The 180gr. was a round nose. The 150gr. Was a pointed soft point. That's why the shrapnel was poking all those small holes. Those two calibers are almost identical ballistic wise. They're both awesome calibers.
I think a lot of people get really hung up on the fact that the .30-06 dwarfs the .308 in size, but they forget that: 1) the .308 was designed to be a small action round with large action power. 2) 2 world wars passed between the development of these rounds and the technology increased leaps and bounds.
Ballistic coefficient measures a bullet’s ability to cut through the air - the higher the number, the less the wind resistance due to the shape of the bullet; hence, it’s ability to travel farther and retain more energy. Sectional Density is the measure to use when assessing a bullet’s ability to penetrate an animal. The higher the number, the greater the penetration. Great hunting bullets have a Sectional Density greater than .300; good hunting bullets have Sectional Densities in the neighborhood of .248-.299. The longer the bullet for a given caliber, the higher the Sectional Density. Longer means heavier. Heavier means the bullet can’t be propelled as fast. But again, the higher the SD the farther the bullet will penetrate once it hits the target. In other words - with bullets of identical construction and form factors a slow heavier bullet will penetrate farther than a fast lighter bullet. In this test the bullets were not of similar construction and their form factor (spire tip vs round nose) were very different. The spire point tip 150 grain bullet has a higher ballistic coefficient while the round nose 180 grain bullet has a higher sectional density. But the FORM FACTOR and internal construction of the bullets are so different that the test was kind of like comparing apple and oranges. Fun to watch but not really a valid test. One other thing to think about, however, is that meat damage with heavy slow bullets is typically a lot less than with faster lighter bullets. If hunting for meat is the goal, then use a heavy slow bullet. Anyhoo, an enjoyable video - as always!
Very well put. The reason I use 170 grain in my 30-30 is for sectional density. (and the proof up here is how they work compared to the 150s, on average, on deer) If I was using a high velocity round, I would chose the longest, heaviest bullet available to me. (if I did not have my woods gun) Unless i was shooting across valleys at pronghorn in big sky country of course. But most people today only talk velocity and energy. Then again, I suppose a lot of shooters today never hunted for meat on the table.
For those who didn't know it before the test learned that a spire point bullet will penetrate better than a soft point. Because 150 grain spire point ammo is available for both try testing them with the same type and weight ammo.
Years ago when I was still hunting deer with a Remington model 788, .308 caliber I had a brochure comparing the trajectory of a .308 vs 30-06 caliber at 500 yards. The bullet drop of the .308 was approximately 8" more at that distance than the 30-06, with lower but similar foot pounds at that distance. I think this is why the military chose the M-14 (.308/7.62) as a replacement for the M-1 (30-06), as the former is shorter than the latter and that meant the shorter .308 round could load slightly faster than the longer 30-06 round.
My favorite, growing up in Montana (hunting deer and elk regularly) was the .308 -- mostly because that's what I had. When I was in Viet Nam, I noticed that the .308 equivalent (7.62) would drop a human equally well, which just reinforced my opinion about it being more than adequate for hunting game. Snipers preferred the 06, since they often shot their "targets" at a much farther distance. Since I rarely was lucky enough to hunt moose or bears, I didn't need the larger (and more powerful) 30-06. My brother had an 06, and it didn't bring down large game any better than my .308. The ammunition for the 06 was more expensive though...
Sometimes the same bullet will penetrate less when loaded to faster velocity, because it expands faster. In this test, the .30-06 bullet had a large round nose that started drag before any expansion at all! Similar to the Woodleigh bullets I loaded for .338 Win Mag; lots of power but not all that much penetration. I set ten milk jugs like bowling pins, with a space between them equal to the size of a jug, to see if I could knock them all over. A .30-06 did slightly better in this test too! Both bullets made a huge mess of the milk cartons, but not all were knocked over!
The difference between 308 and 30-06 depends on the propellant used. If using faster burning rifle powders, the 308 and 30-06 are virtually the same when it comes to performance. The 30-06 will propel equal bullets faster when using slower burning powders because of the higher case capacity. The pressures for both cases are almost the same.
If using different bullets, it starts turning into apples and oranges. You had it right the first time. To compare the two cartridges, use same bullets. Too bad the 180 didn't have the same shape as the 150. The lighter and couple hundred fps slower went further due to bullet shape. The 180 expanded more, but the larger exposed lead nose would account for that.
With the same bullet weight my friend you're wrong. If you have the same grain bullet in the same shape bullet the hot 6 isn't dumping more energy on the cinder block at 20 yards. After 200 yd it's hard to tell the difference between the two. I love my hot sex and my 308 but the 308 is inherently more accurate and I've seen elk and moose dropping their tracks at 100 yards with a 308 at shop placement. The 30 ought six people make me laugh.
@@josephmallard9053 don't take that back. it made your comment so much more entertaining 😄. it did throw me for a loop for a second before I got it lol
I've used both .308 & .30-06 for deer & elk. Either caliber, in any standard weight, will easily be enough for big game. Accuracy is the more important factor. With my .30-06, I used 150 grain because that's what my rifle & my shooting ability worked best with...downed many miles deer & Rocky Mountain Elk. The .308 shot better with a 168 grain. Point is, anything you want to hunt will drop with a 150 grain just as easily as a 180 or larger.
I know a lot people in Alaska like to use 165 grain and bigger for 30 06. I dont what grains people use in 308 to hunt large game but people use that one in Alaska too.
I've shot both 308 and 30-06 , I still have the Savage model 110 30-06 my dad gave me before he died. Truthfully I've liked both calibers, it just depends on what you're shooting at .
I've used a 303 British a 30-06 Springfield a 7mm-08 Remington and a 350 Remington Magnum... funny thing is... the deer couldn't tell the difference! PS... everyone knows the aught 6 is a big game killer... it don't like jugs or being compared to the 308 Winchester... ;)
I use to have a favorite deer rifle, that was a 25-06, over the years I’ve tried other deer rifles, 308, 30-30, 243, 338, 223, 35 Rem, 257 Roberts, I found out I don’t need a favorite deer rifle, they all worked just wonderful, I guess if you put that bullet in the right place they’re all a great gun….Great video Who_Tee_Who….
It really don't take a lot of gun to kill a deer ! I'M 70 PLUS YEARS OLD AND FROM A FAMILY WHO WERE HUNTERS THERE ENTIRE LIVES ! That was the Basic meat we ate ! when I first started had a .35 Remington my Dad had a 30-30 and my mom used a 44-40 lever action ! Those guns put down hundreds of deer ! We had venison year round and I would bet we never had any get away ! Its all in shot placement on a thin skinned animal !
My great grandfather in New Brunswick, Canada, was a hunting guide for over 50 years. He only used a 30-30 Winchester lever. He joked that all the deer he shot with 30-30, were lined up head to tail would measure over 60 miles.
i would love to own a Henry or Winchester!!! Even a Marlin would be nice! I want me one of them there Cowboy guns! i would love one in 308 but they dont look like cowboy guns since they are not tube fed! All the true cowboy guns in the movies looked like they had two barrels because of the tube magazine! They just says a cowboy gun to me!But i will have a nice lever action with in the next year! I have several guns on my bucket list for 2020! Im hoping some ofthe 2019 guns i really wanted drop in price this year to make them available for my price range?Also looking into a new chassis for my savage axis in 6.5CM so a lot on my wish list for this year! lol go big or go home i say!LOL
There is nothing wrong with the 30-30. Also the sks has about the same if not more range and punch. The sks box said All deer, Antalope and Black Bear. I had one. Still kick myself for selling it. I paid $100 for it still in the box. All gooped up from packaging. China.
Both of my 06s preferred 180s. I was raised on 06 and I love the round. I rarely took an animal past 100yds. I used to shoot black powder with a traditional .50 or a .25-35 lever gun in brush, and besides the stalk was always my favorite part of the hunt. The 06 was my most used over the years.
Great expansion on both. I've found that with hunting ammo expansion is proportional to velocity. It could be that the velocity of the 30-06 was slower with the heavier bullet and therefore with a slower velocity penetrated less. That said, we didn't have a chronograph to check that.
To regress a bit to one of your other videos, the .270 is my cartridge of choice, main reason - recoil, secondary reason, penetration. Shot an elk and the bullet went through and lodged against the hide on the opposite side.
One of my favorite "deer rounds" is a .12 gauge slug. In combo with my reddot, they never get up after that... 😂 Btw, 2 world wars won & 114 straight years of military and hunting use says the .30-06 isn't going anywhere... Use what makes you happy-- I just find I like putting zombies down a little further out... 😵 Btw, I have a question for everyone: *Would you rather hunt bear with a .308, or a .30-06?* I'm pretty sure THAT is what really tells the tale... fwiw
This is all about delivered energy. This test you can tweak to any result, by altering the different inputs. Bullet weight, speed, distance, bullet brand, etc etc. The 30-06 and .308W has a overlapping potential, but you can make the 30-06 shoot a little straighter, or use a heavier bullet, and thereby deliver more energy into the game. (Faster velocity does the same). Both are plenty good enough in most circumstances. You just need to know the limitation of your self and the gear. Most often the shooter is the real limit.
@s d That's a too generally claim, and I suspect it to be hard to back up. You can make the 308W go shitty, just as easy as the 30-06, if you play around with the load. My experience is that they both have way more than good enough precision for normal hunting and shooting. The rifle, the load of the cartridge, and the shooters skill, is way more important for accuracy than the shape and volume of the two cartridges.
@s d Those arguments will I not argue against. :-) Even the "perfect cartridge" in the "best" rifle, is inferior if it doesn't fit the shooter. If the "feel" of the rifle is wrong, then you are better off without it.
“Or small game to if you wanted to.” I remember that Nosler 180GR Ballistic Tip at a rabbit... Never have I see guts and blood fly 15’ into the air before, that day I did. The 30.06 Springfield is my rifle, and slightly more versatile and more efficient with the heavier bullets. The .308 Winchester is a very efficient round though, cost effective, and adequate for large game, all while using less powder, producing less recoil and using a shorter action. Both are great!
If they are concerned about recoil, they aren't shooting a 308. Also, old heavy 30-06 and similar calibered guns don't hit nearly as hard as my new black synthetic stock 308
Saying that, I love both calibers and I think simply saying one caliber is better than any other is stupid. It all depends on what your shooting at and your purpose, situation, interests, skill, etc.
Recently I've picked up a new Remington 700 in 25-06 for my new deer rifle. Great 'lil cartridge with low recoil, shoots fast and flat great for long distance plinking as well. Granted most of my shots on bucks will be in the range of 200-300 yards or closer but it's fun to shoot out to 850+yards with it!!!
The .308 is under-rated as a large game round. It is best with the 165 / 168 gn Projectiles although I use 140gn SP for most of my hunting. Absolutely great medicine for even the large Reds. The relatively light recoil of the.308 compared to it's hitting power makes it easy to place shots for maximum effect.
I use a .30-06 because that was the first deer rifle I bought 40 years ago and it works great, still using it. I got a $99 cva .50 cal and a $50 scope 20 years ago,it still puts deer on the ground. My farthest kill shot is 145 yards and did that shot with the muzzle loader in a fresh clear cut . I usually hunt the thickest areas I can find in the ozark national forest .
Great channel. Check out “Rifle Chair” from Canada. He lives in Northern BC. He’s said exactly the same thing: a slower, heavier bullet is better for hunting. His personal fav is the .30-06 A lot of the older Canucks still hunt with Lee Enfield .303 Mark IV !! The Canadian Rangers used the LE Mark IV until about 5 years ago ( Yukon / NWT ) because it stops everything and easy to clean in frigid Arctic winters. Keep shooting !
My favorite caliber is the 30-06 because of the rich American history and the versatility of the cartridge. I have also hunted with a 30-06 for 25 years for deer, bear and Elk. It is a great cartridge out to 450 yards for me with a 180 grain bullet. I just bought a Browning X-Bolt Stalker Long Range last season with a 26" barrel for a little more velocity and long range accuracy. I took a beautiful chocolate colored black bear at 301 yards and a BIG 3x3 mule deer at 253 yards.
Cool video but this guy is right. As soon as you don't use the same bullet the results could go anywhere. Weight retention, rate of expansion, it all makes a difference to penetration.
My favorite is the daisy wrist rocket with a. 25 caliber steel shot at 10 ft or my 130 pound pull cross bow at 25 yards. They get the job done and quietly!
You can use 180gr bullets in 308 also. You just might have to hand load those. They aren't real common. They are usually 150 or 165. Also you might want to keep in mind what is recommended for the twist rate of your barrel.
My hunting rifle is a 2006 Remington 700cdl. Went that way to honor the 100th anniversary of the cart, and my family has owned Remington firearms for over a century. Mine really likes Federal 180gr cheap ammo, shooting 2/3rds of a MOA out to about 330 yards (As far as the range in Fairbanks goes) For handloads, Sierra game king 168gr leaving the barrel at just under 3k fps seems to be its preferred pill. Forget the powder charge, unfortunately. Some of the 200 gr roundnose fire well out of it, but I've never found anything heavier that I was happy with. And being able to pick up a cheap box of federal and get sub MOA accuracy is just so nice. I do own a .308. Specifically I own a Saiga .308 with a 16.5" barrel. It eats anything I feed it, and turns heads at the range. :)
My Favorite is a 25-06 used it deer hunting and chuck hunting and was able to bring an elk down no problem never hunted bear but think results would be close to elk maybe :)
Yes you’re absolutely correct the 308 will not shoot 180 grain bullet as fast as the 30 out six can shoot the 180 grain bullet The 30 odd six starts to shine at 180 grains in comparison with a 308 but the 308 is much better suited for < 168 Grains. With that being said this is the perfect match up I wish she would’ve used the same brand of ammunition and bullet type! Now I’m going to finish watching the video!
Yes if you used both 150 grain bullets then the only fair comparison would be to compare the two rounds using 180 grain same style of bullets,by the same manufacturer
The neck of a 308 is a bit shorter which puts a limit on bullet length. The 06 had a longer neck which is conducive to longer bullet design Longer bullets have a better ballistic coefficient which is necessary for longer shots. Think of it this way:: if you had a rock and an arrow or spear that weighed the same and you threw them which would go further. A soft ball can be thrown about 300 ft. That's 30 yards. On the other hand a football can be thrown 70 yards. It in the shape of the projectiles.
Who te. The 308 was designed for the M 14 rifle and the M 60 machine guns for the army. Comparing the length of the cartridges you will notice that the 308 is shorter. That means a shorter bolt which travels a shorter distance between shots resulting in the gun being able to fire more rounds per minute. However, the volume of the 308 being shorter has almost the same volume for powder as the 30-06. Velocity of the 308 is just a bit less than the 06. If you look at bullet mfg ballistics you will see it isn't much. Because the body of the 308 is much fatter than the 308 bullet the neck has to have a sharper angle. The result is that this difference slows down the burning rate of the powder which enables all of the powder to be burned. That does not happen in the 06. This consistent burning rate of the 308 makes it more accurate than the 06. The 22-250 cartridge and the credmore cartridges also have similar construction. I had a 22-250 that put 3 rounds in the same hole at 100 yrs. For a while the 308 was used as a sniper cartridge in Afghanistan with confirmed kills beyond 1 000 yards. While it is true that you should use the same bullet weight your demonstration showed that both cartridges preformed very similar. A deer rifle bullet under best conditions should not leave the body of the game. Why. All bullets have Entergy. So if the bullet design enables all the energy it has to remain in the animal it will do more damage and the deer is not going anywhere. Conversely, a heavy bullet that goes right through the deer is not going to release all of its energy in the deer. The bullet is taking its energy with it when it leaves the deer's body. True story. I was getting a haircut and a 16 year old boy shot 2 ...8 point bucks with the same bullet. The 2 buck were running side by side and the bullet passed through the body of the closest deer into the second deer. Ironically both were shot through the heart. And the kid had pictures for proof. He used a 30-06 180 grain bullet. When I was 18 I listened to my peers who all used 270s. So I bought a 270. I have never had an exit wound with it. I use a 130 grain bullet at 3,400 feet per second as choreographed. That bullet explodes. In deer. Oh both cartridges use a bullet with the same diameter of .308 in. It would be interesting to view your results of your experiment using the same weight bullets. One last thing each manufacturer has patent on its bullet design and the performance will be different between companies. Try if you can to use bullets from the same company. Nice job.
30-06 shines in hand loads and is the most versatile round in existence. 180gr is too heavy for deer at most ranges and likely passed right through the deer without expanding, although this has a lot to do with bullet choice as well. I wouldn't and don't use anything heavier than 165gr bullets and have no issues.
@s d well I read a lot about the 270 from a guy who wrote for Outdoor Life. Jack O"Conner. He killed every animal in North America including all bears. I know for sure that the 270 is more accurate than the 06 and the 308 also is more accurate than the 06. Accuracy is helped along because of the difference of the difference in diameter of the cartridge body and the neck. Observe the 22-250. The 65 creedmore, the 308, the Remington and Winchester short 300 magnums. All have fat bodies and marrow necks. All are very accurate. One reason I like the 270 is the flat trajectory. 7mm Remington mag shoots a bit flatter and has a stronger recoil as well. 7mm mag is a good choice for western states. However, in partially wooded areas the 270 works well. I believe I mentioned that I never had an exit wound with a 270 on white tails using 130 grain bullet. For larger game 270 can be had with a 150 grain factory. And if you reload a 170 grain bullet is available. What I noticed is that basically the 270 out shines the 06 when using lighter bullets and the 06 is better with heavier bullets. Speed in ballistics means more energy when the bullet hits game. A huge.poimt One year when hunting whitetail with about 3 inches of snow on the ground a dear came across my line of sight. It was bounding and I took a shot as it leaped into the air. When I found the tracks in the snow I followed them and came to the spot where the deer made its last bound. Tracks disappeared. How could that be. Well I looked around and found the deer laying 9 feet away from where I shot it. You see, I hit the deer when it was in the air and it flew sideways 9 feet before it hit the ground. My friend, that is a lot of energy that caused the deer to fly sideways 9 feet. I was amazed. Now, I doubt it very much if an 06 or 308 could do the same. More than likely the bullet would have passed right through with out releasing all of its energy. Saw a film about a hunter who shot a bull moose with an 06 at 50 yards 5 times in the heart area. The moose just stood there and looked at him. He reloaded and fired the 6th round. Then the moose collapsed. I could see the hairs move on the moose. He had a great shot group using 180 grain bullet. 180 grain on an 06 is potent. You see the 270 is a very flat shooting cartridge..if zeroed in correctly the drop in flight might be 2 1/2 inches or so. Which means that I could sneak a bullet through s hole in the scrubs or branches of about 2 inches or less out to 250 yards. You would need a hard recoiling magnum to do that. So. Why suffer.
You are right i shot a smaller doe with a Winchester model 70 .308 went right thru the long ways thru the ribs and out the back thigh lucky it died in a river 25 ft away bad gut shot my dad always bought me 180 grain after that i never used them again for Whitetail. With the same gun my Gpa shot a buck a doe both dropped on the spot always about shot placement.
@@jmkhenka My dad was a sniper in WW II AND He had a special rifle and ammunition made especially for snipers. He said he could drive tracks with it. A military rifle is considered accurate if it has less than a 3 inch group at 100 yards. My m14 grouped 3 inches at 100 yards and I hit 20 for 20 at 500 meters. 540 yards. Sniper rifles had match grade barrels. Scopes were special and were programmed for specific amo. They could be adjusted way pass 1k yds. My buddy's m14 had a 1/2 inch group at 100 yards. Most of my shooting was less than 75 yards, so I was ok. So. Accuracy depends on the rifle. I met a guy at the range who bought a surplus M1 Garand 30-06. He had the action worked over and put on a new match grade barrel. He was getting less than 1/2 in groups at 100 yards with Remington 30-06 amp.
You called it. Major factor is bullet design/construction for doing what it is intended for. Have used both but now use 25-06 and even that is more than enough when using the right bullets.
The only advantage to using the 30-06 is for the handloader. The 308 and 30-06 are both 30 Cal and you can handload anything in the 308 brass that you can load in the 308. The advantage is the larger brass holds more propellant.
Most really hot loads for 30-06 the case is less than half full and has the same weight of powder as 308 with the same muzzle velocity. It may surprise you that heavier projectiles use less powder and have higher chamber pressure than lighter projectiles. Hot loads are extremely inaccurate. An experience hand loader will get about the same performance from 308 and 30-06 at safe chamber pressure and with good accuracy.
@@jimjohnson8864 are you nuts? most hot 30-06 loads I shoot are compressed powder charges-I have never loaded a 30-06 case half full of any powder. If the 308 is as powerful as a 30-06 then why are the 30 magnums any more powerful?
Been shooting a Remington 270 BDL for 32 years and killed LOTs of deer with it, never once did I regret having bought that gun. I feel like I'm one with it
When you become ‘one with your gun’ you need to seek help, lol. This is when your wife will leave you and your dog will begin to eye you suspiciously. Turn to alcohol, potato chips, anything, but don’t become another ‘gunnie’.
Me too. Jack O’Connor wrote a lot of good stuff about the 270 if your interested. The 270 uses a necked down 30-06 case so the 270 uses the same amount of charge as a 30-06. Shoots so flat.
Wyman Shermanduster: I sold my last rifle for a wife who didn’t like guns, and man! great bang for the buck, so to speak, lol. Sure do miss that gun though.
The extra 30 grains may have slowed down the 30-06 to where the .308 had equal or greater velocity. On the other hand the 30-06 also expanded more than the .308 transfering energy quicker.
How is an identical grain bullet comparison "unfair?" I've hunted with both 308 and 30-06. Both did its job. I traded off the 308 for a Winchester 94 lever action 357. Kept the 30-06. Both are good hunting calibers and in my opinion, more gun than needed for whitetail. Also in my personal opinion, any 30 caliber rifle, within it's effective range, will take any game on the North American continent with the proper ammo and shot placement.
All of what you said is hard to argue with and is simple wisdom for hunters. The only thing I would add is it is never a bad thing to "overkill" so the .308 and 06 are dynamite for whitetails with any bullet of 125gr and above. And shot placement has always been and should always be our paramount concern as hunters.
All i know is i want a long range rifle i can reach out to a mile with and still have terminal velocities ......For deer hunting as well as long range comps!cant make up my mind? was looking at 338Lap but idk?
I have been hung up on single shot rifles since I was a kid. The ruger no1 and the browning 78 are my favorite rifles for any hunt. The 45-70 no1 is the one I grab most often
@@tater357 I love mine. Now one thing, for some reason it shoots DIRTY. Swab it every 20 rounds or so. It doesn't have the range of an 06, but under 300 it hits like a hammer.
I have to say, from what I understand between the two rounds not so much as different brands( though that could have factors in it) is that this test should be carried out at minimal distance of 100 yards. I think you would see different results. I myself prefer and hunt with the 7mm mag and why is just because I’m comfortable with it and it’s what works for me.
One day you'll go into the field with a 6.6x55 and, maybe to your surprise, everything you point it at will fall over. And you notice, too, that you have experienced negligible recoil, and damaged far less meat. I went from a .270 to a .308 and then to the super accurate 6.5x55. It's a blissful round. Unless you're into the recoil and macho bark of a 30-06, or are worried about being considered a pansy with the lighter rifle, you will love that round, and be pissed that you've hauled around too much gun for too many years. Try one. There are a lot of huge moose in Scandinavia who might have told you I'm giving good advice, but they can't 'cos they're dead from a dose of 6.5x55.
Hunt on a family owned farm in West Virginia, heavily covered in trees, and heavy brush. Have been using my .35 Remington for 45 years, and have always had great success ! My definition of a "brush gun" !
I love my .280 Remington ! Because it’s the perfect compromise between the .270 and the .30-06 ( it shoots just as flat as the.270 utilizing heavier bullets and hits just as hard as the .30-06 with better BC’s ) But you know what ? I’m really liking your .450 bushmaster videos, I’m itching to get me one real soon .
@@johnsadler8637 That 760/ 7600 slide action is a great platform for hunting especially in close cover situations, it’s quick and well balanced, very reliable and a great performer. I’ve been trying to get ahold of one of the BWB ( Big Woods Bucks ) edition 7600 pump actions , but it’s chambered in .35 Whelen . An excellent elk , bear , moose and whitetail cartridge. My .280 Remington is in a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight, really nice handling and smooth cycling action with astonishing accuracy. But I definitely like the 760/7600 pump actions , the legendary Remington slide action is the industry’s standard for that platform.
@@NorthwoodsNomad I discovered that, if you cycle the action before the echo from the shot stops bouncing around the valleys (western Ozarks), the deer don’t notice it or can’t locate it. It helped I grew up hunting quail with a 1912 Winchester pump, so cycling the pump was second nature back then.
This goes into the account that the design of the bullet is more important than weight. The 180 grain in the 30-06 looks like a more rounded bullet, perhaps semi-spitzer, where as the 150 grain 308 bullet was a Spitzer. Roundnose bullets open up faster than Spitzer bullets. You should try maybe a Nosler partition bullet if you want maximum penetration.
I LOVE my dads .308 savage model 99f. 53 years old. I have a 30-06 but his .308 feels so comfortable. I decided to use it to hunt with instead of my 30-06 this year cause I want more range time and need to adjust it a bit. But I had never shot his .308 idk what it is it just feels so good in my hands, im so comfortable with that rifle.
My comment is late, but here's my take. The 30-06 burst the first 3 jugs stronger than the 308. This was because the 30-06 mushroomed more (considerable more cross-section) and so passed its higher energy faster (pushing more water) resulting in a similar track length. Or in other words, the energy of the 30-06 is greater but its mushroomed drag is also greater. So a soft target would be more shredded by a 180g 30-06 than a 150g 308 at close range.
30 - 06 is going to be off from what it should because it's a round nose SP and not a PSP like the 308 ammo. But the SP is a good brush round for deer I used it a lot in my 30-06 back in day in 180 grain Remington core lokt when it was readily available and sold side by side with the typical PSP. Back then all the typical calibers in the core lokt had the SP and PSP same grain together in the popular grains as well. 30-06 for example was the 150 165 and 180 grain
I went from a 280 witch is close to a 7-mag to a custom made RUM with a sendero with muzzle-break barrel. Love it had way less deer loss in the woods with the .30vs7mm. Have had the gun 20+ year's. Don't hunt much anymore got old. Like to see the water jug test with a RUM!! The win mag is good but I think the RUM is a little more of a bad-ass!!
My favs are all that go bang. No seriously 30/30 , 257 Roberts, and 25-06 are my top 3 picks, I’m trying the 308, and 30-06 and hopefully 223 in an Ar platform in the future depending on wether they make it legal to use semi autos in PA. Recycling done wright.
I use to own a 308 but got rid of it, needed the money in my younger years. Now shooting a 30.06 1903 springfield sporter.. I like both rounds but I am much more accurate with the 30.06 than I was with the 308. I dont know why, could be the rifle.. But when it comes down to it,, being on the receiving end of either one would be a very bad day.
Different makes of bullets will give results that aren't truly apple to apple because bullets are all designed and manufactured differently. In this test they both would do the same identical job. A 180 grains Nosler Partition or a 165 grains Barnes would penetrate substantially more. A round nose is going to expand fast in general. Fun test to watch anyway. Thank you for all the effort you put up.
The largest 30.06 bullet I have found and used to hunt deer is a Remington 220 grain. I believe I bought it at Academy Sports or Bass Pro Shop. I hunted Axis with this 220 grain bullet, and I got a shot at a trophy buck, but I believe I had a clean miss. I never found him. He was in a river bed bedding and he got up up at about 60-70 yards away from me and started to walk very fast. I took the shot. I think I did not calculate for the path of the bullet shooting that close. I never found any blood or him:(
Not in the hunting world it was made to replace the 30 06 in the military world. 308 short action for faster follow up shots less weight more ammo. Dnt get me wrong i love the 308 for hunting. Its what i use. I will agree the 308 is also more accurate. 308 nd 270 my favorites😁
The most violent water jug damage I have ever experienced was with a 257 Wby Mag 80 (something) gr. bullet launched at nearly 4000 fps...It vaporized the water and there was nothing but a few small pieces of water jug left, never did find the cap!!! It was stunning!
Hello, thank for these experiments. They are very intriguing. Something to consider. If you were use a chronograph during your series testing to gather additional data, I believe you will come to more accurate conclusion. Finally, it would make the test even that much more accurate if you were to use the same type of ammunition. Thank you
I believe in this case the drag from the extra expansion of the 30-06 slowed it down faster than the 308. More power dump, but less penetration. It would be interesting to see to what extent the additional bullet weight influences the exiting velocity and ballistics of these rounds. Another point of interest would be ideal barrel length for each caliber to get the most boogie for your buck.
The reality is the larger bullet expanded more and was going faster. It put much more energy into the target quicker. They are not super penetrating round but dispersing energy/shock force rounds. You will need a partitioned bullet for penetration.
Dad hunt's with a Browning blr .308. He uses 180 gr power point bullets. I was always bothered by how far his deer ran off after being shot. I think a lighter bullet might be more affective. I might have to borrow the gun and try it out.
The soft tips are best for hunting I believe. They impact and start with a large entry and smaller exit because the soft tip transfers alot of energy into the 1st thing it hits then the jacketed part is able to continue on through.
Peter Hathaway Capstick tells the story of an old African man that he knew had dropped to bull elephants with a .22 LR. The placement was a spot in the head. Nonetheless, the 22 made it’s way into the cranial vault through hide and a pathway that allowed it to not have to work against the pachyderm’s massive skull. Placement is everything!
Two different manufacturers, different loadings, and different bullet constructions/shape. Velocities could be vastly different despite the 30.06 Springfield’s greater case capacity. Also the Herters ammo has a very large surface area in comparison to that Winchester Super X “pointed” soft point bullet. I’d like to see FMJ comparisons, or at least some quality Nosler Accubonds and maybe even the 190GR Accubond Long Range thrown into the mix. I think both the .308 Winchester and the 30.06 Springfield are amazingly practical for hunting North America. Differences are negligible, just pick what YOU prefer. I’m a fan of the 30.06 Springfield, it’s nostalgia and history is pretty inspiring.
Thanx for a great demo. Between a 308/150 grain bullet vs a 3006/180 grain bullet. I prefer using my 308 mossberg bolt rifle here in Alabama. Dave Thompson
I dont think after reading comments on some of your 30-06 vs 308 videos that people even realize they are basically the same. The military wanted a round with the same capability as the 30-06 but in a shorter version, so now we have the 308 and in most cases if you have the same bullet and weight,and gun you will get only around 100 fps out of the 30-06 and therefore the same results from both. The only advantage the 30-06 has over the 308 is you can find more bullet weight options.
WHO_TEE_WHO Oh I know it's all in good fun. I just think it's funny how some people get so upset over which gun or caliber is better. I am new to your channel only been watching about a week but I'm really enjoying them, and I appreciate how appreciative you are to your viewers. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for watching! Greatly appreciated. I noticed that not many ppl had created fun/type videos comparing the 30 cal rifles so I made quite a few of them.
I just saw as I was going through your videos that your from TN, and I live in Lawrence county TN. So howdy neighbor. I also just watched the video of the song you wrote for your son, and I just want to say I'm sorry for your loss and I wish this had never happened to you but you did a beautiful job with writing the song. I'm 6' 5" and about 290 pounds and not one bit ashamed to say you broke me down and made me cry like a baby. My heart goes out to you and your family. I know the comments section is not meant for back and forth like we are texting or something so this will be it for me tonight. I also just realized I haven't even subscribed yet so I will be doing so at 10:40 dont ask why cause I have this weird thing about having to do things at a certain times.
I don't have my favorite deer rifle anymore I had a marlin 336 microgroove it was my favorite because I bought it myself it was chambered in 30-30 I fired a 35 Remington marlin and if I remember right the 30-30 went through 7 milk jugs
The longest deer I ever killed was in a clear cut goin up the side of a mountain at 300 yards with a 243 it ran about 50 yards down the mountain then dropped was with my grandpa was my 5th deer ever at the time
243 is excellent cartridge, parent cartridge is 308. 243 does not have the energy of a 308 at 300 yards but it is more accurate. A well placed shot with a 243 at up to 400yds can be just as effective as a 30 caliber. 25-06 another excellent cartridge is almost the 30-06 version of 243
Savage model 110 in 30-06 with a bushnell banner 3- 9x50 scope... because it was free. My uncle gave it to me when he retired from hunting due to a bad knee and hip.
because with 150 grains, the 308 and 30-06 are almost ballistically identical. but bring that up to 165 grain or even 180 grain in both rifles, the 30-06 runs away with it.
Did you ever stop to ask the question 'if the 30-06 is such a great round why does every military sniper in the world use every other round before they get to that one?' .308 win, .300 win mag, .338 lapua mag, 50BMG i mean where is the 30-06? Again shoot what you like and be great with it.
The 150-155 grain bullit is an optimal weight for the 308 caliber using standard ammo. A 165 grain Bullit in the 30-06 might of done better with a higher velosity- more optimal weight for that caliber in my opinion. By comparing different calibers & bullit weights- your getting into the nity-gritty of ballistics. Love my 308 because it accurate, short action, moderate recoil, & with 165 grain high performance ammo will get the job done.
My favorite deer rifle is a Marlin 336C in 35 rem. Shoot 180 and 200 grain. My only complaint is penetration. Being in the north east need a brush gun as thick and hi velocity doesn't work well.
300 win mag I really have a soft spot for. However my 338 win mag has shown some impressive take downs. My first rifle was a 30.06 which I did not get to use enough to really compare. So due to the fact of a drought on ammo, and the price hike if you do find ammo, I'm looking for a rifle that is easy on the pocket book and excellent on accuracy and elk and black tail and black bear out to 400 yards. So roughly 1200 ish foot lbs of energy at 400 yards or more. What would you suggest.
The flip side is, the 30 06 dumped a lot more energy and concussion, in the same amount of space as the 308. It may kick a bit harder, but considering the added shock and just plain old knock down power, I'll take the 30 06 every time.
if more power is important to you then you should go with 300 win mag or some similar magnum cartridge. The difference in 308 to 30-06 is so small it's negligible in real world hunting situations
30-06 weatherby 163 grain noslers and a 270 wsm browning bar 140 grain noslers are my two deer rifles. The wife loves using the 30-06 so I use the wsm lol great video
My favourite is the British .303. Bought it at 16 years old because it was cheap. My uncle was sighting in his 300 win mag with scope while I was chopping wood. I went and got my .303 open sights.... Walked up and shot target dead centre first shot at 100 yards from free standing position. Every year I bag a deer 1 shot. In fact last year I shot 2 deer with 1 shot. Hilarious how every year people are wasting ammo trying to sight guns in. My uncle asked my dad once if he was going to come out to sight his gun in before the hunt. He replied.... No, Its a .303, I sighted it 50 years ago when I shot my first moose. My brother shot a buck at 280 yards with .303 open sights from a standing position. They are reliable and accurate guns.
I think this would have been a better test had you used same brand of ammo and what was the muzzle velocity of these two rounds. I have both calibers and load my own but I find better results with 165 gr BTSP in 3006 and 150 gr in 308 at 2600 fps for both. enjoyed your effort.
I like the Winchester 1894 Big Bore in 375 Winchester. If you hunt where your shots will be on the order of 100 yards or less, this single rifle/cartridge combination is good for deer and larger game that happen to wander through. By no means the only rifle and cartridge to use, and the ammunition is both difficult to find and expensive in recent years, but together they make an effective tool.
The 30-06 of past service was DOWN loaded from the commercial spec 30-06 we buy today. In fact, it was downloaded to about the same velocity as...... .308 Winchester! The only thing more retarded than 30-06 is .270win. Why the fuck would anyone think a projectile that is a whopping 0.030" of an inch less in diameter is somehow a magical round? Have a look at 30-06 and .270win ammo of the same bullet weight and design from the same manufacturer. Their velocities are identical and thus their kinetic energy is identical. The difference is that .270 is much more limited in bullet weights, and is not nearly as common as 30-06. If I had to pick, the parent cartridge 30-06 is the far better choice. .308win is superior to both of those calibres.
I’ve used a 30-06 rifle since 1972 to deer hunt with and have killed close to 200 deer with it . I’ve always used the 150 grain Remington all those years . I’ve found that bullet placement is the best way to kill a deer . I’ve used a Remington 243 rifle also to kill deer and there again bullet placement did the trick . I’ve never lost a deer with it . I’ve use a Marlin 30-30 and killed deer the same way . So it really doesn’t matter what caliber rifle you use to a point , you have to place the bullet in the kill zone . You don’t shoot a deer at 150 yards running wide open because you can’t place the bullet where you want it . I’ve killed a few deer at or over 300 yards but they were standing still broadsided feeding down a shooting lane that was planted with winter wheat and oats . Scouting the place where your going to hunt and finding the best place to put your deer stand where the deer naturally travel and feed and be patient will give you the best advantage to kill a deer . Wait till you can get a good killing shot before you shoot . If there’s any doubt whether you can kill it or not then don’t shoot . Be patient and you will get another chance . Of course you have to practice and sight in your rifle before you go hunting . This is from 48 years of rifle deer hunting experience . Before that I used a shotgun to deer hunt with . I didn’t kill very many deer with a shotgun though . It wasn’t until I got my Remington 30-06 that I started killing deer every year consistently . I’m 73 years old now and most older deer hunters know this . I don’t know if it still is but in Louisiana it used to be legal to use the 22 caliber rifle to deer hunt . There’s been many deer killed with a 22 caliber rifle but there again it takes bullet placement . Enjoyed your experiment with the 30-06 and 308 rifles . I shot the 308 in the M-14 military rifle when I was in the army and loved it .
Great comparison. I'd be curious to see the performance of the .308 and .30-06 in the same bullet weight using factory loads, and the same with handloads. It will be argued that the handloads will be better performing, but how much better.
When I saw the 2 bullets you were using I assumed the 180 grain would do exactly what it did. Heavy weight round nose bullets were designed for short range maximum impact by expanding rapidly not distance and penetration. Note the larger diameter of the 180 grain.
You might like to measure the increase in diameter between the two rounds before and after hitting the jugs. I would expect the ability of the round to transfer energy to surrounding tissue is a function of change of diameter over time
it's tough to beat an 06 they have tried for over a hundred years and really haven't done it yet. they have some that done specific things better but not everything as well as the 06. keep trying suckers.
@highspeedtubing it dont go down for the count. the .300 win mag has more recoil and burns a helluva alot more powder to get a couple hundred fps gain. it's not as good all around as the 06. think what you want
@@justinriley8651 You are correct it takes a lot more powder and a lot more recoil to get a couple hundred feet per second more! I own both a 30-06 and two 300 Mags. I have the Winchester and a Mark V .300 weatherby ! You could go back and force all day on these 30 calibers my dad had the 30-378 Weatherby an awesome 30 caliber ! But i would agree with you the 30-06 is the greatest 30 caliber ever made and was developed over 100 years ago ! There are so many other calibers developed off of its case its just incredible the 270 the 25-06 necked up for several 35 calibers and now with the newest powders and bullets on the market it has become even better ! it's truly amazing to me all the new hunting rifles that keep coming out that there really isn't any that's far superior to this great rifle !
@@davidelo5843 yep they come out with new stuff because people get bored and they don't really know any better. we had every round we would ever possibly need by 1970 in all honesty. if you live in the USA the 30-06 will do anything and do it well. I've had a .300 weatherby cool rifle if your shooting at 600 or 700 yards but why would I wanna shoot something at 700 yards? are there that many guys that are 100 percent sure there gonna drop it at that range? I doubt it maybe a handful that I would believe.
@@tonyhemingway7980 well as soon as the .300 savage was born the .303 savage was doomed. and the .300 savage had the same fate from the .308. you could also say the 99 savage was an excellent rifle and you'd be right. its happened to a lot of good rounds most of em from the 1960s.
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The 180gr. was a round nose. The 150gr. Was a pointed soft point. That's why the shrapnel was poking all those small holes. Those two calibers are almost identical ballistic wise. They're both awesome calibers.
I think a lot of people get really hung up on the fact that the .30-06 dwarfs the .308 in size, but they forget that:
1) the .308 was designed to be a small action round with large action power.
2) 2 world wars passed between the development of these rounds and the technology increased leaps and bounds.
Ballistic coefficient measures a bullet’s ability to cut through the air - the higher the number, the less the wind resistance due to the shape of the bullet; hence, it’s ability to travel farther and retain more energy.
Sectional Density is the measure to use when assessing a bullet’s ability to penetrate an animal. The higher the number, the greater the penetration. Great hunting bullets have a Sectional Density greater than .300; good hunting bullets have Sectional Densities in the neighborhood of .248-.299.
The longer the bullet for a given caliber, the higher the Sectional Density. Longer means heavier. Heavier means the bullet can’t be propelled as fast. But again, the higher the SD the farther the bullet will penetrate once it hits the target.
In other words - with bullets of identical construction and form factors a slow heavier bullet will penetrate farther than a fast lighter bullet.
In this test the bullets were not of similar construction and their form factor (spire tip vs round nose) were very different. The spire point tip 150 grain bullet has a higher ballistic coefficient while the round nose 180 grain bullet has a higher sectional density. But the FORM FACTOR and internal construction of the bullets are so different that the test was kind of like comparing apple and oranges. Fun to watch but not really a valid test.
One other thing to think about, however, is that meat damage with heavy slow bullets is typically a lot less than with faster lighter bullets. If hunting for meat is the goal, then use a heavy slow bullet.
Anyhoo, an enjoyable video - as always!
Very well put. The reason I use 170 grain in my 30-30 is for sectional density. (and the proof up here is how they work compared to the 150s, on average, on deer) If I was using a high velocity round, I would chose the longest, heaviest bullet available to me. (if I did not have my woods gun) Unless i was shooting across valleys at pronghorn in big sky country of course. But most people today only talk velocity and energy. Then again, I suppose a lot of shooters today never hunted for meat on the table.
Do you think sectional density matters a whole lot on expanding bullets As far as damage and penetration within 300 yards for game animals?
For those who didn't know it before the test learned that a spire point bullet will penetrate better than a soft point. Because 150 grain spire point ammo is available for both try testing them with the same type and weight ammo.
Years ago when I was still hunting deer with a Remington model 788, .308 caliber I had a brochure comparing the trajectory of a .308 vs 30-06 caliber at 500 yards. The bullet drop of the .308 was approximately 8" more at that distance than the 30-06, with lower but similar foot pounds at that distance. I think this is why the military chose the M-14 (.308/7.62) as a replacement for the M-1 (30-06), as the former is shorter than the latter and that meant the shorter .308 round could load slightly faster than the longer 30-06 round.
Now they have dropped the .308 in favor of the 300WM.
My favorite, growing up in Montana (hunting deer and elk regularly) was the .308 -- mostly because that's what I had. When I was in Viet Nam, I noticed that the .308 equivalent (7.62) would drop a human equally well, which just reinforced my opinion about it being more than adequate for hunting game. Snipers preferred the 06, since they often shot their "targets" at a much farther distance. Since I rarely was lucky enough to hunt moose or bears, I didn't need the larger (and more powerful) 30-06. My brother had an 06, and it didn't bring down large game any better than my .308. The ammunition for the 06 was more expensive though...
Sometimes the same bullet will penetrate less when loaded to faster velocity, because it expands faster. In this test, the .30-06 bullet had a large round nose that started drag before any expansion at all! Similar to the Woodleigh bullets I loaded for .338 Win Mag; lots of power but not all that much penetration. I set ten milk jugs like bowling pins, with a space between them equal to the size of a jug, to see if I could knock them all over. A .30-06 did slightly better in this test too! Both bullets made a huge mess of the milk cartons, but not all were knocked over!
The difference between 308 and 30-06 depends on the propellant used. If using faster burning rifle powders, the 308 and 30-06 are virtually the same when it comes to performance. The 30-06 will propel equal bullets faster when using slower burning powders because of the higher case capacity. The pressures for both cases are almost the same.
If using different bullets, it starts turning into apples and oranges. You had it right the first time. To compare the two cartridges, use same bullets. Too bad the 180 didn't have the same shape as the 150. The lighter and couple hundred fps slower went further due to bullet shape. The 180 expanded more, but the larger exposed lead nose would account for that.
With the same bullet weight my friend you're wrong. If you have the same grain bullet in the same shape bullet the hot 6 isn't dumping more energy on the cinder block at 20 yards. After 200 yd it's hard to tell the difference between the two. I love my hot sex and my 308 but the 308 is inherently more accurate and I've seen elk and moose dropping their tracks at 100 yards with a 308 at shop placement. The 30 ought six people make me laugh.
Unfortunately Voice to Text gets it wrong. Haha I didn't talk about hot sex. My point is after 200 yards they're almost identical.
@@josephmallard9053 don't take that back. it made your comment so much more entertaining 😄. it did throw me for a loop for a second before I got it lol
I've used both .308 & .30-06 for deer & elk. Either caliber, in any standard weight, will easily be enough for big game. Accuracy is the more important factor. With my .30-06, I used 150 grain because that's what my rifle & my shooting ability worked best with...downed many miles deer & Rocky Mountain Elk. The .308 shot better with a 168 grain. Point is, anything you want to hunt will drop with a 150 grain just as easily as a 180 or larger.
I know a lot people in Alaska like to use 165 grain and bigger for 30 06. I dont what grains people use in 308 to hunt large game but people use that one in Alaska too.
I've shot both 308 and 30-06 , I still have the Savage model 110 30-06 my dad gave me before he died. Truthfully I've liked both calibers, it just depends on what you're shooting at .
I've used a 303 British a 30-06 Springfield a 7mm-08 Remington and a 350 Remington Magnum... funny thing is... the deer couldn't tell the difference!
PS... everyone knows the aught 6 is a big game killer... it don't like jugs or being compared to the 308 Winchester... ;)
4 and a smidge. Story of my life....
Jus' kiddin'!
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I use to have a favorite deer rifle, that was a 25-06, over the years I’ve tried other deer rifles, 308, 30-30, 243, 338, 223, 35 Rem, 257 Roberts, I found out I don’t need a favorite deer rifle, they all worked just wonderful, I guess if you put that bullet in the right place they’re all a great gun….Great video Who_Tee_Who….
I love them all! Thanks for watching Larry!
@@WHOTEEWHO I am enjoying all your videos, great work !! keep em coming...
Thanks Larry
It really don't take a lot of gun to kill a deer ! I'M 70 PLUS YEARS OLD AND FROM A FAMILY WHO WERE HUNTERS THERE ENTIRE LIVES ! That was the Basic meat we ate ! when I first started had a .35 Remington my Dad had a 30-30 and my mom used a 44-40 lever action ! Those guns put down hundreds of deer ! We had venison year round and I would bet we never had any get away ! Its all in shot placement on a thin skinned animal !
My great grandfather in New Brunswick, Canada, was a hunting guide for over 50 years. He only used a 30-30 Winchester lever. He joked that all the deer he shot with 30-30, were lined up head to tail would measure over 60 miles.
A 30-30 is capable of taking Elk within it's limited range. My neighbor took a Bull in the Oregon Cascades. It was the only rifle he owned.
i would love to own a Henry or Winchester!!! Even a Marlin would be nice! I want me one of them there Cowboy guns! i would love one in 308 but they dont look like cowboy guns since they are not tube fed! All the true cowboy guns in the movies looked like they had two barrels because of the tube magazine! They just says a cowboy gun to me!But i will have a nice lever action with in the next year! I have several guns on my bucket list for 2020! Im hoping some ofthe 2019 guns i really wanted drop in price this year to make them available for my price range?Also looking into a new chassis for my savage axis in 6.5CM so a lot on my wish list for this year! lol go big or go home i say!LOL
There is nothing wrong with the 30-30. Also the sks has about the same if not more range and punch. The sks box said
All deer, Antalope and
Black Bear. I had one. Still kick myself for selling it. I paid $100
for it still in the box.
All gooped up from packaging. China.
The faster the bullet greater the expansion, greater the energy dump. use fmj then 3006 will win.
Both of my 06s preferred 180s. I was raised on 06 and I love the round. I rarely took an animal past 100yds. I used to shoot black powder with a traditional .50 or a .25-35 lever gun in brush, and besides the stalk was always my favorite part of the hunt. The 06 was my most used over the years.
Great expansion on both. I've found that with hunting ammo expansion is proportional to velocity. It could be that the velocity of the 30-06 was slower with the heavier bullet and therefore with a slower velocity penetrated less. That said, we didn't have a chronograph to check that.
My favorite is the 30-06. Something about the kick from the round I like. Also it was the round I shot my first deer with.
To regress a bit to one of your other videos, the .270 is my cartridge of choice, main reason - recoil, secondary reason, penetration. Shot an elk and the bullet went through and lodged against the hide on the opposite side.
One of my favorite "deer rounds" is a .12 gauge slug. In combo with my reddot, they never get up after that... 😂
Btw, 2 world wars won & 114 straight years of military and hunting use says the .30-06 isn't going anywhere...
Use what makes you happy-- I just find I like putting zombies down a little further out... 😵
Btw, I have a question for everyone: *Would you rather hunt bear with a .308, or a .30-06?*
I'm pretty sure THAT is what really tells the tale... fwiw
Bears I'd probably take 3006
I always wanted to try a 12 gauge slug on a deer. I did a few year's ago. That buck went down like a train fell on it lol. About a 50 yard shot.
This is all about delivered energy. This test you can tweak to any result, by altering the different inputs. Bullet weight, speed, distance, bullet brand, etc etc. The 30-06 and .308W has a overlapping potential, but you can make the 30-06 shoot a little straighter, or use a heavier bullet, and thereby deliver more energy into the game. (Faster velocity does the same). Both are plenty good enough in most circumstances. You just need to know the limitation of your self and the gear. Most often the shooter is the real limit.
@s d That's a too generally claim, and I suspect it to be hard to back up. You can make the 308W go shitty, just as easy as the 30-06, if you play around with the load. My experience is that they both have way more than good enough precision for normal hunting and shooting. The rifle, the load of the cartridge, and the shooters skill, is way more important for accuracy than the shape and volume of the two cartridges.
@s d Those arguments will I not argue against. :-) Even the "perfect cartridge" in the "best" rifle, is inferior if it doesn't fit the shooter. If the "feel" of the rifle is wrong, then you are better off without it.
“Or small game to if you wanted to.”
I remember that Nosler 180GR Ballistic Tip at a rabbit... Never have I see guts and blood fly 15’ into the air before, that day I did. The 30.06 Springfield is my rifle, and slightly more versatile and more efficient with the heavier bullets. The .308 Winchester is a very efficient round though, cost effective, and adequate for large game, all while using less powder, producing less recoil and using a shorter action. Both are great!
I would take accuracy and delivered energy above loyalty to a type.
If they are concerned about recoil, they aren't shooting a 308. Also, old heavy 30-06 and similar calibered guns don't hit nearly as hard as my new black synthetic stock 308
Saying that, I love both calibers and I think simply saying one caliber is better than any other is stupid. It all depends on what your shooting at and your purpose, situation, interests, skill, etc.
Recently I've picked up a new Remington 700 in 25-06 for my new deer rifle. Great 'lil cartridge with low recoil, shoots fast and flat great for long distance plinking as well. Granted most of my shots on bucks will be in the range of 200-300 yards or closer but it's fun to shoot out to 850+yards with it!!!
I need to try one
Love the 25-06, some of my longest deer hunting kills have been with it.
The .308 is under-rated as a large game round. It is best with the 165 / 168 gn Projectiles although I use 140gn SP for most of my hunting. Absolutely great medicine for even the large Reds. The relatively light recoil of the.308 compared to it's hitting power makes it easy to place shots for maximum effect.
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I use a .30-06 because that was the first deer rifle I bought 40 years ago and it works great, still using it. I got a $99 cva .50 cal and a $50 scope 20 years ago,it still puts deer on the ground. My farthest kill shot is 145 yards and did that shot with the muzzle loader in a fresh clear cut . I usually hunt the thickest areas I can find in the ozark national forest .
Great channel.
Check out “Rifle Chair” from Canada. He lives in Northern BC. He’s said exactly the same thing: a slower, heavier bullet is better for hunting. His personal fav is the .30-06
A lot of the older Canucks still hunt with Lee Enfield .303 Mark IV !! The Canadian Rangers used the LE Mark IV until about 5 years ago ( Yukon / NWT ) because it stops everything and easy to clean in frigid Arctic winters.
Keep shooting !
My favorite caliber is the 30-06 because of the rich American history and the versatility of the cartridge. I have also hunted with a 30-06 for 25 years for deer, bear and Elk. It is a great cartridge out to 450 yards for me with a 180 grain bullet. I just bought a Browning X-Bolt Stalker Long Range last season with a 26" barrel for a little more velocity and long range accuracy. I took a beautiful chocolate colored black bear at 301 yards and a BIG 3x3 mule deer at 253 yards.
Should use same bullet type and brand of ammo
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Cool video but this guy is right. As soon as you don't use the same bullet the results could go anywhere. Weight retention, rate of expansion, it all makes a difference to penetration.
My favorite is the daisy wrist rocket with a. 25 caliber steel shot at 10 ft or my 130 pound pull cross bow at 25 yards. They get the job done and quietly!
You can use 180gr bullets in 308 also. You just might have to hand load those. They aren't real common. They are usually 150 or 165. Also you might want to keep in mind what is recommended for the twist rate of your barrel.
Factory ammo
My hunting rifle is a 2006 Remington 700cdl. Went that way to honor the 100th anniversary of the cart, and my family has owned Remington firearms for over a century.
Mine really likes Federal 180gr cheap ammo, shooting 2/3rds of a MOA out to about 330 yards (As far as the range in Fairbanks goes)
For handloads, Sierra game king 168gr leaving the barrel at just under 3k fps seems to be its preferred pill. Forget the powder charge, unfortunately.
Some of the 200 gr roundnose fire well out of it, but I've never found anything heavier that I was happy with. And being able to pick up a cheap box of federal and get sub MOA accuracy is just so nice.
I do own a .308. Specifically I own a Saiga .308 with a 16.5" barrel. It eats anything I feed it, and turns heads at the range. :)
My Favorite is a 25-06 used it deer hunting and chuck hunting and was able to bring an elk down no problem never hunted bear but think results would be close to elk maybe :)
180 vs 180 is the question. im shure thats where you will see the difference
YE , OF COURSE..IM AGREE.
Yes you’re absolutely correct the 308 will not shoot 180 grain bullet as fast as the 30 out six can shoot the 180 grain bullet The 30 odd six starts to shine at 180 grains in comparison with a 308 but the 308 is much better suited for < 168 Grains. With that being said this is the perfect match up I wish she would’ve used the same brand of ammunition and bullet type! Now I’m going to finish watching the video!
Yes if you used both 150 grain bullets then the only fair comparison would be to compare the two rounds using 180 grain same style of bullets,by the same manufacturer
real metis Absolutely correct!
The neck of a 308 is a bit shorter which puts a limit on bullet length. The 06 had a longer neck which is conducive to longer bullet design
Longer bullets have a better ballistic coefficient which is necessary for longer shots. Think of it this way:: if you had a rock and an arrow or spear that weighed the same and you threw them which would go further. A soft ball can be thrown about 300 ft. That's 30 yards. On the other hand a football can be thrown 70 yards. It in the shape of the projectiles.
Who te. The 308 was designed for the M 14 rifle and the M 60 machine guns for the army. Comparing the length of the cartridges you will notice that the 308 is shorter. That means a shorter bolt which travels a shorter distance between shots resulting in the gun being able to fire more rounds per minute. However, the volume of the 308 being shorter has almost the same volume for powder as the 30-06. Velocity of the 308 is just a bit less than the 06. If you look at bullet mfg ballistics you will see it isn't much. Because the body of the 308 is much fatter than the 308 bullet the neck has to have a sharper angle. The result is that this difference slows down the burning rate of the powder which enables all of the powder to be burned. That does not happen in the 06. This consistent burning rate of the 308 makes it more accurate than the 06. The 22-250 cartridge and the credmore cartridges also have similar construction. I had a 22-250 that put 3 rounds in the same hole at 100 yrs. For a while the 308 was used as a sniper cartridge in Afghanistan with confirmed kills beyond 1 000 yards. While it is true that you should use the same bullet weight your demonstration showed that both cartridges preformed very similar. A deer rifle bullet under best conditions should not leave the body of the game. Why. All bullets have Entergy. So if the bullet design enables all the energy it has to remain in the animal it will do more damage and the deer is not going anywhere. Conversely, a heavy bullet that goes right through the deer is not going to release all of its energy in the deer. The bullet is taking its energy with it when it leaves the deer's body. True story. I was getting a haircut and a 16 year old boy shot 2 ...8 point bucks with the same bullet. The 2 buck were running side by side and the bullet passed through the body of the closest deer into the second deer. Ironically both were shot through the heart. And the kid had pictures for proof. He used a 30-06 180 grain bullet. When I was 18 I listened to my peers who all used 270s. So I bought a 270. I have never had an exit wound with it. I use a 130 grain bullet at 3,400 feet per second as choreographed. That bullet explodes. In deer. Oh both cartridges use a bullet with the same diameter of .308 in. It would be interesting to view your results of your experiment using the same weight bullets. One last thing each manufacturer has patent on its bullet design and the performance will be different between companies. Try if you can to use bullets from the same company. Nice job.
30-06 shines in hand loads and is the most versatile round in existence. 180gr is too heavy for deer at most ranges and likely passed right through the deer without expanding, although this has a lot to do with bullet choice as well. I wouldn't and don't use anything heavier than 165gr bullets and have no issues.
@s d well I read a lot about the 270 from a guy who wrote for Outdoor Life. Jack O"Conner. He killed every animal in North America including all bears. I know for sure that the 270 is more accurate than the 06 and the 308 also is more accurate than the 06. Accuracy is helped along because of the difference of the difference in diameter of the cartridge body and the neck. Observe the 22-250. The 65 creedmore, the 308, the Remington and Winchester short 300 magnums. All have fat bodies and marrow necks. All are very accurate. One reason I like the 270 is the flat trajectory. 7mm Remington mag shoots a bit flatter and has a stronger recoil as well. 7mm mag is a good choice for western states. However, in partially wooded areas the 270 works well. I believe I mentioned that I never had an exit wound with a 270 on white tails using 130 grain bullet. For larger game 270 can be had with a 150 grain factory. And if you reload a 170 grain bullet is available. What I noticed is that basically the 270 out shines the 06 when using lighter bullets and the 06 is better with heavier bullets. Speed in ballistics means more energy when the bullet hits game. A huge.poimt
One year when hunting whitetail with about 3 inches of snow on the ground a dear came across my line of sight. It was bounding and I took a shot as it leaped into the air. When I found the tracks in the snow I followed them and came to the spot where the deer made its last bound. Tracks disappeared. How could that be. Well I looked around and found the deer laying 9 feet away from where I shot it. You see, I hit the deer when it was in the air and it flew sideways 9 feet before it hit the ground. My friend, that is a lot of energy that caused the deer to fly sideways 9 feet. I was amazed. Now, I doubt it very much if an 06 or 308 could do the same. More than likely the bullet would have passed right through with out releasing all of its energy. Saw a film about a hunter who shot a bull moose with an 06 at 50 yards 5 times in the heart area. The moose just stood there and looked at him. He reloaded and fired the 6th round. Then the moose collapsed. I could see the hairs move on the moose. He had a great shot group using 180 grain bullet. 180 grain on an 06 is potent. You see the 270 is a very flat shooting cartridge..if zeroed in correctly the drop in flight might be 2 1/2 inches or so. Which means that I could sneak a bullet through s hole in the scrubs or branches of about 2 inches or less out to 250 yards. You would need a hard recoiling magnum to do that. So. Why suffer.
You are right i shot a smaller doe with a Winchester model 70 .308 went right thru the long ways thru the ribs and out the back thigh lucky it died in a river 25 ft away bad gut shot my dad always bought me 180 grain after that i never used them again for Whitetail. With the same gun my Gpa shot a buck a doe both dropped on the spot always about shot placement.
I shot a deer from about 60yrd with a 130gr 270. And it certainly had a exit hole. I also shot one with a 120gr and a 150gr 270 all had exit holes.
@@jmkhenka My dad was a sniper in WW II AND He had a special rifle and ammunition made especially for snipers. He said he could drive tracks with it. A military rifle is considered accurate if it has less than a 3 inch group at 100 yards. My m14 grouped 3 inches at 100 yards and I hit 20 for 20 at 500 meters. 540 yards. Sniper rifles had match grade barrels. Scopes were special and were programmed for specific amo. They could be adjusted way pass 1k yds. My buddy's m14 had a 1/2 inch group at 100 yards. Most of my shooting was less than 75 yards, so I was ok. So. Accuracy depends on the rifle. I met a guy at the range who bought a surplus M1 Garand 30-06. He had the action worked over and put on a new match grade barrel. He was getting less than 1/2 in groups at 100 yards with Remington 30-06 amp.
You called it. Major factor is bullet design/construction for doing what it is intended for. Have used both but now use 25-06 and even that is more than enough when using the right bullets.
The only advantage to using the 30-06 is for the handloader. The 308 and 30-06 are both 30 Cal and you can handload anything in the 308 brass that you can load in the 308. The advantage is the larger brass holds more propellant.
Most really hot loads for 30-06 the case is less than half full and has the same weight of powder as 308 with the same muzzle velocity. It may surprise you that heavier projectiles use less powder and have higher chamber pressure than lighter projectiles. Hot loads are extremely inaccurate. An experience hand loader will get about the same performance from 308 and 30-06 at safe chamber pressure and with good accuracy.
@@jimjohnson8864 are you nuts? most hot 30-06 loads I shoot are compressed powder charges-I have never loaded a 30-06 case half full of any powder. If the 308 is as powerful as a 30-06 then why are the 30 magnums any more powerful?
Been shooting a Remington 270 BDL for 32 years and killed LOTs of deer with it, never once did I regret having bought that gun. I feel like I'm one with it
When you become ‘one with your gun’ you need to seek help, lol. This is when your wife will leave you and your dog will begin to eye you suspiciously. Turn to alcohol, potato chips, anything, but don’t become another ‘gunnie’.
Me too. Jack O’Connor wrote a lot of good stuff about the 270 if your interested. The 270 uses a necked down 30-06 case so the 270 uses the same amount of charge as a 30-06. Shoots so flat.
That is the way you should frrl. Having faith in your rifle is the most you can get..
Wyman Shermanduster: I sold my last rifle for a wife who didn’t like guns, and man! great bang for the buck, so to speak, lol. Sure do miss that gun though.
@@rayray8687 You can get more bang without selling your 308
The extra 30 grains may have slowed down the 30-06 to where the .308 had equal or greater velocity. On the other hand the 30-06 also expanded more than the .308 transfering energy quicker.
How is an identical grain bullet comparison "unfair?" I've hunted with both 308 and 30-06. Both did its job. I traded off the 308 for a Winchester 94 lever action 357. Kept the 30-06. Both are good hunting calibers and in my opinion, more gun than needed for whitetail. Also in my personal opinion, any 30 caliber rifle, within it's effective range, will take any game on the North American continent with the proper ammo and shot placement.
All of what you said is hard to argue with and is simple wisdom for hunters. The only thing I would add is it is never a bad thing to "overkill" so the .308 and 06 are dynamite for whitetails with any bullet of 125gr and above. And shot placement has always been and should always be our paramount concern as hunters.
@@Leif1963 exactly.
Steve D Thats not what the .308 was designed for .
My wife uses a 94 357 mag. She loves that gun. Brings down deer just as dead as my 308
The .308 was meant to replace 30-06 with a smaller casing and hotter powder .. 30-06 can handle 220 grain bullets too
All i know is i want a long range rifle i can reach out to a mile with and still have terminal velocities ......For deer hunting as well as long range comps!cant make up my mind? was looking at 338Lap but idk?
I took a deer w my 338 lapua this year. I love it. Ammo is sky high tho
@@WHOTEEWHO I took a Deer with my Yamaha FZ-07 Motorcycle at 50 MPH .. Insurance CO estimated the damage @ $3,700.00 parts and labor ect..
@@mikeskidmore6754 Try not to use ammo you have to ride into the target. At $3,700.00, the cost of reloading is too high.
I believe that the 308 was adopted by NATO, because the average European is smaller than the average American. That and the development of the M14,
I have been hung up on single shot rifles since I was a kid. The ruger no1 and the browning 78 are my favorite rifles for any hunt. The 45-70 no1 is the one I grab most often
My favorite rifle is the one I have when the deer is in front of me.....
With that said, The one on me today is a .35 Whelen.
I would love to have a carbine rifle chambered on .35 Whelen!
starcommtrey mine to 35 Whalen
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@@tater357 I love mine. Now one thing, for some reason it shoots DIRTY. Swab it every 20 rounds or so. It doesn't have the range of an 06, but under 300 it hits like a hammer.
I have to say, from what I understand between the two rounds not so much as different brands( though that could have factors in it) is that this test should be carried out at minimal distance of 100 yards. I think you would see different results. I myself prefer and hunt with the 7mm mag and why is just because I’m comfortable with it and it’s what works for me.
Well I did use an old British .303, but I need to take it to a smith for some repair. So now I use an Savage Axis in .308.
308 will do the trick too
One day you'll go into the field with a 6.6x55 and, maybe to your surprise, everything you point it at will fall over. And you notice, too, that you have experienced negligible recoil, and damaged far less meat. I went from a .270 to a .308 and then to the super accurate 6.5x55. It's a blissful round. Unless you're into the recoil and macho bark of a 30-06, or are worried about being considered a pansy with the lighter rifle, you will love that round, and be pissed that you've hauled around too much gun for too many years.
Try one. There are a lot of huge moose in Scandinavia who might have told you I'm giving good advice, but they can't 'cos they're dead from a dose of 6.5x55.
Duofold I agree. I haul around my Swedish Mauser in 6.5x55. It’s a heavy rifle but it’s a tack driver.
Hunt on a family owned farm in West Virginia, heavily covered in trees, and heavy brush.
Have been using my .35 Remington for 45 years, and have always had great success !
My definition of a "brush gun" !
quadsman11 West Virginia grown and raised
I love my 35 Remington too been using it for 20 years
I love my .280 Remington ! Because it’s the perfect compromise between the .270 and the .30-06 ( it shoots just as flat as the.270 utilizing heavier bullets and hits just as hard as the .30-06 with better BC’s )
But you know what ? I’m really liking your .450 bushmaster videos, I’m itching to get me one real soon .
I have a 280 Remington in the 760 pump. I shoot my dad’s 30-06 in the 760 pump just because ammo is more available. Both have killed several deer!
@@johnsadler8637 That 760/ 7600 slide action is a great platform for hunting especially in close cover situations, it’s quick and well balanced, very reliable and a great performer. I’ve been trying to get ahold of one of the BWB ( Big Woods Bucks ) edition 7600 pump actions , but it’s chambered in .35 Whelen . An excellent elk , bear , moose and whitetail cartridge.
My .280 Remington is in a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight, really nice handling and smooth cycling action with astonishing accuracy. But I definitely like the 760/7600 pump actions , the legendary Remington slide action is the industry’s standard for that platform.
@@NorthwoodsNomad I discovered that, if you cycle the action before the echo from the shot stops bouncing around the valleys (western Ozarks), the deer don’t notice it or can’t locate it. It helped I grew up hunting quail with a 1912 Winchester pump, so cycling the pump was second nature back then.
30-06 love the way they shoot
This goes into the account that the design of the bullet is more important than weight. The 180 grain in the 30-06 looks like a more rounded bullet, perhaps semi-spitzer, where as the 150 grain 308 bullet was a Spitzer. Roundnose bullets open up faster than Spitzer bullets. You should try maybe a Nosler partition bullet if you want maximum penetration.
308 win because it’s a perfect gun in my opinion
I love the 308. Ammo cheap too. Thanks for watching Evan!
I LOVE my dads .308 savage model 99f. 53 years old. I have a 30-06 but his .308 feels so comfortable. I decided to use it to hunt with instead of my 30-06 this year cause I want more range time and need to adjust it a bit. But I had never shot his .308 idk what it is it just feels so good in my hands, im so comfortable with that rifle.
@@benjaminwebb5759 I prefer .308 because it is smaller and you can carry more,I'm a crap shot so need a lot
@David Watson 308 is perfect for my needs. It's a perfect rifle for deer hunting::))
My comment is late, but here's my take. The 30-06 burst the first 3 jugs stronger than the 308. This was because the 30-06 mushroomed more (considerable more cross-section) and so passed its higher energy faster (pushing more water) resulting in a similar track length. Or in other words, the energy of the 30-06 is greater but its mushroomed drag is also greater. So a soft target would be more shredded by a 180g 30-06 than a 150g 308 at close range.
30 - 06 is going to be off from what it should because it's a round nose SP and not a PSP like the 308 ammo.
But the SP is a good brush round for deer I used it a lot in my 30-06 back in day in 180 grain Remington core lokt when it was readily available and sold side by side with the typical PSP.
Back then all the typical calibers in the core lokt had the SP and PSP same grain together in the popular grains as well.
30-06 for example was the 150 165 and 180 grain
I went from a 280 witch is close to a 7-mag to a custom made RUM with a sendero with muzzle-break barrel. Love it had way less deer loss in the woods with the .30vs7mm. Have had the gun 20+ year's. Don't hunt much anymore got old. Like to see the water jug test with a RUM!! The win mag is good but I think the RUM is a little more of a bad-ass!!
myth busters found 308 3006 and 50 bmg only travel through 18" of water
My favs are all that go bang. No seriously 30/30 , 257 Roberts, and 25-06 are my top 3 picks, I’m trying the 308, and 30-06 and hopefully 223 in an Ar platform in the future depending on wether they make it legal to use semi autos in PA. Recycling done wright.
I use to own a 308 but got rid of it, needed the money in my younger years. Now shooting a 30.06 1903 springfield sporter.. I like both rounds but I am much more accurate with the 30.06 than I was with the 308. I dont know why, could be the rifle.. But when it comes down to it,, being on the receiving end of either one would be a very bad day.
Different makes of bullets will give results that aren't truly apple to apple because bullets are all designed and manufactured differently. In this test they both would do the same identical job. A 180 grains Nosler Partition or a 165 grains Barnes would penetrate substantially more. A round nose is going to expand fast in general. Fun test to watch anyway. Thank you for all the effort you put up.
I got me a 10 point milk jug last night wtw. 🥳
The largest 30.06 bullet I have found and used to hunt deer is a Remington 220 grain. I believe I bought it at Academy Sports or Bass Pro Shop. I hunted Axis with this 220 grain bullet, and I got a shot at a trophy buck, but I believe I had a clean miss. I never found him. He was in a river bed bedding and he got up
up at about 60-70 yards away from me and started to walk very fast. I took the shot. I think I did not calculate for the path of the bullet shooting that close. I never found any blood or him:(
The 308 was made to replace the 30-06. They
thought it could use less space than the 06
@s d
The shorter casing of the 308W also has a quicker and more even ignition of the powder for better accuracy.
Not in the hunting world it was made to replace the 30 06 in the military world. 308 short action for faster follow up shots less weight more ammo. Dnt get me wrong i love the 308 for hunting. Its what i use. I will agree the 308 is also more accurate. 308 nd 270 my favorites😁
The most violent water jug damage I have ever experienced was with a 257 Wby Mag 80 (something) gr. bullet launched at nearly 4000 fps...It vaporized the water and there was nothing but a few small pieces of water jug left, never did find the cap!!! It was stunning!
Hello, thank for these experiments. They are very intriguing. Something to consider. If you were use a chronograph during your series testing to gather additional data, I believe you will come to more accurate conclusion. Finally, it would make the test even that much more accurate if you were to use the same type of ammunition. Thank you
I believe in this case the drag from the extra expansion of the 30-06 slowed it down faster than the 308.
More power dump, but less penetration.
It would be interesting to see to what extent the additional bullet weight influences the exiting velocity and ballistics of these rounds.
Another point of interest would be ideal barrel length for each caliber to get the most boogie for your buck.
The reality is the larger bullet expanded more and was going faster. It put much more energy into the target quicker.
They are not super penetrating round but dispersing energy/shock force rounds. You will need a partitioned bullet for penetration.
5 with.308, 4 with 30-06, think the heavy one will mushroom more and stop sooner
Dad hunt's with a Browning blr .308. He uses 180 gr power point bullets. I was always bothered by how far his deer ran off after being shot. I think a lighter bullet might be more affective. I might have to borrow the gun and try it out.
The soft tips are best for hunting I believe. They impact and start with a large entry and smaller exit because the soft tip transfers alot of energy into the 1st thing it hits then the jacketed part is able to continue on through.
They were lead tipped not plastic tipped
I think that placement is more important than caliber. Ive shot a few rounds myself
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Peter Hathaway Capstick tells the story of an old African man that he knew had dropped to bull elephants with a .22 LR. The placement was a spot in the head. Nonetheless, the 22 made it’s way into the cranial vault through hide and a pathway that allowed it to not have to work against the pachyderm’s massive skull. Placement is everything!
Two different manufacturers, different loadings, and different bullet constructions/shape. Velocities could be vastly different despite the 30.06 Springfield’s greater case capacity. Also the Herters ammo has a very large surface area in comparison to that Winchester Super X “pointed” soft point bullet. I’d like to see FMJ comparisons, or at least some quality Nosler Accubonds and maybe even the 190GR Accubond Long Range thrown into the mix.
I think both the .308 Winchester and the 30.06 Springfield are amazingly practical for hunting North America. Differences are negligible, just pick what YOU prefer. I’m a fan of the 30.06 Springfield, it’s nostalgia and history is pretty inspiring.
30 06
all day..
custom loads and more power. BANG!!
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Thanx for a great demo. Between a 308/150 grain bullet vs a 3006/180 grain bullet. I prefer using my 308 mossberg bolt rifle here in Alabama. Dave Thompson
Thanks for watching Dave!
I dont think after reading comments on some of your 30-06 vs 308 videos that people even realize they are basically the same. The military wanted a round with the same capability as the 30-06 but in a shorter version, so now we have the 308 and in most cases if you have the same bullet and weight,and gun you will get only around 100 fps out of the 30-06 and therefore the same results from both. The only advantage the 30-06 has over the 308 is you can find more bullet weight options.
All in good fun. People just like to debate things 😂. But yes you are right. Thanks for watching!
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Oh I know it's all in good fun. I just think it's funny how some people get so upset over which gun or caliber is better. I am new to your channel only been watching about a week but I'm really enjoying them, and I appreciate how appreciative you are to your viewers. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for watching! Greatly appreciated. I noticed that not many ppl had created fun/type videos comparing the 30 cal rifles so I made quite a few of them.
I just saw as I was going through your videos that your from TN, and I live in Lawrence county TN. So howdy neighbor. I also just watched the video of the song you wrote for your son, and I just want to say I'm sorry for your loss and I wish this had never happened to you but you did a beautiful job with writing the song. I'm 6' 5" and about 290 pounds and not one bit ashamed to say you broke me down and made me cry like a baby. My heart goes out to you and your family. I know the comments section is not meant for back and forth like we are texting or something so this will be it for me tonight. I also just realized I haven't even subscribed yet so I will be doing so at 10:40 dont ask why cause I have this weird thing about having to do things at a certain times.
more room in cartridge so can handle heavier bullets it that simple
I don't have my favorite deer rifle anymore I had a marlin 336 microgroove it was my favorite because I bought it myself it was chambered in 30-30 I fired a 35 Remington marlin and if I remember right the 30-30 went through 7 milk jugs
The longest deer I ever killed was in a clear cut goin up the side of a mountain at 300 yards with a 243 it ran about 50 yards down the mountain then dropped was with my grandpa was my 5th deer ever at the time
243 is excellent cartridge, parent cartridge is 308. 243 does not have the energy of a 308 at 300 yards but it is more accurate. A well placed shot with a 243 at up to 400yds can be just as effective as a 30 caliber. 25-06 another excellent cartridge is almost the 30-06 version of 243
Savage model 110 in 30-06 with a bushnell banner 3- 9x50 scope... because it was free. My uncle gave it to me when he retired from hunting due to a bad knee and hip.
I don't understand how 150gr v 150gr is UNFAIR as opposed to 150gr vs 180gr o_O
To me it now seems unfair lol by 30gr?
because with 150 grains, the 308 and 30-06 are almost ballistically identical. but bring that up to 165 grain or even 180 grain in both rifles, the 30-06 runs away with it.
Did you ever stop to ask the question 'if the 30-06 is such a great round why does every military sniper in the world use every other round before they get to that one?' .308 win, .300 win mag, .338 lapua mag, 50BMG i mean where is the 30-06? Again shoot what you like and be great with it.
The 150-155 grain bullit is an optimal weight for the 308 caliber using standard ammo. A 165 grain Bullit in the 30-06 might of done better with a higher velosity- more optimal weight for that caliber in my opinion. By comparing different calibers & bullit weights- your getting into the nity-gritty of ballistics. Love my 308 because it accurate, short action, moderate recoil, & with 165 grain high performance ammo will get the job done.
Pointed soft point 308 and a round nose soft point 30 06 of course the 308 is has penetrated more . Try both with with military FMJ rounds.
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The milk jug test DOES NOT LIE. Always my favorite gun videos.
Boils down to what you have available. I shoot a 6.5x55 its what I have available better than all the stuff I don't have!
Like my Swedish mauser as well.
My favorite deer rifle is a Marlin 336C in 35 rem. Shoot 180 and 200 grain. My only complaint is penetration. Being in the north east need a brush gun as thick and hi velocity doesn't work well.
I love the scientific aspects of these videos... 4 and a smidgen jugs for 308!
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@@WHOTEEWHO Love your informal videos... they are just fun!
@@pseudopetrus appreciate you watching bigtime!
300 win mag I really have a soft spot for. However my 338 win mag has shown some impressive take downs. My first rifle was a 30.06 which I did not get to use enough to really compare. So due to the fact of a drought on ammo, and the price hike if you do find ammo, I'm looking for a rifle that is easy on the pocket book and excellent on accuracy and elk and black tail and black bear out to 400 yards. So roughly 1200 ish foot lbs of energy at 400 yards or more. What would you suggest.
The flip side is, the 30 06 dumped a lot more energy and concussion, in the same amount of space as the 308.
It may kick a bit harder, but considering the added shock and just plain old knock down power, I'll take the 30 06 every time.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction
if more power is important to you then you should go with 300 win mag or some similar magnum cartridge. The difference in 308 to 30-06 is so small it's negligible in real world hunting situations
I'm sold on the 308
K n o c k d o w n p o w e r. Lol this fudd lore term has to go
30-06 weatherby 163 grain noslers and a 270 wsm browning bar 140 grain noslers are my two deer rifles. The wife loves using the 30-06 so I use the wsm lol great video
I have found the best results out of my 308 is with a 168 grain bthp match grade from federal.
not for hunting.
My favourite is the British .303. Bought it at 16 years old because it was cheap. My uncle was sighting in his 300 win mag with scope while I was chopping wood. I went and got my .303 open sights.... Walked up and shot target dead centre first shot at 100 yards from free standing position. Every year I bag a deer 1 shot. In fact last year I shot 2 deer with 1 shot. Hilarious how every year people are wasting ammo trying to sight guns in. My uncle asked my dad once if he was going to come out to sight his gun in before the hunt. He replied.... No, Its a .303, I sighted it 50 years ago when I shot my first moose. My brother shot a buck at 280 yards with .303 open sights from a standing position. They are reliable and accurate guns.
Everything you vary will make a difference.
I think this would have been a better test had you used same brand of ammo and what was the muzzle velocity of these two rounds. I have both calibers and load my own but I find better results with 165 gr BTSP in 3006 and 150 gr in 308 at 2600 fps for both. enjoyed your effort.
The more mass caught more water (more drag).
I like the Winchester 1894 Big Bore in 375 Winchester. If you hunt where your shots will be on the order of 100 yards or less, this single rifle/cartridge combination is good for deer and larger game that happen to wander through. By no means the only rifle and cartridge to use, and the ammunition is both difficult to find and expensive in recent years, but together they make an effective tool.
I like em all!!!
the 06 has so many years of performance that no one can deny, plus grand pa used it...
The 308 was THE sniper rifle in Vietnam.
The 30-06 of past service was DOWN loaded from the commercial spec 30-06 we buy today. In fact, it was downloaded to about the same velocity as...... .308 Winchester!
The only thing more retarded than 30-06 is .270win. Why the fuck would anyone think a projectile that is a whopping 0.030" of an inch less in diameter is somehow a magical round? Have a look at 30-06 and .270win ammo of the same bullet weight and design from the same manufacturer. Their velocities are identical and thus their kinetic energy is identical. The difference is that .270 is much more limited in bullet weights, and is not nearly as common as 30-06. If I had to pick, the parent cartridge 30-06 is the far better choice. .308win is superior to both of those calibres.
@@ewirman I was a sniper in Vietnam and our group used 300 Winchester magnums !
I’ve used a 30-06 rifle since 1972 to deer hunt with and have killed close to 200 deer with it . I’ve always used the 150 grain Remington all those years . I’ve found that bullet placement is the best way to kill a deer . I’ve used a Remington 243 rifle also to kill deer and there again bullet placement did the trick . I’ve never lost a deer with it . I’ve use a Marlin 30-30 and killed deer the same way . So it really doesn’t matter what caliber rifle you use to a point , you have to place the bullet in the kill zone . You don’t shoot a deer at 150 yards running wide open because you can’t place the bullet where you want it . I’ve killed a few deer at or over 300 yards but they were standing still broadsided feeding down a shooting lane that was planted with winter wheat and oats . Scouting the place where your going to hunt and finding the best place to put your deer stand where the deer naturally travel and feed and be patient will give you the best advantage to kill a deer . Wait till you can get a good killing shot before you shoot . If there’s any doubt whether you can kill it or not then don’t shoot . Be patient and you will get another chance . Of course you have to practice and sight in your rifle before you go hunting . This is from 48 years of rifle deer hunting experience . Before that I used a shotgun to deer hunt with . I didn’t kill very many deer with a shotgun though . It wasn’t until I got my Remington 30-06 that I started killing deer every year consistently . I’m 73 years old now and most older deer hunters know this . I don’t know if it still is but in Louisiana it used to be legal to use the 22 caliber rifle to deer hunt . There’s been many deer killed with a 22 caliber rifle but there again it takes bullet placement . Enjoyed your experiment with the 30-06 and 308 rifles . I shot the 308 in the M-14 military rifle when I was in the army and loved it .
What I learned was you guys drink a lot of milk.
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Great comparison. I'd be curious to see the performance of the .308 and .30-06 in the same bullet weight using factory loads, and the same with handloads. It will be argued that the handloads will be better performing, but how much better.
I still like the flatter drop profile of the 30-06 over the Win 308 past 100 yds.
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When I saw the 2 bullets you were using I assumed the 180 grain would do exactly what it did. Heavy weight round nose bullets were designed for short range maximum impact by expanding rapidly not distance and penetration. Note the larger diameter of the 180 grain.
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I love my .308 and my .270. Both great guns.
Hard to go wrong with either. Thanks for watching!
You might like to measure the increase in diameter between the two rounds before and after hitting the jugs. I would expect the ability of the round to transfer energy to surrounding tissue is a function of change of diameter over time
it's tough to beat an 06 they have tried for over a hundred years and really haven't done it yet. they have some that done specific things better but not everything as well as the 06. keep trying suckers.
@highspeedtubing it dont go down for the count. the .300 win mag has more recoil and burns a helluva alot more powder to get a couple hundred fps gain. it's not as good all around as the 06. think what you want
@@justinriley8651 You are correct it takes a lot more powder and a lot more recoil to get a couple hundred feet per second more! I own both a 30-06 and two 300 Mags. I have the Winchester and a Mark V .300 weatherby ! You could go back and force all day on these 30 calibers my dad had the 30-378 Weatherby an awesome 30 caliber ! But i would agree with you the 30-06 is the greatest 30 caliber ever made and was developed over 100 years ago ! There are so many other calibers developed off of its case its just incredible the 270 the 25-06 necked up for several 35 calibers and now with the newest powders and bullets on the market it has become even better ! it's truly amazing to me all the new hunting rifles that keep coming out that there really isn't any that's far superior to this great rifle !
@@davidelo5843 yep they come out with new stuff because people get bored and they don't really know any better. we had every round we would ever possibly need by 1970 in all honesty. if you live in the USA the 30-06 will do anything and do it well. I've had a .300 weatherby cool rifle if your shooting at 600 or 700 yards but why would I wanna shoot something at 700 yards? are there that many guys that are 100 percent sure there gonna drop it at that range? I doubt it maybe a handful that I would believe.
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They have discontinued some excellent rounds. 303 Savage is a prime example.
@@tonyhemingway7980 well as soon as the .300 savage was born the .303 savage was doomed. and the .300 savage had the same fate from the .308. you could also say the 99 savage was an excellent rifle and you'd be right. its happened to a lot of good rounds most of em from the 1960s.
I am pretty impressed with the Winchester Power Point out of the 308, bullet stayed together very well!
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