Got me crying at 10 am 😭 I'm so happy this man found peace in God and what a absolute miracle and testimony of God and that he never leaves and is always long-suffering towards us. God bless this man and God bless you Javier. ❤
Hallelujah, praise God! I've also felt God making Himself known to me in that out-of-no-where bear-hug way that you describe. It's happened when I feel despair pounding on the gates and breaching the walls, alone at night, lieing in bed in silence. In faith I prayed to God, and a sudden rush of feeling loved encompassed me. It's happened to me three times. It doesn't replace the need for theology, study, and the church to know who God is, but it is nonetheless the real gift of God's presence to individuals who call on His name.
Wonderful testimony to a journey in faith. I’m having similar journey. God bless you Tyler and your family in your calling and you Javier in your ministry.
1. Exclusivism in salvation is one of the most consistently taught doctrines in church history and I cant think of a SINGLE church father who denied it. This was so widely understood even many magisterial protestants said that only those in churches with correct confessions of faith would be saved (see belgic confession). The idea that simple faith in christ is enough basically comes from 1800s revivalism and would also include jehovas witnesses and mormons. 2. Universalism has been condemned by the church and who ever says otherwise is a heretic. 3. "Toll houses" or the idea that the soul is accused by demons after death, is taught in virtually every church father from early times contra the view held by many protestants that we immediately go to heaven or hell without a kind of "court". 4. This is a nitpick but Paul says christ is the rock in 1 Corinthians... the fact that Jesus is so many places in the old testament is what gave Christianity credibility. Love the channel though and love magisterial Protestantism in general.
"Toll houses" or the idea that the soul is accused by demons after death, is taught in virtually every church father from early times contra the view held by many protestants that we immediately go to heaven or hell without a kind of "court" Half of the Eastern Orthodox have never even heard of them, or consider them downright heresy, and no some of the wisest Catholics i've ever met who know patristics like the back of their hand have never even heard of the concept. Even the True/ Genuine Orthodox reject them in large numbers.
@@news_internationale2035 Katholikos means universal in a different way. It means the Church lacks nothing for salvation and is open to all as opposed to Judaism.
Finished the video, loved it! This is exactly where I'm at, stuck between those exact two traditions. Thanks to Tylar for sharing his testimony! I understand that it's probably very hard to find interview subjects, but I'd LOVE to hear some more stories from older people who were more established in the Orthodox or Catholic Churches before deciding on Protestantism. :) The subjects of these videos tend to be very young men who "flirted" (no disrespect, just can't think of a better term) with Orthodoxy for a few months to a year, rather than those who have spent years *within* the Church. Or even attended a parish regularly for a few years. Obviously these perspectives are *totally* valid and I enjoy hearing them, but hearing from someone who was more fully formed within those traditions would be a wonderful comparison. No disrespect to Tylar at all, but a few points he made were (not intentionally I'm sure) inaccurate/a bit too generalized. But this is totally natural! Because he hasn't spent years in a parish context, he can't be expected to know all those details. I believe testimonies from individuals with a bit more experience in the traditions being discussed would be very helpful for those of us who are discerning between the two churches. :) All of this is said with deep appreciation for the effort and vulnerability you both put into this interview, and for your theological commitments. :)
Thank you for the kind words and constructive feedback! I completely understand what you mean -- my goal is to host conversations with a mix of younger and older guests for precisely the reasons you state! I think its good to have a mix of perspectives shared on the channel. I've met (well, online anyway lol) several older converts to Protestant traditions who spent years as Eastern Orthodox (EOs) or Roman Catholic (RCs), but not everyone is always keen to publicly share their story on camera. The goal is definitely to have conversations with those people if and/or when they're ready, though! I have a few interviews with older converts from RC in the channel who spent years as RCs already (and some more coming up in about a month or two!), and it's easier to connect with former RCs since RC is much larger in number than EO and especially so in the West. Like I said earlier, though, I really appreciate the feedback, and it's something I hope to do better the more and more time goes on 🙂
What this man says about Orthodox church sounds true to me. I heard from different people that Orthodox church is very regional. Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox, etc. They all believe in the same God of course but if you are not Greek or Russian or whatever you feel like a foreign body in their church. However, I understand the allure because Orthodox church has the fullness of Christianity. I think that if this man had joined Catholic church which has the fullness and is also universal not local he would have stuck with it. It's a shame that he went Anglican where women priestesses and transgender clergy are accepted but it is not yet end of this man's story I believe.
There are MANY conservative and biblically-faithful Anglican churches who do not bend the knee to the Bishop of Canterbury on the issue of same-sex relationships and women's ordination.
Augustine of Hippo ⓘ 1/3 (1 min) AD 430 We ought not be disturbed because some who do not belong or do not yet belong to this temple, that is, among whom God does not or does not yet dwell, perform some works of power, as happened to the one who cast out devils in the name of Christ. Although he was not a follower of Christ, Christ ordered that he be allowed to continue because it gave a valuable testimony of his name to many.... The centurion Cornelius also saw the angel that was sent to him to say that his prayers had been heard and his alms accepted, even before he was incorporated into this temple by regeneration. Letter, To Dardanus
This letter as well is also supported by psalms 145 17 The LORD is righteous in all His ways, Gracious in all His works. 18 The LORD is near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth. 19 He will fulfill the desire of those who fear Him; He also will hear their cry and save them. 20 The LORD preserves all who love Him, But all the wicked He will destroy. 21 My mouth shall speak the praise of the LORD, And all flesh shall bless His holy name Forever and ever.
But here is a question I have regarding intercession of the saints, the veneration of the relics of martyrs/saints, and the veneration of Mary: How did these practices pop up ***everywhere*** in the church universal (East, West, Coptic, Syriac, Ethiopian) without even a hint of contention? Furthermore, how is it that we Protestants accept the orthodoxy of the Ecumenical Councils of the fourth through the sixth century church but reject these same fathers' orthopraxy (intercession of the saints, Marian veneration, relics, etc). In other words, how can this moment in the church be so trusted on doctrine but considered wrong on practical matters, if lex ordandi, lex credendi means anything?
Just a random youtuber adding my thoughts. Most Anglicans would adhere to the three legged stool of "scripture, tradition, and reason". The above practices would fall under tradition. Icons were a way for early Christians to see the story of Christ. The bible wasn't available and even if it was, hardly anyone could read. So the pictures (icons) told the story. To venerate an icon is no different than to look at a photo of a loved one who has passed away and hold it close to you. It is not the picture that matters, its what it portrays. I agree that it is strange that most protestants reject so much of the doctrine and beliefs of the early Fathers, however, most Anglicans do not.
How can one know a Tradition™️ is true when the only thing to go off of is that same Tradition™️, (unless Tradition™️ is somehow self attesting, which ends up with the same claim as Sola Scriptura, yet without a written revelation from the apostles themselves)?
Also for what tylar spoke of in cultural snobbery thats very odd to say however sometimes it happens i as a mexican man whos pretty dark in complexion was welcomed with open arms in the Greek Orthodox Church i attend so i dont know why he brought up the faults of man into something discussing God
I recommend you talk to Living Orthodox the priest there is Father Mikhail also for ecumenism tylar mentioned Saint Augustine of hippo talks about it so when he mentioned the father's not explaining he lied
Only the Roman Catholic and the Orthodox Churches have the full presence of Christ in the Eucharist - body, blood, soul and divinity and that's why they claim to be the one true Church. In John 6:60 we read: “Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, ‘This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?’” (It is here, in the rejection of the Eucharist, that Judas fell away; look at John 6:64.) “After this, many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him” (John 6:66). As an aside and spookily, this is the only time that 666 appears in a Biblical passage! This is why I left Anglicanism - it's not about arrogance, it's about understanding Christ's promise that ONLY those who believe in this will have eternal life (John 6:53-56) and it can only be found in one of these two denominations.
Perhaps an examination of why you keep having interviews against converting to EO or Catholicism. There is no escaping the fact there is a True Church that Jesus founded.
Yep, and it’s neither the Roman Catholic church nor the eastern orthodox church, since many of the arguments for not converting to either are very similar.
Protestents believe In a true church. At best the denominations are all in the one true church not a single denom represents the one true church or one church body Is the true church. He has explained why he is doing these in other videos. Catholics and Orthodox have been platforming their conversations everywhere so to help those who are struggling with these issues and give a voice to those who swam to the other side helps create a bigger picture of the issues. I dont think it's because he just does not want to be eastern Orthodox or catholic. And those in protestantism do believe in church that Christ established the church that is visible and invisible and that includes many bodies and not exclusive to one group like Catholic or Orthodox. So the belief of a true church is believed by the prot side.
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But there are like six groups claiming to be the one true church. So who is it? BTW, that's the whole point of this channel. It's like the "Coming Home to Rome" channels but for Lutherans, Anglicans, etc. It's pretty clear in his explanation of the channel.
@W1AL Makes no sense. That's like saying well you have a mom and a dad so there is both God mom and dad. But Even beyond that all believers are one body in Christ despite the denoms.
The thing of tylar as well sensing a spirit of pride and deceit in itself is prideful as the heart is deceiving and to think you know that your opinion is infallible on that is pretty odd as for unified why dont you explain how it wasnt unified i have to continue watching to keep checking give me a moment
Celibacy as well was decided upon by saint paul who was led by the Holy Spirit he mentions in 1 corinthians about celibacy to please the Lord and avoid distractions so to do that as a bishop you should be celibate as bishops have to lead and manage the church which is above a priest so as to be soley focused on God etc
Paul says it’s not a command but his opinion, if you read 1st Corinthians. That’s really stretching the interpretation of that verse to conclude it was a mandate for Bishops. Timothy and Titus speak of being married men as overseers for ministry leadership. Greek Orthodox was almost non existent in the west and had it not been for Protestants and Catholics the gospel would not have reached as many people around the world if it had only been up to the Orthodox.
@@carpediem5526 its a possibility however its what the church fathers mandate now and its the consensus so i cant really argue against that as for the spreading of the gospel it wouldnt have mattered as it's God's will to spread Orthodoxy its more like low quantity high quality vs protestant or catholic low quality high quantity like protestantism has done more harm in the US than good as before Orthodox i looked at protestant churches and saw them as some sort of over exaggerated nonsense but researching Orthodoxy gave me a much clearer understanding and was far more intelligent than protestantism
@@carpediem5526 as for catholics i was somewhat in choosing between the 2 but the fallacies of catholicism ended up with Orthodoxy being the last option and the truest option by far compared to any protestant or catholic
@@carpediem5526 So we should expect the true church to have at least SOME virgins (remember they are mentioned too) and celibates.... but protestants have none except a very fiew anglicans
Any fracturing off of Christ’s True church can’t be the final destination for anyone. If a church is founded because a king wanted a divorce that seems like a very low probability of being the place Jesus would willingly want you to end your journey in his church. If you love someone you want them to find the Truth and I have faith he’ll keep going on his journey
@@robertwarner-ev7wp no just basic history of a church founded by a king who wanted another wife and left the Catholic Church and started his own so he could get what he wanted instead of stay with his wife till he died like Jesus and the Catholic Church requested
Anglicanism is kinda like modern celtic orthodox, but I wish it was. connected to the old celtic church which was isle orthodox. Antioch churches also do western rite. I hope we can create western orthodox again somehow. But I don't agree with the gender and anti LGBT biases. All people should be able to come to church. I believe in gender equality and find the Pauline terms to be used like a cudgel and contextually used wrong.
Also for protestantism to work you realize that the gates of hades would have to have prevailed over the church for protestantism and roman catholicism to work as there would have been 1 thousand years of heresy for romans to have been correct and and even more 5 hundred years for protestantism to work for martin luther
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Can you spot your fallacy?
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You haven't read the Lutheran Confessions, have you.
If there was a fallacy within the original church itd have been telling of the gates of hades prevailing so although people may question the Orthodox church is the true church compared to the protestant reformation or catholicism
As for luther he himself gave himself the authority to remove the canonical books as his friend i cant remember his name was against luther removing the book of james if i remember because it interfered with what luther was trying to accomplish although i respect luther for trying to get away from heresy he endeded up making it far worse once calvin came into the mix and made it far far worse ending up in what there's no 40k denominations within "Christianity"
Thankfully I found a Episcopal Church to attend that I'm very happy with instead of trying to become Eastern Catholic or Roman Catholic. ➕🕯️🕯️🔔
I pray for Tylar during this time of transition. May God to continue to guide him and his family during this time. It was great to hear his story.
We love the Eastern Orthodox content here.
Got me crying at 10 am 😭
I'm so happy this man found peace in God and what a absolute miracle and testimony of God and that he never leaves and is always long-suffering towards us. God bless this man and God bless you Javier. ❤
Hallelujah, praise God! I've also felt God making Himself known to me in that out-of-no-where bear-hug way that you describe. It's happened when I feel despair pounding on the gates and breaching the walls, alone at night, lieing in bed in silence. In faith I prayed to God, and a sudden rush of feeling loved encompassed me. It's happened to me three times. It doesn't replace the need for theology, study, and the church to know who God is, but it is nonetheless the real gift of God's presence to individuals who call on His name.
Did you use to be a Jehovah's witness?
@@robbchristopher158 No, but I understand why you ask based on my username. I also have been asked if I'm James White and called a "justice warrior" 😄
Wonderful testimony to a journey in faith. I’m having similar journey. God bless you Tyler and your family in your calling and you Javier in your ministry.
1. Exclusivism in salvation is one of the most consistently taught doctrines in church history and I cant think of a SINGLE church father who denied it. This was so widely understood even many magisterial protestants said that only those in churches with correct confessions of faith would be saved (see belgic confession). The idea that simple faith in christ is enough basically comes from 1800s revivalism and would also include jehovas witnesses and mormons.
2. Universalism has been condemned by the church and who ever says otherwise is a heretic.
3. "Toll houses" or the idea that the soul is accused by demons after death, is taught in virtually every church father from early times contra the view held by many protestants that we immediately go to heaven or hell without a kind of "court".
4. This is a nitpick but Paul says christ is the rock in 1 Corinthians... the fact that Jesus is so many places in the old testament is what gave Christianity credibility.
Love the channel though and love magisterial Protestantism in general.
If universalism is condemned then how could the person condemning be catholic?
Catholic is universal.
"Toll houses" or the idea that the soul is accused by demons after death, is taught in virtually every church father from early times contra the view held by many protestants that we immediately go to heaven or hell without a kind of "court"
Half of the Eastern Orthodox have never even heard of them, or consider them downright heresy, and no some of the wisest Catholics i've ever met who know patristics like the back of their hand have never even heard of the concept. Even the True/ Genuine Orthodox reject them in large numbers.
@@news_internationale2035 Katholikos means universal in a different way. It means the Church lacks nothing for salvation and is open to all as opposed to Judaism.
Finished the video, loved it! This is exactly where I'm at, stuck between those exact two traditions. Thanks to Tylar for sharing his testimony!
I understand that it's probably very hard to find interview subjects, but I'd LOVE to hear some more stories from older people who were more established in the Orthodox or Catholic Churches before deciding on Protestantism. :) The subjects of these videos tend to be very young men who "flirted" (no disrespect, just can't think of a better term) with Orthodoxy for a few months to a year, rather than those who have spent years *within* the Church. Or even attended a parish regularly for a few years. Obviously these perspectives are *totally* valid and I enjoy hearing them, but hearing from someone who was more fully formed within those traditions would be a wonderful comparison.
No disrespect to Tylar at all, but a few points he made were (not intentionally I'm sure) inaccurate/a bit too generalized. But this is totally natural! Because he hasn't spent years in a parish context, he can't be expected to know all those details. I believe testimonies from individuals with a bit more experience in the traditions being discussed would be very helpful for those of us who are discerning between the two churches. :)
All of this is said with deep appreciation for the effort and vulnerability you both put into this interview, and for your theological commitments. :)
Thank you for the kind words and constructive feedback!
I completely understand what you mean -- my goal is to host conversations with a mix of younger and older guests for precisely the reasons you state! I think its good to have a mix of perspectives shared on the channel. I've met (well, online anyway lol) several older converts to Protestant traditions who spent years as Eastern Orthodox (EOs) or Roman Catholic (RCs), but not everyone is always keen to publicly share their story on camera. The goal is definitely to have conversations with those people if and/or when they're ready, though!
I have a few interviews with older converts from RC in the channel who spent years as RCs already (and some more coming up in about a month or two!), and it's easier to connect with former RCs since RC is much larger in number than EO and especially so in the West.
Like I said earlier, though, I really appreciate the feedback, and it's something I hope to do better the more and more time goes on 🙂
Have you watched any videos by Joshua Schooping? He was an Orthodox priest for a while.
What this man says about Orthodox church sounds true to me. I heard from different people that Orthodox church is very regional. Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox, etc. They all believe in the same God of course but if you are not Greek or Russian or whatever you feel like a foreign body in their church. However, I understand the allure because Orthodox church has the fullness of Christianity. I think that if this man had joined Catholic church which has the fullness and is also universal not local he would have stuck with it. It's a shame that he went Anglican where women priestesses and transgender clergy are accepted but it is not yet end of this man's story I believe.
There are MANY conservative and biblically-faithful Anglican churches who do not bend the knee to the Bishop of Canterbury on the issue of same-sex relationships and women's ordination.
Augustine of Hippo ⓘ
1/3 (1 min)
AD 430
We ought not be disturbed because some who do not belong or do not yet belong to this temple, that is, among whom God does not or does not yet dwell, perform some works of power, as happened to the one who cast out devils in the name of Christ. Although he was not a follower of Christ, Christ ordered that he be allowed to continue because it gave a valuable testimony of his name to many.... The centurion Cornelius also saw the angel that was sent to him to say that his prayers had been heard and his alms accepted, even before he was incorporated into this temple by regeneration. Letter, To Dardanus
This letter as well is also supported by psalms 145 17 The LORD is righteous in all His ways, Gracious in all His works.
18 The LORD is near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth.
19 He will fulfill the desire of those who fear Him; He also will hear their cry and save them.
20 The LORD preserves all who love Him, But all the wicked He will destroy.
21 My mouth shall speak the praise of the LORD, And all flesh shall bless His holy name Forever and ever.
But here is a question I have regarding intercession of the saints, the veneration of the relics of martyrs/saints, and the veneration of Mary: How did these practices pop up ***everywhere*** in the church universal (East, West, Coptic, Syriac, Ethiopian) without even a hint of contention? Furthermore, how is it that we Protestants accept the orthodoxy of the Ecumenical Councils of the fourth through the sixth century church but reject these same fathers' orthopraxy (intercession of the saints, Marian veneration, relics, etc). In other words, how can this moment in the church be so trusted on doctrine but considered wrong on practical matters, if lex ordandi, lex credendi means anything?
Just a random youtuber adding my thoughts. Most Anglicans would adhere to the three legged stool of "scripture, tradition, and reason". The above practices would fall under tradition. Icons were a way for early Christians to see the story of Christ. The bible wasn't available and even if it was, hardly anyone could read. So the pictures (icons) told the story. To venerate an icon is no different than to look at a photo of a loved one who has passed away and hold it close to you. It is not the picture that matters, its what it portrays. I agree that it is strange that most protestants reject so much of the doctrine and beliefs of the early Fathers, however, most Anglicans do not.
Funky pops who could imagine.
Another wonderful vido brother
How can one know a Tradition™️ is true when the only thing to go off of is that same Tradition™️, (unless Tradition™️ is somehow self attesting, which ends up with the same claim as Sola Scriptura, yet without a written revelation from the apostles themselves)?
Are Anglicans conservative? I need a conservative church
I'm interested in you having a convo with Mike Winger. Even Joshua Schooping.
Something about valid critiques really brings out the hateful ecclesialist hivemind huh?
I've noticed this also. It's like going to the Coming Home Network and getting pissed at all of the converts for their choice 😂
Also for what tylar spoke of in cultural snobbery thats very odd to say however sometimes it happens i as a mexican man whos pretty dark in complexion was welcomed with open arms in the Greek Orthodox Church i attend so i dont know why he brought up the faults of man into something discussing God
I recommend you talk to Living Orthodox the priest there is Father Mikhail also for ecumenism tylar mentioned Saint Augustine of hippo talks about it so when he mentioned the father's not explaining he lied
Only the Roman Catholic and the Orthodox Churches have the full presence of Christ in the Eucharist - body, blood, soul and divinity and that's why they claim to be the one true Church. In John 6:60 we read: “Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, ‘This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?’” (It is here, in the rejection of the Eucharist, that Judas fell away; look at John 6:64.) “After this, many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him” (John 6:66). As an aside and spookily, this is the only time that 666 appears in a Biblical passage! This is why I left Anglicanism - it's not about arrogance, it's about understanding Christ's promise that ONLY those who believe in this will have eternal life (John 6:53-56) and it can only be found in one of these two denominations.
Anglicans affirm the Real Presence of Christ in the eucharist. So do plenty of other Protestant traditions.
@@javierperd2604 Anglicans do not have valid ordinations.
@@carlose4314but the East does?
@@javierperd2604 but not transubstantiation? I thought it was just spirit and divinity rather than body, blood, spirit and divinity?
@@clivejames5058the Reformed spiritual presence position is the Spirit communicating unto the Elect the Body and Blood of Christ
So you join a religion that accepts and believes in women priests. Women cannot be priests. That's the reason I left the Anglican Church
As for pride of Orthodoxy why didnt you go more into detail
Perhaps an examination of why you keep having interviews against converting to EO or Catholicism. There is no escaping the fact there is a True Church that Jesus founded.
Yep, and it’s neither the Roman Catholic church nor the eastern orthodox church, since many of the arguments for not converting to either are very similar.
Protestents believe In a true church. At best the denominations are all in the one true church not a single denom represents the one true church or one church body Is the true church. He has explained why he is doing these in other videos. Catholics and Orthodox have been platforming their conversations everywhere so to help those who are struggling with these issues and give a voice to those who swam to the other side helps create a bigger picture of the issues. I dont think it's because he just does not want to be eastern Orthodox or catholic. And those in protestantism do believe in church that Christ established the church that is visible and invisible and that includes many bodies and not exclusive to one group like Catholic or Orthodox. So the belief of a true church is believed by the prot side.
But there are like six groups claiming to be the one true church. So who is it?
BTW, that's the whole point of this channel. It's like the "Coming Home to Rome" channels but for Lutherans, Anglicans, etc. It's pretty clear in his explanation of the channel.
@@JesusRodriguez-gu1wvDid Jesus have many bodies?
@W1AL Makes no sense. That's like saying well you have a mom and a dad so there is both God mom and dad. But Even beyond that all believers are one body in Christ despite the denoms.
The thing of tylar as well sensing a spirit of pride and deceit in itself is prideful as the heart is deceiving and to think you know that your opinion is infallible on that is pretty odd as for unified why dont you explain how it wasnt unified i have to continue watching to keep checking give me a moment
Wut?
He didnt speak of the problem of unification when he brought it up during the Orthodox things tylar questioned
Celibacy as well was decided upon by saint paul who was led by the Holy Spirit he mentions in 1 corinthians about celibacy to please the Lord and avoid distractions so to do that as a bishop you should be celibate as bishops have to lead and manage the church which is above a priest so as to be soley focused on God etc
Paul says it’s not a command but his opinion, if you read 1st Corinthians. That’s really stretching the interpretation of that verse to conclude it was a mandate for Bishops. Timothy and Titus speak of being married men as overseers for ministry leadership. Greek Orthodox was almost non existent in the west and had it not been for Protestants and Catholics the gospel would not have reached as many people around the world if it had only been up to the Orthodox.
@@carpediem5526 its a possibility however its what the church fathers mandate now and its the consensus so i cant really argue against that as for the spreading of the gospel it wouldnt have mattered as it's God's will to spread Orthodoxy its more like low quantity high quality vs protestant or catholic low quality high quantity like protestantism has done more harm in the US than good as before Orthodox i looked at protestant churches and saw them as some sort of over exaggerated nonsense but researching Orthodoxy gave me a much clearer understanding and was far more intelligent than protestantism
@@carpediem5526 as for catholics i was somewhat in choosing between the 2 but the fallacies of catholicism ended up with Orthodoxy being the last option and the truest option by far compared to any protestant or catholic
@@carpediem5526 oh wow dude i come back to check the comments and my reply previously was deleted i heavily dislike youtube censorship
@@carpediem5526 So we should expect the true church to have at least SOME virgins (remember they are mentioned too) and celibates.... but protestants have none except a very fiew anglicans
Anglican ???? With all due respect this won’t last long
How can that comment be with all due respect?
Why?
My female Bishop would Disagree. you either follow the sparkle Creed or you're outside the church
Any fracturing off of Christ’s True church can’t be the final destination for anyone. If a church is founded because a king wanted a divorce that seems like a very low probability of being the place Jesus would willingly want you to end your journey in his church. If you love someone you want them to find the Truth and I have faith he’ll keep going on his journey
@@robertwarner-ev7wp no just basic history of a church founded by a king who wanted another wife and left the Catholic Church and started his own so he could get what he wanted instead of stay with his wife till he died like Jesus and the Catholic Church requested
Anglicanism is kinda like modern celtic orthodox, but I wish it was. connected to the old celtic church which was isle orthodox. Antioch churches also do western rite. I hope we can create western orthodox again somehow. But I don't agree with the gender and anti LGBT biases. All people should be able to come to church. I believe in gender equality and find the Pauline terms to be used like a cudgel and contextually used wrong.
Then you can't accept Christianity because homosexuality is always sinful and gender is given by God. That includes gender roles.
Also for protestantism to work you realize that the gates of hades would have to have prevailed over the church for protestantism and roman catholicism to work as there would have been 1 thousand years of heresy for romans to have been correct and and even more 5 hundred years for protestantism to work for martin luther
Can you spot your fallacy?
You haven't read the Lutheran Confessions, have you.
I mean I've read Chemnitz and Gerhard and they say false teaching entered in basically immediately although the most ancietn fathers are "more pure"
If there was a fallacy within the original church itd have been telling of the gates of hades prevailing so although people may question the Orthodox church is the true church compared to the protestant reformation or catholicism
As for luther he himself gave himself the authority to remove the canonical books as his friend i cant remember his name was against luther removing the book of james if i remember because it interfered with what luther was trying to accomplish although i respect luther for trying to get away from heresy he endeded up making it far worse once calvin came into the mix and made it far far worse ending up in what there's no 40k denominations within "Christianity"