American Reacts Will Turkey and Greece go to War?
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2023
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Let’s keep in mind this was the main reason for French President Macron’s claim « NATO is brain dead ». It came after repeated threats from Turkey to Greece and France sent warship to support the Greeks. Turkey then illegally engaged against French warships. France lodged a formal complaint to Nato.
NATO’s current Secretary General J. Stollenberg showed (again) his total uselessness by burying France’s claim and sat on his hands (his position is not a military one, he’s a diplomat unable to do diplomacy even between member states). Hence Macron stating NATO’s brain death. French-Turkish relationships have improved since then, Macron and Erdogan pat each other’s back as soon as a camera’s around, but the situation on the ground hasn’t really changed. So back to square one.
So the likely answer to your question « what would nato do? » is « not much ». The alliance can’t really afford to lose Turkey, let alone to see it side with adverse powers. Exactly like the EU, NATO is in a tricky situation and does its best to keep it close, but not too close.
Interesting to note that, during the Greek euro crisis, the Troika asked Greece for huge cuts in their spendings but their military budget was the only part to avoid any decrease (Germany, main greek supplier of weaponry, made sure of that).
German & Turks also cooperated in WWII nothing new here lol.
The Germans also left the door open for Russias influence in Europe. They were only forced to intervene to de escalate the situation in this case and send a clear message to Turkey way too late and only after Russias invasion in Ukraine afraid of being accused again of cooperating with bullies. Dont get me wrong.. I love Germans but sometimes they are too optimistic or naive idk.
i will just say france is supporting a coup in lybia openly while turkey is on the un backed govermants side while many other nations are kicking out france and inviting turkey. literally any geopolitical issue france is involved in most definitly the other side is in the right. maybe the only conflict they ever had a moral high ground in was ww2 and even that i would question.
1:06 NATO is a defensive alliance. Aggresor from NATO is still agressor.
The commentary is interesting. I've got to disagree with the idea of being angry at a country asserting it's interest being naive. There are perfectly ligitimate reasons to be angry about a war taking place due to a country asserting it's interests. I think anger is a legitimate response to aggression especially when said aggression is being taken out on innocent folks who have to suffer for it as they have throughout history
This is scary when you think about it because it shows how fragile living in peacetime really is. Right now Russia Ukraine conflict is going on with risks of it escalating into Poland via Kaliningrad from Belarus. Let’s pray for all our souls it does not… China and Taiwan, the tension between those two territories. Palestine and Israel. North Korea and South Korea. Nigeria and other countries in Africa siding alongside China and Russia against the West, especially in recent news against the French embassy in Nigeria. In Argentina as well, how they are trying to turn latin America against Britain over the territory of the Falkland Islands. And now the tensions between Turkey and Greece over occupied parts of Cyprus. It’s crazy how one region could easily disrupt into chaos which could lead to other regions and countries doing the same and the potential for WW3. Why does man always do this when egos clash with each other and their hunger for power and control over land and resources. We will destroy ourselves in the end, so it seems.
As of the matter of who owns the islands, this has been resolved with past war treaties. The islands are Greek except 2 of them. The dispute is only about territorial waters. Greece evokes international law of the sea (unclos), Turkey says it's unfair because it narrows their navy down to their shores. a) An international court may give a solution if Turkey accepts Unclos, but Turkey will lose 90% of their claims, b) war will break out, which will destroy both countries culturaly and economicaly, including Cyprus, c) current status will continue forever, with cooperation between the 2 countries, but then Greece looses many of their international rights and lawful interests. I'm towards solution a), meaning Greece gains the most rightfully, but also Turkey gains more than they deserve historically
they only think turkey deserve historical is to admit on the massive genocides they have commit and stop occupied greece land. like all of all the west side
Maybe if the US were to also sign the UNCLOS treaty, the rest of nations like Turkey would follow aswell. Turkey, US, Canada, Israel etc are some of the only countries that haven't signed it.
My grandparents live in southern cyprus. I remember visiting and they drove us into the mountains and you could see down to the Turkish side, it was so strange seeing such a small island divided like that. We’d also go to a beach called lady’s mile near a British army base and watch the planes flying around
I was born in the Turkish side, right next to the buffer zone; I can hear & so wake up to church bells every sunday morning, and can see the skyscrapers across; but I can't go directly go to them nor the church, because the nearest crossing is kilometres away.
What's strange? When Cyprus became independent, they guaranteed the independence of UK, Greece and Turkey. However, the Greeks living on the island established EOKA and started killing the Turks living on the island. They claimed that the island belonged entirely to the Greeks. The EOKA regime staged a coup against the Republic of Cyprus and the leader of the organization announced that he had taken over the regime. Thereupon, Turkey intervened on the island and guaranteed the life safety of the Turks living on the island. Stop being hypocritical, the Greeks attempted genocide by killing civilian Turks and trying to end the Turkish presence on the island, but you do not have enough dignity to condemn this.
Do not expect an apology from us for not standing by as our compatriots were killed and for not allowing the island to be annexed by Greece. You started the war, we finished it. Search Bloody Christmas
@@sukrubas61 Sigh same old ahistorical Turkish propaganda BS everytime. First of all learn the difference between EOKA and EOKA B. EOKA A was the resistance organisation in 1955-1959 that gave freedom to the island while the Turks along with the British were happy and privileged with the colonial regime. EOKA B was another story, it was a terrorist organisation formed in 1972-1974 with the backup of the CIA and worked as provocateurs, since the USA wanted Cyprus to split in two(which is why the coup of Sampson was organised by the CIA-backed junta, to bring anarchy to the island and the excuse for your barbaric invasion). However it was just a terrorist group that was killing more Greeks who were supporters of the official government than Turks. There were barely any Turkish victims of EOKA B before 1974 and the barbaric Turkish Atilla invasion. Nonetheless the official Greek Cypriot government of Makarios had outlawed and was persecuting EOKA B, therefore your propaganda about EOKA B ''regime'' that was orchestrating genocide is bullcrap. There was no such thing. To claim that the crimes of an outlawed terrorist organisation of a country legitimise another one invading it, is as much rational as Syria or Iraq invading Turkey to claim lands with Syrian or Iraqi minorities simply because the ypg or PKK may be killing innocent Syrians or Iraqis inside Turkey. Cyprus WAS, is and shall always remain Greek. Before your invasion, 90% of the Cypriot population was Greek. Those that inhabit North Cyprus today are illegal settlers of your illegal colonial regime and not real Cypriots, you established them there after you killed and persecuted 150.000 Greek cypriots there. You claim that you wanted to prevent an imaginary genocide when in fact you commited one and then you have the audacity to pretend the victims. We obviously do not expect apology from barbarians who have offered nothing to civilization but death and destruction.
You also have the audacity to mention bloody christmas 1964. Care to mention your Turkish nationalist troops that started all this and what they did to Greek Cypriots?? And how your airforce from Turkey illegaly invaded and bombed the island with Napalm bombs??
Answer to the uploader turkey sea border are 3 miles from turkish coast since the creation of turkey.its just turkey want to change the borders after 100 years of their creation.recently the president of turkey make a speech that he will create a country from Africa Middle east south Europe Balkan.greece is the first target for their imperial dream
It's highly unlikely Greece and Turkey would go to war, Greece is an EU and NATO member whiles Turkey is a NATO member.
Things would escalate quite quickly if a war break out because both the EU and NATO would have no choice but to intervene, if they didn't intervene in a tough war, it could undermine both organisations a lot, so basically, the odds of war between the two are very low, after all, remember that both the EU and NATO have a clause in their treaties that an attack on one is an attack on all, but that would be a bit tricky with Greece and Turkey being a NATO member, but it would be clear-cut for the EU, but even in the case of NATO, if Turkey were to start the war, it's very likely that the rest of the NATO members would have to come to the aid of Greece, otherwise, again, it could undermine the organisations value if they don't.
A few months ago the Turks sent an oil and gas exploration vessel to areas of the Mediterranean legally belonging to Greece, which almost triggered hostilities.
They also escorted with two warships a cargo ship carrying weapons for Syria currently under international embargo, a French Destroyer was illuminated radar which constitutes a serious act of aggression.
Only the exit of the French naval air task force made them retreat.
Turkey under President Erdogan is an aggressive country with far too many ties to Putin's Russia.
This issue will have to be resolved at some point.
Syria being embargoed and sanctioned is disgusting..America and Europe can sail weopens to saudi arabia but Syria can't by or sale oil...Rediculous...Infact America has almost full control of Syrias oil fields.
According to the Greeks, all of Turkey belongs to Greece.
See the issue?
@@Alexander.99500GREECE PART OF TURKİSH LAND LİKE THE OLD OTTOMAN LAND.
your comment is full of lies
first of all, it's Turkish maritime jurisdiction, according to international agreements, most areas of the eastern mediterranean belong to turkeys, greece cannot talk about the eastern mediterranean because it doesn't have a land in the eastern mediterranean.
Secondly, the Turkish army expelled the French and Greek forces from the Mediterranean, it was you who fled again, not the Turks.
Thirdly, Turkey carried weapons to the UN-recognised Libyan government, that is, Turkey did not act illegally, the Greeks did.
@@user-lc7jy4jd4y Your comment is ! According to the international maritime law it is
Greek sea and EEZ . Greece is part of Eastern Mediterranean .Turkey should first sign and follow the maritime law , that applies for all and then talk
Greek navy rules the sea and it was proved in 2020 when turkish frigate Kemal reis
got a big hole by frigate Limnos
Turkey violates the UN arms embargo in Libya ,to a government that is not legal
anymore
I like your perspective. You sir are a realist and very humble as well. Which of course makes probably the best kind of person to react to this kind of content.
Also I agree with you, Turkey calculates the outcome of a war.
It's is too much. Greece has enough weapons to make the attack a waste of money, manpower and time. Plus Greece has very good diplomatic relations with the western NATO powers.
Turkey were always like this .Nothing new .I mean they already took so much land from Greece long ago and they want more now . But they should know .Greeks will fight , we wil not let it pass this time , even if Europe herself is against us .
My Mum's side of the family were part of the exchange of the nations. My Great-Grandmother never saw her brother again.
Article 5. NATO will defend the attacked member, as one. It appears Turkiye is the aggressor, should Turkiye attack Greece, then Turkiye will have to contend with NATO defending Greece. For me, it would be Turkiye's folly if they carried out their threats and visions of grandeur regarding “Mavi Vatan,” or “blue homeland,” against Greece. This would simply be a 'pipe dream' that would end in great remorse and sadness, for Turkiye.
NOPE TURKEY ALLY WİTH ASİAN STATE NOT DREAM SAME WİTH CYPRUS WAR AGAİNST GREEKS.
@@SRAMLiraium Sorry to tell you, you are 'dreaming'. 😴
Article 5 provides that if a NATO Ally is the victim of an armed attack, each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members and will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked. Article 5.
If Turkiye attacked or tried to occupy just one Greek Island it would be a disaster for Turkiye. All members of NATO have agreed to this, including Turkiye.
Turkiye would do this at their own peril and it would prove to be a catastrophe as Turkiye has no business being anywhere near the Greek islands that have been occupied by Greeks for thousands of years. Those days of imperialism ceased when the Ottoman empire became extinct in 1923.
@@panayotisdamianakis3658 YOUR LEARN 1974 CYPRUS WAR EU AND. AMERİCA HELP GREEKS AND LOSİNG AND MODERN DAY TURKEY LARGEST MİLLİTARY İN NATO AND BUİLD MANY WEAPONS AND ALLY WİTH DEVELOP ASİAN NATİONS.
@@panayotisdamianakis3658in your HOMOSEXUAL dreams
@@SRAMLiraium The Huge difference, in case it escaped you is that Greece is a member of NATO, Cyprus wasn't - and it is still an illegal occupation monitored by the UN, an occupation recognised by nobody except Turkey who is a in a complete economic mess. Good luck with Asia, also facing a massive economic decline, the like that world hasn't witnessed for a long, long time.
Can you work out the difference now?
Youe commentary keeps getting better and better. You seem to have grown on us :)
As a Turk I believe the political animosities between both countries will never go beyond "barking" at each other.
captain america: civil war - Real life
Honestly if nato choses to step aside. Then the EU would be the one to defend Greece, as Turkey by invading Greece would be invading the Union. Therefore France, Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, Germany and Co would fully intervined on the Greek side.
Who knows, perhaps Constantinople and other historically Greek territories would be given to Greece, nullifying Nato's need for Turkey in the process
That sounds very delusional. EU is not a military alliance and even if it was, occupying Thrace and Istanbul is still a huge pipe dream. Istanbul alone has a higher population than every Balkan country except for Romania
Only France could intervene with enough force to deter Turkey from doing anything stupld and Greece and Turkey knows it, France would be more than happy to make Ankara an interior sea for Greeks to have a new nice resort
Greeks:
Turkey is the aggressor and they are barbarians, we Greeks are peaceful !
Also Greeks:
We want Istanbul (which we still call Constantinople) back.
We want all of Turkey to be Greek!
One day this will happen.
@@Alexander.99500no we don't have plans like that but sometimes it's good to remind you that the land you are standing is stolen not only from Greeks but other nations as well.so stop be greedy and be thankful instead 😉
@@panosgeorgedimitriou2290where do you think 87 million turkish people come from?
Funnily for this reason both nations meet Nato's 2% target on defence, even when Greece was buggered as an economy. Turkey is the colonial power so will always try and bully.
Réaction turkey 🇹🇷 militaire s'il vous plaît avion
12:20 Turkey has a specific army on the West of country with huge offensive and defensive capabilities and most important thing, it is not part of NATO. So in case of war against Greece, Turkey already has an independent army ready, out of Nato communication and even that army alone is as strong as full Greek army capabilities.
12:38 It is not Turkish claim that islands should be demilitarized, it is part of Lausanne Treaty in 1923, literally Article 12 and 13, both sides are signatures.
Molon Labe Mongols
@@apmoy70 don't leave the owner's side my child
@@apmoy70MONGOLS TURKS RAPED GREEKS TRUE.
Turkey has a whole "not part of NATO " army against the Greek islands ,so Greece has the right to protect the islands
Read the Lausanne Treaty again , Greece has the right of military force and police
@@giorgismaximos8662 TURKEY JOİN ASİAN ALLY CRUSHED GRREKS
I'm surprised that the CIA hasn't done its usual routine of regime change mischief. This time it maybe actually be welcome.
No it absolutely wouldn't be welcome
Hardly likely as the Brits already have a base in the Island.
@@markmorris7123 even if it stops the threat of www3? Got to look at the big picture.
@@timphillips9954 I wasn't talking about Cyprus and we have 2 bases there.
I was referring to Turkey if it becomes a threat to trigger ww3. It didn't take much to trigger ww1 and it wasn't far from there
either.
So Stay retorical, and what do you think will happened ?
you forget a very improtand fact outside....we have a musllims from one side and modern west contry from the other side. it is very difficult to know what will happen in a war scenario. the history saws to us that the number some times is not enough look what happen with big russia and the small uckraine what to do you believe will happen in this complicated situation that the differences it not so big as russia and ukraine? i dont kknow nobodys know....and i hope never to learn.
Turkey claims that Greek islands & water is belonging to Turkey but that couldn't be furhter from the truth, in fact it's the opposite, Turkey thanks to the Ottoman Empire has taken Greek land & Greek cities such as Constantinople, Smyrna etc by force and prior to that a part of the Anatolia was Greek for hundreds of years. And the illegal invasion of Cyprus doesn't make this any better.
Greece learned that lession the hard way, and that's why they are putting defensive soldiers on their islands due to the aggression of Turkey & the daily threats & violations in both Greek air space & water, Greece has no choice but defend their home. And let's not forget that Turkey has a force of rouhly 120 000 thouzand very close to Greece territory so in my eyes Greece is only doing what any other country would do in this type of situation.
Perhaps I'm biased as I'm Greek myself, but I try to look at this from a neutral point of view but in this case I cannot see any justification from the turkish side as of right now. They are the aggressor, they are the ones who keep threatenening Greece with comments like "We will come suddenly one night" or "Our missile can reach Athens" and with all the air and water violations it's clear that Turkey does not want to solve this in a peaceful manner, instead they are a bully and a agressor. Just look how they contunue to blackmail the EU/Nato, most recent Sweden from joining the Nato just to keep getting what they want in return.
Does Turkey sound like a true Nato member to you? Not in my eyes they are not and the fact that Nato keep letting Turkey continue with this behavior says a lot about Nato as a whole and how weak it really is. This kind of behavior wouldn't be acceptable with any other Nato country so why is Turkey so special? Where and when do we draw the line and give Turkey the consequences of their actions?
Who is agressor here when greece claims 97 percent of aegean sea?
@@mikewillis6033 The Aegean Sea belongs only to Greece, it's rightfully theirs and anyone with any history knowledge would know and understand that.
@@Fyrapan90 you live in a dream, soon erdogan will finish you, Fatality.
@@Fyrapan90in your HOMOSEXUAL GYPSY DREAMS
@@mikewillis6033The aggressor is who invaded to Greek M asia with Greek cities and now claims Aegian too lol
Did you had sea and islands in mongolia? Loool
Before I even watch this, I have to say that Greece definitely cannot finance a war and probably neither can Turkey. OK I'm going to watch the video now 😂
OK so NATO would first try to de-escalate the situation by trying to work out a truce, if the conflict continues, NATO would support the defending nation rather than the invading nation and could attack the invading force, but, this would be the ultimate last case scenario
TURKKEY NOT ARE YOU JOKİNG ME LEARNİNG CYPRUS WAR 1974.
heads up cuz this isnot mention on the video. while turkey has more tanks aircrafts and ships. they lost in quality of both skills and technology in sea and air. and i ask you. what the tanks can do to shipd subs and aircrafts. also greece has some of the most well trained soliders in the nato. this scenario seems the same as the one at 1940. the greeko italin war. before you reached a concluson go see how that war played out
These problems existed way before Erdoğan and it will be naive to think that all of this is the result of a "nationalist" government. (ironically, this was the point of presenter in the video.) Opening the video with the word "genocide" and not mentioning the Turkish civilians in the island been murdered everyday before the invasion (which was the primary reason for Turkey to intervene) must be another "naive" approach. Another interesting one was about Demilitarizing the Islands. He only said that "Turks wants islands to be demilitarized." which is strange because he didn't mention the Lausanne Treaty (1923) which says the islands "must" be demilitarized.
I appreciate your approach towards Turkey in this. Much more understanding and respectful.
Peace...
Lol..hey..you have read the treatie or you just reproduce propaganda?.the treatie say turkish coast must be demitalirized the Greek Islands are forbidden to have naval bases and forts and can have military.you want a link to see it yourself?
Ahh yes. Turkey has the right to invades everywhere and has the Aegian army in coast with many landlng ships(?) but Greece havent the right to protect own lands loool
These defence troops are in Greek lands and not in Syria Libya Azeris Iraq etc...
The gendarme of the region want all his puppet ...
In the world maritime law, the islands do not have a continental shelf. They have territorial waters.
continents have a continental shelf. The economic zone is determined over the mainland. In other words, half of the Aegean Sea is the economic region of Greece and the other half of Turkey.
In your dreams
Aegian and islands are Greek
Inhabitable islands with economic rights have EEZ globaly and Greece has the internationlly recognized right for expansion to 12 nm
Μάλλον δεν στα είπαν καλά....ξαναψαχτο
The video is just one sided. I recommend you to watch some other videos from different sides. By the way i am turkish and i dont believe there will be a war.
Broo I'm CRAMIAN TATAR and I'm full with my TURKIS BROTHERS AND SISTERS if war happens you must know that your TATAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS FROM CRAMIA will always will help YOU 🇹🇷🇰🇿🇺🇿🇹🇲🇦🇿🇰🇬☪️💪🏻☝🏻
At war since Trojan War in 1200 BCE.
Do you mean around 1200 AD, when the Turks arrived in Anatolia and started to defeat the Byzantines? In 1200 BC, during the Trojan War, the Turks were still grazing in Central Asia.
@@Maria-js9ou Herodotus says ... they are all Asians, because W Anatolia is Asia Minor. Turks arrived in Anatolia in 1070. Anatolia wasn't Turkey until after that. Turkey as a people then and now extend into Central Asia with similar languages.
@@williambranch4283 ?????????????'
@@Maria-js9ou Many Anatolians are Hittite, Luwian or Trojan by descent
@@williambranch4283You're forgetting about 1000+ years of Hellenization, the Anatolian peoples after Alexander were gradually Hellenised, to the point that in the 4th-5th c. CE Greek was the language they spoke, and culturally they were Romans ie of Greco-Roman conviction and they were Christians. The Islamisation of Anatolia was a long process that started after Manzikert and has been the subject of Dr. Vryonis' thesis in his homonymous book
Like when America attacked and captured the Spanish island in 1892?
Maybe they were spreading democracy?
first learn the history and than you can talking about greece..if greece small lol man greece all the time fight in smoler number be careful kid
I will write down the comment I made on the original video (the one you are commenting on)
I have a question for you (the creator of this video) if you have the guts to answer it.
First let me say that you fail to mention,
Greek and Turkish maritime waters should be 3 miles not 6 miles in accordance with the treaty of Lausanne signed by both countries.
Greek maritime waters are 6 miles but it's airspace is 10 miles. No country in the history of the world has this.
So saying Turkey violates Greek space with jets is as ridiculous as having 10 miles of airspace when your territorial waters are 6 miles.
You speak of the attrocities of the Turks (some are true yes) but you don't speak of the attrocities committed against the Turks.
You fail to mention that for 20 years the Cypriots were killing Turks and nobody did anything.
Innocent people
(if you count Turks as people or human beings of course)
were getting killed until the "invasion" in 1974, after that, no civilians were killed.
You might call that a peace keeping operation.
The Greek president threatened Turkey with nuclear weapons.
Saying:
"We have made a deal with France, so Turkey should be careful, France is the only European country with nuclear weapons, so be careful Turkey"
So my question is,
Is your hypocrisy conscious or subconscious?
Are you being biased on purpose or are you so indoctrinated that you are doing it without realizing?
I await your answer.
(He didn't answer)
I will answer your turkish propaganda.no turkish sea borders are 3 miles from the coast of turkey sign by turkey Europe even Japan.greece has in some islands 6 miles and 10 aerospace not in the islands who face the coast of turkey sign again by turkey and a bunch of countries.greece wants to increase to 12 miles because the law has changed and certainly its not in the direction of turkey like turkey has applied in black sea in a few words turkey don't want Greece to apply the same law turkey already use.as for air violation tell us turkey is a big country why armed jets fly to the sea and not in the mainland when you know your borders stop at 3 miles in sea?now for Cyprus.cyprus is another Greek island which has suffered for centuries under foreign occupation (crusaders ottomans British)the killings you are reference are killing when the island wanted to be free from their last occupation army (Britain)and the turkish settles remands of the previously occupation army were helping the British killing Cypriots as well the famous genocide you say in 20 years are 158 turkish and the Cypriots have 120 more or less people the real genocide was in the peaceful operation as the turkish propaganda say which turkey demands from Cypriots not to unite with the mainland like the rest of Greeks had done after years of fighting for their freedom and you invited with army killing thousands of civilians and occupied illegally the half of the island.one day turk you will pay for all the crimes you have done for centuries people start seeing what monsters you are
@@panosgeorgedimitriou2290
First learn how to read English.
Second , learn how to understand English.
Third, learn how to write in English.
Then you may reply to me.
Try again in a few years.
@@Alexander.99500
My English are fine and from your butthurt answer I understand a lot,now go to sleep with the rest turknazi and leave propaganda on you tube.here is not turkey which everything is told is also believed
@@Alexander.99500 The Greek president threatened Turkey with nuclear weapons.
Saying:
"We have made a deal with France, so Turkey should be careful, France is the only European country with nuclear weapons, so be careful Turkey"
Will you show us the original threat statement ?
@@Alexander.99500 Υou did n't answer
because there has never been such a statement as you wrote threatening Turkey
So you should apologize
Turkey being a bully?? Greece is the country trying to extend its boarders almostvto turkeys coast.. Its complicated,, every country would react the same way.
The border should be in the middle of turkish mainland, and each island. Greece is correct here, dude.
When Greece wants to extend their borders it's completely normal.
(They extended their borders several times!)
@@Alexander.99500 Borders accepted by the international community, that islands should hold the same level of sovereignity as mainland territories, this also applies to Turkiye's islands, but they have less so they try to combat a reasonable international law.
And i'm all in favor for Turkiye's rights in other fronts, like more control over the bosporus; especially economically.
@@Denis-Maldonado
I don't think Turkey signed that.
But regardless of that, there always exceptions, the island between Ukraine and Romania in the Black sea for example.
Or the islands between France and England is another example.
You should also look how the map in the Aegean sea will look when Greece wants to expand to 12 miles.
It just goes against common sense.
No country in the world would accept that.
Yes Turkey is the bully here, in fact Anatolia was the home of many Greeks for hundreds of years before Turks took our homes and did the Greek genocide. Greece has every right, and be thankful we don't demand our cities back from Anatolia as that would be our right.
Well, sadly this one seems to be one sided. I'm not a right wing turk by any means and don't like the current government. However, there are some things that has not mentioned and must be talked about.
12 islands were sold by the ottomans to the Italians, which they give them to Greece afterwards. When you apply maritime law which Greece claims(even without 12km one), Turkey loose all of it's sea access on the west side as they will have little to no space. Not signing UNCLOS has this reason solely.
Turkey and Greece always had a weird relationship, but let's not pretend that we hate each other all the time. In fact, many greeks are welcomed in Turkey and otherwise too, my family was just there for the holiday last month. It's mostly the politics between the leaders that produce this kind of the heat overtime. Turkey and Greece had many peaceful years after the country have been founded in 1923.
Cyprus issue was first started in the 50s, and Turkey had at that time little to none naval power to interfere, so they've asked UK for dissolution. Turkey's goal was not to conquer the island but saving Cypriot turks from being killed since the greek Cypriots were acting on behalf of the revenge and the idea of being tied to Greece fully. Then at 70s, Greece had a 3 general junta military on the government which they claim to be the only one they could win war against the turks. So they pushed the unification with Cyprus and overthrew the government to place Nikos Sampson. Killings started to increase, many Civilian Turkish Cypriots have been killed because of being turks. Turkey tried to seek many peaceful solutions between 50s-70s. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus tells all the details. In the end, the Turkish government was being hold by 2 party coalition in which Bülent Ecevit was the left-wing prime minister and the Necmettin Erbakan was the right-wing islamist. When Ecevit could not get any resolution from piece negotiations, he send the secret signal to the army, and the interference has begun. The plan was to keep Turkish Cypriots safe and negotiating greek Cypriots to create one unified Cyprus which no one was killing another. The operation continued to dividing the country. Because of their failures, greek junta was overthrown and the Nikos Sampson resigned. At this point, Erbakan was pushing Ecevit for the whole invasion which Ecevit did not want. This resulted the upcoming dissolution of the 2 party alliance after 9-10 months of this event and central-right wing ended the short lived left wing rule.
In 1994, Kardak incident, Turkey played a strategically move by secretly retake the island, since greeks were only leaving their flag there to claim and did not stay there. So the Turkish soldiers conquered the island back at the morning and put their flag to protect the land which solved the issue at that time.
If we look at the current situation, there're many cases of greek ships forcing Turkish Fishermans without justice and thus, Turkish ships are continuous to fight them back by pushing greek ships into their zone forcefully.(There're some videos on RUclips).
We don't have to forget that the both countries have a right wing leader now which both of them are pushing the media/people into this tension. Erdoğan has his supporters + nationalist friends (and opponents) to challenge Greece while Greece has a leader which also controls some media channels to push propaganda regarding to turks being aggressive towards them and wanting to take Athens.(Although Erdogan's Athen speech you see has putting butter on his bread, it's not the case with an average Turkish citizen.).
At the end, these moves are mainly politic and I would not believe of a war by both sides. Turkey has a strong presence at Nato, and Greece is an important ally too. USA would not like to see this. Russia would not like to see this as they've strong alliance with Greece but also a friendly politics with Turks as of now. While France is pushing the tension on the back of the Greece, we see how they're successful from their presence in Syria over the 20th century and onwards.
My best solution for this issue would be to announce demilitarize the island for the both sides. This will reduce the fear and the tension from both side. Also agreeing on one maritime law(UNCLOS is still harsh and I don't think any Turkish gov. will accept that) and laugh of the funny claims like blue homeland and hellenistic ideas.
I personally do not have any hate towards our greek neighbours and I hope most of the greeks are with that mind as well.
demilitarize of island wont do, cuz the land of turkey is right next to these islands and turkey can take like 10 islands before support comes from main land, if u want demilitarize the islands next to greece you have to demilitarize the turkey main land to an agreed extend.
There are a lot of ignorant and manipulating comments... First of all, my friend, your source is very manipulative and wrong, you should stop this.
You should do research on your videos about Türkiye. Assuming that you are young and enterprising, I am telling you this as an advice. You must be principled.
1-First of all, Greece did this 12 mile incident to Italy in the west. What was the result? Of course it was not accepted. In fact, they almost fought. In other words, those who describe Türkiye's refusal to accept this while the country in the West does not accept it as offensive are, in a word, ignorant.
2-Türkiye does not raise any objections about any classified-understood island. Let's also point this out.
He demands equality for the gray islands that are not understood. But in return, they get rocks and islands equipped with mechanized and heavy weapons. Some ignorant people say that Greece can have police and gendarmerie (soldiers) on the islands and legitimizes this. Well, do you think Türkiye's objection is to the police car, ignorant person?
Türkiye says no to mechanized heavy armament there.
3-Thereupon, Türkiye says, brother, look, you are arming those places. This is openly threatening me. Don't get involved in any of this, I will target Athens directly and there is no one to stop it, I have a lot of technology that I haven't disclosed. When Greece hears about it, it plays the EU and NATO (OTAN) card like a child hiding under its mother's skirt. Well, wouldn't they ask the man? Weren't those you mentioned already here during the War of Independence? What happened? Didn't you get motivated by them (especially England and France) and then sell them and dump them into the Aegean Sea? Türkiye and the Turkish Nation have already done this once. So he has experience. And the point is this: Türkiye never forgot this and already has more than one plan for these in the General Staff...
4-Let's come to the Cyprus issue, there is such a perception that it is as if the police used pepper gas on the demonstrators! Guys, pull yourself together! On the island, the Greeks massacred the Turks and began to commit genocide. What is the event known as Bloody Christmas and how did it continue? Read a little, ignorant people.
Türkiye negotiated the situation with both the USA and the UK many times and said stop this. What was he going to do, watch while the Turkish nation was massacred and the island was completely isolated? Why did the operation have two phases? Should we investigate why he first stopped and then took over the entire north? Didn't the Greek side reject the agreement and say no, we will fight with Türkiye too? Didn't he trust Greece? And weren't they left alone again? Let's get past that. Why was the Kofi Annan Plan (UN) rejected by the Greek side? You know, Türkiye and the Turks weren't solutionists? Bullshit! So, did Türkiye say that it will annex this island to its territory, as Greece did? Even once? But there are no invaders, the Turks, wow...
5-Let's come to the Iraq and Syria issues. Here, any entity sought to be created by terrorist organizations - a puppet terrorist state - will not be allowed. It's that clear. It doesn't matter if it's called that or not. The Kurdish state is funny.. If they are self-confident and have such an ideal, they should first demand it in other states where they have more population. Complete lie. It hasn't happened throughout history. It won't happen. This cannot be done with weapons aid from the USA. We are a nation that ran out of bullets in Çanakkale and did not give way to the enemy with its bayonet. One must be careful and smart. The aim is to protect its people from possible threats. Turkish people have suffered many deaths and martyrs from terrorist organizations. It has the right to defend itself beyond borders. If it is not desired, Iraq and Syria will clear this region with their own armies. But surprise! They do not guarantee this. Then it comes down to business. Türkiye always respects the territorial integrity of Iraq and Syria. In fact, if Iraq's territorial integrity is disrupted and the country collapses, Türkiye will be able to claim rights regarding Mosul and Kirkuk. There is an Ankara Agreement regarding this, ignorant people, find & read it. I mean, why do you think Türkiye is spending money to clean it up, when Turkey will be the winner?
While the USA is carrying out operations and even war in Iraq and Afghanistan with fabrications and lies, why would it allow a terrorist canton right next to Türkiye's border, if it has this right?
Moreover, while more than 40 thousand citizens were martyred because of these dishonorable people!
A little reminder to those who have hope in NATO (OTAN): its strongest armies are the Turkish and American armies. Türkiye has 3 separate armies for the Aegean region and 2 separate armies for each of the other regions that are not included in NATO (OTAN) (Someone in the comments wrote that there is only 1 separate army, I am correcting that.). And Türkiye consists of 7 geographical regions. Let's say NATO (OTAN) attacked Turkey (impossible), add the troops here to these armies...
The northern coast of Africa (and much more) are our friends. For example, MOROCCO, LIBYA... And Türkiye has military bases there... Do you think it will be able to provide possible (!) support to Greece?
People ! Turks know how to fight from the moment they were born. He knows how to manage war very well. Come on, give up on these stupid populist dreams. BTW The EU is only an economic formation.
We uphold the two orders of our great leader Mustafa Kemal ATATÜRK.
1. There is no line of defence, there is only a line of defence. That surface is the entire homeland.
2. Peace at home, peace in the world.
However, we live happily and do not covet anyone's 1 square meter space. But we gouge out the eyes of those who taunt us. This is everything. If our concern was expansionist and invader, we would be in the Turkish National Pact Borders. At least investigate what that is, army of ignorant people...
May everyone be happy and at peace in their homeland.
You may fall apart
turkey should just offer to purchase some of those greek islands closest to their shores. ez pz
With tens of thousands of Greeks having these islands as their home? Rhodes alone has over 100k Greeks
Never lol
@@apmoy70most of those islands are uninhabited
@@nosmokejazwinski6297 Are you a Turk? Why do you hide it?
@@apmoy70No. What?
Turks are people-loving and if the Ottomans ruled for 600 years, it is because they gave freedom of religion and identity. In addition, almost all of the wives of the Ottoman sultans were Christians. So their mother was Christian. What they call murder, our own Christian subjects were killing others, at some point it should have stopped, research it. In addition, we approach even the peoples we are fighting with humanity. See Atatürk's words to the Anzac mothers. The 12 islands were Turks, but as a result of the war, they were temporarily given to Italy and the Italians gave them to Greece. Otherwise, how did they get the islands below us? Let's come to the real issue. If Turkey and Greece go to war, Turkey becomes "east" and closes the south to the EU. East was closed by the Russians. You are dying in Africa. This means the locking of Europe for Greece, which does nothing but break the plate..who will benefit from it.. I say open your eyes instead of useless chauvinistic discourses.
It's the Ottoman policy and 'freedom of religion' that got you in this situation....
Imagine if you were more 'european'
Would you like your neighbours garden passing through your house? Greece got those islands unfairly so Turkey has every right imo .
Greece's increased mileage means we need permission from the Greeks even when swimming in the Aegean. Stop dreaming of Byzantium. Imagine having to get permission from Turkey to swim in the sea and sail a ship in your sea, so you can understand how we feel.
Same goes for Greeks though. Imagine having Erdogan saying the islands are Turkish and threatening with war here and there. I see all the more reason for Greece to have the islands armored. Stop dreaming of the Ottoman Empire.
@@nebulai5324 Do you know about the Lausanne and Paris agreements? The Greek islands of Lemnos, Chios, Samos and Ikaria. According to Article 13 of the Treaty of Lausanne, these are islands where only police and gendarmerie forces can be present in the country, and it is forbidden to establish naval bases and fortifications. Twelve Islands were taken from Italy and given to Greece with the Treaty of Paris. According to Article 14 of the treaty, only enough forces can be kept on these islands to ensure public order.
By not complying with the treaties, you are militarizing the islands and committing crimes. You are arming the islands illegally, just as the Rhineland was armed by Hitler. Do you think we will find it normal that there are heavy weapons on islands that we can swim to from our shores? Stop being hypocritical now.
@@sukrubas61 I am well aware of the treaty. It's not a criminal activity to have defensive forces on the islands. It's purely for defence especially for Islands next to the coast of Turkey. It's the Turkish policy which talks about Aegean home country or whatever and this coming from politicians mouth not people. Greek politicians aren't sovereign like the Turkish ones at least. This makes it even more reasonable to have strong defense on the islands. Especially if we take into account the Turkish army landing training on islands. What islands do you have in mind with those military exercises?
@@nebulai5324 We do not threaten our neighbors by relying on other European states like you. You claim to know the treaty, I don't think you know anything. You claim that arming the islands is not a crime. Isn't it a crime to arm the islands you signed within the scope of the Lausanne and Paris agreements? In these agreements, you promised not to arm the islands and the islands were left to you. It was left to you on the condition that you do not disarm it. You are trying to do what Hitler did in the Rhineland. If you want hostility, you will gain hostility.
My country's politicians are none of your business. My country is a democratic country and we choose our leaders as a result of elections. Why does this concern you? The leaders you elected are constantly making provocations in the Aegean and trying to provoke us. You are constantly trying to violate our sovereignty, territorial waters and airspace. What do you trust? Do you think Europe will stand up and kill its children for you? You should take some lessons from Ukraine.
I really feel sorry for your country. Your entire country's policy is designed to be hostile to the Turks.Stop being racist and hostile towards your neighbors, you won't gain anything this way. You are embarrassing yourself to the whole world. Stop being the spoiled child of Europe and become a man.
@@nebulai5324 We do not threaten our neighbors by relying on other European states like you. You claim to know the treaty, I don't think you know anything. You claim that arming the islands is not a crime. Isn't it a crime to arm the islands you signed within the scope of the Lausanne and Paris agreements? In these agreements, you promised not to arm the islands and the islands were left to you. It was left to you on the condition that you do not disarm it. You are trying to do what Hitler did in the Rhineland. If you want hostility, you will gain hostility.
My country's politicians are none of your business. My country is a democratic country and we choose our leaders as a result of elections. Why does this concern you? The leaders you elected are constantly making provocations in the Aegean and trying to provoke us. You are constantly trying to violate our sovereignty, territorial waters and airspace. What do you trust? Do you think Europe will stand up and kill its children for you? You should take some lessons from Ukraine.
I really feel sorry for your country. Your entire country's policy is designed to be hostile to the Turks.Stop being racist and hostile towards your neighbors, you won't gain anything this way. You are embarrassing yourself to the whole world.Stop being the spoiled child of Europe and become a man.
Ask yourself just one question. Did eu want to lose Turkey to Russia?
Imagine that scenerio. Turkey, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Russia one corner and other corner is eu and US.
Wellcome to ww3.
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@@islammehmeov2334 wow. Mu father was crimean Tatar, Nogay. Cool
@@hasanrzayetis1373 BROTHERS 😎🤌🏻
@@hasanrzayetis1373EU ? Lol never
If Turkey leave NATO ? So what ?
Other ciuntries joined
@@elenilepouri7253 Did u really think that way? love or not turkey has experienced huge army. Nato didn't want to lose that power.
And imagine Turkey's location.