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- Опубликовано: 11 май 2024
- Paul Embery joins Tom Slater and Fraser Myers to discuss the never-ending cancellation campaign against the Hollywood actor.
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Get Spacey back on our screens
Kevin Spacey crossed someone in Hollywood and they banished him.
His fellow actors in films he was in have effectively been cancelled, have you seen 'the Negotiator' and The Usual Suspects' lately
A great actor is lost to the theatre. God, I hate the viciousness of trial by media lunatics
You lead a blessed life is this overpaid fatcat is your No 1 concern.
The presumption of guilt is the current status quo thanks to the woke switcharoo. I'm disgusted with it.
While i agree with you on much of the woke mindset guilt presumption, i would say that in respect of sex crimes, you have always been tarred with the crime even if cleared in court. There have been many such cases over the years, made much worse since the public naming of the accused and not yet tried or convicted during the investigation phase to "aid investigation". Once named publicly as accused, the court of public opinion has forever been the "no smoke without fire" bullshit judgement of the curtain twitching moralistic Hyacinth Bucket type. Certainly this is the case in the UK, if not everywhere Western.
That's what happens in a gynocentric society. Wimmin destroy what men create.
Cancelling someone is a form of bullying and harassment. I think those who cancel without proof should be dealt with through the legal system because it’s shocking what happened to Kevin Spacey. He’s lost his career, his home and years spent paying for legal bills to prove his innocence.
Those who made false accusations should be held accountable and made to pay compensation.
Much nearer home- Salmond, formerly of the SNP faced a barrage of complaints of sexual impropriety- none resulted in convictions, but the then leader of the SNP used a covid broadcast to say that 'just because someone is found not guilty doesn't mean they didn't do it'. Shameful. Additionally of course the details of the accused are released whereas the accuser is protected by anonymity .The powers that be have also decided that not enough rape allegations result in convictions- I mean they MUST mostly be guilty, mustn't they ?- so lets do away with juries and have specialist judges to get the figures up. Centuries of legal precedent and procedure are at risk of being torn up.
The witch trials got the odd evil doer too. That's not really a justification.
Kevin Spacey has been done up like a kipper. He has been found not guility in any court. Just let the guy act. Any play he was in London would sell out its run in an hour.
Replace the name Kevin Spacey with the name Jimmy Saville...
And then ask yourself why Saville got away with it for so long.
@@thedirectorschair1054 Jimmy Saville never went on trial. Spacey has twice. I prefer the rule of law to the rule of the mob.
@@thedirectorschair1054 Saville never went to court, or was publicly accused during his lifetime. You also have to say watching the first few minutes of the C4 "documentary" about the new allegations, it certainly is not balanced or fair journalism. Comes across immediately as a hit piece for ratings. I'm not making excuses for either man here, but with respect to Spacey, the only people i have heard making accusations are what you may consider adult men maybe with the exception of one teenage male of 14 i think. It strikes me as far less likely that zero of these people decided to say anything until it became lucrative to do so, and the original accusations would be true. Following the multiple cases where Michael Jackson was extorted for being an idiot with kids at best and the huge settlements he had to pay out for no convictions.... you can see why this sort of thing has taken off in the subsequent time. There's money to be made even without guilt.
@@theoutsider6191 You make some important points. Let me try and address them. Yes, Saville was never publicly accused or went to court - but everyone who spent any time even in the same city as Saville, knew what he was doing. The BBC, the NHS, almost the entirety of Leeds, including the police force, knew he was a horrific paedo. It was an open secret. With Kevin Spacey, it is also an open secret to everyone in the industry. There's a reason he was thrown under the bus as soon as the dam started to break because there are a lot of people in the industry who enabled his actions or looked the other way. For instance, the entire management of the Old Vic at the time Spacey was there should be facing some hard questions. Everyone in Theatreland knew, so their claims they did not just don't hold water. They looked the other way.
Now why did the people in power over Spacey not dob him in before? My very first professional theatre job, I was felt up by a famous gay actor. I told the Producer I had been sexually harassed and his reply was: 'Get used to it. He makes me money. You don't.' The performing arts are full of abusers. Spacey made lots of other people very very rich. Meanwhile the people he was abusing had no power at all, it was not only going up against Spacey, but the even more powerful people around him who could blacklist a young actor out of the industry.
Anthony Rapp has accused Spacey of paedophilia, being just 14 when Spacey sexually abused him. Rapp got nothing out of that accusation. He was just trying to put the trauma behind him. He is a fully credible victim of Spacey's crimes.
Is there a cautious tale with Michael Jackson? Yes absolutely. The difference with Jackson is that no 'victim' ever filed a criminal charge against Jackson. That was all for money, whereas the immediate charges against Spacey were criminal. Maybe his victims are chasing him in civil court now that the criminal charges have failed, but the first and immediate desire was to see him locked up. Each case must be determined on its own merits. Just because some people bandwagon on one case for money, does not mean that another similar case does not have dozens of actual victims. The Jackson case had no merits. The Spacey case does. Might there be some people claiming to have been attacked by Spacey when they haven't? It's possible, but all of the accusations I have heard so far are fully credible considering the stories I heard going round the industry at the time Spacey was in the UK.
Finally, there may be a salacious tv show, but that is a separate issue. TV is always chasing money and ratings and it will always attract gold diggers. It has no bearing on whether Spacey is innocent or guilty.
Never mind the conspicuous deaths of accusers and witnesses. Pure coincidence.
#Me,too was always about mob justice, presumption of guilt, guilt by association and unsubstantiated smearing in order to destroy someone's life. There has never been any association with the notion of justice.
We should ALWAYS believe the victim! The problem is determining exactly who the victim is.
Channel 4 documentary. There is a reliable source of information right there.
What happened to the presumption of innocence legal principle? Kevin was accused, tried, convicted and sentenced in the court of public opinion, it's appalling. What is not (or hardly reported) is that despicable loser Anthony Rapp who started it all was found guilty of false allegations against Kevin after admitting that he lied about the whole thing and, in fact, he never even met Kevin. He was fined $40,000 whereas he sued Kevin for 4 millions. Rapp is still working on TV show 'Star Trek: Discovery' and Kevin has lost everything. Utterly disgusting!
If you don't have evidence, "allegation" = slander, and there should be consequences.
I think we’ve robbed ourselves of a great talent for no real reason.
LOL, who gives af? Are you his mother?
@@peterc4082 I think he's a good actor.
@@aldraone-mu5yg There are 1000s like him. Maybe they can get a chance.
He is white R Kelly. Gtfoh. 😂
If allegations don’t mete out, they should be sued into oblivion
That would create a chilling effect even against real accusations, what if you still lose?
If accused of rape or what Kevin Spacey has been it really doesn't matter if you are cleared, if your name gets put out there in any media at all associated with this sort of label you will be forever convicted. People always have that "no smoke without fire" attitude to this accusation for some reason and it's literally one person's word against another's in many such cases - so clarity and certainty is not likely hence the low conviction rates. It is also the case that the accused's anonymity is thrown on the bonfire of their life when anyone makes this kind of accusation as the police et al are allowed to put the accused's name out there in media even before it goes to court. Even people that are exonerated and the accuser found guilty of perjury and faulse testimony are still labelled with the accusation. Any employer these days is also google searching you beforehand and obviously anything like this will be found. Guaranteed you will not get the job, even if found innocent. And the accused will also forever have a record on their Police National Crime Database record even if found innocent, so any job requiring high level Police vetting is out permanently. There have been several well documented cases where this has happened and the guy accused has ended his own life because even their own families do not believe them after the fact or during the accusation phase. It is a notable risk in the teaching profession, particularly for male teachers. It is disgusting in what purports to be a civilised society.
The problem with media is they can judge/paint a person as guilty and frame them in a bad light, then regardless of innocence move on without giving a dam.
Channel 4 desperately trying to smear someone again.
I’ve canceled all Hollywood they all weirdo’s.
This is like a Chinese cultural revolution...
Organisation are cowardly!
Excerpt from Rudyard Kipling's poem .. "If'.
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream-and not make dreams your master;
If you can think-and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:
“Known for his work on stage and screen, [Spacey] has received numerous accolades, including two Academy Awards, a BAFTA Award, a Golden Globe Award, a Tony Award, and two Laurence Olivier Awards. Spacey was named an honorary Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire in 2015.”
Kevin, you're in good company. Everybody loves Johnny Depp, and he had to go through this same crap.
Except JD is not a predator. This dude actually is.
@@carrington2949 a predator of US marines?? Don't make me laugh
@@vivian9187 Dude has a long list of victims.
@carrington2949 yep, and every one of them wanted favours off Kevin, and when they didn't get the big leg up into the film industry, they wanted money off him. That's why he was found innocent of all the allegations
@@vivian9187 Some of them were children. My friend was one of them. He was 14. This man is a damn monster.
Paul Embury for PM
Keeps people in line! Don’t want to play ball with the prevailing orthodoxy and maybe you’ll be accused next!
Ohhh ! Channel 4 at it again ! ………Ah well, after the attempt on Russell Brand ( which failed ) I guess they thought they’d have another go ! ….i think we can take it if ch 4 go after someone they are almost certainly innocent !!
Leave this man alone
Channel 4 don’t you think he’s suffered enough for no reason
TWATS
It's all about selling and filling space in media, papers, TV, radio and so on. Innocent till proven guilty MUST prevail for a just society to have even half a chance..
The president of the Atlas corp would be catching heat 💀 is this new aw lore?
Jingoist solutions to problems never end well. 'Believe all women' should have been 'Investigate claims, then judge'
Isnt it interesting that people never bother about sexual promiscuity from 30 years ago unless the other person has become rich or famous?
The difference is that everyone in the business knew it at the time. This is another Saville situation.
@@thedirectorschair1054Agreed.. this ‘buryitdeep’ guy seems like he has a guilty conscience to assuage
There's a difference between promiscuity and sexual abuse.
Great actor
He did it
No Mr Simpson NooOoo! *Dramatisation may not have happened*
What has happened to Spacey is disgusting.
No what Spacey did was disgusting. I worked as an actors agent at the time he was Artistic Director at the Old Vic and long before he was publicly accused I’d heard rumours about what he did.
There was no way I’d allow any of my young male clients be alone in a room with him.
@@sookibeulah9331Your persistence in the absence of proof is highly suspicious. Did he not show you enough attention?
@@willmercuryyour persistence makes you look like an apologist for sleazy behaviour. Have you been acused of being a nonce? Jailed for it?
@@willmercury Your persistence in the failure to listen to people in the business at the time is highly suspicious. At the time, literally everyone in theatreland knew that Spacey was a dangerous predator.
Let me tell you of my first job in theatre. I was touched up by a famous older gay celebrity. When I told the producer that I had been sexually harassed, the producer said - direct quote: 'Get used to it. He makes me money. You don't.'
Spacey made everyone an awful lot of money.
@@willmercury Often, in cases of sexual assault including rape, there is no proof.
The cancellation runs to not showing any of his wonderful films on tv. Do they think something will travel through the cables?
What's with the NPCs defending Spacey online? Mr or Ms Bot can you go away?
Too many rumours floating about BEFORE #metoo for me to believe he's innocent.
Channel 4 needs to be cancelled
Does anyone think Stacey would care if someone else suffered cancelation,especially if they had the wrong polotics to hollyweird
That is irrelevant, and if you can't see that, you are part of the problem.
How is that relevant? Are we only deserving of justice if we have the right credentials?
Maybe try a spellchecker or swap glasses.
Unfortunately I do feel still that spacey is sus
Unless…. Not until
I worked as an actors agent over the time Spacey was Artistic Director at the Old Vic Theatre. He, and one casting director, were the ONLY names I repeatedly heard rumours about with regard to sexual assault. There was no way I would have let any of my young male clients be alone in a room with him. It was widely understood that he’d come to the U.K. because the age of consent is lower here than in the US. This was all sometime before he was ever publicly accused. I don’t know why the convictions against him have failed, but I don’t believe him to be innocent
Proof is the standard for justice. Where is it?
I was in the business too. Even up in the north the rumours were everywhere. The Old Vic was his personal brothel where he could abuse young and extremely young actors.
@@willmercury Saville was never convicted either. Turns out having lots and lots of money makes you invulnerable to justice.
Looks like "Spiked" is defending this sort of behaviour. What a bunch of tossers.
😂😂I don’t believe a word you say.
Showbuisness people are pathetic ,cancelling a great actor for something that may or may of not happened decades ago ….
I think he got too close to how DC really operates with ‘being Frank.’
You did not just use the word “witchunt”….
You’ve got to be kidding the public with this.
Funny how allegations are seemingly only made against the rich and famous.
I was falsely accused twice at Uni.
Those are just the ones you hear about.
Kevin Spacey isnt a "victim" of anything.
His reputation within the acting community is well known, as is his habit of frequently having a disturbingly young boy in tow.
If anyone in the acting world ever decided to spill their guts (and end their career) this entire story would have a very different complexion.
Do you mean a young man? I'm sure he'd not have gotten away with having a child in tow.
So a bit like Leonardo DiCaprio then?
Just like Philip Schofield then - having a young boy in tow.
@@justlorelle4249 You are "sure" are you? How does that work, being "sure" about something?
It's just normal in gay circles.
Surprisingly majority of gay couples I saw fill in that description- prospering older man with younger good looking man - wait, it also works with many straight couples too )
I'm sure he is a Cylon. Trust me
Comments are censored on you tube.
During the 2010s when Spacey was running the Old Vic, the rumours of him using the theatre as his personal brothel, luring in young male performers with the promise of being associated with fame, were everywhere in theatreland. Everyone in the business, as I was back then, knew about it because it was literally impossible to not hear the stories on the grapevine even three or four times removed. Spacey had power. He abused it with abandon. The casting couch was in full operation. It was impossible to say anything against him at the time because, like Saville, he was untouchable. Hollywood in London. The glitterati worshipped him.
It's taken time for these lawsuits to start happening as people have grown up and realised how much he abused them. He may well be found innocent in the courts, he can afford very good lawyers. But don't let that fool you for a second. He is a full on predator and I hope people keep bringing the lawsuits until they nail the b*stard. And if not, mud sticks and it should stick in this case. So sure - innocent until proven guilty. But he is guilty, no matter how good his lawyers are at pretending the opposite.
So you have proof that he is guilty that can be used in court? You are advocating a world where people are presumed guilty until proved innocent.
@@rodneyfungus8249 I'm stating that as far as I am concerned. I have heard enough at the time the abuse was happening, to know that accusations would occur at a later date - and lo and behold they did. I know that when Spacey was accused of paedophilia, he got a get out of jail free card by coming out as gay which somehow deflected away from that. I know that it's practically impossible to prove historical sexual assault under any circumstances so there's little to no worth in a not guilty verdict. Even serial rapist Harvey Weinstein has had some of his convictions tossed.
Justice is an imperfect system. Innocent until proven guilty is a judicial ambition. But the world just doesn't work like that. I'm not advocating for a world where innocent until proven guilty is removed, but I'm pragmatic enough to know that sometimes the system throws innocent people in prison and sometimes it lets guilty people go free and sometimes the people know when a guilty person has gone free. No one doubts that OJ Simpson was guilty, despite being found innocent.
Spacey is the Trump of actors 😢
5:24 They know the consequences...they just don't care.
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In ancient times Scape Goats (people) were cast into the desert to carry all the sins of the tribe/city/ village. The reason being that everyone else was cleansed.
Concentrated projection.
Result!
Witnesses seem to disappear when it comes to Kevin.
What's that supposed to mean? If you have allegations to make, spit it out. Don't just make sly comments.
Have you even looked into it? Have an actual look where the person was mentally unstable and took their own life alone. You seem guilty of just reading the front page of gossip magazines or some tabloid rag targeted at intellects like yours and coming to that conclusion? Do better or stay off the keyboard and dont vote.
They sound like male feminists or apologists. Not a word about accusers being held accountable if their allegations turned out to be fabricated out of spite or greed
The allegations weren't fabricated. Spacey's lawyer admits that he committed the actions, but the lawyer claimed 'it's not illegal to like sex'. Amazingly this got Spacey off the first time.
Post #MeTo you are guilty until you the accused can prove otherwise.
Looks like this is getting ratio-ed.
He's not a victim.
He's a wrongen so I'm ok with him being cancelled tbh
Best actor of generation. Never stopped loving him, never believed a word , so horrible that west applies tactics of Soviet propagandists..
Why is Metoo even interested. There isn't a single woman involved.
Jesus. Do you ever stop. Fing boring
@@bobsmith5441 I don't know what fing boring means or with what I am supposed to stop. It is my only comment here.
@@ramonek9109 Bringing women into a issue about alleged sexual assaults of men by a man.
@@bobsmith5441 That is exactly what I didn’t do. I myself stated that no women are involved. So I would assume that it falls outside the advocacy of Metoo. Seems your response has no relation to anything I have said. Bye.
@@ramonek9109 Who said the MeToo Movement was exclusively about/for women?
This won't age well.
Yep. You've called it.
Was OJ innocent…..I’ve always thought this bloke was proper dodgy…. sorry 😩
I'm increasingly of the opinion that modern identity politics is inherently homophobic. At least the justice system has shown itself to be impartial, on this occasion.
The audience just isn't there for late middle aged white guys with question mark over them.. streaming and cinema is mostly funded by families and the young and this guy comes across as sleazy.