@@dottykarma5823 I have spent too much time just waiting for that game to load. Pretty sure I had 3* that game’s base storage capacity with a wh40k conversion mod
Bots in games are some of the most fascinating things. Many games have subpar bots that are only slightly more skilled than a new player, or in the case of strategy games, the AI just gets insane bonuses on higher difficulties instead of being smarter. The trick in many games is to make bots human like. A bot that can hardly play the game isn't hard nor is making a bot that easily beats all humans (As the bot masses of TF2 indicate). But neither of those are good. A bot needs to be able to provide challenge while avoiding it becoming unstoppable machine. It needs to understand the basics of strategy, while not being overly predictable as it follows it's rules. I hope one day to see bots that pass a video game Turing test, assuming it doesn't lead to a dystopian sci fi world.
"or in the case of strategy games, the AI just gets insane bonuses on higher difficulties instead of being smarter" And that is why I love Civ and Total War games and still get easily bored with usually a single campaing. The begging is pretty hardy on higher difficulties, as one would expect, but if I get to mid-late game alive it gets easy as hell, because the AI still dumb as fuck.
As soon as I heard 2042 was going to have bot support, I knew you'd be all over it. But Mr. Phillip might I also recommend Insurgency Sandstorm for your bot enjoyment. That game has a whole section of the community who only plays the PvE/Bot modes. It's quite fun and the devs sometimes add silly Bot modes(exploding bots, knife only bots etc). Great fun.
the freaking bot on ISMC-Karmakrut is hell, they can even call in support multiple time, yead those certainly gave me a heart attack when they call in helicoper support
I actually really enjoy battlefield 5 and on Xbox it’s the only battlefield game still running, nobody plays the other ones and the gameplay is actually pretty good, except snipers, I hate snipers, but the graphics are beautiful and it’s smooth but I see why some people dislike it
I think I already said it under another one of your videos about bots but when I was younger I used to play a lot on empty servers in BF3 because I was frustrated that online matches didn't allow me to sneak around like James Bond and take people down with a silenced pistol or whatever other RP thing I wanted to do, so I played on empty servers instead and killed tons of imaginary villains in many creative ways, saving the world on many occasions. Limiting gameplay to competitive multiplayer in an otherwise very open / sandbox-y game tends to kill tons of possibilities and mechanics that are already there, waiting to be explored, simply because they aren't optimal for winning the match.
I absolutely used to do the exact same thing in CS 1.6, playing cs_militia, getting the suppressed pistol, sneaking through the undertunnel and getting in and rescuing the hostages like some super-agent Great fun
I remember playing Battlefield 2 with 4 friends in my tiny room. They all brought their laptops and pcs and we used the mod that you mentioned in this video to bump up the bot amount and use bigger maps. We only had one game disc though and (like you said) the mod made the game crash every 30 minutes or so on somebody's pc. So we all had to restart the game and the mod and that meant, taking turns on using the single BF2 disc we had to boot it up. Good times. When it worked though, this was one of the best Battlefield experiences I ever had. I remember getting into the heli in the middle of the map "Zatar Wetlands", flying straight up into the air and seeing an army of bots spread out in front of me, running across the open field towards the hill. It looked like a movie to me but we were the protagonists. Thanks for bringing this memory back Philip!
@@swatz3202 bruh are you really that dumb? you couldve just started your own career and get organic traffic, but you decided to shit on your image so now your channel is crap to the audience
As an Aussie its the norm for most multiplayer games to have empty regional servers or extreme lag on overseas servers. I've started playing Enlisted for the bot squads you can switch between. This new Battlefield will hopefully have both local servers, a decent playerbase, and bots to reduce waiting times
100% this, when ever I see a game that is multiplayer only or battle-royal, I just lose complete interest, not because I dislike multiplayer or BR, but because I know in under a week maybe a moth all the aussie servers will be dead and thus the game will be left with only SP options, so if it doesn't have bots or a compelling way to play single player. not interested.
@@XKCDism As an Aussie I've got to say you're completely exaggerating how quick it takes games to lose population here. For example, still going strong in Mordhau with a bunch of servers even after three years. Definitely not a couple weeks
@Sol the Gamer fair I am being hyperbolic, not all games die so quick as few weeks, but Mordhau is very popular and relatively new at three years old. compare that to the lack of any rush servers in BF1, the game advertises heaps of game modes but the only populated servers are all conquest and that's on PC. the poor buggers on console don't even have that: ruclips.net/video/dZnjOtiPM7Q/видео.html And the great tragedy of Battlefield: bad company 2 where there are no populated servers and at this point its a dead game in this region. same with call of duty black ops 1. the difference is black ops has bots so you can still play it. and bots would solve a lot of the situations I just described. for at least some people.
I'm just looking for the next generation of bots that uses machine learning to generate a realistic simulation of player behaviour based OH YOU'RE LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE VIDEO RIGHT NOW YES oh but you only talked about it for 20 seconds. as I was saying I'm really looking forward to the day where bots really look human. the key advantage would be that ideally they would display emergent behaviours that would be expressed in all sorts of ways, like you might have a bot that seems to be making its own decisions, even though it would just be imitations of behaviours learned in training data. I'm looking forward to the day where I can team up with bots to achieve complex tasks, not just binary "go here" tasks.
I think the only issue is that AI trained on "general" gameplay will ultimately become better than real players, unless its evolution is forcefully stopped at a point. It's difficult to evaluate how "fun" a bot is.
Reminds me of how TF2 bots make use of a "Virtual Keyboard" to better mimic the style of a human player's movements and reactions in the context of a video game.
Yeah! I think that mainly came with the fact that the Bazooka's were the only primary weapon for the anti-tank class, but yeah the AI would dominate that class for some reason. I always loved getting blown up and seeing my character fly into the air.
bots are the one way i can enjoy insurgency: sandstorm because the pvp is daunting and far too difficult for me as a player. the modes where you fight against ai are actually engaging and fun. i love when a game can actually provide a robust way to not have to play against people and its still just as fun, if not more so.
Idk about sandstorm but 2014 insurgency bots are still really fun to play against and hard, then you have all the modded Servers with bot are brilliant as the bots are really well done
@@craftypup4536 every time i would try to play in multiplayer on 2014 insurgency, servers were either empty or everyone was just a god, so i got most of my hours against bots in that game
@@Unknown_Genius I’m not claiming they are better I was just saying about 2014 insurgency bots as I haven’t played sandstorm that’s why I said idk about them, but for all I care If they aren’t as good I like them
I'm in a better financial position than when I was a kid, so I can afford newer games faster, but I wouldn't trade my time playing the single player demo of Enemy Territory: Quake Wars for anything. For a certain portion of the population, it's a rite of a passage of a sort, and I hope future kids will always have the opportunity to have lonely fun with bots.
I had the exact same story, thing was that I didn't know English at the time too well and I also had no idea that you need internet to play with other people so I assumed that I'm playing with other players and being epic, the bots had believable nicknames I guess.
I'm a 'kid (15)', and my computer has the processing power of a ceiling fan so I can only play old games or games which require little processing power, and so I play pretty much only singleplayer games or old multiplayer games with bots. I don't play modern multiplayer games because they require good framerates (and I'm also not interested). So honestly I've learned to domesticate my bad specs by playing classics instead. Nobody asked but I thought I would share this.
I've dumped 400+ hours into Ravenfield and I still have fun, I mean, my PC struggles playing with 50+ bots, but it's still tons of fun, definitely my best steam purchase since CSGO
Factor in that some weapon mods use PiP while playing with 100, that really kills the performance lol (though many modders are nice enough to add non pip versions)
@@d1psy85 PiP (picture in picture is a technique to simulate a scope by rendering another image in real time but instead, smaller and zoomed in. If you played insurgency/sandstorm/day of infamy, red orchestra 2/rising storm/rising storm 2, call of duty ghost, black Mesa, then you’ll know. Some people call it.’dual rendering’ but I think that’s more like for how magnified scopes work in examples such asBattlefield 4 (and above) and Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2019 (and above) where the point is center while the model around bounces around.
@@Ian.Murray Only with bots? But in fact I just made up a number, upon further inspection it's exactly: 1962.9 hours Most of it is idle or spectating. And I am fully aware of the wasted time, I've been doing it since WC3 on Garena.
I have hundreds of hours in that game and I never even tried the multiplayer until years later, it sucked and I went right back to playing against bots, way more fun :D.
Dude, the flashbacks I just had... I played so much BF 1942 and BF2 with bots! So much fun... sometimes because of the internet, sometimes because I just enjoyed the bot experience as you put it. Thanks for the memory trip.
That "How dare those people tell us how we're meant to enjoying the game" is so well said. I dream to have bot support for other games such as Hunt Showdown, RS2 et.
second ayy lmao yeah, this video hit me really hard. I used to LOVE playing against bots in multiplayer games simply for a more sandbox-like experience but it seems like that's just not a thing people want anymore, and it's a shame. AFAIK Call of Duty is the only major modern AAA series left with real botmatch support and it's missing for ground war & warzone. Really hoping that BF2042 brings it back in full, not just for small 8v8 maps like BF2.
@@idk2865 I mean when JackFrags says it I sure well hope he is correct in relaying the information he has been given, like many others. And that we indeed get great bot support. They also already showcased their engine by letting AI "play it". BF2042 well be the most "futuristic" game in that sense of pvp/pvai
Well said! Bots deserve some love. I have amazing memories facing armies of them with a friend. After some time, we would actually see bots kind of as 'real people'. Because we played against them over and over again, we started to give them personalities and traits - a mechanism that don't happen much against real players, because you rarely play with them more than a couple of hours in a row before you or they leave the server. In a way, there can be more feelings in a bot game than in an online game -if you see what I mean.
yeahh great times, I remember doing that in this game called flatout 2 ( not a fps though ) it's always the same bunch of guys who'd race against you with the same nicknames and throughout the game I've given them imaginary personalities based on how each one drives ( like that dude "ray carter" who would always lag behind... )
Good lord, you reminded me of my Black Ops 2 days, day after day playing bot only multiplayer, just to mess around with killstreaks and such, good times, can't even imagine how cool it'll be to do that in my favourite franchise
You explain 100% of the reasons why I like to play with bots more than actual humans. I am tired of the constant tryharding people. I do also like to just mow down enemies in style without having to be afraid of some idiot teammate or try harder trying to mess up what you are wanting to do. I am with you man, I am happy they implemented it again.
I'm visually impaired so multi-player is an absolute nightmare for me. I just don't have the visual acuity to allow me to be decent. But games with bot support allow me to tailor matches to my skill level and have a good time. I'm looking forward to coming home from work to de-stress and play some matches. Truly excited about this!
I’d like to correct you, yes Rising Storm 2 DOES contain bot support however you have to access it through the command console. It’s a little unintuitive but it doesn’t outright not support playing against bots.
Adding bots to *FPS* is like adding extra *RTS* game inside of what you are making already. Try convising your manager that you need to spend extra half a year on it.
Excellent commentary! I feel exactly the same as you do regarding single player bot support. FUN is the Only Reason I play. That is why I prefer bots. Been playing since 1942. Thank you sir for your stream. You are spot on! /cheers
I remember I played Battlefront 2 for my PS2 for hours and hours straight, and I had only found out the game had multiplayer support after playing for 2 years. The game was already incredibly fun with only bots, and still remained fairly challenging throughout.
@@ScrambledNotEggs and Battlefield 1 is near death. It’s servers have very niche groups and small player counts. I’m happy that the issue of the Battlefield franchise being only sustained by it’s player base is being dealt with, in favor of it having some stability after it’s population dwindled. That was the problem with Battlefield 1.
i understand the sentiment, and have spent countless hours in several games playing with and against bots myself, and am fond of those times. i'm happy about the news about BF 2042. Yet over the years, the predictability of those matches regardless of difficulty selected, made them feel stale. actually managing a flank on an outpost, sneaking up behind alert, thinking players and having one of those "hero" moments in an actual multiplayer match feels infinitely more rewarding, albeit of course much, much rarer. i haven't looked back since overcoming the initial anxiety and stress of an actual online match. it's easy for the average player to get distracted by content found online, crazy trailers and compilations of killstreaks and stuff and ending up frustrated when their average game doesn't feature moments like that. but on the rare occasion it does, it's exhilarating. No bot match can come close. still, of course, the bots being available is a very good thing.
I love hearing your perspective on things. More often than not I find my own thoughts aligning exactly with yours in the majority of your videos. This one, however, does not. The thought of playing against bots never even crosses my mind, I don't even hold an opinion about how I would feel playing against bots. I might like it, I'm not sure. But to hear you speak so fondly about playing against is bots so fascinating to me! I'm glad someone in dice has recognised that you're not alone! Thank you for the great video, your work is always stellar.
One of my favorite video of yours! i remember swimming to the enemy boat in Battlefield 1942 for a long time and infiltrate-spawnkill the bots, i felt like a spy, best childhood game
Seeing bots be advertised as a feature in both Halo Infinite and Battlefield 2042 makes me so damn excited, especially since both are planning on using bots to fill in vacant spots in a match/server. With Halo Infinite, it's also a damn near necessity because it's one of the few remaining Arena-style shooters left on the market and bots make it easier for anyone to join on top of Infinite's MP already being F2P. And with Battlefield 2042, it means that I get to have another game where I can just unwind and act out fun fantasies or just do stupid fun stuff like trying to not fire a single bullet. I really hope that both of them doing this means that more and more games start including bots, even basic ones, for the sake of those of us who prefer PvE over PvP.
You express exactly what I feel. For me, it was the most fun when around 10% of all players were real and all other were bots. Because then you were the hero, you felt great all the time, but nonetheless you had always the thrill your enemy could be a real player. I stopped playing battlefield when bot support was gone. It bored me to die all the time. Also the scalability was great, I could decide how full the battlefield should be and there was always action everywhere when I wanted it to.
Honestly when you started talking about bots I was instantly like those people you mentioned. Bots isn't how you play the game, what's fun about having easy to kill enemies. But I kept listening and I remember as a kid playing bo2 knife only bot lobbies, getting the best killstreaks that I couldn't easily get in normal multiplayer. It was extremely fun, although getting those streaks in normal multiplayer was more rewarding to me. I do get what you mean, so I'm happy for the people that play with bots that they got what they wanted.
same. I mainly play games as a way to wind-down and chill, take a break and check out from reality. Ever since I was little I've played games like the original Battlefront I & II, which was all bots, and that was my way of decompressing from the stresses of school and stuff. But now a-days, you can't have fun/chill experiences in games because everyone is being such a-holes. I could play a game like Fortnite for literally 2 hours, not win a single match, get maybe 5-10 kills total, get danced on by toxic toddlers, and probably hate being alive even more than I did before. To me, that's not fun. Gaming to me was always an introverted escape and a way to relax, but modern gaming is not relaxing when real life people are trying their hardest to ruin your day for their own personal gain. I just want to play a chill match against bots that fight fair, I don't care about competition or ranking up or leaderboards, I'm just trying to have a good time. Bots are ALWAYS a fun time, and the fact that they allow games with small player-basses to survive long-term, it's a no-brainer. Having bots as an option to play against in PRIVATE lobbies can only improve the games their in, and it doesn't take away from those who want to crush the souls of their neighbors in Multiplayer. We can have both. Bots all the way.
i share the same sentiment. lately i've been into loading up instant action in Star Wars Battlefront 2 (2005) and just playing against bots in large-scale battles. it's great fun
3:29 This is one of the most reasonable things I've ever heard about games. Not even kidding! I think the same. Games are supposed to be fun, to cool down the stress we already won from the day, not another stressful experience to the point make some people straight up, curse/scream, break things up, make the game/community toxic. And not gonna lie, I already did some of that stuff when I raged in a game! Like break things and curse/scream. That is why I prefer off-line/pve games, to have fun, instead of compete to see if I'm better than someone else, for me, that is one of the most selfish feelings someone could have while playing a game. You don't need to be better than someone, you don't need to get mad when someone is better than you. But games nowadays tries as hard as they can to show you that you are, somewhat, "inferior" to the other, just because you lost. I do understand that people like these kind of competition and think it is fun! And I don't want to take that away from them, no! But I do appreciate when a game doesn't force us to play like our (REAL) lives depends on it. You know what? I do like Rising Storm 2 for example, I like Hell Let Loose, and even though they have some issues, those games are not focused on competition, they are not focused to see "who is the best", you? Or that random dude with anime pic on their emblem/profile (sorry, no hate if you do that, just a little joke!) ? These games are focused in cooperation, to help your team, and you can see that in those cases it even makes pvp enjoyable to players who like offline/pve games as well! Ofc... If you play on daily basis ANY game can be stressfull. For example? Play Gta V EVERY SINGLE DAY, you will start to find things to complain, like bugs, stutterings, failing some missions. Even on RS2 or HLL I found things to complain! So moderation is the key to ANY game, pvp or pve! So with that being said, it's very good and helpful when the DEVs add a real pve mode (not like those temporary events), for their games, so people can switch from mode to mode.
I honestly couldn't agree more. I'm a pretty skilled player, not the best, but I still prefer bots every day of the week over versing other players. I played the hell out of the battlefield and COD campaigns because it had bots and therefore I could enjoy the game in ways the video listed that you just can't do as much in PVP. I've been playing Rainbow 6: Siege for a little while and have racked up around 600 hours on it, half of which have been in PVP and the other half have been on my own in Training Grounds. (The player vs bot game mode) I'm a really good player at this game but it's so much more fun when I can fight 30 bots at once that absolutely suck than 5 v 5 players, exchanging kills between the 10 of us. I have over 80 hrs on CS:GO and CS: Source combined but not once have I gone into a lobby with other players. That's just how much I enjoy fighting bots. The reason I mention Source is that I enjoy it more than the refined and cleaner CS:GO because it lets you customize the match and the bots a bit more. You can choose how many are on your team and the enemy team as well as the match time and what type of guns they use. This is something I believe is VERY important for games with bots, when you play with bots you're almost certainly either by yourself or a small group of friends and therefore have agreed that some rules or limitations should be implemented like the skill level of the bots, the number of bots, the stuff they can use and so on. I hope there is an option for this type of stuff in the new Battlefield but just the fact that there will be bot lobbies alone for players is amazing.
Despite how much I love the setting, I was going to avoid the game due to a lack of campaign, or at least wait for a massive sale. When I discovered the game surprisingly has bot support, especially with the way the industry has been heading for quite some time, my mind was blown and I'll now be picking it up on day one. If Halo Infinite were to have bots, my next few years would be taken care of.
In Insurgency, my favourite game mods were PvE ones. Where you and your squad fought with hoards of bots in various game mods, it was fun, and bots sniping people with RPGs is one of my best memories from this game
Thank you, I love multiplayer games with bots so much. Probably stemmed from playing SW: Battlefront 1 and 2 so much as a kid. I recently got WW1 shooter Tannenberg which has great bot support.
I'm amazed to hear that, i remember spending soo much time playing against bots in BF:Vietnam, 1942 and BF2 on my shitty old PC, those games were soooo damn nice. I just really love bots in games cause they let me enjoy the game a lot more casually, i agree with you a lot on this video for that reason, it's not that i hate online games but majority of them are too sweaty for my usually casual mood. There are many reasons for me to love it, starting with how I can play in any way that I want without having the issue of facing against some guy who plays the same game all day, using the best guns and best loadouts to destroy everybody's fun as they sweat hard in a random ass game. There's also the big reason you mentioned, if the game has no players, you simply can't play the game to the fullest, i don't know how large the bot support will be for the game but I'd imagine it'll be considerably large, I can see this being amazing for casuals, like people who just don't wanna play "that map" which every other player wants to play 24/7. Not to mention with bots, you can avoid those toxic kids who will shout at you on mic or type slurs on in-game chat if you take the plane but don't do so well with it because you're experimenting. Overall great news and i hope it'll be good and something they continue to do, pretty cool to hear that I'm not so alone in being quite happy about bots in Battlefield.
Since the source code of Battlefield 2042 has already leaked, there won't be a shortage of bots to play against even if they didn't add bot support themselves :P
Playing video games usually feels like seeing through the matrix for me, so multiplayer is the only way to make myself feel engaged. I honestly can't believe you can keep the illusion up with bots, that's impressive.
I kinda like how the original Star Wars Battlefront games made it a mix between large scale bot warfare and the real player action. The warfare in that game always had galactic scale to it
I love playing against bots. Way more chill and fun and less stressful than playing against a bunch of sweaty people online who play the game 24/7 and nothing else.
Vietnam had great bots, though I've always felt DICE just abandoned the game as it never got any content support beyond Redux, which was just a repackaging. (Though I guess 2142 only got Northern Strike)
I understand you completely, me and my brother played cod ghosts with primarily bots, that has been the most enjoyable thing ive ever experienced in gaming, no matter what game mode, or difficulty it was me and my brother, split screen, following a guy with [BOT] in their name, truly happier days
Oh my god for the love of god I am so glad you made this video, I thought I was the only one who thought this way. And now I can also send it to friends instead of trying articulate it myself every time.
I love BF1942. Got my cousin to try it over lan with me against the bots and he loves it now aswell. Its a she that having actual fun is progressovely machined out of games like these everything has to be competitive everything has to be pvp.....PvP will never be as fun as messing around with bots.....messing with them in Counter Strike gave birth to Left 4 Dead btw....there is just so much value in bots that all "multiplayer" games should have them.
i have fond memories of playing black ops 1 with bots, for the exact reasons you describe in the video. i loved being able to roleplay as a soldier, creeping around corners and holding angles that would just get me killed in multiplayer. sometimes i just liked going on an absolute rampage and dominating the entire lobby 60 kills for 0 deaths. i liked using different weapons that you wouldn't really get away with using against other players. i liked camping in one part of the map sniping one enemy after the other. i really miss this part of gaming and i don't think we'll ever experience it to the same level again.
I feel like multiplayer games have a weakness, its that it doesnt satisfy everyone, as one team wins and the other loses, and let me tell you its mostly not fun to lose, especially when you die so many times and are out of the action for balancing purposes for some time. But against bots, everyone gets happy as they win and have more action as they die less, and almost always win vs bots, while the losing team is composed of bots, so it doesnt matter, and it feels like a better time than in multiplayer. And this is a good thing no matter how skilled you are at the game, as you can up the difficulty to make it more challenging. About balance, it really doesnt have to exist vs bots, as it only matters if the enemies are fair, so you can get lower death times or none at all, have more fun stuff that would be broken in multiplayer, anything that gives more fun can be enabled. I just hope that future games take this into account, as i think coop/singleplayer vs ai games are the best games you can make in terms of fun.
In battlefield games I rarely get frustrated when loosing. Even if we get decimated and they come to our spawn. It becomes a challenge. How many of them can I take with me? How much longer can I make it last? It’s what makes multiplayer bf for me. It’s about being relentless. And you can’t have that against bots. Killing bots will never be rewarding.
@@xxxDrOctopusxxx Interesting view, ngl. Never thought about that, thank you for sharing! Maybe i wont feel so bad when losing in multiplayer if i have that mindset!
I disagree personally, all games I've played against bots are boring stompfests. War thunder and enlisted come to mind, very different games, one being a tank sim and one being an FPS. In both these games playing against bots is beyond easy and just makes me bored, you don't have to employ any skill or strategy to win and it ruins atmosphere. pvp Is fun for me because you don't always smash the other team, that desperate defense on the final objective on BF1, knowing your gonna lose but determined to take down as many enemies as you can is a thrilling experience, much more thrilling than mindlessly stomping the enemy team and constantly winning. I hope bots don't interfere too much with multiplayer and remove any semblance of difficulty and strategy. An option to disable bots would be good imo, fair play if you wanna just play PVE but I don't and don't want it to interfere with my games.
Bot lobbies are going to slap harder than a russian. I play Call of Duty for frags and going after killstreaks, Battlefield is about spectacle to me. Being able to load up 127 bots and create fake battles and play around with ai will be so fun. Now all I need is the main theme to drop for the game, the snippet in the trailer sounds really good.
I really think you'll love Angels Fall First. It has fantastic bot support and is basically like an upgraded old-school SW: Battlefront 2 if you could pilot the capital ships.
2kliksphilip: BF2 isnt a timeless classic because it didnt have good bot support. Well Phillip, youre wrong. Sorry that you missed out on one of the best games in the series and thus had a less enjoyable childhood
The theme of Battlefield 1942 never gets old. The game that made me interested in the Pacific War, of which I knew nothing of as a little frenchman (only Pearl Harbor, Iroshima and Nagasaki) and made me discover my second most favorite aircraft : the Douglas SBD Dauntless. I can't remember how many hours I played on Midway, Wake Island and Iwo Jima. There was also a really cool mod called "Desert Combat" which turned the game in the Gulf War, where I found my most favorite aircraft, the A-10. Those memories...
Oh man i remmember using that mod to enlarge the number of bots in battlefield 2 , I remmember trying to do 100v100 or some crazy nubmer like that and having single digit fps and than crashing .Man like a bullet of nostalgia to my brain when you said you tryed using the same mod. Thanks for the video , have a wonderful day
Wonderful! I actually made a comment about exactly this. I said it was fine that the game didn't have a singleplayer CAMPAIGN, but there had to be a singleplayer option through the use of bots. Glad to see they went that route! Man, so far it feels like they're getting everything right.
As a huge battlefield 2 fan, and i even own the original CD, the game pretty much died and servers don't exist, playing with bots is all i've been doing when i felt like playing that part of my childhood again. Hearing about bots in 2042 got me quite excited
I love red orchestra 2 to the bone and quite like the unfairness of the multiplayer it does gives me the feeling of the horror that war is and I would love more content of it here on RUclips and you are the man for that work
There were a couple of medal of honor PSP games, and both of them had a reasonable level of bot support which allowed me to continue enjoying multiplayer long after the official online network for them was shut down. It was during a time where I was unable to use my PC as I was stuck in bed or in hospital constantly, so I really appreciated being able to just chill and have a fun time trying to beat my records for most kills without dying, or most kills with a bad weapon. Such an obscure game that didnt really HAVE to have multiplayer, but it did and im immensely grateful to the devs who bothered to code it.
I completely agree with your statement about being able to have this grand power fantasy against bots. It definitely takes the game's high skill ceiling and drops it immensely and makes it so much more enjoyable. I always used to load of BF2 or even Counter-Strike CZ and go into a match with a friend or two against bots. Like us VS the world. 2v16 or even greater. Not only did it lend itself to really enjoyable meat grinder gameplay, but it even gave some more challenge to the game and kept things interesting, we were able to experiment and see what sorts of strategies would work well against the bots. Actually on this youtube channel of mine, we actually grinded out 100 rounds of CS:CZ in a 2v16 before actually winning, and every round was fun considering we had nothing more to blame but ourselves when our plans didn't work out. IIRC we won by buying riot shields and having the other in the back with a machine gun to mow down enemies. It was truly fun times, and lends itself greatly to fun times with friends, especially when you don't have many friends who play the game. Safe to say I am excited to do 2v126 matches with some friends. This was easily the best news of BF2042 for me.
Whenever I remember bots I just remembered my childhood. I could never afford genuine copies of games back then so I pirated them, most of the time I was only able to play against bots. The entire Refractor engine lineup of Battlefield games hold a very special place in my heart, especially Battlefield Vietnam. Also that one CoD 4 mod that adds bots into multiplayer.
Turning the Battlefield series my premier singleplayer childhood experience was my introduction to mods. Turns out there were plenty of people like us who wanted the premier BF experience offline. Sorry to hear Philips didn’t get it working in BF2, but the Allied Intent* (AI) and AI eXtended (AIX) mods which were singleplayer and AI focused massive mods (new Maps, Weapons, Wehicles, the works!) kept BF2 relevant to me all the way through 2010.
I never thought Ravenfield of all things would get mentioned on this channel.
Such a good game though with fantastic mod support.
@@dottykarma5823 agreed. Its such an easy game to pick up when ya have a little bit of time on your hands
@@dottykarma5823 I have spent too much time just waiting for that game to load.
Pretty sure I had 3* that game’s base storage capacity with a wh40k conversion mod
@@kilroy7506 i love that mod but jeez it takes a lot of load time lol
@@dottykarma5823 I just wish it had co-op
Bots in battlefield? But there is only one kliksphilip to play the game!
Ouch that must have hurt
@@swatz3202 shut up man
@@swatz3202 we don't
meany >:(
@@swatz3202 no thanks
Bots in games are some of the most fascinating things. Many games have subpar bots that are only slightly more skilled than a new player, or in the case of strategy games, the AI just gets insane bonuses on higher difficulties instead of being smarter. The trick in many games is to make bots human like. A bot that can hardly play the game isn't hard nor is making a bot that easily beats all humans (As the bot masses of TF2 indicate). But neither of those are good. A bot needs to be able to provide challenge while avoiding it becoming unstoppable machine. It needs to understand the basics of strategy, while not being overly predictable as it follows it's rules. I hope one day to see bots that pass a video game Turing test, assuming it doesn't lead to a dystopian sci fi world.
Even now in 2021, the best bots I've ever encountered were the HECU marines in Half-Life 1.
They probably gonna use the same Ai tech like the recent Battlefront 2
"or in the case of strategy games, the AI just gets insane bonuses on higher difficulties instead of being smarter"
And that is why I love Civ and Total War games and still get easily bored with usually a single campaing. The begging is pretty hardy on higher difficulties, as one would expect, but if I get to mid-late game alive it gets easy as hell, because the AI still dumb as fuck.
Enlisted shows this amazingly
It won't be video game bots that lead to a dystopian world but they'll definitely be in it
As soon as I heard 2042 was going to have bot support, I knew you'd be all over it. But Mr. Phillip might I also recommend Insurgency Sandstorm for your bot enjoyment. That game has a whole section of the community who only plays the PvE/Bot modes. It's quite fun and the devs sometimes add silly Bot modes(exploding bots, knife only bots etc). Great fun.
Why did nobody tell me, I loved the first game but didn't check out the newer one precisely because the first one didn't have good bots
Yes Sandstorm is goated!
the freaking bot on ISMC-Karmakrut is hell, they can even call in support multiple time, yead those certainly gave me a heart attack when they call in helicoper support
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bought it like a week ago, its very fun
They retired local servers during battlefield 5. So with 200 ping, I'm hoping the bots are good.
Damn for real ? That game got trashed very quickly by Dice , I'm not that surprised tho
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@@swatz3202 Go bother someone else you trite, spamming asshole.
@@swatz3202 man don't advertise ur stuff here
I actually really enjoy battlefield 5 and on Xbox it’s the only battlefield game still running, nobody plays the other ones and the gameplay is actually pretty good, except snipers, I hate snipers, but the graphics are beautiful and it’s smooth but I see why some people dislike it
Flashbacks to BF 1942 & BF2 good times played against bots when there was no internet over & over
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too bad fb2042 the bots will be handled by EA servers...
Bots was the only good change they made for BF2042, the other changes seem to just getting closer and closer to COD
@@xxch1coriaxx we don't even have gameplay yet. Calm down with the accusations
I think I already said it under another one of your videos about bots but when I was younger I used to play a lot on empty servers in BF3 because I was frustrated that online matches didn't allow me to sneak around like James Bond and take people down with a silenced pistol or whatever other RP thing I wanted to do, so I played on empty servers instead and killed tons of imaginary villains in many creative ways, saving the world on many occasions. Limiting gameplay to competitive multiplayer in an otherwise very open / sandbox-y game tends to kill tons of possibilities and mechanics that are already there, waiting to be explored, simply because they aren't optimal for winning the match.
Holy shit I did the same thing. Getting ARMA 2 with its mission creator when I was young gave me hundreds of hours fun.
@@Valiri1 oh yeah the ArmA franchise is amazing for this kind of stuff!
@@Valiri1 War Welcome and When Diplomacy Fails with the Operation Arrowhead missions were always great fun (though I wish, the bots used air vehicles)
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I absolutely used to do the exact same thing in CS 1.6, playing cs_militia, getting the suppressed pistol, sneaking through the undertunnel and getting in and rescuing the hostages like some super-agent
Great fun
Alternative title: Why games *STILL* need bots.
get lost with your clickbait title
@@nanoSam ?
@@dwayne1625 yeah fuck off with the click bait title
@@nanoSam ?
@@nanoSam ?
I remember playing Battlefield 2 with 4 friends in my tiny room. They all brought their laptops and pcs and we used the mod that you mentioned in this video to bump up the bot amount and use bigger maps.
We only had one game disc though and (like you said) the mod made the game crash every 30 minutes or so on somebody's pc. So we all had to restart the game and the mod and that meant, taking turns on using the single BF2 disc we had to boot it up. Good times.
When it worked though, this was one of the best Battlefield experiences I ever had. I remember getting into the heli in the middle of the map "Zatar Wetlands", flying straight up into the air and seeing an army of bots spread out in front of me, running across the open field towards the hill. It looked like a movie to me but we were the protagonists.
Thanks for bringing this memory back Philip!
Phillip is just the kind of guy that would get excited about bots of all things in multiplayer, in a battlefield game no less. Never change
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@@swatz3202 bruh are you really that dumb? you couldve just started your own career and get organic traffic, but you decided to shit on your image so now your channel is crap to the audience
As an Aussie its the norm for most multiplayer games to have empty regional servers or extreme lag on overseas servers. I've started playing Enlisted for the bot squads you can switch between. This new Battlefield will hopefully have both local servers, a decent playerbase, and bots to reduce waiting times
100% this, when ever I see a game that is multiplayer only or battle-royal, I just lose complete interest, not because I dislike multiplayer or BR, but because I know in under a week maybe a moth all the aussie servers will be dead and thus the game will be left with only SP options, so if it doesn't have bots or a compelling way to play single player.
not interested.
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@@XKCDism As an Aussie I've got to say you're completely exaggerating how quick it takes games to lose population here. For example, still going strong in Mordhau with a bunch of servers even after three years. Definitely not a couple weeks
@Sol the Gamer fair I am being hyperbolic, not all games die so quick as few weeks, but Mordhau is very popular and relatively new at three years old.
compare that to the lack of any rush servers in BF1, the game advertises heaps of game modes but the only populated servers are all conquest and that's on PC.
the poor buggers on console don't even have that: ruclips.net/video/dZnjOtiPM7Q/видео.html
And the great tragedy of Battlefield: bad company 2 where there are no populated servers and at this point its a dead game in this region.
same with call of duty black ops 1. the difference is black ops has bots so you can still play it.
and bots would solve a lot of the situations I just described. for at least some people.
I'm just looking for the next generation of bots that uses machine learning to generate a realistic simulation of player behaviour based OH YOU'RE LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE VIDEO RIGHT NOW YES oh but you only talked about it for 20 seconds. as I was saying I'm really looking forward to the day where bots really look human. the key advantage would be that ideally they would display emergent behaviours that would be expressed in all sorts of ways, like you might have a bot that seems to be making its own decisions, even though it would just be imitations of behaviours learned in training data. I'm looking forward to the day where I can team up with bots to achieve complex tasks, not just binary "go here" tasks.
make more Half-Life 7 video DeSinc
@@2kliksphilip for the battlefield 2 you can raise the numbers of bots watch the video on you tube i play with 80 bots
I think the only issue is that AI trained on "general" gameplay will ultimately become better than real players, unless its evolution is forcefully stopped at a point. It's difficult to evaluate how "fun" a bot is.
stfu bots suck
Reminds me of how TF2 bots make use of a "Virtual Keyboard" to better mimic the style of a human player's movements and reactions in the context of a video game.
I remember how the bots loved to spam bazookas at me, even as infantry
And at higher difficulties they were so accurate! I’d get so mad when the bots sniped me with a rocket as I was strolling through El Alamein.
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Yeah! I think that mainly came with the fact that the Bazooka's were the only primary weapon for the anti-tank class, but yeah the AI would dominate that class for some reason. I always loved getting blown up and seeing my character fly into the air.
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bots are the one way i can enjoy insurgency: sandstorm because the pvp is daunting and far too difficult for me as a player. the modes where you fight against ai are actually engaging and fun. i love when a game can actually provide a robust way to not have to play against people and its still just as fun, if not more so.
Yeah sometimes the enemy team is stacked with sweaty people and you can't do anything the whole game.
Idk about sandstorm but 2014 insurgency bots are still really fun to play against and hard, then you have all the modded Servers with bot are brilliant as the bots are really well done
@@craftypup4536 I love 2014 ins bots. I think it's better than the new ones
@@craftypup4536 every time i would try to play in multiplayer on 2014 insurgency, servers were either empty or everyone was just a god, so i got most of my hours against bots in that game
@@Unknown_Genius I’m not claiming they are better I was just saying about 2014 insurgency bots as I haven’t played sandstorm that’s why I said idk about them, but for all I care If they aren’t as good I like them
I'm in a better financial position than when I was a kid, so I can afford newer games faster, but I wouldn't trade my time playing the single player demo of Enemy Territory: Quake Wars for anything. For a certain portion of the population, it's a rite of a passage of a sort, and I hope future kids will always have the opportunity to have lonely fun with bots.
ET series are all solid fun
I had the exact same story, thing was that I didn't know English at the time too well and I also had no idea that you need internet to play with other people so I assumed that I'm playing with other players and being epic, the bots had believable nicknames I guess.
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I'm a 'kid (15)', and my computer has the processing power of a ceiling fan so I can only play old games or games which require little processing power, and so I play pretty much only singleplayer games or old multiplayer games with bots. I don't play modern multiplayer games because they require good framerates (and I'm also not interested). So honestly I've learned to domesticate my bad specs by playing classics instead. Nobody asked but I thought I would share this.
@@peir5074 if you want a GTX 970, DM me.
I've dumped 400+ hours into Ravenfield and I still have fun, I mean, my PC struggles playing with 50+ bots, but it's still tons of fun, definitely my best steam purchase since CSGO
I still play the old Ravenfield demo whenever I don't feel like playing against ppl, especially cs folks
Factor in that some weapon mods use PiP while playing with 100, that really kills the performance lol (though many modders are nice enough to add non pip versions)
What does PiP mean?
@@d1psy85
PiP (picture in picture is a technique to simulate a scope by rendering another image in real time but instead, smaller and zoomed in.
If you played insurgency/sandstorm/day of infamy, red orchestra 2/rising storm/rising storm 2, call of duty ghost, black Mesa, then you’ll know.
Some people call it.’dual rendering’ but I think that’s more like for how magnified scopes work in examples such asBattlefield 4 (and above) and Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2019 (and above) where the point is center while the model around bounces around.
Oh, thanks
I love that their even gonna let you go against an entire army of bots with a few friends as on option 😄 that’s gonna be so epic
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32 players vs 96 bots. Just make it a full on proper game mode with matchmaking etc. I'd eat that up in an instant.
@@MarieAvora that’d be sick 🙂 maybe they could call it last stand or something
Glad to see Ravenfield here.
Seriously this game needs more recognition.
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@@swatz3202 My man stop
@@swatz3202 bruh get a life
I love bots, enjoyed being the ww2 equivalent of Rambo in red orchestra 2. Same with rts games, I just love a relaxing game of bot smashing.
I have 400 hours in Dota 2 and 4 "proper" matches.
And I approve, wholeheartedly, this video.
Edit: it was 1926.9 hours
4 matches and 400 hours? I heard Dota 2 matches were long but man...
@@Ian.Murray Only with bots?
But in fact I just made up a number, upon further inspection it's exactly: 1962.9 hours
Most of it is idle or spectating.
And I am fully aware of the wasted time, I've been doing it since WC3 on Garena.
@@Ian.Murray 9k hours here... The whole point of a game is to have fun wasting time ;-)
@@krazed0451 yes, ignoring the unstoppable passage of time and slowly marching closer to death 😏
I mean Dota 2 bot matches was how Gaben spent a lot of his modern gaming time apparently.
I still have incredibly fond memories of playing Star Wars Battlefront 2 against bots on the ps2 with my brother.
I have hundreds of hours in that game and I never even tried the multiplayer until years later, it sucked and I went right back to playing against bots, way more fun :D.
Dude, the flashbacks I just had... I played so much BF 1942 and BF2 with bots! So much fun... sometimes because of the internet, sometimes because I just enjoyed the bot experience as you put it. Thanks for the memory trip.
also BF 2142
That "How dare those people tell us how we're meant to enjoying the game" is so well said.
I dream to have bot support for other games such as Hunt Showdown, RS2 et.
second ayy lmao
yeah, this video hit me really hard. I used to LOVE playing against bots in multiplayer games simply for a more sandbox-like experience but it seems like that's just not a thing people want anymore, and it's a shame. AFAIK Call of Duty is the only major modern AAA series left with real botmatch support and it's missing for ground war & warzone. Really hoping that BF2042 brings it back in full, not just for small 8v8 maps like BF2.
It has been rumored (dont wanna say confirmed) that you can play with 127 other bots in a server by yourself
@@idk2865 I hope so
@@idk2865 I mean when JackFrags says it I sure well hope he is correct in relaying the information he has been given, like many others. And that we indeed get great bot support. They also already showcased their engine by letting AI "play it". BF2042 well be the most "futuristic" game in that sense of pvp/pvai
I'm definitely with you on this, mate.
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Well said! Bots deserve some love.
I have amazing memories facing armies of them with a friend. After some time, we would actually see bots kind of as 'real people'. Because we played against them over and over again, we started to give them personalities and traits - a mechanism that don't happen much against real players, because you rarely play with them more than a couple of hours in a row before you or they leave the server.
In a way, there can be more feelings in a bot game than in an online game -if you see what I mean.
yeahh great times, I remember doing that in this game called flatout 2 ( not a fps though ) it's always the same bunch of guys who'd race against you with the same nicknames and throughout the game I've given them imaginary personalities based on how each one drives ( like that dude "ray carter" who would always lag behind... )
Good lord, you reminded me of my Black Ops 2 days, day after day playing bot only multiplayer, just to mess around with killstreaks and such, good times, can't even imagine how cool it'll be to do that in my favourite franchise
2kliksphilip the kind of guy who checks the scoreboard when playing against bots, bless him
You explain 100% of the reasons why I like to play with bots more than actual humans. I am tired of the constant tryharding people. I do also like to just mow down enemies in style without having to be afraid of some idiot teammate or try harder trying to mess up what you are wanting to do. I am with you man, I am happy they implemented it again.
I'm visually impaired so multi-player is an absolute nightmare for me. I just don't have the visual acuity to allow me to be decent. But games with bot support allow me to tailor matches to my skill level and have a good time. I'm looking forward to coming home from work to de-stress and play some matches. Truly excited about this!
We used to play BF1942 at every LAN party. It’s also brilliant fun to be 4-5 friends against an overwhelming arm of bots.
I’d like to correct you, yes Rising Storm 2 DOES contain bot support however you have to access it through the command console.
It’s a little unintuitive but it doesn’t outright not support playing against bots.
Rising Storm 2 bots are a cancelled feature, if you do manage to spawn them in they're completely busted.
Or just join a server that has the fill with bots option turned on?
Also just launch a workshop map/private game and you can add bots easy peasy
Didn't expect to see an RS2 regular such as yourself here! Hah.
@@wibble2482 they whitelisted the bots so some servers have them like servers for the talvisota mod
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Adding bots to *FPS* is like adding extra *RTS* game inside of what you are making already.
Try convising your manager that you need to spend extra half a year on it.
Excellent commentary! I feel exactly the same as you do regarding single player bot support. FUN is the Only Reason I play. That is why I prefer bots. Been playing since 1942. Thank you sir for your stream. You are spot on! /cheers
I love setting the bot count to 400, sitting back on twin islands with a sniper and just practicing my aim. Ravenfield is such a relaxing game
My childhood is playing cs with bots and I enjoyed every second of it!
I remember I played Battlefront 2 for my PS2 for hours and hours straight, and I had only found out the game had multiplayer support after playing for 2 years. The game was already incredibly fun with only bots, and still remained fairly challenging throughout.
So happy for bots. Loved Battlefield 1, but the game is so empty now. Happy they’re addressing it
...Battlefield 1 literally came out a few years ago what are u talking about
@@ScrambledNotEggs and Battlefield 1 is near death. It’s servers have very niche groups and small player counts. I’m happy that the issue of the Battlefield franchise being only sustained by it’s player base is being dealt with, in favor of it having some stability after it’s population dwindled. That was the problem with Battlefield 1.
@@ScrambledNotEggs the servers are dead
@@TheTestyDuck Huh alright didnt really think that could be the case since I actively play Battlefield 4 and it's still very much alive and well.
@@ScrambledNotEggs yeah Battlefield 4 is doing great right now. Battlefield 1 is on it’s death bed :(
i understand the sentiment, and have spent countless hours in several games playing with and against bots myself, and am fond of those times. i'm happy about the news about BF 2042. Yet over the years, the predictability of those matches regardless of difficulty selected, made them feel stale. actually managing a flank on an outpost, sneaking up behind alert, thinking players and having one of those "hero" moments in an actual multiplayer match feels infinitely more rewarding, albeit of course much, much rarer. i haven't looked back since overcoming the initial anxiety and stress of an actual online match. it's easy for the average player to get distracted by content found online, crazy trailers and compilations of killstreaks and stuff and ending up frustrated when their average game doesn't feature moments like that. but on the rare occasion it does, it's exhilarating. No bot match can come close.
still, of course, the bots being available is a very good thing.
I'm buying BF 2042, so there will be at least one bot in your games.
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"The reason I like bots. I'm bad at videogames"
100% agree! Its sad when i have to spend HOURS searching for a match when i just want some instant fun
I love hearing your perspective on things. More often than not I find my own thoughts aligning exactly with yours in the majority of your videos. This one, however, does not. The thought of playing against bots never even crosses my mind, I don't even hold an opinion about how I would feel playing against bots. I might like it, I'm not sure. But to hear you speak so fondly about playing against is bots so fascinating to me! I'm glad someone in dice has recognised that you're not alone! Thank you for the great video, your work is always stellar.
the bots are only available through online and even then if servers hit their limits you can't play by yourself :(
One of my favorite video of yours! i remember swimming to the enemy boat in Battlefield 1942 for a long time and infiltrate-spawnkill the bots, i felt like a spy, best childhood game
Only issue with bots in 2042 is that they seem to be only in online servers so if they get shutdown in the future we can't play it offline : /
That... kinda makes the whole 'having a bot' thing pointless. I really hope this isn't true.
Seeing bots be advertised as a feature in both Halo Infinite and Battlefield 2042 makes me so damn excited, especially since both are planning on using bots to fill in vacant spots in a match/server. With Halo Infinite, it's also a damn near necessity because it's one of the few remaining Arena-style shooters left on the market and bots make it easier for anyone to join on top of Infinite's MP already being F2P.
And with Battlefield 2042, it means that I get to have another game where I can just unwind and act out fun fantasies or just do stupid fun stuff like trying to not fire a single bullet.
I really hope that both of them doing this means that more and more games start including bots, even basic ones, for the sake of those of us who prefer PvE over PvP.
You express exactly what I feel. For me, it was the most fun when around 10% of all players were real and all other were bots. Because then you were the hero, you felt great all the time, but nonetheless you had always the thrill your enemy could be a real player. I stopped playing battlefield when bot support was gone. It bored me to die all the time. Also the scalability was great, I could decide how full the battlefield should be and there was always action everywhere when I wanted it to.
Honestly when you started talking about bots I was instantly like those people you mentioned. Bots isn't how you play the game, what's fun about having easy to kill enemies. But I kept listening and I remember as a kid playing bo2 knife only bot lobbies, getting the best killstreaks that I couldn't easily get in normal multiplayer. It was extremely fun, although getting those streaks in normal multiplayer was more rewarding to me. I do get what you mean, so I'm happy for the people that play with bots that they got what they wanted.
I really appreciate you standing up for us bot fans
same. I mainly play games as a way to wind-down and chill, take a break and check out from reality. Ever since I was little I've played games like the original Battlefront I & II, which was all bots, and that was my way of decompressing from the stresses of school and stuff. But now a-days, you can't have fun/chill experiences in games because everyone is being such a-holes. I could play a game like Fortnite for literally 2 hours, not win a single match, get maybe 5-10 kills total, get danced on by toxic toddlers, and probably hate being alive even more than I did before. To me, that's not fun. Gaming to me was always an introverted escape and a way to relax, but modern gaming is not relaxing when real life people are trying their hardest to ruin your day for their own personal gain. I just want to play a chill match against bots that fight fair, I don't care about competition or ranking up or leaderboards, I'm just trying to have a good time. Bots are ALWAYS a fun time, and the fact that they allow games with small player-basses to survive long-term, it's a no-brainer. Having bots as an option to play against in PRIVATE lobbies can only improve the games their in, and it doesn't take away from those who want to crush the souls of their neighbors in Multiplayer. We can have both. Bots all the way.
1942 was installed in all net cafes in my area so epic
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i share the same sentiment. lately i've been into loading up instant action in Star Wars Battlefront 2 (2005) and just playing against bots in large-scale battles. it's great fun
3:29 This is one of the most reasonable things I've ever heard about games. Not even kidding! I think the same. Games are supposed to be fun, to cool down the stress we already won from the day, not another stressful experience to the point make some people straight up, curse/scream, break things up, make the game/community toxic. And not gonna lie, I already did some of that stuff when I raged in a game! Like break things and curse/scream. That is why I prefer off-line/pve games, to have fun, instead of compete to see if I'm better than someone else, for me, that is one of the most selfish feelings someone could have while playing a game. You don't need to be better than someone, you don't need to get mad when someone is better than you. But games nowadays tries as hard as they can to show you that you are, somewhat, "inferior" to the other, just because you lost. I do understand that people like these kind of competition and think it is fun! And I don't want to take that away from them, no! But I do appreciate when a game doesn't force us to play like our (REAL) lives depends on it.
You know what? I do like Rising Storm 2 for example, I like Hell Let Loose, and even though they have some issues, those games are not focused on competition, they are not focused to see "who is the best", you? Or that random dude with anime pic on their emblem/profile (sorry, no hate if you do that, just a little joke!) ? These games are focused in cooperation, to help your team, and you can see that in those cases it even makes pvp enjoyable to players who like offline/pve games as well!
Ofc... If you play on daily basis ANY game can be stressfull. For example? Play Gta V EVERY SINGLE DAY, you will start to find things to complain, like bugs, stutterings, failing some missions. Even on RS2 or HLL I found things to complain! So moderation is the key to ANY game, pvp or pve!
So with that being said, it's very good and helpful when the DEVs add a real pve mode (not like those temporary events), for their games, so people can switch from mode to mode.
I honestly couldn't agree more. I'm a pretty skilled player, not the best, but I still prefer bots every day of the week over versing other players. I played the hell out of the battlefield and COD campaigns because it had bots and therefore I could enjoy the game in ways the video listed that you just can't do as much in PVP. I've been playing Rainbow 6: Siege for a little while and have racked up around 600 hours on it, half of which have been in PVP and the other half have been on my own in Training Grounds. (The player vs bot game mode) I'm a really good player at this game but it's so much more fun when I can fight 30 bots at once that absolutely suck than 5 v 5 players, exchanging kills between the 10 of us.
I have over 80 hrs on CS:GO and CS: Source combined but not once have I gone into a lobby with other players. That's just how much I enjoy fighting bots. The reason I mention Source is that I enjoy it more than the refined and cleaner CS:GO because it lets you customize the match and the bots a bit more. You can choose how many are on your team and the enemy team as well as the match time and what type of guns they use. This is something I believe is VERY important for games with bots, when you play with bots you're almost certainly either by yourself or a small group of friends and therefore have agreed that some rules or limitations should be implemented like the skill level of the bots, the number of bots, the stuff they can use and so on. I hope there is an option for this type of stuff in the new Battlefield but just the fact that there will be bot lobbies alone for players is amazing.
Despite how much I love the setting, I was going to avoid the game due to a lack of campaign, or at least wait for a massive sale. When I discovered the game surprisingly has bot support, especially with the way the industry has been heading for quite some time, my mind was blown and I'll now be picking it up on day one. If Halo Infinite were to have bots, my next few years would be taken care of.
don't buy an ea game on day one
go ahead pre order it
@@swatz3202 no
halo infinite is gonna have bot support, its been revealed
@@xxmurdermanxx6995 Yep! I was so happy when I discovered the news not too long after!
I didn't even know that battlefield had bots outside of campaign.
I can't agree more... LAN or bots are also the way I love to play the "multi-player" games... Unreal Tournament, Vietcong multi-player,...
UT2004 for life!
In Insurgency, my favourite game mods were PvE ones. Where you and your squad fought with hoards of bots in various game mods, it was fun, and bots sniping people with RPGs is one of my best memories from this game
Best thing EVER! Bots rule. I'm a bot expert as well. :D
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Bots are such an overlooked aspect in gaming.
I'd love to see a bot in an RTS come up with a creative, non-template strategy that fits the situation.
Will you make a video on the new battlefield portal? Seems to be a great thing for playing with bots!
Thank you, I love multiplayer games with bots so much. Probably stemmed from playing SW: Battlefront 1 and 2 so much as a kid. I recently got WW1 shooter Tannenberg which has great bot support.
I'm amazed to hear that, i remember spending soo much time playing against bots in BF:Vietnam, 1942 and BF2 on my shitty old PC, those games were soooo damn nice.
I just really love bots in games cause they let me enjoy the game a lot more casually, i agree with you a lot on this video for that reason, it's not that i hate online games but majority of them are too sweaty for my usually casual mood.
There are many reasons for me to love it, starting with how I can play in any way that I want without having the issue of facing against some guy who plays the same game all day, using the best guns and best loadouts to destroy everybody's fun as they sweat hard in a random ass game.
There's also the big reason you mentioned, if the game has no players, you simply can't play the game to the fullest, i don't know how large the bot support will be for the game but I'd imagine it'll be considerably large, I can see this being amazing for casuals, like people who just don't wanna play "that map" which every other player wants to play 24/7.
Not to mention with bots, you can avoid those toxic kids who will shout at you on mic or type slurs on in-game chat if you take the plane but don't do so well with it because you're experimenting.
Overall great news and i hope it'll be good and something they continue to do, pretty cool to hear that I'm not so alone in being quite happy about bots in Battlefield.
To see Ravenfield mentioned with high recommendation puts a smile on my face
Since the source code of Battlefield 2042 has already leaked, there won't be a shortage of bots to play against even if they didn't add bot support themselves :P
Playing video games usually feels like seeing through the matrix for me, so multiplayer is the only way to make myself feel engaged. I honestly can't believe you can keep the illusion up with bots, that's impressive.
Philip, I'd love to play with you, by myself with bots some day.
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@@payrimdwein9082 you got this ;)
I kinda like how the original Star Wars Battlefront games made it a mix between large scale bot warfare and the real player action. The warfare in that game always had galactic scale to it
Ravenfield is pog, it's a great game.
one of the few games your time spent in the game is 50% playing and 50% waiting for the game to load all your mod. goddamn i love that tiny community
@@piscessoedroen Vanilla+ and Hoider's mods are the best.
Killzone 2 had such awesome bot support.
Every reason i have to play with bots is in this video, glad to know there's someone who shares my thoughts
I love playing against bots. Way more chill and fun and less stressful than playing against a bunch of sweaty people online who play the game 24/7 and nothing else.
You ever try Battlefield: Vietnam's bot mode? I loved playing that
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@@swatz3202 WILL YOU FUCK OFF?
Vietnam had great bots, though I've always felt DICE just abandoned the game as it never got any content support beyond Redux, which was just a repackaging. (Though I guess 2142 only got Northern Strike)
I understand you completely, me and my brother played cod ghosts with primarily bots, that has been the most enjoyable thing ive ever experienced in gaming, no matter what game mode, or difficulty it was me and my brother, split screen, following a guy with [BOT] in their name, truly happier days
Having BOTS returning Battlefield is GREAT news!
Especially for "veterans" or new players, who just enjoy playing alone.
Oh my god for the love of god I am so glad you made this video, I thought I was the only one who thought this way. And now I can also send it to friends instead of trying articulate it myself every time.
I love BF1942. Got my cousin to try it over lan with me against the bots and he loves it now aswell. Its a she that having actual fun is progressovely machined out of games like these everything has to be competitive everything has to be pvp.....PvP will never be as fun as messing around with bots.....messing with them in Counter Strike gave birth to Left 4 Dead btw....there is just so much value in bots that all "multiplayer" games should have them.
i have fond memories of playing black ops 1 with bots, for the exact reasons you describe in the video. i loved being able to roleplay as a soldier, creeping around corners and holding angles that would just get me killed in multiplayer. sometimes i just liked going on an absolute rampage and dominating the entire lobby 60 kills for 0 deaths. i liked using different weapons that you wouldn't really get away with using against other players. i liked camping in one part of the map sniping one enemy after the other. i really miss this part of gaming and i don't think we'll ever experience it to the same level again.
I feel like multiplayer games have a weakness, its that it doesnt satisfy everyone, as one team wins and the other loses, and let me tell you its mostly not fun to lose, especially when you die so many times and are out of the action for balancing purposes for some time. But against bots, everyone gets happy as they win and have more action as they die less, and almost always win vs bots, while the losing team is composed of bots, so it doesnt matter, and it feels like a better time than in multiplayer. And this is a good thing no matter how skilled you are at the game, as you can up the difficulty to make it more challenging.
About balance, it really doesnt have to exist vs bots, as it only matters if the enemies are fair, so you can get lower death times or none at all, have more fun stuff that would be broken in multiplayer, anything that gives more fun can be enabled.
I just hope that future games take this into account, as i think coop/singleplayer vs ai games are the best games you can make in terms of fun.
In battlefield games I rarely get frustrated when loosing. Even if we get decimated and they come to our spawn.
It becomes a challenge.
How many of them can I take with me?
How much longer can I make it last?
It’s what makes multiplayer bf for me.
It’s about being relentless.
And you can’t have that against bots. Killing bots will never be rewarding.
@@xxxDrOctopusxxx Interesting view, ngl. Never thought about that, thank you for sharing! Maybe i wont feel so bad when losing in multiplayer if i have that mindset!
@@MetroArcher Let’s go!
I disagree personally, all games I've played against bots are boring stompfests. War thunder and enlisted come to mind, very different games, one being a tank sim and one being an FPS. In both these games playing against bots is beyond easy and just makes me bored, you don't have to employ any skill or strategy to win and it ruins atmosphere. pvp Is fun for me because you don't always smash the other team, that desperate defense on the final objective on BF1, knowing your gonna lose but determined to take down as many enemies as you can is a thrilling experience, much more thrilling than mindlessly stomping the enemy team and constantly winning. I hope bots don't interfere too much with multiplayer and remove any semblance of difficulty and strategy. An option to disable bots would be good imo, fair play if you wanna just play PVE but I don't and don't want it to interfere with my games.
@@spartancam-rs5ru the virgin « I’m scared of the enemy players » vs the chad « how many of them can I take down with me? »
I didn't get Internet until 2003, so I played all the Games in Singleplayer vs Bots. Loved it.
Bot lobbies are going to slap harder than a russian. I play Call of Duty for frags and going after killstreaks, Battlefield is about spectacle to me. Being able to load up 127 bots and create fake battles and play around with ai will be so fun. Now all I need is the main theme to drop for the game, the snippet in the trailer sounds really good.
I really think you'll love Angels Fall First. It has fantastic bot support and is basically like an upgraded old-school SW: Battlefront 2 if you could pilot the capital ships.
2kliksphilip: BF2 isnt a timeless classic because it didnt have good bot support.
Well Phillip, youre wrong. Sorry that you missed out on one of the best games in the series and thus had a less enjoyable childhood
Philip is the last person with a significant presence on RUclips who hasn't pandered to multiplayer only games
Bf2 bots are smarter than bf2042 bots . Ahahahah
Not anymore.
The theme of Battlefield 1942 never gets old. The game that made me interested in the Pacific War, of which I knew nothing of as a little frenchman (only Pearl Harbor, Iroshima and Nagasaki) and made me discover my second most favorite aircraft : the Douglas SBD Dauntless. I can't remember how many hours I played on Midway, Wake Island and Iwo Jima. There was also a really cool mod called "Desert Combat" which turned the game in the Gulf War, where I found my most favorite aircraft, the A-10. Those memories...
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Oh man i remmember using that mod to enlarge the number of bots in battlefield 2 , I remmember trying to do 100v100 or some crazy nubmer like that and having single digit fps and than crashing .Man like a bullet of nostalgia to my brain when you said you tryed using the same mod. Thanks for the video , have a wonderful day
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@@merzzost5555 i know i just wanted to know i've done it
@@vladdura9115 I mean fair but still lame
@@merzzost5555 i'm willing to compromise my integrity for a few seconds of gratification :))
Wonderful! I actually made a comment about exactly this. I said it was fine that the game didn't have a singleplayer CAMPAIGN, but there had to be a singleplayer option through the use of bots. Glad to see they went that route! Man, so far it feels like they're getting everything right.
As a huge battlefield 2 fan, and i even own the original CD, the game pretty much died and servers don't exist, playing with bots is all i've been doing when i felt like playing that part of my childhood again. Hearing about bots in 2042 got me quite excited
I love red orchestra 2 to the bone and quite like the unfairness of the multiplayer it does gives me the feeling of the horror that war is and I would love more content of it here on RUclips and you are the man for that work
There were a couple of medal of honor PSP games, and both of them had a reasonable level of bot support which allowed me to continue enjoying multiplayer long after the official online network for them was shut down. It was during a time where I was unable to use my PC as I was stuck in bed or in hospital constantly, so I really appreciated being able to just chill and have a fun time trying to beat my records for most kills without dying, or most kills with a bad weapon. Such an obscure game that didnt really HAVE to have multiplayer, but it did and im immensely grateful to the devs who bothered to code it.
I completely agree with your statement about being able to have this grand power fantasy against bots. It definitely takes the game's high skill ceiling and drops it immensely and makes it so much more enjoyable. I always used to load of BF2 or even Counter-Strike CZ and go into a match with a friend or two against bots. Like us VS the world. 2v16 or even greater. Not only did it lend itself to really enjoyable meat grinder gameplay, but it even gave some more challenge to the game and kept things interesting, we were able to experiment and see what sorts of strategies would work well against the bots. Actually on this youtube channel of mine, we actually grinded out 100 rounds of CS:CZ in a 2v16 before actually winning, and every round was fun considering we had nothing more to blame but ourselves when our plans didn't work out. IIRC we won by buying riot shields and having the other in the back with a machine gun to mow down enemies. It was truly fun times, and lends itself greatly to fun times with friends, especially when you don't have many friends who play the game. Safe to say I am excited to do 2v126 matches with some friends. This was easily the best news of BF2042 for me.
Whenever I remember bots I just remembered my childhood. I could never afford genuine copies of games back then so I pirated them, most of the time I was only able to play against bots. The entire Refractor engine lineup of Battlefield games hold a very special place in my heart, especially Battlefield Vietnam. Also that one CoD 4 mod that adds bots into multiplayer.
I'm so glad you were aware of this and made this vid. I had a feeling you'd appreciate this feature finally returning!
I thought this was another video about TF2 bot crisis
@@2kliksphilip I don't even know them :o. My avatar is a logo from Hellsing Ultimate, but colored in blue
Turning the Battlefield series my premier singleplayer childhood experience was my introduction to mods. Turns out there were plenty of people like us who wanted the premier BF experience offline.
Sorry to hear Philips didn’t get it working in BF2, but the Allied Intent* (AI) and AI eXtended (AIX) mods which were singleplayer and AI focused massive mods (new Maps, Weapons, Wehicles, the works!) kept BF2 relevant to me all the way through 2010.
AIX still keeps it relevant for me to this day.
I have it installed and always ready to play should some friends feel like it.
This is one of the many reasons I love Isonzo. It's like BF1 but with an even cooler(for me at least) historical niche +bot support