What Were They Thinking -- Dangerous Electrical Installation
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- Опубликовано: 14 ноя 2020
- @thomas nagy @N Bundy Electrical @CJR ELECTRICAL
Hi guys right today was a bit different. This is one, dangerous electrical installation, What were they thinking.
I had no plans to film today but I couldn't help it this installation was so bad It made me film it. so that being said its a bit of a rant so I apologies in advance. We have to replace the consumer unit as it is beyond repair and discover some shocking truths about the current installation which is supposed to be safe.
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Those poor clients at least they are in good hands Mike. Quality work from you as always
I don't know why you changed the board, it just needed fixing to the wall and the holes covering. 🤔
A really nice consumer board installed by a cowboy. We have one of those boards in our house. Great board and so easy to properly install. Good that you were able to do it right for the customer.
U could of cut a slot accross top of board bit of packsalen then 4x4 trunking no need to change the board
It’s called taking pride in the job which sadly today is becoming very rare
I would be ashamed to say I had anything to do with that board,it’s unsafe and shocking workmanship excuse the pun !
Attitudes have changed so much today , it’s all about get in ,get out as fast as you can, as you said in the video it’s TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN ATTITUDE.
You are a true professional who takes pride in your work and a credit to your profession.
These RUclips sparkie vids have armed me, a layman, with enough basic electrical knowledge to never allow a cowboy ‘electrician’ to bodge my house ever again. Thank you.
A sign of a proper craftsman is "doing the right thing when nobody is looking" and that certainly applies to your company. Well done.
Thanks for your kind words👍👍 for me now it’s showing James our new apprentice what’s write from wrong
@@GreenHawkConstructionltd Right!
Hi guys hope you remember me (dip stick) from Kent you gave me a bit of advice on what fuse box I should use well I just wanted to update you I got a box mounted it on the wall didn't have any screw's so I had to use 6"nail's done me a favour really I can hang pictures on the wall in the front room now ok I plumbed it in worked out pretty good the garage door works the fish pond works the power sockets work but I can't get the lights working up down up down up down no they won't work and then would you believe it my next door neighbor comes around and asks me to have a look at her kitchen light it keep's going on and off.thank's guys for your help you were the only one's that replied.(ps just remembered you were the only one's I asked.) Hope this made you smile.
This confirms why I prefer to DIY as I don’t trust “tradesmen” after being conned more than once.
I'd love to carry out an EICR at your house I bet it's a minefield!
@@ChrisTheSparky come and do it. The last one was fine. I have every confidence it’s cushty because as a DIYer I have a Fluke 1664 FC and know how to operate it and know what readings mean. I also have a copy of 7671 and the on-site guide and Codebreakers. We can debate the use of codes couldn’t we? So yeah feel free to take up the challenge....so yeah come round and we can compare results from our MFTs
@@montystelevision3238 best response ever tbh
I often do small things myself (Don't have equipment to test it so I don't run new circuits or anything like that)
I prefer to just do small things if I have repair or replace small details like a cracked socket or a basic light fitting
LOL Maybe this could be a youTube video. Skilled Electrician v DIYer in an EICR. Using a 16th edition installation.
@@montystelevision3238 lol
yeah
How come you didn't re-use the Schneider Easy9 + or purchase a empty unit with a SPD (if too many holes?) that would have saved the customer a little which seem to be of a concern? if they just wanted it safe I think that would have been adequate, maybe not? Great video and a rant is understandable .
Damn! that was rough. Nice video. I always enjoy yours stuff. Cheers for sharing.
cheers buddy glad you like them👍
Love watching you and dont worry your not ranting. John
They all do it, had a council contractor sign a faulty ring main as safe with bad insulation which went bang in the following months. He also didn't bother to change the light switches or sockets (was requested) which were clapped out as they were 100% original fittings from 1979 with various faults like socket shutters stuck open.
Some people just don't give a f*** as long as they get paid, and it stains everyone else.
"All I want from people is to do a decent job"
Unfortunately, that is a huge ask nowadays, but even more so in the building trade.
Who can clients trust based upon accreditation? Something needs to be done to eradicate these merchants of such shoddy work. Well done for showing, now they need reporting.....
Hager. I use them in Australia. They are pretty good. I don't like having a main RCD for a heap of sub-circuits. I use RCBOs (combination) for every circuit now.
100%
Bonjour sparky
The amount of long days I've done , we should be grateful for being in health & work , mine you we fall asleep easy when you hit the pillow , keep up the good jobsworth ✌
Fair comments ! Good video
Mike, your frustrations are justified. I used to have to go outside to the truck and have a rant myself over pissed over no count work. These clients have been jacked over bad mate. I believe you are their solution to a safe install. Bad techs will be with us. I learned from a Master Electrician. No slack and no jokes. I am how I am because of him.Best man I have worked with and for in this trade. Don’t get eaten by this mate. You can’t make them right, but you can do right and help these poor clients that haven’t been played a square hand. Go Mike, glad you care mate! Stay safe mates!😊👍🏻😷
Thanks for that buddy 🤙🤙
Shoddy, yes, but dangerous? I'm not sure. I have seen much worse. When I started to watch the vid I expected something far worse. Anyway, new to the channel and have subscribed!
All valid points. Rant warranted mate. 👍🏾
Your professional and you care that is the minimum people can expect - well done to you mate👍 As for the cowboys shop them to the regulators before they kill someone - as professionals we maintain the standards of our respective disciplines and cowboys need to be called out and stopped. Thank you for posting - full respect to you for posting and sorting the issue for those folks👍👍
Very kind mate and much appreciated 🤙
Hi mate... Its very easy to find fault with other sparkys work however you are completely right 👍
That's a sub standard job in anyone's eyes.
Feel your pain from a fellow registered sparky 👍
those stranded solid cores need crimping before putting in the terminals... safety!
Yes but u are a good person and a good sparks mate keep it up great stuff u are genuine
I appreciate that!
That’s really dreadful to see an install that bad, especially from a registered Electrical firm.. nice to see it put right and safe well done 👍🏼
I like a good rant,subbed
SHOCKING never seen anything like this in my 40 y as an elect.inspector
Pity they're not all like you lad. Good job
Good rant .Shocking and to think they got paid for that. They should never work again. Good on you it's so frustrating.
Yes had another one today. Same deal another very sub standard job to say the least
@@GreenHawkConstructionltd sadly all too common nowadays.
Stay safe !!! Isolate and check.👌
Here's a question...why do the spots need to be fire rated ?
Is it because the light fitting / electronics could burst into flame and thus compromise the room above OR because the fitting has punched a hole through the fire barrier formed by the plaster board ceiling ?
(In which case placing a transformer/PSU in the void between the ceiling and floor above would be a no-no ?)
In this video, is the bathroom a single storey extension ?
Before I start let me say I can see you are a great sparks who takes his job very seriously and my comments don’t apply to you. I sympathise with your views I have inherited a number of installation performed by accredited companies where the work was shocking. We are told to always seek out accredited firms to avoid workmanship like this. The fault lies with the accrediting organisations who don’t police the work. As you said in a previous reply nothing will happen to this firm and this standard of workmanship will continue. Where do we go? I have been forced down the DIY route and I will stand by this position while you guys keep finding workmanship like this.
could you not have purchased another Schneider board and reused the breakers? I'd be inclined to give the other electrician a call and make him aware you're on to him, they might book their ideas then.
knightsTemplar reusing would have been a very good idea. I really didn't see the need for a new board. Correct gland for the tails, intumescent membrane cable entries for the holes on top to make it IP4X and then use the trunking.
Funny thing I came across on one of the jobs as well I thought I will mention is NIC registered spark done an EICR and put down no cpc's are present on lighting circuit but had R1+R2 readinds for them just wonder how he managed to take them lol.
He did the cert while he was sitting in his van plucking his figures out of thin air
Good video mate a and contractors with bad quality of workmanship should be de registered in my book but once again it's all about the money by the scheme provider's
Unfortunately it’s all to common
If you want something done right - do it yourself! I have come across so many problems, serious problems, with “professional” wiring and I have to check everything (except gas) after a tradesman has left.
Yep I agree . Most of the time you can do a better job yourself.
Great work ! You don’t rant often so it must have been bad 👍🏻
Yes to be honest with you I try and stay focused on my own work and the work that we at green hawk carry out but this really pushes my buttons
I have always thought if it's not good enough for you, don't do it for someone else. It can't take that much longer if any to do a good job.
Be good if your areas nic inspector will see this vid for proof of your customer wants to take this further,let's face it a good sparkey is made from how he was taught,it takes no longer to do the job properly then bodge ,unless that's the way he was taught 👍
Oh that's neat 8:23 👌👏
Just wondering if some cables aren't too long to stick this way out?
Why can't you use the old board? Looked like it was in good shape
Was the work not checked by Niceic.
When I had my home rewired the inspector from Niceic came and checked everything.
No they don't come and check every rewire, you take them to a job of your choosing on the annual assessment day. So this is what makes this worse, these cowboys they'll do one perfect job just for the inspector to pass the assessment but then have the gall to fuck up all other jobs after that.
Why could you not use the old dis board ?
I'm afraid alot of trades are the same....some care ...others think of the money
Mike there should be no copper showing on terminations in the DB mate
Mike that's well under par for electrical installation work, not safe at all, what we're they thinking dangerous.
We only fir RCBO boards now unless it’s a Newbuild that we have done
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The reason he’s taken the board off is that he needs to put HIS material on the job to say that his stuff is new and ok and not rely on other workers material I thought that would be obvious you can’t guarantee other people’s work you have to start a fresh 🇬🇧
Complete bullshit, it wasn't that bad. Could've easily made it good.
@Dusty 99 shut up you doughnut. The thing was practically brand new
@@londontrada he probably had a new complete board in his van with all the correct bits. Would you want to waste your time sourcing the replacement parts for the broken Schneider board
@@ChrisTheSparky What replacement parts?
Just to follow-up on what you say about doing your best with a job, if that there best then they shouldn't be doing electrics. People spend years go to college to learn the right way for these people to get away with bad work, to me that sound unfair but until things change and a system is made where electrician have to all be registered by law then these thing will happen.
The thing is he is registered how scary is that
Did it need another new board? Their 4th 😂. If it was all rcbo I could understand it.
That's what I was thinking, old board looked fine and its a split board with rcds. Schneider boards are good boards. just seems a bit of an expense that's not necessary.
I thought he said the panel covering the bus bars was destroyed? Surely, that is reason enough to replace the board.
@@chrisallen6010 yeah but a new bus bar cover is a lot cheaper than a new db. And the amount of times I've heard someone say they haven't done any work or had any done. then found the fault and a newly fitted light or fixture.
@@keithstirton7049 Fair enough.
@@chrisallen6010 Cheers it's nice to have a civil discussion on here for a change. and to be fair the client maybe asked for a new db. And the customer is always right. lol
You should really be getting the client to report this back to the Niceic as a complaint. The certificate that was provided for the job covers the job with insurance for this exact reason! The client shouldn’t be paying you again. Hope you explained this process to them
Definitely needs reporting its just rough. Any money someone is signing off someone else work
This entire industry is in a bad state if you ask me, I left and went to work as an electrician on trains fault finding and servicing and some wiring modifications for break systems I’m much happier in the engineering side of our trade, the instillation game was ruined from the day that you could become a qualified electrician with out doing an apprenticeship kids getting gold cards and NICEIC approved status and they’ve never even had any onsite training just went to college 3 days a week for 2 years and mucked around.It’s sad the industry has been completely monopolised and de skilled, and the JIB rates I mean my gosh good luck trying to provide for a family and pay a Morgage on those rates sad times for the building services sector.
Nice tidy job, glad the other lot are house bashing and not cabling for Airbus!!
Good vid but did you not split the circuits over the D/B ? There was 7 circuits on one RCD
Yes there is more circuits to go in once I have fixed the faults 👍
Thought you might of fitted an rcbo board, as you didn't why not use the old board?
Good job by the way 👍
Hi good point but it comes down to price why we didn’t fit a rcbo board and the board that was originally installed had been cut up like Swiss cheese and there was no way I would reuse that 👍
Fair enough👍
You obviously did a great job but I don't see how using the knockouts rendered the old board useless? If you moved it and remounted it securely, and used the right stuffing gland/s, and used grommets and trunking, and bought a new busbar cover, it would have been just like the new one. If it came down to price, surely that would be perfectly safe and the most cost effective solution.
Spot on do the right thing, that's why people don't trust anyone.
8:42 should they have a smoke alarm on the wall?? I thought they’re only meant to go on ceilings?
I'd have to check BS5839 to be sure. I'm pretty sure it's allowed, although ceilings are better
ringmain circuits are a pain in the ass.. everything should be on radial circuit
very worrying, always check with previous clients before engaging them to do any work ,for warned is forearmed.same with any building work.
It looks like junction box ally
Can understand not naming and shaming in public, but does the poor standard of work get reported to the relevant authorities, or are they allowed to continue to endanger customers.....
From my experience with having reported someone before they get the chance to go back to rectify there work but 9 out of 10 customers will never let them back in so they get away with it 😡
Surely, regardless of training it should be common sense to ensure the board is firmly attached to the wall and that all the wire is firmly screwed into the terminal? You can't give any electrician who promotes themselves as being certified a by ball on that installation, it really is a cowboy/lazy effort...
Name and shame.
Whoever fit that first board wants flogging!
💯 my problem is that these are the people that you have to price against and it’s like this all over the country. Oh love your channel aswell mate 👏
@@GreenHawkConstructionltd I'd even have done a better job as a diyer tbh
I like to always follow code to the detail when I do anything tbh
what area is this i think i painted a bedroom and staircase, also the sparky did seem a bit clueless, but was actually a good guy, just ussee......
It was in Coventry mate
@@GreenHawkConstructionltd no thats not the area! shame I see him on various sites all the time, would of been a laugh🤣😉
Do the down lights need to be IP rated even though they are 12 volt?
The next question is whether they're even inside the zones, as 1 and 2 only extend 225 cm from the finished floor. If they're outside the zones, they only need to be fit for purpose, so if there's no obvious signs of water damage, they probably are. In this case the problem is the fire rating though.
@@Ragnar8504 And even then, if the down lights are not fire rated......you can only give it a code 3 on an EICR, providing they are installed correctly. Having a non fire rated down light is not electrically unsafe. You can not code 2 the situation based on building regulations.
Also, it isn’t a given that in all situations building regulations require you to install fire rated down lights. So unless you have knowledge of the building and how it is segregated into fire compartments, if at all......how can you even decide if they need to be fire rated?? Sometimes it’s obvious, but not always.
There are so many electricians out there who have a massive lack of understanding about so many things. Most dangerously though.....they walk around thinking they fully understand! And pass it on to customers.
Is there an agency to whom serious installation errors or standards deviations can (should) be reported?
NICEIC to whome they are registered
Are fire rated down lights required? IP rated definatly. If you listen to one of John Wards RUclips vids on Part P he says they are not really required unless you have a 3 story building or a flat as you have a means of escape? Unless i missed something when i watched it? The lack of CPCs could just be loose connections from doing the tests. I do agree this was a bit of shoddy workmanship but like someone else said, could you not keep the Breakers and just get a blank board instead of replacing the lot?
If there is a room above then C2
Thats what i thought but that wasnt how he explained it as if the room above had an opening window then they wornt needed. Carnt seem to find his video now unless he took it down?
A house is generally a single fire compartment so unless you have actually breached a fire compartment like an attached garage ceiling which is fire boarded with 15mm pink board then the fact there’s a room above is irrelevant , you haven’t breached a fire compartment. The fact that most houses don’t have internal fire doors tells you this.
if someone has done a shit and possibly dangerous install your damn right to point it out
Why put L & N on the Brown & Blue,if you don't know what the colours mean,you should not be even touching it!!!!!
Yes completely agree if you don’t know what the colours are you shouldn’t be doing it. It was the chap from western power that replaced those tails from the main cut out fuse to the meter who wrote N and L on I can only presume that it is protocol for them I guess but does it really matter not really thanks for watching 👍
New DB ???😂
Who will subscribe to someone who doesn’t stop moaning, only a little time ago you were moaning that you couldn’t go to work, now your moaning you’ve got to much to do, only joking mate !! 😝love all your vids down to earth and great content keep them up 👍😷🇬🇧
It's the 'nice' guys that can be the conman. They take advantage of their apparent niceness, friendliness, and trustworthiness. Whereas I project an image of complete corruption so that my customers are pleased and utterly surprised when I do a decent job. 🤔😊😆🤪👍
Great workmanship and poor from the original installer. I can understand putting a new board in a better position but I'm perplexed as to why it needed a new board and moving. Seems a lot of labour costs there.
The original board was broken in multiple places and had huge holes in and was no way I would use that 👍 thanks for watching 🤙
My workmanship is good because I am terrified of burning down a house or hurting someone. I don't think I am a good fit for prison.
Shame we didnt see the ‘before’.
Just meet the minimum standards or just meet code. We all will be happy
Thomas nagy's underllng perhaps
🤔🤔🤔 maybe
No heat resistant consumer unit backboard , is that not a requirement.?
No, the requirement is that the consumer unit is manufactured from non combustible material, nothing more.
Do you have to report this to RIDDOR like you would with gas? Genuine question
Not that I am aware of I think the home owner can report to trading standards but most never do
@@GreenHawkConstructionltd just found this may be some use to prevent this issue again Who should report? Only 'responsible persons' including employers, the self-employed and people in control of work premises should submit reports under RIDDOR. If you are an employee (or representative) or a member of the public wishing to report an incident about which you have concerns, please refer to our advice.
Call out the cowboys
Its a shame that the NICEIC don't have more funding to audit more work. Can dangerous work be reported to NICEIC?
Yes owner can report work to nic and get another approved contractor to do the work cost would come from orignal nic installer
Schneider is actually Rolls Royce in these aspects. It's the mounting that has failed. Why not mention their name so other ppl won't have the same issues? That's why internet is for ^^
i would love too but unfortunately i cant due to legality issues
Have you found one my quality jobs ? Usually the reply is works dun it ? I used to say I was better than some but not a good as others .
Name the bastard.....or he will get someone seriously hurt......it has to stop
Surprise Surprise, an electrician slagging off someone elses work. Does my fucking head in.
Name and shame!
I see this kind of shit work all the time and the fookers get away with it , Nic Eic registered my arse , they just stick the logo on their letterheads and invoices and customers just take it for granted they are legit... you should name and shame the fookers , I WOULD
You have to ask the question who's fault is it really, you said you have come across their work before and it's as this job. So with that in mind, you can assume that this is their standard of workmanship, so what are the NIC saying or doing to them, because I would say the NIC are largely to blame.
They are happy to take the £500 each year, I know some will pay more, but they are a money making machine, they are not interested in problems and make it as difficult as possible for customers to complain and drag it out as long as possible.
The whole system is crap and it's mostly down to part p, because as soon as that was introduced standards were watered down so that knob heads could join.
Sir pls I will like to be working with you...
It look ok to me that board,,,,,!,, put new board,,,,,rip off the customer,,,,😒
this is why i do it myself... electricians are cowboys these days
I think one should say "Just do the work to regulation" and not just do your best? I would send the video to higher management of said company because someone needs to have their arse kicked
There is no requirement for fire-rated fittings unless the space above is a separate residence.
This is not correct - if you have to have a fire rated ceiling then it needs fire rated light fittings.
@@CrazyLogic And you need a "fire-rated" ceiling in which situations? What I'm getting at is that not all recessed light fittings have to be fire-rated.
@@simonabbott7323 as soon as you have a 3rd floor/loft conversion in the UK, you need a protected staircase, any ceiling under this would need to be fire rated. Just one such example.
Does not take much more effort to do it correct the first time 😣
Be more like David Savery- Rant at shite work by others and force the issue. Shite work is shite work...have fun
Feel for the customer but you’re not that much better in the respect you’ve given them them a split load board. Either use the old one which is same as your one, obv no SPD, or supply a RCBO board
Like I have said in previous posts it really does come down to price but if you watch the following vid I explain more 👍
Do the public a service and name and shame that person/ company to save someone else the hassle of paying twice. Ta
I would but I think a law suit my follow unfortunately funny old world really
@@GreenHawkConstructionltd next time you run across one have the property owner make a qck video of their work and than another showing yours than they can name them and say the 1st guys name looked very strange and off as opposed to this work tht seems more money will spent. than tag it in all your vids. allegedly is a very safe term even in the sue happy lawsuit land of the free
Don’t worry I know your not the best coz I am 😁, well done for sorting out that shit show.
🤣🤣🤣 cheers matey 👍
@Dusty 99 hey dusty, fancy a beer sometime ?
think its bad practise not fitting rcbo's personally
I agree with that but unfortunately it comes down to the customers budget and don’t forget there’s also more work involved which I had warned them that I suspected there would be so you can understand from there point of view. As it goes I did try and get a 21 way fuse box rcbo board for them and us to make up the difference as they’re existing customers but I can’t get one for anything at the moment 👍