Thanks for watching! Just for a bit of context, this happened a while ago - Gree and Supercell's legal disputes have since ended, but between around 2018 and 2022 was when the bulk of their beef happened
Maybe you should patent the "methodology of earning money by spamming patents and suing for the sole purpose of suing", then you could sue all the patent trolls :D
supercell isnt the greedy ones however that is how it seems. Supercell is mostly owned by a large company named tencent and they force supercell to become more "greedy"
wtf?? How is any of this stuff patentable it’s such basic stuff- how is this possibly fair to anyone? You can’t just claim basic ideas and never let anyone use them, the law system is ruined
@@alicepbg2042 Yeah but they are patenting the logic, not the code itself. Take a moment to look a those flowcharts, it's not some complex algorithm but rather basic logic. There is no way that is patentable, it would be like patenting the structure of an essay.
@@denco0p Doesn't matter. If everyone can implement the same logic then there will be competition and competition between producers is always good for the consumers.
Patents at this level is stupid. Like how we cant use the nemesis system because its patented. I can understand copyright like pokemon, disney characters and those things. but mechanics and basic shit and being able to just sue in whatever country you fancy is stupid.
@@stacksmncpay those cavemen who invented fried meat and using herbs to add flavour then. You can't patent/claim ownership of basic logic and common ideas and make it sound right
@@stacksmnc Nah that's just straight up abusive, these guys are often referred to as patent trolls and they're an absolute pain to deal with when it comes to software like games.
@@stacksmnc You are never making something first lol, especially in coding. Every code you can think of has already been made by a thousand other programmers, they got into the race after everyone crossed the finish line and still want the gold medal only for themselves.
so you saying somone coming up with ideas can become owned and if somone else has same idea they can be sued for doing the same thing that people can all think of?
That's what patents are yeah If you make something you usually have to patent it before someone else does because they'll sue you into the ground From having a patent you can make it free if governments legally make you do so (crazy taxis arrow) A notorious company for filing dozens of patents is Nintendo they tried to patent their physics system in Botw Patents stifle genre growth but there's big money in being a legal nuisance, such is patents
It already does. And if one comes up with an original idea they patent it immediately just so these hoarders like Gree won't steal their idea and sue them for "infringing their patents". This is petty and straight PATHETIC
My response to some idiots in the comments/replies: Just because you made something (code/logic in this case) first, doesn't mean it deserves to be owned by you. We're talking about frickin basic logic and code here, when you write a piece of code, bet that somebody else has already done something similar. So no, just because you made something "first", doesn't mean it's yours.
4:49 I remember Havoc mentioning that in Japan edit layout feature is unavailable in for this reason. I can't imagine how frustrating it is for player there to edit their bases
@@lifeinvader6979 It will die slowly like fortnite eventually no one above age 15 is taking fortnite seriously anymore as for supercell once everyone will realise they care more about micro transactions than player base it will be too late(ofc some content creators not naming any are gonna spend their entire account on their game but that wont be enough)
@@Florin20Dsince when does supercell not care about they’re player base? Brawl stars takes community feedback really well and balances things so that the community can stay happy. The offers are fairly priced, and not needed at all for progression.
@@Florin20D I hope you were right, but sadly you're too optimistic. Chinese market (which is Tencent's most important sector) is not gonna stop spending millions and millions any time soon. To actually start losing money or be forced to change their disgusting monetization policies in order to avoid bankruptcy, they would have to lose chinese playerbases almost entirely.
@@VertiDOOM Lets go through every single game they released.Hay Day:Doing almost as bad as royale only slightly better,Clash of Clans:ok after the new community manager,Clash Royale:Dead every new season they release a card that is broken and keep it broken for 3 weeks until they nerf it,brawl stars:Doing pretty good but for me personally the game is dead unless u can report teamnates in casual and teamers and Squad Busters:Far worse than clash royale in terms of p2w
That lawsuit was worth like a year of Clash Royale revenue. Could be a big reason as to why the game got so much worse with monetization from 2022 onwards. All for having a feature delaying the placement time by 1 second to have opponents in sync anywhere around the world with latency (idk if it's that mechanic that got them sued or something else but from this video it sounded like it)
Nahh, that's should never stick, unless so really copy paste, and the code has to be very specific. If not very specific then the court has failed, because then maybe every code ever can be sued, by someone who had a simular idea earlier
How can you even patent code?? Software is basically just text. You can even see it as a mathematical object. As far as I know you can only patent code which has an actual effect on the real world (code for a CT scan) but not for example quicksort 🤔
Tencent (a chinese company) owns the majority of supercell, they're the reason why Supercell is so greedy, but i don't care, after changing how you buy the pass on brawl stars i hope they just go down until they revert this decision
The pass change put all the resources of buying the pass every other season into the free side, but now you don't have to spend your gems on the pass. I don't see any reason to be mad at a buff to progression with no downside.
This is proof that no matter how much the system is created in good faith to protect specific things it's always corrupted by greed and selfishness I could definitely see why a lot of games are lacking when it comes to creativity and story because patents are being abused to make it to work game development is being hindered.
If you think gambling should be illegal, then in game gambling should be as well. Personally, I don't think gambling should be illegal in general and so obviously, I condone these online games. I do find it hypocritical that people let online gambling slide but not real life gambling, I don't think gambling is good but at the end of the day, its your money, you do what you will.
So this is why prices and amount of offers have come into there games 😂, they are trying to get the community to pay for it. 😂😂 I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is why.
@@jagunsoXD I’m not quite financially educated enough to be able to just give clear definites, but as far as I recall, when a company has buyable public shares, then their internal voting system can be affected by whomever has a significant amount of them. Those with more shares basically have a stronger vote, though obviously it gets expensive to purchase a ton (especially since purchased shares = higher share cost). Sadly means that if someone or some group that’s bloody rich manages to buy enough shares (50% or more, typically), they can practically “take over” a company, in the sense that they have enough voting power to call the shots.
@@jagunsoXD I feel that. If anything, I honestly pity most of the large game companies these days, cause it’s clear that they have talent (along with high end programs to make stuff with). But at this point, they’re all practically run by investors who never even step into the actual offices, and basically try to hyper-optimize things as if it were like any other company (splitting everyone into several groups and having them refer to a command chain if they want to make changes is an example which I believe Ubisoft goes through. That’s fine for office projects, but for coding games where you NEED to enact countless changes for bugfixes, it’s basically poison that results in the broken game slop we see so often). Unfortunate part is that game companies are quite literally super unique and don’t run nearly the same way as everything else (well, there’s similarities to the toy industry, but it’s still mixed with coding issues), so most of the money-grubbing higherups come off as braindead amateurs with most tactics they pull. Bleh, sorry for gettin rambley. It just seems like in reality, game devs aren’t typically bumbling idiots in the AAA industry, but rather it’s more like money runs things in a suffocating manner to a point where they’re just forced to fail and then take the blame for it, while higher ups vacuum up all the cash.
Patents in gaming is one of the dumbest things ever Literally locking an idea or system away from the world under threat of a lawsuit kills creativity and potential in many other games Imagine you patent the level up system bye bye almost every game in the world
Loot boxes and gambling are the same thing. The only difference is the visualization on how you "roll". Even if loot boxes never get considered as gambling, at the very least should be regulated since many people have an addiction to them.
i think the only time loot boxes should be considered illegal is if the odds it tells you are a lie and this also goes for if they get better over time without mentioning it often times games will say something has a drop chance but be lower than shown but even if it states a low chance-and the more you open/buy then you get better odds without it telling you. or building to a pity system that’s nowhere to be shown-i feel like that’s deception aswell and leads to people feeling lucky and engaged which can lead to them spending even more entirely different story if it is shown that there’s a pitty system or states opening more has an increasing chance to give rarer items, but when there’s paid items that involve RNG and odds are being changed without knowing then it just seems illegal
yay a company making a shitnload of patents to hope they catch other game company's out. this sends a bad message out to even bigger company's for them to want to do this to monopolise a certain demographic within the genre of games they design. this is going to lead to terrible practices that will affect us the consumer. yeh supercell sucks atm, but this happening will potentially lead to a plateau in true innovations in gaming as company's can't build off of each others ideas if they compete within the same genre.
patent trolls need to be dealt with companies shouldn't have overly broad patents and if they patent something and they don't use it they should LOOSE IT so sick of this BS like steam having to pay to have buttons on the back of the controller
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Thanks for watching! Just for a bit of context, this happened a while ago - Gree and Supercell's legal disputes have since ended, but between around 2018 and 2022 was when the bulk of their beef happened
the company is literally called GREE 😭😭
Im surprised how it hasnt been made illegal to create thousands of patents for general concepts for the sole purpose of suing yet
Because lobbyists are making it legal
mostly in america
Maybe you should patent the "methodology of earning money by spamming patents and suing for the sole purpose of suing", then you could sue all the patent trolls :D
@@blockwearingman No actually thats not even close to true at all.
@@CarlCarlson-jq3xrit really is
so a greedy company wants money from a greedy company
lol
Pretty much greed everywhere
supercell isnt the greedy ones however that is how it seems. Supercell is mostly owned by a large company named tencent and they force supercell to become more "greedy"
It’s not even supercell anymore. It’s a Chinese company that owns supercell now and supercell only owns less than 49% of the company
@@Superglitchymfinally someone who understands supercells situation
wtf?? How is any of this stuff patentable it’s such basic stuff- how is this possibly fair to anyone? You can’t just claim basic ideas and never let anyone use them, the law system is ruined
I sold my wife and kids to max out archer queen and buy amazing value offers😢
Welcome to Law it's a broken outdated system just like copyright
Fun fact: The term “Tower Defense” is copyrighted. Somehow they copyrighted a entire game genre🤦🏻♀️
Suing you for this comment, I’ve pattented the word “wtf”
So they're patenting code now? What the hell.
I didn't know this either. It is ridiculous that they can paten basic flow chars!
You always patented code.
Can't just copy someones code.
@@alicepbg2042 Yeah but they are patenting the logic, not the code itself. Take a moment to look a those flowcharts, it's not some complex algorithm but rather basic logic. There is no way that is patentable, it would be like patenting the structure of an essay.
@@fullaccess2645 I'm not disagreeing that patenting the logic is silly. just saying that patenting code is not weird.
Me makes code my self, this SPECIFIC COMPANY pay us 1 million please.
Patents stop technological advance
True but we are talking about mobile game created to pump money
@@denco0p doesnt matter patent trolls are worse
@@denco0pthat changes nothing
@@denco0p Doesn't matter. If everyone can implement the same logic then there will be competition and competition between producers is always good for the consumers.
So true
Expect 50$ Book of Books
Nah it’ll be the page to it it lets you 1/10000 upgrade a card
@@TheCoolBananaMan-rv2my just open a chest lmao
@@i_saidmeow2469 fair enough
With 10x value too
Patents at this level is stupid. Like how we cant use the nemesis system because its patented. I can understand copyright like pokemon, disney characters and those things. but mechanics and basic shit and being able to just sue in whatever country you fancy is stupid.
If I made it first, then I own it 🤷🏽
@@stacksmncpay those cavemen who invented fried meat and using herbs to add flavour then. You can't patent/claim ownership of basic logic and common ideas and make it sound right
@@stacksmnc Nah that's just straight up abusive, these guys are often referred to as patent trolls and they're an absolute pain to deal with when it comes to software like games.
@@stacksmncYou aint making nothing first man
@@stacksmnc You are never making something first lol, especially in coding. Every code you can think of has already been made by a thousand other programmers, they got into the race after everyone crossed the finish line and still want the gold medal only for themselves.
Everytime they fell on lawsuit, they need to make more in game purchases for you to buy lmao
Hopefully not gonna go into brawl stars, where the only issue seems to be New characters being op
@@Krezmor and lack of gold fr
god the legal system is in shambles
Corperate greed knows no bounds.
They're even targeting one another.
so you saying somone coming up with ideas can become owned and if somone else has same idea they can be sued for doing the same thing that people can all think of?
Jup. Thats why move in silence.
That's what patents are yeah
If you make something you usually have to patent it before someone else does because they'll sue you into the ground
From having a patent you can make it free if governments legally make you do so (crazy taxis arrow)
A notorious company for filing dozens of patents is Nintendo they tried to patent their physics system in Botw
Patents stifle genre growth but there's big money in being a legal nuisance, such is patents
Its a thing so that the pharmaceutical industry wouldn’t burn
can someone who understands patents please explain how its even possible to obtain a patent for such simple things like these
It is not about patents, it is about corruption and incompetence of law makers when it comes to technology.
@@utkansThey're in it. They're paid to lmfao
Either bribe or someone is very incompetent passing the patent.
My guess is both
So is gree gonna go after all games now because the majority of games these days follow that same pattern of coding.
It already does. And if one comes up with an original idea they patent it immediately just so these hoarders like Gree won't steal their idea and sue them for "infringing their patents". This is petty and straight PATHETIC
This is why game dev has no improvements over years and new game dev scared of lawsuit.
How are patents like this even legally allowed given how many games there are?
Lobbying
I will patent my Hello World code and every time a software engineer homie uses it its a fat 10k lawsuit
also seeing how nintendo have been moving recently its safe to say many of these japanese comapanies have become enemies of gaming
Finally someone said it
West and East are corrupted in different way. I guess the only one left is the Chinese.
My response to some idiots in the comments/replies:
Just because you made something (code/logic in this case) first, doesn't mean it deserves to be owned by you. We're talking about frickin basic logic and code here, when you write a piece of code, bet that somebody else has already done something similar. So no, just because you made something "first", doesn't mean it's yours.
in 2030 the act of drinking water probably gonna be patented
4:49 I remember Havoc mentioning that in Japan edit layout feature is unavailable in for this reason. I can't imagine how frustrating it is for player there to edit their bases
sad really that things which are clearly for greed are allowed.
So gree the same company that destroyed the gaming industries servers after buying out gamespy from IGN?
I am going to patent breathing so anyone can't breathe
So basically gree vs greedy
It’s always that damn D
More like greedy vs greedy both of them showed predatory behavior and business tactics
gree(dy) vs supergreed
i dont care for supercell but i HATE patent trolls even worse they stifle innovation so sad to see they won
that is capitalism sir
@@isaacleibniz2437 greatest system there is
How can you paten theoratical plans to store something, its not even code
Supercell getting their deserved downfall
"Downfall" is not loosing one month of revenue in my book
@@lifeinvader6979 It will die slowly like fortnite eventually no one above age 15 is taking fortnite seriously anymore as for supercell once everyone will realise they care more about micro transactions than player base it will be too late(ofc some content creators not naming any are gonna spend their entire account on their game but that wont be enough)
@@Florin20Dsince when does supercell not care about they’re player base? Brawl stars takes community feedback really well and balances things so that the community can stay happy. The offers are fairly priced, and not needed at all for progression.
@@Florin20D I hope you were right, but sadly you're too optimistic. Chinese market (which is Tencent's most important sector) is not gonna stop spending millions and millions any time soon. To actually start losing money or be forced to change their disgusting monetization policies in order to avoid bankruptcy, they would have to lose chinese playerbases almost entirely.
@@VertiDOOM Lets go through every single game they released.Hay Day:Doing almost as bad as royale only slightly better,Clash of Clans:ok after the new community manager,Clash Royale:Dead every new season they release a card that is broken and keep it broken for 3 weeks until they nerf it,brawl stars:Doing pretty good but for me personally the game is dead unless u can report teamnates in casual and teamers and Squad Busters:Far worse than clash royale in terms of p2w
That lawsuit was worth like a year of Clash Royale revenue. Could be a big reason as to why the game got so much worse with monetization from 2022 onwards.
All for having a feature delaying the placement time by 1 second to have opponents in sync anywhere around the world with latency
(idk if it's that mechanic that got them sued or something else but from this video it sounded like it)
i dislike supercell but this lawsuit is completly unfair and i hate patents
imagine your a company who just tries to get money with lawsuiting other big companys. shame on gree🤮
The company's name is literally greed without the d
So gree sued because supercell copied their "code", bruh
Anyone else have a big smile across their face when the text popped up saying
“Sued for $100m, AND LOST” 😂
They should have asked for 99 cents more
It's ridiculous to patent code and functionality... but good it struck on Supercell and not on someone else :)
Nahh, that's should never stick, unless so really copy paste, and the code has to be very specific. If not very specific then the court has failed, because then maybe every code ever can be sued, by someone who had a simular idea earlier
The whole legal field regarding patents has been a bunch of petty stealing since Edison and Tesla
This seems dumb asf so they didn’t do anything wrong
How can you even patent code?? Software is basically just text. You can even see it as a mathematical object. As far as I know you can only patent code which has an actual effect on the real world (code for a CT scan) but not for example quicksort 🤔
Sadly you can bevause you patent design patterns (like instructions on how to code) :(
@@AndreasScheller-pv1eu oh ok
Thanks for the info 👍
I think someone can patent a wheel if they try hard enough to obfuscate the description of wheel.
A patent troll who cares other than they won when they shouldn't
It's kinda funny how Gree is this obsessive stalker of supercell sueing them any and every change they get trying to make some money
Dog eat Dog world...
Idk why u can even patent so vaguely that u can basicly sue every 2nd game for smth
Tencent (a chinese company) owns the majority of supercell, they're the reason why Supercell is so greedy, but i don't care, after changing how you buy the pass on brawl stars i hope they just go down until they revert this decision
The pass change put all the resources of buying the pass every other season into the free side, but now you don't have to spend your gems on the pass. I don't see any reason to be mad at a buff to progression with no downside.
@@ataid the game is pay to progress right now
@@welch1284not it really isn’t
no @@welch1284
@@Monxrchyfn not trying to convince anyone, i just wanted to say what i thought
Mega night eco bouta go crazy
This is proof that no matter how much the system is created in good faith to protect specific things it's always corrupted by greed and selfishness I could definitely see why a lot of games are lacking when it comes to creativity and story because patents are being abused to make it to work game development is being hindered.
Who the hell is going to make anything when there are bajillions of patents for every little thing? Companies like this need to f right off
I will patent the way people are using a spoon. If i find you using a spoon the way I patented it, you'll be fined.
Making a patent in video games essentially just ruins creativity and the vast ways people can show their ways of their passion of another game 😭
lol my pre-video ad was a supercell game.
If you think gambling should be illegal, then in game gambling should be as well. Personally, I don't think gambling should be illegal in general and so obviously, I condone these online games.
I do find it hypocritical that people let online gambling slide but not real life gambling, I don't think gambling is good but at the end of the day, its your money, you do what you will.
And there goes the money people paid to a company passed to another company. Money makes the greed go round.
Owning a patent for creativity is just really scummy. First we have gree suing supercell, now we have Pokémon and Nintendo suing palworld
So this is why prices and amount of offers have come into there games 😂, they are trying to get the community to pay for it. 😂😂 I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is why.
It's also because the majority of their shares were bought out by Tencent, so they're forced to be greedy whether they like it or not.
@@norrecvizharan1177 sorry if I'm bothering but how does this buying shares thing work? did supercell have any options? like denying?
@@jagunsoXD I’m not quite financially educated enough to be able to just give clear definites, but as far as I recall, when a company has buyable public shares, then their internal voting system can be affected by whomever has a significant amount of them. Those with more shares basically have a stronger vote, though obviously it gets expensive to purchase a ton (especially since purchased shares = higher share cost).
Sadly means that if someone or some group that’s bloody rich manages to buy enough shares (50% or more, typically), they can practically “take over” a company, in the sense that they have enough voting power to call the shots.
@@norrecvizharan1177 maybe i was too harsh on supercell then
@@jagunsoXD I feel that. If anything, I honestly pity most of the large game companies these days, cause it’s clear that they have talent (along with high end programs to make stuff with). But at this point, they’re all practically run by investors who never even step into the actual offices, and basically try to hyper-optimize things as if it were like any other company (splitting everyone into several groups and having them refer to a command chain if they want to make changes is an example which I believe Ubisoft goes through. That’s fine for office projects, but for coding games where you NEED to enact countless changes for bugfixes, it’s basically poison that results in the broken game slop we see so often).
Unfortunate part is that game companies are quite literally super unique and don’t run nearly the same way as everything else (well, there’s similarities to the toy industry, but it’s still mixed with coding issues), so most of the money-grubbing higherups come off as braindead amateurs with most tactics they pull.
Bleh, sorry for gettin rambley. It just seems like in reality, game devs aren’t typically bumbling idiots in the AAA industry, but rather it’s more like money runs things in a suffocating manner to a point where they’re just forced to fail and then take the blame for it, while higher ups vacuum up all the cash.
Offers only gunna get more expensive😭😭😭
gree more like greed
US software patents is utterly broken,
6:08 if only this passed
This is why battlefront 2 got sued into oblivion, supercell just gets away with it
Nice. Now Clash Royale will be more P2W
Got 2 supercell ads before the video even started
This should be more visible! Shadowbans?
probably not this a small creator it wont get many views
I would like to patent the idea of patenting every idea one can think of.!
Supercell probably trying to buy their company back from tencent .
Patents in gaming is one of the dumbest things ever
Literally locking an idea or system away from the world under threat of a lawsuit kills creativity and potential in many other games
Imagine you patent the level up system bye bye almost every game in the world
Loot boxes and gambling are the same thing. The only difference is the visualization on how you "roll". Even if loot boxes never get considered as gambling, at the very least should be regulated since many people have an addiction to them.
Patenting gameplay mechanics should be illegal. I hate the court systems.
thats an oddly specific number
Japanese patent court is actually broken
It's always a Japanese company firing lawsuits in the gaming industry
I got a clash royale ad on this video.
i think the only time loot boxes should be considered illegal is if the odds it tells you are a lie and this also goes for if they get better over time without mentioning it
often times games will say something has a drop chance but be lower than shown but even if it states a low chance-and the more you open/buy then you get better odds without it telling you. or building to a pity system that’s nowhere to be shown-i feel like that’s deception aswell and leads to people feeling lucky and engaged which can lead to them spending even more
entirely different story if it is shown that there’s a pitty system or states opening more has an increasing chance to give rarer items, but when there’s paid items that involve RNG and odds are being changed without knowing then it just seems illegal
Gree ❌ Greedy ✅
Seems like Gree whole business idea is suing big companies
If only I could have gotten all of that money right there...
Expect a $0.99 to attack feature
They fuk'd around and they found out
that explains level 15 + evolutions 🤣😂
They are patenting everything whats next are they gonna patent my heart beat pattern?
20x value lawsuit
i love seeing real beef
I got a Clash of Clans ad before watching this...
And a Squad Busters ad in the middle of watching the vid
Clash Royale Advertisement on this video.. supercell doubles down
Here we go… The companies will begin cannablizing themselves 🙄
100mil that's insane
They have billions
@@tasya7508 Still an insane number to me since I'll likely never see a million myself 😅
greed incorporated 😂
A lot of games will be in trouble if loot boxes are illegal lol
Same for Nintendo and Mari Kart
4:43 What does Greece have to do with all of this?
caption err - it's Gree lol
yay a company making a shitnload of patents to hope they catch other game company's out. this sends a bad message out to even bigger company's for them to want to do this to monopolise a certain demographic within the genre of games they design. this is going to lead to terrible practices that will affect us the consumer. yeh supercell sucks atm, but this happening will potentially lead to a plateau in true innovations in gaming as company's can't build off of each others ideas if they compete within the same genre.
This is the norm
patent trolls need to be dealt with companies shouldn't have overly broad patents and if they patent something and they don't use it they should LOOSE IT so sick of this BS like steam having to pay to have buttons on the back of the controller
Oh shit brb im pattening "print hello world"
ic thats why supercell is milking us now
Seems like no matter how much money you have, a loser of a person will always be a loser
Patents lawsuits are awful and just useless
Patent law is *supposed to* protect IPs from getting stolen. Patents are not supposed to be made for general ideas, rediculous.
Patents for gaming is an absolute joke, why do they even exist
First add is squad busters lmao
Skill issue 🫵🏻😂👉 Supercell
How does he only have 2 k subs so underrated
not surprised by a chinese owned company, tencent bought supercell in 2016.
that's a lot of numbers