How GOOD or BAD Was Michael Jordan's 3 Point Shooting?

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  • Опубликовано: 5 ноя 2024

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  • @jonnyarnett
    @jonnyarnett  9 часов назад +25

    Was MJ a bad, decent or great 3 point shooter?

    • @philip5454
      @philip5454 9 часов назад +6

      Overall a bit bellow decent (terrible in the 80s, good one in the 90s)
      But he could have for sure became a good one if he needed

    • @kam01096
      @kam01096 9 часов назад +1

      Not really good if you look at all his numbers throughout the 80s before the shortern three point line he had terrible percentages.
      Yes in the 90s his three point percentage was good but that was due to the three point line being shorten allowing him to shoot better he also had less attempts than even some of the best shooters in the 90s.
      Also the fact that his percentage was ok in the playoffs sure but his overall three point attempts wasn’t even that high at 2.5 which is the reason why he had an average of 33.2 percent.
      Also the fact that yes he did have a high percentage in the finals but his attempts weren’t even that high and very low.
      If you compare Kobe attempts in the finals it’s way more higher if you compare kyrie finals stats it’s way higher, I don’t really think he is a good three point shooter at all

    • @jamiekelley4076
      @jamiekelley4076 9 часов назад +2

      I think like the rest of his shooting he was above average and if he would have practiced the shot more he would be around 36-38% career shooter.

    • @constanciokurdapio541
      @constanciokurdapio541 9 часов назад +3

      and i saw a few MJ shots beyond the 3-point line as a last-second hail mary...

    • @lejournaldepercival
      @lejournaldepercival 8 часов назад +1

      It was enough
      I mean good enough

  • @d.columbia9603
    @d.columbia9603 8 часов назад +37

    Here we go again. Jonny creating unbiased and informed content and injecting it into our polarizing and toxic nba forum.

  • @uncuthoops
    @uncuthoops 8 часов назад +61

    Watching his 88-89 seasons he was essentially Steph of the midrange

    • @randysavage1011
      @randysavage1011 8 часов назад +7

      Really wish we had advanced midrange stats back further than 97…

    • @orinocoPL
      @orinocoPL 7 часов назад +3

      One legend comment on other legend video.
      Guys, my absolute respect to both of you .

    • @bwink23
      @bwink23 6 часов назад +6

      88-90, pre-championship MJ was his absolute peak with shooting combined with elite athleticism

    • @jeoffreywoolley5075
      @jeoffreywoolley5075 Час назад

      88-89 he was Demar Derozen at best

    • @bwink23
      @bwink23 Час назад +1

      @@jeoffreywoolley5075 Jordan was much better than your favorite player ever was lol

  • @matthieusaade3616
    @matthieusaade3616 9 часов назад +30

    He didn't practice it and was at league average.
    That's not a weakness in my book.

  • @Davivd2
    @Davivd2 8 часов назад +20

    I always appreciate the nuance and context that you add to your videos. You're helping turn casual fans into knowledgable ones. This is my 34th season watching NBA basketball and your videos have taught me things that I overlooked or wasn't even aware of.

  • @alexlanza79
    @alexlanza79 8 часов назад +13

    I think this is a great video, and I also believe that Michael answered this question many years ago when he said he was as good of a three-point shooter as he decided to be.
    If everyone on the planet were this objective and willing to analyze context and errors as you did, I don’t think the GOAT debate would even exist. People should reason based on objective criteria, but since most people can’t agree on the same ones, questions about whether MJ was as good or as flawed as some of us remember will always come up-even in regard to his three-point shooting.
    Your explanation makes complete sense to anyone, even with a basic understanding, but I think many will always choose to ignore reasoning to avoid being wrong and they prefer to raise their voices repeating stuff they hear from some questionable “experts”!

  • @vindigga6
    @vindigga6 8 часов назад +27

    What people fail.to mention is during MJs eras we had ROLE PLAYERS. Mike didnt have to shoot threes because he had guys on the team, whose specific job was to knock down threes. Namely, BJ armstrong and steve kerr. The same could be said for rebounds and rim protection, that was rodmans and horace grants job. Mikes job was to slash to the basket and score/create plays/breakdown the defense. Scottys role was to fill in the holes when needed. If MJ is shooting volume threes what does steve kerr do? Hes not getting to the basket thats for sure. The current nba doesnt have roles, its just shoot in volume and your bound to get hot.

    • @dyloiris8876
      @dyloiris8876 6 часов назад +3

      People say players are way better all around but i always think of the term good at everything, master of nothing. People try to point to the best players like steph and say the whole league is better at shooting when only few players should be shooting that far that often

    • @vindigga6
      @vindigga6 6 часов назад +3

      @dyloiris8876 i agree, thats why over the last 20 yeard there are no leaders in separate categories. No standouts with assists, no standouts with rebounds, blocks, steals.

    • @ktapreswreckd921v9
      @ktapreswreckd921v9 5 часов назад +1

      😂😂,sad, but true.

    • @seebbsss
      @seebbsss 3 часа назад +1

      @@dyloiris8876 and the reality is that, yes they are better, but literal 1-2% better in average... they abandoned all other aspects of the game (defense mainly) in order to get 2% better at 3pts. That's why todays league is so boring to watch, it's just a bunch of tiktokers trading 3s.

    • @Dr._is_sleepy
      @Dr._is_sleepy 26 минут назад +1

      Celtics have a very effective strategy and mathematically it works

  • @colewrld901
    @colewrld901 9 часов назад +102

    He was ok during regular seasons, but could somehow become a good 3 point shooter during playoff runs. Shit made no sense lol

    • @Croc1579
      @Croc1579 9 часов назад +11

      In all his years with the bulls he shot 33.2%, in the playoffs he shot 33.2%. At least he was consistent I guess

    • @colewrld901
      @colewrld901 9 часов назад +11

      @Croc1579 true, but he still had sum great 3 point shooting series in his career and shot good from 3 in multiple nba finals

    • @yoshikigrg8
      @yoshikigrg8 9 часов назад +1

      🐐

    • @gregd806
      @gregd806 8 часов назад +6

      That's What he did in General..
      Some people have a 10 or 11 here. When playoffs or finals came, MJ had a few more even than the best had. He could just find an extra level..

    • @august6281
      @august6281 8 часов назад +7

      Playoff mode activated

  • @aturner3246
    @aturner3246 9 часов назад +59

    Here is an interesting fact, MJ was the last player in NBA history to score 3,000 points in a season, 3,041 to be exact. He only hit 12 (3-pt) shots, and he won the scoring title with a 37.1 average. The only player to come close to this since is, James Harden, with 2818 points. James hit on 378 (3-pt) shots. The truth of the matter is, MJ did not need a (3-pt) shot. Instead of the (3-pt) shot becoming a part of the NBA, it has become the NBA. We now determine a player's worth on his ability to make this shot, and downplay players that shoot a mid range shot. Sad.

    • @MJIZZEL
      @MJIZZEL 7 часов назад +4

      That's why people say he woulda avg 50ppg today.
      I doubt it would be that high but if Jordan had made that many 3's in his 37.1ppg season as harden did then it puts him in the 42ppg range which isn't that far fetched of an idea just turning 4-5 of his 2 pointers into 3's each game.
      I've always suggested he would avg 43pog today at peak scoring Jordan yet kobe is the one we should be asking that question about as his 35ppg season came at a time with much slower pace a less possessions and teams scoring mid 90's.
      Kobe could do 45ppg easily today.

    • @aturner3246
      @aturner3246 7 часов назад +1

      @@MJIZZEL Great point!

    • @reecenorwood8377
      @reecenorwood8377 7 часов назад +4

      @@aturner3246 mid range masters are probably the most beautiful players to watch. Unfortunately unless you’re making them at a staggering rate, you’re not going to outperform a 3 point maestro

    • @aturner3246
      @aturner3246 7 часов назад

      @@reecenorwood8377 Very true, but the percentages would more than likely be a little better. I think the overall 2 pt shot percentage is 40%. Three point shot average is 36.6%. Passing up a 2 pt shot to shoot a lower percentage 3 pt shot seems counter productive. Your thoughts?

    • @reecenorwood8377
      @reecenorwood8377 7 часов назад +3

      @ if they’re taken at close to the same volume then no. If you take 50 2s and 50 3s and make them at those rates, you would make 20 2s or 40 points and 18ish 3s or 54 points. That’s why 40% is the golden standard for elite 3 point shooters. It makes non shooters have to make shots at alarmingly high rates

  • @dejahvou
    @dejahvou 8 часов назад +11

    There's nothing more I love in a basketball debate than when someone actually uses context to argue their points. At base value, Jordan was a terrible 3-pt shooter, but with context, he was above average, and in the finals specifically, he was better than Lebron and Kobe.

  • @tmoney360
    @tmoney360 8 часов назад +12

    One of yhe things i hate the most about the Curry-effect? Using 3pt% as a gotcha to guys who played 30+ years ago.

  • @V12BenzAMG
    @V12BenzAMG 9 часов назад +18

    You also have to consider that back then a planned 3pt shot wasn't used often...many of MJs early attempted 3s were awkward, highly contested, defended, tough, clock beating shots... last effort attempts to tie or go ahead when double teamed. He was never really a planned play 3pt shooter player...and even then, it was like 1 or 2 attempts per game.

  • @BabayaGuns
    @BabayaGuns 8 часов назад +8

    Thank God ... FULL CONTEXT!

  • @awesomereviews1561
    @awesomereviews1561 8 часов назад +18

    Context: It’s also easier to shoot 3’s today because of the rule set( freedom of movement, no hand check, able to carry the ball to create space).

    • @bwink23
      @bwink23 6 часов назад +4

      And ...they are actively looking for that shot first and second.
      In Jordans day, it was a bailout or last resort for a good chunk of his career, especially Early.

    • @Dr._is_sleepy
      @Dr._is_sleepy 23 минуты назад

      I feel like that works more for off-the dribble shots which granted are a huge part of a lot of great players game. But typical spot up shooting which is foundational in today’s game is unchanged by rules.

  • @Carvis23
    @Carvis23 7 часов назад +12

    He was a good three-point shooter, and when he attempted 3 or more, he was around the league average. Similar to Kobe. Bron shoots below the league average. There is the difference. It's all about volume, the era and how you stack up vs your peers.

    • @gggyy7104
      @gggyy7104 2 часа назад

      He is literally statistically one of the worst 3p shooters of all time. Literally Giannis/Westbrook level. Lowest score in a 3p contest all time. Dude was a TERRIBLE 3p shooter

    • @Carvis23
      @Carvis23 2 часа назад

      @gggyy7104 Did you even watch the video?

  • @TieOnRadish
    @TieOnRadish 9 часов назад +28

    I can't say for sure since I didn't see all of his 3 points attempts, but his early years' 3 points probably came as last second shots wirh no choice otherwise which explains the terrible percentage with low volume.

    • @kevinjohnson4498
      @kevinjohnson4498 8 часов назад +6

      yea its interesting, his 3pt% has an extreme positive correlation with his attempts. Most guys are the opposite.
      Remember that he didnt play with a 3pt line until joining the NBA so it was a brand new shot for him. 90-93 is an interesting range to look at. In 90 and 93 he was at 3 attempts a game shooting ~36%, but in 91 and 92 he was back down closer to 1 attempt a game shooting

    • @bwink23
      @bwink23 5 часов назад

      ​@@kevinjohnson4498
      Usually, more attempts increase percentage.
      High volume every game, the percentages don't have wild swings one way or the other. One bad game will have much less impact on overall %.
      Taking only 2 game, the percentage will have wild swings game to game. One bad game has far greater impact on overall percentage.
      And in practical basketball play...if you take more, you are practicing more. Therefore you should be comfortable finding a rhythm.

  • @jamiekelley4076
    @jamiekelley4076 8 часов назад +3

    Great video! The problem is the data surrounding his 3pt shooting falls under so many different contexts that makes it hard to nail down. It also means you can't just take his 3pt shooting percentage at face value like we do now. He came into the league without ever playing with a 3pt line and averaged less than one shot, usually as a last minute toss to win/tie games, and had abysmal 3pt shooting percentages for like the first 5-6 seasons of his career because of it.
    His best 3pt shooting came when the league shortened the 3pt line so many people like to, and probably not wrong to, throw out those years.
    And so because the rest of his career he didn't really take many 3s it's so hard to get to an idea of what he would like shooting the 3 today in volume.
    I think there are two seasons in his career that help shed light into what he would be however. Other than the league shortened season there are only two seasons he averaged over 2.5 attempts a game. In his 89-90 season he averaged 3 3PAs a game and shot 37%. In 92-93 he shot 2.9 3PAs a game and averaged 35% from the beyond the arc.
    I also tried to narrow games down where he shot 4 3pters or more a game and in those games he averaged like 38-39% but I couldn't filter out the years where the line was shortened so there is some questionable data in it.
    I honestly believe though based on the data around his two highest volume shooting non 3pt line shortened seasons, his average in games where he took 4 or more 3pters a game, and his other shooting metrics that if he grew up with the 3pt line he would probably be a career 36-38% 3pt shooter in today's league.

  • @davidmartinez52420
    @davidmartinez52420 8 часов назад +6

    He also didn't have a 3pt line until college, ad even in college it wasn't widely used and wasn't used at all in the tournament. It wasn't adopted throughout all of college until 1987 or 1988. That interview clip also turned out to be kind prophetic too since there are a lot of guys that can shoot the 3 pretty well but aren't as great of a scorer from inside the arc compared to outside of it.

  • @philip5454
    @philip5454 9 часов назад +16

    He wasn't a great 3poit shooter.
    But he decent enough to not matter regardless the era he played (because let's be real that's what's all about).
    And he could definitely become a good one if he needed.

  • @md21os
    @md21os 7 часов назад +3

    Honestly, for Michael Jordan‘s time he didn’t even really need a three-point shot for his game or for how the NBA as played back then. When he did start taking threes, like for example, 28% in his time means you could shoot, but nowadays 28% today doesn’t mean you can shoot. For his time he was a average shooter, and a decent shooter he needed to be. He also didn’t have to be a shooter, because teams didn’t rely on shooting threes as much as they do now but I still think Michael Jordan is an underrated shooter and capable of hitting threes if he really worked on it and if he got a chance to, in the set of the team schemes and game plans. It was still nice to see that he made the three-point contest too, even though he had the lowest score ever.

  • @Josh-sk5xd
    @Josh-sk5xd 5 часов назад +3

    MJ was a good to above average 3pt shooter.
    Whenever he attempted 2+ 3pt shots per game he was above average and was a super solid 3pt shooter.
    The philosophy of the game in the 80’s was not to incorporate the 3. In the 90’s when the game was a little more open minded to the 3 MJ adapted to the 3 and excelled at it.
    MJ had great great elite shooting mechanics, and had a great great elite shooting touch!
    Like we try to tell you youngins MJ had ZERO holes & weaknesses in his game. ZERO flaws! Good to Elite in all aspects of the game

  • @randomperson2540
    @randomperson2540 2 часа назад +1

    Haven’t watched the video yet but I believe he’s an underrated 3 point shooter I don’t think he was never bad and I actually think he was great for his time.
    Great analysis I 100% agree I think he’s a great shooter overall and a good 3 point shooter

  • @TreFKennedy
    @TreFKennedy 8 часов назад +3

    Dope vid Johnny

  • @etcheverrypanpi2753
    @etcheverrypanpi2753 8 часов назад +3

    Great vid as usual...you made all the points, i totally agree with you...and by the way how in the world can random people or media say that Michael f... Jordan is a bad three point shooter ?

  • @MrReese
    @MrReese 2 часа назад

    Whenever I hear Jordan talk I am always amazed at how well spoken he is, even when you show early clips of when he was new in the NBA and in his first seasons. Not a spoiled brat, not some gangster from the hood crap, simply a well brought up and educated young man who went on to become the best basketball player in the history of the game.

  • @Ascending11
    @Ascending11 8 часов назад +3

    The 3 point shot wasn't what Jordan was focused on. He didn't want to sit at the 3 point line and wait for the ball. That's not his game.
    Plus, the game didn't revolve around the 3 point line back then.
    The NBA as we know it today is more like the WWE (entertainment). The NBA as a professional sport died long ago.

  • @matevzjurse5140
    @matevzjurse5140 9 часов назад +36

    Decent for his era.

    • @willemcenter8649
      @willemcenter8649 9 часов назад +3

      Which means it was bad

    • @UnlikableOpinions
      @UnlikableOpinions 9 часов назад +10

      @@willemcenter8649 why does there have to be good or bad? Why can’t you just be OK?

    • @BT405
      @BT405 9 часов назад +9

      @@willemcenter8649 it means it was bad to you because you want to be cynical for whatever reason instead of taking things for what they are in the context of their time. A graphics processor on a PS2 is technically "worse" than a graphics processor on a PS5, if the only thing you care about is how realistic a video game looks. But it doesn't mean it was any less effective at conveying iconic moments and classic aesthetics from legendary games.

    • @Kendricktimes2
      @Kendricktimes2 9 часов назад +2

      MJ was objectively bad from 1984-1985 to 1992-1993 he shot 30.1 from 3 and in 1997-1998 he shot 23.8 from 3 im obviously not including 1994-1995 to 1996-1997 because the 3 point line was shortened between that stint which lead to his 3 point percentage being much higher then what it should have been

    • @philip5454
      @philip5454 8 часов назад +6

      @@Kendricktimes2 Did you even watch the video?
      He was objectively bad until 1988
      He was objectively better than average (so not bad) after 1988

  • @supratrd900
    @supratrd900 9 часов назад +6

    He made them when it matters

  • @bwink23
    @bwink23 6 часов назад +3

    I would argue Jordan was the team's "3-point specialist" during his first 3-peat in the PLAYOFFS.
    Jordan made the most 3s over that 3-year stretch on the Bulls, while shooting roughly 38.5% from the arc.
    Someone tell me if LeBum ever did anything like that.

    • @gggyy7104
      @gggyy7104 2 часа назад

      Lebron shot a higher % from 3 than Steph Curry last year

    • @bwink23
      @bwink23 2 часа назад

      @gggyy7104 Jordan shot a higher 3p% than LeBron in the Finals.
      One guy is 6-0, with a game winning 3 in the Finals.
      The other guy is 4-6, with NO game winning 3s in the Finals.
      Can you guess who is who?

    • @gggyy7104
      @gggyy7104 2 часа назад

      @@bwink23
      One guy has the lowest all time score in a 3p contest when nobody’s guarding you
      Another guy shot a higher % from 3 than Steph Curry at 39 years old
      Can you guess who is who?

    • @bwink23
      @bwink23 2 часа назад

      @gggyy7104 One guy was too scared to attempt a dunk contest or a 3-point contest...do you know who that was?
      One guy made more 3-pointers than the entire opposing team in an NBA Finals series.. something Steph Curry never did.
      Do you know who did that?

  • @Xtianisms
    @Xtianisms 2 часа назад

    Love this! I'm a big MJ fan for life yet still learning different aspects of his greatness. Thanks Jonny as always

  • @jasonvargas4798
    @jasonvargas4798 8 часов назад +1

    1 three point a game is an important and significantly note. The higher someone shoots the better the percentage in most cases. Also it 3 pointers where introduced in 79-80 season, so they took time to really take off and implement.

  • @nbarealtalker
    @nbarealtalker 5 часов назад +1

    Before that Suns Nash/D’Antoni mid 2000s era where the game started to change, any player who wasn’t a 3point shooting role player who shot between 30-35% was basically as good as they needed to be to justify shooting a 3. The game was not the same whatsoever.

  • @alex4833
    @alex4833 2 часа назад

    Great video, Jonny! I appreciate the nuance and context you bring to your argument and points. It is incredible how he was better in the playoffs (esp. The Finals) than the regular season. It makes sense though, given how he stepped up his game when it mattered most.
    I'd say he was a decent 3 point shooter overall, but when the game was on the line, he sunk the most crucial 3 point shots and was a good 3 point shooter at critical moments.
    Awesome video again. Have a nice day, Jonny 😊!

  • @Calidastas
    @Calidastas 5 часов назад +2

    Jordan was good at whatever he wanted to be.

  • @MikeZ-cz
    @MikeZ-cz 29 минут назад

    What I remember about Jordan is that, he was hitting them at insane rate when his team needed it the most...no moment was to big for this dude... Growing up as a MJ hater, today I can say he's The Best basketball player ever.. grace, skill, stats aside.. watching him play against your team, you could never relax until the game was over.. never had that feeling with any other player except for Kobe between 06-2010 and I wasn't a Kobe fan either..

  • @josecaparas5015
    @josecaparas5015 4 часа назад

    I agree - Guys can only beat (or not) those in front of them.
    I also think players are all products of the era in which they played, which is why comparing players of different eras is so difficult.

  • @Havoc0606
    @Havoc0606 8 часов назад +1

    Difficult to make half court or very long three pointers count as shot attempts. These shots greatly reduce the percentage of three point shooting when the sample size is low.
    For example, in 1990 jordan makes 1 out of 2 shots or 50% on regular 3 point shots and then fires up and misses a half court shot at the end of a quarter, the statistics will say that jordan shot a measley 1 for 3 or 33%.
    Same scenario in 2020, lebron makes 3 out of 6 shots from three or 50% and then fires up and misses a half court shot at the end of a quarter. Statistics say he shot 3 for 7 or 42.8% which is great.
    This math problem is not considered when comparing eras for 3point shooting

  • @owensmith2137
    @owensmith2137 8 часов назад +2

    Decent to good. He would definitely be better at it today.

    • @milesbatton5837
      @milesbatton5837 3 часа назад

      Today he would average 50+ easily even without high 3 point volume. He would just kill the terrible defense today with fadeaways and aggressive attacks to the rim. The modern soft losers of today don’t know how to guard that. These soft punks objectively would not survive the 80’s and 90’s. Just look at LeBanon I mean LeBum I mean LeBron. He would get murdered by Mugsey Boges. Sorry if I misspelled, but you get my point. Jordan would literally and figuratively murder LeBron. No question. If you call me an old head, go kick some rocks and chew some glass you shark teeth mouth breathing panty huffer

  • @calvinbepe
    @calvinbepe 8 часов назад +1

    personally i see it (kind of) similar to Demar Derozan. who actually isnt a BAD 3 point shooter, he just doesnt take them often at all. MJ just never took 3s. with such a low volume taken its not disingenuous to use percentages. a player shooting .9/2.4 would be listed at 35% but if they made .1 more itd be 42%. There are some players who fall victim to the small sample size box score watching (LeBron and his midrange percentages have been victim to this as well) epidemic that truly can only be fixed by looking deeper into tendencies and adding context. Jordan having multiple sub 30-20% 3point shooting seasons isnt an accurate reflection when hes not even taking 2 3s a game to measure it by

  • @jamesmarshall6619
    @jamesmarshall6619 8 часов назад +3

    Was Jordan a good three point shooter? No. Was he a bad three point shooter? Also no. He was average and could be streaky from three point range but had he grown up with it and had it been more part of the basketball culture I think he would have been fine. On his comment about not shooting threes, I know he's the greatest, he's my GOAT, but he's just wrong. I don't want to disagree with Jordan on anything because he was just so great but he is just objectively wrong. In my opinion if he had worked on his three point game it would have made him even better. He was hard to guard from midrange, had a great first step, if teams had to guard him at the three point line with his first step, he would have had even more room to blow by guys. Not a big deal though, if the worst thing about your career was you were not the greatest three point shooter, being widely considered the greatest more than makes up for it.

  • @HugoSoup57
    @HugoSoup57 8 часов назад +1

    According to Nobody Touches Jordan, MJ was very good from the non-shortened three-point line in his prime during the playoffs. Even in the one area that is supposed to be his weakness, Jordan still set a playoff record.
    Only player in NBA history, along with Steph Curry, to shoot at least 38% on 3-point field goals in 3 NBA Finals runs (minimum 15 PPG and 1.5 3PA/game)
    Jordan did this in the Bulls' 1991, 1992, and 1993 championship runs under the original 3-point line. He also did it in the 1996 championship run, but with a shorter 3-point line
    Four other players meet this criteria in multiple NBA Finals runs
    - Terry Porter (1990 and 1992)
    - Manu Ginobili (2005 and 2007)
    - Ray Allen (2008 and 2010)
    - Stephen Curry (2015, 2016, 2017)
    All of the aforementioned players did this while scoring at a lower volume. Jordan is the only one to do it with 30+ ppg, all 3 times from 91-92-93. It would be 4 times if you included the shorter 96 line, but of course you shouldn't.
    Jordan shot 55/142 (38.7%) 3PT from three in the 91-92-93 Playoffs in his prime.
    Jordan shot 28/70 (40%) from the non-shortened 3-point line in his Finals career (1991, 1992, 1993, 1998). The shorter lines in 1996 and 1997 actually lowered his NBA Finals 3-point averages, probably due to passing his prime and less spacing afforded from shorter lines.
    40% Non-Shortened Line 3PT Shooters for a Finals career (min. 15 PPG)
    46.15% - Isiah Thomas (22.6 PPG) - 1988-1989-1990 Finals
    45.24% - Kawhi Leonard (15.9 PPG) - 2013-2014 Finals
    43.66% - Kevin Durant - (32.9 PPG) - 2012-2017 Finals
    43.59% - Dan Majerle (17.2 PPG) - 1993 Finals
    43.59% - Derek Harper (16.4 PPG) - 1994 Finals
    41.30% - Larry Bird (23.1 PPG) - 1981-1984-1985-1986-1987 Finals
    40.00% - Michael Jordan* (35.6 PPG) - 1991-1992-1993-1998 Finals
    *Only including the non-shortened 3PT line. Including the shorter line in the 1996 and 1997 Finals, Jordan had 33.6 PPG on 36.80% 3PT for his Finals career.
    Jordan was also 1 missed FT short of shooting 53/43/91 in the 1992 Finals. He shot 41/46 FT or 89% FT to barely miss it. The only player who has shot 50/40/90 in NBA Finals history under the original 3-point line and with enough 3PT/FT attempts (at least 1.5 3PA and 3 FTA/game) was Chauncey Billups in 2004, and while scoring at much lower volume of 21 ppg.

  • @acdcdave1387
    @acdcdave1387 7 часов назад

    One other minor thing to mention, in his earlier years, when players sometimes averaged around 1 attempt or less per game, it was often a half court to full court heave at the buzzer. They weren't really worried about their percentages which is why so many of them had years where they shot under 10-20%
    Larry Bird was the same way at the beginning of his career as well

  • @BzBuck
    @BzBuck 8 часов назад +1

    I think it is an interesting what if for if jordan played in todays game. He definitely would have developed a 3pt shot just like so many others. I doubt he would ever be a really good 3 pt shooter but he definitely would be a threat. Ray allen was one of the players entering the league as a jordan type player yet he is now one of the greatest 3pt shooters. I would assume jordan would pick up the harden type step back and probably end up as a 35% on 5 attempts guy.

  • @kaospat4173
    @kaospat4173 6 часов назад +1

    thanks for that

  • @Lalambz
    @Lalambz 5 часов назад

    its true! if mj focused on 3pters. thats just one point more than a lay up, mid range..
    attacking the basket affects the game more, opponent fouls, going to freethrows to give ur tm8’s a chance to catch their breath, create openings for tm8 3’s or 2’s, helping out team for offensive rebounds.
    nba teams know not to foul a 3pter so they can challenge but if they make it, hats off to them.
    its just 1 more point vs the whole aspect of the game

  • @AndrewSBaker
    @AndrewSBaker 8 часов назад

    He became a good 3 point shooter, although his skill in this area of the game was not as transcendent as his other skills, when compared to his peers. But he gave us the reason for that. It was clearly a choice, and related to a mentality he wanted to maintain. (And it should be noted, especially when talking about big men, that the ones that like to take 3 point shots, rarely like to drive to the basket, so MJ wasn't joking about the effect on his mentality when focusing on 3s).
    But people sure learned not to leave him alone out there to shoot 3s. You absolutely had to respect him with that shot. You never heard anyone after that series say anything like, "we'll let him take that shot."
    Most importantly, the bigger the stage, the bigger MJ's performance.

  • @baffialbutano7283
    @baffialbutano7283 2 часа назад

    Something not many people take into account is that a significant amount of Jordan's 3 point attempts during his first 4 years were half court or full court shots at the end of regulation

  • @amazingkook143
    @amazingkook143 2 часа назад

    Writing this before finishing the video but wven as someone who doesn't want MJ to be the GOAT, I wouldn't make the crazy claim that he was bad at shooting 3s. The era context is important. Teams weren't setting up the 3 ball in the 80s and 90s. It was bigs to iso ball. MJ would turn it on in the playoffs, where the lights are the brightest. From 91-93 he averaged 2.4 3PA and shot .387. That's elite for the era. Always have to put the numbers in context with the era. His 1990 season is underrated in how he shot from 3. He was 14% better than league average and attempted 65% more shots from 3 than league average. Incredible.

  • @idiotengineer3925
    @idiotengineer3925 8 часов назад +1

    Even if MJ is bad at 3-point shooting, it doesn't negate anything in his career or legacy. You play the game that's being played in the league at the time, not what's being played decades later. If MJ came into the league in 2020 and grew up watching Steph curry, he'd likely have a much different game than what he did coming in in the 80s.

  • @tech-no-logictech9743
    @tech-no-logictech9743 4 часа назад

    I think with three pointers or with shooting in general it's about a certain threshold! Is it harder to maintain a certain % when the volume goes up? Yes! But it's also hard to reach a certain % when you only try one a game. There is no getting hot, no being streaky with only one attempt. Btw I bet some of those were also prayers and heaves with the clock expiring.

  • @chimukun7319
    @chimukun7319 7 часов назад +1

    noone probably criticized it or saw it as a weakness back in the day, it's only people who try to over hype lebron by downplaying MJ who even use the 3 point argument. No1 would say someone like shaq is a bad 3 point shooter to try to downplay him.

  • @ClumsyRoot
    @ClumsyRoot 2 часа назад

    It's also important to keep in mind that in those early years-when Jordan was averaging less than one three-point attempt a game and was not looking to shoot the three-most of those long shots were attampts to beat the buzzer. It's not surprising that he hit such a low percentage of them.

  • @edgarmoran5203
    @edgarmoran5203 6 часов назад

    Chef kiss to the logic used when splitting Jordan 3 % based on a learning curve , stakes and approach

  • @stealths15
    @stealths15 7 часов назад

    Well said.

  • @MrKurtykurt
    @MrKurtykurt 8 часов назад +2

    MJ’s shooting less than one 3 pointer per game in the 80s aka MJ almost never shooting 3 pointers unless it’s an end of quarter prayer…

  • @EddieWoodsRemnantOutreach
    @EddieWoodsRemnantOutreach 56 минут назад

    KD said it best. Mike was one of the BEST jump shooters of all time... Not just 3s, but SHOOTING. This dude was a midrange assassin

  • @cooperhodgson7008
    @cooperhodgson7008 Час назад

    I was born in June 2003, couple weeks before bron got drafted to the nba. To think he’s still a top tier player today, throughout my WHOLE life so far, is unbelievable. Brons my goat, but MJ was a fucking beast, I don’t understand the whole rivalry between the fans of each player. Sure some mj fans will say I’m wrong but I literally couldn’t watch him play, I’ve watched bron for the most part of his second half of his career. These “fans” of MJ and bron need to be put down. They’re both goats, just to different generations

  • @kovahr6232
    @kovahr6232 5 часов назад

    "Clyde is a better 3-point shooter than I choose to be" that shit is so cold bruh. I wonder if Clyde either dismissed it or believed it. He seemed to be confident in his skills so that maybe didnt shook him but Mj being Mj, i wonder if that made him concerned.
    Great end to the video btw.

  • @projoebiochem
    @projoebiochem 26 минут назад

    Michael Jordan was so competitive that he would have adjusted to whatever it took to win. If he would have needed the 3-pointer to win, he would have been one of the best in the league.

  • @Trevdawg48
    @Trevdawg48 Час назад

    What is so impressive is that MJ was a great shooter with those huge hands. Kawhi is the same. Wilt and Shaq had those huge hands, and couldn't shoot worth a damn. Having all of the good things with large hands (ball control, dunks, lay-ups, steals, blocks) without the only bad thing (shooting accuracy) is possibly the most important thing that elevated MJ above everyone else.

  • @Getdown8319
    @Getdown8319 5 часов назад

    His 3 pt percentage drastically rose as his attempts rose. Your percent wildly fluctuates if your not taking many.

  • @HereToEntertain123
    @HereToEntertain123 3 часа назад

    After Watching This, We Can Now Say, That This Is Michael Jordan's Underrated Skill

  • @meciasrivera4769
    @meciasrivera4769 4 часа назад

    Michael actually said it already why he didn't shoot 3's in a video he said "it takes away from his all around game"

  • @camdenharper7244
    @camdenharper7244 2 часа назад

    The rule set it so much more important. Yes, it was more physical in the 80s and 90s. Yes, defense was better in the 00s. Because of what the rules allowed. Same goes for the 60s, ect. Russell is the goat

  • @crnge364
    @crnge364 7 часов назад

    i really like your videos and appreciate the attention to detail. however if you or anyone goes to this depth to try and "justify" a part of lebron's game everyone would call them biased, but because its done for MJ we are all looking the other way.

  • @ktapreswreckd921v9
    @ktapreswreckd921v9 5 часов назад

    Peace, Michael preace. " I don't want to be standing out there all day waiting for someone to pass me the ball "

  • @wizard1687
    @wizard1687 2 часа назад

    Important to note that MJ played his prime athletic years with the 3 not part of his game plan.The same leniency needs applied to most 80s players. OTOH, Jordan was at his best in the reduced line ERA, and outside of certain magnificent instances, was average as a 3 threat. Does not affect his GOAT candidacy

  • @NewGen7988
    @NewGen7988 8 часов назад

    Based on the stats and footage, MJ was a solid 3-point shooter throughout his career. The fact that his average in the finals was so high at over 40% should say it all.

  • @gold-man9
    @gold-man9 7 часов назад

    I get two things from this video,
    1. It took MJ to become an elite three point shooter before he won a championship
    2. Steph is the GOAT because he doesn’t let 3-pointers affect his scoring mentality

  • @Posesso
    @Posesso 2 часа назад

    So cool :)

  • @MJIZZEL
    @MJIZZEL 7 часов назад

    I like when they bring up Jordan's 6 pts in the 3pt contest yet detlef Schrempf scored 6 and was considered a great 3 pt shooter and a certain guy named Kevin durant scored 7 pts in it but made a money ball so only made the same as Jordan yet isnt called a bad 3 poit shooter either.

  • @dwightburns6699
    @dwightburns6699 6 часов назад

    Great video, he a line drive 3, didn't have that nice arc to it 😅

  • @JustAMessanger-o7g
    @JustAMessanger-o7g 4 часа назад

    2:46
    What 3pt skill was drexler talking about? Up to that point, they were both practically the same 3pt % for their careers.

  • @randysavage1011
    @randysavage1011 8 часов назад

    Two things I’ve learned from sports, movies, and television. Don’t talk trash to gangsters. Don’t talk trash to Michael Jordan.

  • @alejanoelallen1952
    @alejanoelallen1952 9 часов назад +1

    🏀

  • @jarlbalgruuf7701
    @jarlbalgruuf7701 7 часов назад

    Didn’t take into account that many of his 3s in the 80s were possibly half court heaves and last second shots at the end of quarters. MJ didn’t care about his percentages.

  • @cooljp1531
    @cooljp1531 3 часа назад

    He was better than average. I don't think he'd shoot too many if he played today because he could score at will closer to the basket.He was never a terrible 3pt shooter. What Jonny here and everybody else fail to understand is that percentages were bad because the only time they shot 3 pointers was when they had to shoot with a clock running out. OBVIOUSLY your % will be crap when you are throwing a last second heave from 50 feet.

  • @mykronesian4430
    @mykronesian4430 7 часов назад

    The thing about Jordan is he loves winning..if he can score and win a game by driving to the basket..hes gonna do it...just look at it this way...hes the 5th most points of all time...yet he barely made 3s....Kareem and Malone were the same but they had longer careers

  • @DerethAC
    @DerethAC 7 часов назад

    Context is a killer for any attempts to argue against Jordan as the GOAT.

  • @MrBewbewbewbew
    @MrBewbewbewbew 6 часов назад

    MJ is MJ which means over 80% of the time when he said he gonna do something then those things happen.

  • @warreno.bryant4406
    @warreno.bryant4406 8 часов назад

    Thank u johnny for turning the on your base the millenial explain why mike era wasnt concentrating on shooting beyond 22 feet they had roll players call specialist or sharp shooters they was all stars that was shooters chris mullin dale ellis in the west in the east glen rice reggie miller mitch richmond it was the 2000 his second repeat retirement beginning with the wizards zone 3 seconds dead ball era

  • @derekfnord
    @derekfnord 7 часов назад

    In the context of his era and his role, I'd say he was a decent-to-good 3P shooter.

  • @X02Overdose
    @X02Overdose 7 часов назад

    He has 2-3 seasons where he shot 37% on 3 attempts. He was decent when he actually shot them

  • @Anonymityfan
    @Anonymityfan 4 часа назад

    Said this fir a while, Jordan wasn't a bad 3 point shooter, he was an average one but it's one of the onky things where he isn't exceptional so it is viewed as a weakness

  • @davis2k1234
    @davis2k1234 8 часов назад

    MJ set a Finals record for 3pts made in a game during his career 🐐

  • @hayaleslie3389
    @hayaleslie3389 4 часа назад

    Something I always say... YOU PLAY THE PLAYERS IN FRONT OF YOU. Every era is officiated differently and evolves differently. MJ played and won with HIS STYLE OF PLAY. What else matters?? ...and I'm a fan of GREATNESS. MJ, Kobe, Lebron, Steph Curry ALL EMBODY THAT TRAIT. 🏀

  • @LeonYuL
    @LeonYuL 4 часа назад

    I believe if he thought he needed to, MJ would have definitely took the 3 pointer more serious and become great at it

  • @vicogekko2169
    @vicogekko2169 9 часов назад

    I will say jordan is a streaky shooter. I hasn’t look in details but I far as I remember, he really can take 4 triples in a playoff series and just 1 in the next, and he can shoot over 40% in one serie and below 20% the next one. But I should look again

    • @Arctanis-vt3hl
      @Arctanis-vt3hl 8 часов назад +1

      You should definitely look again. You could say he was a streaky 3pt shooter, but his midrange was consistent and deadly.

    • @Carvis23
      @Carvis23 7 часов назад +1

      Streaky? Lol He shot over 50% with the Bulls as a shooting guard.

    • @bwink23
      @bwink23 5 часов назад

      Nothing streaky about MJs perimeter shooting ...bust elite everywhere, every position except the 3.

  • @sethaldrich6902
    @sethaldrich6902 20 минут назад

    Definitely not a weakness

  • @thomash8501
    @thomash8501 4 часа назад

    Human progress is not perfectly linear. The most modern and recent does not equate to the most advanced or elite. NBA basketball's golden age and peak was in the 1980's and 1990's. The 3 pointer was a weapon used by specialists and real men played hard physical defense unlike today's mentally soft, weak Primadonna's whose broad spacing and weak defense means anyone can shoot 3's in this NBA. Michael Jordan remains the most elite basketball player to date. His combination of offensive and defensive mastery has yet to be equaled.

  • @cedricscaggs1409
    @cedricscaggs1409 8 часов назад

    The Goat MJ

  • @brockst9190
    @brockst9190 4 часа назад

    He was a good enough 3 point shooter as he chose to be

  • @The-Basketball-Gods
    @The-Basketball-Gods 4 часа назад

    8:53 *some

  • @MusicLover-my6fo
    @MusicLover-my6fo 8 часов назад

    Imagine prime Michael Jordan, but he has the shooting skills of Stephen Curry/Carmelo Anthony.

  • @reecenorwood8377
    @reecenorwood8377 8 часов назад +1

    Neither Mike, Kobe, or Lebron are elite 3 point shooters. They’re all decent for their respective eras.

    • @Carvis23
      @Carvis23 7 часов назад

      Naw Bron shoots below the league average.

    • @reecenorwood8377
      @reecenorwood8377 7 часов назад

      @ he’s had 8 seasons shooting above league average with 2 over 40% seasons. Again. Decent for his era

    • @Carvis23
      @Carvis23 7 часов назад

      @reecenorwood8377 He's a career 34%, again below league average. The league average has been 35% -37%. So Kobe and Bron are below average 3 point shooters.
      While Jordan was average based on his era.

  • @ATroubledGreensLibrary
    @ATroubledGreensLibrary 9 часов назад +2

    ❤🎉

  • @tech-no-logictech9743
    @tech-no-logictech9743 4 часа назад

    Let's just say defenders better respect his 3pt shot! Especially in the playoffs!

  • @messagekeenenivorywayansvo3011
    @messagekeenenivorywayansvo3011 4 часа назад

    Ask the Blazers how good his 3 point shooting was in game 1 of the 92 finals.
    Checkmate!

  • @pchristiand
    @pchristiand 4 часа назад

    I don't have proof but if he's shooting only one 3 pointer per game, a lot of those could have been wasted buzzer or shot clock beaters.

  • @DavidHartel-db5lh
    @DavidHartel-db5lh 6 часов назад

    It doesn't matter! He is(was) Michael Jordan!