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World Airways Flight 30 was a McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30CF airliner which suffered a fatal accident upon landing at Boston Logan International Airport in Boston after departing Newark International Airport (now Newark Liberty International Airport) in Newark, New Jersey on January 23, 1982. Two of the passengers were never found, and are presumed to have drowned.
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The plane rested right on the shore. It's barely in the water, and two people were never found!? That's insane!
Cockpit/first row of seats broke off from plane, fell into water. Assume the bay waters were moving fast in the snow/weather, plus the plane going in probably roiled the waters. 2 passengers were lost, no bodies found, probably due to a combination of injury/freezing from water/water current moving bodies away from plane into bay and/or out to sea.. This is my guess, but NTSB or other report on why passengers were never found would be helpful.
@@farsicalspeaking3356 .. Your scenario would make sense if these passengers 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑑 prior to this accident.
Furthermore, how many passengers have to go missing before this becomes a recovery situation, instead of a 𝑏𝑡𝑤 𝑡𝑤𝑜 𝑝𝑎𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑛𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑓𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑. ?
White people....go figure.....
I remember this crash well, I was about 12 years old and lived very close to Logan Airport. With binoculars or a telescope you could see the plane from my house (although) it was at the ocean end of Runway 15/33. I remember my dad taking me to Logan Airport's tower observation deck where they had those stationary binoculars that you would put a quarter into and we could see it from there. (Back in the day you could walk right into an airport without all the security procedures of today. You could even go to the gates if you didn't have a ticket, as long as you went through the metal detectors.)
I remember this crash as well, I was 14 years old when this happened
I was a passenger on the flight. I was returning to Germany from a 30 day leave to California. World airways had contracts and serviced many United States Air Force bases transporting dependence and troops to their service destinations. There was no warning, we knew something was wrong. Not going into any detail but it was horrific, months later I was scheduled to DEROS back to United States. When I arrived, I discovered I would be on another world airways flight. I have nothing against world airways but there was no way I was getting on that plane.
“Not going into any detail but it was horrific”. Well said, it sure was.
@@rsvpsunshine Were you on the flight as well?
I already don't like flying, but if I had been on that flight, I would have to be sedated really well to even get on another airplane.
Hell, for that matter, I probably would have had a heart attack if I'd been in that crash.
@@Anna-Rose- Yes, it was quite the experience , I did not know until days after that folks died on that flight. Trust me we were whisked away fast. I never made any claims against world airways, but I remained in touch with some that did. The airlines went out of business not long after this incident. I had a relationship with a flight attendant named Peggy which I helped by rendering first aid to her. She was quite my senior and passed a few years ago. We really had a bound, thanks for the comment.
@@GunSlinger221 what year and what flight number?
I was the last person closing the door on N113WA. I was working for Butler Aviation Airline Service in EWR and we handled World Airways daily. Remember that day clearly.
Geez that must have been hard
I was working this day on the ramp for United Airlines. It was fairly warm and drizzling that afternoon. The temperature dropped drastically when a DC-8 came onto the apron at our gate 27. The aircraft tried to make a sharp right turn to come into the gate, but everything was frozen over due to the plunging temperature. As the pilot turned the nosewheel, the aircraft only slid forward . The pilot used engine power to turn the aircraft, and eventually made it to the gate. Under normal conditions it would have taken us about 15 minutes to unload the aircraft, but due to severe icing, it took us 1 hour. It also took about the same to load it for the outbound leg. Myself , and another co-worked went to Mass at the Airport chapel, and I remember telling him that the airport should be closed. After Mass, we made our way back to Terminal C. Massport had used many vehicles to transport the passengers to the terminal.I remember seeing a sailor in his dress blues, covered in mud , and soaked from head to toe. He was definitely in a state of shock. I"ve always wondered why I remember the names of the 2 passengers that were in the first row of the aircraft that went into the harbor and were never recovered. I know that a few fishing boats had snagged them in their fishing nets, but never managed to bring them aboard. The aircraft originated in Oakland California and made a stop in Newark before continuing onto Boston. The father and son, Leo and Walter Metcalf, changed their seats in Newark so as to exit the aircraft in Boston ahead of most of the others. Bad decision on their part...
When I was a Continental FAA Aircraft Dispatcher I cancelled a flight that was supposed to arrive at the same time. The airports notams said the snow plows could not keep up and the weather forecasted more heavy snow in the next 4 hours. I coordinated with the Shift Supvr and we agreed. The VP of Passenger Service did not and wrote me up for insubordination. Soon retracted after this accident but no apology. I could have lost my license and the company and I would have incurred a big fine if I had dispatched that flight in forecasted below minimum weather.
Hello. Was you job responsible for Contintental flight? In a quick nutshell, what does a Continental FAA Aircraft Dispatcher do?
Back in the 1970's and 80's, I was a Load Controller at LGW (London Gatwick) and we handled World Airways. Virtually every departure saw the same situation- the aircraft would be just a few kilo's below max take off weight and THEN the pilots would demand another 5000 kgs of fuel "for mum'. Us horrified Load Controllers would then have to cross out our signature from the load sheet to legally protect ourselves. We'd zip back to our offices at Concorde House and announce to our colleagues that "World's departing 5 Ton overweight" and with that, the staff would push their faces up against the glass windows as we watched the DC10 trundle slowly down the runway while we all held our breath. It always seemed that the pilots would retract the undercarriage rather than actually take off and every single time the aircraft would gradually limp into the air right at the end of the runway and we'd watch it slowly disappear over the horizon rather than climb like all the other heavy aircraft. Scary!
Susan sinclair , wow. I don’t mind leaving out a little heavy once in a while but my tires never leave the ground.
Apologies for the errors. A few keys are stuk. Thank you. What ungrateful fools. People like that think that because they have money they will never need anyone. Question, why doesn't the FAA enforce the laws and rules they order on airlines after airplane crashes? FronThe recommendations by the NTSB also sometimes ignored for years. The FAA lets the airlines know what they have to do and the time or years they have to do it. Well, most do not do it or take years to get to it. The FAA has blood on their hands just as Boeing does. They wait until three or more airplanes go down for the same reason before they order to change or add or create. They are part of the problem. The airlines put those pilots in airplanes in horrible weather and to rely on heap labor maintenance workers that do not give 2 shits for the pilots, crew, or passengers. The supervisors who signs on the job completed, done. knowing the work was not done on the airplane was not done or not finished. Boeing hires cheap labor and he gets cheap labor and in turn, tens of hundreds die a horrible death. The big shots we never see at the airport, the ass kissers who make sure the airplanes are flying no matter what.. At whatever cost. His reward, a pat on the bak, a raise, and a Christmas bonus. How is it that Boing hires a nan to replace a window in a cockpit and he installs it backward, and of course the window flew while cruising the window goes out and so does the pilot halfway.
@@ninamaldonado2285 Sad to say, Airlines and Airport operators can think of Quick Turnarounds, hear 'em, see all and say Nothing, Time is money ny friend, Indonesia is the KING of this sort of stuff but that doesn't exclkude USA,UK and many European outfits for adopting the 'look the other way' attitude, then when an incident occurs, its always the Pilot's fault.
The airport was negligent ! I spent 3 winters working at CGF and we checked braking action constantly under those conditions . I'm no pilot but with the rapidly changing weather I'm shocked that the pilots did not have updated information . Braking action was the first thing our tower told pilots in such conditions
What years?
This was my eighth birthday. I remember them breaking into whatever show I was watching on a Saturday night.
I remember this incident well because it happened on World Airways. I had taken a World Airways flight in the summer of 1981 from LA to Manila just a few months before the incident. The "gate" was literally a gate at LAX. We didn't go through the main terminals we went through one of those change link fences in between terminals where we were all standing in a parking lot waiting to board. In the prior year I went on Philippine Airlines from LA to Manila. The only stop was in Honolulu. On WA we went from LA to Oakland to Seattle to Juneau Alaska, then a stop in Tokyo (maintenance issues) then to Hong Kong and finally to Manila.
My WA ticket was from LA to Manila, but I lived in Houston, so it was up to me to get to LA. I was really sweating it not because it was summer, but because virtually all the air traffic controllers were on strike! If I didn't make it LA to board my flight my cheap ticket was forfeited. Many flights had to be cancelled because of a shortage or air traffic controllers. President Reagan fired about 10K-12K members of PATCO (Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization). He said their strike was illegal because they were employed by the government. The shortage of civilian ATCs was filled by supervisors and ATCs from the military. The union effort failed woefully and the union was disbanded. Forever. The firing by Reagan of the ATCs meant they were all banned FOR LIFE. I think a hand full may have appealed and got their jobs back, but almost all lost their jobs permanently.
As I was boarding a plane in Taipei (Aug. 1981) for home there was a big buzz in the news at the airport about two U.S. F14 Tomcats shooting down two Libyan jets. Security was tight of course. Remember Taiwan was/is at odds with their big neighbor next door, China. Most countries (in deference to China) didn't recognize Taiwan as a nation, at least legally, but there were ways around that problem, so people came and went all the time. The U.S. was selling arms to Taiwan at the time which pissed off China greatly, so there was tad of nervousness at the airport waiting to board.
So by the time the above Boston landing took place I was quite attuned to a lot of news regarding planes. The PATCO strike had happened only about 20 weeks or so before the landing. The thing I remember the most about the icy landing was the passengers' response urged and egged on by reporters. Virtually ALL the passengers seem to have been jumbo jet captains! "He over shot the landing." "He was too low." "He was too high." "His angle of attack was all wrong." "I could tell looking out the window where he missed his mark." There were a lot of DC-10 captains, flight engineers, and post crash QBs on that flight that night flying cabin, and apparently they weren't bashful about sharing their expertise on how to land a big jet on ice.
The Winter of ‘82 was brutal. However I miss the days of 1 year old dc10s and 727s, L1011s, 747s, etc giving braking action reports and seeing them fly in general.
That haunting melody you played during the latter half of this video adds a poignancy that really touches my emotions. I didn't see specific mention but I assume reverse thrusters were deployed, while Captain did say "no braking". Even if they were, there probably wasn't enough runway left.
With all the pilots reports to the tower about the deterioration of the runway conditions, (braking moderate to poor, poor to nil...) I would have thought (a) the runway would have been temporarily closed for treatment or (b) the runway would have been closed as too dangerous.
As a person who cannot stand cold (not even an ice pack on an injury!) my heart goes out to the pilots and flight attendants who went in that 30' water. Thankfully they were rescued but I cannot imagine being submerged in water that cold. My heart goes out to the 2 passengers never recovered who obviously fell into 30' water when the plane broke apart. Perhaps they were already deceased when they were thrown in the freezing water.
Allec, this video is one of your A++ creations. Between the haunting music and the actual picture of the front of the plane with the nose separated, this one will stay with me for a while. Superb job!! THANK YOU!
I see a combination of three things that together caused this accident:
1. The pilot meant to set the flaps at 50 deg instead of 35.
2. For some reason didn’t touch down near the threshold.
3. Runway condition was poorer than expected.
If you remove any one of these conditions this accident may have been completely avoided or they would have not ended up in the drink.
In my flying career I learned that when one thing is unexplained get alert and figure out why.
Unless I missed it, I didn't see an explanation of why the autothrottle wouldn't accept the speeds requested by the captain, because that appears to have been part of the reason why they landed further down the runway and at higher speed, which contributed to the disaster
Same for me, it seems a contributing factor as they had to land faster than usual.
The AT/SC system couldn't be checked by the NTSB due to salt water immersion into the system. The ALPHA annunciation indicates that the selected speed is too close to stalling speed for the given flight configuration. The system is allowed to have a +7 knot deviation. Both the captain and engineer were aware the system seemed to give an ALPHA warning at speeds at least 6 knots above that, and at previous approaches the captain used manual throttle to comply with ATC's demands for lower speeds. As AT/SC is not considered critical the aircraft is allowed to fly with suspect AT/SC systems.
libraryonline.erau.edu/online-full-text/ntsb/aircraft-accident-reports/AAR85-06.pdf
@@roykliffen9674 thanks for that extra info
I also didn't see an explanation of why they kept using the autothrottle. You would think both pilots had enough experience to be able to manually throttle the plane.
@@roykliffen9674 had the aircraft landed normally I assume the issue would have been checked out and rectified. As you said not the most critical of problems but bothersome nevertheless
I remember that one. Boston is known for, shall we say creative, runway condition reports. I also remember landing a 727 there about 50 years ago; the runway was described as wet, braking condition good. Right. We had no brakes, no nosewheel steering, nothing. Fortunately enough reverse thrust to stop -- but have you ever tried to taxi a 727 using only differential thrust?
Was boston approach & operations held accountable for this disaster ?
I listened to an exchange between Kennedy Tower and a BA 747 pilot when the taxi way was wet and slippery. The tower got on the captain for going too slow. The BA pilot response was classic "I am responsible for the safety of this plane and passengers, not you. I will taxi at the speed I feel is best at this time." Silence from the tower.
@@mike89128 BA Pilots are the best for putting people in their place.
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Seems like the runway should have been closed after reports of poor-to-nil braking. It's surprising anyone was able to land safely.
My thought exactly. There should have been an alternate runway to use
Apparently the earlier landings touched down close to the beginning of the runway. This one touched down way too far along the runway to stop safely using only speed brakes and reverse thrust.
Too high airspeed for 35° flaps, caused the airplane to float.
Why did the pilot not go around? Certainly poor performance by the controllers and their assistants contributed to the crash, putting a heavy decision load on the flight crew but when you get down to it the pilot in control could have decided to abort the landing while the aircraft still had flying airspeed, and before touchdown and reversing.
What is the response time of a DC-10’s engines from landing thrust to go-around thrust?
Can, or could at that time, the antilocking not cope with ice to take advantage of whatever braking is possible?
This took place not too long after a strike from the Air Controller Union called PATCO in 1981. Many of the air controllers that supported the union were fired, so that means many air controllers didn't have experience.
@Dennis Wilson The workers were not "scabs". Enough of the de-humanizing jargon from unions. The PATCO people didn't want their jobs and they were replaced. Period.
@@johndd8186 Yes they were scabs who put the lives of thousands at risk with their idiocy. Quality ain't cheap, and the airlines chose bigger profits over passenger safety.
The New York Times, Feb. 10, 1984: "[T]he crash has left behind a legacy of lawsuits and, for Audrey Metcalf, an ebbing hope that her father and brother's remains will be found. Walter and Leo Metcalf, she said, were "just everyday American people" no one looked for until three days after the crash.
"Knowing they are out there somewhere in the ocean is very hard," said Miss Metcalf, a 43-year-old computer programmer who lives in nearby Franklin. "They feared the water terribly. For both of them to die that way was terrible."
"I know they are dead - it's not that. I had their names put on their headstone where my mother is buried. But it's very hard to see their names there and know their bodies aren't."
Walter Metcalf, 70, and his son, Leo, 40, were returning home from a week's stay in St. Joe, Fla., when a connecting flight from Newark, N.J., to Boston was canceled because of poor weather. They caught World Airways Flight 30. As the plane, carrying 198 passengers and 12 crew members, touched down at Logan International Airport, it slid on the icy runway and plunged into the water. The impact sheared off the plane's cockpit and first passenger row, where the Metcalfs are believed to have been seated. Their hand luggage was later fished out of the water.
Fifteen of the approximately 35 suits against the airline have been settled for a total of $400,000, said Maynard Kirpalani of Boston, an attorney for World Airways. Among the pending cases is a $27 million suit filed by Miss Metcalf and her brother, Ronald, of East Kingston, N.H. Their suit accuses World Airways of "grossly callous and careless conduct." They also sued the F.A.A. and the port authority.
Miss Metcalf says she is still bitter about the accident, especially that it took her three days to convince officials that her relatives were on the plane.
Thank you for the article.
I am surprised Miss Metcalf had to convince officials that her father and brother were on the aircraft. I would think that the passenger manifest would contain their names.
This lawsuit probably began every passenger being individually checked onto the plane as they enter.
@@Eternal_Tech - Remember, the accident happened about 40 years ago. Everything was more lax back then.
@@Eternal_Tech thank the NYT for the article!
When the captain said no braking in the video I was remembering when I flew into Logan several years ago and thinking , there’s nothing beyond that runway but water!
Remind Madeira, even worse...
I live in Boston and I flew to Madeira. Still alive. 😀
This was one I have been waiting for! Although I always thought it was a Continental plane...
Live in Boston, total plane geek, always surprised at how few incidents Logan has for such a small footprint of an airport and for how poor the weather is and how busy it is...
Met the captain and have flown with and am friends with the ISM of this flight. Spent 25 years flying the DC-10 for World Airways as first officer and captain.
My husband fly with World
According to the NTSB Report on the accident, The First Officer was actually aged 38 and the Second Officer (Flight Engineer) was actually aged 56. I just want to point this out
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Excellent. This crash was so interesting. Glad to have been able to see where it overran in IRL and learn more about it. Good job.
Yes he does great jobs on making videos.
My Dad drove me down to Point Shirley in Winthrop,Ma the next day and we looked through binoculars across the water to see the jagged opening of the fuselage with the nose missing. I was creeped out and fascinated all at the same time.
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Why do I have to sit through Joe Biden commercials? I know what dementia looks like.
Michael Telzrow I dunno. Why are you asking me?
I was almost on this flight. I was in Newark, planning to take the shuttle to Boston, but was informed that the shuttle flights were cancelled. The Eastern agent suggested that World was flying and they had seats available. I instead, opted for the train - when I got to South Station, I caught a cab, wanting to get to Logan to pick up my car that I'd parked there. The cabbie informed me that the tunnel to Logan was closed, due to a crash, but that he'd swing around Chelsea to get me there. It was then that I found out it was the flight I might have been on. The next day, I saw the plane nose down in the harbor from my flight taxiing out for Chicago.
Unbelievable these stories. I was watching the video and then came down to the comments for stories like this from people who had connections to the flights in Ibay videos. This was a really incredible one.
wow, that incredible!
Sorry you missed your flight.
nothing to say except 100 level luck
Thank you for sharing.
If you were wondering how they managed not to find the two missing passengers (a father and son - Walter Metcalf, 70, and his son Leo, 40), it's because they were not reported missing until 72 hours after the crash. Silly me...I thought one of the first things you do after a crash is to account for all of the passengers. How the hell does it take 3 days to realize that there are passengers missing?
It's terrible! And what about flight attendants? They do not saw that two passengers from first row has disappeared??
Alex Martinengo U expect the flight attendants to remember every face onboard as well as assist in emergencies? Not to mention they’re likely interviewed exhaustedly after an accident...
David T you try remembering 200 faces
The father and son were supposedly found alive, years later, in Florida. Insurance scam?
Terrible. How could this have happened? One would assume that the airline or authorities would take a head count. They were from my hometown of Dedham, Massachusetts.
Thanks Allec for another outstanding video!
Crazy how the 2 were never found to this day, that's pretty scary indeed
but normally when the bacteria start bloating the remains, they will float to the top.
That makes no sense. They didn't land in a storm. Two people just floated away. Crazy.
How Ward probably married lovers took advantage of the situation 🚀
@@Cola64 LOL faked their deaths to run off together. I guess that's better than dying.
How Ward. I worked for World Airways in the 90’s. I was told the two missing people faked there deaths so the Family could sue. That was the Rumor. I really loved working at World as a young man.
With the crash of Air Florida Flight 90 still in the news, this one got moved to the second or third pages of the newspaper. I forgot all about it. Thanks for posting.
Thanks,grand work on the upload.BRAVO
Just when you thought you were safely on the ground... BAM!
Great vid Allec.
Greetings from South Africa 👋🇿🇦
What did you do with the time you saved not typing eo? You kiss is butt on every video?
It’s kinda funny, because me, my father, and my Pop-Pop
(He was a pilot for eastern airlines before it went bankrupt)
were talking about this flight, talking about the 2 missing people. And talking about how the hell 2 people could have died in such a survivable accident.
But R.I.P the 2 people, unless they’re still alive somewhere....
The missing men were a father and son, I am guessing the dad was in his 60's or even 70's and the son in his 40's. Their last name was Metcalf. Somehow that sticks with me.
One of the seats, or a pair, I am not sure it was the very same seats per the flight manifest, washed ashore some days later, empty, on Cape Cod. I recall it was the bay side of Truro and is 50 miles from Boston as the crow flies. Sad to this day.
Seriously man-your work is top notch. Love your channel and videos. Keep at it!
Another outstanding video, Allec.
Associated Press report from April 23, 1986: "A federal judge found World Airways, the Federal Aviation Administration and the operators of Logan International Airport all partly to blame. Basing his decision on a trial that included three months of testimony, U.S. District Judge Robert E. Keeton found World Airways 50 percent to blame. Massachusetts Port Authority, which operates the airport, was found to be 30 percent at fault in the crash and the FAA was said to be 20 percent to blame. Keeton said the pilot was at fault for landing ″too fast, too far down the runway, and with flaps at 35 rather than at 50 degrees.″ The judge said that Massport failed to close the runway despite hazardous conditions and that neither it nor the FAA had let World know that conditions had deteriorated. National Transportation Safety Board investigators said that Flight 30 had landed 14 mph too fast and 1,000 feet too far down the runway. But the board concluded the runway was so slippery the jet would have ended up in the water even if it had landed properly."
A slower speed and an extra 1000 feet of runway might have made the impact less severe. They still should have had accurate runway conditions available before landing.
Sounds like the judge decided to make his own conclusions instead of deferring to the NTSB. Airport only 30% liable?
No one gives a sh*t what some ignorant judge thinks. A court of law is not factually accurate.
People need to understand our courts, and our legislators are far from perfect, and many are just downright ignorant and even more overestimate their grasp of most issues..
@@dezznutz3743 Exactly ,that is when the investigation should left up to NTSB investigators for their findings & conclusions be bared out in public. Then, perhaps the judge can Rule based on the Scientific Data's findings.
But it wouldn't have if the pic had aborted the landing and gone around. That is what he should have done even with a clean runway. Pilots always trying to save a bad approach. Going around admits failure. Thats the way they think. I did it for a living.
Excellent video Allec!👍👍
Wouldn’t the prudent course of action have been to just close the airport? I realize there were failures to update runway status reports, and WA Flight 30 touched down late and a little hot, but after more than one pilot reported braking was “poor to nil,” isn’t that a pretty good indication that tragedy might be imminent?
Well done, Allec. Not only a great presentation, but you manage to present flights with issues I’ve not heard of before. Thank you.
gomphrena -beautiful flower- I was thinking maybe the captain could’ve aborted the landing maybe a go around?
@@Cola64 I was thinking that as well, but he might have been too far down the runway to do it.
Mike Brown maybe he was in ca-hoots with the missing lovers 👫
@@Cola64 had the pilots been informed of the newer and worse braking profile, they probably would have ordered a go-around and possibly requested a different runway. I fully believe the only reason they chose to continue the landing was because they expected the braking ability to be good enough to stop the plane (which was the information they were given).
Like all your videos, this is a very nice presentation. Thank you.
when I think of air crashes in the winter of 82 I think about air Florida Flight 90 (I think it was 90?) that crashed into the Potomac. I didn't realize there had been another one, in the same month!
I remember this. I was an intern working in a Boston office highrise at the time. Monday morning, from the 27th-floor vantage point, you could see the plane off the end of the runway and in the water at the far side of the airport. Many in our office took some time to see and reflect on that very unusual sight. I also remember the confusion about the two missing passengers being in the news at that time. RIP.
Wow ..i did not know about this one ..very interesting ! Always great to watch any of your videos ..EXCELLENT SIR !⭐ High five !💕
Im a flight attendant, this accident makes me want to always be the aft flight attendant instead of the fwd one. Seems the back has the best chance in case of an accident.
I love watching these videos.
Why bother giving braking action reports to the tower if they're just going to sit on them?
Peter Langley (58 ans), du premier officier Donald Hertzfeld (38 ans) et du mécanicien de bord William Rodger (56 ans).
I hadn't heard of this. I guess since it happened around the same time as the Potomac disaster it's no wonder. But still, one report being handed to the right person could have saved two lives and prevented many injuries.
I smiled when I saw the PAL trijet in the background of one of the photos!
That was a sad day here in Boston. Runway 33R is a 10, 000 foot runway. They landed long with icy conditions. It was a drizzly night at the far end of the airport where there is no lighting nearby, so it was pitch black. Also, runways are never sanded because of foreign object damage to engines.
Nice production!👍
The 10 knots higher than required approach speed didn't help matters either.
I kept yelling "airspeed", but nobody listened.
Right. What was up with that auto throttle thingie?
Exactly, I'm curious about that. If the machine is not letting you set your flaps and speed and you have 14,000 hours experience, why allow the machine to stay on?
I was kind of curious about this as well. I'm sure the co-pilot or the flight engineer could have kept an eye on airspeed and adjusted the throttles as needed, taking some workload off the Captain who was flying the plane.
wow...i am dating myself because i recall this incident as i live in the area. was always strange they never recovered the 2 passengers.
The real cause of the accident was that in August 1981 Ronald Reagan fired 11,000 air traffic controllers. This of course is not mentioned in the NTSB report. The people running Logan Airport that night were likely not qualified. The airport should have been closed but was not. Critical information was not passed on to the pilot, e.g a prior flight having a compressor flame out while trying to slow down. Lawsuits went on for 7 years and I understand allocated no blame to the pilot, and all the blame to the Port Authority and controllers.
This is the runway problem, but I always noticed most of the aircraft accidents involve by DC 10 model. How ever the great video and thanks to Allec Joshua...👍
Allec, at first I wasn't sure which crash this was, but quickly remembered, as I lived in the area at the time. I had just had my first baby, and remember the weather that winter wasn't the best. It would be great if you could do Eastern Airlines 375. My Mother was pregnant with me living in Winthrop, and boy was that a messy one, trust me. Thanks for your uploads.❤
Very nice vid, Allec, as always. Thank you :) Lots of errors by everyone. Faulty autothrottle? Fly totally manually. Sounds like they never deployed full flap, too. Airport didn't do right by the pilots in not updating the info, too. And no overrun pit like many places have now. Rest the souls of the dead...
What did you do with the time you saved not typing eo?
Allec great work as always, have you considered Atlas Air flight 3591, the Prime Air plane that went down in Texas? The NTSB recently wrapped up and concluded
It's 3591 lol Easy mistake
Joy Brown There ya go, I fixed it just for you
Great video 😊
The fact that the plane was only 1 year old is sad
Oh....the fact that two persons (in the same family) died I guess is not as sad as 1 year old plane crashing?!?!? 🤦♂️
What do you expect its a DC 10?
@@cupcakefairy87 Why would you say that? Such a good plane ... Scary incidents notwithstanding.
I flew this Airline from Newark to LAX back in the 70s
I flew World Airways a couple of times while in the Navy. Good airline. So tragic this had to happen. Especially when its avoidable
Working at World in Newark - late 70's into early 80's, was an adventure every day. Originally in the now demolished North Terminal - Newark's original, art-deco airport terminal, we stepped out the back door & saw the Twin Towers....like, right there....changing colors during the day. We would've had a horrific view on 9/11.
I flew World Airways in a 747 back in 1983 im still coughing from all the cigarette smoke
Stephen Anthony dont hate I smoked 4 pax marlboro red from JFK to Honolulu 🤙🏻🚬⚰️
Stephen Anthony I think 99% of the population smoked in the 80’s and yes I smoked to ontop of 300+ others on the flight
Stephen Anthony Hate is a strong Word?
@Dane Ta Tua Tonka Harden up mate are you a fairy 🧚♀️?
Stephen Anthony Bro chill
Was living close to Castle Island. We had a huge crowd on the pier, with a clear view of the recovery op.
We all speculated that the two UAFs were part of an insurance scandal. Massholes
Rip to the two people that died
I understand the issue with the autothrottle malfunctioning. Yet this was a very experienced flight crew. If even one of the Air Traffic or Landing controllers would have alerted these Pilots to the issues with the runway landings from several prior flights being poor to nil, Perhaps this flight crew might have had a different solution when it came to landing. It seems as if nobody took responsibility or accountability for the accident.
I was kind of wondering why they couldn't have done a touch and go after realizing they didn't have any brakes, i guess they just kept expecting to get some braking eventually
The problem was the air traffic controllers were inexperienced as this was post-Reagan firing union members.
Hi Joshua, what flight sim do you use ? and it looks kind of old, so why this one?
edit: i dont know much
Need to revise this crash noise as a big splash!
You are still the best video producer.
I was there as a news photographer. Impressive sight to see.
Were you with the globe?
After realizing he had zero braking, why wasn't a go around initiated? I was thinking full power, spoilers retract, flaps retract to takeoff setting, and get the hell out of there.
I really want to see you make some reenactments once 2020 simulator comes out
Yeah, you better buy it.
Man you are kidding me , he not have good computer, so he use FS2004 , oh MFS2020 will be hard
@@andrewilliamcesardossantos1555 It’d be nice to see an upgrade to FSX:SE at least, which has some slightly prettier graphics and boosted performance (DX10 Preview or DX10 Fixer) like cockpit realtime shadows
@@theobserver4214 exemple i‘m have GTX1050 and Intel 5 7300HQ but the MFS2020 not run smooth my computer so I’m recreate using FSX:SE check my channel you will see the air disasters using FSX but 2 the 9/11 video is X-Plane 11
If only the braking action “poor to nil” had been reported. At the first indication of no braking at all, the crew should have executed a go around.
@Allec Joshua Ibay do the Uberlingen mid air collision.
better yet ask for a longer runway or a diffrent air port
Ghostrider71 F-14 - once reverse is selected you’re committed to landing.
Certainly, if the braking action had been correctly reported, they would most likely never have attempted the approach.
...and of course, the extra 10 knots carried, extending the touchdown so much further into the runway is the coup de grace.
Swiss cheese again.
Yes, my thoughts exactly!!
But the pilots didnt request runway conditions either.
Good video guy
I see the recommendations did not require ATC to give more current runway conditions to pilots. In this case that might have saved lives as the pilots knew they were coming in fast and late to hit runway. They might have requested a different runway had they known the one they were using was so slippery.
I remember this day, it was a damp cold drizzly day with temps around 30-33 F It had snowed about an inch or two before the rain and left a thin coat of slippery mush everywhere, the next day went to Jummys Harborside for dinner and tha airplane was right there off 33R total shame should not of happened.
@Dannoga
Was any of the restaurant staff witness to the crash?
Higher approach speed and not updating runway conditions, once again Human Error cost 2 lives !
excellent video, it is interesting the way the cabin was split being under the water
I wonder why they didn't use the throttle manually
What? They didn't cite pilot error? I'm shocked! ***SARCASM*** Thanks for another great video!
why would they?
@@mishmashmedley Because it seems pilots get blamed no matter if the error clearly sat at the feet of someone else, such as structure failure, maintenance failure, or bad company policy.
@@BK-qp8zp never noticed that. people are usually jumping to blame corporate....
@@mishmashmedley Not jumping; it's a trend. But it appears you're jumping to conclusions so this is my last communication with you.
@@BK-qp8zp wtf ignoramus. I didn't say you were jumping to do anything, fool. learn reading comprehension.
Good music.
I was working at Logan that night, and the accident was totally avoidable, there was a complete breakdown on the part of the FAA and the pilot of World Airways flight 30!
I remember seeing this on the news the day after. All I kept thinking was how cold the water looked.
Damage: Substantial
Airframe: Wipeout
The higher approach speed likely didn’t help, but they landed quite a distance down the runway which was probably a bigger factor. When they realized that they weren’t going to stop, couldn’t they have aborted the landing or was it too late already? With all factors considered maybe that was just a bigger risk.
RIP for who has been passed during this flight 😇
One would think pilots would communicate with other pilots regarding unsafe ground conditions !
ice ice baby
Nice Vid From Philippines
What did you do with the time you saved not typing eo?
Fascinating. I know someone who was on this flight. She had to wait months for her baggage...
World airlines was only nonstop from Lax to Bwl in the 80’s!
Great one. I don't understand how two passengers were never found. Sounds very strange
Great video Allec, but perhaps it would have been better to explain the autothrottle issue rather than the cronological flight reports of poor braking. Anyway, that's my opinion. You're the best!
Well done!!!
Friyay happy hour with the crew! Another good one. World was always a bit questionable when I knew crewmembers in the 90's
Nice!😁
It became known as the World Airways water slide in Boston. Unfortunately he landed long of the threshold.
Your sitting in a nice comfy warm seat, happy the flight is over not realising that the plane is taking too long to stop. Suddenly you're in
freezing cold water being thrown about in the dark......
2 people were never found? That's scary...
omg
@Barney Five-0 Did they drift into the marshlands near Giants Stadium!?!?!
So I looked it up, two passengers were never found, it's true, a tragic story. Some think strong currents washed them away, others say they were buried in the mud, horrible!
thanks for posting. horrible.
I still don't really understand why airliners pilots persist in using parts of automation when flying manually. Either they fly manually or they don't. In this particular case it didn't occur to the captain to disconnect the AT in order to have total manual control of the aircraft, which led to land at a higher speed than necessary.
I have been a helicopter pilot for more than 20 years and I flew heavy ones. Some of them were equipped with sophisticated automation systems as well but I have never seen a system prohibiting a pilot action. There were some kinf of "contact actuators" (sorry I don't know the right English word for that) which detected that the pilot was acting on the controls and disconnected (generally temporarily) the automation. In other words the pilots always had authority over the machine. In short, either you rely on the automation or for any reason you take manual control but if you do so, then you have control, never something in between.
Anyway, I don't blame the pilots, I'm just wondering ...
I remember this happening when I was a kid. I just couldn't understanding why they never found those two men. Just a terrible tragedy for their family.
Ice planing in more ways than one...
It's a multi-billion dollar industry. It's sad that many of these disasters happen because people are worried they might lose their job for making the right call.