The Rise of Cultural Marxism | Jordan Peterson
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- Jordan Peterson and John Anderson discuss the historical damages of marxism and express their concern that this ideology is once again on the rise.
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I’m from Romania, an ex-communist country; we were under communism 50 years and 30 years of my youth. This intellectuals din’t know how horrible was ( without heat in winter, electricity few hours per day, no food in the stores)! They like the idea of communism, utopic life, were people are equal; yes, we were equal in poverty!
Those intellectuals think they we be in charge this time, but they will be in a Gulag.
Thank you for sharing your story.
Every generation is merely seen as a sacrifice to communism.
Thanks for pointing this out. People have forgotten how half of Europe was living in poverty and still hasn't fully recovered from it.
I have been told that ‘we will do it better here in the US’.
Also agree with the other comment and I can see the folks I know that think this way that they will be in charge when they would in fact be the first to get hurt. Human hubris at its best.
This happened in Zimbabwe and is happening in South Africa , the people who have never produced anything have been told the people who have things stole these things from them.
UN promoted indigenous marxism. To destabilize the world; so that they csn rule.
Unfortunately, socialism is happening in every country in the world.
Take from the people who have and give it to the undeserving. This is exactly the reason why i dispise socialists.
I think the issue is capitalism has gone out of control. There is a balance to be struck. Full on capitalism doesn't work when you don't manage facets of it. Socialism doesn't work because it puts people in a position of resentment and ultimately poverty.
Regulate capitalism in a proper manner. When the free market is stacked and avenues are monopolized, it is no longer a free market.
That worked out well when they dispossessed all the white farmers who grew 95% of the food
You can see why Canada tried to shut him up. Too much truth.
If Canada tried to shut him up, it didn't do a very good job of it.
@@johnburns8660
He spends a lot of his time in the US and other countries. He's out of reach of those grasping stifling arms of the progressives when he's not in Canada. He's become too big for the Canadian authorities to control.
No one tried to shut him up.
@@sandorski56 That's what I thought.
@@johnburns8660they did . He wouldn’t let them. He lost his job. He was forced into relearning classes😂 other stuff
Of course it ends very badly. That's what they want.
A certain type of person that is suffering would rather bring about the suffering of everybody rather than do the work required to bring about the end to their own suffering.
Yes, read Lenin and company, Marcuse and so on.
The Universities have created the useful idiot class that will happily bring about the destruction. What they don’t realize is that they’ll usher in their own demise as well.
We may well be heading towards this. What happens when automation and AI takes over most of the jobs? Hundreds of millions living on low income whilst we have billionaires flying private jets overhead? The whole thing will collapse/
The billionaires are hardly the problem--it's woke ID poli Marxism.@@avae5343
I am from Russia. Thank you for speaking about Marxism. It's sad prosperous countries and many of their citizens have now clue how horrific life of people was in Soviet Union, esp in 1920-1950s. People should read more books, for ex Children of Arbat by Rybakov. Perhaps, that could educate these woke guys somehow...
They would just loudly proclaim it was because Marxism has "never been done right".
Which simply means that they think it would be different and better if THEY were allowed to be the ones running things... which then tells you what they REALLY want.
Control.
Maybe see how great life was for small farmers in the US in the exact same time period...look up Okies or read The Grapes of Wrath.
or the 'black book of communism', if inclining towards sources | facts. of course, bourgeoise leftists in west don't like this and will pretend denial.
@@mitchyoung93 How many of those farmers were sent to the American gulags? How many million of them did the government eliminate?
Yeah I read Mao's great famine, I read about the Holodemore and so forth.... I am Danish, living in Denmark, and I am gobsmacked over my fellow country men I am just like... You don't know what you're asking. What is WRONG with you?!
We're headed for dark times... Seriously.
This is the stuff kids SHOULD be learning in school…..
not how to be entitled and self centred.
Exactly
If they teach it to them they will not follow the indoctrination of the government and elites.
You are 100% correct! I left the teaching profession because my hands were increasingly tied as far at teaching real history.
The teachers are part of the problem
It's scary when I think of the oppressed groups fighting each other for resources because they are all entitled to something.
My seventh grade history teacher, Mrs. Nall, informed us kids that the first thing fascists do is start to (change) re-define the language. This was around 1979. It wasn't long after that that we started to use gender neutral pronouns. I did feel uneasy at this change because of what she said.
Don't worry, that's just your transphobia speaking. The fascism's on the right.
@@dianapanetta Thanks same to you ❤
There's nothing new. This has been going on for thousands of years. Thucydides in his Peloponnesian War, (describing the revolution
at Corfu) gives us an example; and suggests a motivation
for it:
'The meaning of words no longer had the same relation to things, but
was changed by them as they thought fit. Reckless doing was held to be
loyal courage; prudent delay was the excuse of a coward; moderation was
the disguise of unmanly weakness; to know everything was to do nothing.'
yes. Orwell described this in the 1940s.
@@powertrip1050 Orwell was vocally anti-jewish, and was describing communism, not fascism. Both are true of Aldous Huxley (Brave New World) as well.
My grand parents were there. Everything taken from them, except their lifes and only because they kept their mouths shut, they survived. After that they were deported to Syberia, forced labor in gulag, basically slavery.
He is excellently describing Groupthink.
and w ecna reverse it. my cousin knows how to rverse groupthink
snowflakethink
You can apply this to the religion of peace. They work on the same model.
Group think is the basis of communism/socialism. The idea of it is that you "will" agree with the state or that you "will" be on the receiving end of its brutality.
@@_lmagine except they always eat each other to extinction
What is so anger making is that our elites KNOW this ends in blood and they WANT that. If this is not evil, I don't know what is.
Alas. I think they see it ending with their sailing away on a luxury yacht just before the brown stuff hits the spinny thing.
@@o00nemesis00o I'm sure Louis XVI and his crew thought the same thing.
It seems you know literally nothing about Lois XVI and his times
@@Nicolaus-ih3fy I (or at least Wikipedia) seem to know more about it then you know about properly addressing replies to comments. But hey, you white knight for the 1% all you want.
@@Nicolaus-ih3fy Good one; I wasn't thinking of Lot.
Really liked this conversation. Glad that Jordan Peterson is around. We all need someone who gives his opinion and then explains why he is right. The truth is most times recognisable 🤗
But he fails at explaining why he is right.😅
He believes "life is all malevolence, suffering and tragedy." Only a chronically depressed ex-addict could want you to believe THAT lie.
All his lies and inverted egotism caught up with him, finally.
Telling a Twitter opponent that if he didn't like the world as it is he "could leave anytime"--malicious, and overt encouragement of suicide was perhaps less than shrewd, on Peterson's part.
I think that his most recent difficulties have more to do with alleged unprofessional behavior than it does criticism of the government per se, doesn't it? I mean, "Poor people eat too much food" or "climate doesn't exist" aren't direct critiques of any government, are they?
I lost interest in what he is saying when I checked out his assertion that "lack of serotonin is the cause of depression"¹; it turns out there is no scientific basis for that whatsoever. ²
Then I looked into him further only to discover his claims, "I am an evolutionary biologist," and "I am a neuroscientist" to both be false: he's always only had a doctorate in cognitive psychology.³
¹ruclips.net/video/j5cT-2BLWk0/видео.html
²www.google.com/search?q=dies+lack+of+seretonen+cause+depression%3F&oq=dies+lack+of+seretonen+cause+deoression%3F&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30l2j0i390i650l4.22922j0j1&client=ms-android-samsung-gj-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
³ruclips.net/video/hSNWkRw53Jo/видео.html
See: 5:46--7:52
I've always intensely disliked and mistrusted paucity of intellectual integrity...
(..."There is a false saying: 'How can someone who cannot save himself save others?' Supposing I have the key to your chains, why should your lock and my lock be the same?"
~ Friedrich Nietzsche)
Jordan is a antiwhite. Identity politics is what white people need to defend their group against the antiwhiteism thats destroying the west.
Not sure how old this is, 4 years?, but boy it has aged well. A younger angrier Jordon, completely on point and exactly as its turning out.
Are you kidding me? If White people embraced racial consciousness and collectivized it would solve 90% of the Western world's problems over night. The problem is an anti-White agenda in actual White countries. It's a no-brainer why this would cause conflict.
5yrs ago
Spot on about Qantas
Both of you gentlemen are real gifts to our broken world today! Loved listening to this!
“And justice is turned away backward, and righteousness standeth afar off; for truth is fallen in the street, and uprightness cannot enter.” Isaiah 59:14
I've always loved Jordan, but one of the things that really adds value to his contributions is that his insights slow cook and then reveal themselves later down the line, often in an explosive manner! Occasionally I've had that "aha! moment" when something he was saying years ago just mapped onto reality so perfectly. Makes me realize that this man is ahead of many of us, certainly of myself. Such an enriching figure on multiple levels, and this is coming from someone with a strong affiliation to eastern traditions and spirituality more broadly.
He believes "life is all malevolence, suffering and tragedy." Only a chronically depressed ex-addict could want you to believe THAT lie.
All his lies and inverted egotism caught up with him, finally.
Telling a Twitter opponent that if he didn't like the world as it is he "could leave anytime"--malicious, and overt encouragement of suicide was perhaps less than shrewd, on Peterson's part.
I think that his most recent difficulties have more to do with alleged unprofessional behavior than it does criticism of the government per se, doesn't it? I mean, "Poor people eat too much food" or "climate doesn't exist" aren't direct critiques of any government, are they?
I lost interest in what he is saying when I checked out his assertion that "lack of serotonin is the cause of depression"¹; it turns out there is no scientific basis for that whatsoever. ²
Then I looked into him further only to discover his claims, "I am an evolutionary biologist," and "I am a neuroscientist" to both be false: he's always only had a doctorate in cognitive psychology.³
¹ruclips.net/video/j5cT-2BLWk0/видео.html
²www.google.com/search?q=dies+lack+of+seretonen+cause+depression%3F&oq=dies+lack+of+seretonen+cause+deoression%3F&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30l2j0i390i650l4.22922j0j1&client=ms-android-samsung-gj-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
³ruclips.net/video/hSNWkRw53Jo/видео.html
See: 5:46--7:52
I've always intensely disliked and mistrusted paucity of intellectual integrity...
(..."There is a false saying: 'How can someone who cannot save himself save others?' Supposing I have the key to your chains, why should your lock and my lock be the same?"
~ Friedrich Nietzsche)
What kind of insights for example?
@@kavogaming5352 i havent writen them out, and its hard to explain, but a lot of what he says about the identity politics game for example, how it would eventually lead to more sinister things. A few years ago, to me, stuff like gender ideology, equity, racial quotas, were just modern superficial disagremants between people with different political inclinations, but he warned us from the get go that it is serious. Unravelling the causes behind what seperates people in these matters (socially, spiritually, psycologically) has been such a rich journey and his input has been a constant spearhead in many matters.
More recently his focus on Narratives and how the stories we tell ourselves ultimately shape our reality, is also really juicy. I like to think of thinking, really as a dynamic process of self Discovery, rather than "x is the right answer", and Peterson (like many others) feeds into that nicely.
Don't give up your right to defend yourself and to speak freely! Fight for it! Energetically!
Good work John for enabling Jordan to reach the world
Thanks John. Jordan is not only a genius, but he's knows truth when he sees it.
He's a subversive. He coauthored the UN migration compact, and decorated a large portion of his home with communist propaganda.
@sabbracadabra8367Why is that a problem for you?
Oh he is in the same realm as Trump and Musk! Very stable genius!
@@rogerforsman5064 Uh, huh, I've seen the heroes on the left, who's that guy who falls asleep mid sentence? Oh yeah, Biden..
I do
Many are destined to reason wrongly; others, not to reason at all; and others, to persecute those who do reason. ❤️✌️
Equality of Outcome is NEVER reality.. It was always supposed to mean only "Equality of Opportunity". Otherwise, you devalue the degree, if all effort is meaningless and you can simply be this season's popular minority and do nothing and get the same degree as someone with a higher IQ who did the work. This trend may explain why you can have a Harvard degree and yet still be incompetent. The degree, in such cases, ends up meaningless - like hyperinflated currency. If all you need to have a lot of money is to print it into oblivion, it carries no value in the end: there is no talent, no labor, no collateral, nothing at all backing that worthless piece of paper.
Equality of opportunity is also a pipe dream. We're all presented with different opportunities in life, and it's on us to act on what we're each given.
Just about every form of equality is functionally unachievable, for that matter. So long as we're separate distinct organisms and not some amorphous flesh blob agglomeration there will never be real equality, and frankly I like my corporeal form.
@@alexvesper7820equality under the law is the only equality i think should be pursued.
@sol-hunter2332 pursue any of them you want, just keep in mind this is not a perfect world and there's only one perfect judge and He's not sitting in any human courts of law.
I used to work for a company that fixed robots in factories, and there was a team leader for our work group who would throw his paycheck away at casinos and strippers (he was married with a daughter, btw). And he was absurdly obese, too. And after a weekend of wasting his paycheck, he would grumble about credit card debt, and how the company wasn't paying him enough, and how it wasn't fair my genes allowed me to stay slim.
Sounds like he was a victim of his own victim mentality
@@BrockLanders Quite a lot of people are
So what has this anecdote have to do with anything?
@@rogerforsman5064 🤣🤣
The evil of blame shifting and refusing to have discipline.
My Great Grandfather was murdered in his own home when Russia fell to communism. My Grandfather escaped and helped many others to do so as well. When I was a small boy he warned me that the Canadian government system was DESIGNED to have an easy communist takeover. I didn't understand then...but I sure do now!!!!
Rugged individualism. Self determination, freedom of expression and self reliance. These things I have embraced in my life. I am a 67 year old Blacksmith and Timber Framer. Husband, Father and Grandfather. My wife and I are building our dream cabin in the mountains with our own hands from lumber we milled ourselves after raising a family and renting our entire lives in the San Francisco Bay Area. It goes way beyond politics. As Joseph Campbell said "A Vital person vitalizes those around him" By saving yourself you save the world by example. Our little plot of land is our salvation , our refuge and sanctuary. Not only for us but for our children and children's children. A person who plants a tree knowing that they will never sit in it's shade has begun to understand the meaning of life. I know that others are taking notes on what we are doing. I tell everyone..."You can do it too"
I agree with your philosophy. I spent 20 plus years working and paying to make the repairs on a modest home where I stay busy in my garden . It’s my sanctuary also . Sorry to be depressing but the current administration , and his appointeees are not going to let a certain demographic keep what they have . I suggest you take a look at who he is appointing to the courts . Sickening , and heartbreaking . Be blessed .
I deeply admire Dr Peterson. He has introduced me to so many invaluable ideas.
He coauthored the UN migration compact, and decorated a large portion of his home with communist propaganda. He's a subversive.
It’s interesting how he loves Jewish identity politics.
@@AlexanderLittlebears … please explain?
@@karrishannon He loves the Jewish ethnostate, which is of course based on the preservation of Jewish identity.
@@AlexanderLittlebears So the Jews are no different than every other culture when it comes to preservation?
This is what happens when people are no longer responsible for themselves. They want the same things that the hard working and educated have, but without the effort. They are the product of bad parenting, and programs like “everybody is a winner”. It de incentivizes those that put in the hard work, and makes the non workers believe they should win no matter what. They can’t stand to see others flourish. What they really don’t want is equality or equity, what they want is PRIVILEGE.
This is all being encouraged by the beast system, including your contempt for the lower orders.
Congratulations. Yet another win for them.🎉
Why not just do away with the "lazy"?. You folks on the right know you want to. Everyone has to EARN their life, right?
Trouble is this movement is led by the "educated".
“Carelessly compassionate”
This phrase should be used by all of us who wish to push back against all the DEI insanity.
Disney and Bud Light are finding out how true this is.
Imagine our current Leader said by 2030 we won’t be using any type of fossil or gas for energy. Regulations on energy, food and transportation is being choked off purposefully because remember hungry, sick and cold individuals are easier to control.
Individuals are easy to control. JP's cult of the individual is very useful to the establishment and he is paid handsomely for his service.
I do wish journalists (most, if not all), who once stood for freedom of speech, wake up and see where this is heading. Also, George Orwell's books should be mandatory reading, because that is what they are coming for next.
All of the important moral stories are now banned or simply removed for the curriculum and school libraries.
They never stood for free speech, and Orwell is not our problem, Huxley is.
1984 was a notice, not an anticipation fiction.
@@freeraiderfranc8785 It was a notice and a warning, yes. It was probably not meant to predict a future. Animal Farm is the same type of warning and notice. Not a prediction.
Nothing should be made mandatory reading. This is the kind of thinking that causes these problems in the first place. Intelligence, critical thinking, education, etc.. can not be forced. I am not trying to bust your chops, just disagree with you on the mandatory part. I too highly recommend those books as well as many others. So many of these topics have been covered for over two-thousand years from Greece to Rome to the rest of Europe and England. Sadly the core of Western Ideas and culture are being murdered.
Thank you, Gentlemen. Your passion and dedication to our ongoing well-being / survival is appreciated.
“The alternative to Identity Politics is to live the mythologically heroic life of an individual.”
I doubt most people truly understand the deeply profound truth of that statement. ❤
Nicely put.
Yes, I am from USSR and they were a living proof of striving for equality of the result and not an equality of effort. Now we have the oppressor and the oppressed obsession in the the West and USA. We are watching the outcome of this mentality and politics in real life and it is very scary
Well Putin isn't he the embodiment of state control and war mongering?
EVERY GENERATION MUST LEARN THESE TRUTHS THE HARD WAY‼️😢
Dr. Peterson is illustrating that the unique to humans "ability to reason" is indeed a 2 edged sword that's used for evil more than it is for good.
You cannot say it enough; Communism and Faschisim (sic) is the same in it's outcome. Our struggle is on a personal level, what do we enable or who do we enable.
Only someone historically illiterate would believe that. All the great empires in history started out fascistic, but slowly declined when they began tolerating multi-racialism. Communism by contrast has been a massacre every single time it's been attempted. No comparison whatsoever.
And fyi: Jordan Peterson coauthored the UN migration compact, and decorated a large portion of his home with communist propaganda. Trusting this guy is gullible in the extreme.
Are you quoting someone? Why did you include [sic]?
@cyclicozone2072 maybe cause they can't spell it ?
WEF salutes you
When you say [sic] it means it's an intentional misspelling in a quote. If you don't know how to spell something you'd write fashchism [sp?].
This lets people know you're aware of your mistake.
Issues like identity politics and the outcomes those ideas, ideologies, have to be well known to the politicians that are pushing them. I don't know how that does not make those politicians traitors to the countries they server. The wealthy and the politicians, judiciary, and academia they own are creating chaos, purposefully.
And when it does happen....and doesn't work...how long is the road back?....and how many lives lost and poverty! We cannot let history keep repeating this!!!!!
For me and for so many others, Dr. Peterson is an extraordinarily positive addition to clarity of thought. His erudition and rigor are very helpful to those, like myself, who haven’t read all the books, had all those brilliant conversations with leading public intellectual, and, it must be recognized, treated all those presenting for psychotherapy, and seen al those crippling emotional/psychological traumas too many of us dismiss as irrelevant to how societies/cultures function. He offers a great deal of light on a wide variety of public/private problem.
However, while he has commented copiously on the depredations of Left woke extremism in the Academy and government, he has not been as forthright about the thuggish extremism of the Right. That is too bad.
My belief is that our social and political lives have been diminished by the immaturities of extremism, irrespective of its providence! Whether it is a lack of impulse control, magical thinking, lack of empathy for others or lack of resilience (hardiness), these developmental emotional immaturities are personal problems of adolescent adults, not failures of society, as many social failures as there may be.
The blame game, and its resultant tribalism may win elections, but we kick our larger problems down the road to the detriment of our children and their futures. It is past time to turn our critical lenses on ourselves, rather than on “the other!”
Marxism is a more immediate and real threat than Tribalism.
BOTH need to be dealt with, but the priority is Marxism. If that isn’t dealt with FIRST, we won’t survive to deal with the Tribalism.
While I agree that extremism from either the left ir right must be dealt with, the real threat at the moment isn’t coming from the right. It’s coming from the left.
Trump's win could be an extreme danger for democratic values, too.
The hardest thing to predict in Russia is the past. (😂 revised history).
So true
full off insight and truth. JP and Doug Murray seem appreciated down under. Bravo.
nailed it again , Jordan !
"The successful farmers took your lands - they drove your people onto unfertile land to scratch a living off rocks. Take back what's yours - burn every successful village!" - Saruman (paraphrased).
There are not enough of us “living the Mythologically Heroic life as an individual” ( by which he means “live a life of Faith and Morality) to offset the culturally corrosive life of the self now running rampant through the culture and the society.
Am I misunderstanding you completely? Did Jordan just not explain that prioritising the idea of the self is the cure to this madness? And that what's corroding this world is the whole idea of grouping people into identity boxes, stripping them of their individuality, of their responsibility to act on their own accord?
You can also quite easily see that "Faith and Morality" are far from being a good solution to our societies. Look at religious oppression; the crusades, the modern jihad... The only reason these happen (as well as politically/culturally/racially motivated battles) is exactly because the people behind them are not self-actualised, and would rather die in the name of their group identity (of faith and morality), without a care in the world for their own wellbeing or that of the individuals they are harming/killing.
Thank you for posting this important discussion.
I knew a first generation Ukrainian kulak, family was persecuted, had all the horror stories. He became a teacher for LAUSD and after that he sounded like the communists that persecuted his family. Human nature is strange.
In the beginning of the video, they talk about how the Soviets demonized the kulaks, and it ended in blood...
A few years after that, also in the 1930's, another guy (with a little mustache) did the same thing, to primarily 2 difference groups... the Jews, and the Slavs.
Everyone knows what happened with the first group.
The result of the second is less well-known as being a direct cause-and-effect, but it is... and that is how horribly brutal the fighting was on the Eastern Front during WWII.
At about the same time, the Imperial Japanese demonized "Yanks"... leading to THAT fighting being so brutal between the US and Japan... and again, everyone knows how that ended.
Then, much like the very first example, at the beginning of the video, Mao did the same thing with his own peasant farmers in China... leading to the same results... only about 10 times worse.
The process of making larger farms and eliminating smaller, less efficient ones also took place in the capitalist USA. Look up the Great Depression, Okies, and read the fictionalized account The Grapes of Wrath. Was it as bad..no. people weren't executed the state, at the behest of banks just used violence to kick farmers off the land their families had worked for generations.
“Carelessly compassionate.” Good one, Mr. Peterson.
THANKS BROTHER.
*All politics is identity politics. As a wh!te man, i will stop being identitarian when every other group stops as well. Until then, i live by the 14 w0rds.*
Peterson’s voice will become the most important over the next ten years.
I love how Jordan’s unit of inebriation is “cups of mead.” 😂❤
H. L. Mencken: "Whenever A annoys or injures B on the pretense of saving or improving X, A is a scoundrel.”
A strange paradox in society of wanting people to accept diversity on one side but calling for equality on the other ....
Peterson perfectly describes the course curriculum at Norfolk State “University”. Go take what’s yours. You’re entitled to it all.
Two concise and brilliant commentators
I’ve been saying this since 2016, it was obvious. All my “progressive” friends dropped me.
This reminds me of someone that was discussing the rise of communism in Europe, with communist flags flying in so many big cities around Europe, including Berlin. And no matter how much I think about this, I cannot imagine how Berlin has come to this. The Berlin wall fell nearly 35 years ago - within the life time of so many people in Germany - and they hail communism like if it hadn't absolutely destroyed East Germany a few decades ago.
The collective identity is always on a witch hunt, eh?
This fundamental premise has been around for the last few hundred years and has caused the vast majority of irrational mass misery in the world.
And we can now see it in harvard,MIT, Penn State,etc. The new intelligentsia.
Subbed. Any channel that has Jordan Peterson has my ear. Ty for sharing this & hearing his views. He speaks from his heart & I respect that. Kudos 👍
"Freedom loving Australia won't let that happen here." I call that the BUGS BUNNY ARGUMENT. Remember Bugs Bunny would say "Say, Doc. I'd never yank your ear, twist yer nose and stomp on your foot." All the while he's yanking, twisting and stomping.
But remember that General would say, "You might, rabbit. You might." It's EXACTLY what they will do if we aren't vigilant and are passified with soothsayers.
Canada didn’t try to shut up Jordan our PM Trudeau the tyrant did. JP is much loved by most Canadians, God Bless you Jordan!
Jordan’s looking and sounding super sharp
communism is not the reason for the decline of the west. zionism and neoliberalism are
I really appreciate this interview. Their perspective fleshed out in this articulate manner was intriguing to me. I found it thought provoking.
I've never ever seen a documentary on what Communism did to the Ukraine....i wonder why?
It's all about the Uniformity, Inequality, Exclusion, and Inaccessibility...
Exactly. Value is the concept we are working out together. Great conversation Thankyou.
That is what happened in Cuba, my country …
The comments counter says 44. Including suplimentary comment's there's are only 33. Gee that delete button is pretty sensitive.
Truth
Identity Politics - Thinking of people, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than individuals.
Thinking of people, first and foremost, as individuals rather than members of groups is a learned and perishable skill. Identity politics lets people think that they know more about people than they actually do because there are fewer groups than individuals.
When people are part of a group they can not think in a critical way. It's all emotion based. When alone individuals come up with ways to solve problems then they go to the group with a plan. When groups form without a plan you get chaos. Especially in times of civil unrest. Just look at people now. They can't even go to a sporting event or a music concert without many issues arising. People are so brainwashed by identity politics it is destroying our society.
My Mother born in 1931 with an 8th TOLD me The United States WILL FALL on day & it will be from Within!!! Yep!!!
African Americans comes to mind
Jordan will never admit that white people are the new kulaks. He's dishonest.
They’re useful idiots.
Why ??? Who created a world of discrimination based on race?
@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108 Tell me , All African tribes , all Asian tribes all European tribes , all native American tribes they all slaughtered and enslaved each other. , haha you are very ignorant or you just hate whites
@@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108 our common ancestors in Africa. It was a natural survival mechanism to regard other tribes and nations as non-human.
“Oh it’ll affect the bottom line..” yep, just ask Bob Iger.
Thanks John, Jordan. We need this said more often by public figures.
Reminds me of a quote from the bible "When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and for the foreigner residing among you. I am the LORD your God." Interesting that the law was to require people to turn in EVERY seed. Seems the devil is in the details even when people don't believe.
I’ve heard it said, “We’ll do it different this time.” A bunch of malarkey!!!
Every citizen of every country needs to make governments irrelevant and become self-reliant. We need to build communities that become our villages that support each other. Become independent and self-reliant as communities and let governments fall. We all must let go of government support and rise as independent citizens of this world. After all, we're ALL in it together no matter which country.❤
Here in India, identity politics had ruined harmony.
On a rate to 10 how much worse did it get? So far where I live in Europe, the internet feels like madness and reality feels alright. Except for politics and the upcoming violence in the cities.
Individualists will be rolled easily by tribal groups. Always have, always will. The only question you have to ask yourself, is do you want your people genocided or do you want them to survive and thrive.
Thanks guys. We need a word to describe the logical and manipulative misuse of categories and classifications. This is a large part of the basis of Marxism, etc. Groups can not possess basic individual attributes for the most part. Data analysts are familiar with this fallacy. Suggest "genophilia", but it's having a single term that is important, not the actual term.
Okay. We are ready.
Perfectly Explained…
“For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As the Scriptures say, “He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness.” 1 Corinthians 3:19
Dr. Peterson always brings his "A" game.
Two smart men, discussing the fall of our modern world. I hope you are all looking forward to being controlled more and more.
Calling Ukraine in early 1930's " a region pathetically unable to feed itself" is like calling jews in nazi Germany "people pathetically unable to protect themselves".
Ukraine could well feed itself, but USSR wanted to show the world how prosperous and great it was. Especially, in contrast to West, which was suffering the Great Depression. So, the Soviet soldiers were taking all of the harvested food to export it to US and Europe later. Those, who refused to give up their food, were executed.
That's what he meant, It was unable to feed itself AFTER the communists interfered.
During the famines the Soviet Union was exporting grain to the USA in exchange for industrial machinery.
Calling people starving to death pathetic is poorly worded but he's not saying it as an insult.
Well, they _were_ unable to protect themselves. Had they had arms, leadership, and the will to stand up against evil, the end result could have been different.
There's no virtue in being weak and powerless, and JP talks about this as well.
@@snowflakemelter1172 I think it's much better to say that the Ukraine was unable to feed itself BECAUSE the Soviets interfered.
"After", implies that it might be a simple correlation, or even a random coincidence, rather than the direct cause and effect that it actually was.
The language is crucial in this. Equality is a concept being weaponised. The egalitarian has a way of flipping into authoritarian expression and outcomes. It's almost as though policy implementation takes it there inevitably. Good to listen to this conversation. Thank you.
Jordan is jacked up on mountain dew. Love this guy. So intense.
he comes at you like a spider monkey
Jordan goin' after it like a spider monkey !
Peterson has never had an original thought in his life. He takes other peoples ideas and then expands on them.
God bless you Jordan. God speed.
"identity politics end in blood". could well be. we have seen it so very often: nationality is a kind of identity and nationalism is a kind of identity politics.
Reshaping the language. Example, Migrants instead of illegal aliens. And Influx instead of invasion.
Worth looking up the interview with Bertrand Russell where he talks about meeting Lenin here…
Not only does it support what JP said regarding the Kulaks, but is worse… Lenin laughed about doing it
The word Namaste implies recognizing the implicit value of the other individual - i.e. the Divinity in the other.
be careful speaking words of languages you don't understand. you may think a word means something, but might not be quite so didactic...
My Nepalese friends used as a simple hello
Not sure why you bring into this
@@andydunn5673 words are interpreted as "things" representative as such. however often condense much deeper and implied (but subtle) meanings ie; Altruism. Sounds all noble and well intentioned (and may be as well in the case of your friends) but, as in this video, the declared intention "to distribute wealth to the masses" mearly cloaked the thievery of a very few to amass unearned wealth (with, and through, the unsuspecting and unwitting masses). Yoga in the western mind is seen mostly as a form of physical exercise. whereas in truth it encompasses whole other political, religous, phylisophical and scientific dimensions. wherein the novice devotee subjugates themselves to a higher authority along the path to enlightenment. See yogi Ramasharaka: Eastern Philosophy and the Oriental Mind...sorry for spelling
@@andydunn5673 also if interested in Jordans videos, (as he is a learned fellow). I would suggest Ayn RAND; The Virtue of Selfishness. would likely convey a clarity I as a wholely uneducated class of 77, have been unable to relay...
With modern schooling, people don't think much, they "feel". As such they don't feel as the other person does have the same as they do. They are more important than others. Unless of course they can show off for some cause, in which case they're still making themselves better than the "poor people" that they claim to be doing something for. The other thing is that most of these people talk about their "rights" but never seem to mention the responsibility that comes along with it. They ignore it and act as if they have none.
Good luck with that vision Jordan but it's not how the West became free and prosperous. We all had countries, nations, that we belonged to, and each of them had archetypal identities that their citizens identified with. That's why the British used to say, when under duress abroad, "remember, we're BRITISH." It's what Churchill referred to when he talked about "our island race". It's natural, birds of a feather flock together, and the many divisions we now have in all Western societies make it virtually impossible for any sense of unity. Multiculturalism means we will continue to become estranged with other identities as the previously-dominant, legacy culture loses the status it enjoyed as the one that produced the peace and prosperity of the land. Your vision is new and is now necessary, but it's going to be extremely, extremely difficult to convince everyone to participate in it. Differences make differences in outcome, and that breeds resentment. The brave new world, produced by left-wing parties wanting a voter-base more likely to give them power, is going to be in increasing conflict until it breaks up. Your suggestion - imperative - is never going to happen in the real world of division. We are only at the beginning of the horrors of identity politics. The Kulaks were, after all, the same nationality, culture and appearance as their murderers. We're dealing with much much more to separate us than money alone.