Hey Alex, I'm a watchmaker and took a job for an Aerospace company working on tiny components. As part of my training they sent me to micro soldering school for a few IPC certifications. The only experience I had was watching your videos and the instructor was kinda shocked how good my work was. I really enjoyed it and am going to put together a soldering bench in my workshop. Just wanted to say thanks for the help, I appreciate it.
This looks like a pre-installed stand-off that was not checked before mounting the board. Basically the pin was putting pressure one point at the board which might have cracked the traces
Alex. I have been watching your videos for the last two months or so and I'm totally addicted. Not only because of my passion for electronic repairs but also because of your wise ways and your good advise. I enjoyed also watching the videos where you inspire people and explain how you deal with those "awkward" clients that's clearly being dishonest. Keep doing what you're doing and don't ever stop these videos. You're an inspiration. If ever I visit that side I'll be sure to pop in. God bless you. From South Africa.
Brother I just received my order today the flux and the solder wire is the best Quality I have seen. I want to thank you for this great Channel and I appreciate the work you doing. 👍👍👍
Hey man love the channel, overclocking memory nowadays gets you far far more performance gain over cpu and gpu. Also that motherboard is defective from the factory for the first revisions. The memory overclocking on them was broken. So unfortunately fixing the trace won’t do anything for him.
If you drive a fast car, you have to rev the engine a little. I prefer to overclock my hardware, but it usually involves custom watercooling, hours upon hours of research, and years of experience to fall back on. I like to stress the hardware to see how far I can push things, but usually settle for a slight overclock (or underclock) to increase performance without sacrificing stability. I am currently running a Ryzen 9 5900X with a DDR4000 kit of memory running at 3600MHz. The Samsung B Die kit has great latency at 3600, but tends to crash if infinity fabric is set to anything higher. With the overclocking on the CPU, GPU, and RAM, I am getting the most out of my current CPU while also extending the usefulness of my 6 year old GPU. I can't recommend it to everyone, but I enjoy the challenge of finding out what the hardware is capable of.
I don't really understand how Asus did not repair that, their repair department just saw some traces exposed but did not test any further or try to fix, saw a lot of devices that could be fixed returned from official manufacturer service as unfixable. I wish you happy new year and a better 2023 year, peace to all.
I believe they don't repair anything at all, they outright replace your motherboard and perhaps send the bad one to some centralized office where they salvage the parts.
Actually, memory overclocking is hugely important, especially for AMD cpus. IF you buy DDR4 3600MHz memory (for AM4) but can't overclock then it will only run at 2666MHz and it will not allow the CPU/infinity fabric to run at its most optimal speed (2:1 ratio for memory speed to infinity fabric clock). Basically, if you can't overclock memory then your memory won't even run at its advertised speed and it will hold back the CPU. (It's also significant on Intel platform as well, But AMD is particularly sensitive to memory speed.) And yes, running at the rated speed of your ram is overclocking it....
@@vt6020 No, overclocking is running above the rated speed the manufacturer states, I got some 5600mhz DDR5 ram and set it to run at 6000MHz, this is overclocking, JEDEC spec is just the baseline that ram has to be manufactured and run at.
Very useful video. Thank you. That board is getting the holes very easy chopped up because it is heavy and we have to be very careful when placing it to the mounting holes. In some tower cases where it is difficult to place the board properly it is better to remove the case's spacers from the middle of the motherboard not to damage the tracers.
Holy Crap..............did he lay this down on a gravel drive way?? I am always surprised how rough people treat their electronics. I still have my Dell XPS 15 and except for a twisted power cord that I replaced, it still works as well as the day I bought it FIVE YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Z690 and Z790 boards from all manufacturers have a consistent problem with memory overclocking/XMP. XMP does actually present a good amount of benefit, and it’s extra RAM speed that you pay extra for that the factory verified it can run, but the current gen doesn’t really like doing it in certain cases. I had two different high-end Asus motherboards (different variant of this same board) that both would fail POST if DIMM 3 was populated while XMP was enabled - you can work around it if you manually set timings, but it’s not plug and play like XMP and may take some time to get right.
Overclocking is a big deal on Intel and AMD. If he’s not able to run any XMP profiles (overclocking the memory) your better off replacing the board. XMP is a default memory overclock to reach the rated speeds advertised on high end memory. He doesn’t specify if he’s doing the normal XMP or trying to go above that but yes this is super important or you will be stuck at base default speeds that are much slower than what’s labeled on the packaging.
the vast majority of memory speeds are above the JDEC spec's so you need to enable XMP profiles which is effectively memory overclocking to get your ram to run at the advertised speeds. It also enables using faster memory timings. Now as to how much of an impact this is varies depending on the type of ram used, type of CPU used, the sensitivity of the game/app to memory speeds, latency timing uses but it can be very significant amounts of performance left on the table (in my case with a ryzen 5000 cpu and 3600 CL6 DDR4 between 10-20% in certain memory intensive games/workloads).
Thanks again My Good Sir for another lesson at the NF University, its great when the damage is visible on a board, to most superficial damage to us a potential for a Fix. Love that last bit of testing on ur new trace it shows alot that you chose to go back beyond ur repair point to ensure the effectiveness of ur repair.
due to watching youre video's i managed to repair 2 ecu's of 2 cars a volkswagen and an opel you do it on computer parts and i did it on car parts i was always afrais to solder the broken lines myself but thanks to youre vieo's i now know what to do and how to do it many thnmx fot it 👋👋👋👋👋👋
Grinding those traces stresses me out every time. I usually just scrape away slowly with a blade. You must have the calmest hands is history. Also, I haven't tried the masking, UV lamp, plus heat yet. Seem like a good idea. Great job!
XMP and the AMD version (AMP) are overclocking profiles basically built into/included with good quality ram kits these days. They are actually advertised at this "overclocked" value and being unable to utilise these increased speeds can result in quite significant bottlenecks depending on the application. If this customer is talking about overclocking ram beyond the included profiles ... well then you are into hit and miss territory. Maybe you get to squeeze out some more performance, maybe it makes your system to unstable to really be useful.
Xmp is for intel yes but AMD is not called amp it is docp or somthing silly...also judge by the condition of his mounting holes he has no idea how to build a pc much less tinker with one so I would guess he just means xmp and not actually overclocking
@@samgoff5289 Yeah they have changed it a couple times. Was docp, went to amp (like on my board - which doesnt work) and now is now EXPO or something on AM5. Or like everyone calls it ... xmp.
Fast module kits are so overpriced that you'll profit way more by investing the cash in a CPU of higher frequency and larger cache, without having to do risky experiments at the edge of stability.
Memory speeds are getting more and more important for modern systems. Gains of 30% compared to budget value memory are not uncommon for bandwidth/timing sensitive applications.
Memory speed does not matter these days because of fast and improved ssd. Games use gpu memory which are already ddr5 and ddr6. It only matter to overclock the ram if you have 4gb gpu or you are having a very high-res monitor.
Of all the pc I’ve built and laptops I’ve gone through over the years. I can safely say that Asus has more quality control issues than other manufacturers when it comes to motherboards. But they lead the way in laptop failing. You can’t go wrong with a MSI, or gigabyte mb paired to intel processor. I’m still rocking my i7 6700k. Upgraded to m.2 upgraded to 4000 mhz 32gb ram and paired it to 3070. Don’t have any issues. Even when I had my 1080 I was able to get decent frame rate on most if not all games.
Unbelievable how some people treat their gear. That's a 1500$ motherboard! It look like it was just tossed in the case and shaken until it found it's place on the standoff's lol
Your customer not just overclocks the board but also damage it too at the same time, I assume he is a smart, very responsible and has a lot of background knowledge to be able to do such things
as a i.t technician, i always remind my self to handle the pc hardware part with a just tiny pressure, because i know with a single over pressure the pcb board will broken n cant run as a complete circuit board, then when pcb was short, is hard to find an expert pcb soldering like sir alex, great job sir alex, u should teach ur son the art of soldering that u had mastered, btw im just pro in playing games, lol
I am an AMD gamer. With an AMD processor, the overclocking ram will give you the most significant performance boost over anything else you can do. If I don't overclock my ram, I will only get around 130 FPS in some games. When I overclock the RAM, I can get up to 250 FPS in games with Ultra settings. It is a significant improvement. I know this board is for Intel; it also helps Intel processors work faster.
Hi Northridge I've seen a few of your video and not only are they very educational but very enjoyable to watch. I really appreciate how you take the time to explain everything you do and why, you are very clear and I really especially like the micro scopic view you give us that allow us to see the very mynute details of your process. Can you tell me what the blue apparatus microscope that hovers over electronics that displays on the screen is called? I might want to get one. Thank you very much
You mean the microscope. We have Version 2 now and it's black in color. The blue one was version 1. . northridgefix.com/product/microscope-camera-bundle-1080-60fps-180x-lens-ring-adapter-2-barlow-lenses-0-5x-0-75x/
Omg! I saw your other video titled "my struggles starting a repairbusiness" and you managed to cause me emotional stress! Lol 😆 what a story! And you tell it very well, then it dawned on me, why am I stressing out? I forgot I was listening to your story not mine!! Wow
Alex overcklocking a memory helps alot in term of cpu minning. The share submitions increases and its easily to find a block. In term of normal user u can buy a normal 2400mhz Ram cheap and you have a Ryzen running at 3200mhz . Overcklocking the Ram from 2400mhz to 3200mhz improves alot in the system . Hope my explainatation Help . Happy new year and Much Love to You ❤
the fastest CPU is hampered by slow working memory, you can gain quite a bit of performance when CPU and RAM are overclocked. technically applying the XMP profile already counts as overclocking since it goes over the spec, when you manually tweak your clocks and timings you gain a bit more performance, but that requires reliable clean power and good components, it is a very finnicky process
Memoryspeeds are often overlooked by many people because the memory wasn't the bottleneck in the past. On more modern hardware memory is a bottleneck. That often the memory bandwidth gives more gains then rising the cpu or gpu clockspeeds. F.e. i nearly doubled ! my CPU score at 3dmark TimeSpy just by changing to a better memory setup going from 4 dimm ddr4 z690 to 2 dimm ddr5 z790 apex with a 13900k heavily bottlenecked by slow memory. Ofcorse there are also much cases where the memory bandwidth is not bottlenecking and gains are zero ...
overclocking your memory from base 2133MHz clock to like 3200 can make a huge difference in performance. Memory bandwidth is really underrated. A single channel configuration can make you lose 20% gaming performance pretty easily.
Hey Alex. When u buy memory you want the speed advertised like 3000 or 3600 or higher. By default they come set lowest speed. Apply XMP in bios and u get advertised speed. People like Steve from GN as well as kingpin from EVGA all overclock and compeat scores for GPU, CPU, and faster memory will help render a better score.
1: Overclocking memory works so that the CPU is constantly fed with data. CPUs have gone a long way to the point that they are starved for data and modern applications rely on huge transfer of data to work. Old applications on the i5-2500k used to not get any gains on DDR3-1866CL11 vs DDR3-1333CL7 but with modern games and applications it can make computer twice faster. Same thing with newer CPUs, especially with the 1st-3rd gen Ryzen architecture designs. 2: for the anti-glare, might I recommend installing a polarizing filter in front of the lens? In photography, we use this to reduce glare on shiny surfaces. We call this a CPL filter we screw in front of the lens. There downsides such as that you may need to increase light and things may look too flat.
Over clocking memory is how you make the most gains in gaming or gaming related workloads (3d mark for instance). In some games, like overwatch or warzone, a memory overclock can see increases of 20-50%. A CPU can't perform if it has no data. Enter fast memory to keep the CPU fed. When ocing memory, depending on how far you manage to take it, you can achieve a 2x increase bandwidth and about 30% lower latency.
when you're increasing bandwidth with overclock, you usually need (apart from voltage) a bit more "relaxed" timings, which means higher latency. you need very high quality ram chips to keep the latency the same.
there is a lot to understand about memory overclocking. in terms of motherboard memory, you have single/dual rank, dual/triple/quad (in consumer boards) channel memory. some cases having 4x8g sticks will be better than having 2x 16g, this comes down to rank and a few other things like how the motherboard is wired up, be it daisy chain or t topology. higher speed memory can affect certain application performance. you can pretty much pick one of the points i mentioned and read/watch hours of content to understand it fully. I suggest dont get into it too much if you have a full plate.
Hi Alex, I’ve got the same motherboard but it will no longer detect my keyboard and has a cmos error code 88. This happened after connecting the fan hub and resulting in a bad burning smell. I live in Australia and was wondering if i can ship the motherboard to you for repairs? Thanks Alex
I think this person might be overclocking in competition. Hardwarebot is a platform that offers overclocking competition, each percentage you can gain might boost your position in Ranking. HWbot is also an excellent resource on hardware performance and specifications, the database contains so many hardwareproducts so you can compare and look at performance. For competition OC you often have the board out on an open bench table, tinker with cpu mountings, Extreme cooling and possibly LN2 so damaging boards happens frequently.
Overlooking memory can be super beneficial in carrying and spreading the overall load on an overclocked system especially with compatible sticks where speeds can be upped by around 30%.
This is false. There is no benefit when you increase the frequency AND the latency lol. You’re just drawing more power which leads to premature failure and more wasted energy
Memory OC is so common that you buy rated kits. The reference speed is often very low and memory kits are often more capable of running more MT/s. This makes more difference with AMD due to their fabric, but it helps all systems with data transfer between system and CPU. It's the second most common form over overclocking, in fact XMP profiles often overclock ram and CPU.
Just an idea but it would be good if you could give us an update on if the customer was satisfied or not at the end of every video. Just an idea thats all.
This is a common scenario from Alder Lake but it’s kinda interesting it came through your shop. To give you context. With Alder Lake, ASUS had a batch or two of early revision boards with varying issues. Those ranged from PCB impedance problems, DIMM slot QC problems, and even the weird capacitor issue that the Hero had. It was not uncommon for ASUS to deny RMAs for arbitrary reasons (in this case not so arbitrary) and they would often send users back previously returned boards that are clearly not new. Quite a debacle. The customer was fully validated in sending the board back, some of these samples were absolutely egregious and DDR5 speed is very important for extracting performance.
Oh and I just got my strix 3080 TI for the second RMA and so far so good. No black screening yet. But I’ll be sending it to you if it happens again. EFF Asus
I just don't understand why people even attempt to work on computers. I know we live in a different world than what I'm used to (I'm 62) but that don't change the fact that these are complicated machines. I used to work on my cars but these days I wouldn't pretend I know how to fix one.
Overclocking memory gives faster data transfer between memory and CPU. In games where GPU is not a bottle neck, it will give few additional frames per second.
Often people that purchase the ASUS Extreme, MSI Godlike, Gigabyte AORUS Xtreme, etc want the performance to be in a class by itself. Some people actually go for world records. The RAM speed difference absolutely adds performance and increases benchmarks. It's also a board that's used for obtaining world records. In my case I have the next generation ASUS ROG Extreme Z790 and I'm able to get 4x DDR5-6200 .. while there are no kits that offer that density and speed. CPU-Z 9yk75j
@@LawrenceTimme .. No they don't. That's a fictional description. Literally every spec is better and faster on those motherboards. The CPU-Z (see above) in addition to my Corsair Flex is $10,000 plus, the motherboard is literally strong enough to break everything attached to it. If you're not going to overclock and you're not going to attach parts that are to the limits of specs it still would be faster.
This guy must be a real cowboy some people shouldn’t be turned loose on such delicate electronics I have the same motherboard and believe me I was a lot more careful with it
Overclocking memory produces faster performance due to the fact that memory is the "working area" of a PC. Anything that resides in memory, notably the files that make up a video game, can be accessed much faster. Overclocking a CPU is a "brute force" method while overclocking memory produces increased efficiency and faster frame rates.
was this the board w a broken pin came off in cpu socket? i remember u straighten pins but one was broken. Is this that board.? if so explains the memory
How would you go about removing UV Masking, haven't come across a video yet in my channel-bingeing where you've had to come back to re-do work on something you've covered yet
Overclocking memory can help with certain applications such as high frequency financials and AI applications. It also directly reduces latency for in-memory databases.
overclocking the ram by selecting the saved XPM profile on the ram kit its pretty much a must do, its not like overclocking a CPU or GPU the RAM klt brings the settings saved on them you just have to select it on the bios, otherwise you can pretty much lose a ton of perfomance, and no, this is not an "overclock" that makes them super hot or consuming tons of power, its a way to apply the speeds the kit supports on the box.
Overclocking is absolutely critical. We need to gain than extra 5 to 10 frames of performance when gaming. It makes a huge difference. It doesn't matter how much damage it causes or how expensive it is to fix.
Great video! There is quite a bit of performance to be gained by overclocking memory. eg. increasing from the DDR5 JEDEC spec (ie. not overclocked or even using XMP profiles) of 4800 MHZ (or MT if you prefer), can give *substantial* performance improvements. For example, my DDR5 kit can hit 7000 MT C32 with safe daily voltages. That's approximately a 50% increase in bandwidth over JEDEC spec.
But how does that 50% increase in throughput translate to overall system or gaming performance, especially on an Intel system like this? IIRC, AMD Ryzen is the one that likes fast RAM, and even then the gains aren't really that large unless your RAM is a trash speed to begin with, like 2133MT DDR4. The think the largest gains I've seen are (unsurprisingly) Ryzen APUs which uses system RAM for the GPU. Not to mention, lowering the latency seems to have more effect than increasing MT.
DDR5 with XMP is already overclocking 4800mhz modules to upwards of 6000+ mhz. The gains are not worth it IMO as you have to increase voltages and you then run into corruption issues. All for a a 1 or 3 FPS if that.
overclocking memory is equally important like cpu or gpu overclocking its like an triangle (it depends on each other) you can clock your cpu high to 4.8 ghz (i know is not that high anymore,i'm getting old ;p) but if you do, its gonna suffer in memory bandwith its gonna go under your spec that you set before hand. so thats the fun in overclocking to see how far you can set coreclocks before you see your memory tank in performance then you know you hit the max . equally an gpu likes an good overclocked CPU/RAM config to run better/higher clocks did'nt say anything about undervolting yet that a thing too.. how do i say this: in a motorcycle you have to have your fuel, spark/air(compression) to start engine right, pc is the same..
Its a lot of benefit from overcloc, dont have to do much just get the good cpu and memory ratio usually 5-10% tuning for the components, but because they after working "in sync" you can get way faster computer.
If he is using an old "contact frame" then it can inhibit memory speed simply by the frame being too close to the memory traces and act like a capacitor. I had the same problem when developing the 9th gen direct to die frame and it took me about a week to figure it out. Now, when I ship a direct to die frame I also include a 4mil mylar "gasket" that goes down first. This eliminated the memory speed limit. Yes, I made the direct to die frames 4mil thinner so it would maintain the correct CPU location when tightened down. Seems the newer frames (Thermalright, Thermaltake, Grizzly) have trimmed the area that is close to the memory traces to eliminate this problem. If he is not using a frame, that can also cause it since the pressure is so high on the ILM, it bends the CPU. Get a frame!
I´m reading all these comments about how RAM OC can give you up to 50% extra performance in certain games, yet I haven´t seen it in real life. I need more context, because I´m curious. What kind of rig do you have to have in order to get extra performance out of the RAM? Where I live, I don´t see GPUs faster that a 1080ti (yes, I know I´m outdated, but this is my reality). Are the benefits of fast RAM available in mid range CPUs too? For example, can I benefit an I5 12500 CPU with 3200MHz RAM instead of 2400MHz? (DDR4, of course). Have you seen any potential gaming performance improvement?
Could you make a video where you point your UV light to the camera directly? I’m going on a vacation soon and need a tan. I would pause your video and make a few tanning sessions. Thanks in advance.
Best wishes for the owner, but usually this kind of repairs affect directly the stability of the RAM speeds, so maybe he should forget about memory OC. Next time he will be more careful. About OC RAM and CPU, of course it raises performance, but after all, this kind of expensive boards are made for enthusiast people who enjoy taking their systems to maximum performance. There are cheaper options for people who doesn't want to "play games" with their system speeds, voltages.. As always, amazing job.
7:35 - 8:17 Lets say the CPU and GPU keeps getting faster and faster, there come's a point when the RAM speed reaches its equilibrium or limits, think of the RAM like.... the middleman between the CPU and GPU. In some cases, AMD "Ryzen" CPU's are MORE sensitive to the stock/slow memory, so running it at its fastest will make it happier instead of out of the box configuration the BIOS tells it to , Memory OC also proves helpful in games for Ryzen. 👍 But since this is a "Z690" board for INTEL, the performance gains are somewhat marginal. 👍 DDR5 is like a gimmick for now... DDR4 is still plentiful fast for gaming and productivity, the benchmarks on other TechTubers video's proved it.
Ryzen / Intel B and H Boards Memory OC very effective on modern systems. 10% improvements easy enough with just timing optimization. Intel z boards can often run crazy high speeds on top of faster timings for bigger gains again.
same board. excellent never a problem. Never been dropped or something dropped on it. my pci-e slot lock my gpu into the slot. wound up chipping off piece of board . then i made a fatal mistake after i filled loop and reinstalled the 24 pin but w power still on it arc buzz as i inserted it and blew the boaard. Now RMA can be tricky how u phrase things as u explain what happened. Brand new one. was sent . Bargain
Massive gains especially in 1080p. Memory is very very important. RAM bottlenecks the CPU mostly in terms of latency. the CPU is much faster than the ram. Your CPU essentially waits around for the RAM when it needs to access it.
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Hey Alex,
I'm a watchmaker and took a job for an Aerospace company working on tiny components. As part of my training they sent me to micro soldering school for a few IPC certifications. The only experience I had was watching your videos and the instructor was kinda shocked how good my work was. I really enjoyed it and am going to put together a soldering bench in my workshop. Just wanted to say thanks for the help, I appreciate it.
That is one golden comment! Better than factory...look at this
When the motherboard mounting holes are chopped up to hell, you know the person doesn't know what they are doing.
How much pressure did they use .. I cringed at them poor holes…
i was gonna say the same thing
When asked how he assembled PCs he replied UNGA BUNGA
bull in a china shop. some people shouldn't be touching electronics
mabye he used an impact drill🤣
How people manage to inflict this amount of damage to a board is beyond me :D Excellent repair as usual :)
They used a hammer to wedge the board into the case is my only guess or had a tug of war with their dog.
This looks like a pre-installed stand-off that was not checked before mounting the board. Basically the pin was putting pressure one point at the board which might have cracked the traces
By installing the board by sliding it in place without removing the AIO. Happened to me once, glad I didn't break anything.
That person needs to hire someone to do any more physical work on a PC. Does his PC toolkit include a claw hammer?
it's very easy.
Alex. I have been watching your videos for the last two months or so and I'm totally addicted. Not only because of my passion for electronic repairs but also because of your wise ways and your good advise. I enjoyed also watching the videos where you inspire people and explain how you deal with those "awkward" clients that's clearly being dishonest. Keep doing what you're doing and don't ever stop these videos. You're an inspiration. If ever I visit that side I'll be sure to pop in. God bless you. From South Africa.
Most people don't realize how hard it is to repair small traces. Well done as always!
I've never seen damage caused like that before. How you kept a straight face is commendable.
Let him learn from his mistakes to ruin a motherboard
Have a great new year to you and family 👍
Brother I just received my order today the flux and the solder wire is the best Quality I have seen. I want to thank you for this great Channel and I appreciate the work you doing. 👍👍👍
Hey man love the channel, overclocking memory nowadays gets you far far more performance gain over cpu and gpu. Also that motherboard is defective from the factory for the first revisions. The memory overclocking on them was broken. So unfortunately fixing the trace won’t do anything for him.
Fancy seeing you here.
If you drive a fast car, you have to rev the engine a little. I prefer to overclock my hardware, but it usually involves custom watercooling, hours upon hours of research, and years of experience to fall back on. I like to stress the hardware to see how far I can push things, but usually settle for a slight overclock (or underclock) to increase performance without sacrificing stability. I am currently running a Ryzen 9 5900X with a DDR4000 kit of memory running at 3600MHz. The Samsung B Die kit has great latency at 3600, but tends to crash if infinity fabric is set to anything higher. With the overclocking on the CPU, GPU, and RAM, I am getting the most out of my current CPU while also extending the usefulness of my 6 year old GPU. I can't recommend it to everyone, but I enjoy the challenge of finding out what the hardware is capable of.
Lol!! I love when you shine the uv light at the camera. Thank you!
Everytime, a new learning experience... Thank you for taking the time to explained and teach us. 👍
I don't really understand how Asus did not repair that, their repair department just saw some traces exposed but did not test any further or try to fix, saw a lot of devices that could be fixed returned from official manufacturer service as unfixable. I wish you happy new year and a better 2023 year, peace to all.
I believe they don't repair anything at all, they outright replace your motherboard and perhaps send the bad one to some centralized office where they salvage the parts.
The damage was causes by misuse and inexperience. I agree with Asus
@@gordonm2821, even the pins of the CPU-socket have been damaged.
Most manufacturers do not do repairs like this. It's all swap tronics. If you can't just replace a module, then it's not fixable to them.
Actually, memory overclocking is hugely important, especially for AMD cpus. IF you buy DDR4 3600MHz memory (for AM4) but can't overclock then it will only run at 2666MHz and it will not allow the CPU/infinity fabric to run at its most optimal speed (2:1 ratio for memory speed to infinity fabric clock). Basically, if you can't overclock memory then your memory won't even run at its advertised speed and it will hold back the CPU. (It's also significant on Intel platform as well, But AMD is particularly sensitive to memory speed.) And yes, running at the rated speed of your ram is overclocking it....
@@OKuusava XMP or DOCP are considered overclocking, because it configures the RAM module to run beyond it’s JEDEC specifications.
@@OKuusava DDR4 runs at 2133mhz. Anything more is an overclock.
@@vt6020 No, overclocking is running above the rated speed the manufacturer states, I got some 5600mhz DDR5 ram and set it to run at 6000MHz, this is overclocking, JEDEC spec is just the baseline that ram has to be manufactured and run at.
*2133mhz
xmp should not be called overclock , its been tested to run on those speeds and timings by the factory and its sold with those speeds on the price tag
Very useful video. Thank you. That board is getting the holes very easy chopped up because it is heavy and we have to be very careful when placing it to the mounting holes. In some tower cases where it is difficult to place the board properly it is better to remove the case's spacers from the middle of the motherboard not to damage the tracers.
Holy Crap..............did he lay this down on a gravel drive way??
I am always surprised how rough people treat their electronics.
I still have my Dell XPS 15 and except for a twisted power cord that I replaced, it still works as well as the day I bought it FIVE YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Z690 and Z790 boards from all manufacturers have a consistent problem with memory overclocking/XMP. XMP does actually present a good amount of benefit, and it’s extra RAM speed that you pay extra for that the factory verified it can run, but the current gen doesn’t really like doing it in certain cases. I had two different high-end Asus motherboards (different variant of this same board) that both would fail POST if DIMM 3 was populated while XMP was enabled - you can work around it if you manually set timings, but it’s not plug and play like XMP and may take some time to get right.
Overclocking is a big deal on Intel and AMD. If he’s not able to run any XMP profiles (overclocking the memory) your better off replacing the board. XMP is a default memory overclock to reach the rated speeds advertised on high end memory. He doesn’t specify if he’s doing the normal XMP or trying to go above that but yes this is super important or you will be stuck at base default speeds that are much slower than what’s labeled on the packaging.
the vast majority of memory speeds are above the JDEC spec's so you need to enable XMP profiles which is effectively memory overclocking to get your ram to run at the advertised speeds. It also enables using faster memory timings. Now as to how much of an impact this is varies depending on the type of ram used, type of CPU used, the sensitivity of the game/app to memory speeds, latency timing uses but it can be very significant amounts of performance left on the table (in my case with a ryzen 5000 cpu and 3600 CL6 DDR4 between 10-20% in certain memory intensive games/workloads).
Thanks again My Good Sir for another lesson at the NF University, its great when the damage is visible on a board, to most superficial damage to us a potential for a Fix. Love that last bit of testing on ur new trace it shows alot that you chose to go back beyond ur repair point to ensure the effectiveness of ur repair.
due to watching youre video's i managed to repair 2 ecu's of 2 cars a volkswagen and an opel you do it on computer parts and i did it on car parts
i was always afrais to solder the broken lines myself but thanks to youre vieo's i now know what to do and how to do it
many thnmx fot it
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Grinding those traces stresses me out every time. I usually just scrape away slowly with a blade. You must have the calmest hands is history.
Also, I haven't tried the masking, UV lamp, plus heat yet. Seem like a good idea.
Great job!
The secret to a steady hand is to rest part of your hand on the table, then hold the tool with your fingers. Try it.
've never seen damage caused like that before. How you kept a straight face is commendable.
AMD CPUs heavily depend on RAM speeds. Could give you a performance increase of 20% in some cases.
It is an intel board.
APUs need that, not CPUs.
That just shows how badly AMD is engineered lol
Thanks for your videos, your soldering explanations and works helped me to replace a joystick on my son's Xbox controller and hes very happy now
used impact gun to put motherboard screws in?
XMP and the AMD version (AMP) are overclocking profiles basically built into/included with good quality ram kits these days. They are actually advertised at this "overclocked" value and being unable to utilise these increased speeds can result in quite significant bottlenecks depending on the application. If this customer is talking about overclocking ram beyond the included profiles ... well then you are into hit and miss territory. Maybe you get to squeeze out some more performance, maybe it makes your system to unstable to really be useful.
Xmp is for intel yes but AMD is not called amp it is docp or somthing silly...also judge by the condition of his mounting holes he has no idea how to build a pc much less tinker with one so I would guess he just means xmp and not actually overclocking
@@samgoff5289 Yeah they have changed it a couple times. Was docp, went to amp (like on my board - which doesnt work) and now is now EXPO or something on AM5. Or like everyone calls it ... xmp.
@@samgoff5289 I use ryzen and on my bios says A-XMP
Fast module kits are so overpriced that you'll profit way more by investing the cash in a CPU of higher frequency and larger cache, without having to do risky experiments at the edge of stability.
AMD called it EXPO now
Memory speeds are getting more and more important for modern systems. Gains of 30% compared to budget value memory are not uncommon for bandwidth/timing sensitive applications.
Used to be the most important thing in the 80s early 90s, too
Memory speed does not matter these days because of fast and improved ssd. Games use gpu memory which are already ddr5 and ddr6. It only matter to overclock the ram if you have 4gb gpu or you are having a very high-res monitor.
Especially on AMD systems as the Infinity Fabric is tied to the memory speeds.
@@tyrellwreleck4226 It matters on AMD Ryzen systems. Go look at a video comparing memory speeds on Ryzen systems.
@@tyrellwreleck4226 ssd are way way slower than ram
Of all the pc I’ve built and laptops I’ve gone through over the years. I can safely say that Asus has more quality control issues than other manufacturers when it comes to motherboards. But they lead the way in laptop failing. You can’t go wrong with a MSI, or gigabyte mb paired to intel processor. I’m still rocking my i7 6700k. Upgraded to m.2 upgraded to 4000 mhz 32gb ram and paired it to 3070. Don’t have any issues. Even when I had my 1080 I was able to get decent frame rate on most if not all games.
LOL,i bought an asus TUF laptop 4 months ago,the display already had to be replaced due failure :D
🤟I thought the hot air in conjunction with UV light tip came from you. It's all good.
nice work as usual.
Unbelievable how some people treat their gear. That's a 1500$ motherboard! It look like it was just tossed in the case and shaken until it found it's place on the standoff's lol
Your customer not just overclocks the board but also damage it too at the same time, I assume he is a smart, very responsible and has a lot of background knowledge to be able to do such things
as a i.t technician, i always remind my self to handle the pc hardware part with a just tiny pressure, because i know with a single over pressure the pcb board will broken n cant run as a complete circuit board, then when pcb was short, is hard to find an expert pcb soldering like sir alex, great job sir alex, u should teach ur son the art of soldering that u had mastered, btw im just pro in playing games, lol
All the best Alex. Love your videos.
I am an AMD gamer. With an AMD processor, the overclocking ram will give you the most significant performance boost over anything else you can do. If I don't overclock my ram, I will only get around 130 FPS in some games. When I overclock the RAM, I can get up to 250 FPS in games with Ultra settings. It is a significant improvement. I know this board is for Intel; it also helps Intel processors work faster.
Hi Northridge
I've seen a few of your video and not only are they very educational but very enjoyable to watch. I really appreciate how you take the time to explain everything you do and why, you are very clear and I really especially like the micro scopic view you give us that allow us to see the very mynute details of your process. Can you tell me what the blue apparatus microscope that hovers over electronics that displays on the screen is called? I might want to get one. Thank you very much
You mean the microscope. We have Version 2 now and it's black in color. The blue one was version 1. . northridgefix.com/product/microscope-camera-bundle-1080-60fps-180x-lens-ring-adapter-2-barlow-lenses-0-5x-0-75x/
Omg! I saw your other video titled "my struggles starting a repairbusiness" and you managed to cause me emotional stress! Lol 😆 what a story! And you tell it very well, then it dawned on me, why am I stressing out? I forgot I was listening to your story not mine!! Wow
Alex overcklocking a memory helps alot in term of cpu minning.
The share submitions increases and its easily to find a block.
In term of normal user u can buy a normal 2400mhz Ram cheap and you have a Ryzen running at 3200mhz .
Overcklocking the Ram from 2400mhz to 3200mhz improves alot in the system .
Hope my explainatation Help .
Happy new year and Much Love to You ❤
the fastest CPU is hampered by slow working memory, you can gain quite a bit of performance when CPU and RAM are overclocked. technically applying the XMP profile already counts as overclocking since it goes over the spec, when you manually tweak your clocks and timings you gain a bit more performance, but that requires reliable clean power and good components, it is a very finnicky process
Excellent work as always, Happy New Year!
Memoryspeeds are often overlooked by many people because the memory wasn't the bottleneck in the past. On more modern hardware memory is a bottleneck. That often the memory bandwidth gives more gains then rising the cpu or gpu clockspeeds. F.e. i nearly doubled ! my CPU score at 3dmark TimeSpy just by changing to a better memory setup going from 4 dimm ddr4 z690 to 2 dimm ddr5 z790 apex with a 13900k heavily bottlenecked by slow memory. Ofcorse there are also much cases where the memory bandwidth is not bottlenecking and gains are zero ...
Cool. Didn’t know irrelevant benchmarking actually applied to real users (it doesn’t)
better than factory new year alex and to your family and viewers
Microsurgery Alex! Insane!
overclocking your memory from base 2133MHz clock to like 3200 can make a huge difference in performance. Memory bandwidth is really underrated. A single channel configuration can make you lose 20% gaming performance pretty easily.
No it doesn’t lol. Increasing frequency and latency is dumb lol
Hey Alex. When u buy memory you want the speed advertised like 3000 or 3600 or higher. By default they come set lowest speed. Apply XMP in bios and u get advertised speed. People like Steve from GN as well as kingpin from EVGA all overclock and compeat scores for GPU, CPU, and faster memory will help render a better score.
1: Overclocking memory works so that the CPU is constantly fed with data. CPUs have gone a long way to the point that they are starved for data and modern applications rely on huge transfer of data to work. Old applications on the i5-2500k used to not get any gains on DDR3-1866CL11 vs DDR3-1333CL7 but with modern games and applications it can make computer twice faster. Same thing with newer CPUs, especially with the 1st-3rd gen Ryzen architecture designs.
2: for the anti-glare, might I recommend installing a polarizing filter in front of the lens? In photography, we use this to reduce glare on shiny surfaces. We call this a CPL filter we screw in front of the lens. There downsides such as that you may need to increase light and things may look too flat.
Over clocking memory is how you make the most gains in gaming or gaming related workloads (3d mark for instance). In some games, like overwatch or warzone, a memory overclock can see increases of 20-50%.
A CPU can't perform if it has no data. Enter fast memory to keep the CPU fed.
When ocing memory, depending on how far you manage to take it, you can achieve a 2x increase bandwidth and about 30% lower latency.
when you're increasing bandwidth with overclock, you usually need (apart from voltage) a bit more "relaxed" timings, which means higher latency. you need very high quality ram chips to keep the latency the same.
there is a lot to understand about memory overclocking. in terms of motherboard memory, you have single/dual rank, dual/triple/quad (in consumer boards) channel memory. some cases having 4x8g sticks will be better than having 2x 16g, this comes down to rank and a few other things like how the motherboard is wired up, be it daisy chain or t topology. higher speed memory can affect certain application performance. you can pretty much pick one of the points i mentioned and read/watch hours of content to understand it fully. I suggest dont get into it too much if you have a full plate.
Hi Alex, I’ve got the same motherboard but it will no longer detect my keyboard and has a cmos error code 88. This happened after connecting the fan hub and resulting in a bad burning smell. I live in Australia and was wondering if i can ship the motherboard to you for repairs? Thanks Alex
I think this person might be overclocking in competition. Hardwarebot is a platform that offers overclocking competition, each percentage you can gain might boost your position in Ranking. HWbot is also an excellent resource on hardware performance and specifications, the database contains so many hardwareproducts so you can compare and look at performance. For competition OC you often have the board out on an open bench table, tinker with cpu mountings, Extreme cooling and possibly LN2 so damaging boards happens frequently.
Don't sulk become they don't appreciate. That's why u are sensei. It makes all the difference
Hello, thank you. What type of microscope and camera do you use to repair electronic boards?
Hi m8 i hope you have a happy new year and to your family and i hope next year be a better one
Overlooking memory can be super beneficial in carrying and spreading the overall load on an overclocked system especially with compatible sticks where speeds can be upped by around 30%.
This is false.
There is no benefit when you increase the frequency AND the latency lol. You’re just drawing more power which leads to premature failure and more wasted energy
Memory OC is so common that you buy rated kits. The reference speed is often very low and memory kits are often more capable of running more MT/s.
This makes more difference with AMD due to their fabric, but it helps all systems with data transfer between system and CPU. It's the second most common form over overclocking, in fact XMP profiles often overclock ram and CPU.
I don't know why people spend all that money for expensive stuff, and then they don't take care of it. Amazing!
Happy new year in advance man!, hope the new year brings even more success in everyone's life. Ameen
Just an idea but it would be good if you could give us an update on if the customer was satisfied or not at the end of every video. Just an idea thats all.
This is a common scenario from Alder Lake but it’s kinda interesting it came through your shop. To give you context.
With Alder Lake, ASUS had a batch or two of early revision boards with varying issues. Those ranged from PCB impedance problems, DIMM slot QC problems, and even the weird capacitor issue that the Hero had.
It was not uncommon for ASUS to deny RMAs for arbitrary reasons (in this case not so arbitrary) and they would often send users back previously returned boards that are clearly not new. Quite a debacle.
The customer was fully validated in sending the board back, some of these samples were absolutely egregious and DDR5 speed is very important for extracting performance.
Oh and I just got my strix 3080 TI for the second RMA and so far so good. No black screening yet. But I’ll be sending it to you if it happens again. EFF Asus
You have those ultra sharp and small probes, would it be possible to use those and not grind the trace until the broken one is found?
Nice :) job Alex. Im fix trace everyday in my shop.
I just don't understand why people even attempt to work on computers. I know we live in a different world than what I'm used to (I'm 62) but that don't change the fact that these are complicated machines. I used to work on my cars but these days I wouldn't pretend I know how to fix one.
Overclocking memory gives faster data transfer between memory and CPU. In games where GPU is not a bottle neck, it will give few additional frames per second.
Often people that purchase the ASUS Extreme, MSI Godlike, Gigabyte AORUS Xtreme, etc want the performance to be in a class by itself. Some people actually go for world records. The RAM speed difference absolutely adds performance and increases benchmarks. It's also a board that's used for obtaining world records.
In my case I have the next generation ASUS ROG Extreme Z790 and I'm able to get 4x DDR5-6200 .. while there are no kits that offer that density and speed. CPU-Z 9yk75j
The extreme boards suck though. The apex has the best performance not the extreme.
@@LawrenceTimme .. No they don't. That's a fictional description. Literally every spec is better and faster on those motherboards. The CPU-Z (see above) in addition to my Corsair Flex is $10,000 plus, the motherboard is literally strong enough to break everything attached to it. If you're not going to overclock and you're not going to attach parts that are to the limits of specs it still would be faster.
This guy must be a real cowboy some people shouldn’t be turned loose on such delicate electronics I have the same motherboard and believe me I was a lot more careful with it
Nice video. Great work. Thank you, greets
Did it fix it? (great bid thanks)
Overclocking memory produces faster performance due to the fact that memory is the "working area" of a PC. Anything that resides in memory, notably the files that make up a video game, can be accessed much faster. Overclocking a CPU is a "brute force" method while overclocking memory produces increased efficiency and faster frame rates.
Hi m8 love wat you do but have a happy new year m8 and all
was this the board w a broken pin came off in cpu socket?
i remember u straighten pins but one was broken. Is this that board.?
if so explains the memory
How would you go about removing UV Masking, haven't come across a video yet in my channel-bingeing where you've had to come back to re-do work on something you've covered yet
Checking out the UV Masking video referenced my assumption is the 'picking' curved blades you showed at the end of it would do the job
Wow. How can one damage traces like that as expensive as the z series is
This board will be ruined again when he reinstalls it... 😳
I think he ruined the motherboard to reinstalls it with the pc standing@@volvo09
Hi alex my kid has a switch lite u can hear soind but no.display do you have any idea what problem could be thanks from scotland
Overclocking memory can help with certain applications such as high frequency financials and AI applications. It also directly reduces latency for in-memory databases.
overclocking the ram by selecting the saved XPM profile on the ram kit its pretty much a must do, its not like overclocking a CPU or GPU the RAM klt brings the settings saved on them you just have to select it on the bios, otherwise you can pretty much lose a ton of perfomance, and no, this is not an "overclock" that makes them super hot or consuming tons of power, its a way to apply the speeds the kit supports on the box.
If the xmp doesnt work the board is pretty much useless. Since he gonna run the ram at 2133 speeds
This man would be an excellent brain surgeon I think...
Overclocking is absolutely critical. We need to gain than extra 5 to 10 frames of performance when gaming. It makes a huge difference. It doesn't matter how much damage it causes or how expensive it is to fix.
Not all overclocking is for gaming; A lot of it is for competitive benchmarking, for fun, as a learning tool, or for very specific use cases.
Great video!
There is quite a bit of performance to be gained by overclocking memory. eg. increasing from the DDR5 JEDEC spec (ie. not overclocked or even using XMP profiles) of 4800 MHZ (or MT if you prefer), can give *substantial* performance improvements. For example, my DDR5 kit can hit 7000 MT C32 with safe daily voltages. That's approximately a 50% increase in bandwidth over JEDEC spec.
But how does that 50% increase in throughput translate to overall system or gaming performance, especially on an Intel system like this? IIRC, AMD Ryzen is the one that likes fast RAM, and even then the gains aren't really that large unless your RAM is a trash speed to begin with, like 2133MT DDR4. The think the largest gains I've seen are (unsurprisingly) Ryzen APUs which uses system RAM for the GPU. Not to mention, lowering the latency seems to have more effect than increasing MT.
Arrggghhh....! You shined the UV light at me again! 🤣🤣🤣
Never have I ever in 38 years caused this type of damage.
you should try video stabilization feature while editing...making me dizzy ..thanks for the video mahn..:)
DDR5 with XMP is already overclocking 4800mhz modules to upwards of 6000+ mhz. The gains are not worth it IMO as you have to increase voltages and you then run into corruption issues. All for a a 1 or 3 FPS if that.
i think a follow will be nice. nice work good equipment is a most
do you ship your products to The Netherlands to?
overclocking memory is equally important like cpu or gpu overclocking its like an triangle (it depends on each other) you can clock your cpu high to 4.8 ghz (i know is not that high anymore,i'm getting old ;p) but if you do, its gonna suffer in memory bandwith its gonna go under your spec that you set before hand. so thats the fun in overclocking to see how far you can set coreclocks before you see your memory tank in performance then you know you hit the max .
equally an gpu likes an good overclocked CPU/RAM config to run better/higher clocks
did'nt say anything about undervolting yet that a thing too..
how do i say this:
in a motorcycle you have to have your fuel, spark/air(compression) to start engine right, pc is the same..
Its a lot of benefit from overcloc, dont have to do much just get the good cpu and memory ratio usually 5-10% tuning for the components, but because they after working "in sync" you can get way faster computer.
If he is using an old "contact frame" then it can inhibit memory speed simply by the frame being too close to the memory traces and act like a capacitor.
I had the same problem when developing the 9th gen direct to die frame and it took me about a week to figure it out.
Now, when I ship a direct to die frame I also include a 4mil mylar "gasket" that goes down first. This eliminated the memory speed limit.
Yes, I made the direct to die frames 4mil thinner so it would maintain the correct CPU location when tightened down.
Seems the newer frames (Thermalright, Thermaltake, Grizzly) have trimmed the area that is close to the memory traces to eliminate this problem.
If he is not using a frame, that can also cause it since the pressure is so high on the ILM, it bends the CPU.
Get a frame!
Did he throw the board into the chassis?
I´m reading all these comments about how RAM OC can give you up to 50% extra performance in certain games, yet I haven´t seen it in real life. I need more context, because I´m curious.
What kind of rig do you have to have in order to get extra performance out of the RAM? Where I live, I don´t see GPUs faster that a 1080ti (yes, I know I´m outdated, but this is my reality).
Are the benefits of fast RAM available in mid range CPUs too? For example, can I benefit an I5 12500 CPU with 3200MHz RAM instead of 2400MHz? (DDR4, of course). Have you seen any potential gaming performance improvement?
you are doctor of electronics mashallah great surgery lol
Could you make a video where you point your UV light to the camera directly? I’m going on a vacation soon and need a tan. I would pause your video and make a few tanning sessions.
Thanks in advance.
Best wishes for the owner, but usually this kind of repairs affect directly the stability of the RAM speeds, so maybe he should forget about memory OC. Next time he will be more careful.
About OC RAM and CPU, of course it raises performance, but after all, this kind of expensive boards are made for enthusiast people who enjoy taking their systems to maximum performance. There are cheaper options for people who doesn't want to "play games" with their system speeds, voltages..
As always, amazing job.
7:35 - 8:17 Lets say the CPU and GPU keeps getting faster and faster, there come's a point when the RAM speed reaches its equilibrium or limits, think of the RAM like.... the middleman between the CPU and GPU.
In some cases, AMD "Ryzen" CPU's are MORE sensitive to the stock/slow memory, so running it at its fastest will make it happier instead of out of the box configuration the BIOS tells it to , Memory OC also proves helpful in games for Ryzen. 👍
But since this is a "Z690" board for INTEL, the performance gains are somewhat marginal. 👍
DDR5 is like a gimmick for now... DDR4 is still plentiful fast for gaming and productivity, the benchmarks on other TechTubers video's proved it.
Ryzen / Intel B and H Boards Memory OC very effective on modern systems. 10% improvements easy enough with just timing optimization. Intel z boards can often run crazy high speeds on top of faster timings for bigger gains again.
hi, is it normal for the battery connector to the motherboard to spark when re attaching.
Came in for repair.
same board. excellent never a problem. Never been dropped or something dropped on it. my pci-e slot lock my gpu into the slot. wound up chipping off piece of board . then i made a fatal mistake after i filled loop and reinstalled the 24 pin but w power still on it arc buzz as i inserted it and blew the boaard.
Now RMA can be tricky how u phrase things as u explain what happened. Brand new one. was sent . Bargain
What is white light stand like thing in front of you called?
Massive gains especially in 1080p. Memory is very very important. RAM bottlenecks the CPU mostly in terms of latency. the CPU is much faster than the ram. Your CPU essentially waits around for the RAM when it needs to access it.
Did the owner assembled his pc on a pavement? how the heck can you damage a mobo like that lol
They used it for sled riding obviously