@@disnoise I'll try it with the Helix Revv G4 and my real HM2!! Thanks for the trick! love it when people share things that make them happy and can help others.
The main guitar tones on Sepultura - Roots were achieved with a modified Big Muff (added tube gain stage) by Indigo Ranch Studios owner Richard Kaplan (RIP). Add a bit more presence and/or treble to those guitar tones and you get something quite similar to what you hear in this video. Fuzz tone that chugs. Love it.
6505+/rhythm channel/bright/crunch/fairly high preamp setting---------OD pedal up front with level around 10 o'clock gain at 2:30 and tone at 2o'clock. With everything engaged, i get that sort of distortion that is just about to fall off the rails but still has clarity. It is thick but not overly muddy for faster riffs and has loads of harmonics.
Hello Kristian great question time ! Fuzz pedals should be first pedal after the guitar and before the wha wha ! They're allergic to buffers, but works well with EQs and noise gates ! I brown my tone with Krush OD, then into Marshall JMP-1 (tube preamp) ! This is the way I walk to have a fast response and defined tone, than I split the sound sending the signal to power amp and mic cab, in parallel the speaker simulator output to the desk and effects send to the racks to triamplify all !
Have you heard END? It‘s Will Putney‘s band where he also plays live (with members from different well known metalcore bands). There he has a really nice aggressive, heavy tone. He uses a Way Huge Swollen Pickle (muff type) into a 6505+ but he uses the fuzz to get kind of an HM-2 chainsaw tone. Then he adds a low octave for the chugga chugga and it sounds SUPER heavy. And they play in Drop C!
Very HM-2-ish sounds - which confirms my suspicion that the HM-2 is actually a fuzz pedal on steroids. The split setup certainly gives you more options then the HM-2 alone, without losing any br00tality. I personally liked the sounds with the Big Muff and the Behringer pedal best. Great video, as always - keep 'em coming!
The HM2 also has the EQ knobs tuned to very specific frequencies which is why it gets the "characteristic sound" only when they're maxed out. Varying said frequencies completely destroys the chainsaw effect
i can also recommend using a 'range-master' type treble booster before a lower gain fuzz. it can really break through the muddyness while still being harsh and aggressive!
I have a boss ls-2 line selector that works pretty well for mixing pedals. A big muff mixed with a boss sd-1 was pretty interesting. I also like to run a hm-2 in one loop and leave the other loop empty to use as a clean blend. Definitely recommend for anyone who wants to experiment around.
Maybe also try a Proco Rat pedal, I really dig it as a raw sounding boost with lots of character. The Boss JB2 might also be a intersting pedal as you can do a parallel blend of OD and distortion.
Think I liked the cheap 'n nasty Behringer the best, loved the bite that it had. Bender came in last for me, too mid/boxy driven for my taste. Another great vid, driving home that it's important to experiment w/your guitar tone!
No experience with doing this in a live setting, but for recording, I generally just record a separate track with the fuzz and blend it with the center "normal" track.
Also, if you're double tracking rhythm guitar, try one extremely tight amp with smooth distortion (like a Randall Diavlo 100) on one side and one that has a very rough distortion (like an ENGL Thunder 50) on the other side. The combination is great!
My Hail Satan Fuzz has a 50% dry wet blend on it and I use that to hit the front end of the blue channel of my 5153. Huge, monstrous sound that could do doom or death metal handily.
I have a Line 6 HX Stomp patch where I blend a Hyperfuzz on mode 2 with a ProCo Rat. I wasn't using it for modern metal, but rather really slow stoner/doom/drone. I wanted a cross between the Electric Wizard Dopethrone tone and the huge thick low end of SunnO))). In the A/B in this video, I actually preferred the Tone Bender! Don't really like the sound on its own, but the midrange really popped out of the mix.
I have done this a few times. :D ...Turned into Stoner/Doom/Sludge at my old age. I don't gig anymore, so I use only pedals and IR's to record. A Palmer ss-power-amp if I need to jam with guys. Or just PA-speakers, active. I too split the signal, the first usually to Neunaber Neuron as the "Metal" and the other channel usually has a treblebooster into a fuzz into a Matamp-style preamp-pedal. BUT I have not found a way to join them into mono again, so I record it stereo, or put the otherone into a poweramp-cab and the other into a PA-speaker. Oddly enough, the fuzz-channel sometimes needs a buffer somewhere, but it might have actually been a phase issue. Must check. Cheers!
I was wondering if a bitcrusher was used on the savage and disgusting tone on Ho99o9’s Death Kult It’s most likely multiple super cheap fuzzes and distortions but the crunch of the tone sounds very bitcrushed so even if they didn’t use one it might work to get that tone
The "common wisdom" about the fuzzface is that it needs to be connected straight to a guitar with passive pickups to do its thing. Well... The thing most people like it for. It will load down the pickup (impedance mismatch) in a way that actually sounds better with the gain and distortion/fuzz it makes. And controlling it with your guitars volume knob is a big part of it too. And again... That only works well straight to the guitar with passive pickups. The sounds it is known for when used that way are quite far from modern fast metal though. Just for your information though... There's nothing wrong in experimenting. I loved the SF300 combination, but then again, I like fuzzy and nasty. :)
That’s absolutely the key to a great Fuzz Face sound. There’s the MXR Classic 108 with a dedicated switchable buffer that might do the trick in environments like these.
Thank you Kristian for the question ! It depends on gears, if I'm tube ready, or transistors (solid state technology), digital or software (plug ins), anyway I always crank up the gain on my Krush OD, then into Marshall JMP-1 (tube preamp) than I play the game in every metal contest ! 🍻🍻🍻 👑👑👑🎸🎸🎸🔥🔥🔥
Sounds just great man, this is exactly the devilish science we need! I'm definately gonna try this in the digital, once I get my Neural DSP Quad Cortex.
Fuck yeah! This is exactly what I do! I blend a Diezel VH-4 PREAMP PEDAL with the preamp of my Marshall JVM 410H using a parallel mixer pedal, back into the power amp of the JVM 410 out to a single 4x12. It gives me that huge Adam Jones type of tone in a much smaller and less expensive setup. BUT I can and often do run a fuzz into the Marshall on a clean channel and CRANK the VH4's overdrive channel pushing both with a boost. Absolutely massive sounding. 10/10 highly recommend. What I haven't tried is alternatly putting a fuzz in front of the VH4 pedal, and cranking the Marshall 🤔 Think I'll try that today! Thanks for the sharing this technique with your audience. Metal tones need soul again. All be it an evil one 🤘😉. Cheers!
Same idea ...but on a budget: Boss Lineselector performs an A+B mix function, has built in volume/pre so you can blend really easy I have used this splitting (but with 2 different distortions) before to record. You can go DI through a single pre or into the front of single amp
I do that. But I do it differently. I run a Marshall DSL 100 watt and an Orange Crush 120 side by side. The Marshall takes the fuzz pedal (Catalinbred Giygas) The Crush is just normal gain. These go through separate speakers and volumes are adjusted to be equal. Mids mostly out. EQ to mix the sound. Kinda like how Jay Yuenger did his Mesas and Randall amps.
I hate fuzz pedals XD but man, that blending technique is mind-blowing. The Big Muff + Revv is the best combination to my ears but I'm impressed by the behringer, as you said it sounds shitty but it's incredible the sound you can have blending in the Revv! Great video Kohle!!!
You should have tried the Behringer and the Fuzzface without the Tubescreamer on. Fuzzfaces really like to be first in the chain, and the Hyper Fuzz that the Behringer is a clone of , was based on the Fuzface
The intro song could easily have Svencho growling away on top of all these riffs. It's got an Aborted vibe to it for sure. Also, that nasty tone w/ the Boss pedal would work nicely on an upcoming Benighted record, don't you think? It's the kind of disgusting tone that fits their music perfectly.
Awesome video man! That’s a killer method for developing new heavy guitar tones! Thanks so much for sharing! Here’s some other cheap dirt pedals for blending that work for me: EHX Flatiron Fuzz (Warmer Rat Distortion) Behringer HM300 (Boss HM-2 Clone) ProCo Rat 2 Tone City Matcha Cream (EHX Green Russian Muff Clone, this is the most focused muff model I’ve played, I also own the Triangle and Ram’s Head). I personally think these 3 models are the best sounding muffs, I like them all more than the standard muff models I’ve played. Since these pedals sound better boosted, here’s a couple of cheap tube screamer models too: Behringer TO100 (TS9 Clone) Behringer TO800 (TS808 Clone) I think you’re a killer producer & engineer man! Keep up the great content!
What do I do if I like pretty much every type of angry sound there is? Fuzz pedals, overdrive pedals (like the Tube Screamer), distortion pedals, and amp distortion boosted and upboosted. Kristian, wonderful video!
ssssssh ... stop revealing all the secrets ! I have been using an ocd and russian big muff in parallel and its a killer sound for bass distortion. This kind of setup would be nice for d-beat or crust tone where you don't wanna have the most "clean/tight" distortion but sth nasty instead. Also, instead of messing with an amp's fx loop *which is not always running in parrallel* a Boss LS-2 can do the same job. Ok wanna have another cool tone ? Go gtr-> TS-> chorus and distortion in parallel . Instant atmospheric black metal !
@@michanowak7060 If it is an issue you will immediately tell , because the combination of two pedals will drop the volume by a great extent. However, the good thing is that when parallely mixing you can experiment with so many pedals and don't have to be particularly picky. In other words , if polarity is an issue , use another pedal.
Thats so funny that this popped in my feed. I just got a new tube head and i have an hx effects ao ive been experimenting with different tones of gain stacking a lot lately using the 4 cable method and some creative signal routing and ive got great results lately from blending overdrives, distortions, and fuzzes. It seems like you're getting the same results, the tightness and brutality of a great metal tone, and The shining personality of the fuzz coming through at the same time. It just gives such good character to your tone
Just reamp it twice one for each configuration, have a submix/buss and increase the level of each send to blend it. For pure plugins, duplicate your DI track, setup your inserts on each one for fuzz one for distortion, send to a submix/buss like above
On my bass, I've been running an EHX Bass Soul Food with the drive cranked all the way up. The tone, volume and blend at noon. It goes into into a Bass Big Muff, tone all the way down and drive at about 10 o'clock and the dry switch on to keep the clean sound underneath it all. Totally brutal but clear.
So I had to write this comment even though I had first watched this video around the time it came out 2 months ago. I was so impressed with the tones you nailed, particularly in how you nailed a tone that was so damn nasty yet detailed enough to be well defined, it inspired me to replicate your setup and modify it for my own taste in tone as I wanted a more traditional "polished" high gain sound; one signal goes into my 1x12 combo Traynor Custom Special 50 and the other signal goes into my Tech 21 US Steel Sansamp, which then hits the return of the Traynor's effects loop. Now I had only gotten the Traynor tube amp in January of this year and it was my first tube amp as before I was using another variant of Tech21's Sansamp that was DI'd into a powered speaker. So since then I had gotten to learn how to use the amp and I had figured that the clean channel could do a clean fender or clean Marshall tone, but the distortion channel had a lot of mids similar to a medium gain channel of a Mesa Boogie mark series. And when I had watched this video, I confirmed that my Traynor amp had a parallel effects loop and I immediately ordered the US Steel Sansamp as it was based off of Higher Gain mesa boogies, such as dual rectifiers, and I assumed it would match up with the dirty channel of my Traynor amp. And because I had learned well from watching this video, I ended up nailing the best high gain guitar tone that I had ever gotten out of my current rig or any of my previous rigs! It does not sound anything like this video as we went in polar opposite directions of tone, but the setup remains the same as yours. I even run not one, but two boosters; a tube screamer clone that goes into a TC electronic spark boost that's setup on the mid frequency setting with cuts to bass and treble. I also can set this up for some of the best clean tones you will ever hear. I can have my sansamp set up for a tone thats dry and just on the edge of breakup, and I can hit the traynor's preamp with a wet signal full of modulation and delay effects while retaining my dry tone on the sansamp. This replicates the much desired Wet/Dry rig without the need of a second amplifier. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and wisdom to the rest of us! You've for sure gained a lifetime subscriber in me
I have been for awhile just hitting the front end of my Black Arts Pharohoh with my favorite Tubescreamer at the time and going straight in the the front end of my amp. Its been my go to thing for awhile. Key is that a little goes a long way.
Overdrive into fuzz on the clean channel of a triple rectifier. Sounds great, real sick metal tone. You can play any type of style, it sounds really ugly but the notes still come thru clear.
Making sure I got this right: Splitter Out 1 > Fuzz Pedal > (Pre)Amp Input Splitter Out 2 > Revv G4 > Amp Effects Return ...so the amp's Effects Send can be left unplugged? I mean, shouldn't the FX Loop be always closed (Send > FX > Return)?
I do a wet dry rig like this ,soldano and is wet using overdrive channel into a 4x12 with V30s and eminence legend 75 watters the dry rig is a jcm 900 clean channel with a hint of breakup and running a earthbound Audio Supercollider muff into a 4x12 loaded with EV 12L and eminence governor's, I use a radial engineering ABY box with this setup
This demo had some great sound! When I listened to the comparison at the end, I liked the final result with the JHS fuzz best, due to the artifacts/character on the high mids, and how they interacted with the bass guitar. I dug the mix with the JHS Bender the best in this group. Always great to learn from the masters, and this thorough comparison test was great fun! Thanks for the video.
As a bass player, i split my signal in 2 channels for years, usually in a clean and a dirt signal. Seems that i have to split it in 3 channels from now on. 😁
Hi Kristian. Seeing that you´re using the DV-77 speaker, Mick Thompson always uses a blend of fuzz in his tones. In fact, he has a big collection of fuzz pedals and is constantly using different ones live. The Behringer SF300 has two fuzz modes. You used only the one that is scooped. The other mode is more conventional. But, there is a third hidden fuzz mode. If you put the switch in a position between fuzz 1 and fuzz 2, you'll actually get a third mode that is a mix of the two. By the way, I just bought your Rainbows and Chainsaws IR pack and WOW! I love it! Getting great tones on a Two Notes Torpedo CAB M+. 🤘😎🤘
When you blended in the REVV for the first time, I laughed out loud with the joy of a child. I'll never not use this approach from now on. World-breaking in the best way.
I play industrial Metal. I love my Behringer Super Fuzz, but always had an issue with with the sound in Fuzz 2. I did try it to clean up the sound with the the OD as an EQ. It does sound a little better and more clean. It doesn't sound constipated.
This is exactly what I’m doing with a boss ls2, A channel my Mesa roadster (or any other amp) and in B channel black arts tone works pharaoh, and a precision drive before the boss
Sounds awesome. Mixing a Fuzz with the modern Metal sound adds so much wrongness in the right way. I like the Big Muff / Revv combination best. Thanks for sharing this, Kristian. Hi Kai. You have put together a nice collection of fuzz pedals. Very well chosen. P.S. my JPTR Jive has arrived last week, and it's a fantastic sounding pedal. Still waiting for the Kaleidoscope. Thanks for the discount code :-)
The Behringer pedal is no joke. I'm always tone chasing, but I've been getting good results from a boost, Behringer Super Fuzz, and a Boss DS-1. Start with a clean tone on the bridge pick-up. I like T: 4.5, M: 5-6, B: 5-6. Engage DS-1 and roll that dial until it just starts to break-up. Get the DS-1 tone you want but don't get to the point of "chug worthy." Engage the Behringer and dime out the Distortion and Bass knobs. Treble at about 5-6. It sounds like a mix between a chainsaw and a Harley Fat Boy.
Yup one big issue with vintage style fuzz pedals like face- oder blender-style circuits in modern setups is that they don't like low impedance (which pretty much any opamp in active pickups or overdrives create) in front of them. They will sound more broken and less musical. And it's not so much the high volume but really the impedance. There are ways to add kind of a pickup simulator coil, which is used in some Aion electronics kits, but I haven't tried one of these yet. Anyways yeah the really old ones like the face and the blender are not really suited for metal in my opinion, but the big muff absolutely rips, it's also awesome on bass guitar, with or without a clean blend.
i do use fuzz for my distortion.. but i put my blues driver first full gain then the full gain fuzz.. and i love it.. especially im using hamer california with emg active 81-85 pickups sets... and im playing blackened thrash metal...
By the way I blend TC Electronic Tube Pilot + Maxon OD808 before Mooer GE300 preamp and TC Compressor mini + TC Spark mini booster before Harley Benton power amp. I have great results with them too.
I also thought of that before. I think Paradise Lost did something like that on "Medusa"... really heavy broken up sound. Perfect for Doomy slow Riffing... Or like the Hesse say "Is gut für Unnarum" ;)
That was just a Guess from listening. The overall sound is really something different and refreshing. So bonebraeking dirty and dark. I forgot how small the World is nowadays :) Yeah i'm really interested in that Info.
This is pretty much the same method I do for my tone. Guitar into Tube Screamer, into HM2 but blended in at 40-50% wet and then into preamp. Playing with the screamer’s tone pot really helps shape the tone and amount of character as well
Interesting. I wonder if this would work the other way around. I mean like, the fuzz going into the fx return while using the amp’s distortion. I didn’t buy an ENGL for the clean channel 😂
I ADORE fuzz..!!! One must be very strategic in it's usage however. I got the Vox Tonebender sound down, with added disco phaser... for CRAZY solos! haha bless you man. Only just found your channel; instant sub! Stay healthy out there
A year late to the video, but I have the Boss SY-300 guitar synth, and I actually created a stereo guitar patch that on the left side is a hyper fuzz and the right side is a lead distortion. Both are 70/30 panned and share 2 EQ patches to cover overall tone shaping. Sounds very much like a fuzzy BFG Division/Cyberhex sound with the lead side giving chugging
All you need is them pedals you got there. Stacking is the way to go but you took it a step further into bad ass territory. Such a versatile rig you got in this video. I'd love to have that revv
Thank you Kristian! I followed along using my Axe-FX III and the FAS 6160 amp ... it was a splendid time under your tutelage :) 4 drive blocks with 4 drives each makes routing super simple and controls endlessly possible :)
The tone of guitars in modern metal has been discussed many times before. To be honest, what is more lacking is a really expert discussion of how stoner, sludge sounds are created and recorded (Ufomammut, Electric Wizard, Neurosis). Those bubbling, gurgling, fuzz sounds. I have an impression that often they are not as distorted as it seems at the beginning. Often it's more crunch than distortion - this gives them the power to create a real wall of sonic pressure. I know that Swedish black metal is also a wall of sound, but it's closer to white noise than a hydraulic press on a chest.
Loving this video! I was using as a main hi gain tone, a parallel chain with a fuzz emulation in my POD X3 Live, and in the other chain a hi gain preamp with an overdrive, basically because in that way i can hard pan and do instant double tracking, but with a lacking of blending tones (that means in a channel i have the clarity of hi gain, and in the other the lack of clarity of the fuzz but a little bit chunkier). But now i use a POD X3 in mono (not stereo out anymore), and i'm gonna use again a blend in mono of the fuzz and a hi gain with an overdrive. I hope later add an cheap OD pedal like Digitech bad monkey or Marshall guvnor 2 plus to give some more bite to the fuzz octave simulation.
Amazing tone! I've been eyeballing a Big Muff modification that includes a blend knob, I wonder if I could get similar results if I just run a distortion into that pedal with the blend half-way.
I don't know it it is mentioned in the video, but many Fuzz pedals, when turned on, phase invert the signal. That's not an issue when going mono, but when splitting and merging the signal again at one point, you can get a weakened sound because of phase missmatch. (EDIT, watched the whole video and saw you mentioned it.!!) Great combination of sounds!! The best fuzz pedal that I've tried mixing with dist has been the Swollen Picke (Way Huge) Lot's of tone shaping controls and 2+ hidden controls inside the circuit. I also achieved great sounds splitting the signal in a digital modeller in two bands (like many do with bass, but with a higher crossover FQ) Putting fuzz in the lows and dist in the mid highs was a beast of a sound, doom like, but with lots of definition and attack in the mids. The other way around was also cool. The tightness of metal distortion in the low FQs, but kind of a zipper lo-fi, crazy dirty character in the hi FQs, istead of the typical metal fizziness.
Awesome. I've been blending my cheap joyo octave fuzz and an acapulco gold EQ devices with the neural dsp plugins just for certain less precise sections in the song. Loving the results. It's almost to clean and boring without it now. Great vid. 🍺💪
I've kind of been doing this in Slabdragger since we started, I figured I'd treat my Sovtek Muff as a valve amp and stick a Tube Screamer into it. Hey presto! Precise chugs with filthy fuzz and feedback on tap!
I liked this, im playing more stoner metal and doom metal lately so im experimenting with a fuzz pedal into my Randall vmax. Im playing it through a cheap Behringer quad and its nice and muddy how i like. The Randall is able to provide enough attack and its eq is decent too.
Love these experiments! Please keep going! I have a non-metal amp, the Laney GH30R-112 combo, its definitely more voiced towards Blues Rock and some hard rock tones, but I've been having great nasty monstrous results mixing fuzz and distortion pedals! Maybe get some non metal amps and experiment with pedals to see what you can get. Cheers!
I ended up getting a Cusack Music Screamer Fuzz which blends overdrive and fuzz. But, I also push it with the Maxon OD808. I use my clean ch on my amps. I get crazy overtones.
As a doom/prog/noise guy, I can confirm I have been doing this for years.
Love the stuff man
preffer rat but you right
Nice! me as well, I use a Boss LS-2 to blend Fuzz and distortion pedals. I bought a Revv G4 and the blend with an HM-2 is killer!
The Revv distortion and the HM-2 blend is basically Glenn's pedal, The Mauler. Nice stuff
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@@disnoise I'll try it with the Helix Revv G4 and my real HM2!! Thanks for the trick! love it when people share things that make them happy and can help others.
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I have the HM-2, and I just can't find a setting where it sounds good. Any recommendations?
The main guitar tones on Sepultura - Roots were achieved with a modified Big Muff (added tube gain stage) by Indigo Ranch Studios owner Richard Kaplan (RIP). Add a bit more presence and/or treble to those guitar tones and you get something quite similar to what you hear in this video. Fuzz tone that chugs. Love it.
Follow me to the Dark side of Distortion! What are you guys doing to sound dirty?
It sounds amazing!!!
Thank you for sharing this olistic approach to guitar distortion.
Kind Regards from Costa Rica !
Cranking every knob on my Orange
6505+/rhythm channel/bright/crunch/fairly high preamp setting---------OD pedal up front with level around 10 o'clock gain at 2:30 and tone at 2o'clock. With everything engaged, i get that sort of distortion that is just about to fall off the rails but still has clarity. It is thick but not overly muddy for faster riffs and has loads of harmonics.
Hello Kristian great question time ! Fuzz pedals should be first pedal after the guitar and before the wha wha ! They're allergic to buffers, but works well with EQs and noise gates ! I brown my tone with Krush OD, then into Marshall JMP-1 (tube preamp) ! This is the way I walk to have a fast response and defined tone, than I split the sound sending the signal to power amp and mic cab, in parallel the speaker simulator output to the desk and effects send to the racks to triamplify all !
Any kind of HM-2 like pedal or the Audiority Heavy Pedal VST! Such great fun to play with.
The Big Muff and Behringer pedals sounded so cool paired with the Revv. Great stuff, Kohle!
I'm running a TS9 into a Beringer HD300 into a Big Muff, into a Orange amp and speaker and sounds awesome
Best Behringer pedal is the SF300 superfuzz change my mind lol
Have you heard END? It‘s Will Putney‘s band where he also plays live (with members from different well known metalcore bands). There he has a really nice aggressive, heavy tone. He uses a Way Huge Swollen Pickle (muff type) into a 6505+ but he uses the fuzz to get kind of an HM-2 chainsaw tone. Then he adds a low octave for the chugga chugga and it sounds SUPER heavy. And they play in Drop C!
Was wondering about how he got that tone! I love END
watching how you blend basic metal tone with HM2 on the Aborted session, i start blending mine with RAT when the genre calls.
When you add the TS to the Big Muff, it sounds like an HM2!
The HM-2 tone stack is based on a Big Muff.
Very HM-2-ish sounds - which confirms my suspicion that the HM-2 is actually a fuzz pedal on steroids. The split setup certainly gives you more options then the HM-2 alone, without losing any br00tality. I personally liked the sounds with the Big Muff and the Behringer pedal best.
Great video, as always - keep 'em coming!
Indeed. The HM2 is somewhere in between dist and fuzz.
HM-2 is definitely a fuzz pedal. Sounds like a big muff tailored for metal sounds, with like a more dynamic EQ section.
The HM2 also has the EQ knobs tuned to very specific frequencies which is why it gets the "characteristic sound" only when they're maxed out. Varying said frequencies completely destroys the chainsaw effect
I actually used my hm2 into a vtm 120 as a fuzz pedal when i played in a doom band.
i can also recommend using a 'range-master' type treble booster before a lower gain fuzz. it can really break through the muddyness while still being harsh and aggressive!
Treble Boosters and Tube Screamers go very well with Big Muffs, brings back the mids and highs.
thanks for being our crazy german metal scientist, we appreciate it!!
Holy shit that was great.
And the best part is... is that i have all of these fuzz pedals bahaha
Time for some fun on my day off!
I have a boss ls-2 line selector that works pretty well for mixing pedals. A big muff mixed with a boss sd-1 was pretty interesting. I also like to run a hm-2 in one loop and leave the other loop empty to use as a clean blend. Definitely recommend for anyone who wants to experiment around.
Maybe also try a Proco Rat pedal, I really dig it as a raw sounding boost with lots of character. The Boss JB2 might also be a intersting pedal as you can do a parallel blend of OD and distortion.
Got two Rats here. Need to try them again once I find some time!
@@KohleAudioKult protip: try it with the distortion at 0 and 100
I run a rat after my muff and it's super nasty. It just gives the muff a real nice bite.
Rat is the best pedal
The Katzenkonig is a Rat/Tone Tonebender hybrid. Makes me think that will sound really well for a metal sound.
That big muff combo is incredible! All of these tones are unique, and seem like they have solid applications. Killer video!
Think I liked the cheap 'n nasty Behringer the best, loved the bite that it had. Bender came in last for me, too mid/boxy driven for my taste. Another great vid, driving home that it's important to experiment w/your guitar tone!
That moment at 11:39 when Kohle realised that it sounds "Black Metal"..... priceless
Kinda makes sense when you consider that a lot of early black metal is basically noise rock with extra use of minor chords.
No experience with doing this in a live setting, but for recording, I generally just record a separate track with the fuzz and blend it with the center "normal" track.
Also, if you're double tracking rhythm guitar, try one extremely tight amp with smooth distortion (like a Randall Diavlo 100) on one side and one that has a very rough distortion (like an ENGL Thunder 50) on the other side. The combination is great!
My Hail Satan Fuzz has a 50% dry wet blend on it and I use that to hit the front end of the blue channel of my 5153. Huge, monstrous sound that could do doom or death metal handily.
I have a Line 6 HX Stomp patch where I blend a Hyperfuzz on mode 2 with a ProCo Rat. I wasn't using it for modern metal, but rather really slow stoner/doom/drone. I wanted a cross between the Electric Wizard Dopethrone tone and the huge thick low end of SunnO))).
In the A/B in this video, I actually preferred the Tone Bender! Don't really like the sound on its own, but the midrange really popped out of the mix.
I have done this a few times. :D ...Turned into Stoner/Doom/Sludge at my old age. I don't gig anymore, so I use only pedals and IR's to record. A Palmer ss-power-amp if I need to jam with guys. Or just PA-speakers, active. I too split the signal, the first usually to Neunaber Neuron as the "Metal" and the other channel usually has a treblebooster into a fuzz into a Matamp-style preamp-pedal. BUT I have not found a way to join them into mono again, so I record it stereo, or put the otherone into a poweramp-cab and the other into a PA-speaker. Oddly enough, the fuzz-channel sometimes needs a buffer somewhere, but it might have actually been a phase issue. Must check. Cheers!
You have to try a bit crusher pedal. You can get extremely nasty tones with them.
Good idea. That might be fun!
I was wondering if a bitcrusher was used on the savage and disgusting tone on Ho99o9’s Death Kult
It’s most likely multiple super cheap fuzzes and distortions but the crunch of the tone sounds very bitcrushed so even if they didn’t use one it might work to get that tone
I use an EHX Metal Muff with top boost and a Pro Co Rat 2 in parallel using an EHX Tri Parallel Mixer. I have never heard such a good tone in my life
The "common wisdom" about the fuzzface is that it needs to be connected straight to a guitar with passive pickups to do its thing. Well... The thing most people like it for. It will load down the pickup (impedance mismatch) in a way that actually sounds better with the gain and distortion/fuzz it makes. And controlling it with your guitars volume knob is a big part of it too. And again... That only works well straight to the guitar with passive pickups. The sounds it is known for when used that way are quite far from modern fast metal though.
Just for your information though... There's nothing wrong in experimenting. I loved the SF300 combination, but then again, I like fuzzy and nasty. :)
That’s absolutely the key to a great Fuzz Face sound.
There’s the MXR Classic 108 with a dedicated switchable buffer that might do the trick in environments like these.
Thank you Kristian for the question ! It depends on gears, if I'm tube ready, or transistors (solid state technology), digital or software (plug ins), anyway I always crank up the gain on my Krush OD, then into Marshall JMP-1 (tube preamp) than I play the game in every metal contest ! 🍻🍻🍻 👑👑👑🎸🎸🎸🔥🔥🔥
The way Kohle mimics his guitar sound with his voice is some kind of art and hilarious. Also toneblender is a cool name
Fender Blender exists
Sounds just great man, this is exactly the devilish science we need!
I'm definately gonna try this in the digital, once I get my Neural DSP Quad Cortex.
Fuck yeah! This is exactly what I do! I blend a Diezel VH-4 PREAMP PEDAL with the preamp of my Marshall JVM 410H using a parallel mixer pedal, back into the power amp of the JVM 410 out to a single 4x12. It gives me that huge Adam Jones type of tone in a much smaller and less expensive setup. BUT I can and often do run a fuzz into the Marshall on a clean channel and CRANK the VH4's overdrive channel pushing both with a boost. Absolutely massive sounding. 10/10 highly recommend. What I haven't tried is alternatly putting a fuzz in front of the VH4 pedal, and cranking the Marshall 🤔 Think I'll try that today! Thanks for the sharing this technique with your audience. Metal tones need soul again. All be it an evil one 🤘😉. Cheers!
Smart solution! 👌
Which mixer pedal do you use?
Have you tried to use the par.loop of the jvm instead of a mix pedal?
Same idea ...but on a budget:
Boss Lineselector performs an A+B mix function, has built in volume/pre so you can blend really easy
I have used this splitting (but with 2 different distortions) before to record. You can go DI through a single pre or into the front of single amp
If you don’t have a parallel fx loop inside your amp, check out the keymaster from pigtronix.
I do that. But I do it differently.
I run a Marshall DSL 100 watt and an Orange Crush 120 side by side. The Marshall takes the fuzz pedal (Catalinbred Giygas) The Crush is just normal gain. These go through separate speakers and volumes are adjusted to be equal. Mids mostly out. EQ to mix the sound. Kinda like how Jay Yuenger did his Mesas and Randall amps.
I hate fuzz pedals XD but man, that blending technique is mind-blowing. The Big Muff + Revv is the best combination to my ears but I'm impressed by the behringer, as you said it sounds shitty but it's incredible the sound you can have blending in the Revv! Great video Kohle!!!
You should have tried the Behringer and the Fuzzface without the Tubescreamer on. Fuzzfaces really like to be first in the chain, and the Hyper Fuzz that the Behringer is a clone of , was based on the Fuzface
I was just gonna point out the same thing. After other pedals they tend to sound thinner and more gainy/aggressive, which may be an overkill.
The intro song could easily have Svencho growling away on top of all these riffs. It's got an Aborted vibe to it for sure. Also, that nasty tone w/ the Boss pedal would work nicely on an upcoming Benighted record, don't you think? It's the kind of disgusting tone that fits their music perfectly.
Double yes! ❤️🍺
Awesome video man! That’s a killer method for developing new heavy guitar tones!
Thanks so much for sharing!
Here’s some other cheap dirt pedals for blending that work
for me:
EHX Flatiron Fuzz (Warmer Rat Distortion)
Behringer HM300 (Boss HM-2 Clone)
ProCo Rat 2
Tone City Matcha Cream (EHX Green Russian Muff Clone, this is the most focused muff model I’ve played, I also own the Triangle and Ram’s Head).
I personally think these 3 models are the best sounding muffs, I like them all more than the standard muff models I’ve played.
Since these pedals sound better boosted, here’s a couple of cheap tube screamer models too:
Behringer TO100 (TS9 Clone)
Behringer TO800 (TS808 Clone)
I think you’re a killer producer & engineer man! Keep up the great content!
The plasma distortion. Enough fukken said!!!
What do I do if I like pretty much every type of angry sound there is? Fuzz pedals, overdrive pedals (like the Tube Screamer), distortion pedals, and amp distortion boosted and upboosted. Kristian, wonderful video!
If Hagrid saw this video, he'd say: "You're a wizard, Kohle."
Making fuzz sound good, holy shit!
Please, have my like.
❤️🍺
Killer idea!! Your vids are top notch!!
This is definitely a very "at the gates" feeling tone for sure!
I thought the same! In fact I already felt it with the Revv alone.
Now play it on an old solid state Randall and it’ll sound like Crowbar. Sick.
Awesome tones! I think I liked the Behringer blend the most. So nasty.
Tube screamer into a big muff is a great set up. That used to be my live tone. Always sounded awesome. That sound turns heads for sure.
ssssssh ... stop revealing all the secrets ! I have been using an ocd and russian big muff in parallel and its a killer sound for bass distortion. This kind of setup would be nice for d-beat or crust tone where you don't wanna have the most "clean/tight" distortion but sth nasty instead.
Also, instead of messing with an amp's fx loop *which is not always running in parrallel* a Boss LS-2 can do the same job.
Ok wanna have another cool tone ? Go gtr-> TS-> chorus and distortion in parallel . Instant atmospheric black metal !
Very good point about the parallel FX Loop. Do you put the LS-2 on the FX loop or in front of the amp?
@@O5krUrrutia in front
LS-2 doesn't have polarity switch, how big issue can it be? Or is it just bender problem and I shouldn't care about it too much?
@@michanowak7060 If it is an issue you will immediately tell , because the combination of two pedals will drop the volume by a great extent. However, the good thing is that when parallely mixing you can experiment with so many pedals and don't have to be particularly picky. In other words , if polarity is an issue , use another pedal.
@@diskovolos I guess 'buy more pedals' is always an answer, thanks :p
Thats so funny that this popped in my feed. I just got a new tube head and i have an hx effects ao ive been experimenting with different tones of gain stacking a lot lately using the 4 cable method and some creative signal routing and ive got great results lately from blending overdrives, distortions, and fuzzes. It seems like you're getting the same results, the tightness and brutality of a great metal tone, and The shining personality of the fuzz coming through at the same time. It just gives such good character to your tone
How about making a video showcasing how to do this with an interface and some pedals? :D
You mean with plugins instead of real amps?
@@KohleAudioKult yeah, but some real pedals or vst effects, would be really cool
Just reamp it twice one for each configuration, have a submix/buss and increase the level of each send to blend it. For pure plugins, duplicate your DI track, setup your inserts on each one for fuzz one for distortion, send to a submix/buss like above
I always put a K or TS circuits before fuzz to tighten it up. Works great 🎛
Fuzz is pretty common in stoner metal. I've been thinking fuzz could be in extreme metal for years!
I'll bet a distortion with a blend knob could achieve a similar effect in series.
I want to hear that 3 way splitter/ mixer with the revv, bender, and muff. That seems like it would be killer.
17:01 Behringer+G4 = made in hell marriage
On my bass, I've been running an EHX Bass Soul Food with the drive cranked all the way up. The tone, volume and blend at noon. It goes into into a Bass Big Muff, tone all the way down and drive at about 10 o'clock and the dry switch on to keep the clean sound underneath it all. Totally brutal but clear.
To me, the most evil sounding of them all was the Behringer.
So I had to write this comment even though I had first watched this video around the time it came out 2 months ago.
I was so impressed with the tones you nailed, particularly in how you nailed a tone that was so damn nasty yet detailed enough to be well defined, it inspired me to replicate your setup and modify it for my own taste in tone as I wanted a more traditional "polished" high gain sound; one signal goes into my 1x12 combo Traynor Custom Special 50 and the other signal goes into my Tech 21 US Steel Sansamp, which then hits the return of the Traynor's effects loop.
Now I had only gotten the Traynor tube amp in January of this year and it was my first tube amp as before I was using another variant of Tech21's Sansamp that was DI'd into a powered speaker. So since then I had gotten to learn how to use the amp and I had figured that the clean channel could do a clean fender or clean Marshall tone, but the distortion channel had a lot of mids similar to a medium gain channel of a Mesa Boogie mark series. And when I had watched this video, I confirmed that my Traynor amp had a parallel effects loop and I immediately ordered the US Steel Sansamp as it was based off of Higher Gain mesa boogies, such as dual rectifiers, and I assumed it would match up with the dirty channel of my Traynor amp.
And because I had learned well from watching this video, I ended up nailing the best high gain guitar tone that I had ever gotten out of my current rig or any of my previous rigs! It does not sound anything like this video as we went in polar opposite directions of tone, but the setup remains the same as yours. I even run not one, but two boosters; a tube screamer clone that goes into a TC electronic spark boost that's setup on the mid frequency setting with cuts to bass and treble.
I also can set this up for some of the best clean tones you will ever hear. I can have my sansamp set up for a tone thats dry and just on the edge of breakup, and I can hit the traynor's preamp with a wet signal full of modulation and delay effects while retaining my dry tone on the sansamp. This replicates the much desired Wet/Dry rig without the need of a second amplifier.
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and wisdom to the rest of us! You've for sure gained a lifetime subscriber in me
Heyho! That's a wonderful story. Makes me happy that I could inspire you to come up with something awesome and unique!
Plays the most hyped pedal of all time "this sounds REALLY SHITTY"
Hypes are shitty too 🤪
I have been for awhile just hitting the front end of my Black Arts Pharohoh with my favorite Tubescreamer at the time and going straight in the the front end of my amp. Its been my go to thing for awhile. Key is that a little goes a long way.
It's so sad to live in Brasil, I need to be rich to have any of this stuff.
Overdrive into fuzz on the clean channel of a triple rectifier. Sounds great, real sick metal tone. You can play any type of style, it sounds really ugly but the notes still come thru clear.
Amazing as always :-)
Making sure I got this right:
Splitter Out 1 > Fuzz Pedal > (Pre)Amp Input
Splitter Out 2 > Revv G4 > Amp Effects Return
...so the amp's Effects Send can be left unplugged? I mean, shouldn't the FX Loop be always closed (Send > FX > Return)?
Exactly!
@@KohleAudioKult awesome, thanks!
I do a wet dry rig like this ,soldano and is wet using overdrive channel into a 4x12 with V30s and eminence legend 75 watters the dry rig is a jcm 900 clean channel with a hint of breakup and running a earthbound Audio Supercollider muff into a 4x12 loaded with EV 12L and eminence governor's, I use a radial engineering ABY box with this setup
OMFG the head with a mix knob on the fx loop is genius! actually allows to blend in another preamp!
This demo had some great sound! When I listened to the comparison at the end, I liked the final result with the JHS fuzz best, due to the artifacts/character on the high mids, and how they interacted with the bass guitar. I dug the mix with the JHS Bender the best in this group.
Always great to learn from the masters, and this thorough comparison test was great fun! Thanks for the video.
As a bass player, i split my signal in 2 channels for years, usually in a clean and a dirt signal. Seems that i have to split it in 3 channels from now on. 😁
As a guitar player I've been splitting my signal into two channels for years, but usually Marshall VS8100 dirt and Ampeg VH-140C dirt.
Th more I watch the more I actually really like every single sound you've pulled out of those pedals.brutal.
Hi Kristian. Seeing that you´re using the DV-77 speaker, Mick Thompson always uses a blend of fuzz in his tones. In fact, he has a big collection of fuzz pedals and is constantly using different ones live. The Behringer SF300 has two fuzz modes. You used only the one that is scooped. The other mode is more conventional. But, there is a third hidden fuzz mode. If you put the switch in a position between fuzz 1 and fuzz 2, you'll actually get a third mode that is a mix of the two. By the way, I just bought your Rainbows and Chainsaws IR pack and WOW! I love it! Getting great tones on a Two Notes Torpedo CAB M+. 🤘😎🤘
Thanks for the tip! I’ll try!
you can do this very easily with a Boss line selector (LS-2) no polarity switch though, but this is how I do this
I was getting Triptykon vibes off the JHS/Revv blend. Thanks for the video. Things that make you go 'hmmm' and lab-worthy.
When you blended in the REVV for the first time, I laughed out loud with the joy of a child. I'll never not use this approach from now on. World-breaking in the best way.
I love raunchy fuzz and I have a beard..... seriously though, the behringer super fuzz is my favorite fuzz by far. Its only 25 bucks which is amazing
I play industrial Metal. I love my Behringer Super Fuzz, but always had an issue with with the sound in Fuzz 2. I did try it to clean up the sound with the the OD as an EQ. It does sound a little better and more clean. It doesn't sound constipated.
I ordered a EHX green Russian big muff this weekend and a dual splitter to try this. You inspired me, my dude!
That was the idea. Do something crazy and have a good time! 🤘
Beautiful! I know what I'm doing later tonight.
BE-OD and a Mountainking Megalith (or the BAT Pharaoh) are gonna be brutal.
This is exactly what I’m doing with a boss ls2, A channel my Mesa roadster (or any other amp) and in B channel black arts tone works pharaoh, and a precision drive before the boss
Sounds awesome. Mixing a Fuzz with the modern Metal sound adds so much wrongness in the right way. I like the Big Muff / Revv combination best. Thanks for sharing this, Kristian.
Hi Kai. You have put together a nice collection of fuzz pedals. Very well chosen.
P.S. my JPTR Jive has arrived last week, and it's a fantastic sounding pedal. Still waiting for the Kaleidoscope. Thanks for the discount code :-)
Thanks man! Kai says hello! Enjoy the Jive!
The Behringer pedal is no joke. I'm always tone chasing, but I've been getting good results from a boost, Behringer Super Fuzz, and a Boss DS-1. Start with a clean tone on the bridge pick-up. I like T: 4.5, M: 5-6, B: 5-6. Engage DS-1 and roll that dial until it just starts to break-up. Get the DS-1 tone you want but don't get to the point of "chug worthy." Engage the Behringer and dime out the Distortion and Bass knobs. Treble at about 5-6. It sounds like a mix between a chainsaw and a Harley Fat Boy.
Yup one big issue with vintage style fuzz pedals like face- oder blender-style circuits in modern setups is that they don't like low impedance (which pretty much any opamp in active pickups or overdrives create) in front of them. They will sound more broken and less musical. And it's not so much the high volume but really the impedance. There are ways to add kind of a pickup simulator coil, which is used in some Aion electronics kits, but I haven't tried one of these yet. Anyways yeah the really old ones like the face and the blender are not really suited for metal in my opinion, but the big muff absolutely rips, it's also awesome on bass guitar, with or without a clean blend.
i do use fuzz for my distortion.. but i put my blues driver first full gain then the full gain fuzz.. and i love it.. especially im using hamer california with emg active 81-85 pickups sets... and im playing blackened thrash metal...
By the way I blend TC Electronic Tube Pilot + Maxon OD808 before Mooer GE300 preamp and TC Compressor mini + TC Spark mini booster before Harley Benton power amp. I have great results with them too.
I also thought of that before. I think Paradise Lost did something like that on "Medusa"... really heavy broken up sound.
Perfect for Doomy slow Riffing... Or like the Hesse say "Is gut für Unnarum" ;)
I'll ask Aaron about that!
That was just a Guess from listening.
The overall sound is really something different and refreshing. So bonebraeking dirty and dark.
I forgot how small the World is nowadays :)
Yeah i'm really interested in that Info.
This is pretty much the same method I do for my tone. Guitar into Tube Screamer, into HM2 but blended in at 40-50% wet and then into preamp.
Playing with the screamer’s tone pot really helps shape the tone and amount of character as well
Interesting. I wonder if this would work the other way around. I mean like, the fuzz going into the fx return while using the amp’s distortion. I didn’t buy an ENGL for the clean channel 😂
I used the fuzz in the fx return of a delay (in the amp fx return) for lead
I’m wondering the same with my VH4!
What If you dont have a parallel effects loop?
I ADORE fuzz..!!! One must be very strategic in it's usage however. I got the Vox Tonebender sound down, with added disco phaser... for CRAZY solos! haha bless you man. Only just found your channel; instant sub! Stay healthy out there
A year late to the video, but I have the Boss SY-300 guitar synth, and I actually created a stereo guitar patch that on the left side is a hyper fuzz and the right side is a lead distortion. Both are 70/30 panned and share 2 EQ patches to cover overall tone shaping. Sounds very much like a fuzzy BFG Division/Cyberhex sound with the lead side giving chugging
My signal chain is amp- big muff- proco rat- wah- guitar. I use the rat to clean up the muff and tighten up that bottom end
All you need is them pedals you got there. Stacking is the way to go but you took it a step further into bad ass territory. Such a versatile rig you got in this video. I'd love to have that revv
Thank you Kristian! I followed along using my Axe-FX III and the FAS 6160 amp ... it was a splendid time under your tutelage :) 4 drive blocks with 4 drives each makes routing super simple and controls endlessly possible :)
The tone of guitars in modern metal has been discussed many times before. To be honest, what is more lacking is a really expert discussion of how stoner, sludge sounds are created and recorded (Ufomammut, Electric Wizard, Neurosis). Those bubbling, gurgling, fuzz sounds. I have an impression that often they are not as distorted as it seems at the beginning. Often it's more crunch than distortion - this gives them the power to create a real wall of sonic pressure. I know that Swedish black metal is also a wall of sound, but it's closer to white noise than a hydraulic press on a chest.
The Behringer fuzz in this very video is the Electric Wizard "Funeralopolis" tone machine.
Loving this video! I was using as a main hi gain tone, a parallel chain with a fuzz emulation in my POD X3 Live, and in the other chain a hi gain preamp with an overdrive, basically because in that way i can hard pan and do instant double tracking, but with a lacking of blending tones (that means in a channel i have the clarity of hi gain, and in the other the lack of clarity of the fuzz but a little bit chunkier). But now i use a POD X3 in mono (not stereo out anymore), and i'm gonna use again a blend in mono of the fuzz and a hi gain with an overdrive. I hope later add an cheap OD pedal like Digitech bad monkey or Marshall guvnor 2 plus to give some more bite to the fuzz octave simulation.
13:20 not sure why but I'm getting a Converge vibe from that sound
Amazing tone! I've been eyeballing a Big Muff modification that includes a blend knob, I wonder if I could get similar results if I just run a distortion into that pedal with the blend half-way.
I don't know it it is mentioned in the video, but many Fuzz pedals, when turned on, phase invert the signal. That's not an issue when going mono, but when splitting and merging the signal again at one point, you can get a weakened sound because of phase missmatch. (EDIT, watched the whole video and saw you mentioned it.!!) Great combination of sounds!!
The best fuzz pedal that I've tried mixing with dist has been the Swollen Picke (Way Huge) Lot's of tone shaping controls and 2+ hidden controls inside the circuit.
I also achieved great sounds splitting the signal in a digital modeller in two bands (like many do with bass, but with a higher crossover FQ) Putting fuzz in the lows and dist in the mid highs was a beast of a sound, doom like, but with lots of definition and attack in the mids. The other way around was also cool. The tightness of metal distortion in the low FQs, but kind of a zipper lo-fi, crazy dirty character in the hi FQs, istead of the typical metal fizziness.
Great trick, I tested it with my Helix and it works like a charm! I will definitely be using this in the future
Awesome. I've been blending my cheap joyo octave fuzz and an acapulco gold EQ devices with the neural dsp plugins just for certain less precise sections in the song. Loving the results. It's almost to clean and boring without it now. Great vid. 🍺💪
I've kind of been doing this in Slabdragger since we started, I figured I'd treat my Sovtek Muff as a valve amp and stick a Tube Screamer into it. Hey presto! Precise chugs with filthy fuzz and feedback on tap!
I liked this, im playing more stoner metal and doom metal lately so im experimenting with a fuzz pedal into my Randall vmax. Im playing it through a cheap Behringer quad and its nice and muddy how i like. The Randall is able to provide enough attack and its eq is decent too.
Love these experiments! Please keep going! I have a non-metal amp, the Laney GH30R-112 combo, its definitely more voiced towards Blues Rock and some hard rock tones, but I've been having great nasty monstrous results mixing fuzz and distortion pedals! Maybe get some non metal amps and experiment with pedals to see what you can get.
Cheers!
My first Randall was very much the "not metal" bluesy amp I was looking for at the time. It's turned out to be the second heaviest amp I have.
I ended up getting a Cusack Music Screamer Fuzz which blends overdrive and fuzz. But, I also push it with the Maxon OD808. I use my clean ch on my amps. I get crazy overtones.
Thank you for the insight,you're awesome. I also appreciate the personality. Makes the video very enjoyable to watch. Rock on🤘
Great to hear that. Thank you!