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Thank you for doing this video. Promoting the (Summit) was down at my Local JD Tractor Dealer. Very close to my Home. I looked at the (1025) definitely see what you mean on add ONS, some were very basic, some with that extra work lights on side steep area, very nice extras. Seeing them in person. when I looked at the (1033) they were the only ones with a (Shuttle shift) F&R with clutch. Now saying this, would like your feedback, have a monster Backhoe with a (shuttle shift) it is a tork converter, just put it in first gear on the floor (no clutch) then pick the right gear for working, all the time (first) have always been used to (shuttle shift ) on Left side of steering wheel. Anyway I sat on the (1025) and the (1033) found myself Liked the (shuttle shift) LEVER to move the tractor. I used to work for a Paving company, they had an (Athey) Belly Blade Grader. It had the Forward and Reverse on a Rocker pedal. Kind of like the pedals on the (1025) had the hardest time making fine movements, it was "Jerky" on me pushing the pedal. I would "Rock back and forth". Having said this. Why do you find the Pedal drive system better if you're like me not used to it. I also ran a construction type JD front loader with (Box Blade) the the one paving company used to get that area in parking lots that big graders can't grade on. We had a (JD-690) Grader. For the big areas. The JD front loader had a (shuttle shift) found it so much easier than the belly blade (Athey) does the (1025) come with a (shuttle type shifter)
Thank you for doing the COST difference on BUYING a Tractor versus HIRING out a contractor. I am like you only I bought a monster Backhoe, my baby is an old 1978 Dynahoe-190 BUCYRUS-ERIE Built them in the 70s & 80s the biggest heavy Backhoe of the time. Will tell you though my Backhoe end is part of the MAIN frame. It is NOT detachable I had to remove a small cement wall by the side of my house that prevents me from any say 8' wide Vehicle from getting by the garage side of the home. By removing the wall still had like 10' Before the property line. I installed the Block wall next to the property fence. It gave me room for a large Backhoe and even full size dumps to back in for my stand by 5/8- gravel pile to store I have had two fire engines backed in with the area that I made LARGER by side of home. One Fire Engine is mine. Restoration project the other was a Wildlands FF Tender ( Tanker-1500gal.) That is used in summer months on contract to D.N.R. the Fire Cadets program needed a place to store her in the off season. My 26 boat trailer has backed up there also. By the large room I made on the side of the garage. Now saying all this why did I buy instead of RENT a backhoe. have had the backhoe since 2003, got it for $5000. Like you said it has paid for itself many times over. Have dug out large maple tree STUMPS in my backyard, took out my cement Driveway when I replaced her. Also dug a new water line ditch, so it would be a new replacement waterline under the new driveway. So,so many jobs have made sense buying her. The big thing I ran into especially when I was still working. Worked with people that thought "O" you OWN a backhoe can you do FREE work for me. If you can afford to OWN one you can AFFORD to just do this digging for me. I even had a coworker who wanted me to Haul her on company OWN trailer. When I told him that it would be illegal to just use the company trailer to haul my Backhoe, for Free. I was enemy number one with that guy after that. He just thought that for his home project he could just use equipment for Free, for personal USE. That's the biggest problem I have run into on OWNER of Backhoe, everyone wants to USE it for FREE.
How I justified buying my tractor... I worked 12 to 16 hour days for years out in the gas fields. I retired and I wanted a tractor. Spend most seat time landplaning and snow removal on about 1.5 miles of gravel road in our development. Wife thinks I'm crazy. I would be if it weren't for all that tractor therapy.
You guys are so funny and extremely helpful as that’s exactly the kind of justification I was looking for and didn’t know how to find it. I thought I was the only one thinking that way 😝
Im curious where you get your material? I recently got 120 yds of sand delivered and it was 4$ a yard but delivery ended up costing nearly 6 a yard. Seems like I'm getting over charged
Being able to put in headphones and get outside on the tractor and do some yardwork while not having anyone disturb you is worth the price of entry in itself.
One thing to consider to is a gravel driveway will always need some degree of maintenance no matter how it was initially installed plus occasional snow removal depending on what part of the country you live so a unless your going to hire out each time having a tractor is a must whether it pays for itself on the first project or over time.
We're right on the same page... thanks for making my research easier! Same size land, same length of driveway. Just pulled the trigger on a new to me tractor. Now I'm hunting for attachments. One difference, our acres are all woods so stump removal and clearing is the fun I get to have right now... and I love playing in the woods after a long day of a desk job.
You should do more videos like this. The major or minor ones where buying a tractor and doing part of it yourself is really a tractor in price cheaper.
Good analysis of the job! There are some intangibles that play into the decision of buying a tractor. Making your work more efficient and personal enjoyment cannot be understated.
Best driveway I got to help with was years ago we took out top soil plus a foot and a half of base. They were replacing us23, and the client arranged for some of those slabs to be hauled over and placed. The rest was busted up clean concrete, then filled all the gaps with rock, then 4s and 5s, then finished with the AA final layer was screenings. It took the client almost 10 years to do a 300' drive, but the cost was next to nothing because so many contractors were just looking to get rid of materials, and he used them as fillers. It took a long time, but that driveway has held up for well over thirty years now.
I dug two drainage ditches, put in a gravel driveway and leveled a site for my new barn. Paid for at least half my tractor over the first year and had a ton of fun doing it.
I just got a nice B7200 for a really good price ... and just paid for a box blab and it is brand new so now I can do drive way work for anyone and for myself and saving the money now .....
That's one big project that paid for the toys... plus many many other fun enjoyable projects for years to come right. Hey if you need a really nice roller to borrow, I've got a 6'wide by 24" diameter with used oil.
Great segment. Now, i just have to convince my wife. I had some bluestone tailgated in my drive a couple of years ago. Its not a long drive, only about 50 yards or so but i used my little JD 1026R, my bucket, box blade and a landscape rake to finish it up nice. I really like that little Summit.
I would look at a different product, crushed limestone or concrete will make your driveway way nicer. We put in several each year with an ABI landplane 7' wide. Our gravel driver's can't believe how nice they turn out. I'm in northern Michigan.
Used Geo Fabric on our 1000' gravel driveway built 11 years ago. No pot holes and has stood up fairly well with only a couple of places on edge it came to top I have to put gravel over it. Probably due to contractor didn't get as much gravel on the edges. Have only had to bring in more gravel one time after 8 years. I would probably do it again with Geo Fabric if I built another drive.
Love this! I typically use my tractor enough each month to cover the payment. Moved 12 ton of rock into our feedroom this week to build up the floor for a concrete pad. Would've taken days with wheel barrows and shovels. Took two hours with the tractor. The equivalent to hire a tractor for that job paid this months payment!
The top load of just dumping on (organic material) is so important. In my area, lots of FARMERS have sold their Farms to big warehouse development investment companies. They do what is called (Preloading) they bring in pit Run gravel. Build up a small flat top basically a mountain of pit Run. The Farming land over years of Farming was so full of crop soil, lots of tilled land, lots of leftovers of Rich soil. Very soft. The big company let that ( Pre Load) Wt. Push itself into a big Lot site for like say 6 months to a year. Then they dig off the top of the material dump truck to another preloaded site ready for Development. The Wt. Pushes that Pit run down into GROUND, so the big cement foundation for Wearhouse stays level, NO big uneven separation cracks in cement floor. That farm Land Fields as you probably know, are very soft. Have seen pictures of Farm Tractor SUNK in wet fields they were working in. This huge Development company has put so many different Semi compact Tractor Dealerships close to my home. There are still small Farm family guys who buy Sub compact Tractor in my area. The JD Dealership is the Largest. With tons of different size subcompact Tractor and attachment.
Thanks for laying out some of the basic for reasons to have a tractor, and some things to consider for grading a gravel road. P.S. Our local John Deere knows your videos too, looks like you have a good following.
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You really do have really good video and reasons to show our wives why we needed these tractors. But on such a large operation as yours, which is understandable as it is a business, you do have equipment that most of us don't such as the skid steers and heavy equipment for digging out the top soil, and a place to put it for the time being. That being said, my LS MT342HC is just going to have to work its little butt off this summer when I do about 300 x 12 foot drive and a 16 x 32 pad for my equipment parking area. Probably can only afford to make a lean to for the 16 x 32 area. Keep up the good work.
Cannot believe that Summit is on 20000 Seems like an awesome tractor for that price oh, and really enjoy your channel Just recently getting obsessed with tractors Really appreciate your opinion, especially your safety plugs. Nice to hear somebody really push the safety aspects
We bought our home and 30acres back in 1995. Our driveway is just under a half mile. We had a Pro come in and grade it and he crowned it also. Then we laid down gravel. Looks Great. However here in Eastern Washington we get lots of snow. So I'm on the tractor and plowing with the pickup alot. No matter how you try the gravel goes away. Then every spring in comes the Big Kenworth laying down more gravel. We got bids to pave back in 1995 and it was just not in the budget.....looking back I wish we would of just found a way and paved the driveway. 🤔
Pavement only lasts so long. Probably cheaper in the long run. Nicest thing is the clean car and extra speed on the driveway. Delivery drivers and emergency vehicles appreciate hard surfaces.
I purchased my first garden tractor ( used ) to till gardens. After using it for 6 yrs or so,I moved up to a Kubota B series. Still small enough to get in back yards to till gardens. I was then asked about mowing fields so I bought a bush hog. All of these jobs were in the side of my normal job. I’d say it took about ten yrs to pay for the equipment. But I now have a good running tractor and a bunch of attachments all paid for. NOW, my last and latest purchase was after two different people inquired about if I could spread seed. So 800 bucks later I have a pto spreader. Down side is both jobs fell through. So it hasn’t made me a dime yet.
I got quotes to cut in a new quarter mile driveway in 2016. They ran between $28-34k for gravel. $34-41k for reclaimed asphalt (millings). $38-$44k for concrete. $72-86K for asphalt. Concrete was the clear winner at half the cost and less maintenance than asphalt (no resealing every 3 years), no raking/dust like gravel, and it could be dyed and stamped to look nicer than a long black/grey slab. I am guessing those options would be around 50% more today and I would still go with concrete, but would add heating elements in a few spots that I now know tend to ice up in winter. I have gravel at my office/warehouse because I need the drainage due to a lack of grade change between the building and road. I had a small lake out there with all the rain we got yesterday here in VA.
Interesting. I've never priced a large concrete vs asphalt project, but I would have imagined the asphalt to be cheaper. Asphalt is definitely more forgiving than concrete. For concrete, it's not "is it going to crack", it's "it WILL crack" (or have slabs shift).
@JCWren once the forms are up it's a really quick process, and the materials are significantly cheaper when you are buying premixed by the truck load. It only took two guys to float and stamp without the expense/hassle of hauling in a roller. Another guy controlled the chute, made sure the forms were secure, and coordinated the deliveries as they went from top to bottom.
Where do you live that materials and labor are so darn high? Where I’m at a 24ton load of 1.5” or 2.5” crushed limestone runs $650, was $500 pre-covid. A skidsteer, grader, or backhoe runs under $150/hr. I’m just kinda mind blown because that project would be under 20k here, even at todays prices.
Great video 😁👍Plus with the tractor you can repair and maintain the driveway for many years to come. I think you said that too😂and your back will last longer less physical therapy 🚜💨🍳
Best advice chip at it after work. I do about a half hour to a hour of brush and tree clearing after work every day and next thing you know you did a lot of work!
I LOVE having my JD 3033R.....I have 30 acres, and I am retired , I can not put a value on the pleasure it is to own and operate my JD ...lets just say it's. ...' PRICELESS ' !
I really enjoy your channel. I concur on saving by doing it yourself. Bummer on not buying American fabric. China subsidizes to put Americans out of work. Looking forward to seeing your driveway results!
I have a hard time getting comfortable with Geo fabric. All I can picture is it coming up at the most inopportune times and you're always trying to figure out how to bury it again. Now if it was down in 6 inches or so I would think that might work great but if it's near the top.... yikes what a mess.
I was using my ATV to plow my gravel driveway. However, after a year I realized it needed maintenance. One quote was all it took for me to become a new tractor owner. As a bonus, plowing snow is orders of magnitude easier and almost enjoyable.
Good call out! You did however forget to figure in the $1,000’s & $1,000’s of dollars that you won’t be paying a Shrink for therapy by getting your tractor therapy in place of the shrink!!!! 😂😂😂. You are right in the fact that if you have the lifestyle that uses equipment you will actually save major dollars over the life of the equipment that you own by doing your own work items in lieu of contracting them out! Great content & Video! 👍👍🔥🔥
Agree. That was the reason we have a large tractor... mile long old neglected gravel/mud driveway that needs a l ot of work. $100K to pay contractor using your numbers. The tractor was a no brainer and large enough to to all the other work required out here.
I have a question. I want a tractor but I also need a pole barn. I have a pretty big slop in the yard so I’d have to flatten the top side and use that to fill in as well as get some more fill. Could I make the pad area for the pole barn with the tractor and what implements would you think would be best.
I've always considered tools and equipment this way. What is the ROI, if any. The only thing we don't include in the calculus is our time. If you can make more money selling your time on your regular job, it may not be justifiable in that way.
You have to consider what else you would actually be doing with that time. Are you taking unpaid time off from your regular job to do the project? Then yes, what you make at that job factors in. Do you have very little time to spend with friends and family and the project will take all your free time? Then it's not worth it for any monetary savings. However, many people work a set amount of hours a week and split the rest of their time among chores, family, hobbies, projects, etc. Were you going to work 60 hours a week (or 80? or 100?) at your job if you didn't do the DIY project? If not, this calculation doesn't make much sense. It's really a question of what brings you satisfaction and provides a balance in your life. A DIY project will almost always pay better than watching Netflix (or RUclips) regardless of what your day job pays! (unless you screw it up badly enough that it needs to be redone by a pro)
I can tell you the amount of work over the years we've done with the tractor here has been tremendous. Built driveways, pads, culverts and filled in ditches. That is just some of the things we've done here. Then got the dump trailer on a pick up and bring in piles to spread in place when spreading it over a distance is not what you're doing. Just building up the yard. Spreading only works if you making a run of it vs. Building up certain areas. All in what you are doing here.
Just a mere suggestion, but you might want to put some larger rock in that muddy location or you will still have mud. In a Pennsylvania I use AASHTO #1 which has just been crushed and usually runs 2”-4””. Makes an excellent base and will allow some drainage.
I justified my tractor, 2038r, against the price of back surgery. As I approach 50 yes old, having the right equipment saves my body and frees up time as well.
Bought my tractor 6 month ago. 2022 Massey Ferguson 1825e with baumalight stump grinder. I started out by clearing some land and getting rid of some stumps on my property and then I started getting calls from my friend and family asking to do the same for them and now their neighbors are calling me to see if I can help them out with some of their projects. Long story short 6 month into owning my tractor I made roughly $2700 from various jobs for friends and family mostly weekend jobs. These little fun jobs are fun and fulfilling but also have paid the monthly payment and diesel bill every month since I got it.
I just picked up my new 25 hp tractor/backhoe/loader a few months ago. My justification was that I needed it to help build a 24 x 30 lean-to shed. My wife asked what is the shed for? I said it was to store the tractor and attachments. She just shook her head. 🤣
This the video you play for your wife if you don't have a Summit. 🤣🤣🤣 Get it done your way and know what you got. Priceless. Watch it with the box blade later that it don't catch that fabric.
Nice math project. I bet there are a lot of guys pitching this same deal to their wives trying to convince them that buying a tractor can actually save them money. Well done and I like your logic. Can't put a price on tractor seat time because it is pure enjoyment, at least most of the time.
It seems really odd how all these driveways in the US seem to have plastic underlay - it's going to cause a massive micro-plastics contamination into the future. What did you guys do before this was available? Did all roads just disappear? What we do here in Australia is remove a few inches of top soil to get to the firmer stuff and build up the driveway on top of that - 70-100mm of 20mm all-in gravel usually. No problems ever with drive disappearing. Really soft soils may require more material removed .. but never seen anyone stuffing their land with plastic.
What is missing from the analysis is the resale value of the tractor and attachments. You don't necessarily have to cover 100% of the cost. Tractors have high resale values so one job could pay for 50% of the cost with the rest recovered from tax benefits (depreciation) and a resale 10+ years later.
As for geotextile fabric, when was the last time you saw it used on a county, state or federal highway under the roadbed? That should answer the question as to whether you need it.
You mean because they spend millions of dollars on equipment, labor, and material to haul away all the top soil and build a proper road bed? That might have something to do with it 🤣
@@GoodWorksTractors Partially, but mainly because it simply works better. You showed tilling to remove topsoil. If you don’t have a dozer, which was used to build my driveway, then till and remove the topsoil as you showed in the video. Then lay in a 6-8” layer of 3” or larger stone as you showed in the video, then add a few inches of crushed stone and then top with the surface stone appropriate to your use, anything from crushed stone to decorative marble. Geotextile is a bandaid when used for roads and will fail over time. Better to do the prep right and be done with it. It is like buying good tools vs. Chinese junk: the buy once, cry once approach. Geotextile is great for erosion control, soil stabilization for retaining walls (I’ve a masters in civil engineering), etc., but separating a roadbed from organic materials is not the best use of geotextile.
@@LTVoyager separating a roadbed from organic materials is a primary function of geotextile fabric. The amount of material to remove is not standardized. If you have 18” of topsoil and only remove 8”, you still have a problem on your hands. Many variables in play.
@@GoodWorksTractors If you have 18” of topsoil, you should remove 18”. If you remove 8” and use fabric as a bandaid, you WILL be revisiting the road in the not too distant future. It all depends on whether you want to do it right or do it twice.
@@LTVoyager We had a neighbor a number of years ago try to solve two short areas that were worse for gravel disappearing into the soil. Another neighbor dug down past the organics to a layer of "hardpan clay" several feet down below the surface, then refilled it with base rock for roads. A couple years later, the gravel was no longer visible and mud was back on the driving surface again. Some places, unless you are a government entity with really deep pockets, simply going past organics isn't always the answer.
I think a lot of people get disappointed with fabric because they try to use plastic or landscapers fabric. You actually need to go to a contractor supply and get geo fabric. It’s like $500/roll. But you can save money by using it selectively in known problem areas.
I think you might need to address that water issue in the driveway first , no need to put the cart in front of the tractor. I have a couple of ideas that do not involve pipes that would look great in the all around landscape as well.
Great video. I would use a project like that to justify buying a skid steer instead of a tractor. You need a tractor for mowing and snow plowing anyways and should have justified buying a tractor as soon as you moved out to the country. Lol
My wife always telling me to hire it out! I think her modus operandi is two fold: She know it drives me out of my mind but guarantees I'll get on it. I'm gonna modify your argument for our next family meeting: "The Next 20 Years Will Pay For Our Tractor!"
Our situation was we got quoted 35k for excavation work and instead of paying that we got a case 580 backhoe for 39k and did it our selfs it's payed for its self in just a couple months
I1 job payoff,no. I did more than pay for ours by plowing our driveway ourselves over 18 years/. Our drive is 900 feet with a side drive to another rental house we own.We also have a large parking area and a trail to a cabin we have. The price to plow this was $100 plus. It also needs pushing back if you have a very snowy season. Multiple plows in big storms. We average maybe 11 storms per year. We also grade the driveway and yard wood. We have moved a lot of rocks and stumps.. We use a toothbar. We found most implements were not worth owning. they were rarely used so we sold them,at a profit.Implements are now crazy expensive. 2100 hours Kubota L 2800 gear tractor. The work gets done on your schedule. That is worth a lot .Sometimes I plow at 1 am.
So now in this day and age the cost of goods and services has risen so high that it now can justify the purchase of equipment and materials and the work done your self equals at the end of the day your left with the completed job and ownership of the equipment that was needed for the job , high prices is forcing self reliance , and that's a good thing , in the end there will not be many of the small companies around any more except for the wealth that can afford to hire out , thanks .
Even if you figure your time at $20 an hour you have the tractor and attachments left to use in the future. If you have the driveway installed by a contractor you have to pay to have it maintained instead of doing it yourself. For me a no brainer.
Definitely an option, not that popular in our area for whatever reason...we have similar alternatives though...I think 22a is fairly close in composition
Yes I recently cleared a building pad next to house using the Hindi tractor tracker and decided to go with crusher Run for the short driveway and parking pad. worked out really well but I did learn my lesson about clearing the undergrowth
I've almost got our beach volleyball court finished and that alone will pay for the tractor. I believe it will be finished with only 100 to 120 hours on the tractor. Quotes just for the excavation, not even including spreading sand or digging for drainage pipe, were between 7k to 30k. And the low bid was probably a scammer imo.
I believe you left out a big variable in your calculations. You have to assign an hourly rate for YOUR time in the seat. Even if you love to do the work (and who doesn't like to do tractor work?), to do a fair cost analysis, you should add this cost. Ask an accountant..
Oh most definitely, time always is a cost. I have another video coming out addressing this specifically. I left it out on purpose as this is about paying for your tractor by doing the work yourself. It's the entire point of the video...doing it yourself, so of course it's your time.
I used my tractor to build roads, large pads on hill sides, retaining walls, septic system, water system, RV pads, driveway. Yes my tractor paid for itself, and I have 0% interest to pay off the bill.
Hello, good morning, sorry, they are hiring. I am interested in working. I drive tractors. I worked in Mississippi for 7 months. Picking wheat I have a passport and insurance
I know I could pay off a tractor with just 1 job but thats a 40 hour a week job for 5 years. Plus another 5 years to pay off the implements!! Screw that!!!
If a customer has the $$ to pay for your tractor to do a job then why wouldn’t they buy their own tractor, do it themselves and have a tractor afterwards to keep or resell, so your headline doesn’t make sense!!!! You are welcome!!
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Thank you for doing this video. Promoting the (Summit) was down at my Local JD Tractor Dealer. Very close to my Home. I looked at the (1025) definitely see what you mean on add ONS, some were very basic, some with that extra work lights on side steep area, very nice extras. Seeing them in person. when I looked at the (1033) they were the only ones with a (Shuttle shift) F&R with clutch. Now saying this, would like your feedback, have a monster Backhoe with a (shuttle shift) it is a tork converter, just put it in first gear on the floor (no clutch) then pick the right gear for working, all the time (first) have always been used to (shuttle shift ) on Left side of steering wheel. Anyway I sat on the (1025) and the (1033) found myself Liked the (shuttle shift) LEVER to move the tractor. I used to work for a Paving company, they had an (Athey) Belly Blade Grader. It had the Forward and Reverse on a Rocker pedal. Kind of like the pedals on the (1025) had the hardest time making fine movements, it was "Jerky" on me pushing the pedal. I would "Rock back and forth". Having said this. Why do you find the Pedal drive system better if you're like me not used to it. I also ran a construction type JD front loader with (Box Blade) the the one paving company used to get that area in parking lots that big graders can't grade on. We had a (JD-690) Grader. For the big areas. The JD front loader had a (shuttle shift) found it so much easier than the belly blade (Athey) does the (1025) come with a (shuttle type shifter)
Thank you for doing the COST difference on BUYING a Tractor versus HIRING out a contractor. I am like you only I bought a monster Backhoe, my baby is an old 1978 Dynahoe-190 BUCYRUS-ERIE Built them in the 70s & 80s the biggest heavy Backhoe of the time. Will tell you though my Backhoe end is part of the MAIN frame. It is NOT detachable
I had to remove a small cement wall by the side of my house that prevents me from any say 8' wide Vehicle from getting by the garage side of the home. By removing the wall still had like 10'
Before the property line. I installed the Block wall next to the property fence. It gave me room for a large Backhoe and even full size dumps to back in for my stand by 5/8- gravel pile to store
I have had two fire engines backed in with the area that I made LARGER by side of home. One Fire Engine is mine. Restoration project the other was a Wildlands FF Tender ( Tanker-1500gal.)
That is used in summer months on contract to D.N.R. the Fire Cadets program needed a place to store her in the off season. My 26 boat trailer has backed up there also. By the large room I made on the side of the garage. Now saying all this why did I buy instead of RENT a backhoe. have had the backhoe since 2003, got it for $5000. Like you said it has paid for itself many times over. Have dug out large maple tree STUMPS in my backyard, took out my cement Driveway when I replaced her. Also dug a new water line ditch, so it would be a new replacement waterline under the new driveway.
So,so many jobs have made sense buying her.
The big thing I ran into especially when I was still working. Worked with people that thought "O" you OWN a backhoe can you do FREE work for me. If you can afford to OWN one you can AFFORD to just do this digging for me. I even had a coworker who wanted me to Haul her on company OWN trailer. When I told him that it would be illegal to just use the company trailer to haul my Backhoe, for Free. I was enemy number one with that guy after that. He just thought that for his home project he could just use equipment for Free, for personal USE. That's the biggest problem I have run into on OWNER of Backhoe, everyone wants to USE it for FREE.
Courtney, you ever consider RECLAIM ? once packed it lasts a very very long time, stays smooth too. just and FYI..
How I justified buying my tractor... I worked 12 to 16 hour days for years out in the gas fields. I retired and I wanted a tractor. Spend most seat time landplaning and snow removal on about 1.5 miles of gravel road in our development. Wife thinks I'm crazy. I would be if it weren't for all that tractor therapy.
-amen-you just can’t beat tractor therapy!
You guys are so funny and extremely helpful as that’s exactly the kind of justification I was looking for and didn’t know how to find it. I thought I was the only one thinking that way 😝
Sometimes there are things that are not really needed but you just have to buy them anyway.
Im curious where you get your material? I recently got 120 yds of sand delivered and it was 4$ a yard but delivery ended up costing nearly 6 a yard. Seems like I'm getting over charged
Being able to put in headphones and get outside on the tractor and do some yardwork while not having anyone disturb you is worth the price of entry in itself.
Isn't "I want a tractor!" a good enough reason to buy one?
That was my response to the wifey, along with half a dozen attachments to follow.
Was just about to comment the same thing!
One thing to consider to is a gravel driveway will always need some degree of maintenance no matter how it was initially installed plus occasional snow removal depending on what part of the country you live so a unless your going to hire out each time having a tractor is a must whether it pays for itself on the first project or over time.
We're right on the same page... thanks for making my research easier! Same size land, same length of driveway. Just pulled the trigger on a new to me tractor. Now I'm hunting for attachments.
One difference, our acres are all woods so stump removal and clearing is the fun I get to have right now... and I love playing in the woods after a long day of a desk job.
I didn’t buy the tractor to make it pay for its self.I just bought it to make my life easier and to play and have fun with it 😊
You should do more videos like this. The major or minor ones where buying a tractor and doing part of it yourself is really a tractor in price cheaper.
Good analysis of the job! There are some intangibles that play into the decision of buying a tractor. Making your work more efficient and personal enjoyment cannot be understated.
Best driveway I got to help with was years ago we took out top soil plus a foot and a half of base. They were replacing us23, and the client arranged for some of those slabs to be hauled over and placed. The rest was busted up clean concrete, then filled all the gaps with rock, then 4s and 5s, then finished with the AA final layer was screenings. It took the client almost 10 years to do a 300' drive, but the cost was next to nothing because so many contractors were just looking to get rid of materials, and he used them as fillers. It took a long time, but that driveway has held up for well over thirty years now.
Truth right here! We ran some number with our mini in the same way. Making a decision right now about geo-textile or not for some driveway work.
I dug two drainage ditches, put in a gravel driveway and leveled a site for my new barn. Paid for at least half my tractor over the first year and had a ton of fun doing it.
Power tools you ride are the best! I always enjoy seat time on my tractor.
I think my wife needs to see this. Great video and great project. Thanks!
I just got a nice B7200 for a really good price ... and just paid for a box blab and it is brand new so now I can do drive way work for anyone and for myself and saving the money now .....
That's one big project that paid for the toys... plus many many other fun enjoyable projects for years to come right. Hey if you need a really nice roller to borrow, I've got a 6'wide by 24" diameter with used oil.
Great segment. Now, i just have to convince my wife. I had some bluestone tailgated in my drive a couple of years ago. Its not a long drive, only about 50 yards or so but i used my little JD 1026R, my bucket, box blade and a landscape rake to finish it up nice. I really like that little Summit.
I would look at a different product, crushed limestone or concrete will make your driveway way nicer. We put in several each year with an ABI landplane 7' wide. Our gravel driver's can't believe how nice they turn out. I'm in northern Michigan.
Used Geo Fabric on our 1000' gravel driveway built 11 years ago. No pot holes and has stood up fairly well with only a couple of places on edge it came to top I have to put gravel over it. Probably due to contractor didn't get as much gravel on the edges. Have only had to bring in more gravel one time after 8 years. I would probably do it again with Geo Fabric if I built another drive.
Love this! I typically use my tractor enough each month to cover the payment.
Moved 12 ton of rock into our feedroom this week to build up the floor for a concrete pad. Would've taken days with wheel barrows and shovels. Took two hours with the tractor.
The equivalent to hire a tractor for that job paid this months payment!
Very good advice that I was looking for. Thanks!
The top load of just dumping on (organic material) is so important. In my area, lots of FARMERS have sold their Farms to big warehouse development investment companies. They do what is called (Preloading) they bring in pit Run gravel. Build up a small flat top basically a mountain of pit Run. The Farming land over years of Farming was so full of crop soil, lots of tilled land, lots of leftovers of Rich soil. Very soft. The big company let that
( Pre Load) Wt. Push itself into a big Lot site for like say 6 months to a year. Then they dig off the top of the material dump truck to another preloaded site ready for Development. The Wt. Pushes that Pit run down into GROUND, so the big cement foundation for Wearhouse stays level, NO big uneven separation cracks in cement floor. That farm Land Fields as you probably know, are very soft. Have seen pictures of Farm Tractor SUNK in wet fields they were working in. This huge Development company has put so many different Semi compact Tractor Dealerships close to my home. There are still small Farm family guys who buy Sub compact Tractor in my area. The JD Dealership is the Largest. With tons of different size subcompact Tractor and attachment.
Well done! Great videos, I've watched several of yours, and you are very well spoken, and seem to know what you are talking about.
Thanks for laying out some of the basic for reasons to have a tractor, and some things to consider for grading a gravel road. P.S. Our local John Deere knows your videos too, looks like you have a good following.
Yes... there are John Deere dealer folks who watch GWT, but they most likely won't subscribe. IMO John Deere made a huge mistake not sponsoring something after all those years GWT educated potential buyers. Hopefully I didn't speak out of line here.
You really do have really good video and reasons to show our wives why we needed these tractors. But on such a large operation as yours, which is understandable as it is a business, you do have equipment that most of us don't such as the skid steers and heavy equipment for digging out the top soil, and a place to put it for the time being. That being said, my LS MT342HC is just going to have to work its little butt off this summer when I do about 300 x 12 foot drive and a 16 x 32 pad for my equipment parking area. Probably can only afford to make a lean to for the 16 x 32 area. Keep up the good work.
Great vid! Love the costing knowledge. I’m planning to put some roads in the next year or two and this was great to learn.
Cannot believe that Summit is on 20000 Seems like an awesome tractor for that price oh, and really enjoy your channel Just recently getting obsessed with tractors Really appreciate your opinion, especially your safety plugs. Nice to hear somebody really push the safety aspects
You forgot one thing tractors are a lot of fun I got a big a lil one and a tiny dump truck and a big Diesel zero turn love them all
Haha, that too!
We bought our home and 30acres back in 1995. Our driveway is just under a half mile. We had a Pro come in and grade it and he crowned it also. Then we laid down gravel. Looks Great. However here in Eastern Washington we get lots of snow. So I'm on the tractor and plowing with the pickup alot. No matter how you try the gravel goes away. Then every spring in comes the Big Kenworth laying down more gravel. We got bids to pave back in 1995 and it was just not in the budget.....looking back I wish we would of just found a way and paved the driveway. 🤔
Pavement only lasts so long. Probably cheaper in the long run. Nicest thing is the clean car and extra speed on the driveway. Delivery drivers and emergency vehicles appreciate hard surfaces.
Great Point hits Home hard 👏 👍 👌 👴🐕🚜🤠🙏🏆
I purchased my first garden tractor ( used ) to till gardens. After using it for 6 yrs or so,I moved up to a Kubota B series. Still small enough to get in back yards to till gardens. I was then asked about mowing fields so I bought a bush hog. All of these jobs were in the side of my normal job. I’d say it took about ten yrs to pay for the equipment. But I now have a good running tractor and a bunch of attachments all paid for. NOW, my last and latest purchase was after two different people inquired about if I could spread seed. So 800 bucks later I have a pto spreader. Down side is both jobs fell through. So it hasn’t made me a dime yet.
I got quotes to cut in a new quarter mile driveway in 2016. They ran between $28-34k for gravel. $34-41k for reclaimed asphalt (millings). $38-$44k for concrete. $72-86K for asphalt. Concrete was the clear winner at half the cost and less maintenance than asphalt (no resealing every 3 years), no raking/dust like gravel, and it could be dyed and stamped to look nicer than a long black/grey slab. I am guessing those options would be around 50% more today and I would still go with concrete, but would add heating elements in a few spots that I now know tend to ice up in winter. I have gravel at my office/warehouse because I need the drainage due to a lack of grade change between the building and road. I had a small lake out there with all the rain we got yesterday here in VA.
Interesting. I've never priced a large concrete vs asphalt project, but I would have imagined the asphalt to be cheaper. Asphalt is definitely more forgiving than concrete. For concrete, it's not "is it going to crack", it's "it WILL crack" (or have slabs shift).
@JCWren once the forms are up it's a really quick process, and the materials are significantly cheaper when you are buying premixed by the truck load. It only took two guys to float and stamp without the expense/hassle of hauling in a roller. Another guy controlled the chute, made sure the forms were secure, and coordinated the deliveries as they went from top to bottom.
Concrete has never been cheaper than asphalt around here. It is always more, like way more, 20-30% more.
@@GoodWorksTractors I have a quarry and concrete plant less than 5 miles away from home. That probably makes a difference
Where do you live that materials and labor are so darn high? Where I’m at a 24ton load of 1.5” or 2.5” crushed limestone runs $650, was $500 pre-covid. A skidsteer, grader, or backhoe runs under $150/hr. I’m just kinda mind blown because that project would be under 20k here, even at todays prices.
Great video 😁👍Plus with the tractor you can repair and maintain the driveway for many years to come. I think you said that too😂and your back will last longer less physical therapy 🚜💨🍳
Best advice chip at it after work. I do about a half hour to a hour of brush and tree clearing after work every day and next thing you know you did a lot of work!
I LOVE having my JD 3033R.....I have 30 acres, and I am retired , I can not put a value on the pleasure it is to own and operate my JD ...lets just say it's. ...' PRICELESS ' !
Great job 👍🏻 👏 👍🏻 👏
Thank you! Cheers!
I really enjoy your channel. I concur on saving by doing it yourself. Bummer on not buying American fabric. China subsidizes to put Americans out of work. Looking forward to seeing your driveway results!
I have a hard time getting comfortable with Geo fabric. All I can picture is it coming up at the most inopportune times and you're always trying to figure out how to bury it again. Now if it was down in 6 inches or so I would think that might work great but if it's near the top.... yikes what a mess.
I was using my ATV to plow my gravel driveway. However, after a year I realized it needed maintenance. One quote was all it took for me to become a new tractor owner. As a bonus, plowing snow is orders of magnitude easier and almost enjoyable.
Good call out! You did however forget to figure in the $1,000’s & $1,000’s of dollars that you won’t be paying a Shrink for therapy by getting your tractor therapy in place of the shrink!!!! 😂😂😂. You are right in the fact that if you have the lifestyle that uses equipment you will actually save major dollars over the life of the equipment that you own by doing your own work items in lieu of contracting them out! Great content & Video! 👍👍🔥🔥
Agree. That was the reason we have a large tractor... mile long old neglected gravel/mud driveway that needs a l ot of work. $100K to pay contractor using your numbers. The tractor was a no brainer and large enough to to all the other work required out here.
I have a question. I want a tractor but I also need a pole barn. I have a pretty big slop in the yard so I’d have to flatten the top side and use that to fill in as well as get some more fill.
Could I make the pad area for the pole barn with the tractor and what implements would you think would be best.
the fabric is nice for very wet areas
Good, break down, but also figure in what jobs you need to do in the future so you can be on the right tractor present and future.
I've always considered tools and equipment this way. What is the ROI, if any. The only thing we don't include in the calculus is our time. If you can make more money selling your time on your regular job, it may not be justifiable in that way.
Definitely, I like to think about things in that way, but there are times when I just don't care either :)
You have to consider what else you would actually be doing with that time. Are you taking unpaid time off from your regular job to do the project? Then yes, what you make at that job factors in. Do you have very little time to spend with friends and family and the project will take all your free time? Then it's not worth it for any monetary savings. However, many people work a set amount of hours a week and split the rest of their time among chores, family, hobbies, projects, etc. Were you going to work 60 hours a week (or 80? or 100?) at your job if you didn't do the DIY project? If not, this calculation doesn't make much sense. It's really a question of what brings you satisfaction and provides a balance in your life. A DIY project will almost always pay better than watching Netflix (or RUclips) regardless of what your day job pays! (unless you screw it up badly enough that it needs to be redone by a pro)
I can tell you the amount of work over the years we've done with the tractor here has been tremendous. Built driveways, pads, culverts and filled in ditches. That is just some of the things we've done here. Then got the dump trailer on a pick up and bring in piles to spread in place when spreading it over a distance is not what you're doing. Just building up the yard. Spreading only works if you making a run of it vs. Building up certain areas. All in what you are doing here.
Just a mere suggestion, but you might want to put some larger rock in that muddy location or you will still have mud. In a Pennsylvania I use AASHTO #1 which has just been crushed and usually runs 2”-4””. Makes an excellent base and will allow some drainage.
I'll be diggin the mud out, laying fabric, laying stone.
Find a local distributor for the geotextile fabric. 12' wide x 432' long rolls. Bought mine locally and delivered for less than $500.
I justified my tractor, 2038r, against the price of back surgery. As I approach 50 yes old, having the right equipment saves my body and frees up time as well.
Bought my tractor 6 month ago. 2022 Massey Ferguson 1825e with baumalight stump grinder. I started out by clearing some land and getting rid of some stumps on my property and then I started getting calls from my friend and family asking to do the same for them and now their neighbors are calling me to see if I can help them out with some of their projects. Long story short 6 month into owning my tractor I made roughly $2700 from various jobs for friends and family mostly weekend jobs. These little fun jobs are fun and fulfilling but also have paid the monthly payment and diesel bill every month since I got it.
Can you do a video about grading an uphill gravel driveway?
I can only guess what the reply would have been but I’m guessing, “go downhill “.
Totally agree.
I just picked up my new 25 hp tractor/backhoe/loader a few months ago. My justification was that I needed it to help build a 24 x 30 lean-to shed. My wife asked what is the shed for? I said it was to store the tractor and attachments. She just shook her head. 🤣
This the video you play for your wife if you don't have a Summit. 🤣🤣🤣
Get it done your way and know what you got. Priceless.
Watch it with the box blade later that it don't catch that fabric.
I want to own land like this someday. Will these projects add value to the property?
Nice math project. I bet there are a lot of guys pitching this same deal to their wives trying to convince them that buying a tractor can actually save them money. Well done and I like your logic. Can't put a price on tractor seat time because it is pure enjoyment, at least most of the time.
Great content!
what's the orange wire hanging loose on the tractor?
Probably my electric chute controls for my snowblower chute rotation. Just temporarily installed it on this tractor.
It seems really odd how all these driveways in the US seem to have plastic underlay - it's going to cause a massive micro-plastics contamination into the future. What did you guys do before this was available? Did all roads just disappear? What we do here in Australia is remove a few inches of top soil to get to the firmer stuff and build up the driveway on top of that - 70-100mm of 20mm all-in gravel usually. No problems ever with drive disappearing. Really soft soils may require more material removed .. but never seen anyone stuffing their land with plastic.
What is missing from the analysis is the resale value of the tractor and attachments. You don't necessarily have to cover 100% of the cost. Tractors have high resale values so one job could pay for 50% of the cost with the rest recovered from tax benefits (depreciation) and a resale 10+ years later.
What about topping off the driveway with regrind
As for geotextile fabric, when was the last time you saw it used on a county, state or federal highway under the roadbed? That should answer the question as to whether you need it.
You mean because they spend millions of dollars on equipment, labor, and material to haul away all the top soil and build a proper road bed? That might have something to do with it 🤣
@@GoodWorksTractors Partially, but mainly because it simply works better. You showed tilling to remove topsoil. If you don’t have a dozer, which was used to build my driveway, then till and remove the topsoil as you showed in the video. Then lay in a 6-8” layer of 3” or larger stone as you showed in the video, then add a few inches of crushed stone and then top with the surface stone appropriate to your use, anything from crushed stone to decorative marble. Geotextile is a bandaid when used for roads and will fail over time. Better to do the prep right and be done with it. It is like buying good tools vs. Chinese junk: the buy once, cry once approach. Geotextile is great for erosion control, soil stabilization for retaining walls (I’ve a masters in civil engineering), etc., but separating a roadbed from organic materials is not the best use of geotextile.
@@LTVoyager separating a roadbed from organic materials is a primary function of geotextile fabric. The amount of material to remove is not standardized. If you have 18” of topsoil and only remove 8”, you still have a problem on your hands. Many variables in play.
@@GoodWorksTractors If you have 18” of topsoil, you should remove 18”. If you remove 8” and use fabric as a bandaid, you WILL be revisiting the road in the not too distant future. It all depends on whether you want to do it right or do it twice.
@@LTVoyager We had a neighbor a number of years ago try to solve two short areas that were worse for gravel disappearing into the soil. Another neighbor dug down past the organics to a layer of "hardpan clay" several feet down below the surface, then refilled it with base rock for roads. A couple years later, the gravel was no longer visible and mud was back on the driving surface again. Some places, unless you are a government entity with really deep pockets, simply going past organics isn't always the answer.
I have paid for much of my equipment & tractors doing my jobs myself, & I enjoy time with my tractors and they don't talk smack. LOL.
Limestone with good size rocks packs good!
This is my plan, to rent a tractor and do a big job and get one after it would expand my landscaping business tremendously and save our backs.
Perfect reasoning to me 👍
I think a lot of people get disappointed with fabric because they try to use plastic or landscapers fabric. You actually need to go to a contractor supply and get geo fabric. It’s like $500/roll. But you can save money by using it selectively in known problem areas.
I think you might need to address that water issue in the driveway first , no need to put the cart in front of the tractor.
I have a couple of ideas that do not involve pipes that would look great in the all around landscape as well.
I bought an old farm truck and delivered recycled asphalt that I spread with my tractor the driveway was an eighth of a mile
I need a longer drive way!
Great video. I would use a project like that to justify buying a skid steer instead of a tractor. You need a tractor for mowing and snow plowing anyways and should have justified buying a tractor as soon as you moved out to the country. Lol
8”
That’s tamping req too I’d say
So this is why there are so many newer jd and labor as that are 5, 6, or seven years old and only have 50 to 100 hrs
This how I justified buying a tractor.
My wife always telling me to hire it out! I think her modus operandi is two fold: She know it drives me out of my mind but guarantees I'll get on it. I'm gonna modify your argument for our next family meeting: "The Next 20 Years Will Pay For Our Tractor!"
Our situation was we got quoted 35k for excavation work and instead of paying that we got a case 580 backhoe for 39k and did it our selfs it's payed for its self in just a couple months
Mutiple tractors owned no justification needed.
I1 job payoff,no. I did more than pay for ours by plowing our driveway ourselves over 18 years/. Our drive is 900 feet with a side drive to another rental house we own.We also have a large parking area and a trail to a cabin we have. The price to plow this was $100 plus. It also needs pushing back if you have a very snowy season. Multiple plows in big storms. We average maybe 11 storms per year. We also grade the driveway and yard wood. We have moved a lot of rocks and stumps.. We use a toothbar. We found most implements were not worth owning. they were rarely used so we sold them,at a profit.Implements are now crazy expensive. 2100 hours Kubota L 2800 gear tractor. The work gets done on your schedule. That is worth a lot .Sometimes I plow at 1 am.
The competition better be worried, that tractor is a hell of a bargain!
Geotextile fabric? That’s what I use.
This is the exact reason I bought a backhoe and am clearing my land myself.
So now in this day and age the cost of goods and services has risen so high that it now can justify the purchase of equipment and materials and the work done your self equals at the end of the day your left with the completed job and ownership of the equipment that was needed for the job , high prices is forcing self reliance , and that's a good thing , in the end there will not be many of the small companies around any more except for the wealth that can afford to hire out , thanks .
Even if you figure your time at $20 an hour you have the tractor and attachments left to use in the future. If you have the driveway installed by a contractor you have to pay to have it maintained instead of doing it yourself. For me a no brainer.
Hey wife! Did you see this? We can get a tractor!
New guy question - Why not crusher run?
Definitely an option, not that popular in our area for whatever reason...we have similar alternatives though...I think 22a is fairly close in composition
Yes I recently cleared a building pad next to house using the Hindi tractor tracker and decided to go with crusher Run for the short driveway and parking pad. worked out really well but I did learn my lesson about clearing the undergrowth
I've almost got our beach volleyball court finished and that alone will pay for the tractor. I believe it will be finished with only 100 to 120 hours on the tractor. Quotes just for the excavation, not even including spreading sand or digging for drainage pipe, were between 7k to 30k. And the low bid was probably a scammer imo.
I believe you left out a big variable in your calculations. You have to assign an hourly rate for YOUR time in the seat. Even if you love to do the work (and who doesn't like to do tractor work?), to do a fair cost analysis, you should add this cost. Ask an accountant..
Oh most definitely, time always is a cost. I have another video coming out addressing this specifically. I left it out on purpose as this is about paying for your tractor by doing the work yourself. It's the entire point of the video...doing it yourself, so of course it's your time.
I like your mathematics. Even most wives would like it too.
I used my tractor to build roads, large pads on hill sides, retaining walls, septic system, water system, RV pads, driveway.
Yes my tractor paid for itself, and I have 0% interest to pay off the bill.
Awesome, really pays for itself that way!
Don’t forget…….if you own your own dump trailer and can learn to tailgate that’s another savings and more money for your tractor
Power. Excuse enough...
Simply I wanted a tractor. At 66 my body doesn't work like it did. Justification I'll live longer.
Hello, good morning, sorry, they are hiring. I am interested in working. I drive tractors. I worked in Mississippi for 7 months.
Picking wheat I have a passport and insurance
Did you need a commercial license to haul your tractors and skid steer ?
haha, exactly :)
makes scene to me by god , im going to buy a new bass boat..
1:13 I did a little bit of meth
Darn you Matt lol guess I’m the first loser lol
Not today, you're the second winner!
Finally first lol!
Haha, congrats!!
_"Nothing grows in sand."_
You wish.
I know I could pay off a tractor with just 1 job but thats a 40 hour a week job for 5 years. Plus another 5 years to pay off the implements!! Screw that!!!
If a customer has the $$ to pay for your tractor to do a job then why wouldn’t they buy their own tractor, do it themselves and have a tractor afterwards to keep or resell, so your headline doesn’t make sense!!!! You are welcome!!
The holes in your logic...