Elon: HUGE SURPRISE About TeslaBot DEMO Video! W/Scott Walter
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Love the opening joke!
Let's not talk about another round of layoffs when we can make dad jokes to a robot video. So easily distracted by Elmo.
@@Mark-jb9hxLayoffs are boring every company does it
Overshooting a motion is a way to correct for backlash/stretch in one direction, X-Y-Z CNC does this for on the fly calibration for extremely high positioning accuracy, they don’t just move from a-b, same with rotary motion (tables/spindles) all overshoot minutely to spool backlash in one direction, actuator/motors can do this in micro seconds.
Cheers from San Diego
Maybe the bot will automate the process of putting fired workers' belongings into cardboard boxes, all ready for when they arrive in the morning? The final walking scene would match that thesis - just ominously walk around all day to instill a sense of imminent replacement.
Ok. You made me laugh
I like how Optimus stays in the right side of the hallway - like a car
Thank you, I hadn't noticed that before you mentioned it. I wonder if it will stop for stop signs?
I do that too without thinking. My neural net was trained on a lot of driving too.
Many people have not figured this out
A perfect example would be a moving line where the bot watches for visual quality issues on the parts and grabs the item out of that group while it moves by.
Cool video, thanks. Lots of machines have a foot pedal that you have to step on, so legs with feet make sense in a lot of situations. Otherwise you need additional arms down there.
Can Optimus watch a how-to video and do the task?
Regarding the extra knuckle-it sounds as if this was considered a “should have” not a “must have”. The fact that it’s now going in is a sign that things are moving along well - I.e. all the “must haves” are now in. I’d imagine that you need the extra knuckle to grip e.g. a screwdriver or a drill etc.
LOVE THE JOKES !!!!!!!!! LOVE THE INFO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOVE THE CHANNEL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A NeuroLink surgeon Teslabot would no doubt, require 22° of freedom in its hands…
Continuous wiring can be replaced with contacts where a Hand could be replaced for an optional end effector for picking up very Hot items inside an oven for example. This is true for repairing limbs/digits.
people have an "inner ear" that helps with your sense of balance; we can't stand up when we get dizzy.
If optimus is only using camera inputs for moving around and standing up, it doesn't seem the neural net has similar set of inputs as a person
the robot is equipped with a gyro, like a drone, isn't it?
Your phone knows which way is up
Thinking about the factory use of Optimus. You could think of it as a general purpose glue that can be used to quickly and cheaply cement together disparate systems in the factory. I wonder if this approach will soon find you with more glue than systems.
I feel the wavering around corners is a turning radius, speed modulation issue. They need to brake earlier to make the turns.
I was thinking the same thing "Tesabot overkill" but my phrase was "overqualified", but as you pointed out with Teslabot "overqualified" does not mean "overpaid". Teslabot could be cheaper than not only employees, but also industrial robots or even custom built simple machines.
The bottom line is the bottom line. No matter the overkill of the bot for a job, if it's a cheaper solution then it's valid.
Those using the bot will ultimately simply seek out the greatest savings.
Human tendons are pull only. Optimus tendons in conduits could have some push capacity too.
You guys are great but the delay and audio quality is tough. Thanks/sorry.
It would seem if you want to engage certain knuckles of a finger and not others then you could do so with the single tendon but lock out the knuckles you want to move but let slip the ones you don’t…
Ga on my mind
The point about right-handedness is interesting-if training of both sizes necessary then hopefully Tesla can just record training data for one and flip it for the other otherwise will be seeing advertisements for left-handed robot trainers
Gotta love Scott
A battery of tests.... 🥁
Tesla is the future get used to it
The live connected operator lag can be compensated for in a similar method that FSD learns with multiple training sets. The human operators can perform the same scenario disconnected from the bot at full human speed but fully recorded, which the bots use as initial performance targets (MUCH simplier than driving a car) 😊
How long until we see Optimus being trained to charge another Optimus? And a Tesla? 😅
An Optimus Supercharger station attendant! It will plug you in and clean the windshield!
The Robot companies are copying the human hand, not each other. They started with a simpler design, then when the needs of their use case required it, they increased the complexity. Eventually there will be special purpose hands, exceeding the dexterity of a human surgeon. I'm sure we will pay extra for those.
Would be interesting if they trained it exactly 50% with each arm and then see what it chose to do when autonomous.
Early zero gravity training for live Starship adaption.
Come for the bot updates, stay for the dad jokes.
They really need to teach Optimus how to ride a hoverboard so we can put this whole wheel thing to to bed
what are the goals?
Factory works
delivered packages from automobile or stuff
ect
design those goals
To be able to issue verbal commands they'll need to create an adapter model to bridge the LLM with the visual model and that will require a lot of training with a lot of bots.
Robot does a series of tasks. Has to be able to do series of tasks for a job.
How is this demo an advance over the colored blocks sorting video a few months ago?
Targeted placement with precision.
@@thomasidzikowski1520 That's right, it's much easier to just dump something in a box than it is to precisely place something in a tight form fitting place. I haven't seen any other bot do this yet although I am sure some others will be doing that soon. At least I think the Figure bot will.
Construction another Optimus, would be great!
Optimus before optimization
I think they are adding degrees of freedom because eventually they will be using the arms and hands as prosthetic with neurolink at least that's my idea.
That too.
If they can start with only photons in, a further step will be only thoughts in. Now, make me the car I am imagining!
I realized recently that training these bots is almost exactly like raising children. Putting batteries in the tray is just like the toys for 2 year olds.
And just realized that ergonomics will be important for bots too. Essentially for the same reasons as for humans, to reduce power consumption and reduce wear and tear on the joints and actuators.
John and Scott,
Multiprocessing and tandem use of both hands is manditory for Optimus and its cousins. Unless Optimus is already multiprocess limited, it should be able to handle simple multithreaded tasks (both hand operations). We saw this functoon in the past. This video shows (at best) comparable performance to several of the alternative bots.
If I was putting out a video to showcase Optimus, I would at least try to show more advanced performance (eg two handed pick and place operations). Double the hands and more than double the work per unit of time.
NEXT: Don't try to beat Mother Nature. She did not build handed and pawed creatures with active flexors and passive extensors. We humans have extensor muscles for our fingers and toes for multiple good reasons. Fine motor tasks in particular require both flexion and extension control.
The new finger motion actuators are likely to provide rotaional tendon contraction with flexion and extension tendons operating in opposition.
One more source of FSD ocillation is moment to moment shifting between 2 equally valid driving solutions with different trajectories. I believe I am seeing this when stopped to turn with rapidly changing cross traffic.
I hate the double stops with 12.3.6. We need at least a temporary fix for speeding in active school zones. FSD is still breaking other basic traffic laws: crossing double yellow lines unnecessarily, failing to signal for lane changes and turns, running stop signs to start with. 12.3.6 varries between dangerously slow commitments in active traffic lanes and overly agressive where my wife has to grab the passenger door handle. As an engineer and neurologist, "smoother" and "human-like" are not better if performance is worse and the model is breaking BASIC traffic laws.
I have faith in the FSD team to fix this. I also believe the fix would be faster if they empowered the training AI with basic driving laws and replaced the "average best driver responses" with optimized driver personalities (chauffeur, taxi driver, little old man) and optimized smooth trajectories.
A few bots actually working in a factory is a big deal.
There are some operations that require foot controls. For example: the robot can hold an object with both hands and use a foot control to press a button to lock in to place, etc. Of course these robots could have wireless control of machines to some degree.
Hmm I'd expect that there are a few a background project using bots and neurolink, lots of opportunities in the medical side to explore 😊
Why doesn't the bot use two hands to sort the batteries
Why on earth would you have the video of the robot in a tiny rectangle with all the rest around it?
Stretch of “tendons” eliminated by 90degree plunger Tensioner(s) to eliminate thermal lengthening/stretching, for the fingers they could be at the knuckles, elbow, shoulder, etc. (derailure/chain).
That battery machine might just be an old machine they aren’t using anymore so they use it to train the bot
I know this is knit picking but when Optimus corrects the mistake op actually puts the battery in upside down
Yeah, it's all a big hoax, Elon will take investor's money and run away on Mars.
"Knit picking": nit picking. 😁
This is a self referential post about a self referential post that itself refers recursively using a double entendre to another's self referential post.
Too meta?
@@tarcus6074He's said he probably won't go himself, so congrats, you'll have him here all his life to pick on him. You'll have lots of time for it while being driven by robots who also forced you into a more leisure schedule.
A human worker might pick up two, or sometimes even three batteries in one hand!
...also a human worker can off-load an armful of batteries, and quickly place them in the tray.
@@kennyfordham6208 very true, but no human can work 24/7/365 and this is the great leap for robots on the factory floor
Eventually Optimus will have superhuman dexterity. It's now around 2 year old level, barely walking and just learning how to put different shapes into their corresponding holes. And considering that the first prototypes were built about 2 years ago, that's on time.
But from here Optimus will beat human kids, because it can learn in parallel, plus it's cognitive and language skills are already human level with the help of LLMs.
@@andrasbiro3007 Yes, eventually...right after Hyper Loop, Tesla Roadster, colonizing Mars, and cold fusion.
@@kennyfordham6208 Thanks for the sarcasm but at the rate the bot has advanced in just over 2 years I think it's going to be ready before we colonize Mars. That's a pretty safe bet.
Is Scott driving using FSD? Does that help him keep a discussion without requiring 100% attention on the road? Thanks gentlemen for your episode.
I think his son is driving.
Maybe his son has turned on FSD!??
Maybe his son is using FSD so he can follow what his dad is saying.
John please stop interrupting your own guests!!!
Optimus will replace all humans in a Tesla EV factory, and you can check up on what's happening in the factory from anywhere, Starlink, and eventually from your head, Neuralink. Jeannine
Would be nice if optimum could learn by watching someone
Demo purpose only! Battery handling, individual cell to pack placement is already done at scale. Battery pack automation is way beyond single Optimus use.
On big production lines of course. But the 4680 is still in development, so volumes are low and the lines are changing, so it may not worth using expensive specialized robots. Automation is the last step of the process.
What? The bots are still controlled by tele operated human.
What a big deal?
Okay, I'm just going to come right out with it - after such a relatively long wait, I found this Optimus update somewhat underwhelming.
AHAH! So the new secret to happiness is placing batteries in a tray (replacing the old theory that it was herring sandwiches).
Scott the dad joke king
You guys seriously need to evaluate optimus objectively as compared to the competition. The pqce and direction of progress of optimus is disappointing. Even i am a tesla investor, but seeing things objectively should be the aim and not have biases.
umm how can u evaluate that? I m totally with you that perceived progress seems lacking. But its hard too judge it fairly. Even more because those different task from all those companies (including Tesla) are produced in lab environments.
@@alesksander I evaluate based on the deko shown by all the companies. Figure AI might not be good on the hardware side, but it has definitely proved its generalized software capabilities. Optimus is learning tasks with a Teleoperater human training it to do different tasks which is not only an old technology but also not at all scalable. And when there are AI already developed which can learn tasks from visual and video data, optimus using Teleoperater to learn task is already a lost cause. And in terms of hardware, Boston dynamics has done a good job too.
They should make it better than a human hand and let it spin 360 on its wrist, same with the head
Unnecessary, uncanny, and have the same issues why humans don't do it (wiring).
@andrasbiro3007 could happen with same mechanism that wheels, drills, and other rotary equipment work.
@@LL-wn8yw
Those don't route power through the spinning part. Optimus have to be able to move it's fingers too.
Why aren't they teaching them to be ambidextrous?
Six fingers.
RE: Hand DoFs, if use of tools designed for humans is goal then they n may need the enhanced hand. And that should be goal IMHO.
Will Elon be too mature to call a charge plug in the back a butt plug
That is so slow it is painful to watch. Why not train it to use both hands. Pick it up with one hand and transfer it to the other. Have cameras monitor picking the batteries up and a second camera putting the battering in the rack. I am sure there is enough processing power to do both at the same time. Where does the bots ability to self learn come in? It looks like it is very limited.
Some of your responses were a bit robotic...
If we simply assume that a simpler robot arm will cost $200k to program while a much more complex Teslabot will cost $20k and cost nothing to program 'cause AI (which a simpler robot arm may not use), then buying a Teslabot to load this box with batteries makes perfect sense. Not sure about the assumptions though. Why can't simpler industrial robots use AI even more easily than humanoid bots? Why are simpler bots doomed to use the old way of programming while humanoid bots race past them? Won't conventional bot producers adopt AI too?
Someone pointed out that humans are actually controlling the movement of the bots. That is, the bots are not acting autonomously. See minute 2:08 of this video and you'll see the row of humans, placed between the bots, controlling the movement of the arms. Thus, this video is misleading, and the bots are not as developed as Tesla is suggesting.
You are right it's all a big hoax.
Good point 👍
@@kennyfordham6208 Well it's not really that good of a point. Anyone who was paying attention to the video and who knows about how Tesla is doing things would know that there are two different things going on. First, some bots were still being trained by teleoperators. Second, after a bot is fully trained in a task it no longer needs human control but can do the task autonomously. When the bot was putting batteries in a box at the beginning that was a bot that was fully trained in that task and it plainly says that it was autonomous. Of course, you could always claim that they were lying about that but that is just conjecture.
@@jlrutube1312 I'm familiar with how Tesla does things.
The guy in the spandex bodysuit, during Optimus' initial reveal, says it all.
@@kennyfordham6208 And you actually thought that Tesla was trying to fool people into believing the guy in the spandex bodysuit was a real robot? And for you that says it all? Ha Ha. No one but a child thought the spandex guy was a real robot and no one but a child thought that Elon thought that was fooling everyone. Obviously it was intended to be humorous. Do you not understnd humor?
What’s all this recent titling about INSANE this or INSANE that all over YT. I hate misusing clinical terms for people with mental illness - we previously had a CRAZY period - same objection. How about AWESOME or AMAZING if you want to use superlatives.
I think you guys are missing the point....
This isnt really a simple task, tesla doesnt benefit at all from thesebatteries being passed in a loop.
This is PURELY for training. This would be the alowest, dumbest way to move cells around in real life and we all know that lol
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This is just a demonstration guys. Over analysis of a short film .😮🎉
Your a salt and battery joke is much better.
I don't understand why anyone thinks that this video is a big deal. We have been waiting for an Optimus update video for a very long time and Optimus is not doing anything in this video that we haven't seen before and in my opinion is less impressive than some of the other videos that we had a long time ago for Optimus. I'm pretty disappointed. Furthermore most of this video is talking about a feature that is supposed to be coming but is not actually in the update video... I would not consider this Optimus video an update video at all. Again I'm highly disappointed and not actually sure why Tesla put this video out in the first place. Having my combined portfolios as 92% Tesla I'm quite disappointed here
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I agree that if this is the limit of their progress, it seems a bit slow, but as a tease that doesn't give away anything, it would be OK. Please also remember how short a time Tesla has been in this game, making their overall achievement rate quite impressive.
@@user-gv4cx7vz8tI completely agree with you that for the short amount of time that they've been working on Optimus that the rate of progression is spectacular. I just don't see any thing that is spectacular in this video that we haven't already seen in previously released Optimus update videos
Which is better?
1) A $100,000 robot
2) 100 $1,000 robots
That's the quagmire Elon has gotten himself into.
Same with BD.
A swarm of small robots working together to accomplish a task where the task is broken into smaller parts that the swarm works on in parallel.
For instance, on a production line, 10 parts are to be assembled, with each part in a different location in a warehouse. Elon's Terminator will be busy visiting 10 locations, gathering the parts, and bringing them to the assembly line.
A swarm of small, less capable robots would send out 10 robots, each gathering just one part and bringing it to the assembly line. The swarm takes 1/10 as long as the Terminator.
Sadly, the human-like robot will be eaten alive by the swarm on virtually any task it is to accomplish.
Yes, great point 👍
@@kennyfordham6208 My son is an IE/MBA, and he designs and builds production lines for a living. He has designed and built hundreds of them to manufacture and assemble thousands of items.
I asked him my question, and his response was startling:
No Need for Production Lines with swarms of robots
The swarm would gather parts and assemble them with tools they bring to the "Pod"
so imagine an empty warehouse with parts on one end and the remaining floor empty
The swarm would decide there is enough room for 10 pods - each pod results in a finished product. So instead of one production line where everything is sequential, the same warehouse space would assemble 10 in parallel with the swarm, gathering parts and tools and bringing them to the pod for assembly.
He said he would think of the new assembly method as old-fashioned craftsmen who worked as a pod and built the item as a group - no moving assembly line.
You can't "Think outside the box" if your robot is an exact replacement for a human being.
Manufacturers have used small and large machines for decades. But if you have fifty sewing machine operators, the bot can easily extend the workforce. It can potentially press the foot pedal and manipulate the fabric.
@@robertwhite3503 My son asked "What's the operating temps of the swarm bots?"
I guessed 32F to 140F
Good he said - no need for a warehouse - the pods can take place in a parking lot or a vacant field - no need for a heated warehouse.
But a swarm of autonomous AGI humanoid robots could swat down the other swarm, pirate the parts and take over the line!
Also, assuming that a Teslabot can do anything a human being can do with minimal programming, basically just show it what to do, while a specialized cooking bot can only cook and a specialized lawn mowing bot can only mow lawns, then Teslabots are a steal even if they cost more than the cooking and lawn mowing bots. This assumption seems highly questionable to me, and I see no evidence that it's true in this video, but if you want to believe the optimistic, humanoid bot narrative, you can.
Even if AI makes more general purpose bots practical, I'm not sure why the general purpose bots would be humanoid. Why legs rather than wheels? Why two five-fingered hands rather than one three-fingered hand or an arm with a variety of exchangeable manipulators?
If a robot can go to the store and buy my food, then it can drive my car. So who needs a FSD robotaxi? Doesn't Teslabot make every car a robotaxi? My local Ingles will already let me shop online and meet me in the parking lot with bagged groceries. I think they pay high school students to do the shopping, but I suppose they could use bots though I'm not sure they'd save money.
Omg you guys are desperate. Boasting about ballance while moving its hips and arms while putting batteries into a tray upside-down doesn't speak big progress. You guy's should be talking about the weather forecast or something more interesting.
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If you cannot understand why they are excited. Then you are not smart enough for the topic. The video revealed a lot on how Tesla is training the bots
Seems like a lame demo, nothing happening much yet, show a demo of a bot doing a factory job as fast as or faster than a human.
I think Tesla will be slow rolling the updates until they have a production ramp. Just to show they are keeping pace with the competition, until they have volume and "suddenly" surpass them.
No, a humanoid autonomous bot learning one of about a million tasks it might have been trained to do, working beside an unprotected human in a realistic setting. That's different than what you said, but it's interesting you are already finding it humdrum and routine.
X is so lame with vids...
Please make Scott stop.