This Simple Tip Will FIX YOUR POSITIONING! (2v2 Analysis)
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- This Simple Tip Will FIX YOUR POSITIONING! (2v2 Analysis)
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I could see you as a esport coach when you’re done playing, really analytical and great info
finally some advice that helps me, stuck in c1 for like 1-2 years now, got close to c2 but never reached it.
the spacing is what im doing wrong, i am too far away which doesnt lead to overcommitting for me most of the time, but just simply no goals / not enough pressure.
i definitely need to really think about this spacing the next time im playing.
since im playing solo Q only, i developed a pretty defensive playstyle, since most mistakes of teammates come from overcommiting. but this might be the thing that will help me the most.
im glad i watched the video 👍
Well at some point it is better to not solo Q. I know its tough since friends playing this game or even at the same skill level are rare. Still besides your own issues, you having to adapt to different playstyles in every new match just makes it that much harder on yourself.
I feel this, that's how I grew over the last two years. Gotta love solo q
@@reinerhoch1357 yeah i know, but only my brother plays the game sometimes, and hes low diamond, i still play with him, i can hold mid c1 pretty good with him, but gets rough a little higher. my friend group is a bit devided on games :D and since im already pretty old, not that many friends that are gamers anymore
@@FlexNiko ask me C2 and 47 years old ^^
@@FlexNikoI highly recommend finding a league, it helps finding some orgs who run their own seasons for games. Granted milage may vary but you can always find folks around the same skill level to play with. If you want to stick with a team for a long time, I recommend a org based sign up league such as Los Champs, Royalty Series, Rocket League Splash Series, BlackLine Championship series, or orgs along that line. If you want more community/draft based, I recommend orgs such as Mystic Rocket League (just started), United Rogue (around for 5 or 6 years), RSC, Minor League Esports (7 years of activity), or Rocket Underground (going into their 4th season after their playoffs). The draft based ones typically lead to orgs developing communities to be welcoming to players and encourage people to find games outside RL and in RL. If you are EU based, I know Royalty Series has a EU circuit as well.
I swear Jack has got to change his name to SimpleAsThatJack... literally his favorite phrase lmao
Even better : SimpleJack
lol
NotGonnaLieJack
But i thought i just had to Quad Reset Musty Psycho to win ???
true tho.....
thats an option
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the funny 🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂 it’s the funny
BuT iM pLaT anD ALl mY oPpONeNts cAn QuInTA reSeT MuStY pSYcHo
that’s the main thing i need.. i think jack was giving us like cherry on top but the most important thing to think about is penta heli musty double psychos
As a champ 2 player, these advices are still really really good! The way you explained every situation opened my eyes to what I could do better. I’m gonna be honest I never really understood rotations in 2s, because I always felt the need to go for boost, giving up possession as you said. But now I get how this thing could work. Probably gonna watch this video tomorrow as well, before playing. Thanks Jack!🤝🏼
21:47 I do this without thought and is exactly what I needed to hear; great analysis
Crazy to see this type of coaching, and then see the videos of you coaching jorhdys. Completely different people I swear
Great video!
The info and way you’re explaining it is very well done.
It’s nice to see that after Squishys retirement, and with how much he inspired you, you’ve focused on teaching. You’ll have a legacy of players that learned and got better thanks to your content.
It’s been amazing watching you grow over the past few years and I think you’ve hit such a high tier or content. Very very well played 👏
Wow! Great advise man,,Wow!! Would love more videos like this that acctually explains what,where,when and why you need to do things,Great content.
this analysis helped me a lot. i see me in the same situations where I choose the wrong decision like the player of this replay. i hope i can adjust my spacing to my teammate better because the options i have with the better positioning is kinda broken. never saw that. Thank you jack
Thank you Jack-senpai. Your tutelage over the years has genuinely helped me improve.
Jack, I LOVE YOU, this video was soo amazing, thank you so much 🙏 This will help others and me so much
Great analysis! Thank you for the tips!
As a new diamond 2, this is extremely helpful on positioning and what to do with the ball (clearing and similar situations).
love your analysis videos jack really hope you can do some rlcs breakdowns too :3 you the best
First time watching a RL analysis video. Learned a lot thanks for posting.
This is exactly the same issues I am having in my 2s games. I keep trying to figure out how to close the distance down because I am so far out of the play when they get possession. Thanks for pointing this out, great video!
I was waiting for another 2v2 one! me and my friend's games aren't going well, maybe I'll learn something from this :)
more please these are so good
For me the biggest thing about this play at 4:30 is the thought, what do you think you win out of hitting the ball with a flip into the corner, are you hoping for a miracle of hitting the corner wall and beating both opponents and it ending up in goal (VERY little chance) or the more probable outcome is that you will hit it into the wall and you opponents will get a head start on you back towards you goal because your flip will not resolve immediately with a ball going fast already. Dont flip into corners... fake challenge and turn back or at very least only do a drive challenge and skip the flip. Im no coach but I do think that a lot of intermidiate players could follow Cbells advice and stop flipping into challenges to minimize overcommits.
Bro wrote a book
Yes. In situations like this you should fake challenge and shadow till your tm8 gets boost. If the opponents tm8 was out of the play, I would challenge without flipping since I can assume that the person on the ball has no boost or either no momentum. A key skill is predicting how much boost you opponent has and whether challenging leads to your tm8 having possession or you challenging or perhaps demoing to have a quick counter attack. Momentum really carries an impact in whether your play is effective. Especially at low boost like in the replay, the guy should’ve definitely not only picked up more pads but also fake the challenge for his tm8 while also watching out for the mid pass or bump from the other opponent.
make it simpler: corners are NOT a direct threat on either side. unless you follow the ball closely(controlling it) to pass, stall time or even try set up a shot. this then becomes a threat.
@@Highinhills You're in an analysis video's comments and you are making fun of people writing analysis. That is daft.
@@blooodbat007 your in a analysis video commenting on my comment. That is omega
Heya Jackyboyyyy. Just wanted to say thank you man, for being one of the best human beings in this game. There's been an influx of toxicity lately in this game and generally, it's the least skilled person in the match or someone who thinks 350 pts at the end of a match is actually a good thing. Both times I've personally encountered you you were a class act. Thank you for that, genuinely.
Hands down the best analysis online of a game on all of youtube.
you're the man Jack thank you
Analzying champions and diamonds games gives the most juice to me! Thank u Jack
Even though I'm sitting around the GC1 level, I still got some good info that I havn't really thought of yet. Always love a AppJack vid.
Thanks Jack!
super good info
Thanks brother!
i know I commented here 2 times already, but @ApparentlyJack - the positioning tip got me out of the diamond III (yesterday).
I started also noticing, that my teammates have the same issue, not being close enough = putting your teammate out of position.
Thank you for this, I think I was stuck at D III for 3 months. (I also checked my record, its 458h)!
On the mistakes in shadowing, "covering the corner", i do the same thing as this player, but it's not about covering the corner at all. The intent is to make sure the entire threat space is in front of the car, so that when the dribbler makes their move you can drive as fast as you can to cut off the ball, because it won't be possible for them to cut the ball back behind you. It's like covering the goal from the back post... You're not trying to cover the back post, your trying to cover everything in front of it.
I'm sure Jack's right, but as analyzed is hard to reconcile what we're trying to do with what we're supposed to be trying to do, without making things worse.
Bro I love this replay analysis, thank you! Please do more! This is the first I've seen from you so I'm about to see if there are more
Edit:oh I'm dumb! You've got them numbered, I thought I was subscribed already...
thanks for goin through the trouble to remake it!
Brilliant training Alex . We all learn bad skills with no training . Problem is trying to change bad habits after years of doing it wrong
Could you give some ideas about what you should do as the blue teammate (Gimpotent) playing with a teammate like this? I.e., how should you compensate for a teammate whose positioning is consistently too passive?
Yessss, a D3 2v2 replay! My rank, definitely going to benefit!
This simple tip DID fix my positioning and i went from diamond 2 to champ 1 for the first time! Thanks!
I’m a simple man. I see appjack analysis. I like and subscribe
Thanks for the brighter pen colors! The black was killing me eyes 😅
I hover between d3 and c1 usually and usually play 2s. I do the same thing, keep a lot of space between my teammate and me. Reason is because every single time I've tried being closer the opponent will hit, 50, or pinch the ball right over my head into my goal......
I think you're right... When I fall down to plat this happens more often so I feel I have to gap more to avoid giving up goals and falling further in rank. Up a couple ranks into diamond, and teammates seem to be better at picking and executing their fifties, long goals aren't as frequent and second man can play closer in support. So the advice is good for a D3 because he's probably got a teammate that can prevent the ugly long goals as first man.
Im c3 and i cant even flip reset, ceiling shot, musty, speed flip, or half flip that well. I just learned how to air dribble (kinda). Reading the other cars on the pitch is the number 1 reason i reached c3. Not giving the ball away is crucial. And bumping/demoing smartly almost always gives you free possession/shot.
Hey jack, was wondering how I can give you a replay to analize from me.
Would love to see your opinion on my game.
As a gc2 I still lack spacing sometimes but now I understand the importance of supporting your tm8
Great vid! At 27:30 you say that the teammate is really bad the whole game, but IMO he is simply compensating for the playstyle of the guy you're reviewing. The guy under review is often a full pitch length behind him, not involved in the play, leaving him to hang, right? Then it's not really a surprise then that gimpotent goes for touches when he shouldn't be, because in his mind, his teammate probably isn't there. And he can't see him with ball cam.
This is a prime example how inconsistent positioning creates confusion that drags a team down. It would even be better if J0d0H always positions a full pitch behind (consistently). When I play with ultra wide spacing players like this, as long as they are consistent, there's really no problem (although of course I prefer a more supporting player).
How do you get the chance to get a replay analysis?
Hey Jack, just wondering if I’m able to submit console gameplay, if so how do I do so?
I understand that I need to get height on the ball (on touches like you mentioned on aerials), the issue is, i don't know how to get the height touch & to stay close to the ball (the area where to hit the ball and how should i rotate my car to make it stay close).
Usually how it goes 21:57 - this is very common in diamond III
The issue that (at least I as a diamond III div 3-4 player feel), is that if i try to get to the lower part of the ball, after the touch, ill be in front of the ball, because I didn't speed it up enough, if i touch it as the player in the video, I just give the possession away. (or I get beat to the ball)
I've only played this game 300h, but yeah, I'm stuck in diamond III with a really similar gameplay. I do like the points where you tell where or how to position, very useful - I noticed from my replays that I'm covering the corner as well in 1 v 1 situations, gonna fix that..
Similar tip as my other reply, boost to get close to the ball and then let off once your momentum will carry you to the touch. This will give you a soft touch and save you some boost so you can turn it into a ground to air dribble play.
Always good to bait your opponents into your corner. Chances are they mess up the pass or shot and you have a decent counter attack opportunity more often than not. Especially good if you find your opponents are cheating up too much.
Brooooo im D3 div 3 hard stuck high diamond rarely get in champ only if I play with my champ friend I’m kindve mechanical I have the exact problem as in this video it’s going to help my games so much thank u so much for this I needed it 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
How do you submit a replay for him to analyze?
Hello, I'm c1 and want to get ssl. Can you suggest me a routine or things to do
One video I feel is missing from youtube, is how to get control touches in the air. I mean, (what direction to rotate car & when should I be pulling back or pushing forward on different touches in the air). There is literally nothing on this subject on youtube, but its a whole science. Currently I have discovered some stuff out on trial an error - but I think that would be an unique video to make.
For example, wall to air tribble, you sometimes don't need to boost towards the ball to get height on it (to stay controlled) but just directional air roll in the way that your car corner hits the lower part of the ball, so it gets height or if you pitch forward on the first touch it sets you up for double taps etc.
At least as diamond III, close to champ who tries to learn (300h currently on track) it's really frustrating that I don't know how to get control touches on air (and what part I should be hitting ball with + pitching / rotating) + It's way harder to get it in trial & error, because you need to set it up every time (on ground its easier to practice control touches by trial & error)
The general idea of getting controlled air touches is you need to play the opposite side of the ball as you want it to go. If you need the ball to stay high in the air, your car nose needs to be lower on the ball. If you want to push the ball right, then it needs to be on the lower left corner. Also, if you want to get more controlled air dribbles, try to not boost when you are about to make the first touch. This will lightly tap the ball and give you the chance to glue it to your car.
I think the main reason why there aren’t videos on air roll is because it’s something that becomes muscle memory after a while. It’s really hard to explain how to use it in every situation because it just feels natural once you have thousands of hours in the game.
Analyzing games below C2 is so hard to watch. Something I notice all the time is that the last guy back is never comfortable with that position. Get good at 1s, learn shadow defense. People emphasize offense mechanics all the time, and neglect their defensive game awareness.. often challenging the play too early when their teammate is out of the play.
How long did it take u to get further than this? I had to rework my whole thought process to be defense first and capitalize on mistakes more than trying to force goals. I can now sit in net and almost guarantee mvp in a game (assuming we win ofc) but Im very hesitant to leave sometimes. Would u say controlling the ball better after like a first touch would be the next step to peak even further into c1?
@@MatttKelly Controlling the ball is much better than smacking it away but rocket league is always going to be situational, but ideally controlling and keeping possession is better in the long run.
@@MatttKelly Being a defensive-first player and capitalizing on mistakes is a great start to switching up your mindset from Diamond into Champ and beyond. Defense is such a lost skill nowadays where the player-base is idolizing mechanics over fundamentals, but...
"I can now sit in net and almost guarantee mvp in a game (assuming we win ofc) but Im very hesitant to leave sometimes."
This is the wrong mindset as you climb the ranks where shots come at net faster, from tighter angles and with the help of more mechanics; if you're sitting in net without momentum, it makes making these saves way more difficult. It's easier and more boost-efficient speeding up while you already have /some/ momentum (no need to be supersonic 24/7) than stopped in net. Majority of my last man defensive saves come from driving across the net where you have more coverage.
Agreed with harj812 as well, RL is always situational and is a game where information should enforce your decision making, which just comes with more time and experience. If you're focused on improving and recognizing and capitalizing on fixing your mistakes, you'll climb the ranks :)
@hocplyr98 Thanks man this comment section has been super helpful. Everyone's so polite and the advice is killer.
I agree 100% w you. defense only gets u so far. I'm going to start working on controlled posession and ground control more while incorporating what jack says about splitting the field into 1/4s.
I'm also wondering, if I have the option for a poor 50 on their side of the field or to head back, maybe pick up some pads, and look for a better opportunity. (Situational ofc) but I should always look for better chances even if it means pulling back instead of pushing forward (assuming the 50 would be bad/not ideal) Sometimes I don't know when to push forward and when to pull back so I play it safe and pull back
My issue is when I'm last man and I've got 2 strikers positioning. Usually I can keep them from scoring but sometimes if they play it smart you just can't do anything.
10:45 Bro I started doing that after a shameful 1s game and it's so effective
Literally the best explanation and he said it was a rough explanation lol 😂 💀
Um suprised everytime by the knowledge you have
what's a "positioning"?
I peak at high champ 2. The spacing of 3rds and 4ths will help me progress. You are the man Jack. Thank you
Everything working
Where can i submit a replay?
I would love to get a replay review I have been hard stuck champ 1-2 for over 10 seasons in 2s
Analysis of ur series against Joreuz?
"covering the corner" is literally my go-to defensive position in 2s... seems like i need to rewire my brain lol. As a side question, is "covering your corner" a bad thing to do in 1v1s as well?
I have exactly the same issue as this guy so im interested too see what u say
As someone who just broke into champ as a solo queue, if you are high diamond you are good enough to be closer to your teammate as last man. Will you get caught out here and there? Yes. But peoples defense is so much better and trying to score on a 1v2 is just not viable. Stay close, and when you’re rotating out don’t just go straight back. Keep an eye on the play and turn on a pass if able, even at 20 boost.
New faveourite Jack quote. "I just realised I'm very white!" Appjack - 2024
Fix my position any day Jack 😘
I can’t sub on twitch so I can’t do my reply in a vid but this vid kinda helpful cuz I got the game in August and stuck in d2 atm
At 34:26 you point out the mistakes he should never go for that ball, yet he did but his following recovery is what actually made this mistake so fatal. If he recovered half way decent he would have been back first and would have been able to defend instead of leaving an open net for a counter attack. I think the lack of recovery was not stressed enough. Also at 20:07 he gets a bumb and it was a good bumb for him but again his lack in recoveries made him loose all the momentum. He needs to learn to hold the drift button when getting bumbed like that.
"I just realized im very white" oml this would be so funny out of context
do c3 replay
I'm guessing the teammate started making bad touches as 1st man because he noticed that this guy was never there to follow up
Jack I know you said his tm8 is playing weird but can't that be as a result of this persons positioning? He seems to never play 1st man, and plays so far back as if he's a 3rd man, and that is forcing his tm8 to constantly go for the ball, and they missed multiple opportunities to score because of this players positioning, is there a way to overcome getting a teammate that positions this far back? Because this is an issue I run in to
Rotate earlier, give up on a few plays, create a vacuum your teammate is forced to drive into. He can't stay back forever if you're literally behind him and no one is challenging the ball.
This won't work in bronze, but I've jump started a few rotations this way in plat and diamond.
@snarkybark I'm in D3/C1 and still get tm8s that do that and I will do what you just said and forcefully go behind them, this results in them being super uncomfortable on the ball, throwing away possession, and leaving me in a 2v1, and when I try and give up on plays earlier to force them to move up and play it then results in us getting boost starved on our half, it just always seems like a lose lose situation no matter what
@@EricMango lol .. yeah, I've had that, too. If there's a silver lining, at least you know they're probably not going to get better if they keep doing what they're comfortable with. Maybe you can still get better trying to solo carry in hope of leaving them behind? Or maybe it just becomes a bad habit... Idk
@@EricMangoIt happens all throughout the ranked ladder. The important thing to remember is 1 bad game won’t completely hold your rank back. If you keep working on yourself and improving, you’ll reach a point where you can carry those teammates and make it to the next rank. Just keep focusing on improvement and the wins will come your way!
While I can't disagree with anything Jack says of course, I think he still has a very pro mindset. After peaking champ 1 and getting 5 Diamond tournament wins this season, I can say the #1 way to get into champ 1 is to slow down and always cover your net. Defense first. Capitalize on the opponents mistakes. The goals aren't handed out for free anymore, but If you play smart, slow, and defensively, there is a much higher chance the opponents mess up before you do. Thus leading to a goal.
After 1k+ hrs and now lv2500 I had to completely rework what I was doing. Now I'm capable of dropping 1k in D3 games just sitting in net and making clears and taking controlled posession. I return behind my tm as soon as I can no longer make a good play on the ball, pick up some pads, check if i need to turn and make a save or block, then if not just sit in net till the ball comes my way basically. I opt to stay closer to the net cause it gives me time to pick the perfect moment to strike. I would say more than 60% of goals scored by either team are unsavable due to poor positioning or mistakes at this rank. Just be patient, and your time will come. Think how often you see your tms throw themselves at the ball randomly. It's your job as the "better player" to compensate for their mistakes. If they ball chase just yeet it out from the goal line and pass to them and return back asap for the defense and another clear. Its all about predicting what your opponents will do and playing accordingly.
The problem with such mindset is that it builds a habit and it's very short-term. It's much better to "play like a pro would" (jack's advice) because then it will lead you to not only leaving diamond but actually getting into champ and higher
@bbfh-yt This is facts, man. I literally had to rethink the way I play just to peak out of diamond. Now, Champ seems like the same battle, just w a much higher skill cap. Would you say C1 to C3 is a bigger leap than D1 to D3?
@@MatttKelly absolutely, even C1 and C2 has a noticeable distance in skill
mate,, you need to find reliable tm8,, you will easily get to high champ
I’ve been struggling playing with randoms for a year now. every game seems to be like gambling.
I used to get high C2 then in few days drop to D3 (loops)
until recently i found my self tm8 and now I’m very close to GC (currently C3 div 2) I’m hoping to hit GC before this season ends
I’m KBM player,, it’s extremely hard to get precise touches since it’s not analog input
good luck
@@98luky68 solo queuing, especially in plat-champ range is the biggest gamble in rocket league. So it's a good advice, but even if you don't have one make sure to adapt to how they are playing, being toxic is probably the worst thing you can do.
Despite that when I call my solo-queue teammates "plats" in chat they start scoring 5 goals a minute, idk the science behind it but that's how I rank up
9:36 how did he not get the boost what happened he drove right over it
How do we submit a replay for review?
If you're a tier 3 sub to him on twitch you i guess can send replays to him and he might choose your game to review
If this guy is stuck dia I’m ssl if my team would help me. This is satire to save my own ass. Great vid and to the guy who sent it in for review. Cheers m8
Sorry for commenting 2x But have you ever thought about doing longer vids? Like a couple hrs of Defense, couple hrs Offense. Like a class/ seminar series.
lmfao Gimpotent!
“This simple tip-“
*40 minutes later*
Jack please use your huge platform to tell people to cheat on kickoff. Cheating is just BETTER.
playing with randoms I agree, but cheating is not always better. Especially when players don't know how to properly cheat.
the biggest problem is, the DIAMOND can't do correctly evenn if they know what to do...
My only problem with these replay analysis’ is that what a pro would do is a totally different than what a mid rank player would/should do. His very first comment about that clear is an example. Both opponents were out of position. If he gets more power on that shot then it’s a goal. A lot of goals in 2s at lower ranks are open net clears.
It’s all good info I’m just saying that it’s very different from rank to rank.
I was thinking the same thing, that's an open net, and even if he shoots off target, the bounce will always offer an opportunity. I have the same issue with Flakes' R2SSL series. Not committing, faking, "simple touches" etc... sure, that's all well and good when you have the ball/car control to put the ball where you want it with one touch, when you decide to actually make the play. But when you are a Plat, it doesn't work like that. So "doing it easy" with a couple of single touches, is just not realistic at that rank, because the ball will bounce all over the place when you try to play like that, and you are far better off booming the ball any which way, away from your own goal.
Of course, if it is to learn long term and become better in the end, this makes sense. If it is to improve your result short term, it does not.
Jack can you analyse my replay? Im gc1/gc2
“Simple tip” - 40m video
Constructive criticism for you: Use slow-motion during your talking points instead of pausing and skipping back and forth so much, it's jarring. Watch from 19:30 to 20:40 and see how many interruptions there are. Camera switching is what it is without a script and editing of course, but try the slow mo out more often to keep the skipping and pausing at a minimum. This trick is helpful to redeem the spontaneous nature of instructive videos made on-the-fly.
Simple tip: 40 min video
Simple! 40 minutes later… 😂
30:15 in low ranks our tm8s turn back ball side so being closer is a double commit 80% of the time. And it happens right here.
Jack why dont you upload these on your main channel its peak RL content it would get more views there and people would like it i think?
unfortunately, viewer retention/view to click rates are incredibly important for the algorithm. If Jack uploaded these videos to his main channel, they would hurt his reach because these deep analysis videos don't get as many clicks per views/don't retain viewers for as long a percentage of the video as his regular, shorter videos.
Please, make them always so long.
40min video for one tip?
That’s just the title he is watching the full game bruh use ur brain why ur gold
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