GRIFFINS' FUTURES & DRAFT PROSPECT TALK ft. Tony Ferrari - Winged Wheel Podcast - May 30th, 2024
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Now that the Grand Rapids Griffins are done their season, it's time for the Detroit Red Wings to take stock and see who might graduate to the NHL.
Tune in as we discuss the futures of Simon Edvinsson, Carter Mazur, Marco Kasper, Sebastian Cossa, Albert Johansson, Nate Danielson, & more Griffins, who will join the likes of Dylan Larkin, Moritz Seider, Lucas Raymond, and the rest of the Red Wings core, how signings like Patrick Kane or David Perron might affect their chances, & more (including news on the Toledo Walleye and other Red Wings prospects) (4:05).
Next, we're joined by Tony Ferrari of The Hockey News to discuss the 2024 NHL Draft: who Steve Yzerman, Kris Draper & Co. might take at 15th overall, thoughts on players like Eiserman, Celebrini, Hage, Catton, Greentree, Brandsegg-Nygard, & many more (36:50).
After that, we update you on the Stanley Cup Playoffs as McDavid's Oilers, Johnston's Stars, Tkachuk's Panthers, and Shesterkin's Rangers are all tied up (1:10:45), plus more before we take your questions and comments during our Overtime segment (1:18:45) - enjoy!
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With alll the names mentioned in Tony Ferrari conversation I can't believe Beckett Sennecke wasn't one of them
cuz hes a bust
Norwegian LHD Stian Solberg is the latest to get the Moritz Seider comparison. This will be a yearly thing now that teams are willing to take a chance on just in case.
Connelly is that swing for the fences pick, he does not fit the typical Red Wings character standards that are impeccable and never waver..... but they are not getting close to adding dangerous wingers at that #15 in the draft.
What really gets overlooked with all the signings that kept players in GR, both at forward and on D, is that the 21-22 season derailed because of depth. One or two injuries and the team was done. So we added depth wanting to be more competitive deeper into the year and able to handle the inevitable injury bug. Probably figured that Berggren and Ed would get 40-50 games by seasons end due to various injuries. And then nobody got hurt. All year. Until Larkin and Walman missed time late, nobody really missed more than a game or two. It was a crazy season in terms of injury luck for the skaters. While I think Ed especially could've helped the team sooner and should've been up, it really was a strange situation.
Yes this is part of the truth for sure nice post
With the equipment question at the end, I almost wanted to say everything. Then, Brad brought up helmets. haha. Yeah, it is sticks, but I'd say skates have made a huge jump, too. Just since I started playing in 2018 both of those have changed a lot at the retail level. But pads have also gotten lighter while finding ways to add airflow. Gloves have gotten better with movement and feel without giving up protection. It's a wild time to play in terms of equipment.
Was it last night's game where both Bouchard AND Janmark scored? I love that Kenny gets to reap the rewards of his bad decisions. But y'all pointing out how he's having to play against his bad decisions, too, helps.
The way the jerseys are pinned to the wall causes me a great amount of stress.
Has anyone mentioned the potential possibility of Igor Shesterkin being a possible trade target? His contract is up next year and I have a feeling New York would want to get something for him before he hits the free market if they sniff out he might want to leave. He's only getting paid about 5.4m this upcoming year. Then we could sign him for an extra 4 years at 6-6.5 million with some bonuses. By then either Cossa or Augustine will be ready. And if they're both ready, we'll have a Cossa-Augsutine tandem by 2029.
Very happy so far with how Danielson has done, but I can't help but think that maybe we should have gone for Benson. 30 pts in his first year and slightly younger than Danielson. Ofc he's not a center, but we have Kasper likely coming up, and I feel like Benson could have replaced Veleno and already got more points than him this past year. Could've used Veleno in a package for either trading up in the draft or getting someone who could fill in a center spot, albeit we still might see Veleno get traded soon. I know it's way too early to judge, but thoughts?
Wings need centers. Danielson is a center and projects to be a middle 6 center in the nhl. Benson is a left winger.
@mattl2642 right - that's what I wrote in my post, but I'm thinking maybe we should have fixed the gap on the wing with Benson and signed an FA center
@GrantGauthier I totally get what you're saying. But we've signed 2 free agent centers the last 2 years, and it's cost us nearly 11 million in cap space for the next 4 years. Great centers don't hit the open market, and if they do, teams have to severely overpay to get them. Skilled wingers are much easier to come by in free agency. Therefore, it's a better decision to focus on drafting centers in hopes that you get lucky and strike gold.
@@mattl2642 Good point. We'll see!
I have a Fox Tracker puck from the 90's! One of my favorite hockey treasures! LGRW 🐙 🏒 🤘
If you have three Griffin forwards up on opening night, it will be a long season. Re-signing Raymond, Veleno, and Fischer leaves three nightly spots. You hope one of those is a new guy outside the system or Kane to provide scoring.
In 2013 Yzerman brought up Johnson, Connolly, Palat, Panick, Killorn, and Namestikov and Kucherov. 7 call ups in one year. It's possible he does something similar again. Which would leave Veleno and a couple other guys out.
@shawnhunt4442 yes, but this is a continuation of one of their previous conversations about how to replace Kane's production. You can bring all those guys up. You can scratch Veleno and Fischer, which doesn't move the needle much considering their roles. But where are the points lost by people like Kane, Perron, and Sprong going to come from. Not one or two of those guys. All three. That was the part that I didn't explicitly lay out and left as an assumed context.
Trade Veleno and the 15th for Kakko or Necas or sign Marchessault.. We need someone to play top line with Larkin/Raymond. 2nd line Kane/JT/CAT
@@laonpowell6823 I hope they don't have to trade #15 in this draft. They will have a chance at a good player there. I certainly don't wanna pay that for Kakko. But, yeah, they have to do something
@@hockeyinalabama It's a shot in the dark at #15. How do U not like Kakko? I doubt he's even available. Most likely his season was done by gm for contract purposes just like they did to Alex the yr Prior.. How's Alex doing now?
Big Elmer better start taking boxing lessons 🤷
I agree with Petry and Holl not being great additions, but will Steve or Derek ever agree with that on Petry? I really disliked that Wahlman was always the scapegoat for bad defense and got scratched because of it. While Petry never was taken to task by the organization for his defensive lapses.
Dallas didn't take Stankoven with our pick, they took Grushnikov with the pick we sent them that was after they took Stankoven with their own pick.
Any chance walman at 1,7 fetches a 1st in the top 20ish? Think he’s a goner in 2 years anyways if he can fetch us a solberg or me emery I’d do it
Ryan has 43 players making the team 😂
Red wings A and B team
Let's include trades...
Markstrom and Marner get signed. Bergy, Albert and Simon start. Who else gets resigned?
I love how mysterious of a GM Yzerman has become simply for the drama he creates. He's basically a magician you're pissed at because he won't tell you how his process works. Lol I understand a lot fans like Brad want the high end offense AND have 5 graduating prospects but I'm not convinced this draft helps with any of that unless Yzerman pull a Debrincat Kane level of a trade. Idk I'm here for the excitement though I just don't see it at 15 though.
Debrincat basically traded himself to Detroit. Ottawa's hands were tied with a contract, minimal trade partners, and a guy warning never to play for them again. Detroit had the cap room and an extra #1 pick from Boston for barter. It was a perfect storm.
Still was exciting to see and hear. I think more interest is building for FAs to want to play for Detroit again.
Frustrating when the team will go out and pick up a Daniel Sprong and give him a pass for 80% of the season for being a defensive liability, but the guys inside the organization like Burgers get held to a higher standard and have a shorter leash.
No angel henandez means there is a god!
Jesus is lord
Berggren will not be Red Wings property start of '24 season. Bank it.
Mazur is Dmacs favorite player.
Bergy took too many bad penalties and gave too many give aways. Sure he can score and pass but many times he is an accident waiting to happen. His best value is a trade piece.
With Elmer Soderblom not being brought up at all, do we not count him as a prospect any more or do we just assume he never makes the Wings at this point?
It seems his mobility and pace are the issue. Elmer also seems to be adjusting to the smaller North American rink as in the SHL he had a larger area to think about the pace.
Detroit's 2024-2025 projected line-up:
DeBrincat Larkin Raymond
Copp Compher Kane
Mazur Kasper Berggren
Rasmussen Veleno Fabbri
Luff
Edvidsson Seider
Maatta Walman
Chariot Petry
Johansson
Lyon
Husso
I want Copp nowhere near the second line. Johansson needs to be on bottom pair and Petry is number 7 D. Would start Edvinsson on second pair with Maata (he seemed to do well with Hronek before he was traded). That may help keep him calm and transition well.
Without Kane wings don't make playoffs. Like your lineups
Neither Maatta or Walman play RHD
Speaking to the brief puck discussion in the first few minutes. The nhl should start experimenting different rule changes and or technology/review changes in the AHL. Let it develop there first then implement it in the NHL when they feel ita ready.
Imagine if we Drafted Colby Barlow? hahaha
Trade the Pick! Would Veleno + 15th be enough for Kappo Kakko or are Rangers just screwing Kakko to sign him cheap?
Lmao kakko is not worth a 1st atm. Rather use the 15 pick on nygard Connelly etc...
I can see Yzerman going for a jeannot off Tampa who need to shed $
@@socialmediag5485 23yr old 3rd liner RFA in the Eastern Conference Finals who put up 40pts as a 22yr old and was 2nd pick Draft class who put up more points in Liiga than both Anton and Konsta isn't worth a 1st?
I'm not sure how to respond to that or how to even take that seriously? Lol
Appreicate the reply. Thanks.
@@socialmediag5485 Nygard is exactly the player who turns into Barlow.. No way SY touches Trevor and Jeannott is an overrated player who Tampa traded entire draft class for and is also type of player you add when ready to win a cup not before unless it's Internal
Kaapo Kakko potential is exactly what Red Wings are Missing.. You're telling me if KakkO as drafted to Wings and Raymond to Rangers that Kakko wouldn't have a 60pt season by now? LMAO
@@laonpowell6823 also scratched in the playoffs ..ya don’t take me seriously I won’t lose any sleep 🤣
@@laonpowell6823 Connelly has a ton of talent which we desperately need upfront and I think he’d do good with character guys surrounding him like danielson larkin kasper etc... agree though Yzerman won’t take him
Tampa were no doubt dumb for giving all those picks for jeannot but he plays hard and is one of the league leaders in hits which this team also needs . We got way too many pussies on this team . Tampa wants to shed his 2.65 hit for stamkos , if it takes a 3rd for jeannot and like a hanas or viro who have no future here I’d take a shot at jeannot and see what happens
You probably would be saying the same thing about yakupov right before he was sent back to the khl 😂 raymond is better than kakko ... would I take a swipe at kakko? Sure but I’m not giving up the 15th pick in the draft when someone really good will be there due to all the dmen drafted before . Don’t love his size but Maybe someone like Catton will drop or eiserman , I’m not dealing that pick before I know what’s there on draft night
Still don’t think kakko is worth a 1st atm. Berggren and a 2nd if we’re really planning to move on from him , which I wouldn’t . Think someone will offer a better deal for kakko anyways , won’t be us