I wonder what happened to that particular vase? Did Yupe Tashu ever get his hands on it? Did he leave it somewhere that only a select few of The Acolytes Of The Beyond know about? Do The Prophets Of The Dark Side know of its existence? Does that vase and the elements contained within have any influence on Force-sensitives, its environment, or the galaxy at all? Fascinating...
@@anthonyyoutubefan7567Dude, I've been a super fan of Star Wars for like 33 years, at least up until Disney started messing it up, but I've watched everything up until The Acolyte (didn't watch, didn't want to cause myself physical pain)... And I have no idea what you're talking about.
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 We already had someone losing a hand every movie. We couldn’t have more people surviving a fall. Well, that was until somehow Palpatine returned…
@@kazuya9288 While he did write some pretty okay dialogue, rewatching the OT and Preqs now days makes it very apparent some of the stuff he wrote was reeeeeaaaaalllllyyyyy cheesy lmao. Mark himself has gone on record about one of the lines he refused to do because it sounded so bad lol.
@@SphendranaI agree that alot of Lucas's dialogue is clunky. But I actually don't think the "fear is their greatest defense" line was all that bad. I'm probably one of the few who understands that line though.
It was never intended so I don’t consider him ever actually being there. It’s just an extra add-on in a book that has nothing to do with what George Lucas intended. I’ve heard great things about the book, but it’s just stuff included after the fact
@@mr_red13 tbf without the book episode 1 is just shit. The book cleans up a lot after the fact, like why the trade fed installed a blockade around Naboo, or why they were even interested in the planet. Why the trade fed had an army while the republic didn't have one was also never explained. It's also the greatest source of explanation for the order of the clone army. The book is maybe even more valuable to the story of the prequels than Star Wars the Clone Wars is. And Plagueis fits pretty well into the story, so I don't see why he shouldn't exist and be there
Damn, makes me wonder if they included Plagueis in the movie, condensed the dialogue a bit, just to intentionally milk out the irony of that statement. I wouldn't have done it though, it would take away from _The Opera Scene._
@@modernerdadaismus8430 I always thought Maul was Sidious' secret apprentice as he planned to overthrow plageuis, similar to how Galen Marek was Darth Vader's secret apprentice to overthrow Sidious
Yep. This is actually my FAVORITE SW books, right after Thrawn. The monologue at the end is so great. If anyone hasn't read this, or listened to the audio book, please do yourself a kindness and get on that asap! HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE AUDIO BOOK VERSION. The voice acting was superb, and the delivery of the monologue (you'll understand when it happens) is quite possibly the best part about it.
It is so interesting that Palpatine was still an apprentice in episode 1 while after he became chancellor and killed his master plagius he became the master!
technically he was an apprentice, but unofficially they were partners and planning to end the rule of 2 by becoming immortal and ruling the galaxy as partners forever. That is until Sidious decided otherwise. Wait what I wrote sounds kinda romantic lmao
He wasn't...well...it depends. In Lucas' Star Wars, Plagueis died years ago. But the expanded universe Plagueis novel, which does have some cool bits, has him stick around throughout Phantom Menace in the background because I guess the writer thought it would be cool. So whether Plagueis was alive then or not depends on how you view the expanded universe. For Lucas himself, the expanded universe was more like alternate universe fan fiction, separate from what he was doing with the movies.
“I have killed my master! I am now the Master. Maul and I shall honor the rule of two and rule the galaxy!” “Chancellor Palpatine, sir; Darth Maul has been killed!” “… I have miscalculated…”
This video made realise that at some point there were like four dark side force users (Sith, if you will) at the same. Plagueis was still alive, Maul was ''recruited'' by Sidious, obv. Sidious, and Dooku was working along with Sidious as well.
@@seabass819 he was a pet to Sidious too. In the novel Maul is framed as expendable, and a casualty at the end of it. He was just the trashman to do the dirty work. I guess Vader filled that role as well in a way
Just like rewatching the likes of Odd Taxi and rereading the likes of The Lord of the Rings' Appendices. Things start out quite simple and entertaining enough, and yet redigesting the material as time goes by sure feels really rewarding because of new concurrent information. Anyways, there is also the time Plagueis was watching Anakin and Qui-Gon's midichlorian discussion, which led him to see a powerful vision of what's to come, I think.
0:51 I’ve always thought that the person sitting in the back of the pod with his hood up was in fact Plagueis and I don’t care if that’s not cannon. It’s got to be him; looks too much like him!
First of all, it's "canon." If you can't get this right, you are uniquely unqualified to EVER talk about what is, and isn't canon. Ever. Literally at all. Ever again.
@@davemccombsyou're such a petty loser 😂 three people just showed how pathetic you are for caring about the spelling so much and being such a jerk and petty loser about it
One of my favorite books. The political aspect alone is fascinating, which is surprising to me because usually sci-fi and fantasy novels don’t cover that side well enough or not at all.
I always thought it funny that the scene with Maul in hologram (1:09) is essentially the ready room from Star Trek TNG. I thought so ever since I saw in the theater in '99
I feel like palps og plan was to have dooku be a figure head only and not his apprentice and that maul would be his behind the scenes agent and ruler in the CIS like how he was on mandalore
It's difficult to say what Palp's "original plan" was, since it constantly adapts to changing circumstances. It's been a while since I've read Plagueis, but if memory serves, Palpatine was grooming Dooku to be a potential second apprentice long before Maul died. He saw great use in a Jedi whose dual loyalties to his heritage and open mindedness about the Force would allow him to be corrupted.
What took place in Tales of the Jedi when Palpatine began to recruit Count Dooku to be his next apprentice took place shortly after this? Whenever Yadle also became a casualty of Dooku’s change in allegiance
I feel like it’s up to the individual to decide if this is canon or not. Like it could be easily, but is never implied in the movies. Also just undercuts Palpatine as THE mastermind and main villain and breaks the rule of two which we again never see in the movies.
I do like the fact how Palpatine at first saw himself achieving much with Maul, but after his "death" and the existence of Anakin his plans were altered for the better.
It would have been werd to see Darth Plaegis in SW1 without any context, considering Darth Maul and Darth Sidious already haven’t that much screen time. Plus most of his story happened before SW1
it's really funny to me, someone who listened to the entirety of the audio book, knowing exactly where he was during that scene, and seeing comments here being confused, or just downright believing that lol. These people need to read the novel or get the audio book lol (which I recommend more, the voice acting was superb, and the licensed SFX/music makes it so much better as well)
Can't wait until the day - probably within 24-years' time - when the entire SW universe has been retconned to the point where None of It actually happened, and was instead something like a dream, or probably something Neo hallucinated in the Matrix.
If Maul didn't really die, though, then how could Palpatine have "sensed another loss" through the Force? I sometimes wonder if Maul's return was too "forced," as it were, for drama purposes. Sometimes it is simpler to let a death really be a death.
I would maybe think the same IF the case wasn't that mauls return allowed maul to become an infinitely better character, and his return definitely made far much more sense than Palpatines return lol
The novel was published in Jan. Maul's return was aired in March of the same year. And it was simply a retcon by Dave Filoni after the book was released. This was also before Disney's purchase which was later that year when they started to be much more careful with Canon/Legend conflicts in lore. So just an unfortunate mishap where the author was not notified of upcoming changes to pre-Disney lore. - Charlie
Fan Theory: What if Palpatine failed to assasinate Plageous, and was caught in the act? Would Palpatine get axed? How would the Sith plan change? Would it chnage?
That doesn't make sense, Darth Plagueis could simply kill Sidious for having an apprentice right? violating the rule of 2, means that Sidious plans to overthrow Plagueis.
I didn't know it because its all retconned BS. Plagius wasn't in the Phantom Menace, Lucas never wrote that, and he would in fact ruin the whole rule of two and reduce Darth Maul to a not really Sith, merewly a pretender henchman. Don't prop up terrible retcons, ignore them.
The Phantom Menace was my favorite Star Wars movie as a kid and, after reading Darth Plaugeis for the first time last year, it is my favorite once again.
I'd love to know what the original plan for jar jar was, was he ment to be one of plagues apprentices or one of plapatines, there's too many seemingly random actions he takes that have had to be planed for in filming but never explained such as his mumbling in the back ground when the guard insists the Queen goes with them on tatooine
No, there absolutely are not, and only completely braindead tools are still trotting out this odd fascination with trying to ship Jar Jar as some significant villain character. He isn't, and the fact that you can't understand that a children's character in a children's movie acting like a child doesn't warrant a grand conspiracy is fucking pathetic. Seriously, what is wrong with you?
@@jamessloven2204 They don't want to hear that. He'll never reply to that. They've been trotting out this almost fanatic obsession with making Jar Jar into a secret villain that will "unlock" the "true" story of the franchise once they "figure it out" for 25 years Dolts
I'd actually prefer if he was an old Sith legend as stated in ROTS, instead of this convoluted mess. Did he create life and prevent his loved ones from dying? Who are these loved ones? Did he teach his apprentice everything or didn't he? Who named him "the Wise" since only his master and eventual apprentice knew of him? What wisdom was this outside of some vague eugenics that may or may not be true? Oh, it's not a story the Jedi would tell? How could they? Since apparently the mf was still alive while Anakin was doing his Formula 1 thing on Tatooine feeding Qui-Gon's gambling addiction. The galaxy already feels small with everybody bumping into each other, and now even this 'old Sith legend' was alive and well 12 years ago.
@robertlupa8273 Might as well make up the whole story then, being the prince of lies of Star Wars and all. Not take a guy you apparently knew personally and smothered with a pillow than ad-lib some convoluted nonsense about it being something that happened long ago. It adds nothing to the bait. I kind of like the idea that the opera scene is the one time Palpatine is telling the truth. Just baiting Anakin without lying. You, know, ironic with him being a liar every other time.
@@seabass819 All three trilogies at that! Thrawn / Aliences / Treason Ascendancy: Chaos Rising / Greater Good / Lesser Evil and of course the OG trilogy. My introduction however with Thrawn was Outbound Flight. Instantly hooked and sought out more books to devour. And then Zhan just casually releases the Ascendancy trilogy right as I finished Treason. Never had such a *Grand* time with a series of trilogies. The Audio Book format is top tier though, the licensed SFX and Music coupled with superb voice acting for Thrawn just hits so different.
It doesn’t make sense for Plagueis to let Palpatine have an apprentices like Maul while he’s still around given the Sith’s rule of two (granted, we now know that something like that happened with an old apprentice of his in the acolyte but the show got canceled before it could shed more light on that)
A sith lord would only have one offical apprentice, but he would keep a few potential replacements around as insurance in case the current one doesn't work out. Such deceit and scheming behind the scenes is the sith way, plus an apprentice looking to become a master would also be on the look out for a potential candidate or 2 as well.
@@CreatureOfTheVoid True but this video makes it sound like Plagueis allowed Palpatine to take both his place as the Sith master and a Sith apprentice before Palpatine killed him which isn’t how the rule of two works
@@DCUniverse816 He basically did, he suffered from the same fate all sith suffer from, Arrogance, he believed he had palpatine figured out in that once palp had control of the republic he would be content to let plagueis run things from behind the scenes in much the same way palp fell to vader believing vader would never turn on him despite telling luke to take his father place. Even plagueis master had a secert apprentice hidden the in the works in case plagueis didnt work out, but after his death that apprentice challenged plagueis and lost. Bains rule of 2 was basically and Ideal to stop the infighting between sith lords after that infighting had brought them to ruin. but its just that, an ideal, we have no way of knowing just how many sith are actually out there and if they even bother with the rule of 2, the EU has an entire world of lost sith turn up later down the line
It’s just a damn shame none of the movies after the first 3 ever did anything with this extended story of palpatine. Really all they did was make his life’s work incredibly stupid and only because he got lucky.
I never was a fan of the Plagueis novel or the idea that Palpatine was his apprentice. For starters, the rule of two pretty much cements the fact that a Sith apprentice cannot have his own apprentice. My understanding of the word “legend” is a tale that speaks of an event that happened many generations ago. So far ago that determining the facts around it are vague, which makes the probability of it happening unproven. Palpatine using the word “legend” when telling Anakin about Plagueis, and the tone to which the story is told, gave me the impression that this was a story told to Palpatine by his master, who obviously learned it from his master, and so on. I know cannon makes me wrong, I don’t need anyone jumping on me about that. However, does my thoughts make any real sense?
Meh, I always thought it was stupid that Plagueis was around during Phantom Menace. Thankfully it's not something that's in the movies so I can ignore it.
It’s crazy to think about it, Palpatine all within episode 1, still had his master Plagueis before killing him, Maul, and Dooku, he literally had 2 secret apprentices right under Plagueis nose
not the same apartment. Palpatine and Maul were talking in 500 Republica. Palpatine's residence. Plagueis was killed in Kaldani Spires. Plagueis' residence. Not even the same building. Kaldani Spires was in Manarai Mountains area. 500 Republica is in Ambassadorial area.
Damn... I'm really going to have to read the Darth Plageis novel one of these days. Is Plageuis being on the Balcony while Sidious and Maul are a retcon in the novel. that is, when Lucas made Ep I, did he know at that time Plagueis was there? Just wondering is that explains why no hint of it at all in the movie itself.
This was a retcon yes, Lucas did not initially plan to have Plagueis there until 10 years later. But that could be said for every single Clone Wars episode, the details just weren't there yet. - Charlie
Palps wasn't expecting to go from 2 buddies down to 0. Right after this, he got on his phone and opened the Plenty of Sith app to match with Dooku.
This has to be canon
LMAO
LMAO
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And swiped on Jar Jar right away!
And Sidious even kept the ashes of Plagueis in his office, in one of those giant vases.
Fr? Damn, never knew. What a savage. 😂
No he actually dehydrated his body and that’s what was kept in the vase, not just ashes…
I wonder what happened to that particular vase? Did Yupe Tashu ever get his hands on it? Did he leave it somewhere that only a select few of The Acolytes Of The Beyond know about? Do The Prophets Of The Dark Side know of its existence? Does that vase and the elements contained within have any influence on Force-sensitives, its environment, or the galaxy at all? Fascinating...
@@anthonyyoutubefan7567Dude, I've been a super fan of Star Wars for like 33 years, at least up until Disney started messing it up, but I've watched everything up until The Acolyte (didn't watch, didn't want to cause myself physical pain)... And I have no idea what you're talking about.
@@ephgmI can’t lie it kinda surprised me it wasn’t that bad especially knowing plaugis is behind it
He wasn't planning on it but Sith happens I suppose.
😂😂😂
11/10 joke. well done!
Yea yeah.. same sith different days.
You wanna talk politics?
It's actually a nice touch too, as the confusing overlap he felt in the force would explain why he didn't sense Maul still alive since the change.
Plageuis was drunk af
@@dieauferstehung lol so Plageuis was so powerful in the force he got he got the force itself drunk?
Palpatine was depressed asf after this, you can tell at the end of Episode 1🤣💀
I know poor guy
@@nathanskywalker1536 😂😂
cringe
You're depressed? Do better
@@davemccombs
When u say that u just show yourself to be insecure
What’s funny is that Plagueis didn’t even exist when George wrote TPM
All this mad up stuff after and they just couldn't have Mace Windu survive.
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 We already had someone losing a hand every movie. We couldn’t have more people surviving a fall.
Well, that was until somehow Palpatine returned…
That's because GL can't write his way out of a paper bad
@@kazuya9288 While he did write some pretty okay dialogue, rewatching the OT and Preqs now days makes it very apparent some of the stuff he wrote was reeeeeaaaaalllllyyyyy cheesy lmao. Mark himself has gone on record about one of the lines he refused to do because it sounded so bad lol.
@@SphendranaI agree that alot of Lucas's dialogue is clunky. But I actually don't think the "fear is their greatest defense" line was all that bad. I'm probably one of the few who understands that line though.
Who knew Darth Plagueis was just off screen the whole time?
Yeah not me Lol, think he meant people that have read the book would know
Anyone who read the book
It was never intended so I don’t consider him ever actually being there. It’s just an extra add-on in a book that has nothing to do with what George Lucas intended. I’ve heard great things about the book, but it’s just stuff included after the fact
Not even lucas when he made PTM Star Wars is the motherlode of retconns...
@@mr_red13 tbf without the book episode 1 is just shit. The book cleans up a lot after the fact, like why the trade fed installed a blockade around Naboo, or why they were even interested in the planet. Why the trade fed had an army while the republic didn't have one was also never explained. It's also the greatest source of explanation for the order of the clone army. The book is maybe even more valuable to the story of the prequels than Star Wars the Clone Wars is. And Plagueis fits pretty well into the story, so I don't see why he shouldn't exist and be there
So the master and the apprentice died, interesting tid bit
Damn, makes me wonder if they included Plagueis in the movie, condensed the dialogue a bit, just to intentionally milk out the irony of that statement. I wouldn't have done it though, it would take away from _The Opera Scene._
Maul was used and trained as an sith assassin, not as an apprentice for that time as this would break the rule of 2
@@modernerdadaismus8430 I always thought Maul was Sidious' secret apprentice as he planned to overthrow plageuis, similar to how Galen Marek was Darth Vader's secret apprentice to overthrow Sidious
@@modernerdadaismus8430 Pop open a new tab and read up on "retcons"
@@TheSoloManiactechnically Vader wasn't going to use him to kill sidious. He says that in the game on alderran
He broke the Rule of 1 1/2.
"the master and apprentice is more like a guideline than an actual rule" - Palpatine and Plagueis
The rule of 2 is one of the most misunderstood pieces of lore in Star Wars as per Lucas’ intentions.
@@TheMonkeygoneape I understood that reference!
Plagues also broked it too .
@@Thebroshow13 as did Tenebrous.
“It’s like poetry, it rhymes.”
0:09 So he’s just chilling in a dark corner huh? first in The Acolyte and now in TPM? Poor Plaguise deserves more spotlight.
What is PTH? That's the Phantom Menace. Those letters aren't even close to right.
Ah yes, PTH
Phe Thantom Henace was certainly a movie
Edit: OP edits the comment and still gets it wrong. PTM? Phantom The Menace? SMH...
@@thebaronlouis8619 congrats on never making a typo. Is it possible to learn this power?
@@InhabitantOfOddworld
Is that the special theatrical test screening where they cast Mike Tyson in it?
@@InhabitantOfOddworld dont worry ill try again
Remember that in order to kill a Sith Lord they must be drunk
Yep. This is actually my FAVORITE SW books, right after Thrawn. The monologue at the end is so great. If anyone hasn't read this, or listened to the audio book, please do yourself a kindness and get on that asap!
HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE AUDIO BOOK VERSION. The voice acting was superb, and the delivery of the monologue (you'll understand when it happens) is quite possibly the best part about it.
It is so interesting that Palpatine was still an apprentice in episode 1 while after he became chancellor and killed his master plagius he became the master!
The demeaner and everything fits too up to that point, he is much more unassuming and youthful.
technically he was an apprentice, but unofficially they were partners and planning to end the rule of 2 by becoming immortal and ruling the galaxy as partners forever. That is until Sidious decided otherwise.
Wait what I wrote sounds kinda romantic lmao
I didn't even know Plagueis was alive at the time this is really cool
Check out the Plagueis novel or audiobook. It's my favorite star wars novel
He wasn't...well...it depends. In Lucas' Star Wars, Plagueis died years ago. But the expanded universe Plagueis novel, which does have some cool bits, has him stick around throughout Phantom Menace in the background because I guess the writer thought it would be cool. So whether Plagueis was alive then or not depends on how you view the expanded universe. For Lucas himself, the expanded universe was more like alternate universe fan fiction, separate from what he was doing with the movies.
@@jedsithorI’ll take Lucas’ version over some novel any day.
@@lonster3000have you read it ? It isn’t just some novel it’s basically Star Wars episode 0.
@@lonster3000you’re missing out man. The Plagueis novel is incredible.
“I have killed my master! I am now the Master. Maul and I shall honor the rule of two and rule the galaxy!”
“Chancellor Palpatine, sir; Darth Maul has been killed!”
“… I have miscalculated…”
This video made realise that at some point there were like four dark side force users (Sith, if you will) at the same. Plagueis was still alive, Maul was ''recruited'' by Sidious, obv. Sidious, and Dooku was working along with Sidious as well.
Just imagine it was darth plagueis instead of maul who met with Palpatine in the phantom Menace and said "at last we will have revenge"
Plagueis really likes to hide around dark corners, huh?
Plagueis: bruh
If Plagueis was actually Snoke. It’d have been two simultaneous non-deaths
I hate the idea that Plagueis is still alive in TPM. For me it just makes no sense that Sidious has an adept while his master is still around.
Sounds dumb. Like they are using known facts to hide lack of creativity in writing
Why? Dooku did with ventress. He likely just saw maul as a pet for ol palps.
@@seabass819 he was a pet to Sidious too. In the novel Maul is framed as expendable, and a casualty at the end of it. He was just the trashman to do the dirty work. I guess Vader filled that role as well in a way
Just like rewatching the likes of Odd Taxi and rereading the likes of The Lord of the Rings' Appendices. Things start out quite simple and entertaining enough, and yet redigesting the material as time goes by sure feels really rewarding because of new concurrent information.
Anyways, there is also the time Plagueis was watching Anakin and Qui-Gon's midichlorian discussion, which led him to see a powerful vision of what's to come, I think.
If only Obi0wan had sliced Qui-gon in half across the spot he had been stabbed and then dropped him down a bottomless pit he might have lived.
Thank you for pointing out some of the ridiculousness of all this.
Had qui gon just been stabbed later on with disney running things he would have survived
"We're all well aware" HUH!? i never knew that
0:51 I’ve always thought that the person sitting in the back of the pod with his hood up was in fact Plagueis and I don’t care if that’s not cannon. It’s got to be him; looks too much like him!
Oh yeah. I never noticed that. It wouldn't have been done for a reason then though so I think it will just remain a cool idea. Good eyes
First of all, it's "canon." If you can't get this right, you are uniquely unqualified to EVER talk about what is, and isn't canon.
Ever. Literally at all. Ever again.
@@davemccombsgo walk into traffic
@@davemccombs absolute dork
@@davemccombsyou're such a petty loser 😂 three people just showed how pathetic you are for caring about the spelling so much and being such a jerk and petty loser about it
Died because his sleep apnea machine broke? yeah ok this epic.
The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis off Screen 😮💀
So palpatine just goes around zapping everyone’s breathing machine lol
One of my favorite books. The political aspect alone is fascinating, which is surprising to me because usually sci-fi and fantasy novels don’t cover that side well enough or not at all.
First Star Wars book I read and boy do I not regret it. Lot of background information that recontextualize a lot of events during and before TPM
That book is legends, I can’t keep having this conversation
I always thought it funny that the scene with Maul in hologram (1:09) is essentially the ready room from Star Trek TNG. I thought so ever since I saw in the theater in '99
I feel like palps og plan was to have dooku be a figure head only and not his apprentice and that maul would be his behind the scenes agent and ruler in the CIS like how he was on mandalore
It's difficult to say what Palp's "original plan" was, since it constantly adapts to changing circumstances. It's been a while since I've read Plagueis, but if memory serves, Palpatine was grooming Dooku to be a potential second apprentice long before Maul died. He saw great use in a Jedi whose dual loyalties to his heritage and open mindedness about the Force would allow him to be corrupted.
Have you heard the Plagety of Darth Tragedious the Wise
-Darth Plagueis to Palps while drunk
What took place in Tales of the Jedi when Palpatine began to recruit Count Dooku to be his next apprentice took place shortly after this? Whenever Yadle also became a casualty of Dooku’s change in allegiance
So I guess “it happened off-screen” is the new “because multiverses”?
The thumbnail is so eerie because it looks like it could actually be in the movie lol
I liked the part where Maul died. Also Plageuis was killed after Palpatine became Chancellor at night. Why else would DP be sleeping.
When Obi Wan killed him the first time or the 2nd time? 🤔
@@stevoc9930 It was a joke
@@iiDTC Ditto
Honestly Palpatines angry speech while killing his master has got to be one of the most standout moments in all of star wars for me
I feel like it’s up to the individual to decide if this is canon or not. Like it could be easily, but is never implied in the movies. Also just undercuts Palpatine as THE mastermind and main villain and breaks the rule of two which we again never see in the movies.
I do like the fact how Palpatine at first saw himself achieving much with Maul, but after his "death" and the existence of Anakin his plans were altered for the better.
It helps explain why Maul was slow to react to Obi-Wan, if he was distracted by his Master's dark side outlow while killing Plageuis
This is the kind of stuff that should have been in the movies instead of extended material.
It wasn't in the movies because it didn't actually happen. It's simply rewriting and tying in with old Remember Berries to make it seem relevant.
It would have been werd to see Darth Plaegis in SW1 without any context, considering Darth Maul and Darth Sidious already haven’t that much screen time. Plus most of his story happened before SW1
Just pointing an arrow at some random spot to keep people guessing 🤣
it's really funny to me, someone who listened to the entirety of the audio book, knowing exactly where he was during that scene, and seeing comments here being confused, or just downright believing that lol.
These people need to read the novel or get the audio book lol (which I recommend more, the voice acting was superb, and the licensed SFX/music makes it so much better as well)
@@Sphendrana Agree, I listened to all of them and it's like hearing a movie. They were great
Can't wait until the day - probably within 24-years' time - when the entire SW universe has been retconned to the point where None of It actually happened, and was instead something like a dream, or probably something Neo hallucinated in the Matrix.
Bro is in 1 of the vases
Palpatine don't give a fuck, keeping his pimp hand strong
If Maul didn't really die, though, then how could Palpatine have "sensed another loss" through the Force? I sometimes wonder if Maul's return was too "forced," as it were, for drama purposes. Sometimes it is simpler to let a death really be a death.
I would maybe think the same IF the case wasn't that mauls return allowed maul to become an infinitely better character, and his return definitely made far much more sense than Palpatines return lol
And I believe maybe Palpatine felt some sort of loss not over death but probably mauls defeat in general
Though I do respect your view, I think maul really added to obi wans story
The novel was published in Jan. Maul's return was aired in March of the same year. And it was simply a retcon by Dave Filoni after the book was released. This was also before Disney's purchase which was later that year when they started to be much more careful with Canon/Legend conflicts in lore. So just an unfortunate mishap where the author was not notified of upcoming changes to pre-Disney lore.
- Charlie
It’s called corporate greed man. You’re right. But don’t “think about it” you are spot on. It’s literally fiction. Think what you want about it
0:08 ....where in god's name do you see Darth Plagueis The Wise in that darkness...all I see is the shadow, even at full bightness
Fan Theory: What if Palpatine failed to assasinate Plageous, and was caught in the act?
Would Palpatine get axed? How would the Sith plan change? Would it chnage?
Achieves immortality but still needs a cpap machine, stellar writing 🤌
So Maul was never a true apprentice according to the Rule of Two.
That doesn't make sense, Darth Plagueis could simply kill Sidious for having an apprentice right? violating the rule of 2, means that Sidious plans to overthrow Plagueis.
Plagueis himself allowed him to have an apprentice previously in the novel.
By the way, I don't think that novel is cannon in the disney timeline.
Palpatine somehow survived
I didn't know it because its all retconned BS. Plagius wasn't in the Phantom Menace, Lucas never wrote that, and he would in fact ruin the whole rule of two and reduce Darth Maul to a not really Sith, merewly a pretender henchman.
Don't prop up terrible retcons, ignore them.
Only he didn't die, that's legends stuff that has been retconned.
"Two there are, no more no less." Explain. Not exactly "immortal" if you can be killed.
The Phantom Menace was my favorite Star Wars movie as a kid and, after reading Darth Plaugeis for the first time last year, it is my favorite once again.
It’s such a damn fun movie. I don’t get the hate. 😕
@@SFisher1993 Not to mention, the Jedi are the underdogs while still being the representatives of the standing government, _cough_ Sequels _cough_
I thought that black figure was Palpatine's master as well! 😂
I need to read the book, man
I think it would have been GREAT if Plagueis was in the movie!!!! 🙌 ❤
Star Wars can’t follow its own rules. “Always two there are.”
Are you saying the evil emperor of the facist space empire might not follow the rules of some long dead bald guy?
It's more of a guideline
maul dies in rebels after getting struck down by kenobi
I'd love to know what the original plan for jar jar was, was he ment to be one of plagues apprentices or one of plapatines, there's too many seemingly random actions he takes that have had to be planed for in filming but never explained such as his mumbling in the back ground when the guard insists the Queen goes with them on tatooine
Plagueis did not exist when Phantom Menace was written.
No, there absolutely are not, and only completely braindead tools are still trotting out this odd fascination with trying to ship Jar Jar as some significant villain character.
He isn't, and the fact that you can't understand that a children's character in a children's movie acting like a child doesn't warrant a grand conspiracy is fucking pathetic.
Seriously, what is wrong with you?
@@jamessloven2204 They don't want to hear that. He'll never reply to that.
They've been trotting out this almost fanatic obsession with making Jar Jar into a secret villain that will "unlock" the "true" story of the franchise once they "figure it out" for 25 years
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I wish it was somehow mentioned in the movie. Or Darth Plagueis should have been died long before movie events.
I wonder if this will be used in future novels to show the Dark side telling Palpatine that he was meant to be the "One True Sith"
I'd actually prefer if he was an old Sith legend as stated in ROTS, instead of this convoluted mess. Did he create life and prevent his loved ones from dying? Who are these loved ones? Did he teach his apprentice everything or didn't he? Who named him "the Wise" since only his master and eventual apprentice knew of him? What wisdom was this outside of some vague eugenics that may or may not be true? Oh, it's not a story the Jedi would tell? How could they? Since apparently the mf was still alive while Anakin was doing his Formula 1 thing on Tatooine feeding Qui-Gon's gambling addiction.
The galaxy already feels small with everybody bumping into each other, and now even this 'old Sith legend' was alive and well 12 years ago.
Perhaps Palpatine (who's obviously not above lying and manipulation) made up the "legend" and "the Wise" parts while talking about it with Anakin?
@robertlupa8273 Might as well make up the whole story then, being the prince of lies of Star Wars and all. Not take a guy you apparently knew personally and smothered with a pillow than ad-lib some convoluted nonsense about it being something that happened long ago. It adds nothing to the bait.
I kind of like the idea that the opera scene is the one time Palpatine is telling the truth. Just baiting Anakin without lying. You, know, ironic with him being a liar every other time.
Darth Plague us, the gingivitis.
Possibly the best star wars book? I would say definitively the best.
Nah, there are some heavy contenders. Revenge of the Sith and Traitor, mainly.
@@LegendsLiterature Every single book involving Mitth'raw'nurodo (aka Grand Admiral Thrawn for those yet to have read any of these) for me lol.
Nah mate the thrawn trilogy easily are the best
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@@seabass819 All three trilogies at that!
Thrawn / Aliences / Treason
Ascendancy: Chaos Rising / Greater Good / Lesser Evil
and of course the OG trilogy.
My introduction however with Thrawn was Outbound Flight. Instantly hooked and sought out more books to devour. And then Zhan just casually releases the Ascendancy trilogy right as I finished Treason. Never had such a *Grand* time with a series of trilogies.
The Audio Book format is top tier though, the licensed SFX and Music coupled with superb voice acting for Thrawn just hits so different.
crazy how I don't see the Bane trilogy listed here. It's my close 2nd to the Plagueis book. Also SWtOR Deceived is pretty fun
Palps was on Grindr
It doesn’t make sense for Plagueis to let Palpatine have an apprentices like Maul while he’s still around given the Sith’s rule of two (granted, we now know that something like that happened with an old apprentice of his in the acolyte but the show got canceled before it could shed more light on that)
A sith lord would only have one offical apprentice, but he would keep a few potential replacements around as insurance in case the current one doesn't work out. Such deceit and scheming behind the scenes is the sith way, plus an apprentice looking to become a master would also be on the look out for a potential candidate or 2 as well.
@@CreatureOfTheVoid True but this video makes it sound like Plagueis allowed Palpatine to take both his place as the Sith master and a Sith apprentice before Palpatine killed him which isn’t how the rule of two works
@@DCUniverse816 He basically did, he suffered from the same fate all sith suffer from, Arrogance, he believed he had palpatine figured out in that once palp had control of the republic he would be content to let plagueis run things from behind the scenes in much the same way palp fell to vader believing vader would never turn on him despite telling luke to take his father place.
Even plagueis master had a secert apprentice hidden the in the works in case plagueis didnt work out, but after his death that apprentice challenged plagueis and lost.
Bains rule of 2 was basically and Ideal to stop the infighting between sith lords after that infighting had brought them to ruin. but its just that, an ideal, we have no way of knowing just how many sith are actually out there and if they even bother with the rule of 2, the EU has an entire world of lost sith turn up later down the line
It’s just a damn shame none of the movies after the first 3 ever did anything with this extended story of palpatine. Really all they did was make his life’s work incredibly stupid and only because he got lucky.
What were they going to do, bring back a dead Sith Lord in Rise of Skywalker?
@@jamessloven2204
Disney: “Hey, now there’s an idea…”
I mis-heard breathing device as "Breifing device" aka a device to keep one aware of current events. Makes sense now
Don't drink and Sith, it can get you and others hurt.
I never was a fan of the Plagueis novel or the idea that Palpatine was his apprentice.
For starters, the rule of two pretty much cements the fact that a Sith apprentice cannot have his own apprentice.
My understanding of the word “legend” is a tale that speaks of an event that happened many generations ago. So far ago that determining the facts around it are vague, which makes the probability of it happening unproven. Palpatine using the word “legend” when telling Anakin about Plagueis, and the tone to which the story is told, gave me the impression that this was a story told to Palpatine by his master, who obviously learned it from his master, and so on.
I know cannon makes me wrong, I don’t need anyone jumping on me about that. However, does my thoughts make any real sense?
Yes, they make sense. I suppose Palpatine simply lied to Anakin about the "legend" part _(well, and the part where Plagueis's apprentice was him)._
Darth Plagueis is a great book.
Anyone here see the Plaguies stopmotion??
Meh, I always thought it was stupid that Plagueis was around during Phantom Menace. Thankfully it's not something that's in the movies so I can ignore it.
It’s crazy to think about it, Palpatine all within episode 1, still had his master Plagueis before killing him, Maul, and Dooku, he literally had 2 secret apprentices right under Plagueis nose
Big ups for using Mirror's Edge music
What a stupid plot. “He had a little too much to drink.”
The Plagueis novel would be a great two season TV series
Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise ?
Maul died... but he survived!
Was I the only one who didn’t know plageuis was in that scene with palpatine and maul😭
mirror's edge soundtrack goes hard. Unexpected
Maul’s death wasn’t retconned he just didn’t die lmao
i really dont think with how powerful and smart darth plagueis was that he would be so foolish enough to die a dumbass death like that
he wanted to lose doku but not maul, interesting
Dooku was too much of a Jedi, even after he turned. He was foolish to trust Palpatine.
I didn't know he was sick
He wasn't sick...he was just missing part of his jaw after he nearly assassinated a decade earlier.
I just read Shadow Hunter, and it's funny. In it Sidious refers to himself as one half of the Sith order. He never says who the other half is.
SO PLAGUEIS WAS ALIVE DURING NABOO'S INVASION!!!! THAT'S A NEWS!!!!!!!!
Mirror's Edge music! This plays during the Jacknife chapter!
It's the chicken
not the same apartment. Palpatine and Maul were talking in 500 Republica. Palpatine's residence.
Plagueis was killed in Kaldani Spires. Plagueis' residence.
Not even the same building. Kaldani Spires was in Manarai Mountains area. 500 Republica is in Ambassadorial area.
Damn... I'm really going to have to read the Darth Plageis novel one of these days.
Is Plageuis being on the Balcony while Sidious and Maul are a retcon in the novel. that is, when Lucas made Ep I, did he know at that time Plagueis was there? Just wondering is that explains why no hint of it at all in the movie itself.
This was a retcon yes, Lucas did not initially plan to have Plagueis there until 10 years later. But that could be said for every single Clone Wars episode, the details just weren't there yet.
- Charlie
@@EcksClips Yeah, that’s very neat.
Maul surviving in Legends was weird.