Issue with DoT is that the "T" currently isn't really Time but Turns You can spend an infinite amount of time waiting for the damage to proc but until the enemy starts its turn you're never going to see it outside of forced triggers like Kafka/E4 Sampo/etc Meanwhile in most other games with DoT mechanics the enemies actually do take damage every set amount of time regardless of their actions Some ideas about the ways I would like to see DoT fixed in HSR are as follows: 1)Have the DoTs actually have their own separate turn on the AV barwhere they automatically trigger (which would be sort of convoluted to show ingame but I'm sure HYV can figure it out) 2)Similar to point number 1, add a tick-rate mechanic in which enemies automatically take DoT damage after a set amount of AV that is separate from the enemy's actual turn (which could also add some new interactions like character being able to make them tick faster without actually triggering them like Kafka does) 3)Simplest of all would be to just have DoT deal damage whenever anyone takes any action during the battle (would need a serious amount of balancing and HYV would probably just make a character that does exactly this rather than make it universal)
I am from the future. Fugue did not work with DoT, however she did end up as a really good Hypercarry unit, replacing silverwolf for non-mono teams completely. Hypercarry kinda needs jesus too rn.
the sad truth is that outside of break bleed, the other dots are painfully weak as only bleed scales with how big the break bar and how much HP the enemy has so at base (vs elite+) Burn: 3767 Shock: 7535 Wind Shear: 11302 they do scale with break effect, but as you stated in the video, "break damage dealt" doesn't effect them, DMG% doesn't effect them. except ones that specify DoT damage: Eye's of Pray, Woof Walk Time, and Solitary Healing so even with a really strong BE setup, best case is you can get like 250 BE you'd be at best (before DEF modifier) roughly 66k if you got both shock and the x3 wind shear (Kafka/Swan) on a single enemy, while also crippling both their ATK values it just doesn't work 3.0 DoT team is just going to be Boothill/Luka/Fugue for double bleed dot, all other dots can't keep up
the only way I see DOT being saved, is a harmony character that make DOT characters proc the damage in their turns and in the enemies turn, since ruan mei is not the support for DOT(we just use bcz theres no one).
Just make DOTs also reduce toughness bars and deal superbreak dmg. Just bummed that Exo toughness DOES NOT ADD another Break DOT for characters to proc
It does add another DoT but only if a different character breaks the second bar, e.g. Kafka breaks the first bar and Black Swan breaks the second bar would end up with one Shock and one Wind Shear
YEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm so glad a youtuber found my post on reddit about using ehr on DoT and using DoT on actions. Lets spread the idea more, so hopefully the devs catch wind of this idea. I sent it to hoyo through the feedback, and I'm sure if more CCs and players send it through they might consider it.
shiii, yh bro. i read the idea and i actually liked the idea bc it bettered the dot mechanic a lot and gave actual use to ehr rather than just having it be consistent in landing debuffs. i've been meaning to make a discussion video on dot too since ykkk fugue is ANOTHER fire nihility character that isn't specialised in dot. i will do what must be done so that we're heard fr
Just pulled fugue yesterday since i had the same thoughts as you of mixing break and dot as both can scale off with break dot def shred and vulnerability I had E3 S1 black swan E0S0 kafka with tutorial lc for 2-3 turn ults even while using a break rope and resolution on fugue with Gallagher to deal break dmg and sustain This team can 2-3 cycle svarog and 1450 ish av cocolia Really love the team since it has all of my fav characters so basically a dream team lol
ooh, that's actually fantastic that you managed to pull this off. i'm looking to work on a vid tmrw and showcase her with dot in moc (or the new pure fiction since i've been waiting out on it). fugue is such an amazing character fr, truly the dream team
@MyschyfI started the game for tingyun herta and black swan and they're till my top favs so having atleast two of them in the same team is amazing Also I tried fugue in pf with dot and i don't think Kafka aoe is enough to keep up but you'll prolly do better cause of higher investment I run kafka on eagle btw and with tutorial it's a lot of action advance and dot triggers i think it might outmatch the speed given by kafka signature lol
Eagle kafka is actually pretty interesting. I remember seeing another cc clear moc at 0 cycles with it. The most i can do with my kafka is put at 170 spd and go slow swan. Idk again, i’ll give it a try tmrw and showcase the best one
@@redrovaeden5143 i think it will. break dot works, and fugue existing just converts that break dmg into superbreak. i'll try it out myself when i get her
ahh, i don't think kafka would be doing anything besides being a battery for acheron's ult. even then i think jiaoqiu would get the job done better bc bro gives vulnerability debuffs. i'll prolly take a look into it later on
Pulled for E1 Fugue. My Kafka is E0S1 BS E0S0 and HH is E1S0. I simply pulled for her because my DoT is minmaxxed as hell. I would say that most of my TB power I spent only in DoT cavern of corrosion.Tbh I kinda regret pulling robin instead of at least BS E1 but it is what it is. Fugue with her E1 makes Kafka break insanely fast combined with Fugue Ult (my Fugue is on ERR% rope). From what I tried and experienced I would say Fugue is viable support for DoT but you need to minmax her relics in order to have DoT profit from her.
@@Bubbles_Meeow E1 Fugue. Shiii, I think E2 would be great too bc the action advance every ultimate is valuable. What are the relics you’re using on her and what’s her break effect looking like?
@ I’m using 2x 2pc BE relics and Talia planar. She’s running 174+ and is around 160% BE. Testing Herta LC for Nihility. SW event LC and Resolution is working nice. Maybe I’ll try to get Iron cavalry 4pc but I don’t really see it as useful for DoT.
@@Bubbles_Meeow 174+ with 160% is actually pretty decent ngl. i tried resolution, but i haven't tried herta lc or sw event lc yet. the original plan was to pull for fugue's lightcone and js save pulls for an actual dedicated dot support
I honestly don't get why you WANT to be forced to pull for a new limited character every single patch? If you like DoT then use DoT and save pulls? DoT is still insanely good. Just pull for eidolons when a DoT character is rerun and you have an insanely good team without being forced into spending all your pulls constantly. My friend has the same comp as you (e1s1 swan, e2s1 kafka) but with Ruan Mei (e1s1) and her team was still better than mine all the way up until Feixiao released (I have a follow up team aven/robin/topaz all e1s1), and e2 is not even the max. Go for e4s or e6s of characters you like (you said in the video you like kafka) and your team will still easily clear end game content. That way you can actually save your warps. You said f2p would not have Jiaoqiu e2 and that's wrong. Assuming an e0s0 follow up or break team, and all other limited pulls used on DoT since the game release, there is still enough f2p pulls for e2 kafka, e2 swan, e2 ruan mei, and e2 Jiaoqiu combined. The only way an f2p would NOT have enough pulls is either if they haven't been playing long (in which case why are you trying to clear endgame content?) or if they pulled for another team comp (like a 3rd team or eidolons on 2nd team), in which case why are you complaining about DoT being bad when you specifically invested into a different team instead of DoT? New chars for your preferred team every patch while also trying to keep up with a somewhat usable 2nd team comp is absolute HELL, especially for f2p. Space them out so that people actually have time to save for chars. I agree that it's getting close to time for a new DoT char, but I definitely do not agree that there should have ALREADY been one. If you're a heavy DoT enjoyer, then you should have been saving pulls for DoT this entire time, and have enough for 4+ guarnteed limited chars (or 2 e1 limiteds).
People just refust to use the best DoT support who was basically created for it, Ruan Mei. She helps to retrigger DoTs by "freezing" enemies. + all of her buffs work well with DoTs.
Ruan mei wasn't really made for DoTs. The patch where she came out there aren't even any DoT enemies for you to use them on. And the patch afterwards her mechanics are counter intuitive for DoT gameplay. Chef Dinosaur won't self destruct when broken. Sleepie's soul cages won't release teammates when broken. Ruan Mei is mostly good on dots because she is a generalist. Same with Huo Huo. She's not really retriggering the DoTs. And the dmg difference is only about 10% without eidolons. But that's less of a DoT kit that's more of a universally Good kit.
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Issue with DoT is that the "T" currently isn't really Time but Turns
You can spend an infinite amount of time waiting for the damage to proc but until the enemy starts its turn you're never going to see it outside of forced triggers like Kafka/E4 Sampo/etc
Meanwhile in most other games with DoT mechanics the enemies actually do take damage every set amount of time regardless of their actions
Some ideas about the ways I would like to see DoT fixed in HSR are as follows:
1)Have the DoTs actually have their own separate turn on the AV barwhere they automatically trigger (which would be sort of convoluted to show ingame but I'm sure HYV can figure it out)
2)Similar to point number 1, add a tick-rate mechanic in which enemies automatically take DoT damage after a set amount of AV that is separate from the enemy's actual turn (which could also add some new interactions like character being able to make them tick faster without actually triggering them like Kafka does)
3)Simplest of all would be to just have DoT deal damage whenever anyone takes any action during the battle (would need a serious amount of balancing and HYV would probably just make a character that does exactly this rather than make it universal)
ive said this a million times, and im really glad other people are saying the same thing
the amount of copium that we'll go through for a new DoT team... 😔
yes, and i'm one of them. it'll happen, one day...
@Myschyf yesss! pls HOYO, we're starving 😭
I am from the future. Fugue did not work with DoT, however she did end up as a really good Hypercarry unit, replacing silverwolf for non-mono teams completely. Hypercarry kinda needs jesus too rn.
the sad truth is that outside of break bleed, the other dots are painfully weak
as only bleed scales with how big the break bar and how much HP the enemy has
so at base (vs elite+)
Burn: 3767
Shock: 7535
Wind Shear: 11302
they do scale with break effect, but as you stated in the video, "break damage dealt" doesn't effect them, DMG% doesn't effect them. except ones that specify DoT damage: Eye's of Pray, Woof Walk Time, and Solitary Healing
so even with a really strong BE setup, best case is you can get like 250 BE you'd be at best (before DEF modifier) roughly 66k if you got both shock and the x3 wind shear (Kafka/Swan) on a single enemy, while also crippling both their ATK values
it just doesn't work
3.0 DoT team is just going to be Boothill/Luka/Fugue for double bleed dot, all other dots can't keep up
the only way I see DOT being saved, is a harmony character that make DOT characters proc the damage in their turns and in the enemies turn, since ruan mei is not the support for DOT(we just use bcz theres no one).
100%, dot rn is cooked atm for ppl with no investment. i've been using robin in my dot team bc the action advance is good for putting out more dmg
Just make DOTs also reduce toughness bars and deal superbreak dmg.
Just bummed that Exo toughness DOES NOT ADD another Break DOT for characters to proc
It does add another DoT but only if a different character breaks the second bar, e.g. Kafka breaks the first bar and Black Swan breaks the second bar would end up with one Shock and one Wind Shear
As much as we DOT enjoyers coped, she’s just plainly not viable enough, time for another patch of hoping for supports🙏🏽
YEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm so glad a youtuber found my post on reddit about using ehr on DoT and using DoT on actions. Lets spread the idea more, so hopefully the devs catch wind of this idea. I sent it to hoyo through the feedback, and I'm sure if more CCs and players send it through they might consider it.
shiii, yh bro. i read the idea and i actually liked the idea bc it bettered the dot mechanic a lot and gave actual use to ehr rather than just having it be consistent in landing debuffs. i've been meaning to make a discussion video on dot too since ykkk fugue is ANOTHER fire nihility character that isn't specialised in dot. i will do what must be done so that we're heard fr
Just pulled fugue yesterday since i had the same thoughts as you of mixing break and dot as both can scale off with break dot def shred and vulnerability
I had E3 S1 black swan E0S0 kafka with tutorial lc for 2-3 turn ults even while using a break rope and resolution on fugue with Gallagher to deal break dmg and sustain
This team can 2-3 cycle svarog and 1450 ish av cocolia
Really love the team since it has all of my fav characters so basically a dream team lol
ooh, that's actually fantastic that you managed to pull this off. i'm looking to work on a vid tmrw and showcase her with dot in moc (or the new pure fiction since i've been waiting out on it). fugue is such an amazing character fr, truly the dream team
@MyschyfI started the game for tingyun herta and black swan and they're till my top favs so having atleast two of them in the same team is amazing
Also I tried fugue in pf with dot and i don't think Kafka aoe is enough to keep up but you'll prolly do better cause of higher investment
I run kafka on eagle btw and with tutorial it's a lot of action advance and dot triggers i think it might outmatch the speed given by kafka signature lol
Eagle kafka is actually pretty interesting. I remember seeing another cc clear moc at 0 cycles with it. The most i can do with my kafka is put at 170 spd and go slow swan. Idk again, i’ll give it a try tmrw and showcase the best one
Im saying how about kafka bs fugue and huohuo .. team 1
Is this viable ???
And ff/ rappa htb rm and lingsha team 2 works ...already
@@Onii-Chan-UwU could work. Could also try replace huohuo with lingsha. I’m going to pull for fugue and try it out for myself
@Myschyf ok...
Fugue is super break focused. So, I don't think she'll be good for DoT. Unless DoT can do superbreak damage this entire time and no one knew
@@redrovaeden5143 i think it will. break dot works, and fugue existing just converts that break dmg into superbreak. i'll try it out myself when i get her
@@redrovaeden5143 Fugue has team wide super break baked into her kit.
I think they should merge the dot and break arctypes like they did with huohuo, ghalagher and aventurine
they already work well together
I mean with how they fixed break builds with super break, yeah they are NOT gonna do something substantial like reworking an entire mechanic lol.
Would archeron kafka fugue fu xuan work?
That seems fun
ahh, i don't think kafka would be doing anything besides being a battery for acheron's ult. even then i think jiaoqiu would get the job done better bc bro gives vulnerability debuffs. i'll prolly take a look into it later on
@Myschyf I don't have jiaoqiu
I pulled fugue but have no team for her
I have 0 of the break DPS and I have no linsha I think I might be cooked
@rohanbob5157 nahh, ur fine. if you replace jiaoqiu for silverwolf or pela. if you don't have either those then ur acc cooked
@Myschyf I have pela built yes but no sliver wofl lmao
@rohanbob5157 all good then. try out acheron, pela, fugue, and fu xuan. think that would help ngl
Somebody need to buff Hoyoverse cos they seem kinda dumb ngl
this. this is gospel. in-depth analysis on why hoyoverse needs to buff their workers coming soon...
Pulled for E1 Fugue. My Kafka is E0S1 BS E0S0 and HH is E1S0. I simply pulled for her because my DoT is minmaxxed as hell. I would say that most of my TB power I spent only in DoT cavern of corrosion.Tbh I kinda regret pulling robin instead of at least BS E1 but it is what it is. Fugue with her E1 makes Kafka break insanely fast combined with Fugue Ult (my Fugue is on ERR% rope). From what I tried and experienced I would say Fugue is viable support for DoT but you need to minmax her relics in order to have DoT profit from her.
@@Bubbles_Meeow E1 Fugue. Shiii, I think E2 would be great too bc the action advance every ultimate is valuable. What are the relics you’re using on her and what’s her break effect looking like?
@ I’m using 2x 2pc BE relics and Talia planar. She’s running 174+ and is around 160% BE. Testing Herta LC for Nihility. SW event LC and Resolution is working nice. Maybe I’ll try to get Iron cavalry 4pc but I don’t really see it as useful for DoT.
@@Bubbles_Meeow 174+ with 160% is actually pretty decent ngl. i tried resolution, but i haven't tried herta lc or sw event lc yet. the original plan was to pull for fugue's lightcone and js save pulls for an actual dedicated dot support
I honestly don't get why you WANT to be forced to pull for a new limited character every single patch? If you like DoT then use DoT and save pulls? DoT is still insanely good. Just pull for eidolons when a DoT character is rerun and you have an insanely good team without being forced into spending all your pulls constantly.
My friend has the same comp as you (e1s1 swan, e2s1 kafka) but with Ruan Mei (e1s1) and her team was still better than mine all the way up until Feixiao released (I have a follow up team aven/robin/topaz all e1s1), and e2 is not even the max. Go for e4s or e6s of characters you like (you said in the video you like kafka) and your team will still easily clear end game content. That way you can actually save your warps.
You said f2p would not have Jiaoqiu e2 and that's wrong. Assuming an e0s0 follow up or break team, and all other limited pulls used on DoT since the game release, there is still enough f2p pulls for e2 kafka, e2 swan, e2 ruan mei, and e2 Jiaoqiu combined. The only way an f2p would NOT have enough pulls is either if they haven't been playing long (in which case why are you trying to clear endgame content?) or if they pulled for another team comp (like a 3rd team or eidolons on 2nd team), in which case why are you complaining about DoT being bad when you specifically invested into a different team instead of DoT?
New chars for your preferred team every patch while also trying to keep up with a somewhat usable 2nd team comp is absolute HELL, especially for f2p. Space them out so that people actually have time to save for chars. I agree that it's getting close to time for a new DoT char, but I definitely do not agree that there should have ALREADY been one. If you're a heavy DoT enjoyer, then you should have been saving pulls for DoT this entire time, and have enough for 4+ guarnteed limited chars (or 2 e1 limiteds).
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People just refust to use the best DoT support who was basically created for it, Ruan Mei. She helps to retrigger DoTs by "freezing" enemies. + all of her buffs work well with DoTs.
Ruan mei wasn't really made for DoTs. The patch where she came out there aren't even any DoT enemies for you to use them on. And the patch afterwards her mechanics are counter intuitive for DoT gameplay. Chef Dinosaur won't self destruct when broken. Sleepie's soul cages won't release teammates when broken. Ruan Mei is mostly good on dots because she is a generalist. Same with Huo Huo. She's not really retriggering the DoTs. And the dmg difference is only about 10% without eidolons. But that's less of a DoT kit that's more of a universally Good kit.