Thanks for focusing on this important subject and sharing my PCTA article with your audience. Education is key to preserving the national treasures we call public lands. DON'T BE A NERD...BURY YOUR TURD!
I totally admire you and love the few videos that you have done Lint. But, I will continue to dig my 8 to 10 inch deep cat holes using an MSR Groundhog stake. It not only eliminates the weight, which is negligible, it also works in all types of soil.
Just do it in the woods far enough from a path... who the hell cares.. animals do it too. Even the toilet paper will degrade quickly... its not like its made from plastic. I just don't agree, sorry. Its better to preach about actual pollution.. doing your business is not pollution.. maybe this is some American thing that I don't understand as an European..
I live in Atlanta and hike the AT in north Georgia fairly often. On the AT, I frequently smell human waste. C’mon, people! I think it’s due to laziness. I carry the Deuce of Spades and while watching this video I got an idea. You know how some hikers carry their drinking cup on the outside of their pack? Well...I’m going to start a new trend. I’m going to proudly tether my orange Deuce of Spades trowel on the outside of my pack as a reminder to everyone to dig a good cat hole and leave no friggin’ trace! I may do the same with my trash bag, because I’m always picking up other people’s trash. I also think we need to make this part of our conversations on the trail: “Where are you from? What’s your trail name? Do you know and practice Leave No Trace?” So let’s proudly display our trowels. Hike on, brother Darwin!
I'll be a new backpacker in a couple weeks. This vid has been a revelation. I had no idea of the level of disregard. I had the same idea as you ( and was thinking of getting a Deuce of Spades cuz the name is hilarious)….good on ya sir!
I, too, live and hike in NGA and am also appalled at the amount of TP I see on the trail. On the AT there is no excuse for it either as there are privies at most shelters. It may not be a bad idea to put latrines in some of the more popular spots like they have on the Superior Hiking Trail.
Same boat, I usually start at Vogel on the Coosa backcountry trail which there is no human waste or toilet paper, then when I hook up to the AT, I can smell it and see the toilet paper from time to time, what a shame! I started using a bidet that screws onto a smart water bottle. Only weighs 0.6 ounces and uses 8 to 12 ounces of water. So between the 0.6 ounce deuce of spades and this bidet, you're only looking at 1.2 ounces total, plus a much cleaner bum :-) I keep both the orange deuce of spades and bidet on the outside of my pack.
I have a Deuce 2, and carry it in the outside pocket of my backpack. I'm not a prolific hiker, but maybe someone else will see the trowel and think "huh, maybe it IS normal to carry one of those...?" Also, it's so ultra light, there's really no reason to not pack it.
So, summer of 2016 I was hiking on the PCT through Desolation Wilderness and a Ranger stopped me. First he wanted to see my permits. Then he started talking about how disgusting some people are leaving their waste and toilet paper in view just feet from the trail. You're supposed to pack out your TP here. He was holding a plastic bag with human waste he had picked up. He says to me, you're not one of those people are you? I said no and showed him my kit. He was specifically glad to see my trowel in a handy place, and commented that it looked like a nice sturdy one. At 0.6 ounces and it makes the Rangers happy; I'll always bring my trowel.
@freEvo8 Because it puts the person on the spot, holds a mirror up to them to make them confront what they've done wrong, even if it's only to themselves. If you're guilty (and with any ounce of a conscience) then you'll feel shame and think about your ways (hopefully changing them), and if you're not guilty then you're not and you can connect with the ranger on a mutual respect. In rare cases, it opens up conversation to those ignorant of procedure and the ranger can educate them then and there.
something like this might happen in a movie: the hiker says , sure I carry my own trowel, let me show you, when his hand emerges from his pack, there is a pistol, he pops the ranger right on the spot.
That's another thing I like about you: you don't mind reviewing, challenging your initial statements or choices and you explain why you do/don't change your mind. When I saw your original video about "not needing a trowel" I fully agreed with you on the principle but decided I would keep using a trowel because I find it more practical for that particular purpose and I am not so obsessed with going ultra-light. I appreciate also the fact you consider the impact you have on others and that it might be a good idea to carry a trowel just for the sake of showing the example. I am all for the "leave no trace" attitude and I will keep using a trowel Thank you Darwin
@@eldritch6871 I watch too many of these videos even though you couldn't pay me to go camping, lol. I've learned that it depends where you are. SOme trails have different rules than others. As someone mentioned in a comment below, PCT requires it. I believe AT lets you bury it - something to do with the enzymes in the soil and how fast it biodegrades.
I really appreciate the honest self-reflection. You have several videos where you’ve called yourself out on a previous statement or piece of gear. You set a great example for always evolving, and trying to be the best people we can be on the trail. Thank you.
I have been backpacking since I was 7 years old. I always carried an orange plastic trowel. Until I saw your video offering alternative suggestions (trekking pole, stick, etc.) It had really never occurred to me, so I can say without a doubt that your videos are influential. Will your new stance now convince me to go back to a trowel? I don't know for sure, but I DO respect you acknowledging the fact that you have influence over hikers of all calibers and that you have chosen to lead by example. Well done buddy.
Darwin - I think you're doing the responsible thing because you have such a big audience base and do influence a lot of people. It is a valid point. And even though I have used the trekking Pole or stick since I was a teenager , it made me rethink this as well . Very Well played. I am ordering one Deuce of Spades today to support the cause.
Having or not having a trowel is a matter of personal choice. What is not however, is the issue of packing used toilet paper out. Toilet paper should always be packed out. I can't think of a single person that wants to see toilet paper flowers out on the trail, yet every time I go out - I see it. Either right on the ground, feebly hidden under a rock, in a pile chewed to shreds by a chipmunk, shreds hung up in shrubs and plants or worse yet near or in a water source. IMO people who leave litter in the wilderness shouldn't go out in the wilderness. You and I both know a large ziplock weighs 0.25 ounces. and I think the basics of a toilet kit needs to come out with hikers on every single hike. I will give you $20.00 via Patreon if you revisit the issue of waste management on the trail that describes impacts that seem obvious to seasoned hikers, but not to noobs. Your voice is getting loud at 130,000 subs. Don't just waste it on gear reviews. You have a real shot at teaching unfamiliar folks the basic rules of engagement of Leave no Trace principles. I say this with much love for you as you have helped take my hiking adventures to levels that I previously thought were unattainable, while sparking my desire to see the vast beauty of the world and doing so while walking.
@@k2thah286 Hi, I want to start back packing for the first time next year ( 2019 ) and work my way up to an AT through hike for 2020 ( little disclaimer that I am new ). What and where is the best way to pack out used paper and garbage? I am ocd when it comes to crap sanitary. Meaning I wipe often and I don't want any part of it on me, my gear, etc. I have read people using empty coffee bags for used toilet paper and to mask the smell? So I am thinking a good sanitary set up would be coffee bag inside of a zip lock bag, carefully transfer used paper/wet wipes to coffee bag, stick to compress, close bag, close zip lock, sanitize, and then using the pack lid/brain strictly for garbage storage? Also is there a way to minimize heavy amounts on paper so its not like carrying a bag of crap around? I don't want any garbage like that near my main gear but I also don't like the fact that it will be too close to my head either. Anyways, is this the best solution?
@Dean J First of all, welcome! I think it's great that you have specific long distance goals you are working towards. It will change your mentality in the best ways possible. I would use this (2019) introductory year to fine tune your toilet kit so you feel more comfortable packing used toilet paper out. The best solution for you is the one that is most comfortable and efficient. Efficiency means you can rely on it and you will use it every time and not be squeamish about it. What works for me: My general garbage and toilet kit garbage are always packed separately. My shit kit is 1 large ziplock to hold everything. Everything is: poo trowel, 1 toilet paper roll, usually in it's own smaller ziplock to avoid it getting damp from condensation. I'm not afraid to say, I also rock wipes to stay a little cleaner, since being kind of crusty in the nether-regions can led to uncomfortable chaffing after walking for long periods of time, I just try to find the smallest travel pack of unscented wipes I can get based on resupply and town opportunities. Lastly, I use a dedicated ziplock for bathroom waste. If I can't find a ziplock, I double plastic bag it. Like the kind from most produce sections at grocery stores. I pack out all poop related paper waste, and throw away both the toilet waste and the general garbage when I'm back in civilization, and make getting new waste bags part of my resupply routine. The importance of this is not one person has ever had to see my used toilet paper in the wilderness - ever. Honestly, I have never had to carry used waste for more than five days, so don't feel like you are carrying for the whole trail. I have never had issues with odor finding its way through a ziplock. Maybe that is just me and I'm lucky? Also, if you are having a big nasty dump you can always hit that first wipe with a small rock and pitch it into the cat hole before you close it up. Good luck. If I think of other stuff, I will come back here and edit later.
Another educational commentary... Since you are well known in the universe of hikers, you are a celebrity. With that comes influence and responsibilities. I'm glad to see you are taking it seriously to school newbies on proper trail etiquette. I silently follow the "The trowel isn't necessary" philosophy. Maybe it's high time all of us "experienced" hikers, including me, carry our trowels visibly in protest of visible trail poop, while showing/preaching/practicing proper "leave no trace" etiquette. For taking the subject of your celebrity seriously...I salute you!!
To trowel or not to trowel, that is the question. Whether it is nobler in the minds of men (and women) to suffer pains and cramps when using stick or pole to dig a hole? Or, to trowel and letting it go in a quickly dug hole.
Great video. I was impressed at your change of attitude about the trowel. So often we all get into the trap of thinking that we know best about gear. Things change and there can be more than one reason to add a piece of gear.
I've hiked with and without a trowel, but realized it's an easier job with one. Doesn't mess up your shoe heels, doesn't take a chance on breaking the tip off your hiking pole, no worries about the stick not being strong enough in some soils, no hunting for a workable rock, and I think it encourages folks to dig a deep enough hole. I think some folks get a little lax about going deep enough and the next rain or critter ends up uncovering the T.P. Just my opinion, and I like some of the new ones a lot better than the ugly orange one I used for years!
Will be packing the trowel next year. They definitely make digging a whole lot easier, and, as you say, faster. Thanks for setting a good example for trail care and including video to show how much easier the digging with a trowel is.
On a related topic, I put a little coconut oil on my tush before I toot, and like a magic no-stick-spray I just made cleanup 100x easier and far less TP intensive.
Hey D, For years and years i used sticks, rocks, what ever I could find to dig. Saw your vid and pick up a Deuce of Spades a few months ago to be that guy to promote LNT practices. NOW ... This piece of gear is now on my must need gear list for hiking - AWESOME piece of gear !!! Thanks for making a difference - even if it's one poop at a time :)
Hi Darwin, I really like that you took the responsibility and put the focus back on this topic. As mentioned in many posts you can have some influence on people. Using a stick or a trekking pole takes much longer than using a trowel, and not everybody is patient enough digging a good hole with it. Thank you for your great arguments to get a trowel. Each trace less, is a benefit for all of us. Best regards from Stuttgart, Germany Thomas
I just did my first real section hike of the AT and I could not believe the amount of toilet paper I saw along the trail and I mean practically on the trail. Then any little side trail I found and decided to explore was loaded even more with toilet paper. It was an enlightening moment for me to realize what kind of impact this is having on the trail and made me rethink my habits of pooping while out hiking. I happy to see that more people like yourself are addressing this issue and not afraid to talk about it. Keep up the good work!
I think I’ve posted this before Darwin, but in the High Sierra the rock is very hard and finding a place you can actually dig is a challenge. So for me a trowel that’s made for digging works where a stick or a rock really doesn’t for me. Great vlog. We all just need to take responsibility regardless of the tool we use to dig. I hike in state parks in LA and the trail is littered with tp. I’ll take a bag once a week and clean it up. But a lot of hikers just don’t pay attention to LNT. Education is the key to protecting our parks. Thanks!!
Glad to hear that you changed your mind. If you don't know you'll always have access to an outhouse, privy or pit toilet, please carry a trowel or other digging tool that's better at getting deep enough than a stick or boot. Unfortunately many people may not take the time to dig properly especially if it isn't easy, like in harder soil or plant-covered ground.
I watched the first video and had no problems because that's how I've always done it. I did pick up the deuce of spades just to cut down on dig time when I really had to go, but now I'm glad I have it because d the influence it has. Glad to see this is becoming a bigger piece that well known hikers are promoting and teaching.
You might not have sought it but you have become a virtual mentor for many people. As such, there are times doing things the remedial way helps others do it right. Thankfully you mention a few lightweight and compact solutions that make being a good example nearly effortless.
Thank you Darwin for carrying a trowel and encouraging others to carry a trowel! Yes - you are influencing a lot of new hikers and it is right that you teach others about Leave No Trace - and I would add activism in defense of the small natural wild environments we have left. I live in New York and the Adirondacks has a huge problem with overuse and proliferation of toilet paper and feces not properly buried. It’s a huge problem.
Necessary! (And add paracord for food bag to handle to make it more comfortable to use). Thank you for taking the high road and advocating the use of a trowel. You’ve far more influence than you might think.
You're not responsible for other people not doing something they should. We can influence people to do or not do something but we cannot make the decision for them. And you've always highlighted the need to do things properly regardless of what you're using. :)
Nice vlog. I have been guilty of digging holes with items other than a trowel and because it is harder to dig. I found myself not digging as deep of a hole that I should have. As many of you know a 2" to 3" deep hole will cover everything but the issue with that is when it rains it sometimes uncovers the hole. Happy hiking.
I am 57 yrs old and just purchased my first trowel. Historically I used my size 11 boot to dig pits while on the trail and bury my waste. This year I am heading into the Wind River area with lots of above treeline locations and questionable ground. Due to the high use of the trail, I decided to get one for leave no trace reasons. Thank you Darwin for all the great video information as I transition from MATC trail maintaining overnights in the 100 mile wilderness to 3-6 day backpacking trips.
I think it is great you recognized your influence and made the move to carry one. I am sure there are plenty of hikers who can dig an acceptable cat hole sans trowel, but carrying one definitely promotes better habits. Thanks for the video!
About time. Proper LNT means a deep hole 6-8” is hard to dig without a proper tool like the Deuce. Glad you addressed this Darwin. Ever single time someone shits and leaves their traces, it ruins it for others.
During deer season I carry a folding shovel. When the ground is frozen, being able to step on a metal blade to break through is important. They're not fun to carry in field, but when you need it you need it.
Very GLAD you have an open mind and "came around" to the Deuce of spades thinking. There is nothing faster to spoil an environment like people-shit improperly buried! Thank you for sharing!!
Thanks for responding to the call - and to all those who also spoke up after your last missive on tossing the trowel. I sometimes feel the leave no trace movement is skipping a generation; educating new hikers is never ending and must be done with care. The leave no trace philosophy of outdoorsmanship really needs to be championed by all of us. I’ll be very curious to see if that little aluminum trowel will cut it in the Sierra granite next summer and look forward to future trowel review vids.
You actually encouraged me to ditch my trowel, and I've since used my trekking pole without any issues. With that said, leave no trace is dependent on an individual's mindset and and comes down to personal responsibility. You are not to blame for the poor practices of others. But with your given platform it's great that you are able to promote and educate, accepting that responsibility.
I completely agree. I watched your video you mentioned before, and attempted to dig cat holes with my trekking poles on the JMT. I'm glad I carried a trowel, because the dense/rocky soil made it almost impossible for me to dig a proper cat hole with my trekking poles.
I've never used a trowel. I always just use a stick, and a stick works just fine in most cases but sometimes the ground is a little hard and the stick keeps breaking, the ground has a bunch of little rocks that makes it a pain to dig a proper hole ect. Once I got the deuce of spades trowel it made digging holes way easier and faster. So just suck it up and spend the $20 on one of these and hang it on the outside of your pack so everyone can see it.
The Deuce of Spades also serves as a excellent sand anchor for us desert hikers. I carry two for when the wind is pulling out the tent stakes. Thanks for this video!
I am not going to lie. This was very educational and important for me as a newbie backpacking camper. I'm going to start being more careful with my "bio-waste" even in low hiker concentration areas. Thanks for spreading the knowledge.
Thank you, Darwin (by the way, my name is Darwin also). One of the benefits of the trowel is to know you are digging deep enough (I believe the one you showed is 8 inches tall, which is definitely within range). Probably most people don't dig deep enough, when guessing, and this tool will help visualize the actual depth needed. Keep up the good work.
I think anyone that watches your videos should be able to grasp the concept of leave no trace, it's just obvious. But, I'm glad to see you taking an extra step to promote those principles. I myself carry one simply because I don't like digging holes so having a tool that makes it easier is great for me.
We ALL need to take a clue from you here, and make sure we are influencing others in the right way. You just never know when something you say or do will make a lasting impression on someone else! This is a great video and I think you’ve done an honorable thing here.
I’m a new hiker and I knew your opinion about the trowel. I still got one because I knew it would be easier for me to dig the hole. I think every hiker should steep them selves in as much knowledge as possible. The best hiker is the informed hiker.
Thanks Darwin. Leaving for the A.T in 90 days. Didnt have a trowel but i am gonna order one. U do have a large fan base. U do influence others. Thanks for being a good one.
Darwin, I love your open mindedness and great insight on these topics. You’re not afraid to let your opinions change or evolve. I see why you have that trail name. Love your channel and Happy Thanksgiving to you and Snuggles!
It makes digging those holes easier and in consequence I think that leads to better holes and by that to a cleaner trail and more pristine environment... Thank you for that video!
I like it as a tool to encourage leave no trace. I just hiked part of the AT and was very pleased to see almost no trash. People are definitely doing their part. I'll wield my trowel with pride.
Never hiked without one in my life. Most places I have been, the ground was almost too difficult to dig a hole even with a trowel! Love your videos as always.
Darwin thank you . You are evolving . You should write a book. Call it the origin of gear for hikers. We all change if we keep an open mind. Yesterday for thanksgiving I hit the La Luz trail .. with way too much junk in my pack. We must adjust for maximum forward momentum in all aspects of life. Wishing you and snuggles all the best from the 505. Hike and travel on !
I'm really glad to see you do this video I myself am entering into the world of hiking. I'm still collecting a lot of my gear presently. I have my first three day trip planned in the Smoky Mountains somewhere around July 2018. And I watched a ton of your videos seeking advice on what kinds of things I would need. My ethics are through the roof and I'm really glad to see you backtrack and take the environment as the priority. Deuce of Spades would definitely be going in my pack setup. Thank you for the great videos.
You are not responsible for other people’s actions. On my first multi day hike, I forgot a trowel and improvised with my pole each time. It worked fine...maybe not quite as pretty as a hole dug with a trowel...but it was still enough to do the job. I do carry a trowel now... YOUR suggestions are from YOUR experiences. Thanks for all your videos, they have helped me in the past and will help with my NOBO AT hike next year. Appreciate what you do!!
Thanks for setting a good Leave No Trace example for others. Trowels are the Only Way to get a proper cat hole dug. No trekking pole or stick you can quickly find will provide you with the necessary leverage in most places.
Great post, Darwin-Thank You! It is not how you dig the hole, but THAT you dig the hole AND cover it up. No one wants to walk into the wilderness to find a minefield of human waste. But increasingly people just don't care about the garbage they leave in their wake.
Thanks for rethinking the trowel along with Lint, you are great influencers. As a USFS Volunteer Wilderness Steward talking LNT on Mt Hood and the PCT, poop is probably the biggest trail/campsite/LNT/destruction problem. My ugly orange trowel hangs on my pack for awareness--and it's a good sand/snow tent stake.
Thanks for making this video. I am a beginner backpacker and I made the decission to buy a trowel since my first backpacking trip. I was atonished when I realized most of my fellow hikers were not buring their crap. Some of them section-hike the AT. I want to carry my trowel outside my backpack next time, so I can encourage my friends to do the right thing.
Had one of those orange plastic ones. It broke when the weather was really cold; had to use one of tent stakes. Lesson learned. I do still use a tent stake, but I take one that I can dig a good cat hole with. May have to check out the Deuce of spades or the Vargo dig tool though. I shared this video to one of my FB pages and hope it gets shared on some local outdoor sites. I am so tired of other people's crap at the side of a trail. Thanks for making this video, Darwin.
Well I am a new hiker and I did watch your other video about it not being necessary. But after watching this and other videos I will get a deuce of spades. Thank you for leading by example!
Was using the plastic trowel on the AT and broke the tip of the shovel on the first use... still worked but I later upgraded to the Vargo one. OMG that thing is a real tool, it does really great when there is a lot of roots and you can apply a lot of force without hurting your hands (now you you get a idea how I broke the plastic one).
I've always carried some kind of digging tool. The ground in Colorado is dry and hard packed. Gotta dig through it using something sharp and half arsed spade-like. Waaay back, my first trowel was that plastic monstrosity. I will say you can't lose it with that ORANGE color. It worked great for three days then broke in half. The second trowel is buried deep in my box of gear and was a gift from a car camper. 5 oz of stainless steel with a fold up handle -- Still shiny and new, never used. Deuce of Spades, my go-to bestie.
Really cool video Darwin! Most people would be like "not my job" so it's really cool to see you be open minded and realize that you are in fact influential to hikers and their gear lists :)
Thanks. I’m not as experienced as you, but I’ve had the same debate. I initially had the orange plastic trowel. It poked a hole in my Pack. Then I tried my hiking pole or stick but it was more difficult. I then used a snow stake based on AT Thru Hiker feedback. Finally arrived at a folding metal trowel. Bottomline is you also went through a process to arrive at your present video advice. Unfortunately, seems like everyone has strong opinions about every aspect of everything these days. Hopefully your thoughtful insight will inspire more people to grab some kind of trowel and use it properly. Take care, D
Good video raising some interesting points. The whole influencing thing is quite an interesting concept. One thing is for sure, you are not responsible for what other people do, people are responsible for their own actions (or business you might call it in this context) but to promote LNT ethics to others, especially new hikers, is only a good thing and if the penalty for that is just a few extra grams in your pack then I think its something everyone should adopt. I myself have the same view that if you know what you're doing you can dig a perfectly serviceable cat hole with a stick, rock or pole, but it is definitely way easier and more convenient with a trowel. And for wooded areas a small saw blade is useful where you have to dig a hole in ground that is criss-crossed with roots, I always have either a saw or multitool with me and it really helps. Great video again Darwin. Hi from the UK.
Hey Darwin when I am on the trail I have to say that I am like the invisible man I have used my cheap knife or even my tent stake to dig a cat hole but I get some people are messy and don’t even dig a hole and drop toilet paper or baby wipes all over. I think that you have made a point for people to keep the trails cleaner by utilizing a cat hole for their business. Keep up the great work and thanks for the hard work you and the boss lady put into your videos.
That Deuce of Spades trowel is an awesome tool. No matter the soil conditions (rocks, roots, clay) that thing makes quick work of digging a perfect cat hole when time is of the essence. Wear it on your pack with pride.
Ive always taken the leave no trace so seriously I’ve never considered anything but a trowel. It’s easy, convenient and I see no reason to make the chore any little bit more difficult by using a tool not designed for this particular purpose.
Hey "Darwin," like you I could either find a bathroom or use leave no trace principles myself with a stick, but after hiking mainly with my dog, a trowel really became a necessary tool. Dogs typically don't go to the bathroom exactly where you'd like and having the trowel was a game changer to use where they went to the bathroom and possibly to transfer there waste into the hole. Then you can clean the trowel with TP or something before filling in the whole. Super necessary if you're with a pet!
Honestly, the biggest consideration for me in the Pacific Northwest is cutting roots, which is why I carry the Vargo. Though I’d rather not cut roots, it is sometimes unavoidable around here and just using a stick etc., is maddening. It’s worth the 1.6oz.
Very excellent analysis. I think the obsession with weight caused a lot of people to think that a trowel was a superfluous item. But the cost of the semi-precious metal ones might also dissuade people from investing in one. "Why spend $20 when I can use my boot heel, a stick a rock?" My trusty, uncool, "heavy" 2 oz orange trowel isn't a burden, financially or otherwise. The people that leave "traces" just weren't raised right. There's no remedy for them now.
I feel like although you CAN dig a hole with any of those other objects, it can take a lot longer and the probability of someone not digging a proper hole without a trowel goes way up. Nice job on doing this video!
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Thanks for focusing on this important subject and sharing my PCTA article with your audience. Education is key to preserving the national treasures we call public lands. DON'T BE A NERD...BURY YOUR TURD!
Yes Sir it is! Thanks for the Inspiration Lint!
Hike On,
Darwin
I totally admire you and love the few videos that you have done Lint. But, I will continue to dig my 8 to 10 inch deep cat holes using an MSR Groundhog stake. It not only eliminates the weight, which is negligible, it also works in all types of soil.
Thank you for the kind words. A stake works just fine, and is what I used for many years.
Lint Hikes It’s not nerdy, it’s disgusting, selfish, toxic behavior to not practice leave no trace principles. Thank you Lint.
Just do it in the woods far enough from a path... who the hell cares.. animals do it too. Even the toilet paper will degrade quickly... its not like its made from plastic. I just don't agree, sorry. Its better to preach about actual pollution.. doing your business is not pollution.. maybe this is some American thing that I don't understand as an European..
I live in Atlanta and hike the AT in north Georgia fairly often. On the AT, I frequently smell human waste. C’mon, people! I think it’s due to laziness. I carry the Deuce of Spades and while watching this video I got an idea. You know how some hikers carry their drinking cup on the outside of their pack? Well...I’m going to start a new trend. I’m going to proudly tether my orange Deuce of Spades trowel on the outside of my pack as a reminder to everyone to dig a good cat hole and leave no friggin’ trace! I may do the same with my trash bag, because I’m always picking up other people’s trash. I also think we need to make this part of our conversations on the trail: “Where are you from? What’s your trail name? Do you know and practice Leave No Trace?”
So let’s proudly display our trowels.
Hike on, brother Darwin!
I'll be a new backpacker in a couple weeks. This vid has been a revelation. I had no idea of the level of disregard. I had the same idea as you ( and was thinking of getting a Deuce of Spades cuz the name is hilarious)….good on ya sir!
I, too, live and hike in NGA and am also appalled at the amount of TP I see on the trail. On the AT there is no excuse for it either as there are privies at most shelters. It may not be a bad idea to put latrines in some of the more popular spots like they have on the Superior Hiking Trail.
Same boat, I usually start at Vogel on the Coosa backcountry trail which there is no human waste or toilet paper, then when I hook up to the AT, I can smell it and see the toilet paper from time to time, what a shame!
I started using a bidet that screws onto a smart water bottle. Only weighs 0.6 ounces and uses 8 to 12 ounces of water. So between the 0.6 ounce deuce of spades and this bidet, you're only looking at 1.2 ounces total, plus a much cleaner bum :-)
I keep both the orange deuce of spades and bidet on the outside of my pack.
@@Hangs4Fun where did you find a bedet that screws on?
I have a Deuce 2, and carry it in the outside pocket of my backpack. I'm not a prolific hiker, but maybe someone else will see the trowel and think "huh, maybe it IS normal to carry one of those...?"
Also, it's so ultra light, there's really no reason to not pack it.
So, summer of 2016 I was hiking on the PCT through Desolation Wilderness and a Ranger stopped me. First he wanted to see my permits. Then he started talking about how disgusting some people are leaving their waste and toilet paper in view just feet from the trail. You're supposed to pack out your TP here. He was holding a plastic bag with human waste he had picked up. He says to me, you're not one of those people are you? I said no and showed him my kit. He was specifically glad to see my trowel in a handy place, and commented that it looked like a nice sturdy one. At 0.6 ounces and it makes the Rangers happy; I'll always bring my trowel.
@freEvo8 Because it puts the person on the spot, holds a mirror up to them to make them confront what they've done wrong, even if it's only to themselves. If you're guilty (and with any ounce of a conscience) then you'll feel shame and think about your ways (hopefully changing them), and if you're not guilty then you're not and you can connect with the ranger on a mutual respect. In rare cases, it opens up conversation to those ignorant of procedure and the ranger can educate them then and there.
As Douglas Adams nearly said, "There's a man who really knows where his trowel is." :)
thank u.
something like this might happen in a movie: the hiker says , sure I carry my own trowel, let me show you, when his hand emerges from his pack, there is a pistol, he pops the ranger right on the spot.
That's another thing I like about you: you don't mind reviewing, challenging your initial statements or choices and you explain why you do/don't change your mind.
When I saw your original video about "not needing a trowel" I fully agreed with you on the principle but decided I would keep using a trowel because I find it more practical for that particular purpose and I am not so obsessed with going ultra-light.
I appreciate also the fact you consider the impact you have on others and that it might be a good idea to carry a trowel just for the sake of showing the example.
I am all for the "leave no trace" attitude and I will keep using a trowel
Thank you Darwin
Psst...the Duece trowel handle also doubles as a TP holder when the spade is shoved in the ground.
Thank your for being responsible. As a volunteer AT Ridge Runner, we certainly appreciate it, and need all the help we can get.
No Problem Laura! Thanks for your Service!
Hike On,
Darwin
"Whats worse than carrying out your used toilet paper, carrying someone else's" -A Wilderness Ranger
lol.... Fantastic Quote!
Hike On,
Darwin
So is it bad practice to bury your toilet paper along with your poop? You're supposed to carry it out with you?
@@eldritch6871 I watch too many of these videos even though you couldn't pay me to go camping, lol. I've learned that it depends where you are. SOme trails have different rules than others. As someone mentioned in a comment below, PCT requires it. I believe AT lets you bury it - something to do with the enzymes in the soil and how fast it biodegrades.
@@wendysmith3883 I would just set it on fire in my poop ditch then bury it
@@eldritch6871 No open fires especially 200 feet off trail. Are you minding the fire until the burn is completed.
I really appreciate the honest self-reflection. You have several videos where you’ve called yourself out on a previous statement or piece of gear. You set a great example for always evolving, and trying to be the best people we can be on the trail. Thank you.
I would carry a 5lb weight if it meant more people would leave no trace. Good on you for promoting this.
lol... Fight the good fight Brad!
Hike On,
Darwin
How virtuous 😒
I agree
I have been backpacking since I was 7 years old. I always carried an orange plastic trowel. Until I saw your video offering alternative suggestions (trekking pole, stick, etc.) It had really never occurred to me, so I can say without a doubt that your videos are influential. Will your new stance now convince me to go back to a trowel? I don't know for sure, but I DO respect you acknowledging the fact that you have influence over hikers of all calibers and that you have chosen to lead by example. Well done buddy.
Snow stake is a good cheap alternative. $2 and weighs nothing
@@Wabajak13 Hey, can you recommend specific snow stakes for that?
Thanks for focusing on leave no trace. Many worked hard for us to enjoy the trails-the least we can do is keep it clean.
Darwin - I think you're doing the responsible thing because you have such a big audience base and do influence a lot of people. It is a valid point. And even though I have used the trekking Pole or stick since I was a teenager , it made me rethink this as well . Very Well played. I am ordering one Deuce of Spades today to support the cause.
NICE! Fight the Power!
Hike On,
Darwin
Having or not having a trowel is a matter of personal choice. What is not however, is the issue of packing used toilet paper out. Toilet paper should always be packed out. I can't think of a single person that wants to see toilet paper flowers out on the trail, yet every time I go out - I see it. Either right on the ground, feebly hidden under a rock, in a pile chewed to shreds by a chipmunk, shreds hung up in shrubs and plants or worse yet near or in a water source. IMO people who leave litter in the wilderness shouldn't go out in the wilderness. You and I both know a large ziplock weighs 0.25 ounces. and I think the basics of a toilet kit needs to come out with hikers on every single hike. I will give you $20.00 via Patreon if you revisit the issue of waste management on the trail that describes impacts that seem obvious to seasoned hikers, but not to noobs. Your voice is getting loud at 130,000 subs. Don't just waste it on gear reviews. You have a real shot at teaching unfamiliar folks the basic rules of engagement of Leave no Trace principles. I say this with much love for you as you have helped take my hiking adventures to levels that I previously thought were unattainable, while sparking my desire to see the vast beauty of the world and doing so while walking.
@@k2thah286 Hi, I want to start back packing for the first time next year ( 2019 ) and work my way up to an AT through hike for 2020 ( little disclaimer that I am new ). What and where is the best way to pack out used paper and garbage? I am ocd when it comes to crap sanitary. Meaning I wipe often and I don't want any part of it on me, my gear, etc. I have read people using empty coffee bags for used toilet paper and to mask the smell? So I am thinking a good sanitary set up would be coffee bag inside of a zip lock bag, carefully transfer used paper/wet wipes to coffee bag, stick to compress, close bag, close zip lock, sanitize, and then using the pack lid/brain strictly for garbage storage? Also is there a way to minimize heavy amounts on paper so its not like carrying a bag of crap around? I don't want any garbage like that near my main gear but I also don't like the fact that it will be too close to my head either. Anyways, is this the best solution?
@Dean J First of all, welcome! I think it's great that you have specific long distance goals you are working towards. It will change your mentality in the best ways possible. I would use this (2019) introductory year to fine tune your toilet kit so you feel more comfortable packing used toilet paper out.
The best solution for you is the one that is most comfortable and efficient. Efficiency means you can rely on it and you will use it every time and not be squeamish about it.
What works for me: My general garbage and toilet kit garbage are always packed separately. My shit kit is 1 large ziplock to hold everything. Everything is: poo trowel, 1 toilet paper roll, usually in it's own smaller ziplock to avoid it getting damp from condensation. I'm not afraid to say, I also rock wipes to stay a little cleaner, since being kind of crusty in the nether-regions can led to uncomfortable chaffing after walking for long periods of time, I just try to find the smallest travel pack of unscented wipes I can get based on resupply and town opportunities. Lastly, I use a dedicated ziplock for bathroom waste. If I can't find a ziplock, I double plastic bag it. Like the kind from most produce sections at grocery stores. I pack out all poop related paper waste, and throw away both the toilet waste and the general garbage when I'm back in civilization, and make getting new waste bags part of my resupply routine. The importance of this is not one person has ever had to see my used toilet paper in the wilderness - ever. Honestly, I have never had to carry used waste for more than five days, so don't feel like you are carrying for the whole trail. I have never had issues with odor finding its way through a ziplock. Maybe that is just me and I'm lucky? Also, if you are having a big nasty dump you can always hit that first wipe with a small rock and pitch it into the cat hole before you close it up. Good luck. If I think of other stuff, I will come back here and edit later.
Another educational commentary...
Since you are well known in the universe of hikers, you are a celebrity. With that comes influence and responsibilities. I'm glad to see you are taking it seriously to school newbies on proper trail etiquette. I silently follow the "The trowel isn't necessary" philosophy. Maybe it's high time all of us "experienced" hikers, including me, carry our trowels visibly in protest of visible trail poop, while showing/preaching/practicing proper "leave no trace" etiquette. For taking the subject of your celebrity seriously...I salute you!!
lol... Thanks Bill! Be the Change you want to see on the Trail!
Hike On,
Darwin
To trowel or not to trowel, that is the question. Whether it is nobler in the minds of men (and women) to suffer pains and cramps when using stick or pole to dig a hole? Or, to trowel and letting it go in a quickly dug hole.
It takes a big man to change his mind and admit it, especially in front of an audience! I just love the way you handled this - great video.
If you want to always be right, you have to be prepared to change your mind!
Proud of you Darwin. Lead by example.
Thanks Recon! I try...lol
Hike On,
Darwin
Enjoy your posts...even those about poop!
Great video. I was impressed at your change of attitude about the trowel. So often we all get into the trap of thinking that we know best about gear. Things change and there can be more than one reason to add a piece of gear.
I've hiked with and without a trowel, but realized it's an easier job with one. Doesn't mess up your shoe heels, doesn't take a chance on breaking the tip off your hiking pole, no worries about the stick not being strong enough in some soils, no hunting for a workable rock, and I think it encourages folks to dig a deep enough hole. I think some folks get a little lax about going deep enough and the next rain or critter ends up uncovering the T.P. Just my opinion, and I like some of the new ones a lot better than the ugly orange one I used for years!
I appreciate the fact that you are willing to change your opinion. That is the sign of intelligence!
Will be packing the trowel next year. They definitely make digging a whole lot easier, and, as you say, faster. Thanks for setting a good example for trail care and including video to show how much easier the digging with a trowel is.
On a related topic, I put a little coconut oil on my tush before I toot, and like a magic no-stick-spray I just made cleanup 100x easier and far less TP intensive.
Hmmmm...
Hike On,
Darwin
I can poop on one to two squares, give it a shot.
yes... what Darwin said...
Having your butt smell of coconuts... is this an issue in bear or rodent country?
Damnit, are you punking us? :D
Hey D,
For years and years i used sticks, rocks, what ever I could find to dig.
Saw your vid and pick up a Deuce of Spades a few months ago to be that guy to promote LNT practices.
NOW ...
This piece of gear is now on my must need gear list for hiking - AWESOME piece of gear !!!
Thanks for making a difference - even if it's one poop at a time :)
lol... Every little bit helps!
Hike On,
Darwin
Hi Darwin, I really like that you took the responsibility and put the focus back on this topic. As mentioned in many posts you can have some influence on people. Using a stick or a trekking pole takes much longer than using a trowel, and not everybody is patient enough digging a good hole with it. Thank you for your great arguments to get a trowel. Each trace less, is a benefit for all of us.
Best regards from Stuttgart, Germany
Thomas
I love that you took comments to heart and made the best of it. Not necessary gear, but definitely gear that makes a statement in the right direction!
Important stuff! A U-shape aluminum snow/sand-stake works like a charm, is stiffer and not much heavier, and above all cheaper -- just my 2c.
The stainless steel GI spoon works great.
I never thought about carrying a trowel until this video. Thank you for being a positive influence.
I just did my first real section hike of the AT and I could not believe the amount of toilet paper I saw along the trail and I mean practically on the trail. Then any little side trail I found and decided to explore was loaded even more with toilet paper. It was an enlightening moment for me to realize what kind of impact this is having on the trail and made me rethink my habits of pooping while out hiking. I happy to see that more people like yourself are addressing this issue and not afraid to talk about it. Keep up the good work!
As a LNT ME I thank you ! It is up to all of us to keep our trails and back country clean and demonstrate Leave No Trace.
I think I’ve posted this before Darwin, but in the High Sierra the rock is very hard and finding a place you can actually dig is a challenge. So for me a trowel that’s made for digging works where a stick or a rock really doesn’t for me. Great vlog. We all just need to take responsibility regardless of the tool we use to dig. I hike in state parks in LA and the trail is littered with tp. I’ll take a bag once a week and clean it up. But a lot of hikers just don’t pay attention to LNT. Education is the key to protecting our parks. Thanks!!
Glad to hear that you changed your mind. If you don't know you'll always have access to an outhouse, privy or pit toilet, please carry a trowel or other digging tool that's better at getting deep enough than a stick or boot. Unfortunately many people may not take the time to dig properly especially if it isn't easy, like in harder soil or plant-covered ground.
I watched the first video and had no problems because that's how I've always done it. I did pick up the deuce of spades just to cut down on dig time when I really had to go, but now I'm glad I have it because d the influence it has. Glad to see this is becoming a bigger piece that well known hikers are promoting and teaching.
You might not have sought it but you have become a virtual mentor for many people. As such, there are times doing things the remedial way helps others do it right. Thankfully you mention a few lightweight and compact solutions that make being a good example nearly effortless.
Thank you Darwin for carrying a trowel and encouraging others to carry a trowel! Yes - you are influencing a lot of new hikers and it is right that you teach others about Leave No Trace - and I would add activism in defense of the small natural wild environments we have left. I live in New York and the Adirondacks has a huge problem with overuse and proliferation of toilet paper and feces not properly buried. It’s a huge problem.
Agreed... Be the Change you wish to see on the Trail!
Hike On,
Darwin
Necessary! (And add paracord for food bag to handle to make it more comfortable to use). Thank you for taking the high road and advocating the use of a trowel. You’ve far more influence than you might think.
You're not responsible for other people not doing something they should. We can influence people to do or not do something but we cannot make the decision for them. And you've always highlighted the need to do things properly regardless of what you're using. :)
Nice vlog.
I have been guilty of digging holes with items other than a trowel and because it is harder to dig. I found myself not digging as deep of a hole that I should have.
As many of you know a 2" to 3" deep hole will cover everything but the issue with that is when it rains it sometimes uncovers the hole.
Happy hiking.
I appreciate your humble approach to reconsidering your stance on this and making this video.
I am 57 yrs old and just purchased my first trowel. Historically I used my size 11 boot to dig pits while on the trail and bury my waste. This year I am heading into the Wind River area with lots of above treeline locations and questionable ground. Due to the high use of the trail, I decided to get one for leave no trace reasons.
Thank you Darwin for all the great video information as I transition from MATC trail maintaining overnights in the 100 mile wilderness to 3-6 day backpacking trips.
I’ve used the Deuce for several years now and very pleased with it. 😎👣.
I think it is great you recognized your influence and made the move to carry one. I am sure there are plenty of hikers who can dig an acceptable cat hole sans trowel, but carrying one definitely promotes better habits. Thanks for the video!
About time. Proper LNT means a deep hole 6-8” is hard to dig without a proper tool like the Deuce. Glad you addressed this Darwin. Ever single time someone shits and leaves their traces, it ruins it for others.
During deer season I carry a folding shovel. When the ground is frozen, being able to step on a metal blade to break through is important. They're not fun to carry in field, but when you need it you need it.
Well done - it is imperative that those with a platform use it responsibly, and there are few better ways to communicate a message than by example.
Very GLAD you have an open mind and "came around" to the Deuce of spades thinking. There is nothing faster to spoil an environment like people-shit improperly buried! Thank you for sharing!!
Thanks for responding to the call - and to all those who also spoke up after your last missive on tossing the trowel. I sometimes feel the leave no trace movement is skipping a generation; educating new hikers is never ending and must be done with care. The leave no trace philosophy of outdoorsmanship really needs to be championed by all of us.
I’ll be very curious to see if that little aluminum trowel will cut it in the Sierra granite next summer and look forward to future trowel review vids.
You actually encouraged me to ditch my trowel, and I've since used my trekking pole without any issues. With that said, leave no trace is dependent on an individual's mindset and and comes down to personal responsibility. You are not to blame for the poor practices of others. But with your given platform it's great that you are able to promote and educate, accepting that responsibility.
I completely agree. I watched your video you mentioned before, and attempted to dig cat holes with my trekking poles on the JMT. I'm glad I carried a trowel, because the dense/rocky soil made it almost impossible for me to dig a proper cat hole with my trekking poles.
Darwin,
A Great Topic.
And not just for thru hikers!
State and local parks too!
I've never used a trowel. I always just use a stick, and a stick works just fine in most cases but sometimes the ground is a little hard and the stick keeps breaking, the ground has a bunch of little rocks that makes it a pain to dig a proper hole ect. Once I got the deuce of spades trowel it made digging holes way easier and faster. So just suck it up and spend the $20 on one of these and hang it on the outside of your pack so everyone can see it.
Nice! Good on Ya!
Hike On,
Darwin
The Deuce of Spades also serves as a excellent sand anchor for us desert hikers. I carry two for when the wind is pulling out the tent stakes. Thanks for this video!
I am not going to lie. This was very educational and important for me as a newbie backpacking camper. I'm going to start being more careful with my "bio-waste" even in low hiker concentration areas. Thanks for spreading the knowledge.
For my fellow Canadians this trowel is available at MEC for $19.50! Thanks for another great video Darwin
Because of you and the info. in this video, I just ordered 2 Deuce of Spades today! One for me and one for my son. Thanks Darwin for your lead!
Great video! I agree with doing whatever we can to keep the trails clean, even if that means bringing added weight with a trowel
Thank you, Darwin (by the way, my name is Darwin also). One of the benefits of the trowel is to know you are digging deep enough (I believe the one you showed is 8 inches tall, which is definitely within range). Probably most people don't dig deep enough, when guessing, and this tool will help visualize the actual depth needed. Keep up the good work.
I just got one and yes the Deuce is the best to carry for me. I thank you for teaching others, the proper way of covering their poop.
I think anyone that watches your videos should be able to grasp the concept of leave no trace, it's just obvious. But, I'm glad to see you taking an extra step to promote those principles.
I myself carry one simply because I don't like digging holes so having a tool that makes it easier is great for me.
We ALL need to take a clue from you here, and make sure we are influencing others in the right way. You just never know when something you say or do will make a lasting impression on someone else! This is a great video and I think you’ve done an honorable thing here.
I’m a new hiker and I knew your opinion about the trowel. I still got one because I knew it would be easier for me to dig the hole. I think every hiker should steep them selves in as much knowledge as possible. The best hiker is the informed hiker.
Thanks Darwin. Leaving for the A.T in 90 days. Didnt have a trowel but i am gonna order one. U do have a large fan base. U do influence others. Thanks for being a good one.
Darwin, I love your open mindedness and great insight on these topics. You’re not afraid to let your opinions change or evolve. I see why you have that trail name. Love your channel and Happy Thanksgiving to you and Snuggles!
It makes digging those holes easier and in consequence I think that leads to better holes and by that to a cleaner trail and more pristine environment...
Thank you for that video!
I like it as a tool to encourage leave no trace. I just hiked part of the AT and was very pleased to see almost no trash. People are definitely doing their part. I'll wield my trowel with pride.
Never hiked without one in my life. Most places I have been, the ground was almost too difficult to dig a hole even with a trowel! Love your videos as always.
Darwin thank you . You are evolving . You should write a book. Call it the origin of gear for hikers. We all change if we keep an open mind. Yesterday for thanksgiving I hit the La Luz trail .. with way too much junk in my pack. We must adjust for maximum forward momentum in all aspects of life. Wishing you and snuggles all the best from the 505. Hike and travel on !
Good on you for being a role model! Sticks have worked fine for me over the last 10 years though so I think I'll be "sticking to it".
I'm really glad to see you do this video I myself am entering into the world of hiking. I'm still collecting a lot of my gear presently. I have my first three day trip planned in the Smoky Mountains somewhere around July 2018. And I watched a ton of your videos seeking advice on what kinds of things I would need. My ethics are through the roof and I'm really glad to see you backtrack and take the environment as the priority. Deuce of Spades would definitely be going in my pack setup. Thank you for the great videos.
I never carried a trowel before, until I read about the Deuce of Spades trowel. I now carry an orange one on my hikes and I love it!!
I use a snow stake. Weighs less than an ounce, less than $5, and works as an extra stake in sandy soil.
You are not responsible for other people’s actions. On my first multi day hike, I forgot a trowel and improvised with my pole each time. It worked fine...maybe not quite as pretty as a hole dug with a trowel...but it was still enough to do the job. I do carry a trowel now... YOUR suggestions are from YOUR experiences. Thanks for all your videos, they have helped me in the past and will help with my NOBO AT hike next year. Appreciate what you do!!
I swear darwin you have changed my views on backpacking so much! I appreciate it and you are such a valuable resource to backpackers.
Thanks for setting a good Leave No Trace example for others. Trowels are the Only Way to get a proper cat hole dug. No trekking pole or stick you can quickly find will provide you with the necessary leverage in most places.
Some people expect way more from others than from themselves... keep doing what you do Darwin, and keep on hiking on...
I don’t carry trekking poles, so I carry a snow stake as a trowel. Lighter and more compact than a trowel, but strong enough to dig through roots etc.
Great post, Darwin-Thank You! It is not how you dig the hole, but THAT you dig the hole AND cover it up. No one wants to walk into the wilderness to find a minefield of human waste. But increasingly people just don't care about the garbage they leave in their wake.
Well Darwin point taken, ill bring a trowel on my PCT hike.... And pherhaps i can slap some people around with it who are not in to proper LNT.. :)
Deuce of Spades makes for a pretty decent tent stake too. You’ve been very clear about supporting LNT, nobody’s failure is on you.
Thanks for rethinking the trowel along with Lint, you are great influencers. As a USFS Volunteer Wilderness Steward talking LNT on Mt Hood and the PCT, poop is probably the biggest trail/campsite/LNT/destruction problem. My ugly orange trowel hangs on my pack for awareness--and it's a good sand/snow tent stake.
Thanks for making this video. I am a beginner backpacker and I made the decission to buy a trowel since my first backpacking trip. I was atonished when I realized most of my fellow hikers were not buring their crap. Some of them section-hike the AT. I want to carry my trowel outside my backpack next time, so I can encourage my friends to do the right thing.
Thanks for posting this. Seeing tp on a trail is really so gross. I love my deuce of spades, it’s especially good if you need a cat hole fast
Yep Yep! & it makes a good Emergency Stake!
Hike On,
Darwin
Had one of those orange plastic ones. It broke when the weather was really cold; had to use one of tent stakes. Lesson learned. I do still use a tent stake, but I take one that I can dig a good cat hole with. May have to check out the Deuce of spades or the Vargo dig tool though. I shared this video to one of my FB pages and hope it gets shared on some local outdoor sites. I am so tired of other people's crap at the side of a trail. Thanks for making this video, Darwin.
Well I am a new hiker and I did watch your other video about it not being necessary. But after watching this and other videos I will get a deuce of spades. Thank you for leading by example!
The .6 oz is definetly worth it. Carry it on the outside of your pack for everyone to see and promote good practices !
He is risen, and making RUclips videos.
U can also use it as a spoon to stir your oatmeal
As long as you dig a hole use whatever you want...I use stick and take burying very serious...
Nice!
Hike On,
Darwin
Was using the plastic trowel on the AT and broke the tip of the shovel on the first use... still worked but I later upgraded to the Vargo one. OMG that thing is a real tool, it does really great when there is a lot of roots and you can apply a lot of force without hurting your hands (now you you get a idea how I broke the plastic one).
Good vlog. The latter weighs a whole lot less than your business does. Makes sense...Mark
Thanks Mark!
Hike On,
Darwin
A pleasure Darwin. I keep returning. I'm enjoying you and your channel. All the very best from here.
I've always carried some kind of digging tool. The ground in Colorado is dry and hard packed. Gotta dig through it using something sharp and half arsed spade-like.
Waaay back, my first trowel was that plastic monstrosity. I will say you can't lose it with that ORANGE color. It worked great for three days then broke in half.
The second trowel is buried deep in my box of gear and was a gift from a car camper. 5 oz of stainless steel with a fold up handle -- Still shiny and new, never used.
Deuce of Spades, my go-to bestie.
Really cool video Darwin! Most people would be like "not my job" so it's really cool to see you be open minded and realize that you are in fact influential to hikers and their gear lists :)
Thanks. I’m not as experienced as you, but I’ve had the same debate. I initially had the orange plastic trowel. It poked a hole in my Pack. Then I tried my hiking pole or stick but it was more difficult. I then used a snow stake based on AT Thru Hiker feedback. Finally arrived at a folding metal trowel. Bottomline is you also went through a process to arrive at your present video advice. Unfortunately, seems like everyone has strong opinions about every aspect of everything these days. Hopefully your thoughtful insight will inspire more people to grab some kind of trowel and use it properly. Take care, D
Good video raising some interesting points. The whole influencing thing is quite an interesting concept.
One thing is for sure, you are not responsible for what other people do, people are responsible for their own actions (or business you might call it in this context) but to promote LNT ethics to others, especially new hikers, is only a good thing and if the penalty for that is just a few extra grams in your pack then I think its something everyone should adopt.
I myself have the same view that if you know what you're doing you can dig a perfectly serviceable cat hole with a stick, rock or pole, but it is definitely way easier and more convenient with a trowel. And for wooded areas a small saw blade is useful where you have to dig a hole in ground that is criss-crossed with roots, I always have either a saw or multitool with me and it really helps. Great video again Darwin. Hi from the UK.
you've inspired me to always practice leave no trace
Hey Darwin when I am on the trail I have to say that I am like the invisible man I have used my cheap knife or even my tent stake to dig a cat hole but I get some people are messy and don’t even dig a hole and drop toilet paper or baby wipes all over. I think that you have made a point for people to keep the trails cleaner by utilizing a cat hole for their business. Keep up the great work and thanks for the hard work you and the boss lady put into your videos.
That Deuce of Spades trowel is an awesome tool. No matter the soil conditions (rocks, roots, clay) that thing makes quick work of digging a perfect cat hole when time is of the essence. Wear it on your pack with pride.
Ive always taken the leave no trace so seriously I’ve never considered anything but a trowel. It’s easy, convenient and I see no reason to make the chore any little bit more difficult by using a tool not designed for this particular purpose.
Hey "Darwin," like you I could either find a bathroom or use leave no trace principles myself with a stick, but after hiking mainly with my dog, a trowel really became a necessary tool. Dogs typically don't go to the bathroom exactly where you'd like and having the trowel was a game changer to use where they went to the bathroom and possibly to transfer there waste into the hole. Then you can clean the trowel with TP or something before filling in the whole. Super necessary if you're with a pet!
Honestly, the biggest consideration for me in the Pacific Northwest is cutting roots, which is why I carry the Vargo. Though I’d rather not cut roots, it is sometimes unavoidable around here and just using a stick etc., is maddening. It’s worth the 1.6oz.
Very excellent analysis. I think the obsession with weight caused a lot of people to think that a trowel was a superfluous item. But the cost of the semi-precious metal ones might also dissuade people from investing in one. "Why spend $20 when I can use my boot heel, a stick a rock?" My trusty, uncool, "heavy" 2 oz orange trowel isn't a burden, financially or otherwise. The people that leave "traces" just weren't raised right. There's no remedy for them now.
I feel like although you CAN dig a hole with any of those other objects, it can take a lot longer and the probability of someone not digging a proper hole without a trowel goes way up. Nice job on doing this video!