🙏 I coached a nursing student (in shorter than ideal time) to place a fresh dressing on the wound before the patient left for the procedure off the nursing unit. We finished. I said “good! This dressing is good enough”. The patient exclaimed: “what do you mean *good enough?!!!*”. I said “not a Blue Ribbon grade, but clean, timely and will hold well through your procedure”. Exactly what you said 🙏🌿❤️
Perfectionism is an enemy to productivity. It's best to be or do "good enough" and just get on with the job. You get a lot more done. I've found that this applies to housework, dieting, exercising, my career, and even parenting.
@@feanorian21maglor38so true but it’s the number one thing I struggle with. It comes off as lazy to people that simply don’t understand the desire and pressure to be perfect but sometimes I’m so anxious to get started and so afraid to not choose the best/perfect choice
Many years ago, I flew charter jets with a co-pilot who was incredibly nice. Great guy, highly focused, gentlemanly, kind, all the rest. A person you would be happy to have to dinner. He just wasn't very good at flying. Not terrible, but not very good. This was exacerbated by the fact that English wasn't his first language. On several occasions we had the conversation about "well, why did that happen? What could you have done differently?" Long story short, he overcame his deficiencies and became a well-respected and highly competent captain. I wish Charles had given himself that chance. It's not over until you give up.
I discovered Dr. Grande about 5 years ago when I was finishing my doctorate and needed help with the SPSS statistical software I was using to analyze the data for my dissertation. His videos were so clear and concise and saved me weeks of anguish. I had no idea he would be one of my fav true crime analyzers several years later. Def multi-talented!!
@@Deadfoot-Dancomplimenting someone is something you should do more, specially if your have free access to content they create and enjoy. Stop being you.
I think your assessment is spot on. For those people who struggle with mental health issues, your mind doesn’t typically calm down after an in event. Many actually spin up, running through all of the negative issues and possibilities. For them, it gets worse not better after a negative event.
I have to wonder why the third possibility isnt even weighed: Pilot threw copilot out the back of his plane for breaking it. Not that I suspect this happened, but every conceivable rational possibility should be weighed.
I had actually heard the audio recording he was just disconcertingly nonchalant. And he was the only one left to tell the story. I wondered if something else had been the problem
@@wisdomsleuth77777yeah I noticed that, his co-pilot just game ended and he's acting like it's any other Tuesday to him. How many co-pilots have killed themselves around him that he's so unbothered by it?
The idea that he would not have waited 20min I have issues with. Sometimes it takes time to build out the worst-case scenario in your mind. You then project a future that you can't live with.
I was thinking the same myself. From my own experience, the more something is bothering me, the more worst case scenarios of "what ifs" enter my mind. The more fear I have, the worse it gets.
I agree, I think that's exactly what happened. You probably also need to build up some "courage" before you commit suicide by jumping out of a plane when you life was still totally in order 20 minutes earlier.
Yes, I was going to comment the same thing. When I feel I’ve made an irrevocable mistake, and I sit and stew in my thoughts, sometimes my decision making skills are terrible. 😢
Occam's razor says he's a catastrophist (that explains his over-reactions) that was afraid of burning alive in a crash landing. He probably got increasingly worried with the talk of emergency crews and fire trucks getting into position. Also , the tone of the communication in the cockpit and with the tower would give valuable insight into what he might be thinking and feeling. Was the pilot panicked? Was there blame being thrown around? Those sorts of things.... Oh, and he likely had no idea he wasn't supposed to take Kratom. I doubt there's anyone that has memorized the entire list of forbidden substances.
I came here because I misread the title. (I thought it was about flying with nausea.) Very sad story, but since I'm here, I'll share my story anyway, though it's only peripherally related. It was a pleasure flight with my fiancee in the passenger seat of a rented Skyhawk. I dropped down to 500' AGL and flew several tight circles (45 degree bank) around our house while she took pictures. Around and around... Suddenly I had to get back to the airport ASAP. I'd never been airsick before, and the sudden nausea and anxiety were made worse by the fact that I was the only one who could fly the plane, and we were low & slow. We were 20 miles out, and I couldn't get on the ground fast enough. They say it's better to be on the ground wishing you were flying than flying and wishing you were on the ground. So true.
As someone who also struggles with anxiety, I think your analysis is spot on. I wouldn't be surprised if he was brought up in a home where perfection was expected of him, or else there would be harsh consequences.
@@lesliewoinarowicz7018oh yes like the Covid vaccine? I say do research and be your own advocate do not blindly trust any doctor alone . Sorry but this young man is gone and I find your comment very condescending I doubt you have ever suffered from chronic mental illness.
I'm a commercially rated pilot and flight instructor. Mr. Crooks no doubt saw this as an event that would keep him from working as a pilot. It's a very small community, in terms of numbers. He probably saw this as the equivalent of an athlete having a career-ending injury. Some people can live with that idea. I'm thinking that the damage to the gear would humiliate him among his peers, and keep him from having another flying job. It is more than possible that he could not live with that outcome, literally.
As a student pilot who’s just beginning ground school I can’t wrap my head around why someone would think their entire career is over after a single botched landing. I’ve seen 737 pilots slam landings so bad their tires fall off when carrying 180 passengers. They don’t just throw in the towel and think I’ll never fly again. Every mistake you can take away something, it’s not the end of the world.
@@evanm6739 Exactly, old ‘ART’ here above, being a instructor and all, suspiciously is not clarifying wether the insurance isn’t paying for the damage and the associated responsibility. There’s so much holes and gaps ole art leaves. At his knowledge and instruction ya know. So I’m a 17yr airline employee ground ramp ape in San Diego and I don’t see this as such a problem. This is mentall illness resulting in grossly over assumed costs and peers embarrassment and the co pilot did a horrible job at mitigating the guys mental at the time, part of your job is to help keep the coworkers in check, If you see a co worker potentially ramping up to shoot the boss, same as jumping out a plane killing one’s self in suicide. Lame!
@@hoopslaa5235 Old 'ART' is correct. The gear incident ended or severely limited his career chances as a professional pilot. Know that the pilots flying airliners likely don't have a history blemished with incidents resulting in broken aircraft that were their fault.
@@evanm6739 " I’ve seen 737 pilots slam landings so bad their tires fall off when carrying 180 passengers." BS. When and where. Such incidents would require investigations, and reports, by the NTSB. Where are the reports to back your claim?
Waiting 20 minutes before doing what he did makes perfect sense to me. For some of us the more we think about something, the more we catastrophise and come up with a mounting list of negative consequences that will impact us going forward. He was probably spiralling, believing his career was over and he’d never recover from this. Add to that his fear that his drug use would be discovered, I totally believe what he did was deliberate.
Kratom is part of the coffee family and doesn't get you high, there's a lot of prescription medication that can't be taken while flying a plane. If you aren't in perfect heath you get grounded immediately. I've taken kratom for years because of the rollercoaster of pain medicine and anxiety meds. There was a march on Washington in 2017 to keep it on the market because it actually helps people get off opioids, Washington agreed but it's not FDA regulated. It's legal supplements that's sold everywhere in the US.
No matter how much it pays or how much your employer claims you are all family... no job is worth taking your life over. It's sad he felt there was no other way out.
We need an independent identity outside of our work. I think our employers claim we're family as an emotionally manipulative tactic to make it harder for us to leave.
@@carpathianken Totally agree. I found many people confused/betrayed after their loyalty to a company disappears if the company goes out of business or massive layoffs occur (think Boeing right now). People with perfectionist attitudes hard-wired into their personalities usually cannot be talked out of their rigid thinking. It's all or nothing. Retirement also may cause loss of identity - one main reason why people (especially men) die shortly after retiring. Everyone needs a second identity such as an alternative occupation or hobbies.
Respectfully, it is clear that most comments here do not understand the incredible amount of time, effort, and money it takes to become a pilot....and how one mistake can end your career and *all* of that time, effort, and money spent with nothing to show for it. Some speculate his home upbringing expected perfection of him all the time; this may indeed be true, but it is clear that people underestimate the significant investment required to become a pilot. I am not saying his (potentially intentional) actions were justified, but that it is much more complex than 'anxiety' or 'performance pressure.' Dr. Grande, it would be great to see you do an interview/discussion with a current or retired NTSB Human Factors Specialist regarding this interesting case. Wishing everyone a happy and healthy new year. 💚
@@consortiumxf one mistake will not end your career. Pilots are humans, they are susceptible to making mistakes. This industry recognizes this and in many cases additional training is required to address deficiencies. Most insurance companies ask if a pilot has had any incidents in the past 5 years. Do not perpetuate the misconception that one mistake will ruin your career. It’s simply not true.
@@captain_cgc2413 Please reread my comment - it states "how one mistake *can* end your career" not *will* end your career. There are so many different mistakes (and various levels of severity) in aviation, there is no way I could state that one mistake will end your career.
@@consortiumxf the entire context of your statement signifies very severe consequences, the can/will really makes no difference to the message you convey. Obviously all circumstances are different and there may very well be career ending situations that occur. However, misjudgment of the flare does not classify as a career ending mistake. If a pilot acts maliciously or shows a blatant disregard for the regulations or safety, then I can see justification for career ending action against him/her. You would be shocked at the stupid things pilots have done and continue on with very successful careers. I don’t want to discourage people from considering a career as a pilot by creating the impression that we need to be perfect with 100% performance all the time. 100% performance is always the goal, but we humans fall short sometimes. I’ve had to end careers. I’ve flown with individuals whose careers I should have ended given their behavior and attitude towards safety, but these were extreme situations.
@@consortiumxf I think there is a more important issue here than what it takes to become a pilot. Thousands of pilots make mistakes every day and tha vast majority don't jump out of the plane, or in rare cases take the plane and everyone on the plane with them. The elephant in the room is mental health and how that can be a serious safety factor in aviation. You have a individual here who was reportedly exhibiting unusually high levels of frustration and anxed in the face of the slightest hint of pressure. Not exactly a desired trait for someone in control of a machine that (by it's very nature) will consistently test it's operators mental integrity with extreme amounts of pressure from time to time. Charles probably shouldn't have been allowed on the flight deck of a commercial aircraft, (based on those aforementioned observations by those around him) in my opinion. The saving grace her is thank God his mental breakdown didn't spill over into a mass casualty event shrouded in a mushroom cloud. It may be demanding and stressful but that's the point. Not everyone was wired to take on the serious task of becoming a safe and proficient pilot.
I have a high degree of anxiety; this has been true my entire life. I can absolutely believe that this young man let the implications of this error fester and compound in his head for 20 minutes and drive him to suicide. I think there is almost zero probability it was otherwise.
In a military aircraft like a C-130 or a C-17 you don't go anywhere near an open ramp unless you are wearing either a parachute or a safety harness. For one thing its very windy with the ramp opened and the air swirls around in the cargo compartment. If Charles had any intention of going anywhere near the open ramp either to vomit or to see the damage to the plane one would think he would not have done so without taking proper safety precautions. He probably jumped out.
@@lesliewoinarowicz7018I thought about that being a possibility, if the copilot hadn't made it clear " he jumped out the back"...and doing it right after apologizing. This young man was exceedingly hard on himself
Great program! Love Dr. Grande’s perspectives and analysis. I have empathy for this poor pilot who must have been suffering terribly in his last few minutes. Our hearts should also go out to the other officer on board, who probably has suffered terribly to experience this tragic occurrence.
It's so sad that such a young man (only 23) with his entire life ahead of him, and the time he still had to go into a different career field, would end his life over this. 😢
I can't even imagine it. I went to college expecting to become a veterinarian. In the end, I changed my major twice, never worked in a vet clinic aside from one short-lived high school gig, held multiple other jobs that had nothing to do with my area of study, and finally I have settled in a call center with no intention of leaving. No one was more surprised than me. It is for a veterinary company, so at least it's related and my education didn't completely go to waste. However, if you had told me at the beginning of my journey that I would end up a cubicle worker, I would probably JOKE about taking a flying leap out of a plane with no parachute, but I certainly wouldn't do it! Sometimes life isn't always a bowl of cherries and we just don't get our way... baffling...
I believe this poor sweet man suffered from the "wait until you get home" scenario. Most every person has had their parents tell them while misbehaving that when they get home they will be punished and the car ride home as a child, sweating the punishment is usually far worse than the actual punishment.
I think even as an adult knowing I’m in trouble for something but not knowing what I actually did is one of the most paranoia inducing things I could ever be made to endure. I hate it. Just tell me what’s wrong you drama queen. It wastes my time, it unnecessarily worries me, and it pisses me off.
Where did you get "poor" and "sweet"? He is a grown adult that is capable of facing the consequences of his actions. Failure to do so does not make someone "poor" or "sweet"
@@ArtU4All most pilots are difficult to cause such things. We tend to compartmentize such things or it becomes a distraction. It can affect mental reflex, decision making and overall situational awareness. Any kind of tragedy or loss can cause ptsd. Divorce, bankruptcy, death in family, etc. When a pilot steps onboard, its purely focus, professional, sharp, skills, guts & talent. When fear & panic isnt even a remote possibility. No emotional baggage can be carried on board.
Thanks for presenting that. I retired from the government after three decades of flying as part of or all of my duties and am now just flying charters and instructing. I like your analysis of behavioral issues, especially as they pertain to aviation and criminal justice.
Your analysis sounds spot on. I related to alot of things when you described him. Including the kratom. He most likely was thinking about it while he relayed to the flight tower. 20mins of thinking can lead to alot of horrible thoughts.
Also. Kratom hasn't been added to the drug screen tests just yet. Or at least to the majority of them. I can even say for a hair follicle test that kratom isn't detected yet. Or at least for the one I had taken.
So sad. My mom worked for a tissue bank growing up taking tissues from deceased individuals for transplant. Sadly there was a rash of teenaged suicides that she had to perform when I was a teen, a lot of them due to breakups with their boyfriends/girlfriends. Right after my first heartbreak as a teenager I was severely depressed and due to what she had seen she was worried that I may be suicidal. So she sat me down and told me "Son, sometimes good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people. But you can always recover and you will always come back stronger. From almost everything... except death. Suicide is a long term solution to a short term problem. When you recover you will look back at this and think it trivial." Im now 41 with a wife and two kids and those words have stuck with me. While the thought of harming myself never entered into my mind, I do think back to those who did harm themselves. I think about everything they missed out on, not to mention the pain it caused to everyone who cared about them. It makes me sad that some people choose a long term solution to a short term problem.
I’m really enjoying the “add on” dialogue after the case in point. I’d love to see you extend each video to include these mini lectures. I didn’t articulate my feelings and desire clearly due to residual brain farts after my stroke. Hope you can dig out what I’m trying to say.😊 👍Keep doing what you’re doing! How ‘bout that?!
The pilots cockpit voice recorder has been made publically available. I know you are being cautious with keeping all options open here, but the cockpit recording would suggest otherwise? The moment the pilot realises he is in hysterics trying to pull himself together about what just happened and has to radio it in to which point the tower doesn't understand what he's saying and constantly misinterprets what the pilot is saying making the dude literally spell it out what has happened? Notting in that recording suggested what you maybe thinking? Even when the tower gave him emergency landing request it still hadn't registered to them that the co pilot didn't jump out because he joined the Sky divers previously on board....... No he departed without a parachute! The pilot actually says "do you want the coordinates for the body so that they could send out a search party to recover the dead body?" The tower literally seemed confused and almost dismissive because that hadn't connected the dots about what had happened? All I could feel was such sorrow for the pilot hearing how traumatic it was? I encourage you to look it up.. It's on RUclips.
@@jameshatton4211maybe I didn't get to listen to the entirety of it but when he exited the plane let's say at that point he did not sound extremely upset he sounded kind of nonchalant. That's how I remembered it. I'd be curious if there had been more to what I had heard
Wow! Dr. Grande So much information in such a concise time! Thank you for your input. The mystery of this situation has baffled me. You gave great insight in “ what could be happening in a case like this“.❤
The FAA's position on mental health is to sweep it under the rug. Their zero tolerance policy forces pilots to hide struggles and self medicate rather than get professional help. And this makes flying less safe.
Yeah, I agree. This isn't the only case of a pilot "losing it" seemingly out of nowhere. And some of the other cases involved pilots who were flying planes with passengers, which is scary to think about. I assume the reason he was taking Kratom in secret, especially because kratom is not realistically that helpful for anxiety and it's absolutely vile (like hard on your stomach, tastes disgusting if you don't take it in capsules, can make you vomit), is because the FAA would have 'let him go' if he had seen a psychiatrist about anxiety and been prescribed medications. I don't know much about it; are pilots not even allowed to take SSRIs?
@@Throatzillaaa I just looked it up. The FAA has a list of approved antidepressants. Looks like the rules are pretty strict. I guess that's good? I have a friend who used to fly for fun, but can't fly anymore. He's on quite a cocktail of drugs now, but very stable. As stable as the next guy (and probably more so). He's very intelligent and it's a shame he isn't allowed to fly anymore. I would have enjoyed taking some flights with him.
@@jkjives1786 Yeah, they're getting better. Diabetes used to be a disqualifier. Then they allowed it under draconian conditions. Now for non-commercial flying it isn't that big of a deal. The FAA has even allowed flying if you qualify medically under a driver's license for non-commercial flying and some other conditions. But mental health is still a huge roadblock.
Dr. Grande, likely your very best video. Truly excellent. Concise, relatable, thought provoking, but easy to digest. I'll spend my day thinking on this, which is absolutely meant as a compliment since stimulating genuine thought is one of the highest goals in life.
Love you Dr. Grande ! Seriously love the tone of your voice it gives my anxiety ridden brain a chance to listen to this kind of content without being totally overwhelmed ❤❤❤.
I really enjoy this new format of video. Discussing the issues particular to each cases in a more expanded way is helpful and interesting. Thank you, Dr. Grande!
I agree! The stuff at the ends of vids is valuable for teaching the public more about psychology. This is in total contrast to the YT entrepreneurs that have experienced personal mental health challenges and turned that into lucrative life coaching gigs without any real training.
That conclusion was the best discussion on the flexibility of various personality characteristics and how it affects job performance I have heard...Im a retired clinical psych professor and Jordan Peterson, himself a developer of the 5 Factor Theory who worked on it , has never described it better for a general viewer. THERE IS NO IDEAL personality type they each have their strengths except when one or two factors is/are extreme...it isnt such a bad thing to be a middle of the road sort of person. People talk alot about exceptionalism. Average is disdained by many, everyone seems to want to be special. Well sometimes being special isnt a great thing.
My dad (RIP) was as average as it gets. He scored high on tests, but had no pretenses. A man who enjoyed fishing, quite time, books, astronomy, dogs, cats, children and anything made with lemon in the recipe. A child of The Depression and a Korean War veteran... He died owning a nice home plus 80 acres free and clear, three cars (same), was still married to his first & only wife and had military & government pensions along with Savings (with a capital S). His greatest fear was that the bottom would fall out and he would lose everything he'd worked for, but that's a pretty standard fear.
I was at Raleigh that day. A Delta flight getting ready to push. Ground control told us the field was closed. I fly a Jump Plane for a Sky Diving operation not to far away on my days off. So I listened more then most other pilots. It was all, very, very confusing. It is a strange thing, the passion of youth. The passion that can accomplish so much, and, all to sadly, can end so much.
You also have to consider he likely knew he was overreacting, but anxiety is irrational. He decided, in the moment, to end his life because it was preferable to the upcoming weeks of panic attacks and mental anguish he would feel after landing.
I’ve had minor fender benders in my career and all I wanted to do was crawl under a rock and not exist anymore so I know where this guy is coming from. And I’m a woman in a field that was all men so it was even worse they were always looking for something to judge me on, they judged me every day. I’m so glad I’m away from those people once I left. I actually got healthy. I didn’t know how sick I was.
I've been flying for the airlines for over 35 years and I've always thought what other job would enjoy doing and I haven't come up with one yet. RIP First Officer Crooks.
I'm a 19yr working commercial pilot. This was 100% a career limiting event, especially considering post incident drug test. It would be mentally devastating.
I really like how you talked about things & put examples at the end where people can gain some Insite to themselves,.......alot to learn about others as well as yourself in this vid ,........Thx alot Dr.
I glanced at the screen really quickly at first and bc your black shirt blended in with the back of your chair I thought you were wearing a hoodie and I had to do a double take! My split second thought was, "wow, Dr Grande is really changing things up lately!" LOL!
Always loved when you conceptualize personality with the five factor model. Wish you went back to it more often. Your closing analysis of the extremes of each trait makes this one of your best videos.
I work in airborne geophysical surveys, these days I'm a data processing geophysicist and work at a desk but for the early part of my career I was field based flying in survey aircraft both fixed wing and helicopters. One of the tasks we have to do on every survey is a pre-survey calibration flight where we climb to 5 to 10 thousand feet above ground and perform a set of pitch-roll-yaw manoeuvres on all 4 headings, the results of this calibration are checked by the onboard operator and if it wasn't successfull it has to be repeated, in my early years in the industry I had to do this 100's of times. The manoeuvres, particularly the pitch manoeuvres with up and down g force can cause bad nausea if you're a passenger it used to make me feel extremely airsick and nauseous, I distinctly remember on one project where we couldn't get the calibration to work and had to repeat it multiple times I was feeling terribly airsick, sweating and holding down vomit, I remember looking out the window and thinking just how much I'd love to open the door and jump out of that damn aircraft and feel the nice fresh cold wind on my face as I fell to the ground. I mean I obviously didn't and wouldn't but airsickness is really awful you just want it to go away and I can only imagine how much worse the situation would feel while having a panic attack on top of that.
I have heard it said, and personally k ow it to be true, that there are two stages of air and se sickness. Stage 1 - You think you will die. Stage 2 - You wish you would die. That combined with his despondency about what had just happened was all tat was needed.
@7thsealord888 It's absolutely true you really can get to the point of just wanting to die it's such an awful feeling, whether on a boat or in an aircraft all you want is to get off and get back onto solid unmoving ground and lay down. But if you take control of the aircraft or boat the motion sickness goes away almost immediately, even though I am not a pilot I have thousands of hours in the cockpits of airplanes and helicopters and I can fly both, if we were on long ferries from project to project and I started to feel airsick the pilot would often let me take the controls for a while and immediately the air sickness would go away.
@@ats-3693 That's extremely interesting. Not that the option is likely to ever arise for me, but You Never Know. Tying in with what you said, I would infer that travel sickness can at least sometimes have a psychological component. My father was fond of ocean fishing, and one of the guys he often did so with was very prone to sea-sickness. So much so that, in one memorable instance, said guy actually got sea-sick before the boat had even left the wharf. Go figure. :)
I was a pilot and have boated and sailed my entire life. The sailor’s saying I’m familiar with about seasickness is as follows: 1. First you think you’re going to die. 2. Then you’re sure you’re going to die. 3. Then you’re afraid you’re not going to die. Imagine being out on the ocean during a storm and being seasick for a day or two. 😬
@@ats-3693 Love this observation. Loss of control-->air sickness. Now I want to know if those that get air/seasick would say they feel 'unsafe'. They've reached the point of not having a choice. Makes me think of a friend who got carsick sitting in the backseat, but not the passenger seat. Like they could grab the wheel, if it came to that!
Great work again Dr Grande! I really enjoyed the brief breakdown of the Big 5 Model. Do you have any videos that expand on the Big 5? I guess I'd love to check that out. Thank you for your analysis. Very detailed and to the point.
I was tickled to death to see you on a show on ID 🤘 I can’t help but to imagine the immediate regret Charles may have felt after jumping. Heartbreaking.
Wow, I really needed to see this episode since timing is everything…his closing comments hit hard and reminded me of a line in a John Mayer song “Twice as much ain’t twice as good, and can sustain like 1/2 could”.
I did a double-take after starting the video and setting my phone down, because as I glanced over I thought you were wearing a black hoodie, Dr. Grande. 😂 It caught me off guard and made me laugh, so thank you! I'd like to note, no hoodie hate here, I've just never seen Dr. Grande in one and didn't realize it would surprise me. 😂
Thanks to Dr. Grande for another interesting analysis and conclusion, and I agree with his odds of 20/80. Whether the young pilot fell or jumped, however, it is a tragic loss of life.
I am so glad you didn't shy aware from the obvious conclusion. With suicide still a taboo subject for many, society always seem to err on the side of not embarrassing the bereaved over the facts.
The young man died as a result of an accident. He may have jumped but the root cause was accidental damage to property , expectations, ego, and societal condemnation. Rip
Hi Dr. grande, I think people who experience panic attacks watch this video and say “yep that was definitely a panic attack.“ therefore the unspoken option number three is the glaringly true one to us.
I love the fact that you're logical when explaining this most people go off the deep end I wish someone could do as good as you regarding the facts on the JonBenet Ramsey autopsy
Thank you for this very good video. I like when you are talkimg about personality traits. I like when you are talking like you did in your old videos about psycoligy. And you did a very good take on this case.👌💜
I've had anxiety attacks about 3 times in my life where I felt like I was almost about to lose my mind but I was able to control it. I consciously had to supress it or else it would've taken over. It was scary and possibly a similar thing he had but he couldn't suppress it.
And part of that not wanting to make a mistake is because you don’t want to have to be confronted with someone else telling you what you did wrong and beating you up for it. We beat ourselves up enough and that someone else would see that we made a mistake is painful and humiliating he died from humiliation.
My 2 cents. Young guy, raised in a relatively affluent community [ I grew up in CT ], acquired a liberal arts degree [ of no particular value ] unrelated to his desire to fly, and struggled to obtain work in his chosen profession. I believe he had set standards and a timeline for his career status that was unreasonable and he hadn't met any of them. He also hadn't learned to cope with disappointment, and damaging the aircraft was the last straw as it were.
@@Baptized_in_Fire. Men like that don't become anything, they often check themselves out just at the cusp of achieving their goals no matter how haphazard and stumbley their journey was. The folks we should be worried about is those that slip through the cracks and stumble into being a cop or anything else before the failures took them out.
This new generation are fragile. No challenges. No grit. Just video games. Comfortable air conditioned cars. Not having to make a living to save yourself from living under the bridge… False sense of honor or misplaced sense of honor and values and what matters in life. Very sad story 😔
This was a very interesting story. The comments here are thought provoking as many people commenting are in the aviation field. Dr. Grande and his calm and concise dissection of events is excellent as always. 😊
One thing to consider is the "adrenaline dump" a person experiences after an extreme incident. Twenty minutes is just about enough time for that initial fight or flight response to wear off. This is usually accompanied by pretty strong feelings of one type or another as well as an overwhelming tiredness. I wonder if this had any part in the decision he made to jump.
Excellent analysis of this case, Dr. Grande! As a society, we want pilots to be level-headed and pragmatic and always in-control. And for the most part, we are (yes, I am one as well). We know the image that we are expected to project to the world, especially when under enormous (if sometimes self-imposed) pressure. This event points out that the brain is a marvelous, mysterious thing that sometimes defies the definitions set forth in psychiatric textbooks that usually only explain things after the fact and are often limited in their ability to predict people's actions in advance. Sometimes humans do crazy things that we just cannot explain because it is so out-of-character for them: Pilots typically don't jump out of perfectly good airplanes. And the damage to the CASA was not all that bad. This young copilot was obviously upset over damaging the plane - we all would be! Although the pilot-in-command doesn't say so outright, I'd bet that the copilot was becoming more and more anxious and agitated as the gravity of what happened sank in and he began considering the ramifications. And no matter how much he tried to "keep it together" and keep things under control, the emotional pressure became unbearable. In a way, i completely understand his actions. Although I have never damaged an aircraft, I would hope that if I did, I'd handle it better than that young pilot. But you never know...
I’m a pilot and I just want y’all that are saying “his career wasn’t over he could come back!” to know: No he couldn’t, not in a first world country. He was done.
I disagree. Charles was not acting as PIC. The PIC is solely responsible for the flight. The CASA requires a type rating to act as PIC. Charles was flying from the right seat under the direction of the PIC, but I doubt he held a type rating.
I'm a skydiver and pilot who has jumped from CASA 212's. They are actually my favorite jump aircraft. My guess is that he fell out the back trying to get to where he could throw up without getting it all over the cockpit. It appears that turbulence was responsible for the drop onto the runway that damaged the landing gear, so it was likely still turbulent as he headed quickly for the ramp to get sick. The CASA could have easily hit turbulence again just as he was getting to the ramp opening, and had the airplane basically remove itself from under him before he knew what was happening. One second he would be on the ramp, and the next second alone in freefall. As a skydiver, there is no way in the world I would go near the open ramp of a CASA without a parachute on my back. Especially on a turbulent flight. He was likely sick and emotionally upset, but I doubt if he jumped intentionally. BTW..pilots are often perfectionists. Most pilots are always trying to do the best landing they can, etc. And yes this incident was going to hurt his flying career, if not end it. It is a very unforgiving field of work. But I doubt if he ended his life over it.
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"Don't let the perfect get in the way of the good." Tragic. RIP Charles.
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I coached a nursing student (in shorter than ideal time) to place a fresh dressing on the wound before the patient left for the procedure off the nursing unit. We finished. I said “good! This dressing is good enough”. The patient exclaimed: “what do you mean *good enough?!!!*”. I said “not a
Blue Ribbon grade, but clean, timely and will hold well through your procedure”.
Exactly what you said 🙏🌿❤️
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Perfectionism is an enemy to productivity. It's best to be or do "good enough" and just get on with the job. You get a lot more done. I've found that this applies to housework, dieting, exercising, my career, and even parenting.
@@feanorian21maglor38so true but it’s the number one thing I struggle with. It comes off as lazy to people that simply don’t understand the desire and pressure to be perfect but sometimes I’m so anxious to get started and so afraid to not choose the best/perfect choice
Amen
Many years ago, I flew charter jets with a co-pilot who was incredibly nice. Great guy, highly focused, gentlemanly, kind, all the rest. A person you would be happy to have to dinner. He just wasn't very good at flying. Not terrible, but not very good. This was exacerbated by the fact that English wasn't his first language. On several occasions we had the conversation about "well, why did that happen? What could you have done differently?" Long story short, he overcame his deficiencies and became a well-respected and highly competent captain. I wish Charles had given himself that chance. It's not over until you give up.
I love this message! It made my day.
Reminds me of the doctor from Idiocracy whose wife became a pilot.
It’s not over until you give up ❤
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I agree; I think he focused on and dealt with the first emergency, but once it passed, he started ruminating about the results.
I discovered Dr. Grande about 5 years ago when I was finishing my doctorate and needed help with the SPSS statistical software I was using to analyze the data for my dissertation. His videos were so clear and concise and saved me weeks of anguish. I had no idea he would be one of my fav true crime analyzers several years later. Def multi-talented!!
Agreed. In my opinion, Dr. Grande is able to to deal with multiple cognitive streams.
Stop sucking up, it is unbecoming.
If you told me 8 years ago when I was watching his box plot tutorials that he would become my daily true crime asmr, I never would’ve believed you 😂
What. ? That’s not hard and he says many things even in this one that shock me. Not the smartest guy in the room, maybe educated but def thinks he is.
@@Deadfoot-Dancomplimenting someone is something you should do more, specially if your have free access to content they create and enjoy. Stop being you.
I think your assessment is spot on. For those people who struggle with mental health issues, your mind doesn’t typically calm down after an in event. Many actually spin up, running through all of the negative issues and possibilities. For them, it gets worse not better after a negative event.
Came to say the same thing. Super sad.
The pilot described it as he ran and "Superman jumped out the back of the plane". Needless to say the pilot had no doubts of intention
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And now you have encountered how an "expert opinion" can not be worth the paper it is written on.
I have to wonder why the third possibility isnt even weighed: Pilot threw copilot out the back of his plane for breaking it.
Not that I suspect this happened, but every conceivable rational possibility should be weighed.
I had actually heard the audio recording he was just disconcertingly nonchalant. And he was the only one left to tell the story. I wondered if something else had been the problem
@@wisdomsleuth77777yeah I noticed that, his co-pilot just game ended and he's acting like it's any other Tuesday to him. How many co-pilots have killed themselves around him that he's so unbothered by it?
The idea that he would not have waited 20min I have issues with. Sometimes it takes time to build out the worst-case scenario in your mind. You then project a future that you can't live with.
I was thinking the same myself. From my own experience, the more something is bothering me, the more worst case scenarios of "what ifs" enter my mind. The more fear I have, the worse it gets.
I agree, I think that's exactly what happened. You probably also need to build up some "courage" before you commit suicide by jumping out of a plane when you life was still totally in order 20 minutes earlier.
This I agree with.
Yes, I was going to comment the same thing. When I feel I’ve made an irrevocable mistake, and I sit and stew in my thoughts, sometimes my decision making skills are terrible. 😢
Occam's razor says he's a catastrophist (that explains his over-reactions) that was afraid of burning alive in a crash landing. He probably got increasingly worried with the talk of emergency crews and fire trucks getting into position. Also , the tone of the communication in the cockpit and with the tower would give valuable insight into what he might be thinking and feeling. Was the pilot panicked? Was there blame being thrown around? Those sorts of things.... Oh, and he likely had no idea he wasn't supposed to take Kratom. I doubt there's anyone that has memorized the entire list of forbidden substances.
Aviation saying:
_If you walk away from a landing, it was a good landing..._
_if the plane can fly again, it was a great landing._
If you can walk away from a jump without a parachute, it is a good landing, if not, try again.
If you walk away but others don’t then what kind of landing is it?
I think that was TWA’s motto.
@garyfrancis6193 😁
@@deandremiles4805 you're the only one who exited okay😅
I came here because I misread the title. (I thought it was about flying with nausea.) Very sad story, but since I'm here, I'll share my story anyway, though it's only peripherally related. It was a pleasure flight with my fiancee in the passenger seat of a rented Skyhawk. I dropped down to 500' AGL and flew several tight circles (45 degree bank) around our house while she took pictures. Around and around... Suddenly I had to get back to the airport ASAP. I'd never been airsick before, and the sudden nausea and anxiety were made worse by the fact that I was the only one who could fly the plane, and we were low & slow. We were 20 miles out, and I couldn't get on the ground fast enough. They say it's better to be on the ground wishing you were flying than flying and wishing you were on the ground. So true.
As someone who also struggles with anxiety, I think your analysis is spot on. I wouldn't be surprised if he was brought up in a home where perfection was expected of him, or else there would be harsh consequences.
Please take your meds as prescribed.
@@lesliewoinarowicz7018😂😂😂
@@lesliewoinarowicz7018oh yes like the Covid vaccine?
I say do research and be your own advocate do not blindly trust any doctor alone .
Sorry but this young man is gone and I find your comment very condescending I doubt you have ever suffered from chronic mental illness.
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Your point being?
He was not prescribed this drug. So what is the point here?
You just described a very large population
I can relate to that dramatic change in demeanour. When the insecurities and self-hatred kick in, it can feel like falling into freezing water.
Yes , ditto 😢
Agree! 😢
I'm a commercially rated pilot and flight instructor. Mr. Crooks no doubt saw this as an event that would keep him from working as a pilot. It's a very small community, in terms of numbers. He probably saw this as the equivalent of an athlete having a career-ending injury. Some people can live with that idea. I'm thinking that the damage to the gear would humiliate him among his peers, and keep him from having another flying job. It is more than possible that he could not live with that outcome, literally.
Too fragile to be a pilot but there is always video games!
As a student pilot who’s just beginning ground school I can’t wrap my head around why someone would think their entire career is over after a single botched landing. I’ve seen 737 pilots slam landings so bad their tires fall off when carrying 180 passengers. They don’t just throw in the towel and think I’ll never fly again. Every mistake you can take away something, it’s not the end of the world.
@@evanm6739 Exactly, old ‘ART’ here above, being a instructor and all, suspiciously is not clarifying wether the insurance isn’t paying for the damage and the associated responsibility. There’s so much holes and gaps ole art leaves. At his knowledge and instruction ya know.
So I’m a 17yr airline employee ground ramp ape in San Diego and I don’t see this as such a problem.
This is mentall illness resulting in grossly over assumed costs and peers embarrassment and the co pilot did a horrible job at mitigating the guys mental at the time, part of your job is to help keep the coworkers in check,
If you see a co worker potentially ramping up to shoot the boss, same as jumping out a plane killing one’s self in suicide.
Lame!
@@hoopslaa5235 Old 'ART' is correct. The gear incident ended or severely limited his career chances as a professional pilot. Know that the pilots flying airliners likely don't have a history blemished with incidents resulting in broken aircraft that were their fault.
@@evanm6739 " I’ve seen 737 pilots slam landings so bad their tires fall off when carrying 180 passengers." BS. When and where. Such incidents would require investigations, and reports, by the NTSB. Where are the reports to back your claim?
As someone with panic disorder and extremely high anxiety, I relate to this
But would you become a pilot with your condition? I don't think so.
Waiting 20 minutes before doing what he did makes perfect sense to me. For some of us the more we think about something, the more we catastrophise and come up with a mounting list of negative consequences that will impact us going forward. He was probably spiralling, believing his career was over and he’d never recover from this. Add to that his fear that his drug use would be discovered, I totally believe what he did was deliberate.
True. Fear and anxiety create a downward spiral.
This is something that needs to be addressed professionally. Not excuse it away as something that just happens.
Kratom is part of the coffee family and doesn't get you high, there's a lot of prescription medication that can't be taken while flying a plane. If you aren't in perfect heath you get grounded immediately. I've taken kratom for years because of the rollercoaster of pain medicine and anxiety meds. There was a march on Washington in 2017 to keep it on the market because it actually helps people get off opioids, Washington agreed but it's not FDA regulated. It's legal supplements that's sold everywhere in the US.
No matter how much it pays or how much your employer claims you are all family... no job is worth taking your life over. It's sad he felt there was no other way out.
Especially over a smallish incident like that. If he had killed someone then that level of guilt could make sense but it's a landing gear dude
We need an independent identity outside of our work. I think our employers claim we're family as an emotionally manipulative tactic to make it harder for us to leave.
@@carpathianken Totally agree. I found many people confused/betrayed after their loyalty to a company disappears if the company goes out of business or massive layoffs occur (think Boeing right now). People with perfectionist attitudes hard-wired into their personalities usually cannot be talked out of their rigid thinking. It's all or nothing. Retirement also may cause loss of identity - one main reason why people (especially men) die shortly after retiring. Everyone needs a second identity such as an alternative occupation or hobbies.
@@justaguy5770 His career was over at that point and he might have been held financially liable for the repairs.
@@carpathianken Just keep in mind that you're "family" who they will lay off or fire without a second thought.
Rest in peace Pilot Charles. May you find the crystal clear, calm skies that all pilots desire.
Well said
Respectfully, it is clear that most comments here do not understand the incredible amount of time, effort, and money it takes to become a pilot....and how one mistake can end your career and *all* of that time, effort, and money spent with nothing to show for it. Some speculate his home upbringing expected perfection of him all the time; this may indeed be true, but it is clear that people underestimate the significant investment required to become a pilot. I am not saying his (potentially intentional) actions were justified, but that it is much more complex than 'anxiety' or 'performance pressure.'
Dr. Grande, it would be great to see you do an interview/discussion with a current or retired NTSB Human Factors Specialist regarding this interesting case. Wishing everyone a happy and healthy new year. 💚
@@consortiumxf one mistake will not end your career.
Pilots are humans, they are susceptible to making mistakes. This industry recognizes this and in many cases additional training is required to address deficiencies.
Most insurance companies ask if a pilot has had any incidents in the past 5 years.
Do not perpetuate the misconception that one mistake will ruin your career. It’s simply not true.
@@captain_cgc2413 Please reread my comment - it states "how one mistake *can* end your career" not *will* end your career. There are so many different mistakes (and various levels of severity) in aviation, there is no way I could state that one mistake will end your career.
@@consortiumxf the entire context of your statement signifies very severe consequences, the can/will really makes no difference to the message you convey.
Obviously all circumstances are different and there may very well be career ending situations that occur.
However, misjudgment of the flare does not classify as a career ending mistake.
If a pilot acts maliciously or shows a blatant disregard for the regulations or safety, then I can see justification for career ending action against him/her.
You would be shocked at the stupid things pilots have done and continue on with very successful careers.
I don’t want to discourage people from considering a career as a pilot by creating the impression that we need to be perfect with 100% performance all the time.
100% performance is always the goal, but we humans fall short sometimes.
I’ve had to end careers. I’ve flown with individuals whose careers I should have ended given their behavior and attitude towards safety, but these were extreme situations.
@@consortiumxf I think there is a more important issue here than what it takes to become a pilot. Thousands of pilots make mistakes every day and tha vast majority don't jump out of the plane, or in rare cases take the plane and everyone on the plane with them. The elephant in the room is mental health and how that can be a serious safety factor in aviation. You have a individual here who was reportedly exhibiting unusually high levels of frustration and anxed in the face of the slightest hint of pressure. Not exactly a desired trait for someone in control of a machine that (by it's very nature) will consistently test it's operators mental integrity with extreme amounts of pressure from time to time. Charles probably shouldn't have been allowed on the flight deck of a commercial aircraft, (based on those aforementioned observations by those around him) in my opinion. The saving grace her is thank God his mental breakdown didn't spill over into a mass casualty event shrouded in a mushroom cloud. It may be demanding and stressful but that's the point. Not everyone was wired to take on the serious task of becoming a safe and proficient pilot.
I have a high degree of anxiety; this has been true my entire life. I can absolutely believe that this young man let the implications of this error fester and compound in his head for 20 minutes and drive him to suicide. I think there is almost zero probability it was otherwise.
In a military aircraft like a C-130 or a C-17 you don't go anywhere near an open ramp unless you are wearing either a parachute or a safety harness. For one thing its very windy with the ramp opened and the air swirls around in the cargo compartment. If Charles had any intention of going anywhere near the open ramp either to vomit or to see the damage to the plane one would think he would not have done so without taking proper safety precautions. He probably jumped out.
Generally, you don't even move around of the backs open
I still think he tripped over his untied shoelaces as his body revealed an untied shoe.
@@lesliewoinarowicz7018I thought about that being a possibility, if the copilot hadn't made it clear " he jumped out the back"...and doing it right after apologizing. This young man was exceedingly hard on himself
A pilot with an untied shoe, LOL
this was an accident. he literally tripped over his own shoelace.
Great program! Love Dr. Grande’s perspectives and analysis.
I have empathy for this poor pilot who must have been suffering terribly in his last few minutes.
Our hearts should also go out to the other officer on board, who probably has suffered terribly to experience this tragic occurrence.
I am really digging this channel. The way you go about breaking down these situations is strangely calming…
It's so sad that such a young man (only 23) with his entire life ahead of him, and the time he still had to go into a different career field, would end his life over this. 😢
Yep the idea of dedicating everything to a career path is a bad one.
I can't even imagine it. I went to college expecting to become a veterinarian. In the end, I changed my major twice, never worked in a vet clinic aside from one short-lived high school gig, held multiple other jobs that had nothing to do with my area of study, and finally I have settled in a call center with no intention of leaving. No one was more surprised than me. It is for a veterinary company, so at least it's related and my education didn't completely go to waste. However, if you had told me at the beginning of my journey that I would end up a cubicle worker, I would probably JOKE about taking a flying leap out of a plane with no parachute, but I certainly wouldn't do it! Sometimes life isn't always a bowl of cherries and we just don't get our way... baffling...
It’s also sad that there are such weak and petty people running the aviation industry that they are incapable of accepting that mistakes happen.
@@chrisnoname2725thats not true. Tons of pilots esp new ones make similar mistakes and still fly again.
I believe this poor sweet man suffered from the "wait until you get home" scenario. Most every person has had their parents tell them while misbehaving that when they get home they will be punished and the car ride home as a child, sweating the punishment is usually far worse than the actual punishment.
I think even as an adult knowing I’m in trouble for something but not knowing what I actually did is one of the most paranoia inducing things I could ever be made to endure. I hate it. Just tell me what’s wrong you drama queen. It wastes my time, it unnecessarily worries me, and it pisses me off.
@@VidelxSpopovich absolutely 👍 agree
Spoken like a man who has had to endure an HR meeting or two loll, or maybe im just projecting:) @VidelxSpopovich
High anxiety
Where did you get "poor" and "sweet"? He is a grown adult that is capable of facing the consequences of his actions. Failure to do so does not make someone "poor" or "sweet"
This is such a PTSD to the first pilot. Much sympathy to the 51yo 🙏🥺
@@ArtU4All most pilots are difficult to cause such things. We tend to compartmentize such things or it becomes a distraction. It can affect mental reflex, decision making and overall situational awareness. Any kind of tragedy or loss can cause ptsd. Divorce, bankruptcy, death in family, etc. When a pilot steps onboard, its purely focus, professional, sharp, skills, guts & talent. When fear & panic isnt even a remote possibility. No emotional baggage can be carried on board.
Imagine the homeowner that found him.
Thanks for presenting that. I retired from the government after three decades of flying as part of or all of my duties and am now just flying charters and instructing. I like your analysis of behavioral issues, especially as they pertain to aviation and criminal justice.
Your analysis sounds spot on. I related to alot of things when you described him. Including the kratom. He most likely was thinking about it while he relayed to the flight tower. 20mins of thinking can lead to alot of horrible thoughts.
Also. Kratom hasn't been added to the drug screen tests just yet. Or at least to the majority of them. I can even say for a hair follicle test that kratom isn't detected yet. Or at least for the one I had taken.
So sad. My mom worked for a tissue bank growing up taking tissues from deceased individuals for transplant. Sadly there was a rash of teenaged suicides that she had to perform when I was a teen, a lot of them due to breakups with their boyfriends/girlfriends. Right after my first heartbreak as a teenager I was severely depressed and due to what she had seen she was worried that I may be suicidal. So she sat me down and told me "Son, sometimes good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people. But you can always recover and you will always come back stronger. From almost everything... except death. Suicide is a long term solution to a short term problem. When you recover you will look back at this and think it trivial." Im now 41 with a wife and two kids and those words have stuck with me. While the thought of harming myself never entered into my mind, I do think back to those who did harm themselves. I think about everything they missed out on, not to mention the pain it caused to everyone who cared about them. It makes me sad that some people choose a long term solution to a short term problem.
nicely said
I can 100% relate to Charles! Perfectionism is like a black hole...
I’m really enjoying the “add on” dialogue after the case in point. I’d love to see you extend each video to include these mini lectures. I didn’t articulate my feelings and desire clearly due to residual brain farts after my stroke. Hope you can dig out what I’m trying to say.😊 👍Keep doing what you’re doing! How ‘bout that?!
I really appreciate your articulation of the English language. Very easy on the ear.
Loved the reflection on the 5 Factor Model in the last 3 minutes of this video. Keep up the great work!
Yep - that was particularly interesting!
If the pilot thought he jumped, I'll take his word for it. Context is everything, and he was the only one there.
Imagine a bumpy ride until your copilot jumps from the plane 😱
What if he was murdered?
The pilots cockpit voice recorder has been made publically available. I know you are being cautious with keeping all options open here, but the cockpit recording would suggest otherwise?
The moment the pilot realises he is in hysterics trying to pull himself together about what just happened and has to radio it in to which point the tower doesn't understand what he's saying and constantly misinterprets what the pilot is saying making the dude literally spell it out what has happened?
Notting in that recording suggested what you maybe thinking?
Even when the tower gave him emergency landing request it still hadn't registered to them that the co pilot didn't jump out because he joined the Sky divers previously on board....... No he departed without a parachute! The pilot actually says "do you want the coordinates for the body so that they could send out a search party to recover the dead body?"
The tower literally seemed confused and almost dismissive because that hadn't connected the dots about what had happened?
All I could feel was such sorrow for the pilot hearing how traumatic it was?
I encourage you to look it up.. It's on RUclips.
@@jameshatton4211 you're right.
@@jameshatton4211maybe I didn't get to listen to the entirety of it but when he exited the plane let's say at that point he did not sound extremely upset he sounded kind of nonchalant. That's how I remembered it. I'd be curious if there had been more to what I had heard
Wow! Dr. Grande
So much information in such a concise time! Thank you for your input. The mystery of this situation has baffled me. You gave great insight in “ what could be happening in a case like this“.❤
Thanks!
The FAA's position on mental health is to sweep it under the rug. Their zero tolerance policy forces pilots to hide struggles and self medicate rather than get professional help. And this makes flying less safe.
This is very backwards thinking. I'd rather have a pilot who's being treated (as long as he's stable) than one who's self-medicating.
Yeah, I agree. This isn't the only case of a pilot "losing it" seemingly out of nowhere. And some of the other cases involved pilots who were flying planes with passengers, which is scary to think about. I assume the reason he was taking Kratom in secret, especially because kratom is not realistically that helpful for anxiety and it's absolutely vile (like hard on your stomach, tastes disgusting if you don't take it in capsules, can make you vomit), is because the FAA would have 'let him go' if he had seen a psychiatrist about anxiety and been prescribed medications. I don't know much about it; are pilots not even allowed to take SSRIs?
Same in Teaching/Healthcare etc....
@@Throatzillaaa I just looked it up. The FAA has a list of approved antidepressants. Looks like the rules are pretty strict. I guess that's good? I have a friend who used to fly for fun, but can't fly anymore. He's on quite a cocktail of drugs now, but very stable. As stable as the next guy (and probably more so). He's very intelligent and it's a shame he isn't allowed to fly anymore. I would have enjoyed taking some flights with him.
@@jkjives1786 Yeah, they're getting better. Diabetes used to be a disqualifier. Then they allowed it under draconian conditions. Now for non-commercial flying it isn't that big of a deal. The FAA has even allowed flying if you qualify medically under a driver's license for non-commercial flying and some other conditions. But mental health is still a huge roadblock.
Dr. Grande, likely your very best video. Truly excellent.
Concise, relatable, thought provoking, but easy to digest. I'll spend my day thinking on this, which is absolutely meant as a compliment since stimulating genuine thought is one of the highest goals in life.
Love you Dr. Grande ! Seriously love the tone of your voice it gives my anxiety ridden brain a chance to listen to this kind of content without being totally overwhelmed ❤❤❤.
You don’t slow down, sir. Doc Grande: hardest working Doctor on YT.
I really enjoy this new format of video. Discussing the issues particular to each cases in a more expanded way is helpful and interesting. Thank you, Dr. Grande!
I agree! The stuff at the ends of vids is valuable for teaching the public more about psychology. This is in total contrast to the YT entrepreneurs that have experienced personal mental health challenges and turned that into lucrative life coaching gigs without any real training.
Agree - it is like a bonus after class tutorial
Thank you Dr. Grande for covering this case. Very sad. Prayers to the family and friends of Charles Crooks. ❤🙏🏾
I really enjoy the talks at the end of the show where you explain personally traits and how they affect behavior.
That conclusion was the best discussion on
the flexibility of various personality characteristics and how it affects job performance I have heard...Im a retired clinical psych professor and Jordan Peterson, himself a developer of the 5 Factor Theory who worked on it , has never described it better for a general viewer. THERE IS NO IDEAL personality type they each have their strengths except when one or two factors is/are extreme...it isnt such a bad thing to be a middle of the road sort of person. People talk alot about exceptionalism. Average is disdained by many, everyone seems to want to be special. Well sometimes being special isnt a great thing.
Excellent point.
Is there a good level/amount of trait neuroticism?
My dad (RIP) was as average as it gets. He scored high on tests, but had no pretenses. A man who enjoyed fishing, quite time, books, astronomy, dogs, cats, children and anything made with lemon in the recipe. A child of The Depression and a Korean War veteran... He died owning a nice home plus 80 acres free and clear, three cars (same), was still married to his first & only wife and had military & government pensions along with Savings (with a capital S). His greatest fear was that the bottom would fall out and he would lose everything he'd worked for, but that's a pretty standard fear.
The stress was too much. Poor dude. It was not that serious brother. RIP
I was at Raleigh that day. A Delta flight getting ready to push. Ground control told us the field was closed. I fly a Jump Plane for a Sky Diving operation not to far away on my days off. So I listened more then most other pilots. It was all, very, very confusing.
It is a strange thing, the passion of youth. The passion that can accomplish so much, and, all to sadly, can end so much.
*too far *more than
You also have to consider he likely knew he was overreacting, but anxiety is irrational. He decided, in the moment, to end his life because it was preferable to the upcoming weeks of panic attacks and mental anguish he would feel after landing.
I’ve had minor fender benders in my career and all I wanted to do was crawl under a rock and not exist anymore so I know where this guy is coming from. And I’m a woman in a field that was all men so it was even worse they were always looking for something to judge me on, they judged me every day. I’m so glad I’m away from those people once I left. I actually got healthy. I didn’t know how sick I was.
That's a sad story. Charles sounds like a remarkable man.
This was very helpful in understanding personality traits ❤😊
I've been flying for the airlines for over 35 years and I've always thought what other job would enjoy doing and I haven't come up with one yet. RIP First Officer Crooks.
I'm a 19yr working commercial pilot. This was 100% a career limiting event, especially considering post incident drug test. It would be mentally devastating.
The confusion the other pilot must have felt, wild. Great episode, Doc.
Well, at least he didn't get the _exceedingly creepy_ label.
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That is very true xD
Got to know "when to hold em, and when to fold em". I especially liked the lesson in the last few minutes; fascinating stuff.
My 10-year-old patient just went down for a nap, so this is perfect timing for me. Thank you, Dr. Grande, you are good for my mental health ❤️
Happy New Year Dr Grande.
Nice Dr. Grande! Love your analyses!
I really like how you talked about things & put examples at the end where people can gain some Insite to themselves,.......alot to learn about others as well as yourself in this vid ,........Thx alot Dr.
How sad😢😢😢We learn so much from you Doc, thank you❤❤❤
For a moment, I thought.. Doc had a hoodie on 😂
ME TOO LOL !
Same! 😂😂😂
Dr. Grande sells a hoodie in his merchandise.
Exactly me too...
After I read your comment I scrolled down and the first thing that popped up was a hoodie advertisement
I glanced at the screen really quickly at first and bc your black shirt blended in with the back of your chair I thought you were wearing a hoodie and I had to do a double take! My split second thought was, "wow, Dr Grande is really changing things up lately!" LOL!
Always loved when you conceptualize personality with the five factor model. Wish you went back to it more often. Your closing analysis of the extremes of each trait makes this one of your best videos.
I work in airborne geophysical surveys, these days I'm a data processing geophysicist and work at a desk but for the early part of my career I was field based flying in survey aircraft both fixed wing and helicopters. One of the tasks we have to do on every survey is a pre-survey calibration flight where we climb to 5 to 10 thousand feet above ground and perform a set of pitch-roll-yaw manoeuvres on all 4 headings, the results of this calibration are checked by the onboard operator and if it wasn't successfull it has to be repeated, in my early years in the industry I had to do this 100's of times. The manoeuvres, particularly the pitch manoeuvres with up and down g force can cause bad nausea if you're a passenger it used to make me feel extremely airsick and nauseous, I distinctly remember on one project where we couldn't get the calibration to work and had to repeat it multiple times I was feeling terribly airsick, sweating and holding down vomit, I remember looking out the window and thinking just how much I'd love to open the door and jump out of that damn aircraft and feel the nice fresh cold wind on my face as I fell to the ground. I mean I obviously didn't and wouldn't but airsickness is really awful you just want it to go away and I can only imagine how much worse the situation would feel while having a panic attack on top of that.
I have heard it said, and personally k ow it to be true, that there are two stages of air and se sickness.
Stage 1 - You think you will die.
Stage 2 - You wish you would die.
That combined with his despondency about what had just happened was all tat was needed.
@7thsealord888 It's absolutely true you really can get to the point of just wanting to die it's such an awful feeling, whether on a boat or in an aircraft all you want is to get off and get back onto solid unmoving ground and lay down. But if you take control of the aircraft or boat the motion sickness goes away almost immediately, even though I am not a pilot I have thousands of hours in the cockpits of airplanes and helicopters and I can fly both, if we were on long ferries from project to project and I started to feel airsick the pilot would often let me take the controls for a while and immediately the air sickness would go away.
@@ats-3693 That's extremely interesting. Not that the option is likely to ever arise for me, but You Never Know.
Tying in with what you said, I would infer that travel sickness can at least sometimes have a psychological component. My father was fond of ocean fishing, and one of the guys he often did so with was very prone to sea-sickness. So much so that, in one memorable instance, said guy actually got sea-sick before the boat had even left the wharf. Go figure. :)
I was a pilot and have boated and sailed my entire life. The sailor’s saying I’m familiar with about seasickness is as follows:
1. First you think you’re going to die.
2. Then you’re sure you’re going to die.
3. Then you’re afraid you’re not going to die.
Imagine being out on the ocean during a storm and being seasick for a day or two. 😬
@@ats-3693 Love this observation. Loss of control-->air sickness. Now I want to know if those that get air/seasick would say they feel 'unsafe'. They've reached the point of not having a choice. Makes me think of a friend who got carsick sitting in the backseat, but not the passenger seat. Like they could grab the wheel, if it came to that!
I agree he had high anxiety and most likely why he jumped. Very sad he got to that point & sad no way out. Great analysis for us again. Thanks Dr G😊💞💞
Doc, one of your best video to date.
Great work again Dr Grande! I really enjoyed the brief breakdown of the Big 5 Model.
Do you have any videos that expand on the Big 5? I guess I'd love to check that out.
Thank you for your analysis. Very detailed and to the point.
I was tickled to death to see you on a show on ID 🤘
I can’t help but to imagine the immediate regret Charles may have felt after jumping. Heartbreaking.
Wow, I really needed to see this episode since timing is everything…his closing comments hit hard and reminded me of a line in a John Mayer song “Twice as much ain’t twice as good, and can sustain like 1/2 could”.
I did a double-take after starting the video and setting my phone down, because as I glanced over I thought you were wearing a black hoodie, Dr. Grande. 😂 It caught me off guard and made me laugh, so thank you!
I'd like to note, no hoodie hate here, I've just never seen Dr. Grande in one and didn't realize it would surprise me. 😂
Is it not a hoodie? Lol I thought it was too
I thought it was a hoodie too!
The postscripts at the end are always the best part of the vid.
Thanks to Dr. Grande for another interesting analysis and conclusion, and I agree with his odds of 20/80. Whether the young pilot fell or jumped, however, it is a tragic loss of life.
I am so glad you didn't shy aware from the obvious conclusion. With suicide still a taboo subject for many, society always seem to err on the side of not embarrassing the bereaved over the facts.
The young man died as a result of an accident. He may have jumped but the root cause was accidental damage to property , expectations, ego, and societal condemnation. Rip
Great analysis Dr G. Thank you for being comprehensive.
Excellent video!!!
very informative- I enjoy the way Dr G uses a real life example to illustrate a theory..
Hi Dr. grande, I think people who experience panic attacks watch this video and say “yep that was definitely a panic attack.“ therefore the unspoken option number three is the glaringly true one to us.
Loved the discussion of personality traits at the end of the video.
Thank you Dr. Happy holidays!!!!
The postlude explanation of how the levels of the 5 factor model work is very helpful. Thank you, Dr. Grande.
Thank you for your analysis, Dr. Grande!
Sad that a young man's life was cut short, specially if he did it for fear of the consequences he'd face.
I enjoyed the additional expansion on OCEAN relevant to the case and vocation. Great video.
I love the fact that you're logical when explaining this most people go off the deep end I wish someone could do as good as you regarding the facts on the JonBenet Ramsey autopsy
Whether it was done on purpose or not,it’s just so sad what happened to that poor young man 😢
Tragic
Thank you for this very good video. I like when you are talkimg about personality traits. I like when you are talking like you did in your old videos about psycoligy. And you did a very good take on this case.👌💜
I've had anxiety attacks about 3 times in my life where I felt like I was almost about to lose my mind but I was able to control it. I consciously had to supress it or else it would've taken over. It was scary and possibly a similar thing he had but he couldn't suppress it.
Dr Grande I have always bern fascinated by flying and aviation and appreciate your analysis of both the flying and the people involved!
I found myself highly tuned into that last summing up of the personality spectrum! That was especially well defined and interesting.
I love your videos and breakdown of a situation. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and humor.
And part of that not wanting to make a mistake is because you don’t want to have to be confronted with someone else telling you what you did wrong and beating you up for it. We beat ourselves up enough and that someone else would see that we made a mistake is painful and humiliating he died from humiliation.
The fall from the plane didn't kill him , It was the sudden stop that got him . Happens every time .
My 2 cents. Young guy, raised in a relatively affluent community [ I grew up in CT ], acquired a liberal arts degree [ of no particular value ] unrelated to his desire to fly, and struggled to obtain work in his chosen profession. I believe he had set standards and a timeline for his career status that was unreasonable and he hadn't met any of them. He also hadn't learned to cope with disappointment, and damaging the aircraft was the last straw as it were.
so he snapped? probable.
remember a guy from h.s. wanted to be LE. Got a dui.
Thought life was over. Committed suicide.
@@timewa851at least he didn't end up a cop. Lol
@@Baptized_in_Fire. Men like that don't become anything, they often check themselves out just at the cusp of achieving their goals no matter how haphazard and stumbley their journey was.
The folks we should be worried about is those that slip through the cracks and stumble into being a cop or anything else before the failures took them out.
Yeah delusional and fragile. Not a good combo.
This new generation are fragile. No challenges. No grit. Just video games. Comfortable air conditioned cars. Not having to make a living to save yourself from living under the bridge… False sense of honor or
misplaced sense of honor and values and what matters in life.
Very sad story 😔
I enjoyed the last segment explaining different personality traits. Very informative.
An in depth educational video on the 5 factor model would be extremely interesting.
~boB
This was a very interesting story. The comments here are thought provoking as many people commenting are in the aviation field. Dr. Grande and his calm and concise dissection of events is excellent as always. 😊
One thing to consider is the "adrenaline dump" a person experiences after an extreme incident. Twenty minutes is just about enough time for that initial fight or flight response to wear off. This is usually accompanied by pretty strong feelings of one type or another as well as an overwhelming tiredness. I wonder if this had any part in the decision he made to jump.
I especially enjoyed this one. Very interesting and informative.
we pilots tend to be very hard on ourselves with pretty much everything in life, and flying is everything.
Excellent analysis of this case, Dr. Grande! As a society, we want pilots to be level-headed and pragmatic and always in-control. And for the most part, we are (yes, I am one as well). We know the image that we are expected to project to the world, especially when under enormous (if sometimes self-imposed) pressure. This event points out that the brain is a marvelous, mysterious thing that sometimes defies the definitions set forth in psychiatric textbooks that usually only explain things after the fact and are often limited in their ability to predict people's actions in advance. Sometimes humans do crazy things that we just cannot explain because it is so out-of-character for them: Pilots typically don't jump out of perfectly good airplanes. And the damage to the CASA was not all that bad.
This young copilot was obviously upset over damaging the plane - we all would be! Although the pilot-in-command doesn't say so outright, I'd bet that the copilot was becoming more and more anxious and agitated as the gravity of what happened sank in and he began considering the ramifications. And no matter how much he tried to "keep it together" and keep things under control, the emotional pressure became unbearable. In a way, i completely understand his actions. Although I have never damaged an aircraft, I would hope that if I did, I'd handle it better than that young pilot. But you never know...
The jumping out part reminded me of that Bill Burr joke about that helicopter pilot that also jumped out "WTF! WTF! WTF!" 😂
That was a true story. Big fan.
I’m a pilot and I just want y’all that are saying “his career wasn’t over he could come back!” to know: No he couldn’t, not in a first world country. He was done.
I did not realize piloting was so competitive--what are the best ways to get an edge in aviation?
He was cooked.
I disagree. Charles was not acting as PIC. The PIC is solely responsible for the flight. The CASA requires a type rating to act as PIC. Charles was flying from the right seat under the direction of the PIC, but I doubt he held a type rating.
What's a type rating?
@@nathanfoss2838 Experience in flying that particular plane.
At 8:39, the auto captions say the drug is disqualifying for Pilates. That's one heck of a drug!
*Pilates - love spell check!
Excellent analysis, thanks for sharing.
I'm a skydiver and pilot who has jumped from CASA 212's. They are actually my favorite jump aircraft.
My guess is that he fell out the back trying to get to where he could throw up without getting it all over the cockpit. It appears that turbulence was responsible for the drop onto the runway that damaged the landing gear, so it was likely still turbulent as he headed quickly for the ramp to get sick. The CASA could have easily hit turbulence again just as he was getting to the ramp opening, and had the airplane basically remove itself from under him before he knew what was happening. One second he would be on the ramp, and the next second alone in freefall.
As a skydiver, there is no way in the world I would go near the open ramp of a CASA without a parachute on my back. Especially on a turbulent flight. He was likely sick and emotionally upset, but I doubt if he jumped intentionally.
BTW..pilots are often perfectionists. Most pilots are always trying to do the best landing they can, etc. And yes this incident was going to hurt his flying career, if not end it. It is a very unforgiving field of work. But I doubt if he ended his life over it.