Finland wouldn't exist as a nation at all without being granted soverignty by Russia. The Russians are defenders of liberty and democracy, and Finland -- though I've had very close Finnish friends whom I love - is now under UK OCCUPATION and thus part of a Global Gestapo project. This is pure RACISM and propaganda by violent forces such as the CIA/MI6 and their pawns.
Brodie Robertson has a video dedicated to the Malibal debacle. "The person who wrote all of these account seems a bit unhinged" is quite the magnanimous statement after reading their answer.
@@TheLinuxEXPOne of the requirements for something to be found to be defamation requires the statement to be knowingly misleading. In this case, it isn't.
something not meeting the legal definition of defamation doesn't mean they can't try to sue you. and if they do, you'll still have to get a lawyer and possibly show up to court to prove that you're right
@@TheLinuxEXP I also think that agitating them is not wise. In all seriousness let's all agree that they need professional help and an opportunity for redemption.
Linux Foundation doesn't drop Russian maintanters, they drop access for only few developers, who are connected with Russian commercial companies, these developers can still take a part in development, but decisions aren't dependent from them
@TheLinuxEXP Yeah, I know, I wrote it because some users'll definitely write negative comments before watching this video, I have a knowledge about the situation with Russian Linux segment and there's lots of negative comments about this situation, especially on OpenNet. And thank you for providing details!
People who "hate" Nvidia because they are Linux users are stupid anyway. If anything the recent push for better Linux support should be encouraged, not met with anger. Everyone on Linux benefits if Nvidia ramps up support for the platform. Only then we will see it flourish and users will then have more choice, which is always a plus in my book!
How about hating Nvidia for cutting of all Russian users which are most of GPU users in Russia? It doesn't affect me and it's easily worked around but still, shows what they really think about free software community.
@@PredatoryQQmber I dont know anything about that and I personally would assume this is an order from the US government, kind of like an embargo, similar to android for Huawei. If this is true I understand that it sucks for Russian Nvidia customers but those are the consequences of committing crimes you know, thats why politicians usually act reserved, so none of the citizen have to endure such things. This definitely is far beyond the scope of my comment though....
Great...so today I find out as a 27+ year Linux user that this global free and open source software is a) at the behest of US foreign policy whims b) senior developers are polluting the ethic of "shut up and code" with political activism. Tragic.
Every developer is free to fork an open source project and operate it under the regulation of his own country. Redhat for one has always been US, Suse German, Mandrake/Mandriva was French, etc Open source is not about not following laws of any country. It is about sharing. Nothing stop a Russian developer to code on his own fork of the kernel. No GPL freedom was removed from him. Don't confuse "freedom" the concept with "the open source freedoms" which are specific freedoms. Nothing to do with not following rules. There were already a lot of share the code without abiding with the law before the GPL. GPL is about sharing while abiding to the law. It has always been about being part of the system. The same the system give you any freedoms and not others. And there are multiple systems. In China, you are not authorized to tell the Xi looks like Winnie the Pig. In France, you have this freedom. In France, you don"t have the right to defend yourself except if it is certain the attacker would have killed you (which is quite complex and always requires a judge, even policeman have to go to the judge when they kill a criminal on duty - well in France you have to call the police and not defend yourself but when you call them they tell that unless you are already injured there is nothing to justify them to come, so in short unless the attacker already attacked you and if you are lucky he did not kill you, you can go to the police to complain and they will write that you were attacked on a paper... but unless you know identity of the attacker they can do nothing more than write that you were attacked. In China, everyone is recorded all the time, so you have the freedom that your attacker will be identified. Different freedoms. And I even believe that not everything is recorded and that triads still do their stuff in China. But a random aggressor might be less common. Huawei forked Android and made their own OS based on that. The GPL code is not bound by the country regulations. The team that lead the development is another story and is obviously bound by their own regulation and personal history. We are not robots.
When you maintain a global product that gets contributions from almost every country in the world, you should comply to laws in the most open and forward manner. Linux's first-in-command and second-in-command failed to do that, and that's a pity. Glad that sombody in the core team had enough sense to make a thorough public statement.
Free/open source software was the last fairy tale I believed in, after I believed in Santa Clause, trustful friendship, eternal love, human rights and democracy. I've got nothing left now.
Open source is mean to be democratic, from the people for the people. A place where no matter your politics or point of view, we all work together. Alienating a certain group means open source is no longer open. It’s a step backwards
They simply lost their priviledged status of being able to send patches straight to the kernel without it having to be sponsored or reviewed. They are not being alienated and they can still contribute. This is a completely reasonable safety measure in trying to mitigate potential dangers of developers who might be compromised due to their location and life situation where they can be forced by their own authoritarian government to do something nefarious. Next time try actually watching the video and paying attention to nuance before knee-jerk reacting with nonsense.
@@RandomDeforge You're forgetting that it is usually US triple letter agencies that usually inject backdoors in Windows and who would do it with Linux if their code wouldn't be reviewed. One US university actually tried that and as a result it was baned from contributing to Linux. Given the history I recall, I'd be more afraid of American backdoors than Russian ones.
Isn't the point of the internet and FOSS that it doesn't matter who you are what you do where you are from you can do something, be part of a community?
@@mevgayming China and Russia already did it but it marks a dangerous precedent. The goal of the Linux foundation was unity but at this pace, we will have different forks, and none of them collaborate. Finally, Linux will turn private.
@@eng3d the goal of the linux foundation was to advocate for the development and maintenance of the linux kernel. nowhere in there did it mention allowing genocidal contractors to work for it
@@mevgayming Why forking if Linux kernel is free? Or is it? It sets a dangerous precedent and now you cannot guarantee that political forces are not influencing decisions for which patch should be accepted by core Linux maintainers including Linus. It seems to me the Linux is not free anymore.
Everyone knows why though. If Linux is largely backed by western/US companies, the US gets to decide who is to be banned and who's fine, which is why everyone in the west is zombified to hate Russia, yet abide by whatever crap Israel comes up with.
The response to the removal of the maintainers, especially on reddit and phoronix was extremely disheartening. They spoke of these people, some of whom have been contributing for decades, as if they were injecting malware into the kernel, which is completely absurd. Linus acted like an overgrown child, but that's pretty much on brand for him. This decision harms everyone, even if you don't like Russia it sends a terrible precedent, that governments can just strongarm this project and get their way.
I totally was shocked two, knowing that Reddit is full of dog sh*t, but for Phoronix was surprised, also most other sites too. For me the outcome is that generally the people around Linux kernel share the same sentiments as LF and Torvalds. That's a big screw-up already, because there're many more people not directly involved in the kernel, but observing and reacting to what drives the people there were supposed to trust mostly in first place. For me this is the biggest punch in the face of the community so far and opening that Pandora box will be devastating.
I love the peculiar wording here, they weren't strong armed anymore than what Raytheon was "strong armed" because they have to comply with sanctions, but please continue spreading bad faith.
Even if they must remove devs to comply with laws they should have done it with the respect to these devs and their work. At least to say that they are greatful for years of contribution and they are sorry to be parting with them due to such and such reason. Instead, that little history lesson is absolutely childish.
Linus also said that he did for Finland. Apparently, he remembered the history of Finland and how Finland fought against Russia when Finland sided with the nazis.
As a Texan, I fully approve of his banning us. Thank you for preemptively protecting the citizens of Texas from dealing with your company. Never heard of him before this, and hopefully never will again.
Tbh Linus torvald made the issue worse by being a jerk. Not everyone who complaint about something is Russian troll. I am not even russian and i was told I'm russian bot and I supposedly have Ukrainian blood in my hand because i just asked why those maintainers were removed.
I am Ukrainian, but not zombified into hating Russia and loving the west when it's clear, that the US needs a war to rid itself of a crazy amount of debt they'll otherwise never be able to repay. But even though I was born in Ukraine (luckily a German Citizen for many years now), I am still labeled a Russian bot. Can't cure those stupid I guess.
When Huawei will be banned from contributing to Linux Kernel ? Arent they under sanctions? Huawei is among top five contributors to linux kernel development.
They shouldnt be banned, they should leave and drop the west. Without all the eastern coders Linux will dwell in a gutter. I hope Russians and Chinese coders (and Indian, and all from the not western countries) will fork and create their own Linux branch completely. Lets see who will habe a better Linux after that. I kind of think I know who.
@@normieeliminator they didn't move away from Linux. They produce and develop many things , not only phones. And I just checked the latest statistics for last four kernel releases of this year and Huawei is among the top contributors , they contributed from 2 to 4 % of changes.
@@normieeliminator Huawei is one of the largest contributors to the kernel by volume of patches; they do far more than just phones and other consumer electronics -- e.g., enterprise servers and, the thing the United States loved to scream about the most, networking equiment and various things for 4G/5G cellular infrastructure. I don't think they'll likely ever fully get rid of Linux, since at the very least, there is lots of demand for it from customers, and not much incentive to drop it, and if anything, if things continue as they have been, there might be even more incentive to keep it. I think if they were to ever get blacklisted from the project, they'll likely just maintain their own downstream forks, as they already do. Normally, you're contributing upstream [assuming capitalism and you're a business] primarily to make your life a little easier -- there is a lot of churn in Linux, and maintaining a massive patchset, custom drivers, or whatever else will inevitably mean you're going to spend a decent bit of time dealing with breaking changes, whereas if it's upstreamed, the rest of the kernel developers will generally try to avoid randomly breaking builds of entire subsystems. There are plenty of companies that make a killing off downstream stable kernels -- e.g., Red Hat, SuSE, Oracle, etc. Given the hostility towards China right now, I'm sure there is demand for domestic enterprise/government Linux; ALT Linux and Astra Linux both have likely more difficult to maintain distros than most, since they have non-upstreamed support for not minor vendor-specific drivers and platforms but also entire architectures, like MCST's Elbrus 2000, etc.
Linux should aim to become more independent, and relocate their jurisdiction to Switzerland for example. It is unaccetable that especially the US has any influence on how the Linux kernel is developed. Other governments like China's but also in Europe want to adopt Linux to become more independent from US made commercial software after all.
You mean Switzerland who just announced complete embargo on Russia? That being said, EU has exactly the same sanctions and this would have been enforced just as well.
If you use US technology, you're subject to their export laws, otherwise you don't get to use their technology. Simple as. Same is true for any other country. Besides, Switzerland along with the rest of Europe have also slapped equivalent sanctions on Russia so that's not going to be a solution.
@@MiukuMacthe point still stands. While Linux Foundation is based in a Western country, there will be certain bias, like what just happened now. This is unacceptable for FOSS standards. Same goes if Linux Foundation was operating under Russian or Chinese jurisdiction.
@@MrAlexFortis Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact*, whose negotiations started after England and France didn't agreed to an anti-fascist alliance and failed to react after the invasion of Czechoslovakia. The Soviet goverment seemed as their best interest to sign a non-aggresion pact with Germany, since they already had a battle front in the east with the japanese troops that arrived via Manchuria. The Soviet invasion of Poland... yeah no that was just bad.. The official explanaiton given by Stalin is that the partition of Poland was made to protect ethnic slavs in the eastern region but, yeah, it was just an expansionist move.
As someone from a country that is neutral in this situation, to me it paints a picture that Linux is or can be easily controlled by US and is not as open, or secure against: well... US, as I thought it was... I will still keep using Linux and promote it to my Windows user friends. But this situation, I will not forget!
This is true of literally any kind of company or technology, any country can choose to sanction the involvement of individuals or companies of another country. There are two choices - you ditch the sanctioned entities, or you ditch the country that's placing the sanctions (or the sanctioned entity can stop doing what caused it to be sanctioned in the first place). Since the US is far more valuable to them than Russia, it was an obvious choice to make.
@@ricequackers Any country can do it, but only US have done it. THe same with nukes - many countries can use them, but only USA did. I think there's some interesting trend here. Not sure these days who in their right mind will trust anything US does or hosts.
@@ricequackersVery well said. If the US crosses an unreasonable line there shouldn't be any reason the Linux foundation doesn't ignore them and if crack downs happen operate from somewhere else.
once again, for all the slow kids in the back of the bus - The affected developers simply lost their priviledged status of being able to send patches straight to the kernel without it having to be sponsored or reviewed. They are not being alienated and they can still contribute. Instead of being trusted implicitly, their contributions will be reviewed to make sure that there is no trojan being injected. This is a completely reasonable safety measure in trying to mitigate potential dangers of developers who might be compromised due to their location and life situation where they can be forced by their own authoritarian government to do something nefarious. It doesn't even affect all Russians, but those that are specifically working for/with companies that are on the international sanctions list, as in potential threat already. Next time try actually watching the video and paying attention to nuance before knee-jerk reacting with nonsense.
Getting a Steamdeck on sale was what convinced me that Linux is finally at a point where I can daily drive it. I switched to Linux on all my home machines and haven't looked back. F U Windows.
It's not just abiding by the law of the country you are resident in, you also have to abide by the law of any country your product or service are available in or you have to withdraw your product or service. Demonstrated recently by X's ban in Brazil despite Elon Musk not being resident in Brazil but he still eventually respected Brazilian law.
No one said it was positive. It was just legal. You don’t follow the law, you’re out. That’s the same everywhere, for companies you like and companies you don’t like
This is getting stupid, I thought the idea behind FOSS that we all could set aside our differences and work on something that benefitted us all. Oh how naive I was :(
@@BeefIngot "Nothing in life is apolitical. Politics is important and affects everything." Impossible for a project created globally. Well, that dream is gone now.
There is no good way of dropping maintainers based on their nationality. Russians face tons of wordly discrimination for a while now for the simple fact that these people were born in russua and still dare to try to live there. Surprised I am somewhat of the minority here .. seeing a huge issue with that mentality. And open source just suddenly became much less open .. and also start to discriminate. Would be interesting to see what would happen if finnland were to get sanctioned for whatever... No matter how I look at this, it is not right. No matter what kind of bungled up justification is used.
They didn't ban Russians from contributing, they revoked the maintainer status of specific developers affiliated with Russian companies under sanction. Did you not watch the video?
Yeah very weird. Xenophobia is seemingly okay if done against specific people I guess. By their stupid logic, all american maintainers should get the same treatment given that America has been involved in far more and much deadlier wars and has a history of spying, just like Russia.
@RunePonyRamblings i did. "Companies" is just an excuse. Non of the maintainers were working for Russian companies, as the last people contributing patches were MCST and Baikal Electronics and they were banned two years back. Why did they wait all this time to suddenly "discover" kernel maintainers "were working with russian companies"? In fact from Linus response it had a personal quality to it and I am inclined to believe "sanctions" was merely the justification.
@@AndRei-yc3ti then why weren't they removed two years ago when the war started? Seems weird to enact hyper-specific angry retribution two years after the event that would've triggered it. Occam's razor suggests the official explanation is accurate and somebody in legal made the call.
So much for free and open source I guess. If they are to abide by the laws of the tyrannical governments of these world, there is no such thing as free and open source. I thought it is driven by values, not arbitrary laws of some countries. A lot of countries have been illegally invading, infact none more than the US itself.
Even funnier, it won't even deal any damage on Russian CPU architecture maintainers. They've been banned from pushing code to mainline kernel way back in 2021.
As a Russian, I have always defended and promoted that we all commit to the common Linux kernel and not be sprayed on our own projects (some believe that it is necessary to have our own Linux kernel). Now I do not know how much Open Source is the same as it was once, namely Linux. For me, he has always been a bulwark of open-mindedness in terms of politics. Although now he is surrounded by more and more controversies. I hope these are temporary problems. I would have understood this decision if my compatriots had brought the politics into development, but they did not. In the past, a patch from developers for the Russian Baikal ARM processor has already been rejected. I wonder what Stallman thinks about this
Seriously? If I look at Linus the past 20 years, he was always a nutcase to be honest. All Russian developers should leave the LF or any western fork and concentrate on other projects. The best would be creating their of Linux branch for Russia.
@@Stinktierchen we already have our own secure kernels and a few distributions for a long time(Alt Linux, Astra Linux, Red OS and so on). But we always tried to send patches to the upstream
linux kernel dropping russian devs but keeping israeli devs shows this is not about standing up for justice but simply standing down to washington. also, to assume every citizen of a country should be punished for the sins of its government is laughably insane.
I'm I the only one who have no problems with snap or what? Who else loves to use both Snap and Flatpak on the same machine? I don't care as soon as my problem is solved rather using snap or flatpak or even dnf or apt or whatever. I know the snap is a little bit slow but I don't care, I use both. (Fedora & Ubuntu lts)
I'm fine with snaps. I find the speed they open at is indistinguishable for the deb equivalents. I don't care what the first time opening speed is , it happens once by definition
Snaps are sloooowwww. Uninstalled Discord snap, and installed from rpm, works a lot faster now. Also uninstalled Postman snap, and installed tar.gz version. Postman now feels a lot faster. I have used Ubuntu and Fedora, and snaps are slower in both.
I use both snaps and flatpaks. My machine is pretty good, i have an intel i7-11700. I don't see snaps begin slower than flatpaks, i guess it is because snaps are usually compressed (as far as i know), so if your cpu is fast at compressing-decompressing files you won't see any slowdown at all. I have used the zig lang, eclipse ide and jetbrains rider ide as snaps.
Plasma 6 removes a lot of features that fits the deck _perfectly._ I'm glad that they stick with 5.27. Just some of the removed features: * Window shading * Mouse gestures * Desktop grid * Plasma drawer
Oy vey, Don't be antisemitic, Only THEY can create backdoors in your kernal (They swear its only to see if you're saying the right things about [CURRENT EVENT])
i really think that knoledge has been good when is decentraliced, seeing the linux project get politiced can do a lot of harm to the proyect in the future. Not now, but the separation between west and east tecnology will get wost and that is not something good. the russian people is not the russian goverment. Generalization is a big problem embeded in western culture
Guess where this quote comes from: "The bearer of sovereignty and the sole source of power in the Russian Federation shall be its multinational people. The people shall exercise its power directly, as well as through State government bodies and local self-government bodies."
@@BlackGoatUK i understand, but isolating russia and now china will reduce the oportunities of peacefull cooperation like the ISS in the future, those kind of problems start with small movements like this. and then gradually escalate to something beyond hate towards eachother. international law has been a joke ever since it was created, the US has violated it dosens of times for national security purpuses
Linus is being a child imo those devs have nothing to do with any sanctions or russian finnish aggression, if they are contributing to the kernel then be grateful and take the code
I think so too, not all Russians support Putin and work for companies associated with him. Linus's contribution to the modern kernel is insignificant to make such discrediting statements. The code has long been supported by the community around the world. They simply undermine trust in the project and provoke people to forks.
@@swh77 As far as I know, they are working on MIPS processors. And their developments can be useful to others. One way or another, nothing prevents companies like Baikal Electronics from simply forking and applying their commits to them. What does such behavior give to the community, except disagreements?
Linus just doesn't have a filter. His post has two parts. One being people spamming his inbox and two hinting on the real reason why the maintainers where removed.
Linus came off so poorly in this. LF came off very poorly as well but Linus could have chosen to keep it professional and made it personal to himself. Most disappointing of all it is a reminder of just how easily coerced most are (cannot say all as fails to appreciate the one's who give up so much not to be) so easily coerced when they have something to lose. In this case, LF and funding (that pays the wages of the lawyers advising them).
@@user-ld9fi1xd2v he needs to be as professional as possible as Linux is a world wide project. He needs to repress his own political thoughts. It's just a shame that his emotion controls how he decides. You don't know what it means to be a professional huh?
@@cmaxz817 I know what it means to be a professional. He is professional enough to support getting rid of dangers that could be brought to Linux kernel by russians. Isn't it professional?
4:43 I agree. As the sanctions should have applied long ago against many of the NATO countries (first of all the US) because of their transgressions against Serbia, Libia, Iraq, Afghanisthan, Syria. Just to name a few victims from the past few years (in the case of Serbia, 1990s)...
Comparing Flatpak and Snaps on anything different than user space (as in unprivileged) stuff does not make any sense, because Flatpak was never meant or designed to do anything else
More or less yes, because Linux already had a lack of developers. But also the trust in the organization is gone. If Linus kicked Russians for his own will, he could do the same with other developers.
You lose a lot of cool desktop widgets when moving from Plasma 5 to 6, because some of them have simply not been ported by their author. If Valve doesn't plan to move the desktop to Wayland for the lifetime of the first Steam Deck, then sticking with a consistent desktop experience is not such a bad ideal. Fancy Clock, oh how I miss you.
I don't really get the part about snaps getting drivers, if they are userspace drivers, sure, no problem, but how they can ship kernel drivers if there is not a stable ABI to work with? That is the point of dkms, to build a module for a specific kernel version having the header files available
i wonder if theres even an escape anymore from big tech and AI when even your bloody screen now spies on you or your TV and next your mousepad, ur computer case and your doorhandles.......
Thank you for your reporting. I had seen RUclips posts in my stream mentioning the removal of the Russian maintainers, but they were from channels I do not know. I didn't want to get caught up in some sensationalist kerfuffle that eventually doesn't pan out, so my strategy is that I have a few channels that I trust and that I will just wait to hear if they report on it. Today, you did report on it. To me, your are a trustworthy source and have never contradicted that assessment. Keep up the good work!
The linux foundation should list the countries that it's ok to invade, it would simplify the things a bit. For now it looks like Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Palest ine, Vietnam, Cambodia, Cuba, Panama, Grenada and Haiti are OK to invade.
I'm all fore stopping Russia, even if they break the laws in a country that's not in Russia. At the moment... Welcome to Scandivia! Latvia, Lithuania, and the list goes on. We live close to the big bear, France seems to be far away... Don't be an arse, respect to the Finnish Linux kernal. Or shoud I say it's "Eastern Sweden" kernal? Let Linux run free as it is. You build your own! With no French in it!
Because Nick is adverstising Tuxedo in every video, I'm considering posting the same question about them under every video: When do we get fully supported fingerprint readers in Tuxedo laptops?
I saw they answered that question on your comment on the latest laptop review :) The gist of it is: it’s currently insecure on Linux, the library behind it apparently triggers a lot of false positives, meaning sometimes someone can unlock your computer even if it’s not you, and they’d rather not provide that kind of « false sense of security » for now.
Did they share any evidence for the connection of these specific people with any sanctioned companies? Did they explain exactly who and how decided whether a maintainer is employed by a sanctioned company? This removal looks more like a purge of everyone with .ru emails, plus one guy with (at least) a prior connection to Baikal - who later claimed he had been a volunteer for a year by that moment. Additionally, the code from those people lives on in the kernel. Are their names mentioned in CREDITS?
Archlinux is always normal...also blender Those projects are the best and dont give any take outside of the project Even they mostly dont celebrate anything external or not needed They are jems...wish them luck
As said - it's called - systemic racism. And Linus better work on fixing library fragmentation, format and incompatibility. 2024 and Linux still doesn't have API succession and any even direct compatibility. Even apps compiled for different distros in same generations often not compatible with each other. Let all any older software. Try to run a 32-bit app compiled for Linux some 30 years. Even if you have 32-bit libraries, there is near 100% probability that it wouldn't work. Try to run 32-bit app compiled for Windows 30 years ago and there is near 100% probability that it would run.
@@cameronbosch1213 Mess is a million different versions of libraries that are not compatible with each other. Mess is a lack of API succession. Mess is when you constantly rename functions and rearrange arguments. Mess is when you need a library of right version even to compile an executable that depends on it.
@@elksalmon84 That's one reason why I think image based Linux distros and flatpaks could seriously help with this problem. Because they bundle the dependencies in a way where there's no dependency hell, I think this problem will be a lot better soon.
Flatpak literally ships both mesa and nvidia drivers for flatpak apps to use, although they do depend on kernel modules being already present. So I guess if npu driver is userspace only, it can be shipped as flatpak, but it will only be available to flatpak apps
@@TheLinuxEXP flatpak's containerized "distro"/runtime has to have all the libraries required for the apps to run so it has its own complete copy of mesa for steam to work for instance. Also it's actually possible to run unstable mesa version in flatpak in case it has some fixes for a new game you're trying to play that has issues with current drivers, while host still has older mesa, and it all works great
SNAPs and to a lesser degree RPMs have always been the goto on the server side for driver maintenance for stuff not directly in the kernel. Theres a reason why Snaps have the hold they do in linux, this is it. Flatpak and the like only address the needs of the end-user and developers who target end-user facing software. But for anyone else targeting server, enterprise or even just middleware the world has preferred Snaps then RPMs (cuz redhat and the like) and then to lot lesser extent debian (not because theyre less in usage, but more due to the fact those using debian are less ikely to ship custom drivers and system/middleware level modifiers)
Best if snap focused on back end stuff like driver and server, and Flatpak on applications. Because snaps where designed for servers, so forcing them in to apps is not wise, bet this immutable Ubntu will be shit.
Inmutability is what game devs want to make games work on Linux because it lets you validate your Linux install to make sure it doesn't have any cheats
Gnome should maybe add a new screencapture API since they dont seem to like 3rd party tools touching the ones that do this for gnome internal tools. Still pisses me off
9:00 I like how Snaps don't need to be sandboxed. I always install VSCode as a snap on every distro I use because it's a non-sandboxed snap. Thanks to that I don't deal with the weird sandbox bugs you see on the flatpak version and I can modify any file on my system.
Well to be fair, Finland was invaded once (and only after it refused a peaceful resolution to things beforehand) and then participated in the Siege of Leningrad were millions starved. So Linus, really needs to get off his high horse and go read history as he suggests other do.
actually true. And, the USSR was offering Finland a trade in territories. It was actually offering a pretty good deal, but those lamds were needed for security reasons. And yes, Finland blocked the Northern route into Leningrad and blocked all supplies into the city forcing the "Highway of Life" to occur over the frozen Lake Ladoga. But that was hardly enough leading to mass starvation
@@AndRei-yc3ti False. You have been spreading misinformation all over this comment section, and your agenda is obvious. People like you are exactly who Linus was referring to.
Bro… No one is trying to justify what happend in Leningrad. Fact is that the USSR invaded Finland once and now Russia is threatening to invade Finland once again…
Unpleasant, understandable reason to get a ban for Russian developers for "security" reasons. But there is no need to shout about hatred towards Russia. Linus could have remained neutral, but instead he decided to divide the open resource for questionable reasons
And the whole copyleft didn't do the same thing? I don't hate Russian citizens inherently (apart from Putin, although I'm not Linus Torvalds himself), but it's unfortunately the way things have to be for now given it's not just the US banning Russian companies...
Seden didn't invade Finland as Finland was part of Sweden for like 800 years. And Linus himself is a Swede . Torvalds is not Finnish last name, it is Swedish last name.
@@nis4953hey, you've got a typo. For how many countries did the material conditions improve by industrialising actions of USSR after having been exploited and abandoned by the backwater agricultural Russian Empire?
I'm not going to lie; the way he said it wasn't very good. But politics _do_ happen in open source. Heck, the idea of copyleft was political to begin with!
Politics are everywhere, if You liked it or not. There was already malware code put inside SSH server by developer, so same thing can happen with any other software - doesn't matter if open source or not.
Since this action was the results of sanctions against Russia, it will depend on the US government to also impose sanctions against Israel. But considering how the US basically allows Israel to do whatever they want, no matter how atrocious, this unfortunately is unlikely to happen in the near future. Of course the Linux Foundation could do so out of their own moral values, which would be commendable, but also unlikely if you ask me.
What about everything the U.S and any other country has done in the psat? The argument of the whats happing now is acceptable but the citation of what finland soffered from russia in the past isn't.
As much as I abhor people not related to a government caught in the crossfire of the geopolitical issues, in Russia, if you don't follow Kremlin's orders (say to commit a backdoor to kernel - e.g. recent xz project backdoor from a long time contributor), a surprise jumping session from the nearest window shall be arranged for you; so this is as much of a favor to those maintainers as it is to kernel users.
People seem to be talking quite a lot about the Russia-Finland-Nazi relations, forgetting that it was the Russian Empire that gave us independence, the later USSR had an agreement with Nazis at the beginning of the war, and later after the Nazis betrayed USSR and the Winter-war happened, we joined with Nazis in the continuation war. Meanwhile the USSR was putting millions of their own citizens in gulags rising their genocide kill count to the same level as the Nazis. 2 nations doing the same wrong doesn't make the other right. Forget that, everyone sucked in WW2, the Allies took note of Nazi tactics and began bombing civilian structures, and later the nuclear bombs were dropped.,.,,.,,.
The efforts to equate USSR and Nazi Germany never fail to amaze me. The USSR was the last country to make a non-agression pact with Germany after everyone else in Europe. The fact that they had a spheres of influence agreement is irrelevant considering that Polish state had already fallen by the time USSR came weeks later. This ended up saving the population of that territory from the Holocaust.
> we joined with Nazis in the continuation war That is a civil way to put it, but really invading Russia and the sieging of a Russian city for, 2 years, 4 months, 2 weeks and 5 days, leading to the death of over a million civilians, goes a little further than just tagging along. Yes, we can all point fingers, and many do. And before you ask, no, I am not Russian myself, But I do read history as it is meant to be read, With facts and not opinions. There is a reason that part of the truce with Finland was its neutrality in perpetuity which seems to have gone out the window, without a national consultation or referendum, I might add. It is just going to end up bankrupting Finland as it struggles to keep funding the MICC and those American oligarch hoodlums, also known as NATO. Oh well....
I mean I have a problem with these decisions being taken using arguments that shouldn't be used in these situations that's childish Like man most people that are alive right now were born after those events and can't really do anything to change their governments Would have been understandable if they just said that they just had to follow US laws so that the Linux kernel doesn't get forbidden in the US or something but blocking maintainers that worked on the project for years and saying it was for Finland as if those said maintainers convinced the tsars and Stalin to be that way is just disrespectful to their work and isn't how contradicts the fact that foss is just about working together on a project Sorry very long answer here
Manners make the man, and projects. Unfortunately, Linux will recede into Linus' personal project in the US and will likely never gain global credibility again.
14:25 Nice play on words in the title for the Steam Deck. Lately, I've been yearning for the playfulness like this in your videos. Still, no matter what, love your content!
Somehow I was unsubscribed from this channel. I always wonder if there’s some kind algorithm that does this, or if people at RUclips are just randomly doing it.
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Finland wouldn't exist as a nation at all without being granted soverignty by Russia. The Russians are defenders of liberty and democracy, and Finland -- though I've had very close Finnish friends whom I love - is now under UK OCCUPATION and thus part of a Global Gestapo project. This is pure RACISM and propaganda by violent forces such as the CIA/MI6 and their pawns.
Brodie Robertson has a video dedicated to the Malibal debacle. "The person who wrote all of these account seems a bit unhinged" is quite the magnanimous statement after reading their answer.
Well, I wouldn’t want them to sue me for outright insulting them, sounds like something they would do
@@TheLinuxEXPOne of the requirements for something to be found to be defamation requires the statement to be knowingly misleading. In this case, it isn't.
something not meeting the legal definition of defamation doesn't mean they can't try to sue you. and if they do, you'll still have to get a lawyer and possibly show up to court to prove that you're right
@@TheLinuxEXP I also think that agitating them is not wise. In all seriousness let's all agree that they need professional help and an opportunity for redemption.
@yukijoou Still, it's wasting _their_ time and money, as well as making them look like a fool. None of that is good for them.
Linus Torvalds is actually a Reddit moderator
Linux Foundation doesn't drop Russian maintanters, they drop access for only few developers, who are connected with Russian commercial companies, these developers can still take a part in development, but decisions aren't dependent from them
That’s exactly what I said in the video, yes
@TheLinuxEXP Yeah, I know, I wrote it because some users'll definitely write negative comments before watching this video, I have a knowledge about the situation with Russian Linux segment and there's lots of negative comments about this situation, especially on OpenNet. And thank you for providing details!
@@Valve_link And what about Israhelli maintainers are they exempt from sanctions?
@@TheLinuxEXP but the caption says otherwise....
@@wassim-akkari Chews are a protected class that can do no wrong, apparently
People who "hate" Nvidia because they are Linux users are stupid anyway. If anything the recent push for better Linux support should be encouraged, not met with anger. Everyone on Linux benefits if Nvidia ramps up support for the platform. Only then we will see it flourish and users will then have more choice, which is always a plus in my book!
Spot on
How about hating Nvidia for cutting of all Russian users which are most of GPU users in Russia? It doesn't affect me and it's easily worked around but still, shows what they really think about free software community.
@@PredatoryQQmber I dont know anything about that and I personally would assume this is an order from the US government, kind of like an embargo, similar to android for Huawei. If this is true I understand that it sucks for Russian Nvidia customers but those are the consequences of committing crimes you know, thats why politicians usually act reserved, so none of the citizen have to endure such things. This definitely is far beyond the scope of my comment though....
I completely agree, sadly there are some AMD worshippers that will always hate in NVIDIA for no reason
Great...so today I find out as a 27+ year Linux user that this global free and open source software is a) at the behest of US foreign policy whims b) senior developers are polluting the ethic of "shut up and code" with political activism. Tragic.
Every developer is free to fork an open source project and operate it under the regulation of his own country. Redhat for one has always been US, Suse German, Mandrake/Mandriva was French, etc
Open source is not about not following laws of any country. It is about sharing. Nothing stop a Russian developer to code on his own fork of the kernel. No GPL freedom was removed from him.
Don't confuse "freedom" the concept with "the open source freedoms" which are specific freedoms. Nothing to do with not following rules. There were already a lot of share the code without abiding with the law before the GPL. GPL is about sharing while abiding to the law. It has always been about being part of the system.
The same the system give you any freedoms and not others. And there are multiple systems. In China, you are not authorized to tell the Xi looks like Winnie the Pig. In France, you have this freedom. In France, you don"t have the right to defend yourself except if it is certain the attacker would have killed you (which is quite complex and always requires a judge, even policeman have to go to the judge when they kill a criminal on duty - well in France you have to call the police and not defend yourself but when you call them they tell that unless you are already injured there is nothing to justify them to come, so in short unless the attacker already attacked you and if you are lucky he did not kill you, you can go to the police to complain and they will write that you were attacked on a paper... but unless you know identity of the attacker they can do nothing more than write that you were attacked. In China, everyone is recorded all the time, so you have the freedom that your attacker will be identified. Different freedoms. And I even believe that not everything is recorded and that triads still do their stuff in China. But a random aggressor might be less common.
Huawei forked Android and made their own OS based on that. The GPL code is not bound by the country regulations. The team that lead the development is another story and is obviously bound by their own regulation and personal history. We are not robots.
@@neodonkey You are just waking up to laws existing as if this hadn't always been the case?
When you maintain a global product that gets contributions from almost every country in the world, you should comply to laws in the most open and forward manner. Linux's first-in-command and second-in-command failed to do that, and that's a pity. Glad that sombody in the core team had enough sense to make a thorough public statement.
Comply to laws == comply to US laws?
That Malibal guy sounds like a fun person to be around.
Yeah, a fungi! 😂
Seriously though, he seems like the _real_ scammer!
Let's organise a party with the btcachefs guy, results would be fun
"You've made an enemy for life!"
Free/open source software was the last fairy tale I believed in, after I believed in Santa Clause, trustful friendship, eternal love, human rights and democracy. I've got nothing left now.
Open source is mean to be democratic, from the people for the people. A place where no matter your politics or point of view, we all work together. Alienating a certain group means open source is no longer open. It’s a step backwards
welcome to the real world where a lot of countries even see human rights as optional.
They simply lost their priviledged status of being able to send patches straight to the kernel without it having to be sponsored or reviewed. They are not being alienated and they can still contribute. This is a completely reasonable safety measure in trying to mitigate potential dangers of developers who might be compromised due to their location and life situation where they can be forced by their own authoritarian government to do something nefarious. Next time try actually watching the video and paying attention to nuance before knee-jerk reacting with nonsense.
@@DJDocsVideosLike Israel?
@@RandomDeforge Like the USA?
@@RandomDeforge You're forgetting that it is usually US triple letter agencies that usually inject backdoors in Windows and who would do it with Linux if their code wouldn't be reviewed. One US university actually tried that and as a result it was baned from contributing to Linux.
Given the history I recall, I'd be more afraid of American backdoors than Russian ones.
Isn't the point of the internet and FOSS that it doesn't matter who you are what you do where you are from you can do something, be part of a community?
well nothing is stopping russians from making their own free and open source alternative from forking the linux kernel?
@@mevgayming China and Russia already did it but it marks a dangerous precedent.
The goal of the Linux foundation was unity but at this pace, we will have different forks, and none of them collaborate. Finally, Linux will turn private.
@@eng3d the goal of the linux foundation was to advocate for the development and maintenance of the linux kernel. nowhere in there did it mention allowing genocidal contractors to work for it
@@mevgayming what an oxymoron. There is no such thing as "their" free and open source software. All FOSS is "ours".
@@mevgayming Why forking if Linux kernel is free? Or is it? It sets a dangerous precedent and now you cannot guarantee that political forces are not influencing decisions for which patch should be accepted by core Linux maintainers including Linus. It seems to me the Linux is not free anymore.
Expect to be banned by malibal along with your entire country / state 😂
Hahaha French people can thank me later
Now they need to do the rest of the U.S.! 😂
@@TheLinuxEXPcimer mec
Your comment about how it’s unfortunate that all regimes are not treated equally was so based
Everyone knows why though. If Linux is largely backed by western/US companies, the US gets to decide who is to be banned and who's fine, which is why everyone in the west is zombified to hate Russia, yet abide by whatever crap Israel comes up with.
The response to the removal of the maintainers, especially on reddit and phoronix was extremely disheartening. They spoke of these people, some of whom have been contributing for decades, as if they were injecting malware into the kernel, which is completely absurd. Linus acted like an overgrown child, but that's pretty much on brand for him. This decision harms everyone, even if you don't like Russia it sends a terrible precedent, that governments can just strongarm this project and get their way.
I totally was shocked two, knowing that Reddit is full of dog sh*t, but for Phoronix was surprised, also most other sites too. For me the outcome is that generally the people around Linux kernel share the same sentiments as LF and Torvalds. That's a big screw-up already, because there're many more people not directly involved in the kernel, but observing and reacting to what drives the people there were supposed to trust mostly in first place.
For me this is the biggest punch in the face of the community so far and opening that Pandora box will be devastating.
I completely agree
I love the peculiar wording here, they weren't strong armed anymore than what Raytheon was "strong armed" because they have to comply with sanctions, but please continue spreading bad faith.
Even if they must remove devs to comply with laws they should have done it with the respect to these devs and their work. At least to say that they are greatful for years of contribution and they are sorry to be parting with them due to such and such reason. Instead, that little history lesson is absolutely childish.
that's what James wrote - that they'll try to leave a note with the names of contributors in it.
unfortunately, I can't say the same about Linus
Linus also said that he did for Finland. Apparently, he remembered the history of Finland and how Finland fought against Russia when Finland sided with the nazis.
I actually lost all respect for Torvalds. Can't stand stupid.
@@eng3d And who did Soviet Union sided with when they attacked Poland? And why did Findland side with Germany?
@@igordasunddas3377 looking in the mirror must be hard for you.
As a Texan, I fully approve of his banning us.
Thank you for preemptively protecting the citizens of Texas from dealing with your company.
Never heard of him before this, and hopefully never will again.
Lost my respect for Trovalds after those unhinged comments. That's no way of responding to criticism or people asking valid questions.
He lost my respect as soon as I first learned who he is when I was like a teenager and this only cemented it further.
I mean he has had a long history of foot-n-mouth. Why is this any different?
Tbh Linus torvald made the issue worse by being a jerk. Not everyone who complaint about something is Russian troll. I am not even russian and i was told I'm russian bot and I supposedly have Ukrainian blood in my hand because i just asked why those maintainers were removed.
having any nuance in opinion on the issue of Russia seems to cause you to be labeled a bot these days, its very tiresome
I am Ukrainian, but not zombified into hating Russia and loving the west when it's clear, that the US needs a war to rid itself of a crazy amount of debt they'll otherwise never be able to repay. But even though I was born in Ukraine (luckily a German Citizen for many years now), I am still labeled a Russian bot. Can't cure those stupid I guess.
In all fairness, nothing Linus said in that situation makes him jerk. He didn't discriminate anyone and his response wasn't unethical.
@@MrAlexFortisLinus bot
no the are even bigger fools.
When Huawei will be banned from contributing to Linux Kernel ? Arent they under sanctions? Huawei is among top five contributors to linux kernel development.
They shouldnt be banned, they should leave and drop the west. Without all the eastern coders Linux will dwell in a gutter. I hope Russians and Chinese coders (and Indian, and all from the not western countries) will fork and create their own Linux branch completely. Lets see who will habe a better Linux after that. I kind of think I know who.
Huawei now have their own kernel for their phones. They have finally moved away from linux.
@@normieeliminator they didn't move away from Linux. They produce and develop many things , not only phones. And I just checked the latest statistics for last four kernel releases of this year and Huawei is among the top contributors , they contributed from 2 to 4 % of changes.
@@normieeliminator Huawei is one of the largest contributors to the kernel by volume of patches; they do far more than just phones and other consumer electronics -- e.g., enterprise servers and, the thing the United States loved to scream about the most, networking equiment and various things for 4G/5G cellular infrastructure.
I don't think they'll likely ever fully get rid of Linux, since at the very least, there is lots of demand for it from customers, and not much incentive to drop it, and if anything, if things continue as they have been, there might be even more incentive to keep it. I think if they were to ever get blacklisted from the project, they'll likely just maintain their own downstream forks, as they already do.
Normally, you're contributing upstream [assuming capitalism and you're a business] primarily to make your life a little easier -- there is a lot of churn in Linux, and maintaining a massive patchset, custom drivers, or whatever else will inevitably mean you're going to spend a decent bit of time dealing with breaking changes, whereas if it's upstreamed, the rest of the kernel developers will generally try to avoid randomly breaking builds of entire subsystems. There are plenty of companies that make a killing off downstream stable kernels -- e.g., Red Hat, SuSE, Oracle, etc. Given the hostility towards China right now, I'm sure there is demand for domestic enterprise/government Linux; ALT Linux and Astra Linux both have likely more difficult to maintain distros than most, since they have non-upstreamed support for not minor vendor-specific drivers and platforms but also entire architectures, like MCST's Elbrus 2000, etc.
Linux should aim to become more independent, and relocate their jurisdiction to Switzerland for example.
It is unaccetable that especially the US has any influence on how the Linux kernel is developed. Other governments like China's but also in Europe want to adopt Linux to become more independent from US made commercial software after all.
You mean Switzerland who just announced complete embargo on Russia?
That being said, EU has exactly the same sanctions and this would have been enforced just as well.
If you use US technology, you're subject to their export laws, otherwise you don't get to use their technology. Simple as. Same is true for any other country. Besides, Switzerland along with the rest of Europe have also slapped equivalent sanctions on Russia so that's not going to be a solution.
@@MiukuMacthe point still stands. While Linux Foundation is based in a Western country, there will be certain bias, like what just happened now. This is unacceptable for FOSS standards. Same goes if Linux Foundation was operating under Russian or Chinese jurisdiction.
That's Stallman's ideal but Linus was always a company boy.
Not Switzerland. Türkiye.
I guess the saying "Never ask a Finn what side they were on in WWII" also applies to Linus.
Never ask soviet union who was their ally in 1939-1941 and how ussr broke molot-ribbentrop pact.
@@MrAlexFortis Never ask Poland (1934), G. Britain (1938), France (1938), Lithuania (1939), Latvia (1939), Turkey (1941) about similar pacts.
@@MrAlexFortis Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact*, whose negotiations started after England and France didn't agreed to an anti-fascist alliance and failed to react after the invasion of Czechoslovakia. The Soviet goverment seemed as their best interest to sign a non-aggresion pact with Germany, since they already had a battle front in the east with the japanese troops that arrived via Manchuria.
The Soviet invasion of Poland... yeah no that was just bad.. The official explanaiton given by Stalin is that the partition of Poland was made to protect ethnic slavs in the eastern region but, yeah, it was just an expansionist move.
@@MrAlexFortisnever ask what the US did in Mŷ Lâi or Ukraine in Vuhledar and Bakhmut
@@Michael20545 guess what, not a single of this pact had secret protocols that agreed on cooperation in invation into other countries.
As someone from a country that is neutral in this situation, to me it paints a picture that Linux is or can be easily controlled by US and is not as open, or secure against: well... US, as I thought it was... I will still keep using Linux and promote it to my Windows user friends. But this situation, I will not forget!
This is true of literally any kind of company or technology, any country can choose to sanction the involvement of individuals or companies of another country. There are two choices - you ditch the sanctioned entities, or you ditch the country that's placing the sanctions (or the sanctioned entity can stop doing what caused it to be sanctioned in the first place).
Since the US is far more valuable to them than Russia, it was an obvious choice to make.
@@ricequackers Any country can do it, but only US have done it. THe same with nukes - many countries can use them, but only USA did. I think there's some interesting trend here. Not sure these days who in their right mind will trust anything US does or hosts.
@@ricequackersVery well said. If the US crosses an unreasonable line there shouldn't be any reason the Linux foundation doesn't ignore them and if crack downs happen operate from somewhere else.
I'm an American, and I agree with you. I'm so sick of my country trying to isolate Russia.
once again, for all the slow kids in the back of the bus -
The affected developers simply lost their priviledged status of being able to send patches straight to the kernel without it having to be sponsored or reviewed. They are not being alienated and they can still contribute. Instead of being trusted implicitly, their contributions will be reviewed to make sure that there is no trojan being injected. This is a completely reasonable safety measure in trying to mitigate potential dangers of developers who might be compromised due to their location and life situation where they can be forced by their own authoritarian government to do something nefarious. It doesn't even affect all Russians, but those that are specifically working for/with companies that are on the international sanctions list, as in potential threat already. Next time try actually watching the video and paying attention to nuance before knee-jerk reacting with nonsense.
Getting a Steamdeck on sale was what convinced me that Linux is finally at a point where I can daily drive it.
I switched to Linux on all my home machines and haven't looked back.
F U Windows.
That surely was a rough week for Linux and FOSS community
Isn't every week? It feels like every week another company drops this bootleg os from one thing or another.. 😂
It's not just abiding by the law of the country you are resident in, you also have to abide by the law of any country your product or service are available in or you have to withdraw your product or service. Demonstrated recently by X's ban in Brazil despite Elon Musk not being resident in Brazil but he still eventually respected Brazilian law.
Gotta love how western lefts paint Twitter ban in Brazil as something positive
No one said it was positive. It was just legal. You don’t follow the law, you’re out. That’s the same everywhere, for companies you like and companies you don’t like
This is getting stupid, I thought the idea behind FOSS that we all could set aside our differences and work on something that benefitted us all. Oh how naive I was :(
nothing remains away from the usa's hands once it gets profitable
Linux complying as not to get hit by US government is understandable.
The head of Linux taking a political stance, is not. FOSS should be apolitical.
Nothing in life is apolitical. Politics is important and affects everything.
The Linux Foundation itself spends money on inclusive language efforts, and was doing so long before the Ukraine war.
The only thing FOSS should do is to have open source code.
Don't be so naive . Everything is political nowadays.
@@BeefIngot "Nothing in life is apolitical. Politics is important and affects everything."
Impossible for a project created globally.
Well, that dream is gone now.
So the "open source" OS is now being controlled by the US. I thought Linux was independent unlike M$.
Always was
There is no good way of dropping maintainers based on their nationality.
Russians face tons of wordly discrimination for a while now for the simple fact that these people were born in russua and still dare to try to live there.
Surprised I am somewhat of the minority here .. seeing a huge issue with that mentality.
And open source just suddenly became much less open .. and also start to discriminate.
Would be interesting to see what would happen if finnland were to get sanctioned for whatever...
No matter how I look at this, it is not right. No matter what kind of bungled up justification is used.
They didn't ban Russians from contributing, they revoked the maintainer status of specific developers affiliated with Russian companies under sanction.
Did you not watch the video?
Yeah very weird. Xenophobia is seemingly okay if done against specific people I guess. By their stupid logic, all american maintainers should get the same treatment given that America has been involved in far more and much deadlier wars and has a history of spying, just like Russia.
@RunePonyRamblings i did. "Companies" is just an excuse. Non of the maintainers were working for Russian companies, as the last people contributing patches were MCST and Baikal Electronics and they were banned two years back. Why did they wait all this time to suddenly "discover" kernel maintainers "were working with russian companies"? In fact from Linus response it had a personal quality to it and I am inclined to believe "sanctions" was merely the justification.
@@RunePonyRamblings I see, but that should've been better clarified, and linus should've been made to apologize for such a badly worded response.
@@AndRei-yc3ti then why weren't they removed two years ago when the war started? Seems weird to enact hyper-specific angry retribution two years after the event that would've triggered it.
Occam's razor suggests the official explanation is accurate and somebody in legal made the call.
So much for free and open source I guess. If they are to abide by the laws of the tyrannical governments of these world, there is no such thing as free and open source. I thought it is driven by values, not arbitrary laws of some countries. A lot of countries have been illegally invading, infact none more than the US itself.
I'm not excusing all of the invading crap the US did throughout history, but it's not just the US who banned Russian companies...
Even funnier, it won't even deal any damage on Russian CPU architecture maintainers. They've been banned from pushing code to mainline kernel way back in 2021.
@@lmnkand most of those Russian CPUs are made in Taiwan Anyways
As a Russian, I have always defended and promoted that we all commit to the common Linux kernel and not be sprayed on our own projects (some believe that it is necessary to have our own Linux kernel).
Now I do not know how much Open Source is the same as it was once, namely Linux. For me, he has always been a bulwark of open-mindedness in terms of politics. Although now he is surrounded by more and more controversies. I hope these are temporary problems.
I would have understood this decision if my compatriots had brought the politics into development, but they did not.
In the past, a patch from developers for the Russian Baikal ARM processor has already been rejected.
I wonder what Stallman thinks about this
Seriously? If I look at Linus the past 20 years, he was always a nutcase to be honest. All Russian developers should leave the LF or any western fork and concentrate on other projects. The best would be creating their of Linux branch for Russia.
'd rather not know what Stallman thinks about this. He's just really weird-weird in real life.
@@TheTanglewire yeah. I think you're right :D
I think I mean him like the embodiment of open source
@@Stinktierchen we already have our own secure kernels and a few distributions for a long time(Alt Linux, Astra Linux, Red OS and so on). But we always tried to send patches to the upstream
I salute you, Russian man.
I will always love Russia, regardless of how nutcase the politicians are.
Stallman would never do that...
Linux has been tested, and failed.
Stallman is a child molester
MALIBU is a 12y old currently learning how to program. There is no way an adult would act like that and ban entire countries because of that.
linux kernel dropping russian devs but keeping israeli devs shows this is not about standing up for justice but simply standing down to washington.
also, to assume every citizen of a country should be punished for the sins of its government is laughably insane.
Israel is not on a US/EU sanction list so what`s your point?
@@DJDocsVideosIsn't the point is to be less "tyrannical" and even if that was true, isn't Most of the Middle east and Cuba too?
I'm I the only one who have no problems with snap or what? Who else loves to use both Snap and Flatpak on the same machine?
I don't care as soon as my problem is solved rather using snap or flatpak or even dnf or apt or whatever.
I know the snap is a little bit slow but I don't care, I use both.
(Fedora & Ubuntu lts)
For me snaps are not a little bit slower, but a LOT slower
I also run both Flatpaks and Snaps on my Debian system. Snaps are a tad slower but not enough to cuss and fuss about.
I'm fine with snaps.
I find the speed they open at is indistinguishable for the deb equivalents. I don't care what the first time opening speed is , it happens once by definition
Snaps are sloooowwww.
Uninstalled Discord snap, and installed from rpm, works a lot faster now.
Also uninstalled Postman snap, and installed tar.gz version. Postman now feels a lot faster.
I have used Ubuntu and Fedora, and snaps are slower in both.
I use both snaps and flatpaks. My machine is pretty good, i have an intel i7-11700. I don't see snaps begin slower than flatpaks, i guess it is because snaps are usually compressed (as far as i know), so if your cpu is fast at compressing-decompressing files you won't see any slowdown at all. I have used the zig lang, eclipse ide and jetbrains rider ide as snaps.
Plasma 6 removes a lot of features that fits the deck _perfectly._ I'm glad that they stick with 5.27.
Just some of the removed features:
* Window shading
* Mouse gestures
* Desktop grid
* Plasma drawer
What about Israhelli maintainers ? Ah wait they can't because they are the chosen people.
Oy vey, Don't be antisemitic, Only THEY can create backdoors in your kernal (They swear its only to see if you're saying the right things about [CURRENT EVENT])
with Linux developers being in the US, and the US' government relation to Israel, you can add 2 + 2 together..
Good for me, not for thee
Because Israel isn't sanctioned, at least not by any country relevant to the Linux Foundation.
In how many military actions has Israel acted as the initiator of the conflict?
i really think that knoledge has been good when is decentraliced, seeing the linux project get politiced can do a lot of harm to the proyect in the future. Not now, but the separation between west and east tecnology will get wost and that is not something good. the russian people is not the russian goverment. Generalization is a big problem embeded in western culture
Guess where this quote comes from:
"The bearer of sovereignty and the sole source of power in the Russian Federation shall be its multinational people. The people shall exercise its power directly, as well as through State government bodies and local self-government bodies."
@@BlackGoatUK i understand, but isolating russia and now china will reduce the oportunities of peacefull cooperation like the ISS in the future, those kind of problems start with small movements like this. and then gradually escalate to something beyond hate towards eachother.
international law has been a joke ever since it was created, the US has violated it dosens of times for national security purpuses
@@jhonrodriguez213 example of violations
@@BlackGoatUK Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan whole U.S supporrted Terrorist regimes in the Middle East for bringing "Democracy".
so the russian people have to kick out there government or get out of russia or accept that they are the "bad guys", That' how this game is played.
bad news about Russia and linux. We need those great programmers from Russia. This weakens linux.
I totally agree
Linus is being a child imo
those devs have nothing to do with any sanctions or russian finnish aggression, if they are contributing to the kernel then be grateful and take the code
I don't think we should be gratefull for their contribution to Baikal Electonics hardware support.
@@swh77 Are you sure that it's the only contribution they made?
I think so too, not all Russians support Putin and work for companies associated with him. Linus's contribution to the modern kernel is insignificant to make such discrediting statements. The code has long been supported by the community around the world. They simply undermine trust in the project and provoke people to forks.
@@swh77 As far as I know, they are working on MIPS processors. And their developments can be useful to others. One way or another, nothing prevents companies like Baikal Electronics from simply forking and applying their commits to them.
What does such behavior give to the community, except disagreements?
Linus just doesn't have a filter. His post has two parts. One being people spamming his inbox and two hinting on the real reason why the maintainers where removed.
I really like how most industries now want more drama and do random shite rather than actually improving products....lovely
Linus came off so poorly in this. LF came off very poorly as well but Linus could have chosen to keep it professional and made it personal to himself.
Most disappointing of all it is a reminder of just how easily coerced most are (cannot say all as fails to appreciate the one's who give up so much not to be) so easily coerced when they have something to lose. In this case, LF and funding (that pays the wages of the lawyers advising them).
Linus came as he had to. His Motherland lost lots of her sons (to say nothing about territories) due to russians. What did you expect him to say?
@@user-ld9fi1xd2v in a way it was unprofessional but I can totally understand his emotional reaction
@@user-ld9fi1xd2v he needs to be as professional as possible as Linux is a world wide project. He needs to repress his own political thoughts. It's just a shame that his emotion controls how he decides.
You don't know what it means to be a professional huh?
@@user-ld9fi1xd2v Soviet Union. And there was also the issue of Finland's collaboration with the Nazis.
@@cmaxz817 I know what it means to be a professional. He is professional enough to support getting rid of dangers that could be brought to Linux kernel by russians. Isn't it professional?
4:43 I agree. As the sanctions should have applied long ago against many of the NATO countries (first of all the US) because of their transgressions against Serbia, Libia, Iraq, Afghanisthan, Syria. Just to name a few victims from the past few years (in the case of Serbia, 1990s)...
As an American Citizen Constitutionalist, I am looking forward to installing and using the inevitable Russian fork.
It will probably end up being more secure as it wont have far left brainlet activists running it.
Ditto
Probably safer than western versions, as it isn't maintained by weirdos.
time to migrate to freebsd or openbsd maybe
what guarantees they're better from that perspective (political)
I don't think anybody is gonna stop you also don't forget NetBSD
Oh boy, the comments on this video are certainly... Something.
Also, the Malibal issue is a literally a giant "kick me" sign for the one guy running the company.
Also also, on my Steam Deck OLED, because Steam OS has yet to receive Plasma 6, I moved to Bazzite on it.
Yeah, a fair bit of brigading. But disinfo is common in our post-truth era, a lot of it misinformed or reactionary, some of it paid or simply hateful.
Comparing Flatpak and Snaps on anything different than user space (as in unprivileged) stuff does not make any sense, because Flatpak was never meant or designed to do anything else
Thank you for addressing the situation neutrally
no use of neutral stance in some things.
this is unexpected and a lot to take in, but will this affect Linux progression and development in the long run?
More or less yes, because Linux already had a lack of developers.
But also the trust in the organization is gone. If Linus kicked Russians for his own will, he could do the same with other developers.
Nope, as soon as Russia stops being stupid things can go back to normal.
@@eng3d I have news for you you could do that to anyone without even naming a reason it's his project.
14:23 DECKS OUT FOR HARAMBE
You lose a lot of cool desktop widgets when moving from Plasma 5 to 6, because some of them have simply not been ported by their author. If Valve doesn't plan to move the desktop to Wayland for the lifetime of the first Steam Deck, then sticking with a consistent desktop experience is not such a bad ideal. Fancy Clock, oh how I miss you.
Feed the RUclips algorithm with a comment. Great video. Thank you!
I don't really get the part about snaps getting drivers, if they are userspace drivers, sure, no problem, but how they can ship kernel drivers if there is not a stable ABI to work with? That is the point of dkms, to build a module for a specific kernel version having the header files available
Developers in Russia could use Kasm to work on the kernel as if they were based in the US.
why they should? Never heard of what self respect is?
Malibal went to the Matt Mullenweg School of Business
2:54 Sorry why did people have problems with that response? nothing he said was incorrect.
People mainly have problems with Linus' childish response
i wonder if theres even an escape anymore from big tech and AI when even your bloody screen now spies on you or your TV and next your mousepad, ur computer case and your doorhandles.......
It's like all the giant corpos took George Orwell's 1984 as an instruction manual.
Yes, Texas is like its own country. So is California, and Colorado in some ways.
In some instances, Florida is becoming that as well.
Nice. Any idea of when the beta drivers will enter production? My transition to Wayland by upgrading to Ubuntu 24.10 hasn't gone very well so far.
Thank you for your reporting. I had seen RUclips posts in my stream mentioning the removal of the Russian maintainers, but they were from channels I do not know. I didn't want to get caught up in some sensationalist kerfuffle that eventually doesn't pan out, so my strategy is that I have a few channels that I trust and that I will just wait to hear if they report on it. Today, you did report on it. To me, your are a trustworthy source and have never contradicted that assessment. Keep up the good work!
Thank you!
Linus should have stayed quiet tbh
he can say whatever the fuck he wants
Does he ever though? 😂.
The linux foundation should list the countries that it's ok to invade, it would simplify the things a bit. For now it looks like Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Palest ine, Vietnam, Cambodia, Cuba, Panama, Grenada and Haiti are OK to invade.
I musthave missed the invasion of Syria and "Palest ine" is not a Country...
I'm all fore stopping Russia, even if they break the laws in a country that's not in Russia. At the moment... Welcome to Scandivia! Latvia, Lithuania, and the list goes on. We live close to the big bear, France seems to be far away...
Don't be an arse, respect to the Finnish Linux kernal. Or shoud I say it's "Eastern Sweden" kernal? Let Linux run free as it is. You build your own! With no French in it!
lol
Because Nick is adverstising Tuxedo in every video, I'm considering posting the same question about them under every video:
When do we get fully supported fingerprint readers in Tuxedo laptops?
If you want an actual answer to that, you should send Tuxedo a email about it. He is only sponsored by them, he does not work for or with them.
i would ask tuxedo this, not a random youtuber
I saw they answered that question on your comment on the latest laptop review :)
The gist of it is: it’s currently insecure on Linux, the library behind it apparently triggers a lot of false positives, meaning sometimes someone can unlock your computer even if it’s not you, and they’d rather not provide that kind of « false sense of security » for now.
It's open-source not tax-free project. Know the diff people
Did they share any evidence for the connection of these specific people with any sanctioned companies? Did they explain exactly who and how decided whether a maintainer is employed by a sanctioned company? This removal looks more like a purge of everyone with .ru emails, plus one guy with (at least) a prior connection to Baikal - who later claimed he had been a volunteer for a year by that moment.
Additionally, the code from those people lives on in the kernel. Are their names mentioned in CREDITS?
8:00 now I want to see people from all other us states replying to that guys tweets in a similar manner.
So now we will have another kernel
-godot
-nixos
-opensuse
-linux
-debian
All open source...but also sadly affected by politics and activists in general.
Minix4life
The termites infected debian too? What about arch? Is there anything left that isn't being chewed up from the inside?
Archlinux is always normal...also blender
Those projects are the best and dont give any take outside of the project
Even they mostly dont celebrate anything external or not needed
They are jems...wish them luck
As said - it's called - systemic racism.
And Linus better work on fixing library fragmentation, format and incompatibility. 2024 and Linux still doesn't have API succession and any even direct compatibility. Even apps compiled for different distros in same generations often not compatible with each other. Let all any older software. Try to run a 32-bit app compiled for Linux some 30 years. Even if you have 32-bit libraries, there is near 100% probability that it wouldn't work. Try to run 32-bit app compiled for Windows 30 years ago and there is near 100% probability that it would run.
Except that's one reason Windows is a mess of an OS.
@@cameronbosch1213 Mess is a million different versions of libraries that are not compatible with each other. Mess is a lack of API succession. Mess is when you constantly rename functions and rearrange arguments. Mess is when you need a library of right version even to compile an executable that depends on it.
@@elksalmon84 That's one reason why I think image based Linux distros and flatpaks could seriously help with this problem. Because they bundle the dependencies in a way where there's no dependency hell, I think this problem will be a lot better soon.
we expect your code tomorrow
Flatpak literally ships both mesa and nvidia drivers for flatpak apps to use, although they do depend on kernel modules being already present. So I guess if npu driver is userspace only, it can be shipped as flatpak, but it will only be available to flatpak apps
I always thought these were just extensions that let Flatpak apps talk to the system-wide version of the drivers
@@TheLinuxEXP flatpak's containerized "distro"/runtime has to have all the libraries required for the apps to run so it has its own complete copy of mesa for steam to work for instance. Also it's actually possible to run unstable mesa version in flatpak in case it has some fixes for a new game you're trying to play that has issues with current drivers, while host still has older mesa, and it all works great
SNAPs and to a lesser degree RPMs have always been the goto on the server side for driver maintenance for stuff not directly in the kernel. Theres a reason why Snaps have the hold they do in linux, this is it. Flatpak and the like only address the needs of the end-user and developers who target end-user facing software. But for anyone else targeting server, enterprise or even just middleware the world has preferred Snaps then RPMs (cuz redhat and the like) and then to lot lesser extent debian (not because theyre less in usage, but more due to the fact those using debian are less ikely to ship custom drivers and system/middleware level modifiers)
Best if snap focused on back end stuff like driver and server, and Flatpak on applications. Because snaps where designed for servers, so forcing them in to apps is not wise, bet this immutable Ubntu will be shit.
Inmutability is what game devs want to make games work on Linux because it lets you validate your Linux install to make sure it doesn't have any cheats
Flatpak has drivers too, it’s a runtime
Because *nothing says free like international sanctions.*
and nothing says idiot like shilling for Russia.
Very disappointed in Linus
Paid russian actor 💯
@@secretagent5209very nice and detailed response. Thanks for addressing this.
@@secretagent5209 he’s only paid if he’s a right wing grifter.
"Multiple countries like Poland, Germany... and Texas." LOL, man don't be giving Texas any more ideas its practically on another planet as it is.
😂 like the 4 percenter's don't get slow enough updates/progress so lets ban the devs on an already hilariously small user base..
@14:25 "Pull your deck out" 😂
Gnome should maybe add a new screencapture API since they dont seem to like 3rd party tools touching the ones that do this for gnome internal tools. Still pisses me off
Intel NPU driver? - is it opensourced, or is that the full client-side-scanning package?
9:00 I like how Snaps don't need to be sandboxed.
I always install VSCode as a snap on every distro I use because it's a non-sandboxed snap. Thanks to that I don't deal with the weird sandbox bugs you see on the flatpak version and I can modify any file on my system.
Sad news for the open source community, it took a considerable hit...
A considerable hit to Baikal Electronics? Well, better late than newer, I guess....
@@swh77 How can this decision affect them in any way? They are already using some of their own builds that no one else needs.
Some people lost there naivety that's apllus in my book.
Open source is an idea that shouldn't be restricted to physical borders laws
and we should have human rights and universal basic income... 😞
Well to be fair, Finland was invaded once (and only after it refused a peaceful resolution to things beforehand) and then participated in the Siege of Leningrad were millions starved. So Linus, really needs to get off his high horse and go read history as he suggests other do.
Absolutely false. Russia was the aggressor in that war, and Finland wasn’t even involved in the siege of Leningrad.
actually true. And, the USSR was offering Finland a trade in territories. It was actually offering a pretty good deal, but those lamds were needed for security reasons.
And yes, Finland blocked the Northern route into Leningrad and blocked all supplies into the city forcing the "Highway of Life" to occur over the frozen Lake Ladoga. But that was hardly enough leading to mass starvation
@@AndRei-yc3ti False. You have been spreading misinformation all over this comment section, and your agenda is obvious. People like you are exactly who Linus was referring to.
They were complicit in the siege of leningrad @@aricrudd6579
Bro… No one is trying to justify what happend in Leningrad. Fact is that the USSR invaded Finland once and now Russia is threatening to invade Finland once again…
Camera position is good again 👍 Maybe not as good as when you were standing up but does not grab the attention.
Unpleasant, understandable reason to get a ban for Russian developers for "security" reasons. But there is no need to shout about hatred towards Russia. Linus could have remained neutral, but instead he decided to divide the open resource for questionable reasons
And the whole copyleft didn't do the same thing?
I don't hate Russian citizens inherently (apart from Putin, although I'm not Linus Torvalds himself), but it's unfortunately the way things have to be for now given it's not just the US banning Russian companies...
Finland and Russia have a complex history. I'm actually surprised it took him this long
When thugs name themselves „Russia“ - you tell „Russia“ to fuck off.
Read some history about Finland and Russia, then tell me again Linus has "questionable reasons"
@@techystuffs371 Yes, history: Finland was with Germany in WW2, against USSR . But Russian Empire gave a Constitution for Finland
Malibal sounds like a narcissist. Everyone and everything but them is the problem.
Arch Linux still is the best distro for gaming in my opinion
So, what about Swedish invasion in Finland ? Or this is ignored as it's not Russia ? :D
Is Sweden waging a war of annihilation against another country, as Russia is currently doing?
How many countries has Sweden made poor and uninhabitable? Well, zero. And the Soviet Union?
Seden didn't invade Finland as Finland was part of Sweden for like 800 years. And Linus himself is a Swede . Torvalds is not Finnish last name, it is Swedish last name.
@@nis4953 blah, blah, blah!
@@nis4953hey, you've got a typo. For how many countries did the material conditions improve by industrialising actions of USSR after having been exploited and abandoned by the backwater agricultural Russian Empire?
Politics doesn't belong in open source!
And Linus lost me with what he said on that Topic.
I'm not going to lie; the way he said it wasn't very good.
But politics _do_ happen in open source. Heck, the idea of copyleft was political to begin with!
Did you just call a motherf*cking war "politics"?
Politics are everywhere, if You liked it or not. There was already malware code put inside SSH server by developer, so same thing can happen with any other software - doesn't matter if open source or not.
My brother in Christ - open source as a philosophy is fundamentally political.
He’s right, though. And anyone familiar with history completely understands why a Finnish man would despise Russia.
what about Israel? what about Gaza genocide ?
Since this action was the results of sanctions against Russia, it will depend on the US government to also impose sanctions against Israel. But considering how the US basically allows Israel to do whatever they want, no matter how atrocious, this unfortunately is unlikely to happen in the near future. Of course the Linux Foundation could do so out of their own moral values, which would be commendable, but also unlikely if you ask me.
@@ytrism fair enough
@@ytrism Seems the Linux Foundation is an extension of Uncle Sam, so don't hold your breath.
What about everything the U.S and any other country has done in the psat? The argument of the whats happing now is acceptable but the citation of what finland soffered from russia in the past isn't.
@@Wkaelx When Finland is going to pay for starvation of Saint Petersburg?
As much as I abhor people not related to a government caught in the crossfire of the geopolitical issues, in Russia, if you don't follow Kremlin's orders (say to commit a backdoor to kernel - e.g. recent xz project backdoor from a long time contributor), a surprise jumping session from the nearest window shall be arranged for you; so this is as much of a favor to those maintainers as it is to kernel users.
That wont happen. Stop spreading nonsensical propaganda. Its really a shame grown adults believe such nonsense
People seem to be talking quite a lot about the Russia-Finland-Nazi relations, forgetting that it was the Russian Empire that gave us independence, the later USSR had an agreement with Nazis at the beginning of the war, and later after the Nazis betrayed USSR and the Winter-war happened, we joined with Nazis in the continuation war. Meanwhile the USSR was putting millions of their own citizens in gulags rising their genocide kill count to the same level as the Nazis. 2 nations doing the same wrong doesn't make the other right.
Forget that, everyone sucked in WW2, the Allies took note of Nazi tactics and began bombing civilian structures, and later the nuclear bombs were dropped.,.,,.,,.
otherwise you would still be Sweden, no one seems to remember facts
Bro thinks gulags were extermination camps lol
The efforts to equate USSR and Nazi Germany never fail to amaze me. The USSR was the last country to make a non-agression pact with Germany after everyone else in Europe. The fact that they had a spheres of influence agreement is irrelevant considering that Polish state had already fallen by the time USSR came weeks later. This ended up saving the population of that territory from the Holocaust.
> we joined with Nazis in the continuation war
That is a civil way to put it, but really invading Russia and the sieging of a Russian city for, 2 years, 4 months, 2 weeks and 5 days, leading to the death of over a million civilians, goes a little further than just tagging along. Yes, we can all point fingers, and many do. And before you ask, no, I am not Russian myself, But I do read history as it is meant to be read, With facts and not opinions.
There is a reason that part of the truce with Finland was its neutrality in perpetuity which seems to have gone out the window, without a national consultation or referendum, I might add. It is just going to end up bankrupting Finland as it struggles to keep funding the MICC and those American oligarch hoodlums, also known as NATO.
Oh well....
I mean I have a problem with these decisions being taken using arguments that shouldn't be used in these situations that's childish
Like man most people that are alive right now were born after those events and can't really do anything to change their governments
Would have been understandable if they just said that they just had to follow US laws so that the Linux kernel doesn't get forbidden in the US or something but blocking maintainers that worked on the project for years and saying it was for Finland as if those said maintainers convinced the tsars and Stalin to be that way is just disrespectful to their work and isn't how contradicts the fact that foss is just about working together on a project
Sorry very long answer here
Manners make the man, and projects. Unfortunately, Linux will recede into Linus' personal project in the US and will likely never gain global credibility again.
Ubuntu 24.10 is working on a bug fix, stay put on LTS
Thanks Nick.
14:25 Nice play on words in the title for the Steam Deck. Lately, I've been yearning for the playfulness like this in your videos. Still, no matter what, love your content!
Steam D*ck
Thanks for the informative presented news
Somehow I was unsubscribed from this channel. I always wonder if there’s some kind algorithm that does this, or if people at RUclips are just randomly doing it.