,had a mesa 2;90 years ago, nice gain but too thick, the vht sounds good too, the mosmalve sounds just ok, but the lee jackson seems to have cut to it never saw one though, you need to do one with a marshall power amp
😆It's Dave again a.k.a BUZZ , Mesa boogie with a jmp-1 Marshall preamp would work successful !!! Cool tune by the way, cheers bro.😆
love that AIC song as an instrumental
How you make your drum tracks sound so freaking goood??
2:90 with the modes on sounded best to my ears.
Hi Michael, it seems that you like switching pickups in your Les Pauls, what do you consider to be the best fit to get the big hairy guitar sound ? Stock Gibson pickup ? Thank you very much, and thank you for your channel !
Thanks for watching Sepultubob (ha! Best name!) Pickup switching is a weird thing. I look at it as the 1st of many amplifiers for the guitar. Whereas many people think of them as the initial tone generator. But, I find that a great pickup can also sound crapy in a great guitar if the EQ curve doesn't match up to what the guitar and strings are giving off.
SO, sometimes stock is best, BUT, in my LP Standard the stock pickups were good, but I felt that there was a little bit of mud and honkiness coming through. So I switched to Lollar Imperials, which are very "normal" sounding pickups. In my Standard, they are very balanced and sound like a good ol' Les Paul. My LP Custom is a '74. Neck is original and great, but the bridge was replaced ages ago, and I didn't love the sound, it was kinda woofy. So, I ended up with a Motor City Detroiter which didn't sound that great in my Luxxtone. BUT, it sounds great in my LP.
I still LOVE the sound of EMG's in my LP standard, but I also missed that classic passive Les Paul sound, so one day I'll probably get another LP with EMG's.
I guess, thinking about it I've changed pickups in most of my guitars. Huh. I never really though about that before. I think my Big Hairy sound is when there's just a little too much bass in the bottom. I love a tight bottom, but I prefer when there's a little blossom and bloom to the bottom end notes. And the top needs to have a little cut, like a Van Halen top with a ZZ top bottom.
The VHT with the Bogner FISH is megadeths 1992 live tone
Are you sure it was the Fish and not the Triple Giant?
@@ValSchnitzel pretty sure they tracked with the triple giant and then toured with the fish.
I thought Dave was using the cae3 preamps with the VHT?
@@danim5881 He switched to that for Countdown. Fish was the live Rust in peace. Bogner triple giant for tracking
Which stereo Power amp would you recommend to slave a Bogner Ecstasy 101B? Running a Lexicon PCM81and TC1210 in between amp and power amp.
Fryette Power Station
great video, thanks. I have the Randall RT2/50 and I'm always wondering of these amps would sound better than what I have. No one has, uses, or even talks about the Randall. no one cares. It;s got great features but I often wonder if I'm missing out with one of these bigley, big league big boys. what does anyone think?
Both randall & rocktron have that one poweramp nobody dares to speak about. Both were designed by egnater so it's pretty much in the same league if not above.
I'd like to hear it without drums, they seem kinda loud. But it sounds good with any poweramp.
Id like to ask about the drum ? What is it ?
Cool vid! No surprise though since Dirt was recorded using 2150s. Cantrel had two and producer Dave Jerden had two of his own. Jerden says many of the players he recorded at Eldorado used them :)
+Fryette Amps Whoohooo! Straight truth from Fryette!
+Fryette Amps
Actually, the Dirt tone was a mix of early Dual Recto, Rockman and the Bogner modded Jcm 800. Facelift was recorded entirely with that Bogner modded 800.
Nice video nonetheless.
+Grim Dawn Yeah, I've heard that was the recording setup, and that Dave Jerden (the Producer/Mixer) would blend to taste, using the Rockman as the "High's", the Recto for "Lows" and the Bogner for "Mids". To my ear, the Rockman and the Recto have a very recognizable tone, and your can hear them poke through from time to time. The early Bogner stuff also had a recognizable thing once your ear targets it. Especially if you hear on old Bogner Giant preamp and some old Bogner Marshall mods. It's something in the mids that's very "Bogner" to me. The Fish has some of that Bogner midrange. IMO the Bogner is the closest single amp to the old AIC sound. It's WAY harder to try to get a Jerry Cantrell tone with a Dual Recto... and near impossible with a Rockman! ;) Thanks for watching and chiming in Grim!
Grim Dawn There were or was a Bogner Fish on the Dirt recording with the Shark mod and a VHT2150. Dan Spitz provided Jerry with one. You can even see a Bogner Fish used by Kirk Hammett recording the black album at One on One studios in LA.
@@SuckerFreeGear He used a JCM 800 that Bogner modded and added an extra gain stage too through a front and back mic'd 112 cabinet. The Bogner Shiva is based on that amp.
The VHT is awesome.
No way you have Lee Jackson SP-1000! :D I've been looking that. I've seen it pop up for years for a cheap price and wanted to see it, but just when I had the money and the need, there's none or people ask a lot.
Gotta say I'm surprised how people tend to say power amp doesn't matter that much, but obviously all of them sounded clearly different.
Interesting about this video is that I heard a word megadeth used Fish and VHT on rust in peace but I really didn't hear it here, maybe the solo had some of that in those bends especially. I also watched another vid with less high quality recording but it might've had more of the sound. I guess Les Paul isn't the optimal guitar for that either.
Yeah, the Lee Jackson stuff has a cool, interesting tone. I'll do a vid on that one day (I promise). Rust wasn't a Bogner Fish. It was a Bogner Giant, or Bogner designed Hafler Triple Giant. The Fish came out in 92, a few years after Rust. For countdown, they used a Custom Audio Electronics CAE3+ preamp. I can't say that I'm aware of the Fish getting into their racks... but I'd love to see a picture or interview confirming that. IMHO, the Fish is way to squishy for Megadeth... well, maybe the Sharp channel with a BBE.
I wonder, is it possible to run one preamp into multiple power amps at the same time?
A lot of the preamp have 2 outputs, so it would be easy with those. Otherwise you can use a line splitter.
VHT sounds the best. I'm still impressed by how nice your 962 sounds. I still own a Mosvalve 962 that has always been my "spare tire". They never die.
Best sounding power amp I ever owned was a VHT 2902. I wish I still had it now. I have also owned a Mesa 2:50, a chrome Carvin TS100, Peavey 50/50 that were all equal IMO. Most disappointing power amp I ever owned was my first: ADA Mosfet 100. It was wimpy and lifeless.
Oh really! I was always curious about the ADA power
@@BigHairyGuitars You ever seen those TV commercials with the old guy who finally gets his "miracle ear", and realizes what he has been missing all along? That's what my life was like when I traded in the ADA for the Peavey Classic 50/50 el-84 poweramp.
I like the Bogner into mesa 290
Lee Jackson sounds "weaker", but hard to call it out for being not tube. Just got one to finally have a full rack and not to need to use tube head's power amp. VHT2150 takes the day easily. It's "fresh" in eq, breathing and open, but still has that low end punch. Mesa was a bit too dark and full to my taste. TubeWorks just worked but nothing special to say about it. I tend to come back to these rack preamp and poweramp shootouts because they're just enjoyable. I also started thinking your channel logo follows those prestigious amps, like Fish, Soldano, VHT2150. Just don't know what the red stripe would be.
Great! :)
Funnily enough, Jerry has just gone BACK to the Fish in 2024.
To me , the best is the VHT
Digging my 962 out of my closet.... Time for a revisit to an old friend... My back will thank me later.
I recently did the same. I setup a poor man's Dean Deleo rig: my MV962, Peavey Rockmaster preamp, TCE G-Major2, in stereo to R,L ADA 212 slant cabs. Behringer stereo chorus to split the signal into my Zinky Bluevelvet combo. The Mosvalve low end is on the thin side but mids and stereo sound is nice and wide. Flip on the Zinky, and then the stereo + middle channel rig has balls.
Just bought one to replace the one I had to sell years ago!
😆#1-mesa 2:90, #2-vht 2150, #3 tube works #4- L.J. sp-1000😆
I saw Alice in Chains open for Megadeth, Anthrax, and Slayer on the Clash of the Titans tour. My mom took me and a friend and almost hit Tom Araya and Jeff Hanneman while trying to figure out a place to drop us off. I wanted a Bogner or Triple Giant with the VHT so bad after that concert.
Vht 👍could I use a jcm800 to power it?
what is that furman? is that a preq 3?
It's a Furman PEQ 3. it's an EQ with level boost (if needed).
A Capellas sealed the VHT for me
Killer Preamps all Killer no Filler!!
Definitely prefer the Metaltronix and VHT; Mesa and Randall sound soft, mushy in comparison
ditch the pick guard! free the wood lol
What cabinet did you use?
Bogner 4x12 v30's
VHT sounds best to me, followed by the Lee Jackson.
I thought the VHT was clearly the best sounding of the four.
One is Good???
And-
One is Bad???
LOL👍🏼
Sorry, it’s an inside Joke from my family to yours✊🏼
Is it me or did the VHT stand out above all
How good is the Mosvalve bro?
I had new one about 3 years. The most expensive and the worst ever. I tried different tube power amps but not...
Low end was muddy, sloppy and lazy. All channels had the same character. There was something I liked in the mids
but that downstairs ... no way. Maybe that's why it's not used by anyone or does anyone use it?
Oops commented before I saw the end.
vht 2150 win
VHT best sounding / sexist looking!
The mesa sounded best