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First Time Watching The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King Extended Edition! 🤍🗡️✨
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- Here at last, on the shores of the sea... comes the end of our Fellowship. 🥲🩵
In today's video, my dad and I watch the final film in the Lord of the Rings Trilogy: The Return of the King. 🤍🗡️
This series was incredible, and I think this last movie might be my favorite of the three. It's nice to watch a series where each movie is great!
Thank y'all so much for tuning in and for all of your support on this reaction series! I hope y'all enjoyed watching these films with us ✨🤍 & thank you for being respectful and not spoiling anything for me in the comments as I watched this iconic trilogy for the 1st time!
I definitely plan on reading these books in the future and have already started researching which book set to buy. I'm glad that I can add these movies to my rewatch collection ❤️
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Psalm 27:13
John 3:16
You are so loved!
“Hail the victorious dead!” RIP Bernard Hill
Hail!
At 36:37, in the book, Aragorn felt really bad about breaking Eowyn's heart. Later in the story he tells Eomer, "Few other griefs amid the ill chances of this world hold more bitterness and shame for a man's heart than to behold the love of a lady so fair and brave that cannot be returned. Sorrow and pity have followed me ever since I left her desperate in Dunharrow and rode to the Paths of the Dead, and no fear upon that way was so present as the fear for what might befall her."
Men dont break hearts ... women do that themselves ... by lacking self-control to "respect another woman's man".
@@Muck006 You're stereotyping. Since you've not met every man nor every woman, making an all-encompassing claim (not backed by biology or anthropology, either) can be dismissed out of hand.
The writing tho...
When Elrond says that Arwen is dying, I think he means that she become mortal, so from his immortal perspective she is indeed eventually dying. He is worried that becoming mortal is not worth it unless the ring is destroyed.
At 1:11:54 you say, "Mayor?" Yes, Samwise Gamgee served seven terms as Mayor of the Shire. He and Rose were married for 62 years and had 13 children. After Rose's death, Sam left the Red Book with his oldest daughter Elanor and departed to the Grey Havens, where he took ship to the Undying Lands, last of the Ring-bearers.
At 1:09:00, Arwen marries Aragorn, Eowyn marries Faramir, and Eomer becomes King of Rohan. Faramir continues as Steward to King Aragorn and is made Prince of Ithilien (the region east of the River where Frodo first met Faramir).
Aragorn rules as the King of the Reunited Kingdom of Gondor and Arnor for 122 years, until his death at the age of 210 years old. We are told Aragorn would accomplish much during his reign. He restores the role of the Stewards as it was before the line of kings failed. Thus, Faramir is named both Steward of Gondor and Prince of Ithilien. Faramir would marry Eowyn, and under their rule, Ithilien becomes the fairest country in the west of Middle-earth. As king, Aragorn also declares the Shire a free land under the protection of his kingdom, and forbids Men from entering it without permission from the Hobbits. He would also expand the land of the Shire. Aragorn and Eomer (now king of Rohan) would ride together to the east and south of Middle-earth, fighting and defeating the remnants of those still loyal to Sauron.
When Aragorn passes away, his son Eldarion would inherit a Reunited Kingdom unburdened by the threat of Sauron nor any great enemies influenced by the Dark Lord's presence.
Aragorn's wife Arwen passes the year after Aragorn's death due to a broken heart. This more or less fulfills what Elrond says to her in the Two Towers.
After Aragorn passes away, Legolas builds a ship of his own, sailing into the West. Out of friendship, Legolas also invites Gimli on this final voyage - making Gimli the first and only Dwarf to sail into the Undying Lands.
Merry and Pippin would go on to become important leadership figures in the Shire. Merry would eventually write a book about the history of Rohan and Gondor. At the end of their lives, they would travel once more to Rohan, visiting Eomer one last time just before the king's passing. They would also travel to Gondor, where they would spend the last of their days. Both Merry and Pippin would be buried beside Aragorn.
As for Sam, he and Rosie would have a total of 13 children together. In order of age, their kids' names are Elanor, Frodo, Rose, Merry, Pippin, Goldilocks, Hamfast, Daisy, Primrose, Bilbo, Ruby, Robin and Tolman. Sam would be elected as the mayor of the Shire for seven consecutive 7-year terms, making him the longest serving mayor in Shire history. After Rosie passes away from old age and Sam's youngest child Tolman comes of age (which, by Shire reckoning, is 33 years old), Sam passes the Red Book on to his eldest (Elanor) and also sails into the West - as Sam, though briefly, also once held the One Ring - reuniting with Frodo until the end of their days.
Lastly, as a fun little bit from the book, before Aragorn's coronation, there is a minstrel who sings about Frodo's journey and task to destroy the One Ring. However, it seems the Gondorians' version of the tale is somewhat embellished, as we get this quote from Ioreth (the eldest lady in Gondor's Houses of Healing):
"'Nay, cousin! they are not boys,' said Ioreth to her kinswoman from Imloth Melui, who stood beside her. 'Those are _Periain_ (Elvish for Halfling), out of the far country of the Halflings, where they are princes of great fame, it is said. I should know, for I had one tend in the Houses. They are small, but they are valiant. Why, cousin, one of them (Frodo) went with only his esquire (Sam) into the Black Country and fought with the Dark Lord all by himself, and set fire to his Tower, if you can believe it. At least that is the tale in the City. That will be the one who walks with our Elfstone (Aragorn). They are dear friends, I hear.'"
Wow!! 🥹 thank you for sharing! the names Sam and Rosie chose for their kids are so sweet!
Very nicely put, though if I remember correctly; one of reasons Ithelion is the fairest is Legolas led a contingent of Elves to help restore it.
@@copperhopperwarren4788 You would be correct. Legolas would lead some Elves from his father's realm in Mirkwood to come to live in Ithilien.
In the book it's explained that after the Fourth Age elves left the world to sail to the Undying Lands (basically heaven), dwarves shut themselves off in their mountains, and hobbits got a little bigger every generation until they simply became part of mankind and that's why all those magical races disappeared and the Age of Man began.
Valinor, the Undying Lands, are more like the Garden of Eden and not Heaven, which would be where Eru dwells--that place is called The Timeless Halls.
Tolkien wrote that hobbits are still around. They've grown smaller and are experts at hiding from "big folk", but still exist. Maybe they became Borrowers or get seasonal work as Santa's Helpers?
Merry was hurt when he stabbed the Witch King in the calf just before Eowyn got hit. Eowyn received a broken arm when the Witch King shattered her shield with that humongous swinging mace. And it was AragoRn, who was (in addition to all his other positive abilities) a Healer.
My favorite kind of reaction. Not talking for the sake of talking over important dialogue. Awesome
Hear, hear!
Thx you two, for going on this journey - and taking us with you. Merci beaucoup!
🥹❤️ Merci beaucoup!!
As I understand it, Smeagol was an unsavory individual to begin with. The ring amplifies the worst traits of a person, thus Smeagol's almost instant corruption. Frodo, on the other hand, was a good and gentle hobbit, with no greed or craving for power, so the ring didn't affect him in the same way
At 42:19, some nice cameos, including Weta Workshop director Richard Taylor as the Bosun, as well as Director of Photography Andrew Lesnie next to him, and Peter Jackson getting killed by the errant arrow.
At 16:07, the "great wave" dreamed by Eowyn was dreamed by Faramir in the book; it was the great wave that drowned the island realm of Numenor at the end of the Second Age. Tolkien himself repeatedly dreamed this dream while growing up
That's some valuable trivia I didn't know of. I only read the fellowship as a kid
3:00 A few points about the ring. The ring is like an addiction. It's not so much a question of how addictive the ring is it has more to do with how vulnerable an individual is to becoming addicted. Borormir fell victim to the ring because he desperately wanted the power to save his people from the invading orcs. Frodo is able to resist the ring because he never wanted it. He didn't try to take the ring it was left to him. He even tried to give it away a couple of times.
Smeagol was the grandson of the Matriarch of the Stoors which were a hobbit like people. Smeagol was a mean spirited, greedy, petty thief before he came across the ring. Think of a suburban kid who's born into a wealthy family and for some reason this kid thinks it'd be cool to be like a gangster. That's kind of like Smeagol. After he killed Deagol (Deagol is his brother or cousin I'm not really sure which) his grandmother exiled him he was forced to ramp up the theft to survive. Even going as far as stealing babies from the cradle. Yeah, Smeagol was a pretty bad person to begin with.
Definitely not the best reaction. The fathers over analysis at inappropriate times was annoying, and the editing choices were questionable (who edits out the Ride of the Rohirrim?)..... but any parent introducing their child to this trilogy earns my comment and like 👍. Also marks for watching the extended editions, on a big screen, and in one sitting. 👏
"Why did he (Gimli) do that? Because it was a good excuse to have Peter Jackson play his cameo in this movie, as in all the others! (he was the bloke who took Legolas's misdirected arrow in the chest).
Could you imagine being at a movie theater and the dude next to you just commentating through the whole thing lol
During the "fire a warning shot..." scene, Gimli tips Legolas's bow so that Peter Jackson, in costume, can take an arrow to the chest.
It's funny that even when his aim is messed with, Legolas still ends up hitting a target. He's the anti-stormtrooper--I don't think he misses any shots in all three films.
"WE FIGHT! The Fabulous Green Bubbles Foaming Cleanser -- vanquishes problem orcs with ease!"
Farimir married Eowyn and was named Steward of Gondor and served as Aragorn's Aide. Eomer (Arwen's brother) was made King of Rohan and fought many battles alongside Aragorn in the future.
You meant to say Eomer was Eowyn's brother.. not Arwen's ;) (Ironically, Arwen did have 2 brothers, but they were never cast in these movies)
Faramir was already Steward of Gondor, taking the title at the death of Denethor. What Aragorn named him was Prince of Ithilien, recognizing the royal blood that ran true in his family line.
When Pippin left Merry said they had been together since before they were "tweens". 20's are the hobbit age of adolescence, like teens for humans.
Tolkien coined the term "TWeen", meaning TWenties, but then it was slowly adopted into general english usage in the United states to mean preteens...so the concept was roughly the same, but the years are off.
They cannot bw twins, as they belong to the two more important families of the Shire, the Tooks (Pippin) and the Brundybucks (Merry)
It’s a silly thing to say, anyway, since Pippin is still in his “tweens,” and Merry is barely out of them. They are both cousins to Frodo, but from different families. Pippin is actually the closest thing to royalty the hobbits have, being the son of the Thain of the shire.
Elrond has the gift of foresight and thus it is passed to his children to an extent. Thats why Arwen was able to see a glimpse of her future. Elrond's Great Great grandmother was Melian, a Maiar (one of the demi-god that helped shape/ create the world of Arda). That makes Elrond 1/32 Maiar and Arwen, 1/64 Maiar and Aragon is part of that line but too far removed as the Line of Elros(Elrond's twin brother) has slowly diminished through several generations.
Good observation he makes at 04:30. Tolkien alludes (in one of his letters) to the idea that the Ring's power and influence was indeed *that* much more overwhelming in the immediate moment in comes into contact with a living being (who might possess it) for the first time in three thousand years.
It's a mistake to over-personify the Ring as having motivations and being calculating in the same way that a person would be, however we do know that it could sense (somehow) when it had an opportunity to continue its journey/i.e get moving again - with its ultimate objective being to return to its Maker.
I love how u have tears but don’t show to much emotion to your father just quietly enjoying the film
Orcs are naturally extremely tribal, and, left to themselves, make war on other orc tribes, constantly. Only Sauron (or his Master, Morgoth) can exert any influence and Force them to work together. But those imposed bonds are fragile - any disagreement, or accidental insult, can spark real trouble, just as you saw.. If Sam had appeared amongst them while they fought each other, they would have instantly stopped fighting each other and turned on Sam. (They hate humans, Elves and Dwarves much more than they hate other orcs. One group were Mordor Orcs, the others were from the Evil City, Minas Morgul, ie: from Outside the Borders of Mordor)
At 38:15, in the book Merry is given a ride to Minas Tirith by one "Dernhelm," whom Merry had previously seen while Theoden was reviewing his troops: "But when they had come almost to the end of the line one looked up glancing keenly at the hobbit. A young man, Merry thought as he returned the glance, less in height and girth than most. He caught the glint of clear grey eyes; and then he shivered, for it came suddenly to him that it was the face of one without hope who goes in search of death." Merry doesn't discover the identity of "Dernhelm" until the climax of the battle. Peter Jackson & Co.'s version works just as well--I don't think Merry could share a horse with "Dernhelm" for three days without figuring out his identity.
Thank you for a wonderful reaction to this masterpiece. This trilogy stands as one of the great cinematic achievements of all time.
To answer your question about how Smeagol could succumb so quickly to the ring, when other hobbits do not.
Hobbits all have the capacity to resist the ring, but Smeagol was already a spoiled, despicable character prior to the ring being found. The ring tapped into his base desires.
At 27:30, the Lighting of the Beacons is wonderful cinema but terrible strategy--who would spend his life freezing on top of a mountain, waiting to light a beacon that would be hidden by cloud half the time? Tolkien's version is more practical. In the book, the beacons were not placed on top of the high mountains, but rather on a chain of foothills adjacent to the road between Edoras and Minas Tirith, where post stations along the road would serve as bases for the men to light the beacons. A similar chain of beacons ran along the hills on the south side of the mountains to carry a signal to the southern fiefs.
Ya the way the beacons are depicted in the movie you would have to wonder if it was an initiation or a punishment duty to sit on a high windswept mountaintop to tend beacons that hadn't been lit in hundreds of years while also carrying up all of your food, firewood and water. No thanks.
did it not occur to you that they rotated in shifts?
@@nonirose3640 rock, paper, scissors for summer shift,
The first one was near Minas Tirith. It was easy for Pippin to climb up there. That one can easily be manned. The rest don't have to be.
They can go up there only when they see another beacon being lit.
The Ring plays on the desire or ambitions of that person, it will tell you whatever you need to hear in order to be swayed by it. If I remember it correctly Smeagol was already a sort of outcast odd hobbit out, but the corruption of the Ring completely cut him off, through the murder of Deagol.
Frodo and Sam relatively were able to withstand it because they love the Shire and care little for glory or riches...
We see its effect in the book when Sam briefly holds it, but despite all the lovely images and promises the Ring makes, Sam just shrugs it off and goes "Nah...that's not me."
It is why Boromir falls for it. He is desperate, he is send as his people's only hope, the only one willing to stand up for them as Aragorn the heir basically tells him in Lothlorien that he does not believe in the good of his own people.
And it is his words that ultimately push Boromir into taking the only other option before him...get a hold of the ring. To safe his people from war, enslavement and death.
Smeagol was a member of the River Folk, described as "not so different from a Hobbit."
Me encanta la reaccion de este canal, no hablan todo el tiempo y distraen al expectador sino que se mantienen atento de todo lo que pasa y eso hace vivir mas la historia ❤
All the elves were leaving Middle Earth for what is the elven equivalent of Heaven. Frodo, as a ring bearer, was accorded the privilege of going there with the elves. The elves, as well as Gandalf had accomplished their missions on Middle Earth and it was their time to go. You may recall that Gandalf told Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas that he had died but was sent back to accomplish his mission.
As far as Arwen, because she was a descendant of a half elf, had the option to choose a mortal life if she wanted. When Elrond told Aragorn that her life was tied to the fate of the ring, he meant that if the ring was not destroyed soon, she would die. Others who know the lore better than I do may want to clarify why that was.
The music itself will always remain close to my heart
Beautiful reaction to my most favorite movies! Thank you very much. I cry everytime...
Arwen's fate was tied to the ring because she was now mortal and could not leave Middle-Earth for Valinor with the rest of the elves. Therefore, if Sauron won then she would be trapped and suffer the fate of the rest of Middle-Earth.
How is it that you notice the Wilhelm scream and not dad? come on dad, the Wilhelm scream is film greatness ! 😂
Hobbits are intrinsically difficult to corrupt. Being they have no real ambition.
Sméagol was an exception. He was born bonkers.
"is frodo the hero?"........Frodo said: "no, but i served in a company of heroes"
At 20:50, you wonder if Minas Tirith was inspired by Mont Saint-Michel in France. The answer is definitely yes. Didn't they do a wonderful job on it? The model stands about 12 feet high, as I recall, and in addition, there are full sized and reduced sized sets. After the filming of Helm's Deep, that set was torn down, and Minas Tirith was built in its place.
Or maybe Saint Michael's Mount in England?
I'm sure in one of the documentaries on the DVD they said it was based on some town in southern Italy.
My best guess about who Smeagol was telling that story to is also himself. I think this is him talking to himself sometime after Frodo reminds him of his name, trying to piece together some kind of coherent narrative of what happened to him.
Shelob's web was like a lint roller for Frodo's face.
Arwen gives up her immortality for Aragorn. It's not explained well in the movies but Elrond and Arwen are half elves and can choose to become mortal. Elrond and his brother Elros already made that choice with Elrond remaining immortal and Elros choosing a mortal life and siring the line of Kings of Númenor and later Gondor, so Arwen and Aragorn are distantly related.
Great job! This is a beautiful film and your analysis was very well stated. Thank you for uploading! It's certainly one of my favorite films. The Hobbit trilogy does fill in some of the missing pieces as well as the Amazon prequel series (although the quality differs somewhat from the films).
Regarding what @cipix37 said about Arwen dying (I don't know if you can tagg ppl here): Erond himself was born a half-Elf (half human) - The Valar/Eru Ilúvatar did not find this an acceptable state of affairs - You're either an immortal Elf, or you're a Man, with The Gift of Man (which I mentioned in other post) - Elrond and his twin brother Elros had to choose between being counted among Men, or among Elves - Erond choose to be an Elf, Elros* choose to be Man. I say this because that is generally interpreted as being the reason for why Arwen could choose mortality - That the choice was extended a generation from Elrond (and was also a special case, being a part of Ilúvatars/God's Plan). Because of Arwen's choice, her's and Elrond's separation would really be Forever, which explains Elronds anguish - If Elves die, they are eventually returned to the world of the living and reunited with their families - But by being able to choose mortality, she was able to Choose to receive The Gift Of Man - Her immortal soul was henceforth forever separated from her Elven family, to go to that Secret Place that human souls go to after death (The Secret place known only to Eru Ilúvatar - God).
*Aragorn and his people are distant descendants of Elros - Even though Elros chose to be counted among men, his descendants (Numenorians) were granted longer life than normal humans - Hence why Aragorn in the movie could be 87 years old and still be fairly young (though this longer life span had already decreased by the time of the books, due to mixing with other peoples - Regular people of Gondor have none of this extended life-span, and most nobles only to very limited extent, since they are mostly of non-numenorian descent).
Lastly: Gandalf and the other "Wizards" were Maiar (angels), being sent in the guise of old men to guide the humans in their struggle against Sauron. There were 5 "Wizards" in total sent. These "Wizards" were allowed to guide/council only, not act directly against Sauron or seek positions of power for themselves. The Wizards were sent after the battle that the first movie started out with, when Sauron was seemingly defeated. Only Gandalf succeeded in staying true to his mission. Sauron and that Balrog ("Demon of the Ancient World") that the Fellowship ran into in Moria were themselves Maiar - Fallen Angles, essentially - In service of Morgoth, who is imprisoned in the Void until the Last Days. Morgoth was originally called Melkor, and was the first and Mightiest of the Valar (Arch Angels) - I think you can see the parallel...
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At 2:03 you ask, "How did the Ring get at the bottom of this lake?" The "lake" is presumably a backwater of the great River Anduin, a place called the Gladden Fields. It was described as having beds of flowering irises; it's a shame the producers didn't throw in a few for the atmosphere.
That scene skip at 49:00 is unforgivable!!!! lol
There is an entire half a chapter dedicated to Faramir and Eowyn falling in love in the book, and it's really sweet and much more fleshed out. Faramir falls head over heels at first sight, and immediately seeks out Merry to get the gossip on her, (since he heard that Merry and Eowyn rode together to Minas Tirith and were close friends). Over the course of a month or so as they recover from their respective ordeals, Faramir helps her though her trauma and challenges her "feelings" for Aragorn, helping her understand that she was in love with the idea of him more than the man himself. Ultimately she realises that there is more to life than being a queen and renowned warrior, and learns to find beauty in healing.
"And then [Faramir] took her in his arms and kissed her under the sunlit sky, and he cared not that they stood high upon the walls of the sight of many. And many indeed saw them and the light that shone about them as they came down from the walls and went hand in hand to the Houses of Healing."
And to the Warden of the Houses Faramir said: "Here is the Lady Éowyn of Rohan, and now she is healed."
The movie doesn’t develop the relationship between Eowyn and Faramir. But the book does a decent job of it. And other people have already left comments explaining what their ultimate fates were.
Elves can die of grief, essentially give up on life. Arwen renounced the live of the eldar to be with Aragaron. Her decision was made, the only way to be with Aragorn was the defeat of Sauron. Argaron has the gift of foresight, (maybe somewhat less than Elrond) basically seeing that Saurons victory would mean the death of his beloved. Elrond also forsaw this and seeing the immortality of elves leave his daughter when se made the decision to not sail into the west. Hence bringing Narsil reforged, (in the books Aragorn actually wields he narsil broken and is forged before leaving Rivendel.) The hope of victory was the string that revived Arwens new (mortal) live, without it she would perish.
Great reaction! Curious what version was this? Meaning was this the DVD verison or 4k version, or what platform is it on? im looking at the color grade and I love it.
I wish you a wonderful journey with the books, once you obtain them, you're definitely in for one!
3:17 Its not like you're weak minded, its more about the ego, the ring will work and pull the negativity of your ego. Frodo just wanted a simple live, no big desires in life. Smeagol had great dreams and a big ego which the Ring exploited.
The Lord of the Rings is a small story in Tolkien's world. Imagine the Silmarillion book turned into a movie series, it contains great stories.
Baggetts, how cool! You guys are almost Baggins.
Like French Hobbits or something 😁
YAY!
I wish I was here for the premier
Your correct! They did take inspiration from that castle in France to make Minas tirith
It's not just that they are loyal. Pippin, Merry, and Frodo are all cousins. :)
Yes, Sam was one of the best lord mayors Hobbiton has ever seen.
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he too had his trip across the sea. ;)
FYI, Gandalf had the Third Elven Ring (given to him by the last High King of the Elves). All the Elves went to "The Undying Lands" which were made for the Elves to live in. The Elves went to the Human lands in Pursuit of Morgoth (Sauron's mentor) when he killed the Two Trees and stole the Simarils.
Nice bit of lore, and I expect that you may have switched the way Gandalf received Nenya (the red ring) from Cirdan with how Elrond received Vilya (the blue ring) from Gilgalad, last High King of the Noldor in Middle Earth.
Valinor (or "the Undying Lands") is the continent - separated from the circles of the round world at the end of the Second Age - where the special elven ship was headed with Elrond, Galadriel (Elrond's mother-in-law and Arwen's grandmother), Gandalf, and Bilbo and Frodo at the end of the movie. That continent is where the three most powerful elven kindreds live, as well as the Valar (equivalent to archangels or the Classical pantheon) and the Maiar (lesser angelic beings who support the Valar). Bilbo and Frodo were still mortals, and they were permitted to travel to Valinor to be cured of their hurts resulting from holding the Ring, and in Frodo's case also to be cured of the pain from being stabbed by the Witch King and poisoned by Shelob (the giant spider). Aside from healing their hurts, these two would remain mortal and die when their lives were finished, even being in Valinor. The book lore says that Sam would travel to Valinor at the end of his life, after Rosie passed away, because he had briefly been a Ring bearer and he would be cured of its effects there before his death.
Very unusual is the story that Gimli sailed to Valinor with Legolas after Aragorn's death at the end of his 120 year reign in Gondor (and Arnor, the Northern Kingdom). Gimli was the only dwarf ever permitted to go to Valinor, and the only one who ever wanted to go there - so that he could accompany his friend Legolas, and so he could see the Lady Galadriel again before his death.
As you will find, if you search through the Appendices to The Lord of the Rings (books), The Silmarillion, and in further volumes such as Unfinished Tales, Prof Tolkien had evolving ideas about a number of these characters in his legendarium, and about how they were related and interacted with each other.
@@parissimons6385 Cant wait in which ridiculous way Amazon will try to change who had the rings ... because in their version of the "top-down three elven rings" image it is at least two women.
"The Undying lands" is the continent of Aman (and the Island Tol Eressëa) - The undying lands can no longer be reached through conventional means,, since the fall of Numenor, when the king of Numenor led his people in war/in rebellion against Eru Ilúvatar (God)/The Valar (essentially arch Angels), demanding eternal life - In response, Eru llúvatar sank the island of Numenor beneath the ocean and reshaped the world, so that only Elven ships could sail across the sea from Middle-Earth and reach Aman. I do not agree that The Undying Lands are Elven heaven (even though what is essentially this universes Angels live there) - not exactly. The land is "Undying" because those who live there are immortal - I would perhaps agree that The Undying lands are somewhat like a continent sized more advanced Garden of Eden - For Elves - Galadriel e.g., was born in the Undying Lands - It is not afterlife. If an elf is killed in some fashion, their souls travel to The Halls of Mandos - Eventually (with few exceptions), how long depending on how they have lived their lives etc, they are returned to the world in the flesh, to go on living their immortal lives. The souls of the Dwarves also end in The Halls of Mandos after their deaths (different place within the halls), but they are not returned to the flesh, since they are not immortal - At least not until Armageddon (sort of). Bilbo and Frodo (and Sam) will not live in The Undying Lands for the rest of time - Being hobbits, they are counted among the Second of Ilúvatar's Children (Man) and are thus entitled to The Gift of Man - The Gift of Man = Being Mortal, and with that, when they die, their souls go to...well, that is not revealed - Only Eru Ilúvatar knows the answer to that (even the Valar are denied that knowlege) - But it is described as being greater than the immortality that the First Children (Elves) of Ilúvatar were given, not lesser.
I will quite my Wall of Text now, but I hope that answered some of your/your fathers questions.
lol dad arguing about the torches as if he hasn't rode his car in a thick fog where you can't even see the lights from the car in front of you if you are more than 5 meters away..
All he does is try to find faults in everything, it's honestly annoying
At 25:10, in the book the Stairs of Cirith Ungol are steep but not vertical, they just go on for miles and miles. The Orcs of Minas Morgul send a party of pursuers up the Stairs after the Hobbits--it's hard to imagine a company of Orcs on the movie's stairs.
From memory, the orcs from minas morgul only go up to the tunnel - which they actually use to travel from minas morgul to cirith ungol - after they are alerted by the lights and noise of sam’s battle with shelob. Between the two groups of orcs there about 120 orcs in the tunnel. I dont think they use the stairs. Sam puts the ring on and follows them back down the tunnel - which is a wide thoroughfare - to get to cirith ungol. Its the noise and lights, shelob’s gore, and frodo’s body that causes Gorbag to believe there is a powerful elf warrior around, which shagrat, the other orc commander doesnt care about because he blames gorbag for letting the ‘elf warrior’ through. Its that disagreement thats at the heart of the fight over the mithril shirt because each orc commander is trying to cover their butt for letting the ‘elf warrior’ through.
The Three Elven Rings of Power and the Palantiri(the Seeing Stones held by Saruman and the one in Minas Tirith) were creations of the Elven House of Feanor, the first High Kings of the Elves. Feanor, son of Finwe (the first High King of the Noldor during the Years of the Two Trees) was a master craftsman who created marvelous creations that drew the admiration of the Valar and the ire of the first Dark Lord Morgoth/ Melkor, a Valar who sought to corrupt his father's creation (the various races of middle earth referred to as the children of Iluvatar who stole the Silmarils from Feanor who in turn led his loyal followers and sons back to Bellariand and Middle Earth to hunt Morgoth. These events led to the first kinslaying where elves led by Feanor massacred their fellow elves in order to obtain passage to Middle Earth. For their deeds the line of Feanor was cursed and banned from returning to Valinor. It is rumored that it was Feanor who created the Palantiri which were in turn gifted by the elves to the Numenorians, and came to the possession of Elendil, the first High KIng of Arnor and Gondor who brought them to Middle Earth after the fall of Numenor and stored them in various towers within his Kingdoms to effect communication across his realm as the second Dark Lord arose in Mordor. Sauron was able to acquire one of the Palantiri and has used it to corrupt the bearers of the rest.
The Three Elven Rings were created by Celebrimbor, son of Curufin, son of Feanor. He was the only grandson of Feanor and the greatest smith of the Second Age. He was also the elf who helped the High King of the Dwarves Durin to create the Gates of Moria (the gate we saw in the Fellowship of the Ring that required the 'friend' password to enter). He was initially deceived by Sauron to create the rings but caught on to the deceit and was able to warn the ringbearers, Gil-galad, then High King of the Noldor, Lord Elrond and Lady Galadriel; early thus they were not corrupted. But this cost him his life and saw to the distruction of his Elf Realm of Eregion that neighboured Imladris, Elrond's Elf Realm. There is only one surviving member of the family, Malgor the Minstrel another son of Feanor, if you discount the extended family being Galadriel his cousin and Elrond, his grand nephew and once adopted son. He raised Elrond and his twin brother Elros, the first King of Numenor who when given the choice, chose a mortal life and thus the race of Numenor was born through him.
Frodo went to basically what is Elf heaven. Anyone that wore a great ring of power was automatically eligible to go there. Many years later, Sam joined him after Rosy died. He was able to go for one of two reasons or both reasons. One, he briefly wore the ring. Two, he took Arwen's spot when she stayed with Arogorn. Oh, Sam was also mayor for I think for 7 terms and he had 13 kids. The oldest, seen in the movie, was Goldilocks.
The books didn't end this way and Saruman didn't die the way he did or where he did. Saruman had a secret gangster group in the Shire. Gandalf let him go after the big battle at his castle and he went to the Shire and basically took it over with his thugs. When the 4 hobbits returned, they had to root out Saruman and his gang to get the Shire back. Wormtongue did kill Saruman after the big battle at the Shire. A Hobbit archer killed Wormtongue right after. Merry and Pippin were the stars of the battle. Because they learned military tactics and they were much larger than any other hobbit because of the Ent water they drank. Frodo and Sam basically did nothing at all except to make sure not too many good and bad hobbits were killed. So, for the Hobbits, Merry and Pippin were much more famous than Sam and Frodo. Frodo was basically an after thought for the hobbits.
Sam 1st born's name is ELANOR...
He did have a daughter named Goldilocks but she was much closer to the other end of his *13* children. (maybe #9 or 10?).
You skipped some of the best bits...
21:33 yes I mean Mont saint michel is kinda one of a kind. I could be an inspiration for sure
It's a tough decision for me what my favorite scene from this movie is, but I think it's when Frodo and Sam are rescued from Mordor by Gandalf and the Eagles. The music is a poem in elvish, and when I looked up what the meaning of the lyrics are, I can't finish that sequence of the movie without tears.
Sindarin:
Orthannen im vi ól
Coll e dû
Or hiriath naur
Na rovail mae sui 'waew
Man prestant i ardhon?
Cerithar aen illiad dim úthenin?
English:
In a dream I was lifted up.
Borne from the darkness
Above the rivers of fire.
On wings soft as the wind.
What has happened to the world?
Is everything sad going to come untrue?
As if you cut out the ride of the rohirrim! Haha the greatest scene in cinema history and you cut it all out 😅
There is 3 hobbit races.
The race closest to humans is the Stoor, and Gollum is one of them... and humans are easily corrupted by the One ring.
Bilbo and three of the four principal hobbit characters in The Lord of the Rings (Frodo, Pippin, and Merry) had Fallohide blood through their common ancestor, the Old Took.
And Sam is a harfoot, which are the most numerous and quintessential hobbit, smaller in stature and darker skinned than other types.
Also, the ring magnifies the importance of the things you value.
Bilbo valued the simple pleasures. Frodo and Sam also held those as a high priority.
Also, don't underestimate the Ring, now aware that Sauron is starting to move, putting more pressure on those that now carry it and those around it.
It may have been willing to wait while Bilbo had it, and it was not until it passed to Frodo that it started to try to be found by it's creator.
18:31 "Tweens", as in their twenties, not "twins". Hobbits are considered adults at the age 33. It's like how we say "teens" about young people.
The place where the elves are leaving is their heaven. By the way YOU SHOULD watch the movies again and again, and I will guarantee you will enjoy it even more (and you will cry each and every time). Elves were having their own war against another of Sauron armies, but don't see it in the movie. Same for the dwarves. Furthermore, the question of eagles, these are independent creatures that usually do not intervene in events except in particular cases. They answered Gandalf's call at the utmost need.
The elves, gandalf and the former Ring Bearers are basically going to the heaven of the elves because their life differs so much from the life of beings like Humans or Dwarfs. They can't really die of old age.
Normally only elves would be granted the privilege to go there. But since carrying the Ring for so long took so much from the ring bearers, they are allowed to go there. So a few exceptions can be made here and there.
There were different types of Hobbits within the Hobbit race, so to speak. All the families of hobbits did not have the same qualities or looks (some actually wore shoes). The author of the "Harry Potter" books was said to have been a big fan of Tolkien. As you can probably imagine, due to her own writing style from her books.😊
The eagles just don't come like Uber would...lol!😂
There are different fractions of armies fighting in other places in middle earth when the fights in the movies are going on. Unfortunately, that doesn't get mentioned in the movies much, but it does in the books. Glad you both liked it!😊
At 12:42, you posit that Elves are unaffected by alcohol. Legolas certainly has a strong head for liquor, but in The Hobbit, Bilbo gets his Dwarf companions out of prison by getting their Elvish jailers drunk. That was wine rather than ale, though...
And those elves were Legolas' people as well. Maybe Gimli should have insisted that Legolas drink wine instead of ale, to make the contest more even!
@@rikk319 The woodland elves were known for their strong wine so Legolas would have been a seasoned drinker.
Dorthinion wine, no less! Very potent.
Cant believe you split the ride :(
Smeagol is a stoor. It's a variation of hobbit that lives by the anduin River
At 1:10:13, Arwen has become mortal by refusing to leave Middle-earth. In "The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen," which is contained in an Appendix to ROTK, after Aragorn's death (at the age of 210), Arwen loses all joy in living. She says farewell to her son King Eldarion and her daughters, and goes alone to Lothlorien, which is now deserted, and there dies. "...and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea."
😭 “and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after” we will remember you Arwen! (thank you for watching and for sharing more of the lore!)
Hello. Glad you enjoyed the movies. They are NEAR PERFECT. If you want the real story, you’ll have to read the books or listen to them on audio. The Silmarillion book explains how the world was created, I call it the ELF BIBLE. A lot of it reads like a list of things that happened- because it’s based on Tolkien’s extensive notes cobbled together into a story. So, Return of the King ends with Frodo, Gandalf, Bilbo and the rest sailing to the Undying Lands, called Valinor: where the elves came from. It’s symbolic of them dying and beginning their afterlife. In our world it’s the equivalent of RETIREMENT on permanent vacation! 😅
Hobbits are resistant to the 1st ring because they don't have many ambitions, other than to live in peace, however, this does not apply to everyone. Hobbits don't like adventures, but Bilbo ventured out and put his life at risk, these are things that cannot be generalized, the same for Gollum, who before finding the 1 ring, was an evil Hobbit, who committed robberies, which almost led to him being kicked out of his grandmother's house, who was tired of it. Just like the elves, the Hobbits also have separate peoples, Gollum is from the Stoor family, they like to live near lakes, which is why his cousin Diagol found the 1st ring. Flodo and the others are from the Fallouhide family, who have lighter skin and there are the Harfoots, who have darker skin and are the smallest Hobbits of all. Since ancient times, Hobbits were little known by other races, as they lived hidden from everyone, running away from danger and trying not to be seen.
I'm going to take advantage and talk about the magic of this universe. Unlike Harry Potter where magic is only present without much explanation of where it comes from, in this universe magic is nothing more than nature itself, a Wizard or an Elf just knows how to use it to their advantage, magic also it can be reflected in art, an elf can sing and a man is transfixed because it is so intense, an elf can carve something and a man can be totally mesmerized by the beauty of it. This is magic.
The Elves went to Aman, where their home Valinor is, some were banished from Aman, forbidden to enter the immortal lands by God, the creator of everything, Eru Ilúvatar. That's why in the first film Galadriel says she passed the test. She was banished from the immortal lands and resisting the 1st ring was the test to deserve to return to her land. The other Elves were just wandering around Middle Earth, they knew they would have to return to Aman at some point, but they didn't want to, so they tried to extend their traveling days with their rings, so when the first ring was destroyed, the rings that belong to the elves lost their power, so their home in Middle Earth would start to deteriorate, everything would start to become more human, even them. Their visas expired and they returned to Aman to make way for the Age of Men (it's more complex, but I tried to explain it simply). Frodo went along because he had nothing left but trauma, in Aman he could heal that. Sam after his wife passes away, he also goes to Aman because he has earned the right to enter the immortal lands.
R.I.P Bernard Kill - King Theoden
At 56:10, the Orc battle seems pretty arbitrary. In the book, Shagrat's Orcs from the Tower were fighting Gorbag's Orcs, who had followed Frodo and Sam up the Stairs from Minas Morgul. It always seemed a bit pat that the two groups pretty well killed each other off, leaving Sam with only a couple of Orcs to deal with.
You have to read the books to understand the INFIGHTING among the orc and goblin tribes ... and the need for "a strong will to keep them together as an orderly force". This begins in Two Towers with the orcs/uruk-hai that capture Merry and Pippin to bring them to Saruman, but it isnt really that clear in the movies.
@@Muck006 Tolkien mentions how evil-hearted the orcs were, fighting amongst themselves often when Sauron's spirit wasn't around, keeping their numbers smaller...but when Sauron returned, his will forced them to work together.
Beautiful reaction again. I like to see the emotional moments because it's nice to see I am not the only one who's tearing up
Still my fav movies since I watched them in cinema and many many times again and again later
@@DennithusAdventure low of empathy mhm? Some reactions don't need words, when you are able to read from the eyes
@@User87_ good for you
...of course after one watch, and haven't dived into the source materials behind the movies, there's a lot of open questions... the books do explain more (e.g. why the eagles do not show up more, than they do) and the 'Silmarillion' (a collection of Tolkien scripts and stories, which got published also as a book) tells a lot of tales from the past and e.g. about the undying lands - 'the lord of the rings' is but a part of the 3rd age - the Silmarillion has tales right from the beginnings / the creation of middle earth - a kind of its anthropology.. 🌈
In the West over the seas from Middle Earth is the Subcontinent (Isle) of Valinor. Most of the Elves were awakened there at the dawn of the "Time of the Trees" The other elves were awakened in Middle Earth. Many, but not all, journeyed into the west and some of these "High Elves" (eg Galadriel) returned later to Middle Earth (LONG Story) to struggle against Morgoth. Some Elves who had remained in Middle Earth all along, became the "Silvan Elves" (Wood Elves). Others were seized by Morgoth and became the First Orcs at that time, manning his Armies. Others who lived in Valinor were the Valar, almost like 15 Lesser Gods, who aided Eru (God) creating the World. Melkor was a Valar who fell into evil and was renamed Morgoth (Enemy of the World). Other (demi-god-like) beings called Maiar (Sauron,Gandalf and Saruman were all Mair. Morgoth corrupted a number of them (Sauron and the Balrogs ) and later Saruman was also corrupted by his own decisions and arrogance.
The Wizards were Maiar sentr by the Valar to counter Sauron, but bound to be advisors, not to fight the battle themselves. The corruption of Saruman changed that Balance and Gandalf was enabled to directly aid to some extent.BTW Gandalf was sent in the form of an older Man, and never aged. (His Name in Valinor as a Maiar was "Olorin") At the end of the Third Age ALL the Elves elected to leave Middle Earth and sail into the west - Is go to Valinor. Gandalf's task was done, so he returned, Frodo and Bilbo went because they would find peace and healing there. And they both had carried the One Ring leading to it's destruction. After Rosie died, Sam also was able to sail into the west, as he, too, had borne the ring, even if only for a few hours.
None of the elves awakened in Valinor, but by the shores of Cuivienen, the lake in the center of the continent in Middle-Earth. They were discovered by Orome, and many of them convinced to come to Valinor. Those were Galadriel's ancestors. Legolas' ancestors refused the call, and were moriquendi--dark elves, as they never saw the light of the two trees.
Actually, Valinor (and Tol Eressea) are not beyond the Sea anymore, technically, since they were removed from the "spheric Earth" and can be attained only by the "Straight Path" that can only journeyed by elvish ships or boats.
The Undying lands were removed from the world by the One Creator God of this world, Eru Iluvatar, when the Men of Numenor, Aragorn's and Isildur's ancestors, became obsessed with death and immortality (because of Sauron's influence) and tried to conquer Valinor. Eru intervened and drowned Numenor and reshaped Earth (Arda), that became spherical, while Valinor and Tol Eressea were suspended in the space.
34:07 isn't that guy the Rohan rider who was killed by a warg rider in the two towers????
Woohoo! let's goooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
Frodo went to the undying lands, where the elves were heading.
Smegal is not a Hobbit but of the River Folk who are similar to Hobbits. Saruman and Wormtongue didn't die that way or there. Not until almost the end of the book. Danielle, I think your dress goes very well with this movie. My question is if Faramir went instead of his brother, would the ring have corrupted him as it did to his brother? The little girl who came out to welcome her daddy home, was the actor's actual daughter. I hope that you read the books because they are so much better. But start your reading with the Hobbit.
Hobbits, in general, aren't worried about power. Smeagol (and his cousin Deagol) were not like everyone else. They were trouble-makers to begin with.
Gollum did have the ring the longest to hold it , maybe wear it too.
I mean they were probably covered in orc, elf , and human blood plus sweat I think they would all want a bath and fresh cloths while their others got washed
Plus after that battle it’s not like Rohan didn’t extra outfits available
Very funny never heard anyone comment on wardrobe before lol
I haven't read the books but having briefly researched it, it seems as though Smeagol wasn't a nice person prior to coming in contact with the ring. The ring brings out the worst in people and that's why he was more easily corrupted by it, because he had a head start so to speak.
Also, although he is a hobbit, he actually is a different type of hobbit than the Sam, Frodo, Merry and Pippin. He is a Stoorish hobbit, a tribe who settled by the river. Frodo alludes to his in the last film when he says "Gandalf said you were one of the river-folk". These different types of hobbits seem to have different cultures and characteristics. Perhaps these differences also contributed to how differently they react to the ring?
The Brandybucks--the family Merry was part of--were of stoorish descent. Frodo was also half Brandybuck, as his mother was from that family.
At 10:47, this is why we don't put spikes on our water wheels! Incidentally, the death of Saruman is quite different in the book.
Sometimes Health and Safety rules are there for a reason. The top of Orthanc should have had a rail as well
If the knife in the back didn't get him, or the fall...the spike would have done the trick :P
Pippin and Eowin were injured by their contact with the witch king and Eowin had a broken left arm.
Smeagol is a different type of hobbit ..more like neaderthal to homo sapien .,they were bigger and lived closer to men and near rivers and were fishermens while normal hobbits lived in hills and were farmers mostly and are infact scared of water bodies and rivers .well some hobbits like that of pippin were ferry folk and hence he riwed frodo in first movie across the brandywine river also why pippin got affected by the magic ball(palantir or seeing stone)...its kinda like the great migration of men in ohr world and how different races of humans came into being .all races of hobbits their different stories and all all races of all beings and their lore is explained in story form in appendices of the books
Hobbits’ limited ambitions and insularity meant that they had fewer ‘big ideas’ susceptible to the One Ring’s corruption. (Sam’s love of gardening meant the scope of his ambition when he held the Ring, and that the Ring exploited, was a vision of his own very great garden were he Lord of the Earth - the very innocence and modesty of that vision meant he could also give up the Ring more easily.)
But if your psychology was dark to begin with - as Sméagol’s was in the books - it could still wield a deadly influence on a Hobbit.
I'm really sure that you both would enjoy The Hobbit trilogy now, to keep living middle earth, and in 2026 comes The Hunt for Gollum, that day we all are going to watch it on the cinemas
1:09:20 Eomer will rule Rohan, Faramir will marry Eowyn and take up the guard in the land east of Anduin, Aragorn and Arwen will rule Gondor.
If you are interested in details ... READ THE BOOKS ...
Smeagol wasn’t a Hobbit. He was similar to one. His ears are pointed & doesn’t have the hairy feet.
"In Elven eyes" - Arwyn is dying because she is no longer immortal. The moment Frodo claimed the ring, it took a part of him, as well as being stabbed by the Ring Wraith that in itself took a part of him... When the ring was destroyed, a part of himself was destroyed. They are going to the land of Valinor - the land that was before 'Middle Earth' proper, it was a part of Middle Earth but torn away by the god Ilúvatar. Speaking of Next Watches - Fathom Events will bring all extended editions to Theaters starting June 8th! I know it's here in the greater Los Angeles area, you'd have to check to see if it's in your area.
She's still immortal...in the books and films. Remember what Elrond said in The Two Towers--even after Aragorn died of old age, she would linger, in darkness and doubt until the years of her life were utterly spent. When Arwen chooses a life with Aragorn, she's choosing her afterlife. Elves and humans go to different places in the afterlife. Elves can be eventually reincarnated, but humans get one life and probably go on to the Timeless Halls with Eru. Arwen in the books chose to give up her life a year or so after Aragorn died. The fact Elrond says Arwen is dying is a plot device in the films--she wasn't dying of old age, but from the influence of the Ring. Elves can still die in combat or from evil magic.
What's sad is that no matter what Arwen chose, she'd have a bittersweet afterlife. By choosing Aragorn, she would not see her elven relatives after death. Elrond would travel to Valinor, see his wife Celebrian, and have to tell her that they'd never see their daughter Arwen again, Blessed Realm or not.