Thank you, Jonathan and Philip, for a wonderful conversation. I fully agree with Philip that Jonathan's channel is crucial and I thank you so much for all the hard work. Similarly, Philip's work has been amazing and if we wouldn't have had voices like yours, Ukraine would have been buried altogether. You both managed to raise enough heads who have been "awakened" and follow ever since. The pro-Ukrainian community might be small but as a group we are strong. If not for individuals like you two, Ukraine might have far less support. Thank you, for being tired, but nevertheless continue to report on and support Ukraine. 🇺🇦 Перемоги та миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦
I appreciate your support for Ukraine by selecting very knowledgeable individuals to expose the deception of the Russian political system. Phil is one of those people.
As someone who was born in late Soviet Union, Putin’s Russia has nothing to do with the intellectual and military capacity of the Soviet Union (and even the latter was exaggerated and overestimated by the West). The only thing Russians have been consistently and increasingly successful in is bluffing and deceiving the West.
Two of my favorites, Jonathan it's great seeing two strong voices together. Thanks. For me it's all about the children. Never forget all of the Russians who abused children and their families in Ukraine. From the mass graves (in Izium) to the stolen children. Now if Ukrainian parents don't become Russian citizens and go to fight against their brothers and cousins Russia will take their newborn children at birth. How many children are now sex slaves? They cannot be allowed to win. Speaking of Izium. What did those 414 people see? The Russians thought it was better to murder them and bury them all in a mass grave instead of letting them testify. Whatever they saw must have been truly horrific. At minimum I'm guessing rape and torture. With an average of 150 war crimes per day who knows what they did. (That is a very old number they are way north of over 137,000 documents war crimes a month ago). If Russia wants to sign a treaty they must first prove they will stand by one. If Russia or Putin wants to negotiate, start with your original written agreement. Putin on January 28, 2003 signed the border agreement. He has since signed several other agreements he doesn't honor. Pull back all of their troops back behind their original border and then you can start negotiations. If they don't show they will honor the original agreement how can anyone expect them to honor any further agreements. It's our war to lose. Russia canNOT win. Unless we choose to not support Ukraine of course. It is on us in the global West to pick the world we want to live in. Choose wisely. Thanks. Glory to Ukraine. God Bless the children, Ukraine, and her people. God bless the heros 🇺🇦🇺🇸
Amazing episode … as always. Many thanks for the opinions and knowledge being shared with your listeners that desperately want a future for Ukraine that is ‘western’ in values but better for the Ukrainian mindset and wisdom.
Wonderful conversation, huge gratitude to both of you gentlemen ! Ukrainian writer Oksana Zabuzhko used to say that Belarus surrendered and has been totally colonized by russians because they didn't have Taras Shevchenko . The idea of fight for freedom , against injustice, against subjugation of any kind is intrinsic in al his poetry. Long ago, when it was forbidden to keep the Bible in the house, during the communist period, Ukrainian peasants kept in their houses Kobzar, the whole collection of Shevchenko's poems. 🇺🇦🇺🇦👏👏👏✌️✌️✌️♥️♥️♥️
Some of the countries are, or rather, their weak kneed politicians, but many are not. Economically, and even militarily the EU is far more powerful than russia, it is the nuclear bluff which has cowed weak characters like Scholz.
Ukrainians are awesome people,welcoming,warm,good,descent,hard working,traditional,smart and inovating..we CANNOT abandon or force them to give in to Russia or something like that..Ukraine must win and we must help them!.if Russia gets away with this they gonna be a complete nightmare to handle in future,make no misstake.🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇸🇪🇬🇧🇺🇲👍
Thanks, Johnathan; I came across Phil Ittner in his interview with Ben Hodges. I think all of us in this Ukraine bubble recognize the importance of this war for the world, apart from the fact that different from so many other conflicts around the world, there is a clear right vs wrong, good vs evil side to it. I wish that someday US policy may be guided -- like one of your interviewees, Alexander Vindman said-- by moral values, as opposed to "realpolitik."
I REMEMBER "MARINA K". I went to school in New York with Students who identified themselves as Ukrainian!!! Thing is, I met them when neither of Tian An Men Square nor the Fall of the Berlin Wall had yet happened!!! The Soviet Union was still big and menacing!!! Yup!!!
You raise a good point: Crimea is no longer tenable for russia. The Black Sea is a death-trap for them. The land itself is insupportable since they themselves blew the Zaphoriza damn. It's only actual value is as a possible tourist destination. 🏴🇨🇦✌️🇺🇦
Question to US citizens: how do you feel paying trillions to military that is afraid to send few missiles to Ukraine, while poor Ukraine isn't afraid to invade damn russia?
Speaking of Jill Stein, you should take a look at the party policy of the Canadian Green party. There's a lot of similarity that makes me wonder whether or not "Green Party" is just codeword for Russian plant.
There is now a website for expats and overseas US residents to vote from where they are around the world. Check online with your embassy and register to vote in your state of residence.
I would recommend Gen Ben Hodges as Secretary of Defense but he may be more valuable right where he is in Germany, Adam Kissinger as the alternate to the NSA or Pete Buttegieg move over from transportation. They all have military backgrounds and either political or statesmanship qualifications unlike many past appointees.
This vlog is award winning, the selfless category; a victory for just selfless society. The Canadian funded ru propaganda film is award winning, the selfish category; a verdict for guilty selfish gang. Slava Ukraini
But what is the role of the source of all power - the American electorate -- and Americans who choose to remain outside the electorate i.e. party structures? Defining and teaching activism is priority number one if a democracy is to survive. Defense and Activism laziness pervades Americans due to our geographical safety.
"I'm not absolving Ukrainians of their agency - they're responsible for their own corruption..." - brilliant 👏 Thank you for the great guest, Jonathan!
Thank you. Great discussion. Nice to hear the acknowledgment and awareness that Ukraine has been suffering under Russian oppression for centuries. I don’t know how many people know this but it is so true. Centuries not decades.
Great conversation. Joe Biden is this generation's great and shameful appeaser. I dont share Philil's optimism, the fine Ukrainians deserve better. but so it goes. Slava Ukraini.
In spite of having had a pacifist leaning my entire life, I was a hardliner from day one of Putin's attack. Funny thing is, that this description most likely is true for millions of citizens in the Nordic countries. When we were presented with a different reality, we changed our attitude accordingly.
Please don’t expect Harris to be similar to Biden..or Obama. She was a prosecutor, and she’s not getting told to do nothing…she’s a leader.. moving forward..
Clearly, the West should have supported Ukraine militarily much more massively and instantly, even before 2022, going back to 2014. The policy of what is referred to as “Incrementalism” is not only a moral mistake: ironically, it also has brought us closer to an all-out military conflict between Russia and NATO.. It should be abandoned at once. To quote Professor John Keegan, “The First World War”, Ch. III, “The Crisis of 1914”, p. 51, regarding Austria’s response to the murder of her Crown Prince and spouse by Pan-Slavic Serbian nationalists: “…in retrospect it is tempting to surmise that, had she [Austria] struck at once in anger, trumpeting dynastic wrath and righteous belief in Serbia’s guilt, Europe might have allowed her to mount positive measures without outside interference”. This is due to inertia, especially important for a country the size of Russia, then and now. That Democracy is being challenged actually may be too optimistic: it already is, not in the least because whether win or lose the electoral college, coming g November in the United States, Trump will give us a choice we never asked for: his Presidency with or his Presidency without the help of AR-15 Militia and the Supreme Court.
WWI was a catastrophe but I’d like to see the rest of that quote. This is a vast over-simplification of a complicated situation. Austria-Hungary was a failing, flailing, dying Empire in 1914.
@@GrahamCStrouse I appreciate that, but the generic aspect in this example is independent of stability of Austria itself and its allies, but instead is about an attack on a vast and and inefficiently managed Empire (Russia), in 2022 and then in 1914, needed to be assessed in its ability and willingness to go to war over territories exterior to its own, for reasons of Empirical Pride, and timely so. For good understanding, I do not think the threat of an all-out war between Russia and the West is great enough to justify the hesitant policies of the Biden Administration. However, the repeated testing, step-by-step, of Russian resolve to react, caused by incrementalism, probably integrates to an overall risk greater than an immediate provision of all weapons Ukraine could have used, back in 2022, at the latest.
semantics. Human rights IS the term used for what most of us mean visavis individual rights of various sorts. U need to learn the basics !!!!!!!!! Those who are pushed back against the term human rights are mostly part of the neo-reactionary new-right-wing which is attempting to reform language in place for 80 years already!!!!!! All the writers on fascism /totalitarianism from Arendt to Orwell to others warned us that those who do this attempt at altering history etc, rewriting, are often attempting the type of gaslighting that only the likes of Third Reich and the Soviets employed.
Thanks both for supporting Ukraine. Unfortunately is almost to late for usa and europe to understand the gravity of the situation. Even if they lose on the battlefield they already won in the minds of millions of people in the west and not only. Brexit, AfD, Orban, Trump are simptoms of a lost battle.
@@nicolaebulgaru The battle is not lost, not by any means, but the more voices that give the sort of message that your last paragraph states the more possible that it might become true in the future. Don’t be a “useful idiot” for Ru messaging, please.
you should have recited the rest of lincolns quote in that letter about moving to russia: 'where despotism can be taken pure and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.' and that hypocrisy he was speaking about? these two epitomize it.
Agreed, we're WAYYYY past the point of escalation. It's pitiful us in the US aren't doing more. This was a really great episode also!
Political games 😈
Which is appalling when the Ukrainians are paying for the repercussions with their lives. 🫣🥺😥🫡
Thank you to both for another fantastic conversation !… thank you for you fight for freedom and democracy !…
What a great interview. One of the best I've seen in 2 years. Thank you gentlemen.
Very interesting conversation! Thank you! Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦!
Extraordinary interview.
Thank you, Jonathan and Philip, for a wonderful conversation. I fully agree with Philip that Jonathan's channel is crucial and I thank you so much for all the hard work. Similarly, Philip's work has been amazing and if we wouldn't have had voices like yours, Ukraine would have been buried altogether. You both managed to raise enough heads who have been "awakened" and follow ever since. The pro-Ukrainian community might be small but as a group we are strong. If not for individuals like you two, Ukraine might have far less support. Thank you, for being tired, but nevertheless continue to report on and support Ukraine.
🇺🇦 Перемоги та миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦
Phil is always worth listening to - another excellent episode.
Great episode. Kudos and credibility to Phil for coming to Ukraine to see what's happening for himself.
Bravo! Great video. Love both of your work!
I appreciate your support for Ukraine by selecting very knowledgeable individuals to expose the deception of the Russian political system. Phil is one of those people.
As someone who was born in late Soviet Union, Putin’s Russia has nothing to do with the intellectual and military capacity of the Soviet Union (and even the latter was exaggerated and overestimated by the West). The only thing Russians have been consistently and increasingly successful in is bluffing and deceiving the West.
Subscribed to both your channels. Both of you put out excellent content. 🔱Slava🇺🇦Ukraini🔱
Ditto from Australia.
Great effort
Two of my favorites, Jonathan it's great seeing two strong voices together. Thanks.
For me it's all about the children. Never forget all of the Russians who abused children and their families in Ukraine. From the mass graves (in Izium) to the stolen children. Now if Ukrainian parents don't become Russian citizens and go to fight against their brothers and cousins Russia will take their newborn children at birth. How many children are now sex slaves? They cannot be allowed to win.
Speaking of Izium. What did those 414 people see? The Russians thought it was better to murder them and bury them all in a mass grave instead of letting them testify. Whatever they saw must have been truly horrific. At minimum I'm guessing rape and torture. With an average of 150 war crimes per day who knows what they did. (That is a very old number they are way north of over 137,000 documents war crimes a month ago).
If Russia wants to sign a treaty they must first prove they will stand by one. If Russia or Putin wants to negotiate, start with your original written agreement. Putin on January 28, 2003 signed the border agreement. He has since signed several other agreements he doesn't honor. Pull back all of their troops back behind their original border and then you can start negotiations. If they don't show they will honor the original agreement how can anyone expect them to honor any further agreements.
It's our war to lose. Russia canNOT win. Unless we choose to not support Ukraine of course. It is on us in the global West to pick the world we want to live in. Choose wisely. Thanks.
Glory to Ukraine. God Bless the children, Ukraine, and her people. God bless the heros 🇺🇦🇺🇸
The west is not in charge of the world
Amazing episode … as always. Many thanks for the opinions and knowledge being shared with your listeners that desperately want a future for Ukraine that is ‘western’ in values but better for the Ukrainian mindset and wisdom.
Phil is an awesome guy
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE GUEST SPEAKER
"Rights come from our creator"
Bravo!!
Very Jeffersonian
Love Phil Ittmer!
Great work, Jonathan!! 🙏💙🇺🇦🇺🇸
Perfect topic
Well said...❤
I recommend Ben Hodges as the USA's National Security Advisor. It should be done now.
I don’t know who will head up the NSA. I do know it won’t be Jake Sullivan.
Congrats on many key points! keep up the great work guys
Wonderful conversation, huge gratitude to both of you gentlemen ! Ukrainian writer Oksana Zabuzhko used to say that Belarus surrendered and has been totally colonized by russians because they didn't have Taras Shevchenko . The idea of fight for freedom , against injustice, against subjugation of any kind is intrinsic in al his poetry. Long ago, when it was forbidden to keep the Bible in the house, during the communist period, Ukrainian peasants kept in their houses Kobzar, the whole collection of Shevchenko's poems. 🇺🇦🇺🇦👏👏👏✌️✌️✌️♥️♥️♥️
Thoughly enjoyed this segment! Again.
Thank you for your dedication. 🇺🇦👍
If only there was more people like Phil.
Phillip brings up such interesting points.
Thank you for your coverage and insights
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EU is afraid of Russia and I don't blame them. But as General B Hodges said the price for not action or late support to Ukraine will be high.
Some of the countries are, or rather, their weak kneed politicians, but many are not. Economically, and even militarily the EU is far more powerful than russia, it is the nuclear bluff which has cowed weak characters like Scholz.
Depends which part of EU you refer to.
@@CollectiveDefence Exactly, basically it's Germany, Scholz to be precise.
Ukrainians are awesome people,welcoming,warm,good,descent,hard working,traditional,smart and inovating..we CANNOT abandon or force them to give in to Russia or something like that..Ukraine must win and we must help them!.if Russia gets away with this they gonna be a complete nightmare to handle in future,make no misstake.🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇸🇪🇬🇧🇺🇲👍
Respect.
Thanks, Johnathan; I came across Phil Ittner in his interview with Ben Hodges. I think all of us in this Ukraine bubble recognize the importance of this war for the world, apart from the fact that different from so many other conflicts around the world, there is a clear right vs wrong, good vs evil side to it. I wish that someday US policy may be guided -- like one of your interviewees, Alexander Vindman said-- by moral values, as opposed to "realpolitik."
I think if Biden would be bolder it would benefit Harris politically. I’ve been writing that to them since June.
I REMEMBER "MARINA K". I went to school in New York with Students who identified themselves as Ukrainian!!! Thing is, I met them when neither of Tian An Men Square nor the Fall of the Berlin Wall had yet happened!!! The Soviet Union was still big and menacing!!! Yup!!!
Huh?
I am subbed to On The Edge since the interview with Jake Broe popped into my suggested videos.
You raise a good point: Crimea is no longer tenable for russia. The Black Sea is a death-trap for them. The land itself is insupportable since they themselves blew the Zaphoriza damn. It's only actual value is as a possible tourist destination. 🏴🇨🇦✌️🇺🇦
Question to US citizens: how do you feel paying trillions to military that is afraid to send few missiles to Ukraine, while poor Ukraine isn't afraid to invade damn russia?
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦!!! Excellent video! Thank you Johnathan!!!
Speaking of Jill Stein, you should take a look at the party policy of the Canadian Green party. There's a lot of similarity that makes me wonder whether or not "Green Party" is just codeword for Russian plant.
Thank you. It seems that we in the West have forgotten what democracy really is and that it is worthy to fight for.
Smart conversation, thank you!
Great interview
🙏🏼🙏🏼🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
Thanks Johnathan and Phil for a great conversation … 💙💛💙
Like!
❤phil!!♥️
Excellent interview 👍 🇺🇦🇮🇪🇺🇦
There is now a website for expats and overseas US residents to vote from where they are around the world. Check online with your embassy and register to vote in your state of residence.
I would recommend Gen Ben Hodges as Secretary of Defense but he may be more valuable right where he is in Germany, Adam Kissinger as the alternate to the NSA or Pete Buttegieg move over from transportation. They all have military backgrounds and either political or statesmanship qualifications unlike many past appointees.
Love it 👏👏👏
This vlog is award winning,
the selfless category;
a victory for just selfless society.
The Canadian funded ru propaganda film is award winning,
the selfish category;
a verdict for guilty selfish gang.
Slava Ukraini
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
Amen.
But what is the role of the source of all power - the American electorate -- and Americans who choose to remain outside the electorate i.e. party structures? Defining and teaching activism is priority number one if a democracy is to survive. Defense and Activism laziness pervades Americans due to our geographical safety.
Thanks!
"I'm not absolving Ukrainians of their agency - they're responsible for their own corruption..." - brilliant 👏
Thank you for the great guest, Jonathan!
Very good choice
Such a great and valuable perspective
Great Guy Philip. but dont I do "X" Musk yuk and not chasing Apple. Good interview!
Great Show Johnathon
Thank you. Great discussion. Nice to hear the acknowledgment and awareness that Ukraine has been suffering under Russian oppression for centuries. I don’t know how many people know this but it is so true. Centuries not decades.
Putin....our man in the Whitehouse!?
Praying for Victory for Ukraine 🙏🇺🇦 ❤
define victory
I think the US need to give everything Ukraine wants, and more.
Balin's beard!!! Rivals the Dwarf kings of old!
Great conversation. Joe Biden is this generation's great and shameful appeaser. I dont share Philil's optimism, the fine Ukrainians deserve better. but so it goes. Slava Ukraini.
What black sea ?… the black sea is totaly lost by russia !… the black sea will become another nato lake like the baltic sea !… 😂
In spite of having had a pacifist leaning my entire life, I was a hardliner from day one of Putin's attack. Funny thing is, that this description most likely is true for millions of citizens in the Nordic countries. When we were presented with a different reality, we changed our attitude accordingly.
The Yanks are doing a great job, defending ruSSian airfields, missile launching pads, arsenals etc.
Uuuupp!!
Putin is «riding on a tiger»
I agree. Unfortunately, our Coward in Chief doesn't.
Please don’t expect Harris to be similar to Biden..or Obama. She was a prosecutor, and she’s not getting told to do nothing…she’s a leader.. moving forward..
Who would have thought Monica Lewinski would have grown up to be the Democratic Candidate for President of the United States?
Clearly, the West should have supported Ukraine militarily much more massively and instantly, even before 2022, going back to 2014.
The policy of what is referred to as “Incrementalism” is not only a moral mistake: ironically, it also has brought us closer to an all-out military conflict between Russia and NATO.. It should be abandoned at once.
To quote Professor John Keegan, “The First World War”, Ch. III, “The Crisis of 1914”, p. 51, regarding Austria’s response to the murder of her Crown Prince and spouse by Pan-Slavic Serbian nationalists:
“…in retrospect it is tempting to surmise that, had she [Austria] struck at once in anger, trumpeting dynastic wrath and righteous belief in Serbia’s guilt, Europe might have allowed her to mount positive measures without outside interference”.
This is due to inertia, especially important for a country the size of Russia, then and now.
That Democracy is being challenged actually may be too optimistic: it already is, not in the least because whether win or lose the electoral college, coming g November in the United States, Trump will give us a choice we never asked for: his Presidency with or his Presidency without the help of AR-15 Militia and the Supreme Court.
WWI was a catastrophe but I’d like to see the rest of that quote. This is a vast over-simplification of a complicated situation. Austria-Hungary was a failing, flailing, dying Empire in 1914.
@@GrahamCStrouse I appreciate that, but the generic aspect in this example is independent of stability of Austria itself and its allies, but instead is about an attack on a vast and and inefficiently managed Empire (Russia), in 2022 and then in 1914, needed to be assessed in its ability and willingness to go to war over territories exterior to its own, for reasons of Empirical Pride, and timely so.
For good understanding, I do not think the threat of an all-out war between Russia and the West is great enough to justify the hesitant policies of the Biden Administration. However, the repeated testing, step-by-step, of Russian resolve to react, caused by incrementalism, probably integrates to an overall risk greater than an immediate provision of all weapons Ukraine could have used, back in 2022, at the latest.
Its been the Brits going first all the way through with tanks misiles and other bits and Europe aswell.
Sullivan does what ever Biden says
The American Project regarding the Judicary is flawed. I refer you to SCOTUS decisions and democracy. Look to a British project. ...not quite as bad.
It’s not human rights - it’s the individual first … the state is there to serve the individuals and there progress into a better life !
semantics. Human rights IS the term used for what most of us mean visavis individual rights of various sorts. U need to learn the basics !!!!!!!!! Those who are pushed back against the term human rights are mostly part of the neo-reactionary new-right-wing which is attempting to reform language in place for 80 years already!!!!!! All the writers on fascism /totalitarianism from Arendt to Orwell to others warned us that those who do this attempt at altering history etc, rewriting, are often attempting the type of gaslighting that only the likes of Third Reich and the Soviets employed.
america was created to stand up to globalism. not try and show everyone how its done in passive aggressive fashion.
Thanks both for supporting Ukraine. Unfortunately is almost to late for usa and europe to understand the gravity of the situation. Even if they lose on the battlefield they already won in the minds of millions of people in the west and not only. Brexit, AfD, Orban, Trump are simptoms of a lost battle.
I understand your concern but I disagree with your doomer assessment.
@@nicolaebulgaru The battle is not lost, not by any means, but the more voices that give the sort of message that your last paragraph states the more possible that it might become true in the future.
Don’t be a “useful idiot” for Ru messaging, please.
you should have recited the rest of lincolns quote in that letter about moving to russia: 'where despotism can be taken pure and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.' and that hypocrisy he was speaking about? these two epitomize it.
Ukraine got played
Desperate
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦!!! Excellent video! Thank you Johnathan!!!
Great interview
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦!!! Excellent video! Thank you Johnathan!!!