A) Ranger does about nothing in this build. Favored Enemy helps against Stag Lord, though. B) Bard qualifies for Dragon Disciple? - Then it is in every respect superior to Sorcerer; especially as Bards can cast in armor. Archaeologist also gives a Luck bonus to himself; instead of the party-wide Competetence buff. C) Stalwart Defender, after the first level, mostly improves duration. And: It is quite hard to use up those charges. ;) DR on Insane: Forget it; and the first two stance powers (vs. Sickened and vs. Fear) are nice, but not a huge incentivizer. D) Barbarian Rage is also nice ( for those few rounds that it lasts on low levels...) ; however, if you care actually about your defense ( and saves) , then Divine Guardian (Paladin) instead is the clear go-to. So: Pick a race with bonus to Str/Cha (Aasimar Angelkin) , and go LG. - Guardian 2- 3 Archaeologist 1 DD 4 Slayer 1 Vivisectionist 1 Stalwart 1-3 (for Uncanny) ; - and the rest likely into Two-Handed Fighter: 7 , for higher DPS, with Backswing. Starting stats: Sth. like 18+2 / 13 / 14 / 8 ( or 10) / 8 ( or 10) /12+2 . Has far more feats available , and still far better saves.
If the game folows the pnp then keen and improved critical range feat do not stack. A Falchion is 18-20 base (3 numbers that crit) and 1 single doubling makes it 15-20 (6 numbers that crit). Either keen or improved critical are a doubling on their own so you only need one of them. Depending on what would be better for you, you could switch out the feat or the weapon for something else.
The Heart of Ira bugged from the release - it gives exhostion immunity forever, even if you not wearing it. So put in on, then off and now you can wear any necklace you want.
If you pick 2h fighter lvl 3 instead of slayer 1, ranger 1 and barb 1, and go for combat reflexes and teamwork feets for extra attacks, and ofc serpent prince, this build would actually make sense.
I don't understand the point of getting 6 levels of Stalwart Defender. Does the defensive stand increase your DPS? Why not just some levels of 2h fighter?
Hi love the vid! Would you still say these are adoptable in WOTR? ive been looking at alot of your Kingmaker builds because they do not have to mix a mythic(cuz they did not exist yet ha) so it allows me to sort of do more of what I want with a solid skeleton of build.
Think this needs an update, ranger and slayer seem not that viable (it's not just humans we will fight) and as it has been mentioned Stalwart Defender brings not much to the table in this constellation (bug fixed raging+stance) aside from uncanny dodge. Could just go with more levels in base barbarian and grab heavy armor. Thoughts?
i prefer class unfair guide you provide as always, but this is not bad sir! note : eldritch knight or dragon sorc class next please (i didnt see any prestige class yet in your videos)
@@indorilnerevar8716 Go to the Lonely Barrow, clear all the level (which is important coz at certain point the way back is blocked by some Barbarian undead which spawns some more), then proceed to the lower level. There's a blocked way which can be opened much later through a quest. But you can use teleport spell or a monk ability and teleport through the wall coz you can see using light spell somehow through the wall. Then there's a lich but you don't fight him, just run staight up and grab items from the crate and then teleport back or just let that character die and resurrect him. (you can use Linzi for that but she gets teleport at level 10). Lich wont follow you through the blocked way and the combat just ends. Dont keep your party near the wall. So the only restriction is a teleport spell which is a 4 level arcane spell. You get some insane weapons (+5 dueling sword, +5 great axe, +5 heavy crossbow which is 2d10 and some other) with great abilities. You may come later for the lich coz he gives your full party 60k exp and 20k for quest as well as +8 wis, char and int hat, +8 bracers and some more but for now it's just great to steal his stuff. Last checked on 2.0.3, was still working. If you don't need lich items the easiest way to kill him is polymorphing him into a dog. But then you cant grab his own shit. That lich is actually a very fun looking dog.
if you going for dragon disciple you dont need to go for the motherless tiefling since the dragon disciple gets a bite attack making it redundant to have one already.
isnt rage a moral bonus? Thought it didnt stack with stuff. Also the spell "rage", thought it did the same thing. It does look like you got heroism to stack with rage tho so maybe it works here??? odd...
Pal, everything in the detail : Lethal stance gives you COMPETENCE BONUS which means it doesn't stack with bard song for example. Reckless stance is a bonus with no attribut which means it stacks with everything. Don't forget to check the name before the attack/dmg bonus. Moral Sacred Chance Competence don't stack with the same kind of bonus.
Rage and defensive stance dont stack with each others,this build is worthless! It is based on a bug(like reach throwing axes build) and not viable! If you want a strenght monster try this with the motherless tiefling(Barbarian Armored hulk or inv rager 11,vivisectionist 1 sorcerer or archeologist Bard1 ,Dragon disciple 4,slayer 3)coupled with WF Falchion or Greataxe or Greatsword, dazzling display shatter defenses,power attack,cornugon smash chain,accomplieshed sneak attack, critical focus,Tiring or staggering critica,cleave and cleaving finish blind fight and Outflank;Rage powers(Lethal stance,deadly accuracy,internal fortitude,fearleass rage and animal fury stacking with the motherless bite attack granting 6 iteratives).With Enlarge person and rage plus mutagen and DDR bonus ti strenght you got a +10 Str,translated +5 to hit plus 3 lethal stance plus 1 wf,plus 3 rage(+12to hit)excluding weapon and spells bonuses with a full bab capped at 17.With gears (and a plus 8 belt)you have(with haste heroism greater and enlarge and outflank) with a plus 5weapon and all stats boost to Str(starting with these stats 20,12,14,6,10,10;20 point build)and studied target and prayer and concealment a +57to hit(52 power attacking)not counting Bard inspire courage(up to 61)(with guarded hearth with mod wis 10 71,power attacking 65 or just 62 without a Bard)
Like the idea of cornugon smash chains to shaken and shatter defenses for sneak attacks, though the investment is heavy and greater trip, might be just as viable (though in another way - AOO sneaks)?
Who came up with that 100classes mixed into one bullshit... I hope the next pathfinder game limits class mixes to 3. And how can the best skills all be lvl 1 skills...
A) Ranger does about nothing in this build. Favored Enemy helps against Stag Lord, though.
B) Bard qualifies for Dragon Disciple? - Then it is in every respect superior to Sorcerer; especially as Bards can cast in armor. Archaeologist also gives a Luck bonus to himself; instead of the party-wide Competetence buff.
C) Stalwart Defender, after the first level, mostly improves duration. And: It is quite hard to use up those charges. ;) DR on Insane: Forget it; and the first two stance powers (vs. Sickened and vs. Fear) are nice, but not a huge incentivizer.
D) Barbarian Rage is also nice ( for those few rounds that it lasts on low levels...) ; however, if you care actually about your defense ( and saves) , then Divine Guardian (Paladin) instead is the clear go-to.
So: Pick a race with bonus to Str/Cha (Aasimar Angelkin) , and go LG.
- Guardian 2- 3 Archaeologist 1 DD 4 Slayer 1 Vivisectionist 1 Stalwart 1-3 (for Uncanny) ; - and the rest likely into Two-Handed Fighter: 7 , for higher DPS, with Backswing.
Starting stats: Sth. like 18+2 / 13 / 14 / 8 ( or 10) / 8 ( or 10) /12+2 . Has far more feats available , and still far better saves.
For your level one you go with what?
Hey man, you started from Paly?
Motherless Tiefling
20/14/16/-/-/- (- means minimal)
Skills focus: Get to arcana 5 asap to qualify for dragon disciple.
Level Class, Feat
1 Armored Hulk Barb, Toughness
2 Vivisectionist Alchemist
3 Ranger, Weapon focus: Falchion + Favored Enemy: Humans
4 Slayer
5 Socerer, Dragonic Bloodline + Iron Will + Extend Spell
6 Dragon Disciple (DD)
7 DD, Dodge + Power Attack
8 DD
9 DD, Improved Iron Will
10 Armored Hulk Barb, Reckless Stance
11 Stalwart Defender (SD), Improved Critical: Falchion
12 SD, Smash
13 SD, Great Fortitude
14 SD, Fearless Defense
15 SD, Improved Great Fortitude
16 SD, Increased Damage Reduction
Abuse Heart of Ira extensively.
Hey! Do you know if this build is still viable? Is it better than regular 2H Fighter?
@@GaSeRGuanoApes I have no idea lol...Haven't played this game for so long...
@@JohnSmith-bs9ym Thanks! xD
Bokken's potion gives +2 inherent bonus to all stats. The ring of circumstances give another +2 to three stats.
How do these thing work
If the game folows the pnp then keen and improved critical range feat do not stack. A Falchion is 18-20 base (3 numbers that crit) and 1 single doubling makes it 15-20 (6 numbers that crit). Either keen or improved critical are a doubling on their own so you only need one of them. Depending on what would be better for you, you could switch out the feat or the weapon for something else.
Sad I didn't find these builds earlier. Great content for a game I want to love.
The Heart of Ira bugged from the release - it gives exhostion immunity forever, even if you not wearing it. So put in on, then off and now you can wear any necklace you want.
3:15 that 9 wis is painfully suboptimal - you could easily dump the 16 con to 14 and take wis to 12, maybe even go 14 wis since it's discounted
If you pick 2h fighter lvl 3 instead of slayer 1, ranger 1 and barb 1, and go for combat reflexes and teamwork feets for extra attacks, and ofc serpent prince, this build would actually make sense.
I hate everything about this, but I also absolutely love it XD
Ciao. A very nice build, but I think you have to set CHA at least at 12, in order to cast the spells :)
Think he's relying on the equipment for that. The +8 mental perfection thing is awesome.
I don't understand the point of getting 6 levels of Stalwart Defender. Does the defensive stand increase your DPS? Why not just some levels of 2h fighter?
I'm Turning Amiri into this!
Amiri have 16 base str...
@@johnnythedark3090 Yup. Which means she'll have 4 less total than this build. That only ends up being 2 attack and damage worse
Hey great build! Does anyone know if the Rage and Defensive Stance bug still exists?
Hi love the vid! Would you still say these are adoptable in WOTR? ive been looking at alot of your Kingmaker builds because they do not have to mix a mythic(cuz they did not exist yet ha) so it allows me to sort of do more of what I want with a solid skeleton of build.
Why don't you use mobility for most of your characters? Doesn't it help with penalties for armor class?
any chance of a build outline for download
Think this needs an update, ranger and slayer seem not that viable (it's not just humans we will fight) and as it has been mentioned Stalwart Defender brings not much to the table in this constellation (bug fixed raging+stance) aside from uncanny dodge. Could just go with more levels in base barbarian and grab heavy armor. Thoughts?
yep just realised fighter, barb is more viable, SD is patched also so more points in barb or fighter is more viable i think.
Do you have a updated version of this build after the changes?
i prefer class unfair guide you provide as always, but this is not bad sir!
note : eldritch knight or dragon sorc class next please (i didnt see any prestige class yet in your videos)
Hey man, thanks for the build. Maybe a strange question, but do you have a link to the portrait of the blond guy at the far right?
I'd go for greataxe as a weapon coz you can steal one +5 early one from the lich.
Where do you get this bro?
@@indorilnerevar8716 Go to the Lonely Barrow, clear all the level (which is important coz at certain point the way back is blocked by some Barbarian undead which spawns some more), then proceed to the lower level. There's a blocked way which can be opened much later through a quest. But you can use teleport spell or a monk ability and teleport through the wall coz you can see using light spell somehow through the wall. Then there's a lich but you don't fight him, just run staight up and grab items from the crate and then teleport back or just let that character die and resurrect him. (you can use Linzi for that but she gets teleport at level 10). Lich wont follow you through the blocked way and the combat just ends. Dont keep your party near the wall. So the only restriction is a teleport spell which is a 4 level arcane spell. You get some insane weapons (+5 dueling sword, +5 great axe, +5 heavy crossbow which is 2d10 and some other) with great abilities. You may come later for the lich coz he gives your full party 60k exp and 20k for quest as well as +8 wis, char and int hat, +8 bracers and some more but for now it's just great to steal his stuff. Last checked on 2.0.3, was still working. If you don't need lich items the easiest way to kill him is polymorphing him into a dog. But then you cant grab his own shit. That lich is actually a very fun looking dog.
@@VelvanTivius Cheers brother, just finished "Season of Bloom" so I have some free adventure time.
if you going for dragon disciple you dont need to go for the motherless tiefling since the dragon disciple gets a bite attack making it redundant to have one already.
@Ernest Cruz Bite stacks in this game, but not claws. Go figure.
Does this still work or has the rage and defensive stance bug been fixed?
Where did you find such a nice portrait pls. :D
isnt rage a moral bonus? Thought it didnt stack with stuff. Also the spell "rage", thought it did the same thing. It does look like you got heroism to stack with rage tho so maybe it works here??? odd...
Why Reckless stance when Lethal stance does the same thing without the penalty to ac?
Pal, everything in the detail :
Lethal stance gives you COMPETENCE BONUS which means it doesn't stack with bard song for example.
Reckless stance is a bonus with no attribut which means it stacks with everything.
Don't forget to check the name before the attack/dmg bonus.
Moral
Sacred
Chance
Competence
don't stack with the same kind of bonus.
Great video!
why not Lethal Stance ?
Can you show us how to max out a dual wielding dart/throwing axe/javelin build?
Definitely :D
Great build😄
Great build. Thank you
Rage and defensive stance dont stack with each others,this build is worthless! It is based on a bug(like reach throwing axes build) and not viable! If you want a strenght monster try this with the motherless tiefling(Barbarian
Armored hulk or inv rager 11,vivisectionist 1 sorcerer or archeologist Bard1 ,Dragon disciple 4,slayer 3)coupled with WF Falchion or Greataxe or Greatsword, dazzling display shatter defenses,power attack,cornugon smash chain,accomplieshed sneak attack, critical focus,Tiring or staggering critica,cleave and cleaving finish blind fight and Outflank;Rage powers(Lethal stance,deadly accuracy,internal fortitude,fearleass rage and animal fury stacking with the motherless bite attack granting 6 iteratives).With Enlarge person and rage plus mutagen and DDR bonus ti strenght you got a +10 Str,translated +5 to hit plus 3 lethal stance plus 1 wf,plus 3 rage(+12to hit)excluding weapon and spells bonuses with a full bab capped at 17.With gears (and a plus 8 belt)you have(with haste heroism greater and enlarge and outflank) with a plus 5weapon and all stats boost to Str(starting with these stats 20,12,14,6,10,10;20 point build)and studied target and prayer and concealment a +57to hit(52 power attacking)not counting Bard inspire courage(up to 61)(with guarded hearth with mod wis 10 71,power attacking 65 or just 62 without a Bard)
Like the idea of cornugon smash chains to shaken and shatter defenses for sneak attacks, though the investment is heavy and greater trip, might be just as viable (though in another way - AOO sneaks)?
Did you ever play NWN 1?
Of course! I loved that game :D Played NWN 2 also
Would this build be more or less powerful on difficulties under unfair?
Any build is more powerful on lower difficulty xD
common sense: whatever works in the highest difficulty, will work even better in the lower.
Thanks
3:15 wait.. that's illegal!
all im seeing is a mess of a build here thats more focused on survial than anything else,seems like this guy is the tank not a monster of any kind.
You can tell that the game is not well balanced if a single class is far inferior to multiclass.
Who came up with that 100classes mixed into one bullshit... I hope the next pathfinder game limits class mixes to 3. And how can the best skills all be lvl 1 skills...