The topdecked Jace on a 16-card library was insane. You have a spidey sense for danger which I wholly lack. I'd have Timmy'd myself down to 5 cards and felt like a dummy.
@@kevinkerwin4118 Are you saying the audio was edited to make him look like a genius for narrowly avoiding a top-decked Jace? Because the gameplay alone shows him looking like a genius for narrowly avoiding a top-decked Jace. Or are you instead saying that the entirety of the game was a clever VFX simulation? Because that's almost as hilarious as the original claim. Get outta here.
@@dinklebob1 Sheesh who's pitching and who's catching lmao. You obviously don't create content or pay enough attention to be so confident in your assertion.
I noticed that the deck struggles to win if it doesn’t hav Roots or has had it remove by a card like [Temporary Lockdown]. So I brainstormed some spicy one-ofs that could help with grindier matches. [Ygra, Eater of All]: a minimum 3-turn clock that can one shot opponents and a Ward which forces the opponent to commit to the board. Also helps with not dying to chip damage from flying creatures. [Corpses of the Lost]: a scary enchantment that could bait out instant-speed enchantment removal like [Get Lost] in response to the descend trigger. Also 3 more haste damage to close out games. Souls is a lot cheaper to play but obviously isn’t a creature which means less Roots shenanigans. Ygra is a great curve topper but it may be too slow for mono red and it doesn’t look that great on a post [Sunfall] board.
Match 2. Probably should have also played haywire mite on board in case they top decked a lockdown as well. Leaving 16 in library was pretty baller though for Jace. gg
@@stefanoriva1738 the plants make mana of any color, so you just include it as a one-of finisher for once you've made a giant board of plants from Insidious Roots
This deck is a ton of fun and is generally pretty effective so far in my experience (currently lower plat, we'll see how it fares in diamond). I've been searching for a better Roots solution since MKM and this is it! Finally roots is fun again! FWIW I've swapped in 2x Urborg Reposession in place of 2x Cache Grab (because the former helps you get back Roots or Squirrel whereas the latter helps you get to them faster, so I thought nice to have a mix of both). And I added 2x Gumdrop Poisoner because I had them laying around and one black mana to make a food token seems economical. And then 1x Mudflat Village instead of 1x Underground Mortuary to get a squirrel or bat back if needed - gives just a touch more flexibility.
Notification squad. Not the title I thought I’d see today. 😂😂😂 why not also run the one mana green instant mill card from MoM. I have that one in my roots deck and I rate it higher then cache grab even though it mills less because if you mill over roots you can get it back and I don’t believe that’s the case with cache grab. Obviously the upside of cache is that you mill four instead of two but still. EDIT: Actually cache reads the same as the mom instant but still why not run both?
Those effects get worse the more you have, since you increase the odds of hitting several instants. The deck also needs a critical mass of creatures to keep enabling the Roots once we start comboing.
I twisted this into a janky squirrel deck for Alchemy Featuring Osteo/Insidious, that new squirrel that spawns a chitterspitter, and camilla its alot of fun!
It is possible with osteomancer roots and tyvar on the battlefield and enough cards in graveyard for forage to go through your whole deck give your plants haste and get a otk but not with this decklist.
@@LegenVD but if you are able to go through your whole deck in one turn whenever you get those three pieces on the board (very consistently in my experience) you only have to run one card to give trample and haste which in my decklist is cactus sureshot
I bust it out at locals from time to time, planning on playing it this Sun for Store Champs! Yes I am bringing *all* my spindowns and have a ton of plant tokens ready lol
I just thought about something wouldn't "Agatha's soul cauldron" be a nice include in the deck with the voldaren thrillseeker and you wouldn't need to splash in red since you just need to exile it with the cauldron. And then you should have plenty of damage if you have the mana to sacrifice the tokens
It's indeed a card that has been used in this archetype before. The issue remains when we draw Thrillseeker, we would still need a way of discarding it. Outside of the Squirrel there aren't too many activated abilities in this deck. But there are certainly ways to build around Cauldron and Thrillseeker a bit more to make it work, I've featured it in the previous Standard when we still had Bloodtithe Harvester.
I was crushed by different version of this deck: Aftermath Analyst and Iridescent Vinelasher. Put lands into graveyard and then put it on battlefield with Analyst, Vinelasher with offspring killed me. OTK in round 5 or 6.
Really wish there was a way to make chalk outline work in a deck like this, but it's just not powerful enough unless you make detectives stronger somehow
As a Roots fan, I'm curious if you played around with Forsaken Miner and Festering Gulch? I also like to keep a single copy of Pit of Offerings to trigger my Roots and/or an additional land crime trigger for the Miner.
yeah the lack of consistent Crimes in this deck makes Miner pretty bad; you'd rather just have all the other one-drops which better setup roots (and can actually block) like rubblebelt, etc
@@LegenVD Without the ability to play the combo on the opponent's turn, it's susceptible to board wipes, and with Osteomancer putting a finality counter on the nontoken creatures it's one wipe and game over. I've found the Miner to be a less fragile and more consistent trigger for roots. Especially with the land crimes currently being almost uncounterable in standard.
just had a thought.... does the attack trigger on the rottenmouth viper count as an activated ability? if so, working that and the cauldron into a roots deck could be sick.
Use the landfall lizard and the creature that returns all lands from graveyard to the battlefield so you can kill the opponent in the same turn you combo off.
I like that at least Aftermath Analyst fills the graveyard, but by the time we combo off we’ll have exiled the majority of our lands to Forage, so there won’t be enough left to win. Vinelasher also doesn’t really contribute to setting up the combo.
You might have already considered this, but [Pillage the Bog] is a more consistent cantrip to look for Roots-instead of [Cache Grab]-while having a lower ceiling potential.
It's a lot easier to accidentally skip though a phase or trigger with the spacebar, so I only advise using it if you're at risk of timing out otherwise. Given that we have to use the mouse for Surveil here the confirm button is close enough.
@@Aaatxe vermin is not killing heartfire with a pump spell anyway...at least thief blocks slickshot. I dont play ranked so i must be missing something....not a big deal
@@LegenVD I was wondering. I haven’t finished watching the whole video yet. Thank you. I find it useful to run the thrillseeker combo. It’s rough to go through all the trouble and triggers just for my opponent to field wipe the next turn before I can attack.
This seems like a surprisingly budget friendly deck. Would this be a good idea to craft as a new player? Pretty sure I already have an Osteomancer or two
No. Look how exhausting and long all the games were where he actually won. I guarantee you'll get bored of it before you play it for very long, and then you're out a bunch of WCs on a meme deck.
@@LegenVDnew to mtga, browsed untapped and it's like red red red red + rabbits. Other than all red what are a few decks you would recommend as a new player?
Urborg Repossession, Blanchwood Prowler and Pillage the Bog are better options than Cache Grab and Gnawing Vermin as far as milling and finding Roots. Also a couple Keen-Eyed Curators can be an alternate win con that also triggers roots and is graveyard hate. Not a fan of this version and I don't say that often when it comes to your brews.
First oppo not scooping while getting Craig Eloh'd provided a lot of value.
Slightly dated reference but i enjoyed it!
First Opponent: I'm about to go wide on LVD (LVD drops to 1)
LVD: (Following turn) Wide you say, hold my roots. 😎
One could say that this deck wins with... planty of attackers 😎
That thumbnail. That is the face of a squirrel who knows what they did and is not sorry.
props to loki for not scoping
I have been running a squirrel package using the forager. You can tyvar, return the forager and immediately use it for two more mana to keep going off
Definitely a consideration!
Curious forager is a three mana card so it can't be returned by Tyvar. Unless you meant anther card.
@@ltftw2 Thornvault Forager
The topdecked Jace on a 16-card library was insane. You have a spidey sense for danger which I wholly lack. I'd have Timmy'd myself down to 5 cards and felt like a dummy.
Editing
@@kevinkerwin4118 Are you saying the audio was edited to make him look like a genius for narrowly avoiding a top-decked Jace? Because the gameplay alone shows him looking like a genius for narrowly avoiding a top-decked Jace.
Or are you instead saying that the entirety of the game was a clever VFX simulation? Because that's almost as hilarious as the original claim.
Get outta here.
@@dinklebob1 Sheesh who's pitching and who's catching lmao. You obviously don't create content or pay enough attention to be so confident in your assertion.
@@kevinkerwin4118 I ain't feeding the troll any more.
@@dinklebob1 This guy saying that the word "editing" is trolling after escalating his aggression for nothing. How embarrassing.
Epic and obnoxious. I love it. This is one of those decks you feel bad playing because the other player can only sit there and can do almost nothing.
This deck seems interesting in explorer too with stitchers supplier and better mana for a jund version
@@jimjacisin5038 I run a historic version that utilizes Propagator Primordium, Gixian Recycler, and Sheoldred's Assimilator. Very fun!
I noticed that the deck struggles to win if it doesn’t hav Roots or has had it remove by a card like [Temporary Lockdown]. So I brainstormed some spicy one-ofs that could help with grindier matches.
[Ygra, Eater of All]: a minimum 3-turn clock that can one shot opponents and a Ward which forces the opponent to commit to the board. Also helps with not dying to chip damage from flying creatures.
[Corpses of the Lost]: a scary enchantment that could bait out instant-speed enchantment removal like [Get Lost] in response to the descend trigger. Also 3 more haste damage to close out games.
Souls is a lot cheaper to play but obviously isn’t a creature which means less Roots shenanigans.
Ygra is a great curve topper but it may be too slow for mono red and it doesn’t look that great on a post [Sunfall] board.
Match 2. Probably should have also played haywire mite on board in case they top decked a lockdown as well. Leaving 16 in library was pretty baller though for Jace. gg
Good point, although I suppose they would just Soul Partition it first so we would need two Mites or another Bat first for that to work.
@@LegenVD That's fair too. So many scary cards in that matchup
I've seen a Sultai version of this list that also runs Imodane's Recruiter for an OTK. Turns take forever, but it really pops off.
Im confused: the Recruiter is a red-white card, how can it be in a sultai deck?
@@stefanoriva1738 roots allows the plants to tap for mana of any color, so on combo turns (assuming tyvar in play) you can cast the recruiter
@@stefanoriva1738 the plants make mana of any color, so you just include it as a one-of finisher for once you've made a giant board of plants from Insidious Roots
Why use that when you can actually make this deck busted with the sac vampire and the cauldron artifact
Hey, do you have a decklist of this ? Can't find it
Day 2 of begging for a Helga deck
can you image if we still had [Grolnok, the Omnivore] for a Sultai brew where you essentially go infinte with 2 Gorehounds to auto-enable the Roots!
This deck is a ton of fun and is generally pretty effective so far in my experience (currently lower plat, we'll see how it fares in diamond). I've been searching for a better Roots solution since MKM and this is it! Finally roots is fun again! FWIW I've swapped in 2x Urborg Reposession in place of 2x Cache Grab (because the former helps you get back Roots or Squirrel whereas the latter helps you get to them faster, so I thought nice to have a mix of both). And I added 2x Gumdrop Poisoner because I had them laying around and one black mana to make a food token seems economical. And then 1x Mudflat Village instead of 1x Underground Mortuary to get a squirrel or bat back if needed - gives just a touch more flexibility.
Notification squad. Not the title I thought I’d see today. 😂😂😂 why not also run the one mana green instant mill card from MoM. I have that one in my roots deck and I rate it higher then cache grab even though it mills less because if you mill over roots you can get it back and I don’t believe that’s the case with cache grab. Obviously the upside of cache is that you mill four instead of two but still.
EDIT: Actually cache reads the same as the mom instant but still why not run both?
Those effects get worse the more you have, since you increase the odds of hitting several instants.
The deck also needs a critical mass of creatures to keep enabling the Roots once we start comboing.
I twisted this into a janky squirrel deck for Alchemy Featuring Osteo/Insidious, that new squirrel that spawns a chitterspitter, and camilla its alot of fun!
It is possible with osteomancer roots and tyvar on the battlefield and enough cards in graveyard for forage to go through your whole deck give your plants haste and get a otk but not with this decklist.
There are a few ways you can win on the same turn you combo, but they usually involve cards that would be useless when drawn.
@@LegenVD but if you are able to go through your whole deck in one turn whenever you get those three pieces on the board (very consistently in my experience) you only have to run one card to give trample and haste which in my decklist is cactus sureshot
If you would like I could send you the decklist
I love golgari and I love milling myself especially since its basically just putting it into my hand essentially
"put that in the graveyard"
"You mean my other hand? sure"
Somoehow I missed Osteomancer alowes you to cast any number of creatures
So much easier to play on arena in paper that would be a nightmare
I bust it out at locals from time to time, planning on playing it this Sun for Store Champs! Yes I am bringing *all* my spindowns and have a ton of plant tokens ready lol
There should be a Temporary Lockdown to roots decks lol
they basically made creature only underworld breach
I just thought about something wouldn't "Agatha's soul cauldron" be a nice include in the deck with the voldaren thrillseeker and you wouldn't need to splash in red since you just need to exile it with the cauldron. And then you should have plenty of damage if you have the mana to sacrifice the tokens
It's indeed a card that has been used in this archetype before. The issue remains when we draw Thrillseeker, we would still need a way of discarding it. Outside of the Squirrel there aren't too many activated abilities in this deck. But there are certainly ways to build around Cauldron and Thrillseeker a bit more to make it work, I've featured it in the previous Standard when we still had Bloodtithe Harvester.
and here I am trying to make this deck work with Vein Ripper and Rottenmouth Viper, it is fun when it pops, but all the red decks.....
goated i was 'rooted' to my seat hehe
I was crushed by different version of this deck: Aftermath Analyst and Iridescent Vinelasher. Put lands into graveyard and then put it on battlefield with Analyst, Vinelasher with offspring killed me. OTK in round 5 or 6.
This deck is DISGUSTING. I just won 8 in a row pretty easily. Combo comes together so nicely, I love it.
Glad it's working for you!
Damn... if left unchecked these early Show Offs "showed" how devastating red aggro can be.
Really wish there was a way to make chalk outline work in a deck like this, but it's just not powerful enough unless you make detectives stronger somehow
Basically ran this with Vein Ripper and Izoni so I don't have to attack to win. Strong either way
rip Undead Butler, this deck will miss you
As a Roots fan, I'm curious if you played around with Forsaken Miner and Festering Gulch? I also like to keep a single copy of Pit of Offerings to trigger my Roots and/or an additional land crime trigger for the Miner.
I have not tried that card, seems like it wouldn't really help set up the game ending combo?
yeah the lack of consistent Crimes in this deck makes Miner pretty bad; you'd rather just have all the other one-drops which better setup roots (and can actually block) like rubblebelt, etc
@@LegenVD Without the ability to play the combo on the opponent's turn, it's susceptible to board wipes, and with Osteomancer putting a finality counter on the nontoken creatures it's one wipe and game over. I've found the Miner to be a less fragile and more consistent trigger for roots. Especially with the land crimes currently being almost uncounterable in standard.
It's always fun to watch your opponent play solitaire, lol.
I've had a lot of people scoop for this reason once I get the engine going on them, and it feels like I'm being super annoying for sure
Is it even necessary to do any more deck videos after this one lol this feels like your masterpiece 😂
Would fabled passage be good for filling the graveyard for this deck?
It would enter tapped most of the time, so don't think it's quite worth it.
At that point the Surveil land is better for that purpose.
22:30 DRAW YOU LAST PATHETIC CARD LEGEN!!!
His deck HAS no pathetic cards!
Snarling Gorehound is just standard legal Dragon Rage Channeler
Woooo were back baby
Shoutout to first opponent who stayed till the end so you could show us the full value.
This is the type of deck you could only play in Arena.
Not true, in fact you can play it much quicker in paper, not a million clicks
leggo!
GOLGARI WOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Poor 6th opponent. It's always the hands with two lands 😕
👨🍳❤The amount of cooking that goes on in this channel
Spicy LegenVD !
can u make a new nicol bolas deck in historic? :)
Holly Smokes this Deck is Amazing.
just had a thought.... does the attack trigger on the rottenmouth viper count as an activated ability? if so, working that and the cauldron into a roots deck could be sick.
It's a triggered ability, since there's no "cost:ability"
Love your videos :D Also really cool deck idea.
Use the landfall lizard and the creature that returns all lands from graveyard to the battlefield so you can kill the opponent in the same turn you combo off.
I like that at least Aftermath Analyst fills the graveyard, but by the time we combo off we’ll have exiled the majority of our lands to Forage, so there won’t be enough left to win. Vinelasher also doesn’t really contribute to setting up the combo.
You might have already considered this, but [Pillage the Bog] is a more consistent cantrip to look for Roots-instead of [Cache Grab]-while having a lower ceiling potential.
Cache Grab leaves the other cards in the graveyard, which is important. Pillage could dig deeper, true. Maybe test it out
I will
Cache grab also milling three and potentially triggering roots is still pretty powerful and most of the time better over pillage
pro tip: Press spacebar to get through those priority screens faster + less strain on your mouse wrist clicking through them combos
It's a lot easier to accidentally skip though a phase or trigger with the spacebar, so I only advise using it if you're at risk of timing out otherwise. Given that we have to use the mouse for Surveil here the confirm button is close enough.
12:28 it’s simply the bat! Dam dam dam dam
Is that a chad rabbit in the thumb LoL
Why vermin over dreamthief? Flying blocker with built-in synergy
mono red, 75% of games on ladder even if the games are not shown
@@Aaatxe vermin is not killing heartfire with a pump spell anyway...at least thief blocks slickshot. I dont play ranked so i must be missing something....not a big deal
That’s certainly a consideration although Slickshot has Trample most of the time anyway. I would rather replace the Vampire.
Holy cow what was that Game 1 💀
Dope
unreal lol
Quite a cool deck :)
Well done thumbnail!
Casual 164 damage
You can win one turn earlier if you run a one of copy of Voldaren thrillseeker. Thanks for the video
I mention it a few times throughout the video! The drawback is potentially drawing a dead card until we combo.
@@LegenVD I was wondering. I haven’t finished watching the whole video yet. Thank you. I find it useful to run the thrillseeker combo. It’s rough to go through all the trouble and triggers just for my opponent to field wipe the next turn before I can attack.
Sorry for the ultra noob question but why is roots triggering twice?
Forage from osteomancer- exile 3 cards from graveyard = once. Creature moving from graveyard to battlefield = twice.
two triggers
forage cost being paid by exiling a creature from the yard
creature being cast from the yard
@@jake4179 thanks!
@@kolr2873 @thank you!
This seems like a surprisingly budget friendly deck. Would this be a good idea to craft as a new player? Pretty sure I already have an Osteomancer or two
No. Look how exhausting and long all the games were where he actually won. I guarantee you'll get bored of it before you play it for very long, and then you're out a bunch of WCs on a meme deck.
Would not recommend it as your first deck. It's not great in the current meta dominated by red aggro and the games you win take a long time to set up.
@@LegenVDnew to mtga, browsed untapped and it's like red red red red + rabbits.
Other than all red what are a few decks you would recommend as a new player?
Urborg Repossession, Blanchwood Prowler and Pillage the Bog are better options than Cache Grab and Gnawing Vermin as far as milling and finding Roots. Also a couple Keen-Eyed Curators can be an alternate win con that also triggers roots and is graveyard hate. Not a fan of this version and I don't say that often when it comes to your brews.
Algo love
Golgari is nuts right now!
What the f******* is this 5 min turn, am I watching a yugiho video?????
Ive seen this deck with a red splash for voldaren thrillseeker so you can ping with your biggest plant as an optional lethal. Fun deck!
I mention it a few times throughout the video!
@@LegenVD Ah my bad, haven't watched it yet ^^
Seeing that lame boros control deck getting stuck on 2 lands was such a delight to watch
Saw game 1+2. Damn those games were 🔥