The TRUTH about Jobsite Table Saws and Why I Should have Upgraded Sooner
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- I started with a jobsite saw like many do. It was an absolute piece of junk from my Dad. The fence was useless and I quickly knew it was more of a hinderance than a help. The DeWALT is an awesome jobsite saw, arguably the best at this price point. If you’re ready to get past the “make it work” point and want to upgrade your saw, the 110TC by Harvey is incredible. These are extremely well made and make you feel like you can do anything; no more being held back by a small saw with an underpowered motor. Of course, you know what you need for your own personal workflow so take these things I talk about in the video into consideration and make the best decision for your business.
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*Harvey provided me with this saw pro gratis. I used it for 10 months before giving my opinion on it and my opinion is my own. Interestingly enough, I was allowed to choose any model saw I wanted and they make even nicer, more expensive ones, but I chose the saw I would realistically be willing to purchase. If you have made and sold anything in your life, you would be able to see that the price tag on this saw is ridiculously fair. I would not hesitate to recommend it.
Nicely done! This is a great video for anyone on the fence about upgrading.
If that was a subtle table saw fence joke…. I loved it. 🤣
Nice video. It has good speed, and you nicely mixed the entertainment and information. Well done.
Hey thank you for the feedback! My husband loved the Billy Madison clip. 🤣 I really tried to hit the main points for my own experience and do it concisely so appreciate that!
Great video, I love the comparisons, especially since I have the same jobsite saw. That Harvey Industries saw looks amazing. Maybe someday I can add to my arsenal.
It’s a great jobsite saw. I didn’t get rid of mine when I got the Harvey but dang, the cabinet saw… it’s so nice. Haha
Harvey!
Great stuff, my friend. Enjoyed the breakdown.
Thanks, Timmay! It was a good challenge for me.
Harvey. Great video, loved the outtakes! 😂😂
Haha thank you!
Harvey. Thank you for the video!
Absolutely. Thanks for watching!
Harvey: great video! I just got the 110S 36P & love it! It’s a beast but I love the accuracy & the miter gauge has me not wanting to build a crosscut sled because of its accuracy. The quality is simply amazing!!!! 💯🤩
Right?! I still haven’t made a cross cut sled! The Compass is very nice. Thanks for watching bud!
Harvey. This is the first video I’ve seen of yours and you’re sense of humor is great. 😂 I’ll be clicking your subscribe button now ma’am. 🤜
Haha thank you so much!! My husband loved the Billy Madison clip. 🤣🤣
@@OakHillMillworks that one was good, but I saw the “my saw, my choice” and hollered. 🤣
@@Griffinwoodworks ha! Good catch! If I don’t make myself laugh while I’m editing, I’ll lose my mind! Lol
The Dewalt job site saw is the only saw I recommend to new users for the rack and pinion fence. Very fair and accurate assessment between the 2 saws!
Thanks, Nick! They are both great and have their place.
Milwaukee, Skil and sawstop CTS have the same fence
Milwaukee has the big & small fence, and accepts a dado stack
I would LOVE a Harvey tool in my shop. Great video!
They are some pretty finely made machines! Thanks for watching. :)
Great vid! But to be fair to Dewalt, the low fence you mentioned at 5:47 does exist on some job site saws, including the Dewalt you show in the video. It’s on the other side the fence. You flip it over. It can support large pieces or act as a low fence!
Fair! I thought it was only for material support when you have the fence way out. Thanks for the help!
As someone who went from a cabinet saw to a jobsite saw I do miss some of the features you mentioned but I am not sure it has hurt the quality of my work as much as I expected. My old cabinet saw didn’t have any safety features or dust collection so I am still glad I made the switch.
I believe that. I know some people who continue to use small jobsite saws and make incredible things by using jigs and sleds. More power to the end user no matter what they choose!
Great video. As an FYI, the DeWalt 7491 does have a standard height and low height fence, and it supports dado stacks up to 20mm (~3/4").
The lack of infeed distance is definitely a concern, but the way I built my sled, it gives me about 400mm (~16") of accurate cutting.
The cost of a decent mitre gauge definitely also needs to be added in to any jobsite saw. That's another $100+.
All that said, I'd take a cabinet saw over a jobsite saw any day. Assuming I had the money and space for one...
Yeah I knew some models had the ability to allow for a dado stack but majority of jobsite saws do not. I think the “low height fence” on that model is more for material support. I can’t imagine an arm that rotates like it does would allow for perfectly square rips on narrow stock if it were used for a low fence but that’s just me wondering.
How in the world do you get 16” in front of the blade!? Did you build your infeed to be longer? Your sled would need support to do that safely.
Major kudos to you if you can accomplish it all on the dewalt. They really make a great saw. I kept mine!
HARVEY!!!!!! someday it will be in the shop.
🤘🏼 let’s go!
Harvey! Great Work CM!
Thank you, KV!
I LOVE my dewalt table saw with the rack and pinion fence. Incredibly accurate. I got a Sawstop jobsite saw because of my small shop but I hate it. Amazing saw, but the worst fence I've ever used on a table saw. Basically, it makes the saw unusable. However, a commercial cabinet Sawstop is what I'm dreaming of now since a larger shop and more work is on the horizon. The added hot dog feature is really nice as well
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The dewalt is legit! Beats out any other jobsite saw I have used by a longshot. I just had always wished it had the ability to use a dado stack and wanted a bigger table overall. I hadn’t heard the sawstop jobsite fence was bad! Interesting. Put Harvey on your list of saws to consider. From what I hear, their price point and customer service is far better than sawstop and sawstop has had a ton of people experiencing trips of the break cartridges without a reason. So I hear anyway.
@@OakHillMillworks The Dewalt 7491 can take a dado stack, and the fence also has a hi/low position fwiw. Still not comparable to a cabinet saw.
Harvey! Great comparison video!
Thanks, friend! Man I’m glad we met at WBC. You’re such a good dude!
Harvey! Love my SawStop but totally get the value of a job site saw!
Hey Mindy! Thanks for adding to the comments! I hung on to my dewalt jobsite and will keep it as long as it works!
Wish I had the room for a full sized cabinet saw. Being in a small 10' x 14' Shed..... it' ain't gonna fit with everything else I have in there. Great video, just ran across it as a suggestion so I'm going to be checking out the other videos you have as well.
Aw cool! Yeah they aren’t for everyone. It doesn’t always make sense. Luckily there are a lot of ways to modify a jobsite to get a lot of good use from it. Cheers and thanks for watching!
But mom, what if I don't WANT a Harvey...??? 😭😭😭
Good info, well done... nice commercial! 😉
🤣 thank you!! That’s hilarious.
Love Dad’s Cameo! 👍💙
That was planned back in July! Crazy how much thought has to go into these things!
Great discussion. I just subbed. Looks like you're doing well. Congrats!
Always learning! Thank you for watching, Brett! I’ll check out your channel as well.
I have the DeWalt 'jobsite' at home, and use of a cabinet saw at my local Men's Shed. I prefer the DeWalt- it actually gives a better finish, less dust, and easier to use.
Thank you for sharing your vast knowledge I am considering switching from my Metabo jobsite table saw while it’s a good saw and my situation is being from Western NY I move my total shop in the garage table saw, miter saw, band saw, jointer, planer, spindle sander, disc/belt sander, router/ router table plus all my cordless tools. I am considering a more permanent table saw, but am un certain your information definitely helped. The plus side the saw would stay put in the winter set up, my wife uses the garage for her car in the winter months is the reason for the switch of shops
Yeah that’s a tough situation. I gave up my parking spot in the garage 5 years ago! Maybe buy her an automatic start for her vehicle and promise to always shovel the snow off. 🤣
@@OakHillMillworks she has that it’s a brand new vehicle, I can sacrifice for the wife great video though
@@sflagg0817 good man! Thank you!
@@OakHillMillworks welcome
Glad to see that Harvey is finally getting their supply chain ironed out. Where do I get my free Harvey saw?
They have been growing a lot lately! Never know unless you ask… do you do online marketing?
lol *Harvey* but in all honesty, just happened upon your channel and sub'd. Look forward to the additional content. (love my SawStop PCS 36" 3hp)
Nice saw! Thanks for the watch and the sub! Another commenter called my video “trash” and felt it was only an advertisement for Harvey. Glad you saw it differently.
Harvey. Love to have one, or a Sawstop. But I don’t. Very useful information and good video. Couldn’t help but notice you didn’t mention hybrid saws, the in-between category. Floor model, more affordable saws like the Ridgid R4512 or Delta 36-5000. I enjoy mine immensely, but I know the cost savings from a true cabinet saw also come with the loss of some of the benefits as well
Yeah I only wanted to speak on my experience. I have never owned a contractor style saw. These saws, Harvey’s and SawStops… they are workhorses. They really are made for people running saws all day long. But there’s just a decent enough number of people who like buying very nice tools that we buy them for the sake of making our lives easier. Appreciate the watch and adding to the discussion here!
I'm planning on selling my Ridgid contractor saw, and downsizing to either the Sawstop or Festool jobsite saw. One big reason for that is dust collection, I don't have and don't want a big dust collector. And for me, anything that I would "need" a big saw for, like ripping sheets of plywood or dados, I already prefer to do with a track saw or a router. Both of those can be very accurate with the right accessories, so my table saw only gets used for small rips and small crosscuts.
That’s awesome that you know what works for your workload. Space is a definitely a concern for a lot of folks so I hear you on that.
Great job Christy. Why not both I always say.
I suppose that’s why I kept my jobsite! 🤣👍🏽
I want a Harvey table saw with the slider! I’m still using my job site kobalt table saw I got with some of my wedding gift money!
I honestly can’t believe that! But I know your CNC and your track saw do lots of cutting for you!! Some people don’t even own a table saw. They break down with bandsaws or track saws.
First time I've heard "use the blade extended to full height like a psychopath." :D :D
I have such a way with words, don’t I? 😇😂
Job site saws are not designed for anything more than cutting trim and installing, people use them for a lot more than they should, would get better results with a cabinet saw, especially an older unisaw or powermatic 66, much better than anything made currently
I agree! They like the price tag a lot more on the jobsite saws. It’s surprising what some of them are capable of in terms of handling thicker stock. Keeping a sharp blade and not pushing the stock too fast can still yield some great results on the underdog.
Harvey sounds like a plan for when I move to VT.. now using a $25 Market place find😂
Hey if it works for ya then there ya go!!
@@OakHillMillworks Oh it works but barely definitely gonna kick that saw to the curb when I get to finally move
I purchased the ALPHA HW110LC-36P 10" 2HP and love it for the most part. The dust collection is horrible and a disapointment to say the least. I have a 2hp canister filter style dust collector hooked directly up to it about 8 ft away with zero bends in the 4 inch hose. I'm not sure what else I can do to improve it if anything.
Really? That’s surprising. You have the overhead attachment on there too? I will say I just discovered a blockage in my smaller 2.5” hose on the inside of the cabinet the other day and I think I’m gonna trim that hose to take out that slight bend it has. Double check that small hose on the inside of the cabinet.
I think if you are doing a commercial, you should say so up front (and not just the little text thing at the start). Other than that, I think you covered the jobsite vs cabinet saw thing pretty well. I bought an old craftsman jobsite saw twenty years ago and have been able to cut everything needed except for breaking down plywood sheets, but I just use a circular saw for that. So you might say I am on the frugal side. I think if I was going to be spending the money on a Harvey, I would go the little more and get a sawstop.
Well the thing is, yes I received the saw from the company - no I wasn’t required to make the video or say anything about it at all. I also used it for 10 months because I didn’t want to be another person who just says something is awesome because they got it for free. I truly wanted to be able to vouch for it and as I stated in the description, I could have chosen their most expensive saw but I chose the one I would have purchased with my own money if I were paying for it to simulate the most realistic upgrade for me. I worked hard to keep it a fair discussion. I didn’t feel the need to wave a flag and say “hey I got this for free!” at the start for those reasons. But thank you for the feedback. I like to use my track saw for breaking down sheet goods. It’s nice that there are many ways to accomplish the same task in woodworking.
I honestly wish Harvey would make a smaller saw. Maybe not exactly a jobsite saw, more of a contractor style or whatever the industry calls them these days. A precision saw in that jobsite / portable contractor style would be so sick. If it was purpose built for precision, I think people would totally buy it. I know festool just came out with a tiny battery powered saw that's supposed to be pretty precise but that thing is just way too small (and expensive). I am so on the fence and I want to order one of the harvey's but my shop is so cramped I don't know how I'd navigate with the fence extension arms / tubes sticking out all of the time.
That’s a solid point. I think a contractor saw by Harvey closer to 1K would be pretty incredible. The festool jobsite looks very nice but I agree, it looks so tiny.
Harvey wish I could get a table saw that would be like the Harvey but I'm in confined spaces and that's all I have is a work site table saw
I wanted one for a long time and it was a big upgrade, literally. It all comes down to what you need. If you don’t need a heavy duty saw, don’t trouble over not having one. Many people do great things with a jobsite. Hope you have a fantastic day! Thanks for watching by the way. 😀
Harvey. But, how can I take the Harvey cabinet saw on the job site? That’s a video I’d like to see. Sort of kidding. 😂 Nice video
Haha! Luke I’ll have to add that to my video idea list. Sounds more like a Jason Hibbs video!! 🤣
As I'm working in a basement in Europe, a big and cabinet saw sadly isn't an option, but a good quality job site saw does quite fine for me.
I’m glad to hear that. Thank goodness there are all sorts of options since we all have different needs. Have a great day!
Harvey get tips thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Harvey baby!
Yeeeeah yeah!! You like that cameo by Dad? 🤣
Always good when a new creator pops up on my feed I learn they are trash on the first video. Which was obviously an advertisement.
Anytime someone harshly judges a video I put up online I like to wonder how they would speak to me if their life was in danger and they needed my help. Would you speak to someone like that if you needed help or just to strangers on the internet who you for some reason think it’s ok to talk to like that?
Also, yeah… that’s why it is labeled as including a paid promotion. So it’s “obviously” an advertisement. Are you familiar with marketing? Commercials? That’s kinda how the world goes ‘round. 😉
Great comparison! We’re partial to one of the options but they both have their place! 👍🏼
Thanks! The 110TC has made me wish I had upgraded much sooner. Talk about making things so much easier.
Cabinet table saws are also much quieter than job site saws that are direct drive. Cabinet saws are belt driven and much easier on the ear and the neighbors appreciate it too.
Solid point!
Harvey! I can't wait to Olympic hammer throw my jobsite saw outa my shop 😂
🤣 Please take video of that happening.
@@OakHillMillworks by the time I get to that point, I'd probably break a hip 😂😂😂
@@coreydavoll7622 come onnn. Give the people what they want!! 🤣
@@OakHillMillworks I guess I could make something happen if Harvey sponsors me 😂.
Harvey!
Hi love! Hope you’re feeling well and I hope you got a chuckle from this video!
I went from a Craftsman job site $99 table saw, to a used Grizzly Contractor saw. I'm still debating upgrading to the hot dog saw if money permits. I looked at Harvey and their products look great. It's a real toss up between them. As a guitar player, I do worry about my fingers. I've never been hurt on a table saw, but I can't shake the feeling. I've got a healthy amount of fear and respect for my table saw, my routers, etc.
Can’t blame ya there. Sawstop is definitely onto something. You’ll have frustrations of breaks going off when you don’t know why and have to pay around $70-$80 to replace them but you’ll definitely get to keep your fingers!
I think you could be a professor of table saws.
Haha oh I think I still have much to learn… but thank you! 😉
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Don’t even need to watch the video for my 2 cents… I’m a 20 plus year career trim carpenter (most of which is working on homes 10 million and up), so very high end custom stuff.
On rare occasions where we are going to be on a job for months we will bring in a “contractor” or “hybrid” style table saw. But for 90% of the work you do (especially if bouncing around different jobs on the daily) the lightest table saw will do 90% of what you need on the job. Today I carry an 8.5” Dewalt in my truck for my bounce around saw.
Thanks for adding! That makes total sense for your workload. If you don’t mind me asking, what type of work are you mainly doing as a trim carpenter? Are we talking base, casing, moldings? Mostly work involving 3/4” material, right? The Dewalt team makes a solid jobsite saw. Despite my upgrade, I’ll continue to hang on to mine for its convenience.
@@OakHillMillworks ya for on-site it’s mostly applied mouldings, casing, beam and column wraps and crown moulding (sometimes big 8” crown), paneling and wainscoting on walls, custom cabinetry (mostly just the installation of the cabinetry).
I have a small shop at my house that I have a 3hp cabinet saw at with a jointer, plainer, band saw… all the fun stuff is in my shop lol.
@@cjsawinski haha nice! How do you guy the wider crown on such a small table saw? Or is that a sliding miter saw cut?
@@OakHillMillworks but ya for the jobsite 90% of what materials we use are 3/4 up to 5/4… either in the moldings or sheet goods… if you need to rabbit or dado something on-site a router works… so for on-site the portable small 8.5” table saw will handle 90% of what we need.
And like I said on our long term projects we’ll bring in a full-size contractor or hybrid saw and set it up with dust collection in the garage or a larger vacant room. That only happens if the project is going to be 3 plus months long though. And even then I don’t like it, trim carpenter’s will “camp” on it or wait for it to be open from someone else using it when they could just use their own smaller saw… that and also don’t like guys coming from the far end of a 20,000-30,000 square foot house just for one rip lol.
@@OakHillMillworks Most the crown we do I can cut nested in my 12” sliding miter saw… no need for a table saw for crown… I have had crown that was to big for even a 12” miter saw though and in that case I built a couple sleds or “jigs” that a track saw would ride in.
90% of the crown (and general moldings) we do we cope… sometimes crown is easier to put together on the ground though with the miters screwed together from the back side (blind screws). But pre building really is only convenient when it’s larger crown and when your installing it in a coffered ceiling.
Harvey.
Harvey! 🤪
Harvey Alpha look good to me. Maybe one day...!
They are awesome!
I’m on the fence with a few cabinet saws…you may have just made my decision for me!
Oh, and your videos are great! Maybe just a little more smiling 😉
Haha! I told my husband the same thing, that my face is so blah. I’m so focused on so many things that I’m not very animated. But thank you!! Seriously an amazing saw at a very fair price. It was a learning curve to assemble it after being used to a jobsite saw but it was a great way to get to know the saw. Make sure you have a socket set for the main nuts you’ll need to tighten! They also include the full hex wrench set so that’s nice.
@@OakHillMillworks I appreciate the info!
No prob!
Harvey advert, why not just say so?
I do. It’s labeled “paid promotion” right on the video in the top left corner. FTC regulation. I also list lots of reasons why sticking with a jobsite saw makes sense. I have no contract with the company and used it for 10 months before forming my opinion on it. Any other questions?
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Thanks, Tony!
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