Galaxy S24 Ultra: How PetaPixel (and Other Photographers) Keep Getting Android Cameras Wrong...
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- TEAM SGG PATREON / somegadgetguy So help me I'm doing a reaction video. The end is nigh. Following Samsung's Unpacked event, the guys at PetaPixel had a lot of thoughts to share about the S24 Ultra. During a recent podcast, they asked:
"Is AI camera tech enough to warrant a new phone model, since there wasn't any change in the hardware?"
Which is a pretty complicated topic to dig into. While the gents had a lot to say about Samsung (and Samsung's competition), I felt they also missed some key points. So here we are. I'm responding to a podcast.
I AM SO SORRY.
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Hey, Samsung did release a Note 8.
OH SHOOT! LOL I got that one wrong too. Guess it shows, we shouldn't rely on our memories for this kinda stuff.
No problem. I'm enjoying your content. I'm still using my Note 8 and will soon move to the Note 9. The S24 Ultra seems impressive but honestly I'm not interested in the AI features. I guess I really need to try out the S24U for myself.
It's tough right. If you aren't into AI though, you can score a better deal on a phone from 2023, and you would still have a MONSTER performance upgrade.
@@SomeGadgetGuy I haven't seen anything that really grabs my attention. I think it will be a few generations before that happens in terms of the way AI is used. The performance boost is great but what interests me most is the extended support.
It seems like a year was skipped because Samsung changed thr numbering scheme on the Note line to be in line with the S line. There was no Note 6. There was the Note 7 after the Galaxy S7 but we know what happened to the Note 7. And that's when the FE series of phones were born.
Really enjoying this style of video!
I could be wrong here, and I'm sorry, I'm only about half way through the video so far, but couldn't something as simple as the new 8 Gen 3 be considered a reasonably reasonable upgrade?
I assume that it has a different ISP to the 8 Gen 2 though could be wrong, so that in itself could help photo and video a little.
Often a newer version of a processor in a camera is mentioned as a big new feature on camera reviews, even if the sensor remains the same, an example being the Fujifilm X-S10 to X-S20
Yup. You're spot on. A lot of improvements come from the chip giving manufacturers a baseline for image processing, and those capabilities are also improved year over year from MediaTek and Qualcomm. We went YEARS with Apple selling phones with MINOR camera hardware differences, yet we don't stage these kinds of conversations after an iPhone launch.
"Did Apple do ENOUGH?"
We only seem to worry about upgrades after Android launches.
the facial expression in the thumbnail says it all, this is gonna be a great one!🤣🍿
"Why is video on Android so not good?" 😂😂😂 That question alone is ridiculous
Android manufacturers just must not care... Shame...
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I loved this format of video. It has the naturality of your opinions at the same time it brings a targeted discussion. Pretty good!
Recently the OM1 camera was updated after 2 years from the original with a "Mark ii" which didn't update the sensor or the processor. It apparently had a RAM upgrade which made it possible to shoot bursts for longer periods, and everything else was software features. That lead to a pretty big outcry.
Camera people expect a lot more hardware upgrades but phones in recent years have been mostly incremental in terms of HW upgrades.
Chris mentions that deep into the segment. I feel Chris actually considered the question and came up with the best points. He's also the main Android/Windows user of the group.
The skipped galaxy note was Note 6, and they did actually release a note that year. They just called it Note 7 (which was in fact the one that blew up) and the reason behind skipping the number was probably to make the numbering similar to the S series. Before that point, the note phones which were released after the S series phones would have a lower number (e.g. Note 3 was released after S4).
Yeah I goofed on that. In my brain the FE was a longer window until the Note 8. Just kinda proves my point, we probably shouldn't be riffing on this stuff from memory.
They never skipped an S year though.
Great points and response 👍
I've seen a bunch of videos on the S24 Ultra. Many comparisons vs DSLRs or iPhone, or it just a list of the various features. Would you be able to make a video of how or when to ues these features for normal people like me
Omg, you nailed it so hard on the exposure drift ❤. I was fighting with this EXACT ISSUE recording a long public meeting using Open Camera and it was so frustrating. Locking exposure seems like such an obvious setting that is usually missing.
B-b-b-but what if the sync to your lip flap is two tenths of a frame off?!?!?! What about that?!?!?
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@@SomeGadgetGuy I record these videos for free as a public service, because the local government refuses to (and sometimes even interferes). I do the best I can with a budget of $0 and the quality of the videos reflects that. BTW, if you have an amplified shotgun microphone you can recommend, I'd appreciate it. Sometimes recording sound from across a large room is difficult when dealing with audience noise. I need something to aspire to.
A shotgun will help a little, but unless you're using parabolic mics it won't change much. It'll still be camera-perspective audio.
If they're on a PA of any kind you might be able to patch in and record directly off that. If not, I'd look at some kind of wireless option. I'll be reviewing some less expensive wireless mics soon-ish.
@@SomeGadgetGuy I am dealing with no cooperation, so remote microphones are not really an option and there is usually no PA system and they will NOT let me patch in for the few meetings that have a PA system operating, so with my limited knowledge an amplified shotgun mic seemed like the best option for recording audio from a fixed distance in front of the camera. I am open to any suggestions though.
I had thought about a parabolic mic, but thought the dish would need to be too big for indoor use.
It's kind of a travesty; the town had a great non-profit that covered all the events that was funded by the public access money, but the town cut off the funding for seemingly political reasons and then took over the public access channel, but won't cover many meetings and events. ESPECIALLY if the information in the meeting doesn't follow 'the company line' as the saying goes. It's very sad if you believe in democracy and open government.
Oh a shotgun will help, but it probably wont be a RADICAL difference. The reason I like these new little consumer wireless mics is they're super discrete, so you could just stash them around their table. You wouldnt even need them to be worn.
But if they're openly working against you, then even something like that is probably a bridge too far.
Without seeing the space, I can't think of other solutions.
you'd really think guys of PetaPixel's calibre would have learned the basics of generative AI by now, instead of fumbling like this.
Curious what your thoughts are on the telephoto of the Sony Xperia?
I really love the Xperia 1 V .if it drops to 1000$ i would trade my s23U nd get that.
It's a GREAT option in GREAT light. I like it a lot, and the actual optics are really fun for a phone. It's an interesting fight, because it's a more expensive lens to solve the problem of using two separate sensors.
Sony takes an important win that it can shoot 4k/120 with the telephoto, but photo and video IQ on a vivo or xiaomi will be better in more challenging lighting.
It's both funny and sad that these same reviewers would detail the benefits of a larger sensor high megapixel camera that uses a medium format sensor, also bringing up it's drawbacks, but either act oblivious, or willingly misrepresent things when a larger sensor is used on a phone.
You wouldn't solely focus on the zoom range/focal length of a dedicated camera lens and say one is better because it has more zoom, so why is that the case with phones?
It's why I feel the photo enthusiasts out there are missing out. They keep shrugging off phone cameras, but that's where the most exciting new tech is developing.
I just started this and I am already in tears. Samsung 10X stepping down to the 5X... 😂
Samsung just wanted to put out a worse phone this year. Samsung fans HATE to hear it. Just fax. No Cap. Way it is. 10X is a bigger X number than 5X. Word.
Apple would never put out a worse phone than the previous model. Just the way it is.
@@SomeGadgetGuyI would disagree respectfully on this one. The biggest downside of the Ultras till now was the big zoom gap between 3x and 10x, as everything in-between that range had to be done with crappy digital cropping and obvious AI upscaling.
Not to mention that most people use 5x over 10x, myself included. Or the fact that the 10x camera had a lackluster f/42 aperture in Full Frame equivalent.
Though, I would agree that Samsung should've kept the 10x camera and just replace the 3x camera with the 5x one and rely on the main 200MP camera to do a proper 3x crop, since it has the megapickels to work with.
If you're replying to my comment here, please read that with the smugly self confident tone you would hear from a channel with MILLIONS of subscribers.
Then add "/s" to the end of my post.
Barry is a friend of mine. We joke like this a lot.
@@SomeGadgetGuy oh, didn't know that.
No worries. You were ABSOLUTELY correct. You just walked in on an inside joke. 👍
The new 5x Telephoto is so much more versatile than using the 10x lens! Its a high quality lens and covers more practical scenarios than using the 10x imo.
It's funny how they always find a way to praise the Iphone 😂. Also, making Juan defend Samsung is so satisfying to watch 😅. Watching this on my Samsung Galaxy S23 btw
Ugh... I still have that taste in mouth... Gonna rinse again...
Maybe Apple should start the trend of skipping a year on releasing a phone. You know since Apple loves the environment. What helps the earth more then reducing e-waste?
Especially if their "cheap" phones are just older models, they could just swap to every other year and take some of the pressure off their silicon team.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Not sure if it's a sign. I think this year or last year was the first year they didn't update the iPad line. Also, their "cheap" phone SE didn't have a launch as well. After the successful launch of their SE 2020 they tried to a 2022 SE but it seems the sales weren't that good and they didn't have a 2024 SE. Maybe they might keep the SE model refresh to every four years. Assuming Apple sees the writing on the wall, they seems to lean more into services for revenue also maybe the Vision Pro might show a promising area for them to jump onto. Then again if Apple wants to push the Apple watch to be a more official medical equipment they might lean into that space. We'll have to see how that lawsuit works out with that medical company that is suing Apple.
I think the point about wreaking havoc creatively mainly has to do with APIs.
Android's camera2api is honestly a hot mess both in terms of the api itself and the companies' implementation of it (it can be really hit or miss with stuff like mcpro24fps). Android manufacturers often limit a lot of their cool stuff to their original app because the api either doesn't even allow for it or because they want users to use their own camera app or a specific app (I've read that Samsung gives filmic proper access but blacklists mcpro24fps because reasons, but I can't confirm).
In contrast, Apple usually gives third party camera apps access to their state of the art features like log, dolby vision, proraw, etc. pretty quickly and seamlessly.
Now sure, MotionCam is a stroke of genius, but honestly, that has more to do with its developers who kinda found a loophole to accomplish what they did (with raw compression and so on) rather than android's api.
I'm an android fan myself, but credit should be given where it's due.
Right. Which is why it should matter even more that we point out when manufacturers support Cam2 and CamX and which phones have built in camera apps that you won't NEED to turn to other apps, right?
@@SomeGadgetGuy I mean, it can get pretty convoluted once you really get deep into the details of Cam2. Even manufacturers can exhibit inconsistent behavior. For instance, Xiaomi doesn't enable eis in third party apps for many of their phones, but they do in some of them (mostly flagships apparently).
Samsung's support can differ between their exynos and snapdragon model.
There's also some specs which are simply not known by most people (reviewer or otherwise) which can have immense impact but which are really hard to find, such as the total curve points (tcp) used for tone-mapping video.
As for good first party options, they're nice, obviously, but there's always some baked-in processing that kinda ruins the footage in some way. Even the most purist companies like Sony have some noise reduction, sharpening, etc., which could benefit from being turned off in a third party app like mcpro24fps. Seriously, the first time you successfully turn off all these stuff can be a revelation, especially when you realize a budget phone can give you better looking footage than many high-end phones do by their default processing.
As for CamX, I've never even seen it implemented, mostly heard theoretical conjecture about it, but admittedly, I don't know too much about CamX.
So. Again. When folks have access to multiple devices... Let's call those people "reviewers"... Wouldnt it be nice if they did a better job of explaining those differences to consumers so they could make a more informed purchasing decision?
@@SomeGadgetGuy Sure, it's just that there's a limit to how the deep the rabbit hole each reviewer goes. Granted, most mainstream reviewers don't go too much further than saying "there's a hole," but the hole can get too damn deep.
As for Petapixel, I like Chris and Jordan, but they're kinda out of their element with smartphones and stuff that aren't related to ILCs.
They have done it again in this week's episode... In particular when mentioning Sony Xperia but also Samsung.
Well, I said I was going to skip their next phone conversation 😅
@@SomeGadgetGuy good decision
A company launching an interchangeable lens Android based camera would certainly change the conversation around smartphone photography, especially among "classic" photographers.
I'm of two minds on that. We finally have the performance in mobile chips to do it well, but the strategy of multiple matched sensors on a phone is working really well too.
I think we could try the Galaxy Camera NX experiments again, but it would PROBABLY need to m/43, and it would probably be a REALLY expensive camera compared against traditional camera bodies.
For a phone though, we can accomplish a LOT with a slightly beefier camera bulge, and with sensors that dramatically outperform older point and shoot cameras.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Why not use a traditional camera body running Android instead of proprietary OS? Imagine a Fuji style APSC body running Android with GPS, 5G and all the access to have some of the smartphone computational goodies if you want to use them...seems like a win.
Well, that's why I said the Galaxy experiment. I got rid of all my NX gear, but I still have the Galaxy Camera and the S4 Zoom.
It's a LOT more complicated making a "mini android tablet that is also a good responsive camera", so rightfully a LOT of photographers are going to say "for the same price I'd rather have a phone a camera and a tablet".
I completely agree that the tech is there, we COULD do it right, but the costs increase to do all of those parts well.
If i ever made a smartphone and positioned it as a “camera phone" then i would either go with an interchangeable lens design or just with a single camera having a bigger sensor(apsc/mft), glass optics and variable aperture like ricoh gr. To me quality is more important than quantity. Samsung is throwing a multiple cameras having a stupidly high megapixel counts backed by tonne of AI this absolutely make no sense. Heavy dose of AI ruins the image quality and high Megapixels causes shutter delay and motion blur.
Which is why you should pay attention to the companies doing 1" type sensors. There's a reason a lot of us like phones for editorial, candid, and street photography. It's WAY more discrete than even picking up a small camera body. But the sensor level performance on the wide is starting to pace m43. If you could legitimately put an m43 camera in the front pocket of a pair of Levi 501's, wouldn't that be a nice perk for an every day camera?
And getting away from Apple using dinky little sensors, the telephotos on Xiaomi and Vivo are now larger than the vast majority of older point and shoot cameras, going up to proper 1/2" type sensors.
I think it would be helpful if the camera guys would really talk about this stuff like they do "proper" cameras.
@@SomeGadgetGuy if they talked about it like that they wouldn't appeal to the mainstream and go back to being a "niche" creator like you. And companies wouldn't want to associate with them either, so many monetary gains and other benefits would be lost. Everyone starts out honest and "real" but becomes a shill for all the big companies for all the wrong reasons. Sad really, this happens in nearly every industry.
@ctgaming168 I haven't failed to discuss that, xenophobic techies just don't want to confront the actual data that's been studied on security. ruclips.net/video/5mzj6tL8ZnA/видео.html
It's a lazy dumb look, and more western tech fans should handle that conversation better.
@@SomeGadgetGuy yes 1" sensor smartphones are there and they are undeniably better than Samsung and apple but still fall short compare to 1" pocket cameras like rx100vi, G5xii. Later have much consistent output and optical zoom along with flip screen, grip, physical buttons, xenon flash and evf. These phones are not cheap either costing over a 800$ with a very limited camera functionality one would rather buy a dedicated camera and use smartphone or computer for editing
@yash_kambli Sure. Can an RX100 fit in a front pocket on a pair of my 501's?
We can obviously highlight the advantages of a standalone camera with a bigger lens, but if you can't counter balance that with the obvious advantages of a significantly more discrete optical system then you've forgotten how to use your photography imagination.
I can't wait to see how the Sony's Xperia 1 VI will stack up given that the S24U camera prowess has plateaued. With its rumored 1/2.7" Exmor-T sensors used on the 14-18mm Vario ultrawide and 70-135mm Vario periscope with 2x lossless zoom (basically turning it into a 70-270mm solution), on top of a brighter IMX888 main shooter with 2x lossless zoom, should crush them all.
Though, it's Sony, so they may snatch defeat from the jaws of victory again.
yeah, that last part!
Unless they give more software support and lower the price. That could save them. But I don't feel like they're going to do that.
@@czkmeister frankly I doubt that. Sony's mobile division is extremely careless given that they can make whatever they want as long as Sony's Audio division, TV division, Camera division alongside their other business ventures like Playstation and Sony Semiconductor Solutions, plus their entertainment stuff make their money and bring a good profit at the end of each fiscal year.
@@czkmeister depends how long you plan to keep the photo. I'd rather they improve the battery life and non-camera features
They actually did a camera comparaison between the Pixel 8 Pro, Samsung s24 Ultra and iphone 15 Pro Max.
I see a lot of reddit threads about shooting raw/log color profile videos on android phones using 3rd party apps like motion cam, and the result seems like better than one coming from iphone prores log. I see a lot of reviewers parroting each other saying the IPhone is the best for the video , however I couldnt see anyone testing and comparing raw video on android using 3rd party software.
Do you have an opinion on that, or would you do such tests in the future ? Thank you! Love your videos and unbiased opinion, unlike 99 % other RUclips reviewers, aka "salesmen".
I'm an audio guy by actual trade, and a photo/video guy out of pure enthusiasm. I genuinely don't shoot LOG for my own personal projects, and the projects where I do are for other clients or include proprietary info.
I've thought about trying to talk about those features more, but it would probably be pretty basic based on my own experience. I might need to bridge that at some point, but for now I'm just trying to get more folks to take mobile cameras more seriously in general.
@SomeGadgetGuy yes , it's true mobile cameras are becoming more and more useful. I'm using a heavy dslr for my travel vlog , but sometimes there are moments when you can't take the camera with you , and the smartphone can work as a second camera perfectly , especially in a daylight. Apple could solve more or less the "smartphone" video look(overshappend, overstaturated) with pro res log videos , however on android, I couldn't see any "official" solution yet from manufacturers, only 3rd party software.
I'll have to try and test it myself because I really hate ios and don't want to use iphone at all, despite almost everyone claiming it's best for video.
We keep losing the brands that did that stuff well. Like LG had the best manual video and audio controls by a MILE, and they were early to HDR and LOG support, even giving you bitrate options. Ditto Xiaomi LOG is pretty good too.
Just because it's not on SamApple, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. 👍
Why does that beard photographer guy from Peta pixel reminds me Tony Northup so much ? 😂
Both are full of s. and so many biases. Lol.
Jordan? Jordan is a good dude. His insights on video are great. I just wish guys like this took mobile more seriously.
Thr guy in the brown coat pucture, looks like his feet aren't on the ground.
These guys must prefer APS-C sensors to full frame because their lenses give them so much more zoomies. Wait, sensor size matters? That affects focal length equivalents?? The hell, you say! Great points there Juan. The iPhone camera fanboys will always find reasons everything else is worse, even when for a couple of years now the iPhone has NOT been winning blind camera tests by professional photographers. Samsung/Pixel has been winning more than iPhone - other than video. Apple's got some video magic still up their sleeves.
The AI photography stuff ... meh. It can be useful for some small 'fixes' but it's not great, and the usefulness is limited. I'm a much bigger fan of being able to go through my photos, long press a subject and make a sticker or a transparent png of it. (Handy when making custom S-Pen pointer icons!) Oh, hey! the 12R has that too! Cool!!
Honestly, the best AI bit I've found that can be genuinely useful and potentially "game changing" is the AI summary of audio in the voice recorder app. Man, I recorded my drive with my dog going to the groomer the other day, because he hates the car and screams/cries/sings the whole time and I wanted to share the experience with my wife ... not only did it do a pretty good (not perfect to be sure) job of capturing the audio, but transcribing my conversation with the small upset creature, but the AI summary was so hilariously spot on that I laughed myself to tears when I read it. If they can take that kind of AI stuff and make it fast and accurate, man ... all meetings will require recording going forward. It was fantastic.
At the end of the day, I used to really love my Note 10+, HATED the curved display. Said I wouldn't touch another one until they made it flat. Well, it's flat now, I really like my Ultra so far (only been a week today), and I LOVE that flat anti-reflective display. Enough that I haven't put any of the screen protectors I bought for it yet ... the anti-reflective film OR the shiny tempered glass. I put my money where my mouth has been for years. Flat screens are king in my world. For everything else? We're kind of at the point where flagship = flagship = flagship = flagship with minor software differences.
LOL wait until we tell them about micro four thirds... Those lenses have a lot MORE X zooms!
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@@SomeGadgetGuy The Micro 4/3 system was pretty cool. I've always stuck with low-end Rebel SLRs though ... never took the leap to mirrorless and now, phones do the vast majority of what I could do with the SLR that I rarely find need to pull it out. I leave it at the office now for ... well, I'm not sure, honestly. Pretty much anything I used to use it for can really be done very well with a phone now. Just need to get some good wireless mics to use with them!
The new consumer-y mics are getting SO GOOD...
@@SomeGadgetGuyJordan does shoot the show on micro four thirds, the Panasonic G9II to be specific. Probably to do more with that it is a Panasonic camera and less so to do with that it is MFT. Although he does love his Leica 10-25 😂
What I see is a kind of secondary effect of how the smartphone junction of software and specific hardware photography evolved: a lot of tradicional professional photographers don't get it / know it properly. Instead they saw it via tradicional "lenses" (ser what I did here? 😆). And I think this will increase with time. There's a generation gap being born.
And these guys does not even appear to have experienced the oriental bleeding edge of smartphone photography (Xiaomi, Vivo, Huawei and Oppo flagship models).
PS: I couldn't resist: and they're handling the magical term of the year 2024 (AI) like a very hot potato 😂
Haha Juan "I'm sure they'll praise Sony..." HUAH *laughs in Tywin* yea right.. lol
Thank you Juan for bringing up why Sony phone features and why they are so essential and should've never been removed, with any excuse passing as justification
Even if Sony phones are not always there yet; but it often ends up being The Only feasible option, when I only can or have to choose one device
It's sad how techies now just become brand fan warriors. Expandable storage and extra ports are crazy useful.
@@SomeGadgetGuy One would say they are, essentially useful :D
One example I brought up to people, to put things into perspective was:
Imagine if companies started to remove, specially true for the 3.5mm port; from every other device, such as TVs, or even cars, anything else that are not what's essentially an dedicated or "professional" audio device. If that would make any sense, or would be in any way acceptable at any point.
We know the excuse of "nOt eNoUgh sPaCe" is demonstrably and provably Not True, but a wilful, and as Lois Rossman would put it, which I agree with, a malicious anti consumer choice
And the other deflection of "convenience" applies the same with every other device; but we know it's also disingenuous, as it would be more acceptable, only if it were a Choice, of having the option to have both connection methods and use the one that's Necessary for each user and use case
And let's not even get started with the dongle, with is more of the same as the previous two examples
(Personally I have been using In Ear Monitors for a decade now and Need to be plugged in for many hours at a time, so sometimes is very disruptive to have to charge the earpieces which during it's entire time cannot be used for One;
Then there's the sound quality and latency and connection quality amongst other drawbacks of wireless
So thank you once again for being the one of the extremely few who brings up the essential and useful aspects, and bringing new relevant discussions; and don't just accept that these are just the way things are, as if forgetting that it even ever existed before, and as if it's just normal and expected of everyone to just accept the inferior functions and designs as the new normal moving forwards
Watching this on my Xperia 1V, upgraded from the XZ3, The camera apps are light years ahead of EVERYBODY ELSE, those samsung and apple cheerleaders would be jumping up and down and screaming like chimps if samsung or apple were the ones who came up with this, they kept pounding on HTC, LG, NOKIA, And now to Sony, they killed all innovations, the reason we can't have innovation is those cheerleaders ...
The marketing makes them more money.
I can confirm. This yt channel makes very little money.
omg better for them to just talk about cameras
They're so good at talking about cameras. 👍
Samsung has the opportunity to establish a collaboration with Fujifilm for introducing film simulations into their devices. That would be a gamer changer in smartphone photography.
It's actually what I want most from OnePlus and Hasselblad. In XPAN, they should really let more grain stay in the photo.
@@SomeGadgetGuy OnePlus and Hasselblad have their collaboration. Xiaomi and Leica too. Sony of course don't need any. If Samsung needs an "exotic" let's say collaboration, they should go with Fujifilm, not for their hardware stuff, but for the colors. I love the grain too. I recently wrote an article about the loss of the photo character in the chase of the "perfection". Manufacturers needs to hold for a bit and get back to basics in photography. Auto modes are so uninspired these days.
No wonder that influencers are showing off old point and shoot cameras these days...
Maybe he is thinking of the lack of a note in 2021. When it was only on the case of s21 ultra
Yeah I goofed too on the post note 7 reaction. Maybe it was the note 21 he was thinking of?
😊 I truly believe we are at least 2 years behind China in terms of sensor and lenses in this Smartphone world.
I've been rounding down just so SmApple knights don't feel like I'm exaggerating, but looking over at my Xiaomi 12S Ultra... You're not wrong...
Big tubers like mkbhd should also be called out. His s24u review was completely bias. Guess Samsung pays well 😂. Not one big tuber actually pointed out how inconsistent s24u camera is.
It's why I wish the more photography focused channels would legit cover mobile cameras more consistently. Their opinions on Vivo, Sony, Oppo, and Xiaomi would go a ways towards balancing out the the lazy "avuraj cunzoomer" tests from the phone reviewers.
@@SomeGadgetGuy exactly, anyways keep up the good work your viewer since pocketnow days 🙌
What is 'pure camera'?😅
It's a camera that comes directly from the mountain springs of Southern Camerica, free of any artificial flavor or pasteurization...
@@SomeGadgetGuy 😂👍
It shows how even people knowledgable are still sucked in by the whole "well APle just does it better" crap.
Maybe the Xperia 1 V does photography well but it's still a phone and if it's a daily driver, people still want to do other things with it. I hope the VI improves the other areas of the phone (along with the camera) and makes it a more reasonable choice as a daily driver vs just a great camera. I've been waiting for this and the Xiaomi 14 Ultra to come out so I can make a decision on which will replace my Huawei P30 Pro. Though you're review of the OnePlus 12 and Vivo X100 have given me more to think about. BTW, my P30 Pro supposedly uses "AI" to improve photos and that was years ago on a much weaker processor.
I mentioned that. Kirin was AMAZINGLY ahead of the curve for subject and scene detection.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Yeah, that's what made me think of it 😀If it wasn't for the battery getting old and being stuck with android 10, I'd keep the P30 Pro. Now, it's tough deciding what to move on to when your current phone isn't that far behind
Any way you can get the battery replaced?
@@SomeGadgetGuy I considered that. But I figure all batteries designed for a specific device were probably mfr around that time and may have just been sitting on a shelf degrading. I could prob buy another P30 Pro on ebay for pretty cheap too. However, that doesnt resolve the issue that I am no longer getting security updates. And there IS better camera tech. I like the 5X zoom but it's in front of a dinky 8MP sensor. I do like the idea of matched lenses eventhough I don't do video very often. So I think it's just time for something new. Thinking 14Ultra or Xperia 1 VI (hoping you review them). Though I'm thinking about the Vivo X100 with 4.3X or even OP 12 3X. I once thought that digital zoom will never be as good as optical, but I'm starting to wonder with some of these great sensors these days. I travel ALOT and I take alot of photos out of airplane windows. It's also nice to be able to get a photo of something without spending 15-20min walking over to it.
their generative comment being in house like Samsungs hardware has to do it made me laugh lol they're not living under a rock or fossils aren't they? it can't be done without the cloud because the image being replaced also requires an image being searched and if Samsung did it in their hardware they would have to store millions of photos that would match the photo that was removed lol. they are just clueless I can't with these camera guys sorry Juan I know you love them but it's just like when Mark Zuckerberg were asked by old senators to understand what Facebook is, they have no idea what they are talking about. they can talk, but really any smart person would know they are wrong. they should have a mobile photography 101 class with you.
It's why I hope people will give their main topics a listen. Camera bodies and lenses, these guys know what their talking about, and the technical detail is second to none.
Phones tho... Well...
@@SomeGadgetGuy oh I don't question their camera topics, I'm a camera guy too but we as people also evolve. smartphone photography will be the future my last dslr was a Canon eos 500D and I've had some amazing memories with that camera but in this day and age it's just too bulky and impractical to shoot with one of course it that's your job it's a different case but I took pictures with my dslr before as an enthusiast and I'm now shooting with my s24 ultra and it is a joy to work with.
I think they mean the FE series skipped, I guess.
Maybe? That's a REALLY specific phone to think of tho.
Most people get Android camera Wrong. I still have some pictures that I took with the HTC One S 12 years ago and every time I show does pictures everybody think that I took them with my recent phone 🤦🏽♂️😂
Almost like these phones have been fun for a while, and folks who take composition seriously can get great results out of them.
And I have some others with a Nexus 4, Samsung GS3 , GS4 , HTC OM7 and think a LG G3 too and people still think it was an iPhone 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
I love your reviews of phones specially the chinese great ones like vivo and oppo, but in this case these guys are not wrong! Samsung did what they previously made fun of apple's iphones! they have been literarily using the same camera hardware for three generations in a row while other androids have made so much innovations! Samsung is winning US market only because it based in s.Korea and not china!
Right, but then why stage this kind of conversation ONLY after a Samsung launch, and not similarly after an iPhone launch?
@@SomeGadgetGuy Yes, a lot of people in north America even the 'tech' guys think of android as low or cheap alternative to iphone and not a rival. so that type of thinking is to be criticized, but it doesn't fade the fact that samsung has been lagging far behind of other androids and just trying to copy iphone as much as they can to look worthy of a try in the eyes of American\European people!
Which is why I don't act like Samsung is anything special, and why i brought up examples like Xiaomi and Sony to defend my points.
So again, are we REALLY reviewing products or are we only regurgitating the most popular brands marketing?
What I find really frustrating is that they're only talking about the ultra. Talk about the phones people are gonna buy folks. More useful information
Oh SO MANY folks are guilty of that. It's what Samsung wants. Show off the Ultra, focus on the Ultra, and consumers won't understand that the Ultra features aren't on the S24.
That should be a consortium like m43 for the mobile market. A 1-inch-sensor phone with interchangeable lenses would be ideal.
I've also played with decent lens adapters and diopters. I'm SHOCKED we haven't seen a first party lens kit for a 1" sensor. Like, keep the main camera the same, as a 23mm equiv wide shooter, and then give us some options to snap on a perfectly flush adapter, filter, ND.
Nobody heard of how Huawei AI phone worked so well by actually replacing the real moon with a fake one with visible square outlines ? 😆
And then Samsung just did fake moon again, though with better blending...