American Reacts Will Turkey Ever Let Sweden into NATO?
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The “anti-Turkish” protests that mentioned in video at 6:49 are not innocent protests. You can see the flags of pkk which an accepted terrorist organization not only in Türkiye but also in Europe and USA. Besides its ok when five countries (inculiding yours)can block every decision in UN but you ask didn’t they think one of the countries could block NATO expancion.
All the countries in NATO agree to go to war on any member's behalf (Article 5) so allowing new countries to join that one of the current members doesn't approve of/has a major disagreement with isn't going to work.
I'm wondering why Turkey is still in NATO in that case considering most members don't see eye to eye with Erdogan and certainly don't want to enact Article 5 over Turkish affairs
The trasgressions of turkey as a Nato member over the years are unbelievable. Not sure we should be in an alliance with such members.
It's just outrageous that Turkey is treating the defense alliance as some kind of money bartering system, they want to get paid and can't by any normal political means so they hit right when some new joining members are at their weakest... and that should tell you everything you need to know about Turkey and how "trustworthy" a partner they are
You probaly still think Turkey is a Land full of Desert despite watching a Video about it's acctual Landscape and Climate and has no importance in Nato go look up some history and see the importance of Turkey in Nato and than come back
My Turkish history professor once told me, "If you think the US is a politically polarised country, then you have turned a blind eye to Turkey for the last 100 years." And it really is true; the political spectrum is absolutely massive and interwoven, so even someone like Erdogan whose political foundation is pretty centrist by Turkish standards has connections to pretty extreme movements because otherwise you can't get enough support.
My opinion: he has turned scarily autocratic the last decade and has pretty much bought out the entire printed media market. He will market himself as either the successor to Atatürk or the future restorer of the caliphate depending on who he's rallying. This is the mark of a pragmatist rather than an idealist, and when prime ministers or presidents (he's been both) who have served for more than ten years (he's served 20) turn pragmatic, then you know to worry.
As a Turk, I can say that this has nothing to do with Erdogan, as he admitted in Finland, that Sweden stopped supporting terrorists, namely the PKK.
Burning a quran in Sweden - well, it started with a Dane who also have a Swedish citizenship 😊 Rasmus Paludan began by burning the quran in Denmark, but at some point people stopped paying attention to him, so he pulled out his Swedish citizenship, crossed the bridge and lighted up.
I was never in favour of doubble citizenship 😊
because of geopolitic of turkey ,,,west always bow to turkey
Time for a rule change to get rid of the veto and move to a simple majority. Erdogan is no democrat and plays a double, treble, or quadruple game. Time he was called out.
Couldn't have said it better myself at 8:38!
I totally agree; he shares most Swedes' point of view.
@@faderneslandet3489 At least the majority of Swedes luckily.
It was to win the elections as we saw that Turkiye has agreed to let Sweden to NATO.
We need to have regular book and flag burnings every week all over the western world until this sensitivity ends. Everyone should have stood with the danish cartoonists, and with Charlie Hebdo.
There needs to be no double standards then. Another guy’s request to burn Torah was denied because it’s “antisemitism” and an act of hate but burning the Qur’an is apparently not an act of hate. It is obvious that this isn’t about freedom of expression, it’s about deliberately insulting Muslims only.
Likewise, a cartoonist from Charlie Hebdo was fired and charged with antisemitism when he made a joke about Nicholas Sarkozy’s Jewish origin, but insulting Muslims is fine.
@@nosmokejazwinski6297 The request to burn the Torah was withdrawn before properly processed. So no, no discrimination. We ridicule all religions just the same.🙂
@@nosmokejazwinski6297 I'm sure you can provide sources for all your claims?
Regardless, no, all religions, doctrines and ideologies all must be allowed to be mocked, and if anyone receives more then any other, then it should only be to the degree that it is inherently more comical/laughable
@@nosmokejazwinski6297 While you may be right, don't state it so lightheartedly. This is the continent where WWII broke out and we are still dealing with the aftermath. Just don't forget, and don't be a prick about it.
@@thehoogard RUclips wont allow me to post links, but you can simply Google “Torah burning prevented by Swedish authorities”
As a swede hoping getting to join NATO I also don't want to fold for Erdogan as the guy disgust me - if those constantly piling requests are the price for it I'd basically rather see us not join...
Should make quran burning, not only legal but mandatory just as a response
Same tho I think it will be solved eventually and we’ll get in.
Håller med. Gubben är inte klok i huvudet 🥴
I agree that if Erdogan keeps escalating the demands and NATO doesn't keep their lapdog in order, it would be best for Sweden to stay out of the alliance, as it is not worth joining if we have to abolish our democracy. I don't think anyone is willing to enact Article 5 over Turkish affairs anyway, so it is surprising why Turkey is still in NATO.
I share the loathing of Erdogan, but as a NATO opponent, I am grateful if he saves us from NATO!
and I'm happy to burn that particular book if that helps 😅
The problem is that some of the Turkish demands is against our swedish ground law. And our ground law is not easily changed if the politicians want or not want. If change that law you need to parliament want same with one election between. We have elections every 4 years. AND no one want to change the freedom of speech that is fundamental to our society
... and and
Just some help with the translation. The laws you are referring to are called the constitution or the constitutional laws.
@@Jonsson474tack! Min engelska är inte den bästa. 😂 Försökte skriva om att Turkiet inte heller lämnar ut några av de personer som anses som ansvariga för endel av de skjutningar som skett i Sverige som gömmer sig i Turkiet eftersom de har dubbelt medborgarskap. Hm men jag var inte vart mitt försök tog vägen. I vilket fall det är en himla komplicerad och nästan omöjlig fråga det här. Vi kan ju inte lämna ut personer som sökt skydd här om de enbart twittrat något mot presidenten. Det är ju inte terrorism... inte enligt våra lagar iallafall. Och alla medborgare är lika under lagen....
Och vi kan inte ändra grundlagen förrän om flera år OM vi ville det. Suck suck.
Men många vill ju också ha en folkomröstning om NATO. Många svenskar tycker det går över deras huvuden denna förändring av alliansfriheten.....
Fundamential law. The corect translation. Its not ground, that would be "mark" its also not consittution because constirution don't exist in sweden.
Sweden needs to import more Turks, like Germany, and let them vote. Then you can join the Caliphate too. All for the Swedish/Turkish secret meatball recipe ;-)
@@matsv201 Sorry for my swenglish! 🤪🤣
You know what? The new video (European Art) is age restricted. That’s so funny- thinking of the art school in Florida some months ago…
He is a nasty dictator he still has hundreds of innocent people in his jails.
The UK too has it's own Gulag for political prisoners...HMP Belmarsh
same as the u.k, france, u.s and germany stop being so ignorant
That's why he was elected again yeah right.. we elected him so stop this Western Propaganda
3.57. No you can’t say what you want in Turkey… that’s one of the reason why Erdie is pissed on Sweden and also that Sweden wants Turkey to release a few criminals that are suppose to got to jail in Sweden for organising crime sentence… one Turk is behind a lot of the shootings in Stockholm lately … so Erdie can put pressure on Sweden but…
The biggest problem here is that NATO allow Erdie to have a political agenda in this NATO ratification…
And now someone has applied for permission to burn the Torah and the Bible
If Quran burning is legal than that should be Legal too in Sweden otherwise it's pure provocation against Muslims!
I'm happy that Stoltenberg is continuing being the head of Nato a bit longer. He's really good at diplomacy wich is well needed during this struggling process.
100% with you there, Connor...Europe is sacrificing itself on the alter of ignorance and connivance
Not only europe - The USA too.
So Finland and Sweden should bend over and take it from behind when dictator raises his voice?
Not really. Every time this happen some crack pot DA make a case, then it's beaten down as soon as the judge sees it.
It will never happen. Because its about the fundamential law, it will always be appealed to the supreme Court automatically if the judge take it.
It's just not going to happen. It's a DA that want to show he is in "the party"
It seems that tyrants can't handle mockery or a free press.
Man, you have become wise and enlightened in a very short time span.... well done Connor..
10:06 This is too accurate lmao.
They don’t understand what freedom of expression is in Turkey lol.
Yeah when a Muslim ask permission to burn the torah in front of Israeli embassy in Sweden they suddenly couldn't understand what freedom of expression is 😂😂😂you infedels can't fool anyone
I can see Ireland having even more trouble getting in as they only spend 0.1 percent on their military. Even if they they somehow get to 2 percent of defence spending other countries will veto them
Ireland does not want to become a member as it would be a waste of time and money.
@@dcoughla681 Putin is very much aware.
I'm pretty sure Sweden would let you in very willingly. We see you in a very good light and thank you for earlier services rendered!
3:58 Remember that these are not unbiased views; people in Turkey literally make fun of the president every day. I'm sure that guy did other things; don't take everything said in this report by this guy as ultimate truth
Also its Turkiye, but not Turkey
This unanimous votes are riduculous, but hey.. so does veto power in UN security council. These post war era rules are just troubles.
So it’s a crime to insult Erdogan……
Yea. There.was a dude in Germany that never had been to Turkey that was extradited a few years back for that law
Yes, there was a satir show over here (with the viewership of a minor Turkish town) and as a result our ambassador in Ankara was called up to explain.😂🤣 If that is not small Dick energy I don’t know what is.
NO
4:30, yes there were issues with our values, but at the time the USSR and Warsaw pact was relatively much more powerful than just Russia by itself is today, so allowing Turkey to join was deemed more important due to its manpower being able to deter the commies. Also, it hedged against Soviet influence in the Middle East and the Black Sea, all part of containment. It’s kind of like how we for a long time have been supporting the Saudis against Iran, even though Saudi Arabia compares to China in HR violations.
NATO did'nt need Turkish manpower, the Turkish Army is hardly to be feared it needed to control the Turkish straits and contain the black sea fleet, that's all the value of turkey to NATO. do you think any Western army would actually wish to be supported by the Turkish army,
Turkey was a very diffrent country back then.
Nato is not a religious institution. It should not be, kick Turkey out so they can join the Russian alliance as they are apt to do purchasing Russian military equipment. Turkey is a fowl in the alliance!
They control the Bosphorus
The funny thing is that the average Joe like u can't decide whether turkey is kicked out of nato or not. Only nato themselves can decide that and it seems to me that nato needs turkey in the alliance
Edit: Turkey just accepted their application, now it’s just a matter of completing some processes
the reasoning behind the accession process is so that no one can complain about a country once they are in. If it was easier to get it then countries could argue that they didn't sign up to defend x country whenever they joined. The turkey sweden thing is mostly a waiting game. Turkey won't hold them up forever
Bet russian trolls will have a field day commenting this video
Also attacking a Realigion is a red line for Turks, but you cant understand this . Like Andrew Tate says u guys in West dont stand for nothing, you guys dont have any Taboos or red lines.
If they burnt Kuran on other areas of Sweeden we could call this "free speech". But they had burnt Kuran on Turkish embassy areas in Sweeden. Its not free speech
Dude...this cannot stand.
In Scotland they can go through your social media like FB ect and you can be charged for what they (gov Police Scotland) think might be considered hate speach, even year's later llike 2025
I found this video very interesting and blindly following along not knowing where this was going to go, given you would conclude your opinion going through this.Scotanfvisnt far from Sweden and Sweden is dangerous not often reported but we'll known throughout Sweden , lot's more than meet the eye Sweden equals France!!
Thanks for your take, we hold you Scotsmen in high regard, best regards from Sweden 😅
Turkey controls access to the Black Sea which contains Russia's Black Sea Fleet and the coastline of Ukraine. They occupy a major strategic position and have been a NATO member since 1952. Nobody's going to kick them out in favour of Sweden.
True. But it's silly to make demands a country can't even meet since they have diffrent laws preventing it. Sweden is not a dictatorship. People are free to burn books and to demonstrate almost everything. Also have freedom of speech and freedom for press to write whatever they want. If kurds want to open a newspaper that are 100% anti turkey in Sweden then they can. Not even the goverment has the power to stop that. Yet Turkey demands they do.
@@MeldinX2their ate plenty of Kurds in sweddn but really very few part of PPK. Still most kurds hate him.
The thing was that PPK that is left wing extremist wanted to stop swedrn joining NATO so they made the protest with that intent.
Erdoğan played into there hands.
Russian ships can do nothing in the med. Spain and UK controll Gibraltar. And. Technically Egypt controll the chanel. But well, Egypt will do nothing that would made it go out of commission. So letting Russian ships through in case of war. Just not going to happen.
@@matsv201 Very true.
Turkey is on good terms with Russia and I believe has even applied to join Brics, they already have a partnership with Russia on the Black sea Oil pipeline. I believe they will soon ditch NATO like a hot brick...no pun intended
In Sweden "Freedom of Expression and Demonstration" is fundamental in our constitution. Not something that the government would feel at ease changing. A HUGE part of Swedens reputation around the world is our freedom laws. But if they really wanted the government can change it, but to do it two (2) different governments has win a majority vote to do it. So there has to be an election between the votes. Sweden's next election is in Sept 2026. I really hope that this mess is straighened out before then.
Sluta snacka i nattmössan. Turkey will never change our constitution, I'd rather die than let Erdogan make us change our constitution.
Erdogan play with Sweden!
End your democracy and join NATO ... uhm how about NO ! We will stand for basic human rights , which includes freedom of speech , sad I know (not really)
I rather we will be left out in the cold then leave the few values we still have left.
I've never understood why Turkey was accepted into NATO, because they've always worked against Europe.
We are founding member in nato. And we are never do any anti-europe things you can do examples show the examples and ı will explain to your false. When we look attitude the some europe countries to Türkiye (like money ambargo - military embargo - media services where your misconception is evidence - and definitely turkophobia and islamophobia etc….)
@@asdfghdhkdfkkffn3167
Get your facts straight. Turkey is not a founding member of NATO.
The alliance was founded in 1949 by UK, France, BeNeLux, USA, Canada, Italy, Portugal, Norway, Denmark and Iceland.
Turkey joined in 1952, along with Greece.
@@asdfghdhkdfkkffn3167 No anti-Europe thing? Who opened their border and caused the immigrant crises and pressured Europe to pay to not let refugees use Turkey as a door to EU? It was Turkey with Erdogan as president.
Sorry ı said faul the term
Kore'de savaş çıkar Türk askeri gönderilir. Yüzlercesi hayatını kaybeder, binlercesi gazi olur. Avrupanın göbeğinde 20. Yüz yılda mükemmel (!) özgürlükçü (!) Avrupalıların gözünün önünde müslüman insanlar toplu kıyıma uğrar, harika Avrupalılar put kesilir, Türkiye yine oradadır. Kosova'da on binlerce insan evlerinden vatanından canından edilir, Türkiye yine kucak açar. Sizlerin "evet bu teröristtir!" Diyemediğiniz leş örgütler yüzünden son elli yıldır Türkiye'de belki de her beş ailenin birinde bir kayıp yaşanır, bir öğretmen, imam ya da bir öğrenci suçsuz yere kendi ülkesinde katledilir ancak özgür düşünceden (!) asla ödün vermeyen mükemmel (!) Avrupa bunları görmezden gelerek bizim canımızı yakanlara yuva olur. Afganistan karışır, "kimi göndersek? Buldum, Türk askerini!" Çok değerli Avrupalı kıçlarınız bir gün dünyanın geri kalanındaki yangını görür ve aynı yangında yanarsa o zaman "Türkiye'yi NATO'ya almamalıyız" Deme hakkınız belki olur! Her türlü saygısızlığı, provakasyonu, pervasızlığı düşünce özgürlüğü kisvesiyle ortaya döküp kininizi kusarken özgür düşünceden söz edemezsin! Benim özgür düşünceme göre de Avrupa insanı saygısız, düşüncesiz, aptal, bencil, SÖMÜRGECİ pisliklerden ibaret.
Öff... İşte canım sıkılmıştı, biraz stres attım iyi geldi. 😏
Thats a terribly biased video and full of misinformation don't take it for face value
I do not want Sweden to join NATO, but I would have preferred it to be a decision by Sweden instead of it being up to a Turk .
❤Turkiye!
Please don’t let them into NATO !
We muslim do not insult other religion. It is prohibited. But why they do? Freedom is not to insult others. Those who insults Quran & Islam will be punished soon In Sha Allah. Allah will send Imam Mahdi to establish the Caliphate soon. It's a promise from Allah. Surely, there will be a commander like Khalid ibn Al Walid, Salah Uddin, Sultan Suleiman, Tariq bin Jiad . In Sha Allah . So, We call you for peace . Don't insult our Quran & Islam.
7:07 Again you're taking these points from this guy as holy scripture, the reality Sweden sees the Kurds doing suicide bombing in turkey as freedom fighters, turkey sees them as terrorists. and should be handed to justice, It has nothing to do with Erdogan or making fun of turkey.
TLDR is soooo biased. My suggestion is don't watch them. Everything they said especially about conflict in Ukraine was wrong.
Hats off to Turkey..
#4...better than nothing
I hope turkey get whatever they want . I love turkey i mean everyone gos on holiday to turkey its a special place. Nato need turkey , if you look were turkey are located its basically in a perfect location geographically and of course there army are massive and strong