Catching a Gutter with almost No fall
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- We agree to catch a gutter with almost no fall to solve a flooded sidewalk situation.
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@Gate City Foundation Drainage Thanks for the shout out Shawn! Great video and nice job on the curb core. A little trick is park your truck next to the curb but leave room for the core drill. Lay the drill on a thin piece of plywood (to save it from getting banged up) & put a small bottle jack between the drill and the tire. Use the jack to slowly apply pressure to the drill. So much easier and faster and your knees will thank you. When you decide to upgrade you can buy a setup already made in a jig to do the same thing.
Running that pipe up the downspout was a nice trick to keep that drain opening from spilling out in high flow keeping good head pressure. Nice work!
Hey Trent - do you have a link for that jig? Something tells me we will be coring much more often. I ordered another 4.5" bit and am looking for a backup core drill.
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Here is a link to a drill setup that is basically just a drill press made to mount to the surface you core. Reverse the way the drill mounts on the rack gear so the drill faces away from the mount base. You can do this by taking the rack gear stop screw off the drill mount and then turn the drill around and slide it back on the rack gear then reinstall the stop screw. That's usually what keeps the drill from going to far up the rack gear and falling off. Once this is reversed you can rest the base of the machine against your truck tire to hold it in place while applying force to the crank handle. I would put a piece of 3/4" plywood or aluminum plate between the machine base and the tire. You could also use your power buggy instead of your truck so your not out in the road as much. I've seen these machines range from $250 up to $3000 depending on what you want out of it. This one comes with an 8" coring bit but I'm sure you could find one setup with the sizes you want. For as many jobs as your doing I would go this route vs a homemade job. I've seen guys make a mount for the drill to basically give a bottle jack something to rest on then the jack against the truck tire. If I see any of these ideas I'll send them your way. Hope this helps!
This is the same principal as turning the rack and pinion gear around on a core drilling machine. He just made a much larger frame for the drill to use. This gives you a visual of how he used the tire to counter the drilling pressure.
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use the trencher instead of truck for the backstop or trailer if you have one. you can also use a "pipe clamp" hooked behind curb edge also(best on straight cuts).
which is pretty much a jig :)
Yeah, just what I was gonna say! 🤭😊
Curb looks clean. Seems to be the best way to go
Thank you! Good point Electric...Core and move on vs having to come back.
@@GCFD core ++ it is so much cleaner!
Out of curiosity, what is the ballpark price difference between core and cut through?
I’m an engineer and often think watching your videos you could pass for one as well. Nice solution!
Hey Buckeye I'm a biologist! Thanks for the compliment! - Shawn
@@GCFD I figured when I heard you identify algae! Who else would know that!? 😂
having the curb cored instead of cut open really does make it look a whole lot better and professional, so i would say it is worth the extra time spent on it
Thank you! I agree!
Yes definitely the right way to go cutting the curb is ugly and a cheap way to go, surprised code in Corlina allows it.
So happy to see you guys wearing ear protection. I got Tinnitus(ringing in ears) couple years ago when I was only 27, form being silly and not wearing them. Stuff is no joke.. Great job as always Shawn.
Coring looks 1000 times better by the way.
Yes Chris we try to use as much PPE as possible. I tell the guys "it's for the videos," but they are starting to get used to using it. I also tell them that "this job is not worth messing up your hearing." Seems to put things in perspective.
The velocity of the water coming off that roof down that downspout will overcome the small fall. Also the core looks fabulous.
I agree with it will flow. It just doesn't have mu usual full bubble! 👍
And there is a clean out. All he's gotta do is run that thing everyone once in a while
@@GCFDyeah I hear you. It may not completely empty out in some low spots in the pipe but it will be head and shoulders better than what they had.
I finally got my french drains installed yesterday!! I made em show me it working before they left. Took about five minutes to get the water flowing from the beginning to the cored out curb hole.
Wow nice!
I live in Southern California, all of our residential properties have drainage already installed, and cored into the curb. Keep it up it’s a great professional look
Thank you!
The newer houses do. The older houses don’t have all have drainage issues solved.
I thought it doesn’t rain in Cali?
Thanks for the tip about "fall", that'll be on my radar next time I buy a home.
check out my drainage assessments playlist where I look at potential jobs.
I may also have suggested a small decorative arched bridge on the sidewalk 90 degree off the garage wall and ran a surface pipe under it over into yard, assuming the yard over that way had better pitch away from house/garage/sidewalk. some people would be fine with that and a flowered garden area.
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Maybe more expensive, but a sump and pump would also gather any local runoff in the area since it’s the low point. That would solve any flow rate issues too. Still looks good!
Yes for sure. Now that we have the majority of the water, the customer wants to address repairing the sunken sidewalk and get that sloping away from the house. 👍
@@GCFD it also doesn't help with the thickness of the sod that is above the walkway's grade it creates a dam for the water to collect
@@manorin there was a large tree that created that hump. Great eye for noticing that!
@@GCFD I don't know if this would work but here goes. You could catch the gutter and take it to the middle of the yard with a full bubble. Buy one of those catch basins. Seal the top or put in a clean out. Put the inlet at the bottom ans an outlet at the top. Bury it at the half way point. Then take the outlet at the top to the curb with a full bubble. Would this work?
That additional vertical pipe was nice touch. As homeowner I think I would be pleased even with no fall at all around concrete. As owner said everything is better than no drainage at all. Its better that water is colecting inside of pipe than in yard
Thank you!
Awesome. Informative regarding flow and the bubbles. I’d like to hear more on that. Curb looks great.
Check out some of my other PVC installs for more info!
That is a great idea.... great work around. If you can avoid a sump pump and make it work... it's a winner....
So far this has been working very well for the homeowner. I'm glad we took the job.
Your videos are amazing. Great work. Especially the rain shots were you see the work in action.
Thank you Steve! 👍
Hi from Portugal
That idea of "drilling" the curb was great!
Nice work as always!
Keep the videos coming!
Thank you Luis!
Coring is a nice professional finish and not nearly as noticable as replacing a section of curb! Love it!
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Very neat, clean; perfection ! Yes ,more effort.I tell you again, you do very good work.
Thank you Erwin!
Coreing the kerb adds a touch of class. Well done.
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Like that jackhammer. When using bell end pressure pipe for drain pipe face the bell to the beginning of the trench
Great tip!
Core drilling makes the job look very very neat . So far as fall you only need a 1% minimum grade for a French or rain water drain. You can obtain grade with a line level , string,and two steel rods, 1” per 10’ equals 1% fall. Using a line level the string must be kept very tight, this is the way we lay off foundations for houses. Always use a mechanical level, or a line level for pvc pipe because pvc will bow in the middle and give you a false reading. The small level that you use is for ridged pipe only that does not bow or give in the middle.You should always bed your pipe in to prevent bowing after backfilling. When you leave the job site make sure it is as clean or cleaner than you found it, that speaks volumes about YOU
Great comment Sammy. That’s what we typically don’t install pipe at anywhere near 1%. I want much, much more fall than that for more flow. This allows for subtle changes in how the pipe lays in the trench and keeps the pipe self cleaning. I wouldn’t take on a job where it was so close that a torpedo level couldn’t be trusted.
Good solution. I like bringing the pipe up high to force the water.
When gravity is working against us we need to turn that back around!
I suggest cutting a hole in the garage wall and running the pipe across the front of the garage on the inside. Then cut another hole on the opposite side and dump the water into the drainage channel that is on that left side of the garage.
The left side of the garage is going to be phase 2 of this job. There is a swamp over there.
Curb drill cut looks more processional. Maybe only do it in more upscale neighborhoods.
👍 thank you Mark!
Master of your craft sir good stuff and way to set a standard
Thank yo James! 👍
It’s a charged line if the roof gutter is high then the street it will always flow good job love your work
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2:45 the way the high speed starts made that look like kick back.
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Core drilling the curb may take longer but it makes everything look more professional gives the job a better looking finish
I agree, but man, it took 45 mins to core one yesterday! Whew!
Here in Fountain Valley, CA, we have enough fall to go under the sidewalk and out the curb. I have two curb cores and my neighbors on either side have one each. Used to cost $100 per core. Now $200. They look clean, like they've always been there.
Nice! The rig to core the curb is over $2000 so I can see those prices.
@@GCFD - The contractor I used had a big truck, as he did work for the city. The coring machine was bolted into the curb and was adjustable. Electrically hooked up to the truck. Once set, he just slowly operated a lever that moved the coring bit forward and backward.
@@GSMSfromFV that sounds pretty slick! Our core drill is a pig to operate!
That coring drill is definitely the way to go. You couldn't make a retrofit look better.
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Last resort sump pump, would that have worked? There was no fall in the driveway that you could move the gutter to the left about two feet, it would look a little funky on house but may work, unless even driveway has no fall too. Doesnt look like trees are above the house so maybe that drain will stay clear of leafs. Looks good to me.
We had a little fall to the curb but not my usual full bubble and the driveway was not helping matters any. I think we got a good solution and I've talked to the homeowner. He's very heppy!
That core drill is very nice!
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You are the MASTER! that was working just fine.
Ok, your solution was better then mine. It looked like there was more fall towards the corner of the property, so I figured you’d catch it and run it under the other walk, then down to the corner. Would take 4x the pipe, and what looks like some fall on camera may not exist
Keep in mind that the longer the run the more fall you need. It was lower at the corner but when you do the math it was worse off because of the increased distance. Great Comment! - Shawn
The cored kerb is much more pleasing to the eye. I suppose giving the customers the option is good and they can check out your vids to see the different results you can offer. Happy people all round 😊
👍 Thank you Tracy!
Very clever with the head pressure area, that solves the problem really well with a level pipe and helps with it staying unblocked and flowing well even during storms because it has that extra height, giving it more force and gravity to push through
I thought so too! Thanks for commenting!
I love the coring!! I find myself watching other RUclipsrs and I yell at my phone no not corrugated pipe.
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Sometimes you can take the outfall further down the street to gain a few inches of fall. So your pipe would go diagonally across the front yard. Riser is a great idea... no overflow onto the pathway.
Coring looks really nice.
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The core looks great !!!!
Love the core drill and love the y fitting to keep air in the system. Also they sell a grated thing that will snap inside the extra y fitting. I try to pain the whole thing the same color as the house trim or brown in most cases.
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The core drill is the best way to go although it does take some time. It just looks better than cutting the curb and then patching the cut with concrete.
I agree Alan. We need to come up with a better way to apply pressure to the drill so it cuts faster.
Core cut looks really sharp
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Best drainage guy on RUclips
Thank you! That's quite a compliment since I haven't been on here very long! Thanks for watching! - Shawn
Cored curb looks so much better. The nice thing once the curb is holed your done. No patching no forms no concrete sting the pipe in and done
Great point. Coring takes longer than cutting, but then you're finished once the core is there. 👍
Would be nice if you could get a core drill that would operate off on hydraulic power from your skid steer. With that possibility of less wear and tear on your personal, enjoying ALL of your videos, stay safe and healthy y’all !
Lloyd - We cored a curb last week and used an awesome technique! It was a major improvement and huuuge labor saver. That video is coming up at some point, as I still need rain footage.
Like the head pressure idea. Would sealing the downspout/pvc joint work to create even greater head pressure if this solution did not work ? You are kind to help the customer out even though your criteria weren’t met. Although time consuming and a pia, the curb coring detail makes the job neat,clean and nearly invisible. 👌
I don't think sealing the downspout and pipe is a good idea because I like to have access to the pipe if I ever need it.
Love the cored curb, it’s what I would want for my home
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This video gives me hope that I solve the same issue now on the side of my house. 20 years ago the previous owner put in a system that went to a drywell, but with some of the heavier rains here in WI in the past 10 years, it really needs to be run to daylight instead
You can't go wrong daylighting it as the water is completely gone instead of still needing to be dealt with.
Way to overcome a challenging job with a really well thought out solution.
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I did some gutter drainage at home. Maybe not kosher and to your liking. Its on my channel, I know its funky seems to work.
It sounds like you go it! As long as it works, right?
I think the only long term "problem" might be a section of that pipe holding some water. However with few tress looking to get into any cracks in that PVC i think the worst thing might be a bad smell coming out of the pipe. If that does become an issue a simple backwater valve might be a solution. Easy access if it needs maintenance and should keep any smell from wafting out of the top of that pipe.
Thanks for commenting Ken, We felt the same way!
What about raising the sidewalk coming out of the front door, then step down on the other side of the PVC? Then you could have achieved some fall. And, the coring is the way to go.....looks so clean.
They don't allow for tripping hazards on the front walkway so we were pretty well stuck with that level. Great comment!
Hey Shawn coring is definitely the way to go. Looks the most professional for sure. Nice job and keep up the good work 👍.
Thanks Nick! I have a feeling we will be coring from here out... 👍
after doing the garden hose check, you maybe could of run a "sound" check with one man yelling into the riser while another man listens at the curb.
For sure!
May not have much fall but with the minimal amount it has, plus its collective cubic reservoir capabilities, the water now has somewhere to go and will self- level to the outfall. This system literally acting like a tubular catch basin with a slight angle. Great job with the topography you had to work with!
Thank you Ryan! The homeowner is very excited to not be in a constant battle with the water.
Also consider, that that one downspout drains about 50% of the house and garage which has a BIG surface area (see video from home owner) - that is a lot of water for higher water capacity/volume and force to clear/clean the drain as this compensates the "no slope" pipe run. I think the gutters should be the 5" with bigger down spout for that amount of water. The 20' piping does help too as less connections. Even if it had some tree leaves the higher water volume would clean it out. Over all, I think it will function properly and keep clean, nothing to worry about, but still good to keep your "one bubble" standard.
Thanks for commenting David! So far this homeowner is super happy!
I like how you angled the pipe at the curb in the direction of the water flow. Since you won’t have much velocity on what is coming out of the pipe it will help the water egress from the pipe during heavy rain events! I was thinking that you might go with a metal grate over the pipe instead of new concrete. Great job as always!
We thought about the metal grate but liked the idea of building head pressure if things back up. Great comment!
@@GCFD That makes sense.
I'm a Building Surveyor, but if I was a customer, I'd think the coring was the difference between a Pro and a Do It Yourself job. So much of a drainlayers job is invisible. The coring may cost more to do, but it's very good advertising. You could use the coring as something of a 'loss leader', and price it at cost. I would until it became my signature. Then, once customers expected it, you can price for it accordingly.
I have a feeling we will be coring from now onward. I need to get a second core drill as a backup too!
@@GCFD And take a punt at depreciation on the corers until you've gone for a year.
Always a good day when Shaun puts up a video. Just think of this as making peoples lives better.
Thank you so much coen! I have another video uploading now.. I'm glad you're enjoying them - makes the effort worthwhile.
From a guy who knows nothing about any of this, the core drill is freaking sweet! It looks so so clean.
Thank you! I think we will be using it more and more.
You should consider capping the core pvc with a screen. This prevents animals or debris from clogging pipe. Great work and I appreciate your videos.
Interesting thought! I leave them open so debris can flow out of the pipe. Screen gets clogged up too much and defeats the point of having large diameter pipe.
There is more than one way to skin a cat.
1) The storm drainage could have discharged into a soakaway below the front lawn. What you have excavated appears to be relatively permeable and would therefore have been successful as well as providing a small mitigation to add excess water to the river system that is at threat from climate change.
2) You could have used an ACO drain (a slotted channel) for any length of the footpath and drive that would have provided very shallow invert depths and thus given a decent fall along the length. The outfall of this drain could go to soakaway or to the kerb (not very satisfactory as a drainage solution that I know our UK Highway Engineers would object to). The other advantage of this system would be to help drain the standing water on the paving.
I have used the contained head of water on an industrial complex where the outfall connection was too small for a standard gravity system. The extra head allowed the system to surcharge.
My only concerns with your installation are vermin infestation in the pipework and the cracking of the paving over the drain line.
Great comment Clive! Soakaways don't work here with our high clay soils. Even drywells quickly becoming overwhelmed with rainwater. If we can send the water off the property that is ideal instead of trying to deal with it onsite. We thought about the channel drain across the sidewalk but that wouldn't produce any head pressure to keep the system clean and flowing. We went with the pipe for results over the channel. Wildlife aren't really attracted to the smooth pipe as no debris holds in there and the pipe is white inside. Even a light rain produced enough flow to repel anyone inhabiting the pipe. These are all interesting points to consider when designing a system like this. Thanks for sharing! - Shawn
Good job shawn. The curb looks great. Thanks for including the rain shots That's my favorite part of your videos.
Thanks for watching! I love the rain shots too! They are a pain to obtain, but worth it!
ANOTHER nice job!
Thank you Alan
The coring is a much better finish. I love it when you go back while it's raining.
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Core drill looks great! Keep up the good work.
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There is no "fall issues" because you installed the sealed pipe high enough off the ground. By installing the sealed pipe about 3 feet off of the ground, you allowed the water pressure to be high enough to over come the slope issues. Your city probably has a water tower with the water high off the ground. By having the water so high off the ground, this allows gravity to push the water over obstacles with ease. The higher the water is stored the more force it has to easily push the water over obstacles.
I would have used the term "slope" rather than "fall". After watching basically all of your videos I am thinking of putting underground drains in my back yard (has a very nice decline). I need to add a gutter to the side of my house. One problem is that 2 neighbors properties are slightly uphill from my back yard and water drains under their fences onto my yard. I think I would need a 25 foot long L shaper French drain.
Yes, you can call it slope or fall or pitch. It sounds like a FD will work well for your non-point water.
need to add the word Solutions to your company name. at Gate City Foundations Drainage Solutions, we make water, FALL!
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Core drills are awesome 👌
Man I was thinking before you said it - that corer sure does "give you the fizz". Thanks for the videos - oddly entertaining to watch.
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This would be a perfect application to use a 3 inch pipe instead. Not enough water going through the pipe to really need a 4 inch pipe and the extra inch of fall would be really beneficial.
We use 4" mainly for debris and not so much for water. Every time I use a 3" pipe I end up wishing I had a 4" for extra capacity so we stick with 4" Great comment!
Your way works and the job is done. I would have put a trench drain with a galvanized grate across the sidewalk which would eliminate the thickness of any concrete above the pipe (and also serve as built-in cleanout access). I like the core, aesthetically, as a customer but not sure it's that much better that it's worth the effort. I really like the idea of form cutting the discharge end to match the curb contour.
We thought about the grate across the sidewalk but went with the head pressure of a sealed pipe instead. Great comment!
This would be the perfect job for a rotating laser. You could shoot the grade at the curb and the grade at the bottom of the sidewalk, then figure your fall percentage and use the laser to grade the whole ditch, there’s no guesswork involved there. That way you could have set the whole pipe on a consistent grade, rather than having a belly in the pipe. Definitely would be worth getting the laser. Even if you only had a quarter of a percent of fall, that seems like it would be better than having a belly.
I agree but I don't think it would have changed anything with this job. We had a set amount of fall between the two points and got the best we could. Great comment Brian!
the drill cut looks way better but i see how it does take a little longer. i guess it would depend on how quickly you want to finish or how good it needs to look.
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Coring looks nice and clean, as long as the curb is solid enough it seems like the way to go. As far as the pitch on the pipe goes, since you're moving liquids and not semi-solid material like you would in a sewer, it should be fine.
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A nice solution.
The only other possibility I can see would have been a channel drain across the cement to allow for a little more slope at the start, but that would have had the problem of possible back flooding in heavy rain.
This seems to be the best overall solution.
And the core drilling looks better. If you work out time mixing, pouring and cleaning up after concreting, you will probably come out ahead time wise.
Great comment Brenda! Thanks for watching! - Shawn
Using a channel drain would have acheive the highest point at the downspout. Not only can you catch the downspout on the end but you can catch other water as well.
We thought about that but a channel wouldn't let us use the head pressure to blow out any standing water or debris. Both worth considering.
Core drilling gives the job a finished professional appearance.
Agreed. It's a huge pain though!
they look at me funny when I install 4x6" downspouts on 4" gutter and run the pitch as steep as I can get, but they clog less easily, only issue is they're a superhighway for chipmunks squirrels.
little suckers keep getting up into the gutters via the downspouts lol
You get chipmunks in white PVC pipe?
@@GCFD yeah, they go right up the pipe, up aluminum downspout into the gutters, which have hinged aluminum gutter guards.
the squirrels do the same thing, except they'll knock the gutter guards open! dang rodents.
The riser pipe is a clever way to get the energy needed to get water flowing where you want it to go.
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Changing the gutter downspout location to the other side of the driveway might have been another option. Keep up the great work (and videos)!
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Eve ryone's talking about the curb! I jsut wanted to say: thanks for sharing the moss with us :) I always love seeing the details that so many of us miss because we don't know to look for them!
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I liked the core drill.
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Martin here from the UK i love your vids and i do think coring the curb is better and it looks neater, keep up the good work i look forward to your vids.
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Looks great, Shawn!
Thank you for uploading
Thanks Xavier!
Curb Core looks great!
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One idea I had was to raise the sidewalk between the porch and the garage and then step down, but that's not ideal either having a step right by the garage.
I was wondering if you were going to put in a cleanout, good job making it possible to maintain this since the lack of fall is going to prevent the water from flushing out debris.
I think the head pressure that gets created will flush out any debris, but the cleanout was a must! The homeowner says he'll blast it out every so often too.
Great work and video. How about an equipment, tool and truck tour. Would be interesting to see the tools of the drainage trade!
I've been asked that a few times. You don't think it would come across as showing off? Keep in mind that I'm not shy about buying equipment to save our backs, so I have a lot of it.
I like the way you go back after the job has been completed ✅
It's my favorite part!
The core opening really makes it look nice. I was guessing you were going to put a strip drain across the sidewalk with a pipe opening on the other end for the down spout to get the highest starting point. this seems to have worked well!
Thank you Paul!
NIce Chevy Impala SS in the garage. About a 1964.
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I would suggest that when u core the curb u aim it at a angle so the water exits at a angle towards downhill so there's no chance water rushing down the street can flow into ur pipe and it makes the transition from ur dranage system to the street flow more streamline. on that video of the 3 pipes to the curb it came out at a 90 degree and when it hit the water flowing down the street it made big rapids. coming at a angle could also help with pushing debris away from ur outfall
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In my local area it is a requirement to use RHS steel (Rectangular Hollow Section) steel for the curb/kerb section as it is much stronger.
Interesting Thanks for sharing!
Core drill is the way to go in my opinion, great job!
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What I like about this Gate City makes money shooting videos too ,I enjoy the videos keep up the good work !! With PVC you can have little fall and be just fine .
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You are part of the reason i started my own style like these, videos!
Awesome!
@@GCFD less about French drains, and more about failed drainage systems and poor construction work. It’s LilCFR from a minute ago just a new name.
@@Landofmagic678 oh you’re lilcfr?
@@GCFD yep!
@@GCFD you can go back to my old comments abs see the name changed
I thought as long as the gutter is above the street line then water can flow up hill to the road. The pipes just always have water in them and use the height and gravity to push it out
Water doesn't flow up hill except in certain circumstances.