Decoding Wrist Picking With The Clock Face System
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- It took three years of interviews and practice to get to the bottom of how wrist motion really works. Through meetings with gifted players like the incomparable Steve Morse, David Grier, Andy Wood, and Molly Tuttle, and interviews with researchers that study hand and arm function, we developed a simple and effective method that anyone can use to determine exactly what your hands are doing: the Clock Face System. Although the concept is deceptively simple, just knowing this has answered so many questions and already made me a better player: troygrady.com/2018/11/24/deco...
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My biological stepdad, uncle Ben Eller, recommended this channel to me and I’m extremely glad he did.
So Ben Eller is your your biological dad, your step dad AND your uncle all at once? Woah. Did he clone himself three times? :)
My uncle is my stepdad too
I also found Troy Grady by watching uncle Ben Eller, who's videos are brilliant & very knowledgeable 🤘👍
Every time I see a video or a post of Troy, I'm completely baffled by the amount of work that he's put into both his research and his videos. No one has ever studied guitar playing like him ever before.
@Troy Grady I hope you read this comment...You are by far the best teacher this guitar universe has ever known. I am a professional guitar player, and sound and recording engineer, you sir blow me away. It is your methodical approach to the SCIENCE behind this mystery and enigma we all try to master is what is so special about you. Your visuals, the TIME put into these videos, the whole ball of wax. I am painfully aware of the amount of time it takes to make a 5 minute video with multi camera's, graphics, audio clips, etc. So to make longer videos like these is many many hours folks..I am so thankful that you do these, I watch them all the time, my christmas wish this year if for you to have a million subscribers here and become financially secure with your "voice" in this word. God bless you Troy- Joshua
I'm baffled by that and how few subs hes got for the quality of his content. I think we need to advertise for him more :)
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Also that look at 22:03 was cracking me up. That is all.
hey youre the guy who made the i could die for you tutorial. legend!
You deserve a nobel prize, everything you've done will go down in history as the greatest technical guitar research and dissemination of information that ever graced the art. As a software engineer I admire and appreciate your work for it's sake, as I often have to do painstaking research and testing to implement features. As a guitarist, I am forever indebted to your research and you help. You've done a great service for the guitarists, and the art as a whole.
What would he win for Physiology? We better figure out how to get nobel scientists to start playing guitar!
100% agreed! Troy Grady should be canonized by the Pope, given a Nobel prize, and elected President of the World for 3 terms lol
@@ryand.5857 and knighted by queen Elizabeth... so we can call him Sir Troy Grady . 😄
Getting a video on Jason Richardson would be the most beneficial video possible for the community and your channel.
Ive been getting acclimated to Jason's "flat hand" picking grip, another great tool in the toolbox. Yes, his technique would be great to see slowed down and up close.
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Troy, you have taught me so much about the art of guitar over these past few months with your amazingly well made videos and techniques, probably more than anyone else before in my life, I can not thank you enough friend. I can’t wait to see what’s to come.
and boy, once you got towards the end of his video and start pulling everything together with Andy’s video, where you called it a tilt, or how I first thought about it as a curve, it was like the lightbulb immediately lit up. I feel like you’ve been talking about this for a few months now, and this was an excellent way to create a visual
That Andy Wood guy seems to use every compound movement and angle of attack to get over strings and does it fluidly without weird hand/wrist distortions..His picking is out of this world.
Another brilliant piece of work, amazingly shared with the world...for free. The future of guitar music and guitar players alike have you to thank for your tireless work, Dr. Grady. Thank you so very much!
OMG Troy You did it again, one month ago i realized there was something about the angle of the wrist and I related it with a clock, now I see you using the same analogy! This is just a result of all the things I learned from your videos
You're a great dude!
Dude you're the man. You're such a help to guitarists all over the world. Thanks man. I will support.
Love this! Troy, you're the best explainer and decoder of guitar mechanic motions.
You 've done a great job Troy! Your research on guitar picking technique is the best on the planet !! Thank you so much!!
Troy sir thankyou for your videos ..you are the perfect guitar teacher your videos has helped me a lot ..everytime i fell like a piece of music is challenging i find a video of yours that help me ....thank you from all those average guitarist whose lick dreams you have helped accomplish....
Just want to say thank you because I almost quit playing and your videos and also Paul Gilbert help me keep playing even though I wasn't a natural, to say the least. Thank You
After 26 years of playing (and avoiding any really fast alternate picking licks) and getting mostly good at legato style techniques, I am ready to try after watching your videos!
Did you try to invite Yngwie into one of your videos? I'm pretty sure he would be astonished. You really made a science about picking.
Dude Troy not only has this shit been transformative for my guitar playing but you’ve really illuminated the biological engineering marvel that is the human wrist. I think this shit could be super beneficial for drumkit players as well. I play a lot of drums in addition to guitar, and in the same way that there was little mechanical analysis in fast picking until CTC came along, there’s a big gap in drumming education. Almost all of the hand technique education out there centers on isolated playing on the snare drum so it seems to emphasize a handful of wrist motions, mainly wrist flexion/extension and finger movements. When you look at drummers who can move around the kit freely such as Buddy Rich and other jazz greats, you see a lot more variations in wrist movements-buddy, for instance, tends to mix forearm rotation with wrist flexion and deviation in all these intricate ways to get around the kit efficiently with a lot of excess body motions. And just as we were told “hey practice alternate picking everything” with almost NO information on HOW to physically do that shit, drummers are told “practice your rudiments and then move them around the kit” and then are on their own to figure out the mechanical motions to get that done. Just thought it might be a cool idea to apply this sort of mechanical analysis to other instruments. Anyway thanks for all that you do!
Amazing work. Conceptualising wrist movement, the way u explained is very helpful.
Thank you for your work Troy! 🎸
amazing insights and instruction as usual
COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO GUITAR, but DUDE. The wrist research combined with the clockface visual gave me the abstract idea to use the dart throwing motion with my non dominant hand in order to hit a draw shaped shot playing golf. Literally worked first try, and every try after that. Best golf instructional video ever. Been a fan of the channel for years. Now I owe Troy for my picking technique AND my golf swing
Not as unrelated as you think. In this interview with Teemu Mäntysaari we check out a wrist measurement device created for golfers ( ruclips.net/video/V4obP_K546I/видео.html ). The company is called HackMotion, they're still around and updating the product if you want to check them out.
I would love to see Andy James in one of these videos
You flex your wrist to assist in elbow flexion because the wrist flexors cross the elbow joints to attach to your humerus. I really enjoy the inclusion of anatomy and biomechanics in your videos. Thanks for another great video.
Another home run! The hits keep coming.
Thank you so much for sharing this Troy! .. Greetings from Peru
After watching the 12ish part cracking the code with Vai, Yngwie, Johnson & more at least 10 times, I came across this GeM! I may be only 1 new subber now, but I hope 🤞🏼 guitar players realize what I just denied myself for years! Thanks 🙏🏼 N’ Cheers
I love this, actually the Best blend between science and music Indeed.
Troy deserves more subs immediately
To anyone still struggling with two way pickslanting - I found this video really helped even though it doesn't specifically address two way pickslanting. I was playing around with switching between dart thrower and reverse dart thrower and found that during the switch between the two, my hand naturally does the rotate part of down-up-rotate and up-down-rotate. It also keeps the switch between DWPS and UWPS pretty minimal to the point that you pretty much stay in one pickslanting orientation the whole time with the rotation only serving the purpose of allowing you to switch between the strings, after which returning to your primary pick slant is pretty much immediate which helps everything feel more consistent.
Part of this is more of a mental thing I think - in my head, I'm not switching between two pick slants, I'm switching between DT and RDT ad the rest just falls into place naturally. It may not work for everyone but I certainly recommend giving it a go as a lot of this stuff is more about how your mind perceives what you're doing rather than what you are actually doing. I don't have a magnet to actually video it and verify what my wrist is really doing, but that's what it feels like is happening.
Also Troy - all of your videos are so helpful and insightful, I really feel like they've helped my picking technique immensely. To some people these techniques come naturally and they've subconsciously developed their technique through trial and error based on how it feels. Not all of us have that luxury and the way you break this stuff down is incredibly helpful and valuable to people like me - thank you.
This is a super insightful post! Technically, you can't switch between RDT and DT because that is stringhopping. They both use wrist extension so you would be use using the same muscle twice. It would be 10 to 0 to 3 on the clock. Instead, what you're probably doing is either 9-0-2, deviation to zero to RDT, or 10-0-3, DT to zero to deviation. That's how crosspicking works, which we describe in the longer lesson this came from. This is a technicality because the concept of what you're saying, that you switch the motions, I think this is correct. I think this is what I have always done, but didn't think of it this way until we learned more about wrist motions. One obvious question is whether or not this is always true - maybe some people do 9-0-3, which is all deviation, and just change the arm position to get the different escapes. It's complicated. Nice work on this!
@@troygrady Ah yeah of course. I think what you've described is basically what's happening but like a lot of guitarists I have no idea what my hand is actually doing at speed, and deliberately slowing it down means I have so much control over the pick stroke I'm unable to analyse it as my wrist is just doing what I'm telling it to.
I think it must be what you've always done - since getting the pickslanting primer a few years ago I was always wondering how you managed to achieve UWPS with such a shallow angle (and sometimes the pick was basically flat). I spent so much time focusing on the pick slant that I didn't really consider the wrist motion. I think this DT/RDT stuff is actually quite an important ingredient in achieving upstroke and downstroke escapes - at least for me it seems to have helped a lot.
Thank you Troy & team for your work. I truly expect all the things you've shared with us will be the basis of teaching picking technique in the future.
Este es el mejor canal...
You sir are a master on guitar 🎸 picking
Great video Troy. My only question is, why do you only have 175 thousand subscribers? Should be millions!
Ross Childress's solo in Gel is a great example of inside picking at high speeds with frequent string changes. Very very difficult.
Hehe very addictive channel. Guitar picking explained like it was quantum physics!
the more i watch it the more i am confused. i started to just play again
I hold my pick closer to to tip and every time I try to do the slanted approach it doesn't work for me. Troy holds his pick so that there's a lot of pick showing past his fingers. When I try his technique, it feels like there is a lot more movement required. I try to play fast with as little movement as possible, and in doing so I get a little bit of what he calls "string hopping". It feels more comfortable for me for some reason. But my string hopping isn't a V shape like he explains it. It's more of a very shallow U
Insane, thanks so much!
I would really love it if you could make a video on the motion mechanics of fast rhythm playing. Like fast downstrokes for example.
Yes! Get Hetfield on here!
And Olly Steel! That dude is insane.
Why the next day of practicing (i practice everyday) my technique gets super super slow for example I practice quarter note triplets at 132 bpm and the next day it’s hard to play at that speed at first, i have to “warm” for 1 hour to get to the same starting point. I have to deal with this everyday. I feel my right hand is tired or is not ready for that speed cause my muscles are still weal(?
I know these things take time and god knows how much effort I put to this but that problem it’s sincerely depressing :(. Could someone give me some advice?
Hi Marcelo! The reason you find it difficult to improve is, you guessed it, because your body is being damaged in the process and doesn't have the time to recover.
Ways you can fix this :
1- Give your body the time it needs to heal. You could stop playing for 1-2 days after a "speed picking" practice.
AND / OR
2- Damage your body less while playing. To do that, make sure your muscles are as relax as possible at all time. It also helps to breath with the tempo.
I hope that helped! Good luck!
9:40 quick explanation of clock face wrist positions
Very nice!
For a blend to occur there would have to be as many muscles at points of axis correct... if so, then there are 4 muscles in the forearm?
Troy, is it this AND forearm rotation-combination that is the key to the double escape? Is it mentioned and gone in even further detail on the full version? You’re a true hero by the way, this level of watching-listening-understanding adds the most possible value to my practice and results.
The double escape pickstroke can be made all sorts of ways! Wrist by itself, or in combination with other joints like elbow, forearm, and fingers. In this lesson we teach the wrist-only version, which is what you’re seeing in the little intro piece I’m playing here, and in Andy’s technique at the beginning of the slow motion clip we examine.
Your videos have helped me tremendously what song is at the intro ?
Andy is absolutely moving his arm at the elbow to generate his tremolo picking. I'm in the midst of trying to figure this all out because that's how I pick fast; from the elbow. Most people seem to say that wrist deviation is the superior technique though. the problem with this arm movement though is that I don't think you can do upward pick slant picking with it.
just try also, allan holdsworth picking, regarding pick slanting have you notice how long the distance of pick travel?..
Awesome breakdown and analysis of a very complex technique. Although, this is something that makes perfect sense to me, I don't think I could show this video to my 10 year-old students - far too long and talkative for their attention spans. Are you guys planning on doing one of your awesome animated videos for this concept? I think the Doctor Strange magic disc visual would look awesome in your signature animation style. Thanks again Troy and the CTC team! Cheers from Canada!
This isn’t for students, it’s for teachers! The concept isn’t even for students unless they are technically minded so we probably won’t make a “kids” version. Instead you can teach the motions themselves. They don’t need to know why they work.
Hey Troy,
Great video. I do notice your pick sticks out a lot more than Andy's when playing. What role does how far the pick sticks out on wrist picking position?
Not much so far as I can tell. You can remove the pick from my hand and the movement does not change. You can point your arm straight out in front of you with no guitar at all and the movement doesn’t change. That’s what makes the clock face concept possible.
@@troygrady Hey Troy, Thanks!!
It is cool. I see all types of guitarists hold the pick in all different ways and have speed and accuracy.
Troy, do you use left hand forearm movement when pulling off notes?
Are you familiar with Ricardo Iznaola? He is an amazing Classical guitarist (there is an album of his works on spotify), and has written books about physiology of guitar playing
Look up:
The Physiology of Guitar Playing: FunctionalAnatomy and Physiomechanics by Ricardo Iznaola
Thank you
However you hold the pick, if you practice more, you’ll be able to play hard things. Many virtuosos hold the pick and move in ways you’d probably never recommend to beginners.
That said, I really do appreciate Troy’s dedication and diligence in analyzing and making these videos.
Indeed there are lots of ways to hold and move a guitar pick - the trouble is knowing how to do them. If you don't even know these different methods exist, or how they work, it can be super confusing even for experienced players when your technique changes from day to day and you don't know why. In our instructional stuff, we don't prescribe any particular kind of motion. We just show you how they all work to eliminate as much confusion as possible for whichever method you want to use.
@@troygrady One thing that I've noticed is that you show quite a bit of the pick - which is quite different to all the advice you used to see on forums which pretty much always said to choke down on the pick and show as little of it as possible. I've found that since switching to showing more of the pick like you do, it helps to keep everything feeling much more fluid. I think this is partly because showing more of the pick actually gives you more leverage - if you choke down, you have to make bigger movements with your wrist to make the tip of the pick move the same distance. This probably only applies if your picking motions use a little rotation, which mine naturally do, but obviously that rotation comes into play when using two-way pickslanting, meaning it's far less effort to rotate and switch orientations if you show more of the pick.
I always picked with a straight arm and so when speeding up using elbow motion. Now i'm experimenting with different positions where my wrist lifts up, a bit similar to your position. It works very well for tremelo exercise , but now my wrist is making a lot of clicking noises, it doesnt hurt tough, is this normal? I'm kinda forcing my hand in a new position wich isnt really natural to me while making fast wrist motion so its pretty evident that that's the cause but i dont know how healthy it is.
Don't do anything that hurts or feels clicky! Great players use the form they do because they found a way where it feels smooth. Generally speaking, if you are working on a new motion and it doesn't feel smooth, that usually means you're not doing it right. Don't keep repeating it hoping it will get better - instead, change something about your form and try again.
Troy, exactly how did you manage to entirely change your technique like that?
I touch the guitar body for reference like you used to, I don't put any pressure on my fingers. This works fine for two way pickslanting but it makes crosspicking insanely awkward for me. I tried to stop touching the guitar body and I can actually play like that but only upward pickslanting licks because now my new reference point is my wrist and it makes DWPS impossible.
The "big three" families of guitar picking motions, elbow, forearm, and wrist, and blends of those, are learnable by anyone. Lots of players use more than one of them already. We just never had simple instructions before. When you do, there isn't really any "changing of technique". It's just "adding more techniques" that you know - like anything else in life.
Hey Troy, have you ever checked out Hamilton de Holanda's picking technique? He's an amazing Brazillian mandolin player and has a brutal picking technique
Don't know him but will have a look!
Any chance intro lesson is somewhere?
I LOVE all the mechanical terminology, but perhaps the most memorable and artful description of the motion was
"Reverse Dart Throwing"
The complication here is that there are degrees of this. Steve Morse's "reverse dart thrower" is a different motion than Andy Wood's "reverse dart thrower", and you need to know which one to use based on the arm position you've chosen. They are all in the "reverse dart" quadrant, so in a sense they are familial, for sure.
Hello Troy love the whole narrowing down of movements relating to a clock. But Andy is not moving a single plane. More like a multiple planes. He is creating an arch like a conductor moves the hand. Relating to the clock down stroke is 9:30 to 3:30 , up stroke 2:30 to 4:30. Hand being in a neutral plane near the equator.
I am very curious, because (as an example) Eddie Van Halen picks very articulately and at times with great speed. His hand/wrist always appears to be doing some kind of pendulating, rotational movement when he speed picks.
I mean, in the "Troy Grady method" it appears mostly to be wrist movement back and forth, while Eddie appears to be rotating his (supinated) forearm which "flutters" the wrist. When I try both methods in the air, I always have much greater speed with the forearm-rotational method.
Could it literally be "different strokes for different folks"? One method may, in fact, ergonomically be better than the other; but that being said, Eddie doesn't seem to be limited by his methodology.
So cool
WHich is Marty Friedman's clock pattern into this?
Does Marty use wrist motion for alternate picking? It seems like he uses finger motion to me. If so, then there is no clock to speak of.
The most important question was not answered or asked. Which plane of motion creates more efficient speed, control and muscle activation?
Troy, It looks like we see a little bit of string hopping mixed with pick slanting?
Are referring to the crosspicking motions I'm using for the intro piece, and which Andy also uses for certain lines? Although those are curved motions, they are not stringhopping - they are efficient, which is why they can be done quickly with no fatigue.
@@troygrady Ok I understand, thanks for the answer. I learned by myself for long time ago and now I'm stuck with string hopping. When a go really fast there's no string hopping and when the tempo go slower hopping is coming back. It's very difficult to re-learn something that is so incrusted in my physical memory! But I'm working on that! Thanks you for you videos, I love the science aspect of it! Another questions, I did'nt see all your vids but did you cover the "metal" playing? (fasting palm mute with string skipping, heavy picking stuff like that...) Thanks Troy!
Can anyone tell me what those pickups are?
tdous here you go! lawingmusicalproducts.com/legacy-for-strat
This is fucking godly picking technique.
Instead of reverse Dart movement How about frisbee throw?
The way one throws a frisbee is still a dart throw movement. The wrist starts at 4.30 and ends the throw at 10.30.
I was talking about the "reverse" dart throw Troy was describing. Throwing a Frisbee is like the reverse of a dart throw.@@fender4198
They are several effective frisbee throws with very different mechanics...
but most people throw darts the same way, not as much variation
@@SousSherpa yeah the 1.30-7.30 movement he describes right? Maybe all people don't throw the frisbee the same way? I throw a frisbee with my palm facing upward (forearm supinated) and following the 4.30-10.30 movement, which is the throwing dart movement.
@@SousSherpa it's a little confusing because you have to rotate your head (or your forearm, keeping your wrist motion the same) to see it go along the diagonal I mentioned. You'd have to do that if you're going to obey the "doctor strange" like nature of the clock face rotating with the forearm rule that Troy mentions.
Troy Grady ... Kiko Loureiro
I figured this movement out after few years.
Which one? There are 360 degrees of them!
If you're trying to make me want your paid product, it's working
Hey Troy, it seems that you have altered your pick grip somewhat when compared to your videos about pick grip - is that a conscious decision you have made?
Yes! We want to make sure we understand and can teach all the most common motions and grips in popular use because grip and motion influence each other. I still play all the other ways I have ever played - we’re just adding to that toolbox over time.
@@troygrady Will you articulate your choice of pickgrip further in a future video then? The impact of pickgrip in relation to wrist mechanics seems like somewhat unexplored territory.
We're updating the Pickslanting Primer with a collection of dead-clear tutorials on how to do the different picking motions we know about, including which grip to use and how to align the pickslant with the motion. We may at some point put selections of that on the channel, but for now we're just trying to get this stuff all organized and filmed.
@@troygrady that sounds absolutely amazing. I dont think you can find Any detailed information about that subject elsewhere on the internet - especially not with the amount of detail you guys put into your videos 😊
A god teaching guitar
I just watched another good player Al dissing forearm movement. I've heard the same from you but not sure why you guys are against it. No it doesn't get you tiring playing 5 sets a night, 6 days a week. Yes it does help with super speed, no it isn't hard on your wrist which you look like your going to blow out due to usage. Both work in their place and depending on your wrist strength / playing intensity - 6 hours a day or one hour. Form changes with stronger arms and wrists.
Intetesting! I'm trying yo relate but i don't think I'm doing hardly any wrist movement. Do you have a video with Batio? I learned from Howard Robert's
Well 1:30 was actually 2:30 last night, so you were still accurate.
Well when he speeds up his picking the swing motion goes away and upward slanting kicks in. Slow and fast changes things. I need more alcohol
Who, Andy? You're exactly correct!
pronation and supination too
Those are forearm motions. In fact, the whole clock concept is to cancel out the effect of pronation and supination, so you can evaluate the wrist by itself. This is why you always standardized the arm position, thumb at 9, pinky at 3.
It is true that supination and pronation are generated from the forearm. However it is still linked to the wrist. And therefore does interact with the wrist itself.
picking motion isolated from forearm motion does not happen. There is always a degree of supination and pronation being generated from the forearm and being translated into the wrist.
All you have to do is look at some your video as you doing your picking motions and you'll see the forearm motion is very important. I agree that this concept of isolated wrist motion is very important in picking mechanics and I think it should be further expanded with a next step of incorporating forearm supination and pronation as well.
I appreciate all that you do. My picking and accuracy have expanded exponentially where they have been stagnant for many years due to your teaching principles. Kudos to you
Molly and David Griers technique look identical
learning guitar by yourself = Bisection Method
learning guitar from watching Troy: Newton's Method
I just naturally play this way its just normal to me.
😎🍺🍺😎💯
Interestingly, Steve Morse is also left-handed.
It would be more appropriately called a clockface model of wrist motion
True, and I'm fine with this!
@@troygrady I really appreciate all the work you've done over the years! I really enjoy close analysis into the things I love (just by the way)
Is that a wig?
Shouldn’t you use a compass instead of a clock?
I was thinking North , North east, etc etc would be easier for my slow brain to understand 🙂
Love the clock metaphor but you are showing your age. My kids never learned how to read an analog clock. And phrases like half past, quarter to, etc leave them cold. Kind of like the little icon of a floppy disk on your app meaning "save". And lets not even get started as to why that little hard plastic 1.54MB of storage was called "floppy". :)
1.54MB, what is that NASA technology?? Atari 5 1/4” were 88K. 160 if you had a hole puncher!
@@troygrady Trying to out-old me? Next you'll tell me you started coding in assembler. Ha! What a luxury. When I started coding it was just toggling 1's and 0's into the computer from the front console. And sometimes we didn't even have the 0's.
My body doesn’t do it.
After all this he still didn't tell us don't what time it is
I’m typically a huge TG fan, but frankly I feel that you owe me 27 + min of my life back. How does identifying the wrist movement(s) benefit my playing? I determined that I go from 9 to 3.....now what?
This is hard material, I will grant you that. Most people play their entire lives, and never really understand what's happening when they look down at their hands. Understanding that there are different axes of wrist motion allows you to do things like understand why Al Di Meola or John McLaughlin's picking motion are different than Mike Stern's, even though they look identical from a few feet away. If I'm Al or John, I can now make a picking motion where downstrokes escape (0 to 2 o'clock) or if I'm Mike I can make a motions where upstrokes escape (0 to 9). Or if I'm Andy Wood, I can make a crosspicking motion that traces a semicircle (9-0-2) or if I'm Molly Tuttle I can switch up my arm position and do the same thing (10-0-3). And let's not even get started on strumming motions, many of which combine wrist with arm and are indecipherable to the typical observer - but now we can go, aha, that's just forearm rotation plus some 7-1 action. Most powerful observation we made in 2018, to be honest.
Help please right hand picking sucks
Not only am I playing guitar better, I'm better at casting spells.
decoding huh?
Son of a bitch... Why is so much research and analysis needed....just practice
Please do James Hetfield and decode the master of puppets downpicking
Great supinated player! 8-2 on the wrist clock.
@@troygrady thanks,man
Weird flex but okay
Guess you've never seen anything like it.
Troy’s going blind. Andy’s arm isn’t as “supinated” as Troy demonstrated. It’s actually a little flatter against the mandolin, and Andy’s actually scooping in a shallow “u” shape as well. All this time making this video, yet totally wrong. Oh well. On a good note, Troy has most excellent picking skills.
I am definitely correct on this one. Andy's arm position is supinated to the strings on both instruments. His preference for a 2 o'clock motion path for his fastest playing is the same on both instruments. And I can personally do the motion on both instruments. This is a good illustration of how tricky these things are to understand, and subsequently teach.
Troy Grady I think you’ve won this debate. I went back to 18:24 and the slight scooping motion I was referring to was only on the first 3 or 4 notes then when he got to speed he slightly tightened up and leveled out. But... in the pic to the left his wrist has a slight sideways downward drop which physically lessens the supination, although I agree, his arm is supinated. It looks like you had that sideways wrist drop (for lack of better terms) when you explained the ramp affect, but when you put your arm back on the guitar your wrist was straighter. Anyhow, interesting, good, dissecting stuff ya do.
You are correct, and apologies for the confusion! This talk is actually an excerpt from a longer lesson on crosspicking technique. When Andy plays at moderate speed, he uses what we call the "double escape" pickstroke - this is the curved motion you're noticing. It's also how we know that Andy's arm is supinated with respect to the strings. If it were not tilted, then the upstroke would not escape (rise above) the strings as it does. It is this dual escape that makes crosspicking possible, and it's the same motion I'm using for the intro piece. When Andy speeds up, the upstroke escape shuts off as you have noticed, and becomes a downstroke escape motion only. This is the motion I'm using for the outro lick. Either way, you have sharp eyes and I think we could have made some of this clearer.
Yes I watched it when it was first released. I think it was live if I remember correctly.
didnt know gordon ramsey knew how to play
Lol I'm left handed so I didn't understand a thing
Im a lefty but i automatically flip everything in my head. So if you tell me to turn left i turn right. This is from learning guitar at a young age lol
I skipped through this video initially and I kept coming across a pseudo Nazi salute. I swear your videos will be used as reference for decades to come. No one goes into the detail you do for the mechanics of picking.
NOT down with the Nazis. AM down with making guitar playing simpler!
Concept instead of theory? Clock numbers are reversed? Viewer is seeing 1:30 but player is seeing 11:30?
Troy Grady spends 10 minutes describing clock face movements only to continue using terms radial, ulnar, flexion, etc....and never mention clockface movements in his videos again. 😅
I think he wants to create his own term that is easier to recall.
I was getting pretty confused for a couple minutes before I realized the clock analogy doesn’t work for lefties. 😂. Well, it does but the times are all backwards.
It does, you just have to mirror-flip the numbers.
pseudoscience