@@StallyFitthe daughter was away for several hours and didn't even bother calling the grandmother to check if the baby girl was okay, if she did maybe the baby would still be alive. It's her fault too
The fact that she is not taking ANY RESPONSIBILITY at all, shows how self absorbed she is. She clearly is always just thinking about her wants. She wanted to take a nap. You can’t take a nap when you’re babysitting. She wanted to go to lunch. Cancel your lunch plans when you’re babysitting. Give complete focus to the child. The reason why these babies keep dying is because she keeps doing selfish acts while babysitting.
Yup Weird to think she was driving home from picking up one of her surviving grandkids the same year she squished the other one, and forgot she had the beebee in the car. Wasn't talking at her? Wasn't planning on feeding or changing or playing with her once home? Wasn't thinking about her brother? At all? Really?
Really!!! I couldn’t believe she took a nap and worse I couldn’t believe that she took the poor baby out to lunch with a bunch of friends! Why didn’t she cancel the luncheon and enjoy the child when she had a chance??? This woman may have been a principal in a school, but I can’t imagine that she ever would have been a very good teacher!!
I heard in a survival advice: Look in the most dangerous places first (pond in this case, or refrigerators, construction sites, holes and such), before moving your search to lesser dangerous places, like driving around in the neighborhood. It is good advice. I pray, I will never need it.
@@venderstrat I totally agree-except the little ones that died were before that school age. And clearly, neither mom nor grandma were aware of psychology/mental health changes that were occurring. I’m 68 almost 69, trust me when I tell you it alllll sneaks up on you!❤️
That’s exactly what I thought and I also feel bad for them being on a jury is already a difficult thing to do because of the responsibility and they are going to feel someway after finding that out and they are definitely innocent in this situation that’s really unfair imo
Especially after Tracy allegedly earlier dining out IN COMPANY - where was the child during this time?!? Maybe already in the car, for an even longer duration? Something is very off here, IN MY OPINION.
Exactly.being the cause of death by neglect once would make most never want to babysit again.The babies mother is also neglectful by leaving them with her mother.
Yep. When watching news stories about parents who've left their children in their hot cars over the years, I always felt like I couldn't live with myself if I'd done that. It would be a life of hell knowing that I'd done that.
My mother left my father when he got sick. My grandparents, (her mother & father) deemed getting ill to be a weakness & they started terrorising & raping my sisters while my mother sat back & did nothing. My dad ultimately died after battling leukaemia for 8 years. My sisters got paid out crimes compensation money, but it's obviously effected them & my brother I significantly. Family, including grandparents can be absolutely heartless & sadistic to their own grandchildren
At my Grandmother’s home, the small child of visitors walked away from his mother. My Grandmother had warned the mother of the dangers of the pond, but when my Grandmother went inside to get lemonade, the mother let him wander off. The little boy drowned. Even though it wasn’t my Grandmother’s fault, she felt guilty. My Grandmother was OBSESSED with safety. She held my hand walking down the stairs far longer than I needed. She watched the pool like a hawk. She was very careful how we played with toys. She made sure doors were locked. She checked on us many times a night when we slept over. Once a child dies tragically, you become hyper vigilant. How could the Grandmother not have been INSANELY vigilant the very first time she babysat her new grandchild? I struggle with that.
I agree. My husband and I had an extremely scary experience with our two year old who wondered outside of our holiday cottage whilst we were on holiday. We were very lucky that another family found him and returned him safely to us. We both felt exceptionally guilty we had not locked the cabin door. Going forward we have been extra vigilant about making sure the front door is locked and keeping a close eye on him in general (and his sisters). Anyone can make a mistake, but the point is that if you have an scary experience like this with a child (or, god forbid a tragedy) I don't understand why you would not learn from it and be super vigilant going forward.
@@sarahdingwall3024 Oh yes, I know the adrenaline rush which you must have experienced! Some mistakes must only be allowed to occur once in a lifetime, but best to avoid them at all, if possible. *Something is very off with this case, and we IMO do not know enough/ everything we would need to know to reach a valid conclusion.* I for one hope to get a follow-up!!! For me the *mugshot* is a dead (pun, but not fun, intended) giveaway. [Life experience in the same vein: Our then four yo. daughter suddenly wandered off on a very populous beach in Italy which my then husband knew very well. For me it was the first visit, and I was busy with getting my bearings, so he had agreed to be in charge watching her. The sea there is mostly extremely shallow, but there also are some deep stretches, where she could have drowned, because she was too young for swimming, as it was also her first time at the seaside. What I feared the most was her being snatched and taken away, because she always resisted my attempts to make her more attentive to her circumstances, and less friendly to strangers (I nearly despaired over this!), as she was a cute snub-nosed blondie at the time, and the epitome of an abduction victim. I cried my heart out and walked the mile-long beach several times up and down, my eyes peeled for my little stump of obstinacy. I already picutred how we would need to buy a coffin, or even bury her in a foreign country, if something happened to her! THANK GOD for the coincidence that she went straightaway to some of the very few German-speaking persons on this beach - two very nice women who also came from Switzerland like us, and who took it upon them to in turn look for her parents. I was so grateful for those two friendly strangers who watched my wayward offspring, but I was mad at her, and even more so at my ex-hb, who had neglected his duty, because he was too confident that she would not be able to vanish in mere seconds (my poor faculties to choose a partner are blatantly evident...). I WILL NEVER FORGET HOW UTTERLY DEJECTED I FELT! The anxiety caused me physical pain, and if it had been my fault that she absconded, I would have thrown myself into the sea for it. I can not understand that this "grandmother" was trusted a second time with the life of a precious grandchild! And as a mom - if I really needed to go to the hairdresser, I would have taken my child with me, as I always did, because I had nobody to do the babysitting!]
After listening to this for a second time I realized that the grandmother and the grandfather were in the house when the first baby died. After the grandmother felt asleep the grandfather decided to go out and do some errands... so even though I feel anger towards the grandmother for causing both deaths by mistakes, I don't think it is fair to put all blame in the first case only on her. The grandfather could have taken the baby with him or stayed because he knew his wife was asleep. This poor babies had the worst grandparents in the world.
Nope. You women...oh my. Just cant be held accountable, yes ? Must be in the female DNA. The toddler was left with the grandmother to babysit. Grandfather went and did some errands...and you want to partially blame the grandfather? You're a silly, foolish woman. Grow up.
This keeps coming up for me too. The husband knew she had the second baby as well and he was on the property when she was dying in the car. I mean, I get that she was the one who agreed, not him, but parenting of any child MUST be a dual effort. Did he not notice that the baby wasn’t with her in the house? Women need to demand help in the household.
The jury didn't want to throw away an old white lady's life away. They presumed she was innocent and never were convinced by the prosecutor that this was some premeditated act.
There was a tik tok family that I saw where the young daughter almost drowned. She recovered, and like 2 years later, they announced she was hit and killed by a car in front of their house. All I could think was you are guilty of negligence if not more WTF!
Tracy remembered how to get to a restaurant to meet her friends… Remembered the time to meet her friends… Remembered her way home… Tracy remembered every day something that was required of her… She’s a liar and she hates her daughter.
Something has to be wrong with this woman. Early onset dementia perhaps? How can a person be so neglectful/forgetful otherwise when it comes to her grandbabies? I mean twice? Holy smokes.
An older relative once gave my 12 month old peanut butter when I had expressly told them NOT to do so. The baby broke out in hives and I had to run him to the doctor. That relative never was allowed to be with my kids unsupervised again even though we maintained a good relationship. Some people simply do not have the judgement to entrust your children with and Tracey is certainly one of those people. I can not believe that this woman is a former school teacher and principal. That is just appalling to me.
she might be getting senile, so she is making one mistake after another... I have got a lovely neighbor, she is an older lady and she was a school teacher and principal!!!! Unfortunately she has got dementia.
@@marthas.4456 Her friends seemed very sharp and observant. All of them are former school teachers. They saw Tracey at least once a week for prayer group and lunch afterwards at a restaurant of their choosing. I have a very hard time believing that one of the friends would agree to ride in a car with Tracey driving if she thought Tracey wasn't sharp, herself. And I can't imagine this group of ladies allowing Tracey to leave the restaurant and drive that baby home to her house unsupervised if they thought that Tracey was impaired or not thinking clearly.
Again utter garbage & testament to your entirely poor inductive reasoning process. There's no empirical evidence to support that this lady had NPD & I'm sure she had a full psyche evaluation & collateral history taken. People just luurrvvveee throwing these terms out these days with no regards to others.
Dr. Grande respectfully, you're tripping. You don't just fall asleep when you're responsible for a child that small nor would you forget a second grandchild when It's your first time seeing this grandchild. Especially considering what happened with one already. Like how can you not see that?
@ He believes Mia manipulated Dylan into saying she was abused. Dylan has repeatedly stated Miss did not plant the abuse idea in her mind and that Allen DID abuse her.
4:49 the fact she smiles in the mug shot.. she killed both children NEGLECT at leash my god this is so reckless not ONE child but TWO within a year my God my heart breaks for the mom can you imagine?? the awful news again back to back and now being childless after raising 2 babies wtf .. i hope the grandma realizes the pain she has caused
This mom had 2 other children at home. If someone had your child for 4 hours in the afternoon, wouldn’t you text or call just to see how they’re doing? If she had done so, grandma would have realized the baby was in the car. Perhaps that baby would have been alive now. Everyone failed this child that day.
I cannot imagine a lot of things, like continuing a relationship with Granny or allowing Granny to watch another of your innocent babies so you can go get a haircut.
I'm sorry. I'm a mom of 7 grown children and grandmother of 12. I have taken care of most of them plenty of times. The only incident under my watch was when a dog nipped my 2 year old grandson. He's nearly 13 now and I still feel upset and responsible for the event, in spite of the fact it was minor with no lasting effects. It made me become hyper cautious when caring for any of the children. I cannot fathom how such a tragedy could possibly happen twice. Something is not right with that woman and in my opinion, she belongs in prison.
Right. Im a single father of twins. Since birth. Ive never ever once forgot them any where especially in a car. Ridiculous that any grown adult could forget.
I know this won’t erase your guilt but I’m sure you did everything you could to protect him in that moment, I’m sure if it was possible to foresee the nip you’d do everything in your power to prevent it
Agreed. In the time the baby was in the car Tracey spoke with the child's mother and played the piano?! Sounds like she was taking some sadistic pleasure in it. There's no way talking to her daughter didn't remind her that her granddaughter was in her care. And this was presumably the first time she had ever been permitted to watch Uriel alone because she had caused the death of her older brother. I can't believe this was accidental.
Who goes DRIVING around FIRST when a toddler cannot be found? She should have looked immediately around the house before going elsewhere. That and not calling 911 immediately are why she’s responsible for Ezra’s death. It’s also a moronic defence that he hadn’t opened a door before, even if she could be sure that weren’t true. Toddlers learn multiple new skills every day - that’s how a two-year-old can do so much more than a one-year-old. Not having opened a door yesterday does not mean they won’t open one today.
Because she was covering up what she had done, that's why she went driving, then somehow her eyes are better than her memory and she spotted him in a pond from her car while driving, and why she never called 911. She got away with two deaths at her hands. Allegedly and in my opinion. Also, I'm just speculating. But, if something doesn't make sense, it's because it's not true. I think Dr Grande has made a lot of assumptions about this perpetrator, about her character and intentions, that don't line up with the facts that we know.
I agree. I think she looked around the house, but not the pond??? How far is a toddler going to go that you need to get in your car. Something doesn’t pass the smell test. If I had let two of my grand babies die on my watch I’d say lock me up!
Who takes a nap with a toddler in the house with no safety locks!?! Then she forgot the 2nd child in 90 degree heat!? No one is this absent minded. Jesus Christ. 😢
I agree I’ve got 6 and they are all very different but one thing that’s not is that I could and would never have been able to turn my back on them for two minutes at 18 months far less take a nap !
She was taking strong medications that cause sleepiness and memory issues, the baby's mother should know better than to let her babysit her small children
@@ShonaPeterson13 if it is an overnight sitting of your grandchild - you are supposed to be awake 24/7???? Not realistic. Granddad was more culpable for the first death. He was responsible for not waking Tracy up when he left.
A possible 8 years in prison? I think 8 years in a mental hospital would be more appropriate. Definitely something terribly wrong with this woman. This case is simply devastating.
She's knows what she's doing is wrong. She doesn't care. Her actions show that. It's covert narcissism. Who takes ambien knowing they're watching a child?! Also she put her daughter through an entire trial, but she gave zero explanation testifying bc there isn't one! My mother is a covert narcissist and anyone looking at her would think she's a caring person from the outside. She's worked with children doing childcare and worked in elderly nursing homes doing cleaning, but she's extremely psychologically and emotionally abusive. That's what is going on here. Pure negligence. She just had lunch with her grand baby. She even went back to the car!
@@reneegardner2286ok but what if there's absolutely no history of her behaving like this outside of her old age? Idk my brain can't comprehend this level of evil. Did they test her for Alzheimer's or anything?
By this logic, I can easily think of a lot of people who have committed crimes who don't need to go to prison because they won't learn anything in prison. Some crimes deserve punishment, and not rehabilitation. Being responsible for the deaths of two children through her gross negligence screams for punishment.
Imagine if you were in Tracey's situation where a child had accidentally died in your care and then you were given the care if another child. Unless you were a complete psychopath, tending to that child would be the first and only thing in your mind. it would be impossible to forget the child and not remember that you had accepted the responsibility of looking after them. I feel that she murdered both the children and likely has a condition similar to a serial killer or Munchausen's by Proxy where she gets a secret thrill out of this.
I agree - she was smirking in her jail photo, not a normal reaction for a grandmother who did what she did. I would also add that it was strange that she got into the car and drove around the property to look for Ezra. I mean, if the child was running around on the property, she could have driven over him. She also took her time with calling first responders both times. The whole thing is off.
I agree. There is something more malicious than just forgetfulness going on here. Small children that belong to her daughter Kayla just seem to have a habit of dying when left in her care.
I agree, too. She ‘forgets’ the very first time she’s babysitting again? I’d be so damned stressed that I wouldn’t even go to the loo without the little one with me. I’m surprised the prosecution didn’t present this theory. Perhaps they thought that nobody would buy that this School Principal would ever be like that. (Of course, we all know that school teachers can be some of the worst abusers, because they are trusted).
That theory is very unlikely, because she frequently stayed with her grandchildren. Also it is almost impossible to prove. Assuming she killed her grandchildren on purpose, don't you think that sombody will observe her strange behavior or signs of mental problems. Probably there are good psychiatrists that could diagnose her and exclude her madness.
As a grandmother of 11, I find this extremely heartbreaking. As a parent, 2:00 I just can't understand the parents' decision to leave a second child with the grandmother. Thanks Dr Grande. You always help us understand situations better.
People are very insensitive it took her a long time to get over the situation and forgive her mom and it was considered a tragic accident because as Dr grande pointed out the first child left the home while they had been napping which he had never been known to be able to do before. Everybody is Monday morning quarterbacking on this issue but I think most parents would eventually let the grandmother have short visits with their grandchildren. @@mikesapp3241
Lapse of judgement and hope for a neutral outcome. Lots of people make an ultimatum but when confronted with day to day needs you can convince yourself you are being too inflexible. Unfortunately this ended in another death.
@@mikesapp3241right? Who tf would have thought. I personally wouldn't leave a fly with that woman again, but I can see how someone would think no WAY can lightning strike twice.
I came home to my MIL sleeping and my 2- and 4-year olds on their own. Babysitting had to stop. Too dangerous. We literally moved, in part, to keep her from babysitting. We got lucky-our kids could have ran outside, too. Scary.
You weren't capable of remaining where you were and changing the boundaries and just no longer have her babysit anymore? I know you said it wasn't the only thing however I'm concerned you have issues saying NO! For the well-being of your child, that's frightening
My mom tossed one of my indoor cats outside once when she was cat sitting and I was away on vacation. Guess who I don't ask to watch my cats anymore? And cats are far less important than a child....
@Meela234 She was cleaning up a bit without me asking to be nice, and had done a load of laundry. One of my cats was really attached to me because I bottle fed him as a baby. He peed in the laundry basket cause he was mad we weren't home so she threw him outside to pee I think? She thought he would come back tbh but he didn't...I was devastated 💔
@@GFYKTHXBYE Cats are so clean, generally, but if they're pissed off they will pee on things out of despair/frustration . My cat peed on my curtains when I was away in the U.K.& my mother would visit daily to feed /water her. As soon as I returned home she never peed on anything other than her appropriate kitty litter spot ,ever. Sorry for your loss of your sweet boy.
@@ritanandori1850 You're kidding, right? I'm all for treating an animal kindly but it in no way rises to the level of a human being. A human is born in the image of God.
As a “retired” ICU RN I have a couple of thoughts on this. If I was the grandma, if one grandchild was lost under my care, I would not trust myself to ever watch any grandchildren ever again. If I was the mom, I would not trust grandma to care for any of my children. It’s not about forgiveness-it’s about Alzheimer’s disease or any dementia that might be beginning in grandma. I can’t recall if Tracy (or grandma’s) age was given-but it doesn’t matter given dementia-or even meds that grandma is on-might be the problem or reason for the “forgetfulness.” Along with that could be the beginning of an undiagnosed mental illness. So for both grandma’s and the grandchild’s sake-as a mom I would not have grandma babysit. Now I have a health care background. For those who don’t have that, they should set up an appointment with the pediatrician or family physician and talk this over with them. It might not only save a life-it might also save a huge heartache.❤️
I’m an Adult Nurse Practitioner and have an extensive medical background of 47 years. This woman was tested for dementia and Alzheimer’s by the defense and was found to be of normal range for her age. She was just forgetful and in my opinion very complacent. Who naps when you are caring for a toddler? What mother leaves a child in the care of someone who is responsible for the death of one of your other children? She didn’t call or text her mother to check on the baby anytime during these afternoon hours. If she had done so, it would have reminded her mother the child was in the car. This woman deserves the harshest punishment available.
@ I don’t wish to argue on the whole topic-like I said, if I were the mom who already lost one of my little ones in the care of grandma-I would not have grandma care for anymore of my children. The grandma you said was “found to be of normal range for her age.” I don’t know what that exactly means in terms of “normal range for her age,” because irregardless grandma was not a reliable caregiver for her grandchildren. Without a doubt mom was not a reliable caregiver of her own little ones. I don’t know what her punishment should be-and I don’t know if it would even change her parenting skills. I wonder what mom’s mom (grandma’s) parenting skills were like when her daughter was young. Like so many parents (and adults in general)-they don’t get it how fragile life is at any age. I wouldn’t do well as a pediatric nurse-returning kids back to irresponsible parents. ❤️ P.S. I do not have children.
As a grandmother, I'm absolutely not buying this memory failure bs. She had already allowed a child to die by not being alert and paying attention. This woman is either mentally ill, or a very shitty person. I hope she goes to jail. This was criminal negligence.
Your toddler grandson is missing and you drive around instead of checking the pond first? Then when you are allowed to watch your granchild for the first time after this you forget about her? I have to wonder if more is going on here... Dementia or something more sinister?? I don't know but it just seems off to me.
@@reneegardner2286 Get off it! YOU seem to be the narcissist here! Obviously you are perfect and everybody else should be in prison! I hope when you make your NEXT mistake, it becomes public knowledge so we can all judge you as harshly as you judge others!!
A woman named Paula Sims murdered her second daughter Heather in almost the identical way she murdered her first daughter Lorelai. She claimed an intruder knocked her out while she was taking out the garbage & abducted her daughters.
When she arrived at her home with the child in car and was probably aware of her own tendency to forget important things she should have taken the child out of the car when she exited a the vehicle. Did she have any explanation at all why the baby was left in the car in the first place. Did the prosecution seek a mental competence assessment of the Granny…that’s a factor blowing in the wind which was pivotal in my opinion.
No one can be this absurdly absentminded. Christ. I’m wondering if that woman has other deaths in her past that nobody knows about. No one is that stupid.
What I see is a Grandmother who really cared less about her own grandchildren. How do you *forget* that you are taking care of a child? How do you *forget* that you're watching *your own grandchild?* Just to be allowed to watch her, when she hadn't been trusted to do so, you would think that she would have cherished ever second....if for no other reason but to prove she was trustworthy and that the first _accident_ was actually an accident. I have a horrible memory, but I think I could remember that I just picked my grandbaby up and what a blessing to have her in my care. I DISAGREE with you on this one Dr. Grande!
I forgot once, for a split second. The child was sitting at the kitchen table, I was watching her closely, but suddenly, someone else demanded my attention over some fuss, and even though I was standing right next to the child, I turned to address whatever matter the other person was bugging me about, forgetting about the child, and in that second, literally a second, she fell off the chair. I will never forget (pun not intended) that awful feeling that a switch turned off in my brain. At that moment, I stopped judging these parents and grandparents who forget. Because I had become one of them. All it took was a second.
@ The difference is she didn't forget for a second, she forgot for hours. How is that possible not to have it cross your mind what you did earlier in the day and what you were suppose to be doing now? I'm in my early 60s and I'm very forgetful, but never with anything that is important and what could be more important than a child? The first child's death I could see, but not excuse...the second is a totally different scenario, almost like it was on purpose. The only excuse I could see is some kind of brain damage or dementia.
@@LifesAPeach2Me Well, there's gotta be some excuse. This doesn't seem to be willful negligence. I mean, she didn't intend to kill the babies. That being said, if anything had ever happened to my grandkid under my watch, the following would have happened in order of possibility: A) Remove myself from this planet; B) Ask a judge to lock me up for life; C) Disappear to another country and never watch a child again. As a grandmother, I discovered that there can be a greater grief than losing your child: it's watching your child lose their child. But to be responsible for that loss? The worst horrible nightmare.
If I were responsible for the death of two of my grandchildren I wouldn’t want to live! Those poor babies, and the rest of the family! 😢Thank you Dr. Grande for your video of this tragedy!
Who takes a nap when they're watching a toddler? what kind of man leaves the house knowing his wife is napping while their toddler grandson is in their care? They should BOTH do time!
@lizstraub6621 this case upset me so much because something similar happened with someone I know. I dated a man for almost a year and as it got close to Christmas he started telling me about the holiday strain in his family. His sister had his parents watch her children while she met with her divorce lawyer. She came to get the kids and one was dead in the pool. Both the grandparents were on their computers in separate rooms. They both said they thought they could surf the web a while because they thought the other was watching the kids. Her ex got full custody of their baby and a big point was made of how the toddler died on her watch. My boyfriend at the time was distressed because his sister was still mad at their parents. He didn't understand how she could ruin Christmas over an accident. I very much sided with the sister and was flabbergasted that he felt the child's death was just a whoopsie. It's amazing how we can all view things differently
The fact she didn't plead and made her daughter go through a trial is another failure of Tracy's. This lady disgusts me. she changed nothing about her behavior after the first death on her watch.
When they read the verdict and I saw Uriel’s mom about to pass out, I had tears in my eyes. Cannot imagine losing two of your precious babies and so close in time to eachother. If I was Tracey Nix, I would’ve be able to live with myself and would’ve just plead guilty and spend my time in prison repenting to God.
I think that the biggest crime here is that Tracy allowed this to go to trial, making both of her daughters testify against her. The least she could have done for her family would have been to pled guilty and avoided the trial.
She wasn't faultless. She left her child with a woman who was already responsible for her first child's death, because of a HAIR APPOINTMENT. Everybody sucks here. Did they even investigate? It seems really suspicious, like Grandma was on drugs or something.
Because it wasn't his biological grandchild, I bet it was his idea. You seen the same picture of him that I did, doesn't he have evil look in his eyes?
My first grade teacher lost her daughter the same way the first little one passed (it happened while she was teaching). The little girl managed to sneak away from the grandma while she was tending to the twin who had health issues/ needed treatment due to seizures. It was a horrendous accident and the grandmother (who was a nurse) ended up passing away a year later. Everyone knew that it wasn't her fault and most of the church/ community all tried to help her but the poor woman just failed to live on.
Many many years ago i took my toddler to daycare before heading to work and when i went to get her out if the backseat she was not there, i started shaking, panicking, crying and called my husband at the time only to find it was his day to take her to daycare on his way to work and she was safely inside. Like Dr. Grande says you can actually confabulate a memory of something that did not happen. Hindsight is 20/20, if you share responsibility, choose either picking up or drop off but don’t switch up the days. I still feel queasy thinking back on this event. Both my daughters are healthy and grown and i have four grandchildren that I’ve babysat through the years without incident but i will never forget that day, it’s seared into my memory. Edit: And if you must switch up days have a firm plan to every day confirm, baby is at daycare or baby is home through a text message.
@@josealqueres yes! or put something you need in the backseat like a handbag or a briefcase for work, jacket. The thing about my second baby was she was so quiet. In my case i had the reverse situation, i thought i had forgotten her but i did not. She was safely at daycare.
Thanks for sharing this story. I was struggling to agree with the doc this time but your story helps clarify his points. Sounds like your brain did its job well by etching it into your memory!
I would take my mother for a drive out to the mountains and forget her deep in the woods if I was in this situation. She'd still have a chance, at least. Then again, my mother was a bit of a monster without killing anyone I loved, which may not have been the case with this woman.
Dr g. I was really surprised in your opinion of this case. If you watch the trial, would have seen that the baby was with her for a while at lunch and after she came home, she actually got back in her car again to go take Tea to her husband on the property..also , it was brought up in court that she watched the kids on a regular basis, so this was not out of the ordinary to have one or more. She had no problem, remembering all her church and friend functions and most disgusting. She didn’t show any remorse.!! .
Well I mean she had a hair appointment. And when you canceled last minute on a hair salon you have to go to jail. Sometimes they execute for you for that. Oh wait, none of that's true. The worst thing that will happen to you is you might get a cancellation fee. I agree why in God's name would you ever let this woman be in charge of your child again. Everybody can go on about how it was an accident but how when you're babysitting do you decide that's a good time to take a nap and go out and run errands. Also how long was that nap. That to get to the pond. Normally you have to take a a four-wheeler to get there and this kid was able to get out the garage, get through the fence and walk all the way to the pond and drown before you even realize he was missing. No, it might have not been willful neglect but it was still neglectful. And I bet you that she didn't forget her phone.
@@LLandS18Exactly. You are right on point about the phone. Apparently that's highly more important than a precious baby. And of course, a hair appointment is super important. I would had canceled the appointment and do my own hair at home. And what's wrong about taking your baby with you? I hate these people having children and still wanting to live as if nothing would ever changed in their daily routines after being a parent and that priorities would not need to be re-arranged.
@@LLandS18agreed. But let's not forget that mom knew the history and chose a haircut over her living child. Forgotten baby syndrome is the least troubling part of this story. It was willful neglect to leave another child with her mother. Something obviously wrong there.
You'd think after NOT being allowed to watch your grandbaby because of what happened to the first grandbaby...you'd be hyper diligent with that child. How do you *forget* that you're watching a child...let alone your own grandchild? You'd think she would cherish every last second of being with that baby, plus wanting to prove to her daughter that she was capable. The woman is vile and beyond negligent. For the first time, I don't agree with Dr. Grande!
I think if it were me, I would want to give my own mother another chance. This baby was 7 months old and couldnt walk like the first one did. The first child got out of a door and ended up in a nearby retention pond next to the house. I would want to give my mother another chance to let her know I didnt blame her for the first childs incident. Yes it was her 'fault' but its not like she intentionally drowned the toddler. Accidents DO happen. And its not like she gave the grandmother the child for a very long period of time, only a few hours and this still happened. I feel she needed some punishment, but they overcharged her during trial. She deserves 10 years for this at least. Even if its another accident, she has now exhibited an extraordinary amount of negligence. These were two very preventable deaths.
The death of the first baby was criminal. A caretaker cannot sleep or nap while a 17 month old wanders around a 3,000 sq. ft. house. Anything could happen even inside the house. One cannot count on "low probability" events not to happen. The caretaker has to have eyes on the child at all times and be within hands-on reach of the child at all times. Yes, it's exhausting. I understand she was on some pretty heavy-duty medications (granny has to nap) but that's no excuse.
Agree but grandfather was awake inside the house when the grandmother took her nap. I want to know why the grandfather thought it was okay to leave when grandmother was sleeping❓. And I bet grandfather left the interior door to the garage open‼️ This is so heartbreaking 💔.
@@SweetSassyBullI know for sure she was on ambien. Not sure if there were other meds. Why on earth someone would take that knowing they’re responsible for watching a young child is beyond my comprehension. We already know affects of ambien. 😢
The bigger question is why was the grandmother napping when responsible for a 16 month old baby??? If my husband and I are watching our grandchild, we stay awake. If one needs to nap, the other takes charge. Grandma napping and grandpa running errands screams negligence to me.
You would think, given that she didn’t regularly watch the children due to the first incident, that she would be absolutely focused on her responsibility the second time.
Read the article Fatal Distraction. Anyone can forget a child is in the car. I knew this, so I was extra careful. I knew it could happen to me. It could happen to anyone. It has nothing to do with how much you love a child or how important the child is.
There may be something deeper and more sinister about how this woman's mind works. No way anyone minding a toddler should be napping while a toddler is running around. I guess playing the piano to not hear the screams of a toddler roasting in a car is a good idea. Resentment, selfishness and spitefulness have ways of presenting themselves through human actions. Just my opinion.
I’m astounded you say that 25% of parents had, at least once, forgotten a child in a vehicle…!! What??? I’ve had 4 children, (now grown 24-34y/o) and never ever, not even close, did I leave a child or forget I left a child in a vehicle. Not. Even. Close. I don’t get it…
This. I suffered a career ending injury where my short term memory is impacted. I have trouble with short term memory processing although long term is unaffected. I have 2 kids, one of whom was born after my injury. Even I have never forgotten my children. It just baffles me.
Exactly. I’m at a loss regarding mom’s decision making. For a hair appointment? Either my baby can come with me or I have to reschedule because what’s not going to happen is the grandma/grandpa watching her. Priorities.
I think she got off light, she accepted responsibility for a toddler, and fell asleep allowing him to drown. She accepted responsibility for an infant and completely forgot it existed and let it roast to death in a hot car for nearly three hours. She didn't care in the slightest for the grandkids, clearly it was passed on to her daughter who was either too stupid or just didn't care about her kids to leave her infant with someone who already caused the death of one of her children. Mind boggling. The only thing that would spare her is if she wasnt sound of mind.
The first death was as a result of a grandparent falling asleep while caring for a toddler who is active during the day. That is negligent. What grandmother sleeps while a toddler is up and active? If the child were napping in a safe place, that would be understandable. The grandmother forgot the child a second time. Two dead grandchildren. It's exponentially unlikely and very, very sad. Bad all the way around. Prison serves as punishment. The justification is serving time for something which is a felony in our society. Jail is punishment AND learning lessons, having wake up calls, spiritual experiences, many purposes and great outcomes can result from prison. She can have a life she starts over in prison. There's no justice in the unfortunate death of people. Punishment in this case.
Also why did her husband leave to run errands without thinking that maybe he should wake her up and let her know he was leaving and the toddler was unsupervised? Just a thought.
I'm sad that so many people are blaming the babies mother for letting her watch the baby. I saw an interview with her where she said after the first child died everybody was criticizing her for keeping the baby away and not forgiving the "accident" the grandmother was a retired principal. In small towns education leaders are treated like they can do no wrong. I understand how when she was grief stricken and the whole town was ganging up on her she started to doubt her judgment and give in.
I agree! I feel so bad for the mother being blamed first for letting the second baby stay with the grandmother and then being criticized for testifying against her. Twilight zone!!!
There is some blame for her to take. I believe it was an honest mistake, but the mother of the baby is partly to blame as well. If one of my kids passed, in your care, you’d never get another chance to keep my kids again.
Ummmm I wouldn’t care if the entire US had a problem with me, I’m protecting my child. Period. A grown woman failing to make appropriate decisions to ensure their child’s safety is preposterous
this is interesting twist, my mother is 75 and retired principle from small southern town, her Dementia has gotten so bad we couldnt let her babysit toddlers.
Many years ago we accidentally left my 6 month old sister in her car seat in the driveway of a cabin that we had rented for the weekend. We had packed up the station wagon and got about 20 miles down the road when someone realized we didn't have the baby. We went screaming back to the the cabin at speeds in excess of 100mph. She was sitting there safe and sound in her car seat wondering why we were so upset.
If she was truly sorry for what she did, why not plead guilty? Why make the family go thru a trial? “She maintains her innocence.” Really?? I would be begging them to bury me under the prison
The point being what the charges were that she was pleading to. I can understand feeling guilty & wanting to plead guilty as a punishment but it would be contingent upon what I'd be pleading guilty to.
@@mrazik131I as a psychiatrist get sick of people throwing around the term narcissism when they're not a qualified physician as it's a rare diagnosis & two, there's nothing to suggest she was, most likely an organic illness like dementia.
Bc I imagine she doesn't consider something happening unintentionally to be grounds for prison. Could you imagine forgetting something and being convicted for 8 years in prison for a mistake. I get that this wasn't forgetting the laundry or whatever but as you age, *nothing* works as it used to. I get it! I don't sleep well, I'm always tired and everything hurts ALL THE TIME!! My memory isn't what it used to be either! Just like all the other women, I've experienced cognitive decline with menopause, should I be in prison too bc I'm forgetful?! No mine has not ended 2 small people but a mistake is just that, an unintentional mistake! I imagine when YOU make a mistake, you forgive yourself bc of your reasoning as to why it happened but other people HAVE NO EXCUSE do they?!
@@sweetmissypetuniawilson9206 The reasons you mentioned are the very reasons she wasn’t charged with murder. There was no intent. There was, however, negligence. Twice. I don’t know if you followed the Sarah Boone case but the key word she repeatedly used during her interrogation was “unintentional,” as if that alone absolved her of all culpability. It obviously didn’t as she’s in prison because someone died due to her action / inaction. But she was not charged with intentional homicide. Mrs. Nix is guilty of negligence at the very least and it has cost her dearly. I’m not even referring to her potential prison sentence
The "one-time lapse in judgment would not establish culpable negligence" law and the "not permitted to use the prior incident as evidence of culpable negligence" are not logically consistent with each other.
I knew a woman who was a schoolbus driver. She accidentally hit a child with the bus, and the child died. It took years of therapy. She hated herself and didn't want to live. After about 10 years, she wanted to try again, because she truly loved being a bus driver for children. Within 2 months, it happened again. It was just a terrible accident that happened twice. I cannot imagine the hell that woman lives with.
Terrible accidents can & do happen more than once but our minds can be our own worst enemy & trick us into thinking that events like that happening on more than the one off occasion is not just a coincidence. I have no doubt that poor bus driver lady does indeed endure all sorts of psychological hell & zero fault of it is her own.
There’s thousands of bus drivers with clean records and that lady manages to hit a kid twice? Some self fulfilling prophecy or she must’ve bussed around a rough area or something
There is no way on gods green earth that I would have ever left my second baby with her!! This case is bizarre and the grandmother does need to have some kind of punishment. She caused the death of TWO grand children!!! There is something seriously wrong with this woman.
Bizarre is the word that came to my mind as well. I heard another report that Tracey Nix was taking multiple prescriptions. It's interesting that Dr. Grande didn't touch that with a ten foot pole. A lot of meds leave people a few bricks shy of a load. Sometimes I wonder what scrips health care providers might be strung out on, other than money, that is.
She is guilty, no excuses. She smirked in her mugshot and seemed cocky in court over past couple years. She has other grandchildren whom she never harmed, just that certain daughter. She refused to testify and had no history of memory failure, forgetfulness, confusion, only with the 2 kids of that specific daughter.
Utterly ridiculous and an easy accusation to throw around when you're not personally affected. As a psychiatrist I get sick of people throwing around terms that are actually pretty rare diagnosis. There's nothing to suggest she was a psychopath- you clearly need to evaluate your inductive reasoning processes. It's more likely, if anything, that she had an organic brain illness.
@@AnyaAnnika67from what I've read, after the first incident, apparently the grandmother put a lot of effort into trying to reverse the daughter's decision to not let her babysit again, including guilt tripping the daughter into letting her babysit another child. Just adding that detail to consider.
I think the first one was an accident, but that she really enjoyed the drama and attention she got from it, so she did it again on purpose. Or, she was mad at her daughter for not letting her babysit after the first incident and wanted payback. That dry eyed smirk in the mugshot. Either way something is way off with this lady psychologically, and I have concerns about her daughter's mental health as well.
@@AnyaAnnika67 I don’t need to be a psychiatrist to tell someone is a psychopath. I have common sense. And no, sociopaths and psychopaths are very common, if you pay attention to the world and not “professionals”.
This conclusion is completely wrong. The grandmother was a retired teacher and school principal. It is very strange that after spending a career lifetime working with children and ensuring their safety that she would be do irresponsible with the lives of her own grandchildren TWICE! Lock her up! It’s almost as if she didn’t want her grandchildren to live 😢😢😢
Her whole demeanour in court in all the videos I've watched are also "very off". She doesn't seem right and she doesn't exactly appear a broken woman which I would imagine almost any other grandmother would be.
@Jenna.mnadvocate I agree. I think it's nearly plain as day that this grandmother had a blatant personality disorder. The actions she took during and after the first killing make it apparent, let alone the second killing. She got away with two homicides, in my opinion. If Dr Grande was being fair, he'd have used her smug, smiling mugshot rather than the mask she's wearing for the court in the video thumbnail. :( Those poor babies, and the poor mother of those babies.
@@swn32 If she was in anyway still working with a school district, she would by law be a mandated reporter for child abuse and neglect. Her actions here show that she herself was neglectful TWICE when charged with the duty of looking after the welfare of 2 children. Also, if she was in no way still working for, volunteering with, or advising a school district, her career of being responsible for the welfare of children still is part of her character and training.
What about the angle of “the woman didn’t like being a grandmother and intentionally left certain doors unlocked and wanted to make the car death look like a tragic accident”. Having two grandchild deaths this close together is absolutely unfathomable and unimaginable. There’s something wrong here! She’s guilty. Sorry, but she is.
Due to this very situation is the reason I used to put my purse in the back seat when my children were little and in car seats I had to turn around to get my purse seeing the children so I didn’t get distracted and forgot them 😢
Yes, or something else that you MUST have to get back inside eg the house keys. Put them with the child. That way you can’t get back home without the kid being w you. Such a sad story 😢
Yes this is definitely something I will do should I ever have or take care of a baby. I'm a forgetful person but something is seriously off in this case on so many levels. Ultimately, two separate events implies extreme dysfunction, negligence, and an overall lack of care.
I can't comprehend a person forgetting a baby in a car. Sadly her memory is short maybe due to her age or early stages of dementia. After losing her grandson it seems that she would of been more cautious. Thank you Dr. Grande
Agree 100% this woman is not dealing with a full deck. I also worry that this will destroy her daughter's marriage, as her husband would understandably be furious that his wife let her mother babysit when that had been forbidden. I raised 3 children to adulthood, and cared for many nieces and nephews. There was no reason IMHO for Kayla to NOT have taken that poor baby girl to the hair salon with her. I pray for the babies' souls and that Kayla's husband doesn't lose it and do something he'll regret. What a mess, and a horrible tragedy.
@lizstraub6621 and also if I had to weigh up a decision of whether to leave child with someone who already showed neglect or cancel a hair appointment. I would just cancel the appointment
I still think it’s culpable negligence. All that research about “forgetting things” implies that people with “forgotten baby syndrome” treated the babies like objects rather than people. Had she been watching the baby girl properly and been interacting with her throughout the car ride, she wouldn’t have forgotten her when she arrived home.
I cannot understand that despite the grandfather being present at the home during each death, he was not considered to have any responsibility in the deaths. He knew they were babysitting but took no notice of what was happening to them until they died!! He is just as negligent and irresponsible.
he wasn't at home during the first death. he had left to run errands and when the grandmother woke up she called the grandfather and said she couldn't find him. he then came home
@@mjgerleman I would say but I didn't watch the trial so I do not know for sure that she was asleep before he left. Seems to me he would have enough sense to know not to leave the house with an awake toddler and a sleeping babysitter/grandmother. its just that I do not know for sure she was asleep at that point.
Grandma being sent to prison serves as a deterrent to others who care for a child in a mindless unreasonabe senseless manner. If you take on the responsibilty to care for an infant you better know what you are doing.
Also probably makes a lot of grandparents think twice about accepting to have their grandkids dumped on them whenever their kid wants to go get their nails done.
My first wife, before we were married had lost her first 2 sons, who were left in a car while the caretaker went shopping, both didn't survive due to heat. She was pregnant with her third son. She suffered from that loss massively. Prosecuting the the caretaker who was convicted actually provided little benefit. It destroyed her first marriage and left her with issues for life.
you are correct. I don't know if it actually helped. It was my sense that it would have been worse if there had been no consequences. That was over 50 years ago, and people still leave children in cars and they die from heat.
You’re wrong that forgetting for longer is no worse than forgetting for a shorter time. She not only forgot that she left Uriel in the car - she forgot to check on her for three hours. Even if she’d taken her inside, those three hours would have been a serious failure.
When working at a daycare, one day I left a toddler in our (enclosed) backyard playground. As soon as I got back inside I realized I had 3 kids instead of 4 and ran out after him. He was fine, didn't even realize anything was amiss. I can't imagine forgetting about the child you are watching for 3 whole hours. I don't believe it was an accident.
I think it goes more to the fact that she forgot she had a child with her that day at all, not that she realized she was babysitting and forgot to check on him frequently enough, its an extension of forgetting she ever had him at all in the first place. But i agree that objectively its worse and clearly the effect is worse, the difference between life and death
Her hard lesson is that she needs to pay attention when someone's life is in her hands. She should have learned before the first death to either not take responsibilities she can't handle or put safety measures in place. There should have been safety locks on the doors and she should have taken safety precautions with the second, like putting one of her shoes in the back seat. I couldn't disagree with Dr Grande more on this one.
To just satisfy a need for government vengeance in this case is useless and non-productive. It would serve no purpose. People aren't going to stop being forgetful because they did a stretch. It's involuntary, like breathing. You won't stop breathing if you were told not to and went to jail for breathing. It's a horrible story, granted. And it may feel good to you that "someone has to pay" but it's intellectually lazy and a bad precedent. Dr. Grande is correct. You accept that the woman is very likely to forget and adjust accordingly, as in keeping her away from anything that requires sharp cognitive skills. Prison just wastes money in a case like this and would accomplish nothing.
How about a simple text conversation to the Mom “I am home now” “how is the baby?” “Oh yes I have her in the house and she is fine” - more communication was needed
She pled not guilty putting her family through a trial! She showed no emotion whilst on trial, crocodile tears! She should never had agreed to look after her grandchildren if she's becoming forgetful & not responsible. She showed no signs of devastation, had full control of her emotions. As a grandmother myself, i wouldn't have the will to live!
I dont understand how the grandfather did not ask about the baby since one child died already. We've never had a tragedy like this in our family but we check in with each other regardless. If anyone in my family had been in that house when the grandmother came home we would have said " where is the baby? Did you take her back home?
When my son was an infant, I parked at the grocery store and got out, locked the car and starting walking towards the door. I only got 4 or 5 steps before I remembered and ran back. I was so freaked out because I saw how it could happen even to me who is a careful person but really tired that morning 😑
I think thats the difference you where tired and probably hadn't been sleeping well. This lady wasn't looking after a baby full time it was only a few hours.
I never did that (not saying you're bad because you had a seconds-long lapse in memory), but I was so terrified, I taped notes to my steering wheel and my husband's, to remind us to check for the babies.
I had memory issues and would forget things I needed to do but I would never forget I had a child that I was responsible for. My baby was just always part of me and I was always so immersed in my parenting role that I was always on alert mode. My daily routines and my priorities totally changed after having my son ❤
I feel this woman is a serial baby killer. For whatever sick reason, she has some desire inside her heart to hurt her grandbabies. She might seek some sick attention from the grief and attention she gets from everyone over the loss. She thought she could pull this sick crap again because she got away with it the first time. I think she felt enough time has passed and she had this desire to let another grandbaby die, at her hands. She might love the attention that she isn't getting in her everyday life. She probably feels under appreciated in some way so she has to compensate for that. If you let a child to become injured or hurt under your care, you won't forget!! You make sure to watch those babies like a hawk next time and you make sure to never ever let any child under your care to be hurt in any way ever!!!. For her to let her daughter's children die under her care is incomprehensible!!! I hope she gets the full 8 yrs. She's no loving grandma!!! Yet she has made sure to set herself up under the public eyes that she's responsible and loves kids. Yet deep inside her heart and within her mind, she has the sick need to let her grandbabies die. Disgusting!
After the 1st grandchild died under her care. She got lucky that her daughter forgave her and trusted her again. You would think that she would watch that baby like a hawk. Set reminders since she was so “forgetful.” Is it dementia or did she just hate her daughter’s happiness?
Forgotten baby syndrome, this is nothing but a copout. Instead of holding people responsible for their actions they give it a name and give these people a pass. Just unbelievable.
Yes remember that creep who played video games while his baby girl roasted in a hot car down in FL. Guess he should just get a firm talking to and let go.
As a mother, grandmother and school principle she was completely negligent and reckless. After the tragic death of her grandson one would think she would have that baby glued to her! She killed her granddaughter! Her husband is equally as ignorant, careless and negligent.
So wait. Her husband was awake and left the child and his SLEEPING spouse alone doors unlocked. He is equally at fault. Child alarms should be on all doors. Yikes.
Both cases are related through a ‘standard of care’. They both died because both adults weren’t lazer-focused on an under-3 year old. That is a duty, especially when child safety standards aren’t being met.
Perhaps we should hear from Mrs. Dr. Grande and get her thoughts on this subject. Dr. Grande seems to be giving Tracy the benefit of the doubt and he’s wrong this time. We’re talking about 2 babies murdered by granny.
i don't know this lady her competence level or behavioral patterns i'm only speculating on what might be happening in a situation like this. but i can say this, once i was with my child at the pool trying to teach him to swim and someone said just throw him in the water and he will learn how to swim. another time i was hanging out with a different young lady and her 2 children, the children were playing on a very high sliding board which had no safe guards. i told her she should go watch the children so they would not fall and she said to me "children need to learn on their own" i told her "not while i am here" and i went to watch the children so they would not fall. fast forward i saw them again a few weeks later and the 5 year old daughter had a sling on her arm. i asked what happened she said they were playing on the same sliding board, the daughter fell down and broke her collar bone. i said that to say this!!! there are some people who are intentionally negligent.
Omg, my sister broke her collarbone on a trampoline when we were kids. She was hospitalized for weeks in traction. I can't believe that little girl's out walking around. It's a very painful injury.
I feel so sorry for the poor mother. She trusted her mother TWICE, to take care of her children. I think it's really sad that people are blaming the mother for this. The comments on Instagram on this story are brutal. She ruined her daughter's life. For this to happen a second time is just awful. The poor daughter will never be able to have a normal relationship with her mother, ever again. Her mother's careless negligence resulted in the death of TWO of her daughter's children. It is basically unforgivable. I cannot IMAGINE doing this to either children. How brain dead to you have to be to do this? The poor mother. I cannot imagine how much pain she must be in, and the anger at her mother. What a horrible tragedy.
@@KayG1029 It was a cop showing up at her door telling her her child was dead. I read that the mother was confused at first, thinking the cop oddly was referring to her son who'd died months before. Ugh. Imagine her shock when she realized the cop was talking about her daughter.
I’m sure the pain is unbearable for the mother and the grandmother. At least for the second death, I think the fault is with the mother who left her infant with someone who was clearly incapable of caring for her.
Prison is not just about the rehabilitation of the wrong doer, it serves also as a healing mechanism for the victims to be aware that their suffering is being taken seriously, it also serves as a deterrent to show that certain behaviors have consequences and should be best avoided. 1 year in prison would have served everybody well in this case, especially the memory of a child who died without just cause because somebody was careless.
From the day I was told I was pregnant until the present I have never forgotten that I have a child and am responsible for his existence. That woman is irresponsible.
Yes going to prison is not to be taught a lesson, it can be but that's not what it's about. It's about punishment and paying for your negligence and yes she was negligent. Who cares if she learns anything. She killed a baby in a horrible way where she meant to or not.
In the first incident with the boy, it sounds like the husband is at fault. Her husband should not have left to run errands, since his wife was asleep.
I bet you 💯% that grandfather left the interior door leading to the garage open when he left the home leaving grandmother asleep with a wide awake toddler‼️🧐💔
He is way more culpable here than the grandmother, he made the conscious choice to leave a baby unattended. But no one even thinks of this because obviously the woman is supposed to be the caretaker.
This is just all too much. Was the little boy taking a nap when the grandma fell asleep? You don’t sleep with a toddler running around. You Have To Watch Toddlers Constantly. And did he say the husband left while she was sleeping? WTH? And, was this the first time she had the new baby since the boy died?? Why wasn’t she being hyper aware? For 3 hours she forgot that a little earlier she was given a second chance to not kill a grandkid. This is really unbelievable. I don’t agree with the doctor. She should get a year or something. She obviously wasn’t too shaken up over the first kid. So, so sad.
Oh bologna that lady Tracy has a body count, 2 grandchildren from the same daughter within a year. Worst case of passive aggressive personality disorder that I've seen. If a grandparent was responsible for the death of one grandchild, don't you think that they would be more vigilant while watching the second? Plus she pleaded not guilty and made her daughter relive the tragedy. I would think that anyone who went to school for psychology could see that.
They arrested her immediately for the hot car death so they most likely tested her for substances. They probably would have gotten an easy conviction if she was found to be impaired which is a win for the police and the prosecutors office. I’d be surprised if they didn’t test her although the police have dropped the ball in much worse ways in the past as we’ve seen on this channel.
@@friendlykiwi384 Alcohol or prescription medication. Early onset dementia or Alzheimers. I'm the same age as the grandmother 67 years. There is definitely something very wrong with the grandmother.
I had a sister in law that due to negligence gave me a serious case of food poisoning. After that episode I looked for reasons to avoid all of her cooking and baking. No second chances.
I think this grandmother had some sort of underlying psychopathy. She subconsciously wanted the children dead somehow. How do we know the baby actually let himself out and crawled under the fence? Maybe there was a video? How come she didn’t call 911 right away? Also, how come it’s always a grandmother’s fault -where was the grandfather all this time? Grandpa left the baby with a napping grandma the first time. I’m so confused. I would say if you know that you already killed the baby you would be super super super extra careful with the second baby. I really think there’s something wrong with this woman. I think you’re being too generous.
I have to agree. Its a case like none I have ever followed. It is so unusual, that it is almost preposterous this actually happened. I would love to know the relationships between this mother and daughter. My gut instinct tells me there was something far more deeper going on within the family. And I'll leave it at that. I am 62, a female and in all of my years never forgot ANYTHING in my car going in, if I did, maybe a shopping bag? but it was immediate I remembered. How this woman came from a luncheon and had a baby everyone oohed and ahhed over and to think she left the baby for as long as she did, again seems preposterous!
Are you a psychiatrist? I am. This is absolutely ludicrous and a poor show of your inductive reasoning ability. There's absolutely no evidence to suggest, as I'm sure a full psyche history was taken & collateral history, that she had an ASPD. I get sick of people throwing around terms like narcissism & psychopathy because they're in fashion when ironically they're relatively rare disorders. It's much more likely that she had an organic brain illness. Please spare a thought for those you're accusing (which is easy not to do as it doesn't affect you). This woman will already have to live with the guilt for the rest of her life.
@ it’s just a feeling. I tend to be empathic. I guess I would have to see her in action. You’re absolutely right people do throw those terms around me included. It’s just a deep feeling I have. I guess we’d have to see if she forgot other important things like she leaves her keys at the store, forgets to eat. I knew I was going out on a limb, and no, I’m not a psychiatrist. It’s just a feeling. Going off the pictures of her in the courtroom. Could be I’m triggered by something in my childhood. And how do I know that she’s grief stricken I don’t know anything. You clearly know more about this case than I do.
Regardless of the circumstances, if I lost 2 babies within a year I would lose my mind.
Losing 2 under the care of grandma is just ridiculous..like what are the odds? accidentally..seems they would be astronomical
Right. Poor daughter and babies. So traumatic
@@StallyFitthe daughter was away for several hours and didn't even bother calling the grandmother to check if the baby girl was okay, if she did maybe the baby would still be alive. It's her fault too
I just think prison is not even remotely warranted
Would want to off myself
if my spouse left a second child with their parent who already was involved in the death of my first child, my marriage would be done..
Same
Absolutely. No doubt.
Amen, sister
This!
I think they all were so dependent on her that they let it slip. I think they overworked her.
The fact that she is not taking ANY RESPONSIBILITY at all, shows how self absorbed she is. She clearly is always just thinking about her wants. She wanted to take a nap. You can’t take a nap when you’re babysitting. She wanted to go to lunch. Cancel your lunch plans when you’re babysitting. Give complete focus to the child. The reason why these babies keep dying is because she keeps doing selfish acts while babysitting.
100 percent correct. So selfish. All I see is a self absorbed woman
This comment should be pinned up top.
Well said!
Yup
Weird to think she was driving home from picking up one of her surviving grandkids the same year she squished the other one, and forgot she had the beebee in the car. Wasn't talking at her? Wasn't planning on feeding or changing or playing with her once home? Wasn't thinking about her brother? At all? Really?
What would you like her to do exactly?
Really!!! I couldn’t believe she took a nap and worse I couldn’t believe that she took the poor baby out to lunch with a bunch of friends! Why didn’t she cancel the luncheon and enjoy the child when she had a chance??? This woman may have been a principal in a school, but I can’t imagine that she ever would have been a very good teacher!!
If you've worked as a teacher and school principal, child safety should be second nature to you.
Alzheimer’s?
I heard in a survival advice: Look in the most dangerous places first (pond in this case, or refrigerators, construction sites, holes and such), before moving your search to lesser dangerous places, like driving around in the neighborhood. It is good advice. I pray, I will never need it.
@@venderstrat I totally agree-except the little ones that died were before that school age. And clearly, neither mom nor grandma were aware of psychology/mental health changes that were occurring. I’m
68 almost 69, trust me when I tell you it alllll sneaks up on you!❤️
@@jaces2614 It can begin in your 50’s already.❤️
Psychos work in all walks of life unfortunately and they especially like positions of power. She liked power over little kids, extra sick!!
The jurors will be mad when they find out this was the second grandchild death
I was actually surprised that at least one did not know of this incident
That’s exactly what I thought and I also feel bad for them being on a jury is already a difficult thing to do because of the responsibility and they are going to feel someway after finding that out and they are definitely innocent in this situation that’s really unfair imo
@@tammyjohnson7401 They might know of it, but might not have associated it with the accused.
I was thinking the same.
They should have been told. It's ridiculous that they weren't told this.
I can't imagine how, after losing one grandchild on your watch, you could just forget about the second one in the car
Especially after Tracy allegedly earlier dining out IN COMPANY - where was the child during this time?!? Maybe already in the car, for an even longer duration? Something is very off here, IN MY OPINION.
I think she is a psycopath.
Exactly.being the cause of death by neglect once would make most never want to babysit again.The babies mother is also neglectful by leaving them with her mother.
Exactly my thought!
Thank you, something is not right here.
I wouldn’t be able to go on living with the knowledge I destroyed my grandchildren with such horribly brutal suffering. Grotesque.
Neither would I.
indeed
Yep. When watching news stories about parents who've left their children in their hot cars over the years, I always felt like I couldn't live with myself if I'd done that. It would be a life of hell knowing that I'd done that.
My mother left my father when he got sick.
My grandparents, (her mother & father) deemed getting ill to be a weakness & they started terrorising & raping my sisters while my mother sat back & did nothing.
My dad ultimately died after battling leukaemia for 8 years. My sisters got paid out crimes compensation money, but it's obviously effected them & my brother I significantly.
Family, including grandparents can be absolutely heartless & sadistic to their own grandchildren
@@carpathianken Oh my goodness 😢
At my Grandmother’s home, the small child of visitors walked away from his mother. My Grandmother had warned the mother of the dangers of the pond, but when my Grandmother went inside to get lemonade, the mother let him wander off. The little boy drowned. Even though it wasn’t my Grandmother’s fault, she felt guilty. My Grandmother was OBSESSED with safety. She held my hand walking down the stairs far longer than I needed. She watched the pool like a hawk. She was very careful how we played with toys. She made sure doors were locked. She checked on us many times a night when we slept over.
Once a child dies tragically, you become hyper vigilant.
How could the Grandmother not have been INSANELY vigilant the very first time she babysat her new grandchild? I struggle with that.
I agree. My husband and I had an extremely scary experience with our two year old who wondered outside of our holiday cottage whilst we were on holiday. We were very lucky that another family found him and returned him safely to us. We both felt exceptionally guilty we had not locked the cabin door. Going forward we have been extra vigilant about making sure the front door is locked and keeping a close eye on him in general (and his sisters). Anyone can make a mistake, but the point is that if you have an scary experience like this with a child (or, god forbid a tragedy) I don't understand why you would not learn from it and be super vigilant going forward.
@ I’m so glad your experience turned out okay! Kids can disappear so fast.
@@sarahdingwall3024 Oh yes, I know the adrenaline rush which you must have experienced! Some mistakes must only be allowed to occur once in a lifetime, but best to avoid them at all, if possible.
*Something is very off with this case, and we IMO do not know enough/ everything we would need to know to reach a valid conclusion.* I for one hope to get a follow-up!!! For me the *mugshot* is a dead (pun, but not fun, intended) giveaway.
[Life experience in the same vein: Our then four yo. daughter suddenly wandered off on a very populous beach in Italy which my then husband knew very well. For me it was the first visit, and I was busy with getting my bearings, so he had agreed to be in charge watching her. The sea there is mostly extremely shallow, but there also are some deep stretches, where she could have drowned, because she was too young for swimming, as it was also her first time at the seaside.
What I feared the most was her being snatched and taken away, because she always resisted my attempts to make her more attentive to her circumstances, and less friendly to strangers (I nearly despaired over this!), as she was a cute snub-nosed blondie at the time, and the epitome of an abduction victim.
I cried my heart out and walked the mile-long beach several times up and down, my eyes peeled for my little stump of obstinacy. I already picutred how we would need to buy a coffin, or even bury her in a foreign country, if something happened to her!
THANK GOD for the coincidence that she went straightaway to some of the very few German-speaking persons on this beach - two very nice women who also came from Switzerland like us, and who took it upon them to in turn look for her parents.
I was so grateful for those two friendly strangers who watched my wayward offspring, but I was mad at her, and even more so at my ex-hb, who had neglected his duty, because he was too confident that she would not be able to vanish in mere seconds (my poor faculties to choose a partner are blatantly evident...).
I WILL NEVER FORGET HOW UTTERLY DEJECTED I FELT! The anxiety caused me physical pain, and if it had been my fault that she absconded, I would have thrown myself into the sea for it.
I can not understand that this "grandmother" was trusted a second time with the life of a precious grandchild! And as a mom - if I really needed to go to the hairdresser, I would have taken my child with me, as I always did, because I had nobody to do the babysitting!]
Yep, seems deliberate.
Because that Tracy is a criminal!
After listening to this for a second time I realized that the grandmother and the grandfather were in the house when the first baby died. After the grandmother felt asleep the grandfather decided to go out and do some errands... so even though I feel anger towards the grandmother for causing both deaths by mistakes, I don't think it is fair to put all blame in the first case only on her. The grandfather could have taken the baby with him or stayed because he knew his wife was asleep. This poor babies had the worst grandparents in the world.
Nope. You women...oh my. Just cant be held accountable, yes ? Must be in the female DNA.
The toddler was left with the grandmother to babysit. Grandfather went and did some errands...and you want to partially blame the grandfather?
You're a silly, foolish woman. Grow up.
A man helping his wife out in the household. Yeah right
This keeps coming up for me too. The husband knew she had the second baby as well and he was on the property when she was dying in the car. I mean, I get that she was the one who agreed, not him, but parenting of any child MUST be a dual effort. Did he not notice that the baby wasn’t with her in the house? Women need to demand help in the household.
I agree. I have a two year old and four older kids. If I fell asleep my husband would either wake me up or take baby with him. That’s on both.
and they also had bad parents, who just let the grandmother 'take care' of the babies, especially after the first incident.
The only reason she was found not guilty was because the death of the first child was not allowed to be presented
Which means justice wasn't possible because the most relevant truth was withheld.
The jury didn't want to throw away an old white lady's life away. They presumed she was innocent and never were convinced by the prosecutor that this was some premeditated act.
The grandfather was more responsible for that one for leaving when the grandma was asleep
@@Blake1720was that the correct order of events? (going to look it up right now..double checking…that would change my perspective, personally)
It doesn't change much. This is a small town with 4900 population. Everybody on the jury would have known about the previous incident.
If a second child died under her care, she’s guilty.
There was a tik tok family that I saw where the young daughter almost drowned. She recovered, and like 2 years later, they announced she was hit and killed by a car in front of their house. All I could think was you are guilty of negligence if not more WTF!
Exactly. You don't have that kind of "accident" or "negligence" twice.
Tracy remembered how to get to a restaurant to meet her friends… Remembered the time to meet her friends… Remembered her way home… Tracy remembered every day something that was required of her… She’s a liar and she hates her daughter.
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remembered to have a conversation with her dog, even!
I agree. There's narcissistic jealousy factor here.
Playing the fecking piano they said!!
Yup. My first ( sickening) thought.
If I lost my baby while in my Mom’s care…She’d never watch another child of mine.
Unless you had a hair appointment😂
@@jmomlslaughing shows your mental capacity
Agree, it took a village for this to happen twice
I’d never speak to her again. Something is wrong with the daughter
Yes something is wrong with the grandmother AND mother and just so odd
Something has to be wrong with this woman. Early onset dementia perhaps? How can a person be so neglectful/forgetful otherwise when it comes to her grandbabies? I mean twice? Holy smokes.
It seems like her daughter knew that too, but then took a really dumb chance.. 😔 sad
Because they were white, and her ugabuga husband didn't like them.
I was thinking the same thing. Either very low iq or some kind of dementia going on.
Or maybe like the mothers that purposely make there children ill, its a tragedy all around, just too close from the first death.
@@JeffreyAllanBackowski oh lawd I hope that wasn't it! But he really shouldn't have left knowing she was asleep!
An older relative once gave my 12 month old peanut butter when I had expressly told them NOT to do so. The baby broke out in hives and I had to run him to the doctor. That relative never was allowed to be with my kids unsupervised again even though we maintained a good relationship. Some people simply do not have the judgement to entrust your children with and Tracey is certainly one of those people. I can not believe that this woman is a former school teacher and principal. That is just appalling to me.
she might be getting senile, so she is making one mistake after another... I have got a lovely neighbor, she is an older lady and she was a school teacher and principal!!!! Unfortunately she has got dementia.
@@marthas.4456 Her friends seemed very sharp and observant. All of them are former school teachers. They saw Tracey at least once a week for prayer group and lunch afterwards at a restaurant of their choosing. I have a very hard time believing that one of the friends would agree to ride in a car with Tracey driving if she thought Tracey wasn't sharp, herself. And I can't imagine this group of ladies allowing Tracey to leave the restaurant and drive that baby home to her house unsupervised if they thought that Tracey was impaired or not thinking clearly.
A covert narcissist doesn't have to purposely do something to cause harm. Simply putting their needs first, neglects the child.
Again utter garbage & testament to your entirely poor inductive reasoning process. There's no empirical evidence to support that this lady had NPD & I'm sure she had a full psyche evaluation & collateral history taken. People just luurrvvveee throwing these terms out these days with no regards to others.
I am thinking that as well.
Also if she was a narcissist, there would be no emotional empathy for the child, therefore making the child easier to forget about.
That's really deep. I'd never thought about that.
With her age, she could have dementia. I guarantee my mom who has dementia, cannot take care of even a cat much less a child.
Dr. Grande respectfully, you're tripping. You don't just fall asleep when you're responsible for a child that small nor would you forget a second grandchild when It's your first time seeing this grandchild. Especially considering what happened with one already. Like how can you not see that?
This guy often gets it wrong. He thinks Woody Allen isn’t a pedophile.
@Jtaime-y6c he thinks WH😳T???
@@Jtaime-y6c- WHAAT ? That's INSANE !
@@SlyRedfoxx85 He did a video on Farrow v Allen. It’s clear he is an Allen supporter.
@ He believes Mia manipulated Dylan into saying she was abused. Dylan has repeatedly stated Miss did not plant the abuse idea in her mind and that Allen DID abuse her.
4:49 the fact she smiles in the mug shot.. she killed both children NEGLECT at leash my god this is so reckless not ONE child but TWO within a year my God my heart breaks for the mom can you imagine?? the awful news again back to back and now being childless after raising 2 babies wtf .. i hope the grandma realizes the pain she has caused
I thought the woman has a third, oldest child...? No?
This mom had 2 other children at home. If someone had your child for 4 hours in the afternoon, wouldn’t you text or call just to see how they’re doing? If she had done so, grandma would have realized the baby was in the car. Perhaps that baby would have been alive now. Everyone failed this child that day.
I cannot imagine a lot of things, like continuing a relationship with Granny or allowing Granny to watch another of your innocent babies so you can go get a haircut.
Yeah the smile is too much. You’d expect sobbing and heartache
The daughter has an older son, and had another daughter after this one passed...
I'm sorry. I'm a mom of 7 grown children and grandmother of 12. I have taken care of most of them plenty of times. The only incident under my watch was when a dog nipped my 2 year old grandson. He's nearly 13 now and I still feel upset and responsible for the event, in spite of the fact it was minor with no lasting effects. It made me become hyper cautious when caring for any of the children. I cannot fathom how such a tragedy could possibly happen twice. Something is not right with that woman and in my opinion, she belongs in prison.
Absolutely!
Thank you, someone using their brain in these comments I 💯 agree
Right. Im a single father of twins. Since birth. Ive never ever once forgot them any where especially in a car. Ridiculous that any grown adult could forget.
I know this won’t erase your guilt but I’m sure you did everything you could to protect him in that moment, I’m sure if it was possible to foresee the nip you’d do everything in your power to prevent it
Agreed. In the time the baby was in the car Tracey spoke with the child's mother and played the piano?! Sounds like she was taking some sadistic pleasure in it. There's no way talking to her daughter didn't remind her that her granddaughter was in her care. And this was presumably the first time she had ever been permitted to watch Uriel alone because she had caused the death of her older brother. I can't believe this was accidental.
Who goes DRIVING around FIRST when a toddler cannot be found? She should have looked immediately around the house before going elsewhere. That and not calling 911 immediately are why she’s responsible for Ezra’s death. It’s also a moronic defence that he hadn’t opened a door before, even if she could be sure that weren’t true. Toddlers learn multiple new skills every day - that’s how a two-year-old can do so much more than a one-year-old. Not having opened a door yesterday does not mean they won’t open one today.
Because she was covering up what she had done, that's why she went driving, then somehow her eyes are better than her memory and she spotted him in a pond from her car while driving, and why she never called 911. She got away with two deaths at her hands. Allegedly and in my opinion. Also, I'm just speculating. But, if something doesn't make sense, it's because it's not true. I think Dr Grande has made a lot of assumptions about this perpetrator, about her character and intentions, that don't line up with the facts that we know.
I agree. I think she looked around the house, but not the pond??? How far is a toddler going to go that you need to get in your car. Something doesn’t pass the smell test. If I had let two of my grand babies die on my watch I’d say lock me up!
I know right?!?
That's a great point. She is literally so negligent and oblivious
Just as sad as sad can be!
Once could be an accident but twice is just mind blowing..world's worst grandmother!! RIP wee Babies. ❤️❤️
Worst grandfather too
Who takes a nap with a toddler in the house with no safety locks!?! Then she forgot the 2nd child in 90 degree heat!? No one is this absent minded. Jesus Christ. 😢
It does seem very strange. U might think Gran would be hypervigilent w a child after the first tragedy….but clearly this was not the case 😢
I agree I’ve got 6 and they are all very different but one thing that’s not is that I could and would never have been able to turn my back on them for two minutes at 18 months far less take a nap !
She was taking strong medications that cause sleepiness and memory issues, the baby's mother should know better than to let her babysit her small children
@@ShonaPeterson13 if it is an overnight sitting of your grandchild - you are supposed to be awake 24/7????
Not realistic.
Granddad was more culpable for the first death. He was responsible for not waking Tracy up when he left.
Did the grandpa leave when she was already sleeping? Kind of wondering what he’s doing to help
A possible 8 years in prison? I think 8 years in a mental hospital would be more appropriate. Definitely something terribly wrong with this woman. This case is simply devastating.
She's knows what she's doing is wrong. She doesn't care. Her actions show that. It's covert narcissism. Who takes ambien knowing they're watching a child?! Also she put her daughter through an entire trial, but she gave zero explanation testifying bc there isn't one! My mother is a covert narcissist and anyone looking at her would think she's a caring person from the outside. She's worked with children doing childcare and worked in elderly nursing homes doing cleaning, but she's extremely psychologically and emotionally abusive. That's what is going on here. Pure negligence. She just had lunch with her grand baby. She even went back to the car!
@@reneegardner2286 Narcissist is not the correct term, this is pure psychopathy.
She votes Democrat. She’s ’pro-choice’ even after the event. A disgusting example of credible white voters (I am white myself)
Her playing the piano in the house whilst the baby is baking in a hot car is the stuff of horror movies
@@reneegardner2286ok but what if there's absolutely no history of her behaving like this outside of her old age? Idk my brain can't comprehend this level of evil. Did they test her for Alzheimer's or anything?
By this logic, I can easily think of a lot of people who have committed crimes who don't need to go to prison because they won't learn anything in prison. Some crimes deserve punishment, and not rehabilitation. Being responsible for the deaths of two children through her gross negligence screams for punishment.
Imagine if you were in Tracey's situation where a child had accidentally died in your care and then you were given the care if another child. Unless you were a complete psychopath, tending to that child would be the first and only thing in your mind. it would be impossible to forget the child and not remember that you had accepted the responsibility of looking after them. I feel that she murdered both the children and likely has a condition similar to a serial killer or Munchausen's by Proxy where she gets a secret thrill out of this.
I agree - she was smirking in her jail photo, not a normal reaction for a grandmother who did what she did. I would also add that it was strange that she got into the car and drove around the property to look for Ezra. I mean, if the child was running around on the property, she could have driven over him. She also took her time with calling first responders both times. The whole thing is off.
I agree. There is something more malicious than just forgetfulness going on here. Small children that belong to her daughter Kayla just seem to have a habit of dying when left in her care.
I agree, too. She ‘forgets’ the very first time she’s babysitting again? I’d be so damned stressed that I wouldn’t even go to the loo without the little one with me. I’m surprised the prosecution didn’t present this theory. Perhaps they thought that nobody would buy that this School Principal would ever be like that. (Of course, we all know that school teachers can be some of the worst abusers, because they are trusted).
That theory is very unlikely, because she frequently stayed with her grandchildren. Also it is almost impossible to prove. Assuming she killed her grandchildren on purpose, don't you think that sombody will observe her strange behavior or signs of mental problems. Probably there are good psychiatrists that could diagnose her and exclude her madness.
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As a grandmother of 11, I find this extremely heartbreaking. As a parent, 2:00 I just can't understand the parents' decision to leave a second child with the grandmother. Thanks Dr Grande. You always help us understand situations better.
well she kinda killed the first one, but damn we in a bind and need a sitter. whats the over/under granny will Epstein our other kid?
People are very insensitive it took her a long time to get over the situation and forgive her mom and it was considered a tragic accident because as Dr grande pointed out the first child left the home while they had been napping which he had never been known to be able to do before. Everybody is Monday morning quarterbacking on this issue but I think most parents would eventually let the grandmother have short visits with their grandchildren. @@mikesapp3241
Lapse of judgement and hope for a neutral outcome. Lots of people make an ultimatum but when confronted with day to day needs you can convince yourself you are being too inflexible. Unfortunately this ended in another death.
@@mikesapp3241right? Who tf would have thought. I personally wouldn't leave a fly with that woman again, but I can see how someone would think no WAY can lightning strike twice.
My thoughts exactly.
I came home to my MIL sleeping and my 2- and 4-year olds on their own. Babysitting had to stop. Too dangerous. We literally moved, in part, to keep her from babysitting. We got lucky-our kids could have ran outside, too. Scary.
Yes! Dr. Grande missed the point that she made mistakes out of child neglect.
You weren't capable of remaining where you were and changing the boundaries and just no longer have her babysit anymore? I know you said it wasn't the only thing however I'm concerned you have issues saying NO! For the well-being of your child, that's frightening
@beth She stopped watching our kids. Moving made it easier to avoid the topic. 🙂
My mom tossed one of my indoor cats outside once when she was cat sitting and I was away on vacation. Guess who I don't ask to watch my cats anymore? And cats are far less important than a child....
Why would she put your cat outside when she was supposed to be caring for it?
@Meela234 She was cleaning up a bit without me asking to be nice, and had done a load of laundry. One of my cats was really attached to me because I bottle fed him as a baby. He peed in the laundry basket cause he was mad we weren't home so she threw him outside to pee I think? She thought he would come back tbh but he didn't...I was devastated 💔
@@GFYKTHXBYE Cats are so clean, generally, but if they're pissed off they will pee on things out of despair/frustration . My cat peed on my curtains when I was away in the U.K.& my mother would visit daily to feed /water her. As soon as I returned home she never peed on anything other than her appropriate kitty litter spot ,ever. Sorry for your loss of your sweet boy.
Terrible. Animal companion life is just as precious as human. They are innocent as children.
@@ritanandori1850 You're kidding, right? I'm all for treating an animal kindly but it in no way rises to the level of a human being. A human is born in the image of God.
As a “retired” ICU RN I have a couple of thoughts on this. If I was the grandma, if one grandchild was lost under my care, I would not trust myself to ever watch any grandchildren ever again. If I was the mom, I would not trust grandma to care for any of my children. It’s not about forgiveness-it’s about Alzheimer’s disease or any dementia that might be beginning in grandma. I can’t recall if Tracy (or grandma’s) age was given-but it doesn’t matter given dementia-or even meds that grandma is on-might be the problem or reason for the “forgetfulness.” Along with that could be the beginning of an undiagnosed mental illness. So for both grandma’s and the grandchild’s sake-as a mom I would not have grandma babysit. Now I have a health care background. For those who don’t have that, they should set up an appointment with the pediatrician or family physician and talk this over with them. It might not only save a life-it might also save a huge heartache.❤️
friend, you’re so right. it doesn’t matter if she was forgetful or not, two children were killed on her watch
@dawnfollett9215. Dr Grande said Tracey was born in April 1957.
Something is mentally wrong with this grandmother. She is not well.. sleepy and forgetful.
I’m an Adult Nurse Practitioner and have an extensive medical background of 47 years. This woman was tested for dementia and Alzheimer’s by the defense and was found to be of normal range for her age. She was just forgetful and in my opinion very complacent. Who naps when you are caring for a toddler? What mother leaves a child in the care of someone who is responsible for the death of one of your other children? She didn’t call or text her mother to check on the baby anytime during these afternoon hours. If she had done so, it would have reminded her mother the child was in the car. This woman deserves the harshest punishment available.
@ I don’t wish to argue on the whole topic-like I said, if I were the mom who already
lost one of my little ones in the care of grandma-I would not have grandma care for anymore of my children. The grandma you said was “found to be of normal range for her age.” I don’t know what that exactly means in terms of “normal range for her age,” because irregardless grandma was not a reliable caregiver for her grandchildren. Without a doubt mom was not a reliable caregiver of her own little ones. I don’t know what her punishment should be-and I don’t know if it would even change her parenting skills. I wonder what mom’s mom (grandma’s) parenting skills were like when her daughter was young. Like so many parents (and adults in general)-they don’t get it how fragile life is at any age. I wouldn’t do well as a pediatric nurse-returning kids back to irresponsible parents. ❤️
P.S. I do not have children.
As a grandmother, I'm absolutely not buying this memory failure bs.
She had already allowed a child to die by not being alert and paying attention. This woman is either mentally ill, or a very shitty person. I hope she goes to jail. This was criminal negligence.
she's a pill head
Your toddler grandson is missing and you drive around instead of checking the pond first? Then when you are allowed to watch your granchild for the first time after this you forget about her? I have to wonder if more is going on here... Dementia or something more sinister?? I don't know but it just seems off to me.
Exactly. Just because it appears to be accidental does not mean it was. I’m not buying this bs.
Covert narcissistm.
@@reneegardner2286
Get off it!
YOU seem to be the narcissist here!
Obviously you are perfect and everybody else should be in prison!
I hope when you make your NEXT mistake, it becomes public knowledge so we can all judge you as harshly as you judge others!!
I feel the exact same way. They have simply taken her word that she “forgot”
@@RR_9595 exactly 💯
I just can't believe someone can be this oblivious after the first incident.
A woman named Paula Sims murdered her second daughter Heather in almost the identical way she murdered her first daughter Lorelai. She claimed an intruder knocked her out while she was taking out the garbage & abducted her daughters.
When she arrived at her home with the child in car and was probably aware of her own tendency to forget important things she should have taken the child out of the car when she exited a the vehicle. Did she have any explanation at all why the baby was left in the car in the first place. Did the prosecution seek a mental competence assessment of the Granny…that’s a factor blowing in the wind which was pivotal in my opinion.
Yes, she should have been hyper vigilant
Ok, try to imagine that situation in your head, then try to imagine that same situation except the old person is on 9 different medications.
No one can be this absurdly absentminded. Christ. I’m wondering if that woman has other deaths in her past that nobody knows about. No one is that stupid.
What I see is a Grandmother who really cared less about her own grandchildren. How do you *forget* that you are taking care of a child? How do you *forget* that you're watching *your own grandchild?* Just to be allowed to watch her, when she hadn't been trusted to do so, you would think that she would have cherished ever second....if for no other reason but to prove she was trustworthy and that the first _accident_ was actually an accident. I have a horrible memory, but I think I could remember that I just picked my grandbaby up and what a blessing to have her in my care. I DISAGREE with you on this one Dr. Grande!
Yes definitely she should still be held responsible for child neglect just like others have in similar scenarios.
I forgot once, for a split second. The child was sitting at the kitchen table, I was watching her closely, but suddenly, someone else demanded my attention over some fuss, and even though I was standing right next to the child, I turned to address whatever matter the other person was bugging me about, forgetting about the child, and in that second, literally a second, she fell off the chair. I will never forget (pun not intended) that awful feeling that a switch turned off in my brain. At that moment, I stopped judging these parents and grandparents who forget. Because I had become one of them. All it took was a second.
@ The difference is she didn't forget for a second, she forgot for hours. How is that possible not to have it cross your mind what you did earlier in the day and what you were suppose to be doing now? I'm in my early 60s and I'm very forgetful, but never with anything that is important and what could be more important than a child? The first child's death I could see, but not excuse...the second is a totally different scenario, almost like it was on purpose. The only excuse I could see is some kind of brain damage or dementia.
@@LifesAPeach2Me Well, there's gotta be some excuse. This doesn't seem to be willful negligence. I mean, she didn't intend to kill the babies.
That being said, if anything had ever happened to my grandkid under my watch, the following would have happened in order of possibility: A) Remove myself from this planet; B) Ask a judge to lock me up for life; C) Disappear to another country and never watch a child again.
As a grandmother, I discovered that there can be a greater grief than losing your child: it's watching your child lose their child. But to be responsible for that loss? The worst horrible nightmare.
If I were responsible for the death of two of my grandchildren I wouldn’t want to live! Those poor babies, and the rest of the family! 😢Thank you Dr. Grande for your video of this tragedy!
Same. I would probably take my own life.
Yes, but the same feeling would prevent you from killing your grandchildren. She did not have this feeling
She could have saved her daughter court, she seemed more concerned about herself than her granddaughter
I told my mom this story and she looked at me and said "God, just kill me at that point"
Its something about old age. I love my grand kids even more than the kids.
Who takes a nap when they're watching a toddler? what kind of man leaves the house knowing his wife is napping while their toddler grandson is in their care? They should BOTH do time!
Maybe Tracey had early onset Alzheimer's.
My first, immediate thought !!
Yeah I don’t understand that. You are looking after a little baby. You are responsible for their wellbeing. 😮
It sounds as though the mother has dementia. Who does this!
@lizstraub6621 this case upset me so much because something similar happened with someone I know. I dated a man for almost a year and as it got close to Christmas he started telling me about the holiday strain in his family. His sister had his parents watch her children while she met with her divorce lawyer. She came to get the kids and one was dead in the pool. Both the grandparents were on their computers in separate rooms. They both said they thought they could surf the web a while because they thought the other was watching the kids. Her ex got full custody of their baby and a big point was made of how the toddler died on her watch. My boyfriend at the time was distressed because his sister was still mad at their parents. He didn't understand how she could ruin Christmas over an accident. I very much sided with the sister and was flabbergasted that he felt the child's death was just a whoopsie. It's amazing how we can all view things differently
The fact she didn't plead and made her daughter go through a trial is another failure of Tracy's. This lady disgusts me. she changed nothing about her behavior after the first death on her watch.
When they read the verdict and I saw Uriel’s mom about to pass out, I had tears in my eyes. Cannot imagine losing two of your precious babies and so close in time to eachother. If I was Tracey Nix, I would’ve be able to live with myself and would’ve just plead guilty and spend my time in prison repenting to God.
I think that the biggest crime here is that Tracy allowed this to go to trial, making both of her daughters testify against her. The least she could have done for her family would have been to pled guilty and avoided the trial.
This was intentional. No one is that stupid.
Well yeah of course she’d pass out, this is all her fault. No hair appointment is more important than a child’s life
She should’ve been filled with guilt after the first child, this should never have happened again
She wasn't faultless. She left her child with a woman who was already responsible for her first child's death, because of a HAIR APPOINTMENT. Everybody sucks here. Did they even investigate? It seems really suspicious, like Grandma was on drugs or something.
Why would the grandfather leave the house if Grandma was asleep, not watching the 16 month old?
Yes why??? He's just as guilty in my opinion for doing that 💔.
How did he not know she was watching another grandchild after never having bring allowed to again
Because it wasn't his biological grandchild, I bet it was his idea. You seen the same picture of him that I did, doesn't he have evil look in his eyes?
She fell asleep 'after' he left
Neither one gave a 💩 about their grand kids.
Now imagine losing two babies in just one year at the hands of your own mother. That blows my mind.
My first grade teacher lost her daughter the same way the first little one passed (it happened while she was teaching). The little girl managed to sneak away from the grandma while she was tending to the twin who had health issues/ needed treatment due to seizures. It was a horrendous accident and the grandmother (who was a nurse) ended up passing away a year later. Everyone knew that it wasn't her fault and most of the church/ community all tried to help her but the poor woman just failed to live on.
Many many years ago i took my toddler to daycare before heading to work and when i went to get her out if the backseat she was not there, i started shaking, panicking, crying and called my husband at the time only to find it was his day to take her to daycare on his way to work and she was safely inside. Like Dr. Grande says you can actually confabulate a memory of something that did not happen.
Hindsight is 20/20, if you share responsibility, choose either picking up or drop off but don’t switch up the days. I still feel queasy thinking back on this event. Both my daughters are healthy and grown and i have four grandchildren that I’ve babysat through the years without incident but i will never forget that day, it’s seared into my memory.
Edit: And if you must switch up days have a firm plan to every day confirm, baby is at daycare or baby is home through a text message.
My heart goes out to you.
I dont have kids but I would imagine cell phone alarms could help reminding you of such things, no ?
@@josealqueres yes! or put something you need in the backseat like a handbag or a briefcase for work, jacket. The thing about my second baby was she was so quiet. In my case i had the reverse situation, i thought i had forgotten her but i did not. She was safely at daycare.
Thanks for sharing this story. I was struggling to agree with the doc this time but your story helps clarify his points.
Sounds like your brain did its job well by etching it into your memory!
@@finleys_mama5891 to this day i don’t understand why i created a false memory.
There is something seriously wrong with that grandmother. I hope someone forgets about her some day.
Literally. Shane she would put her daughter through a trial thos heartbreaking them zero explanation on the stand. Pathetic
I would take my mother for a drive out to the mountains and forget her deep in the woods if I was in this situation. She'd still have a chance, at least.
Then again, my mother was a bit of a monster without killing anyone I loved, which may not have been the case with this woman.
You made me laugh out loud w/ that comment. Thanks
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Dr g. I was really surprised in your opinion of this case. If you watch the trial, would have seen that the baby was with her for a while at lunch and after she came home, she actually got back in her car again to go take Tea to her husband on the property..also , it was brought up in court that she watched the kids on a regular basis, so this was not out of the ordinary to have one or more. She had no problem, remembering all her church and friend functions and most disgusting. She didn’t show any remorse.!! .
It's so WILD to me that the mother let the grandmother watch her other child after what happened to the first one.
Well I mean she had a hair appointment. And when you canceled last minute on a hair salon you have to go to jail. Sometimes they execute for you for that. Oh wait, none of that's true. The worst thing that will happen to you is you might get a cancellation fee. I agree why in God's name would you ever let this woman be in charge of your child again. Everybody can go on about how it was an accident but how when you're babysitting do you decide that's a good time to take a nap and go out and run errands. Also how long was that nap. That to get to the pond. Normally you have to take a a four-wheeler to get there and this kid was able to get out the garage, get through the fence and walk all the way to the pond and drown before you even realize he was missing. No, it might have not been willful neglect but it was still neglectful. And I bet you that she didn't forget her phone.
@@LLandS18Exactly. You are right on point about the phone. Apparently that's highly more important than a precious baby. And of course, a hair appointment is super important. I would had canceled the appointment and do my own hair at home. And what's wrong about taking your baby with you? I hate these people having children and still wanting to live as if nothing would ever changed in their daily routines after being a parent and that priorities would not need to be re-arranged.
@@LLandS18agreed. But let's not forget that mom knew the history and chose a haircut over her living child. Forgotten baby syndrome is the least troubling part of this story. It was willful neglect to leave another child with her mother. Something obviously wrong there.
You'd think after NOT being allowed to watch your grandbaby because of what happened to the first grandbaby...you'd be hyper diligent with that child. How do you *forget* that you're watching a child...let alone your own grandchild? You'd think she would cherish every last second of being with that baby, plus wanting to prove to her daughter that she was capable. The woman is vile and beyond negligent. For the first time, I don't agree with Dr. Grande!
I think if it were me, I would want to give my own mother another chance. This baby was 7 months old and couldnt walk like the first one did. The first child got out of a door and ended up in a nearby retention pond next to the house. I would want to give my mother another chance to let her know I didnt blame her for the first childs incident. Yes it was her 'fault' but its not like she intentionally drowned the toddler. Accidents DO happen. And its not like she gave the grandmother the child for a very long period of time, only a few hours and this still happened.
I feel she needed some punishment, but they overcharged her during trial. She deserves 10 years for this at least. Even if its another accident, she has now exhibited an extraordinary amount of negligence. These were two very preventable deaths.
The death of the first baby was criminal. A caretaker cannot sleep or nap while a 17 month old wanders around a 3,000 sq. ft. house. Anything could happen even inside the house. One cannot count on "low probability" events not to happen. The caretaker has to have eyes on the child at all times and be within hands-on reach of the child at all times. Yes, it's exhausting. I understand she was on some pretty heavy-duty medications (granny has to nap) but that's no excuse.
Agree but grandfather was awake inside the house when the grandmother took her nap.
I want to know why the grandfather thought it was okay to leave when grandmother was sleeping❓. And I bet grandfather left the interior door to the garage open‼️
This is so heartbreaking 💔.
@@777Pattie Yes, I agree.
I didn't know that. Do you know what she was taking?
@@SweetSassyBullI know for sure she was on ambien. Not sure if there were other meds. Why on earth someone would take that knowing they’re responsible for watching a young child is beyond my comprehension. We already know affects of ambien. 😢
@@saraha5847Many thanks for the info 👍
The bigger question is why was the grandmother napping when responsible for a 16 month old baby??? If my husband and I are watching our grandchild, we stay awake. If one needs to nap, the other takes charge. Grandma napping and grandpa running errands screams negligence to me.
Where did she believe the baby to be while she was napping?
Forgetting a precious grandchild under your watch is a crime. As a grandparent, 100% of my attention was on that child.
You would think, given that she didn’t regularly watch the children due to the first incident, that she would be absolutely focused on her responsibility the second time.
Even while you were driving a car, your attention was 100% on your grandchild and not the road?
@@JeffreyAllanBackowski Don’t be asinine.
It is weird that the daughter forgot her hairdressing appointment too until prompted by an automated message from the salon.
Read the article Fatal Distraction. Anyone can forget a child is in the car.
I knew this, so I was extra careful. I knew it could happen to me. It could happen to anyone. It has nothing to do with how much you love a child or how important the child is.
come on... she is guilty AF for both..
Probably the daughter knows that her mom struggles with all these memory issues. I know people like that. 😢
Agree 💯
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There may be something deeper and more sinister about how this woman's mind works. No way anyone minding a toddler should be napping while a toddler is running around. I guess playing the piano to not hear the screams of a toddler roasting in a car is a good idea. Resentment, selfishness and spitefulness have ways of presenting themselves through human actions. Just my opinion.
I’m astounded you say that 25% of parents had, at least once, forgotten a child in a vehicle…!!
What??? I’ve had 4 children, (now grown 24-34y/o) and never ever, not even close, did I leave a child or forget I left a child in a vehicle. Not. Even. Close.
I don’t get it…
"Think of how dumb the average person is, then realize half of them are dumber than that"
Well, you’re in the 75%
So you're in the 75%. That doesn't mean the other 25% don't exist
This. I suffered a career ending injury where my short term memory is impacted. I have trouble with short term memory processing although long term is unaffected.
I have 2 kids, one of whom was born after my injury. Even I have never forgotten my children. It just baffles me.
It increased a hundred fold after airbags due to children being placed in the backseat.
Leaving my child with a caregiver, family or not, and my child dies under their care, never again would I trust them with another child
Especially a a young child like this case. Perhaps after the kids are old enough to be more self-sufficient but likely not even then.
Exactly. I’m at a loss regarding mom’s decision making. For a hair appointment? Either my baby can come with me or I have to reschedule because what’s not going to happen is the grandma/grandpa watching her. Priorities.
What if I was watching your kid and a huge bird grabbed them and flew away, would you blame that on me?
Especially for a haircut. I certainly wouldn’t leave an infant all day with someone for a one hour hair appointment either
@@JeffreyAllanBackowski No, but that's not what happened so that scenario is a moot point.
I think she got off light, she accepted responsibility for a toddler, and fell asleep allowing him to drown. She accepted responsibility for an infant and completely forgot it existed and let it roast to death in a hot car for nearly three hours. She didn't care in the slightest for the grandkids, clearly it was passed on to her daughter who was either too stupid or just didn't care about her kids to leave her infant with someone who already caused the death of one of her children. Mind boggling. The only thing that would spare her is if she wasnt sound of mind.
The first death was as a result of a grandparent falling asleep while caring for a toddler who is active during the day. That is negligent. What grandmother sleeps while a toddler is up and active? If the child were napping in a safe place, that would be understandable. The grandmother forgot the child a second time. Two dead grandchildren. It's exponentially unlikely and very, very sad. Bad all the way around. Prison serves as punishment. The justification is serving time for something which is a felony in our society. Jail is punishment AND learning lessons, having wake up calls, spiritual experiences, many purposes and great outcomes can result from prison. She can have a life she starts over in prison. There's no justice in the unfortunate death of people. Punishment in this case.
Also why did her husband leave to run errands without thinking that maybe he should wake her up and let her know he was leaving and the toddler was unsupervised? Just a thought.
She was also let go from her job as a principal for memory issues.
She probably murdered both, straight up
Grandpa was there and left the house while grandma was asleep.
There were TWO adults in that house:
The grandpa was awake
I'm sad that so many people are blaming the babies mother for letting her watch the baby. I saw an interview with her where she said after the first child died everybody was criticizing her for keeping the baby away and not forgiving the "accident" the grandmother was a retired principal. In small towns education leaders are treated like they can do no wrong. I understand how when she was grief stricken and the whole town was ganging up on her she started to doubt her judgment and give in.
Still the whole mob was wrong. She definitely was partly guilty. Better to spend money in babysitters than free with a killing demented grandmother.
I agree! I feel so bad for the mother being blamed first for letting the second baby stay with the grandmother and then being criticized for testifying against her. Twilight zone!!!
There is some blame for her to take. I believe it was an honest mistake, but the mother of the baby is partly to blame as well. If one of my kids passed, in your care, you’d never get another chance to keep my kids again.
Ummmm I wouldn’t care if the entire US had a problem with me, I’m protecting my child. Period. A grown woman failing to make appropriate decisions to ensure their child’s safety is preposterous
this is interesting twist, my mother is 75 and retired principle from small southern town, her Dementia has gotten so bad we couldnt let her babysit toddlers.
Many years ago we accidentally left my 6 month old sister in her car seat in the driveway of a cabin that we had rented for the weekend. We had packed up the station wagon and got about 20 miles down the road when someone realized we didn't have the baby. We went screaming back to the the cabin at speeds in excess of 100mph. She was sitting there safe and sound in her car seat wondering why we were so upset.
That's a terrible story.
Whew! So glad all was well for you and yours.
@@helenzass411that can happen to anyone which is the broader point.
If she was truly sorry for what she did, why not plead guilty? Why make the family go thru a trial? “She maintains her innocence.” Really?? I would be begging them to bury me under the prison
Narcissistic people are never guilty it’s others people fault.
The point being what the charges were that she was pleading to. I can understand feeling guilty & wanting to plead guilty as a punishment but it would be contingent upon what I'd be pleading guilty to.
@@mrazik131I as a psychiatrist get sick of people throwing around the term narcissism when they're not a qualified physician as it's a rare diagnosis & two, there's nothing to suggest she was, most likely an organic illness like dementia.
Bc I imagine she doesn't consider something happening unintentionally to be grounds for prison.
Could you imagine forgetting something and being convicted for 8 years in prison for a mistake.
I get that this wasn't forgetting the laundry or whatever but as you age, *nothing* works as it used to.
I get it!
I don't sleep well, I'm always tired and everything hurts ALL THE TIME!!
My memory isn't what it used to be either!
Just like all the other women, I've experienced cognitive decline with menopause, should I be in prison too bc I'm forgetful?!
No mine has not ended 2 small people but a mistake is just that, an unintentional mistake!
I imagine when YOU make a mistake, you forgive yourself bc of your reasoning as to why it happened but other people HAVE NO EXCUSE do they?!
@@sweetmissypetuniawilson9206 The reasons you mentioned are the very reasons she wasn’t charged with murder. There was no intent. There was, however, negligence. Twice.
I don’t know if you followed the Sarah Boone case but the key word she repeatedly used during her interrogation was “unintentional,” as if that alone absolved her of all culpability. It obviously didn’t as she’s in prison because someone died due to her action / inaction. But she was not charged with intentional homicide. Mrs. Nix is guilty of negligence at the very least and it has cost her dearly. I’m not even referring to her potential prison sentence
The "one-time lapse in judgment would not establish culpable negligence" law and the "not permitted to use the prior incident as evidence of culpable negligence" are not logically consistent with each other.
I knew a woman who was a schoolbus driver. She accidentally hit a child with the bus, and the child died. It took years of therapy. She hated herself and didn't want to live. After about 10 years, she wanted to try again, because she truly loved being a bus driver for children. Within 2 months, it happened again. It was just a terrible accident that happened twice. I cannot imagine the hell that woman lives with.
Wow.
Terrible accidents can & do happen more than once but our minds can be our own worst enemy & trick us into thinking that events like that happening on more than the one off occasion is not just a coincidence. I have no doubt that poor bus driver lady does indeed endure all sorts of psychological hell & zero fault of it is her own.
no coincidences
There’s thousands of bus drivers with clean records and that lady manages to hit a kid twice? Some self fulfilling prophecy or she must’ve bussed around a rough area or something
There is no way on gods green earth that I would have ever left my second baby with her!! This case is bizarre and the grandmother does need to have some kind of punishment. She caused the death of TWO grand children!!! There is something seriously wrong with this woman.
And prison rarely rehabilitates people.
Bizarre is the word that came to my mind as well. I heard another report that Tracey Nix was taking multiple prescriptions. It's interesting that Dr. Grande didn't touch that with a ten foot pole. A lot of meds leave people a few bricks shy of a load. Sometimes I wonder what scrips health care providers might be strung out on, other than money, that is.
I can’t listen to this anymore. No more excuses.
She is guilty, no excuses. She smirked in her mugshot and seemed cocky in court over past couple years. She has other grandchildren whom she never harmed, just that certain daughter. She refused to testify and had no history of memory failure, forgetfulness, confusion, only with the 2 kids of that specific daughter.
One could be a mistake-but not twice. Psychopath was probably jealous of the babies that her daughter gave them more attention
This is what I was thinking
Utterly ridiculous and an easy accusation to throw around when you're not personally affected. As a psychiatrist I get sick of people throwing around terms that are actually pretty rare diagnosis. There's nothing to suggest she was a psychopath- you clearly need to evaluate your inductive reasoning processes. It's more likely, if anything, that she had an organic brain illness.
@@AnyaAnnika67from what I've read, after the first incident, apparently the grandmother put a lot of effort into trying to reverse the daughter's decision to not let her babysit again, including guilt tripping the daughter into letting her babysit another child. Just adding that detail to consider.
I think the first one was an accident, but that she really enjoyed the drama and attention she got from it, so she did it again on purpose. Or, she was mad at her daughter for not letting her babysit after the first incident and wanted payback. That dry eyed smirk in the mugshot. Either way something is way off with this lady psychologically, and I have concerns about her daughter's mental health as well.
@@AnyaAnnika67 I don’t need to be a psychiatrist to tell someone is a psychopath. I have common sense. And no, sociopaths and psychopaths are very common, if you pay attention to the world and not “professionals”.
This conclusion is completely wrong.
The grandmother was a retired teacher and school principal.
It is very strange that after spending a career lifetime working with children and ensuring their safety that she would be do irresponsible with the lives of her own grandchildren TWICE!
Lock her up! It’s almost as if she didn’t want her grandchildren to live 😢😢😢
A complete non sequitur argument that won't hold up in court.
Her whole demeanour in court in all the videos I've watched are also "very off". She doesn't seem right and she doesn't exactly appear a broken woman which I would imagine almost any other grandmother would be.
@Jenna.mnadvocate I agree. I think it's nearly plain as day that this grandmother had a blatant personality disorder. The actions she took during and after the first killing make it apparent, let alone the second killing. She got away with two homicides, in my opinion. If Dr Grande was being fair, he'd have used her smug, smiling mugshot rather than the mask she's wearing for the court in the video thumbnail. :( Those poor babies, and the poor mother of those babies.
And did she drink alcohol at lunch?
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If she was in anyway still working with a school district, she would by law be a mandated reporter for child abuse and neglect.
Her actions here show that she herself was neglectful TWICE when charged with the duty of looking after the welfare of 2 children.
Also, if she was in no way still working for, volunteering with, or advising a school district, her career of being responsible for the welfare of children still is part of her character and training.
What about the angle of “the woman didn’t like being a grandmother and intentionally left certain doors unlocked and wanted to make the car death look like a tragic accident”. Having two grandchild deaths this close together is absolutely unfathomable and unimaginable. There’s something wrong here! She’s guilty. Sorry, but she is.
Due to this very situation is the reason I used to put my purse in the back seat when my children were little and in car seats I had to turn around to get my purse seeing the children so I didn’t get distracted and forgot them 😢
Yes, or something else that you MUST have to get back inside eg the house keys. Put them with the child. That way you can’t get back home without the kid being w you. Such a sad story 😢
Smart.
Yes this is definitely something I will do should I ever have or take care of a baby. I'm a forgetful person but something is seriously off in this case on so many levels. Ultimately, two separate events implies extreme dysfunction, negligence, and an overall lack of care.
I can't comprehend a person forgetting a baby in a car. Sadly her memory is short maybe due to her age or early stages of dementia.
After losing her grandson it seems that she would of been more cautious.
Thank you Dr. Grande
I call bulls4&t..
Yes exactly right its incomprehensible
Agree 100% this woman is not dealing with a full deck. I also worry that this will destroy her daughter's marriage, as her husband would understandably be furious that his wife let her mother babysit when that had been forbidden. I raised 3 children to adulthood, and cared for many nieces and nephews. There was no reason IMHO for Kayla to NOT have taken that poor baby girl to the hair salon with her. I pray for the babies' souls and that Kayla's husband doesn't lose it and do something he'll regret. What a mess, and a horrible tragedy.
She's only 65. how can you say her age?? 65 is not that old, trust me.
@lizstraub6621 and also if I had to weigh up a decision of whether to leave child with someone who already showed neglect or cancel a hair appointment. I would just cancel the appointment
I still think it’s culpable negligence. All that research about “forgetting things” implies that people with “forgotten baby syndrome” treated the babies like objects rather than people. Had she been watching the baby girl properly and been interacting with her throughout the car ride, she wouldn’t have forgotten her when she arrived home.
I cannot understand that despite the grandfather being present at the home during each death, he was not considered to have any responsibility in the deaths. He knew they were babysitting but took no notice of what was happening to them until they died!! He is just as negligent and irresponsible.
he wasn't at home during the first death. he had left to run errands and when the grandmother woke up she called the grandfather and said she couldn't find him. he then came home
Couldn't he have woken her up before leaving?
It's always the woman's fault
@@mjgerleman I would say but I didn't watch the trial so I do not know for sure that she was asleep before he left. Seems to me he would have enough sense to know not to leave the house with an awake toddler and a sleeping babysitter/grandmother. its just that I do not know for sure she was asleep at that point.
@@mjgerleman Exactly. It was clearly stated that she was asleep on the couch when he left!
Grandma being sent to prison serves as a deterrent to others who care for a child in a mindless unreasonabe senseless manner. If you take on the responsibilty to care for an infant you better know what you are doing.
Also probably makes a lot of grandparents think twice about accepting to have their grandkids dumped on them whenever their kid wants to go get their nails done.
If it was the script for a B grade horror movie you would be wondering ‘does she hate her daughter?’
mom should buy her kid a shirt that reads “everything’s worse at grandma’s house”
I have to wonder how her kids made it to adulthood.
It’s amazing that the women’s daughter survived to adulthood to become a mother herself with such a mother.
I'm sure she was a latch key kid and raised herself.
the grandmother might be getting senile, for this reason she accidentally caused the death of the babies. She wasn't like this all her life.
I will NEVER understand how anyone "forgets" a child!!
My first wife, before we were married had lost her first 2 sons, who were left in a car while the caretaker went shopping, both didn't survive due to heat. She was pregnant with her third son. She suffered from that loss massively. Prosecuting the the caretaker who was convicted actually provided little benefit. It destroyed her first marriage and left her with issues for life.
Devastating.
My goodness, I’m so sorry to hear that ❤
I cannot fathom enduring something so devastating. That is absolutely awful 😭
I’m truly sorry for her loss; however, knowing the guilty are put away does help, even if it does not erase the tragedy.
you are correct. I don't know if it actually helped. It was my sense that it would have been worse if there had been no consequences. That was over 50 years ago, and people still leave children in cars and they die from heat.
You’re wrong that forgetting for longer is no worse than forgetting for a shorter time.
She not only forgot that she left Uriel in the car - she forgot to check on her for three hours. Even if she’d taken her inside, those three hours would have been a serious failure.
When working at a daycare, one day I left a toddler in our (enclosed) backyard playground. As soon as I got back inside I realized I had 3 kids instead of 4 and ran out after him. He was fine, didn't even realize anything was amiss. I can't imagine forgetting about the child you are watching for 3 whole hours. I don't believe it was an accident.
I think it goes more to the fact that she forgot she had a child with her that day at all, not that she realized she was babysitting and forgot to check on him frequently enough, its an extension of forgetting she ever had him at all in the first place.
But i agree that objectively its worse and clearly the effect is worse, the difference between life and death
GOOD POINT!
Also, the mom didn't call or anything to check up on how was grandma doing with the baby for THREE HOURS.
A prison sentence would send a message to the public about taking child safety seriously. Justice for Uriel. Her family failed her.
Her hard lesson is that she needs to pay attention when someone's life is in her hands. She should have learned before the first death to either not take responsibilities she can't handle or put safety measures in place. There should have been safety locks on the doors and she should have taken safety precautions with the second, like putting one of her shoes in the back seat. I couldn't disagree with Dr Grande more on this one.
She could have even refused to look after the second child….err on the side of caution
To just satisfy a need for government vengeance in this case is useless and non-productive. It would serve no purpose. People aren't going to stop being forgetful because they did a stretch. It's involuntary, like breathing. You won't stop breathing if you were told not to and went to jail for breathing. It's a horrible story, granted. And it may feel good to you that "someone has to pay" but it's intellectually lazy and a bad precedent. Dr. Grande is correct. You accept that the woman is very likely to forget and adjust accordingly, as in keeping her away from anything that requires sharp cognitive skills. Prison just wastes money in a case like this and would accomplish nothing.
Im very interested in what her kids childhood was like. And thw kids at the school she worked
How about a simple text conversation to the Mom “I am home now” “how is the baby?” “Oh yes I have her in the house and she is fine” - more communication was needed
She should have pled guilty and been barred from caring for any child. Including her other grandchildren.
8:45 This is why prudent pilots always use a checklist, no matter how much they learn the checklist by heart.
She pled not guilty putting her family through a trial!
She showed no emotion whilst on trial, crocodile tears!
She should never had agreed to look after her grandchildren if she's becoming forgetful & not responsible. She showed no signs of devastation, had full control of her emotions. As a grandmother myself, i wouldn't have the will to live!
I dont understand how the grandfather did not ask about the baby since one child died already. We've never had a tragedy like this in our family but we check in with each other regardless. If anyone in my family had been in that house when the grandmother came home we would have said " where is the baby? Did you take her back home?
I am not sure that Grandpa knew she even had the baby. She picked up baby from mom, took baby out to lunch, then came home.
@@brandybarnett9953 plus he might not have even been home
It's not biological grandchild, he probably put her up to it.
Why didn't the mother check in?
I would have called within hour 1 checking in with gma
When my son was an infant, I parked at the grocery store and got out, locked the car and starting walking towards the door. I only got 4 or 5 steps before I remembered and ran back. I was so freaked out because I saw how it could happen even to me who is a careful person but really tired that morning 😑
I think thats the difference you where tired and probably hadn't been sleeping well. This lady wasn't looking after a baby full time it was only a few hours.
Thank you for sharing.
I never did that (not saying you're bad because you had a seconds-long lapse in memory), but I was so terrified, I taped notes to my steering wheel and my husband's, to remind us to check for the babies.
@@Sweet_Tooth_Art there are a lot of reasons why a person can be tired, looking after a child is not the only one
I had memory issues and would forget things I needed to do but I would never forget I had a child that I was responsible for. My baby was just always part of me and I was always so immersed in my parenting role that I was always on alert mode. My daily routines and my priorities totally changed after having my son ❤
I feel this woman is a serial baby killer. For whatever sick reason, she has some desire inside her heart to hurt her grandbabies. She might seek some sick attention from the grief and attention she gets from everyone over the loss. She thought she could pull this sick crap again because she got away with it the first time. I think she felt enough time has passed and she had this desire to let another grandbaby die, at her hands. She might love the attention that she isn't getting in her everyday life. She probably feels under appreciated in some way so she has to compensate for that. If you let a child to become injured or hurt under your care, you won't forget!! You make sure to watch those babies like a hawk next time and you make sure to never ever let any child under your care to be hurt in any way ever!!!. For her to let her daughter's children die under her care is incomprehensible!!! I hope she gets the full 8 yrs. She's no loving grandma!!! Yet she has made sure to set herself up under the public eyes that she's responsible and loves kids. Yet deep inside her heart and within her mind, she has the sick need to let her grandbabies die. Disgusting!
After the 1st grandchild died under her care. She got lucky that her daughter forgave her and trusted her again. You would think that she would watch that baby like a hawk. Set reminders since she was so “forgetful.” Is it dementia or did she just hate her daughter’s happiness?
Forgotten baby syndrome, this is nothing but a copout. Instead of holding people responsible for their actions they give it a name and give these people a pass. Just unbelievable.
Yes remember that creep who played video games while his baby girl roasted in a hot car down in FL. Guess he should just get a firm talking to and let go.
True. Well said!
Excellently said
@@rplace8737 Thank you, ✌🏼
@@Gremlins_rage Thank you, cool name ✌🏼
As a mother, grandmother and school principle she was completely negligent and reckless. After the tragic death of her grandson one would think she would have that baby glued to her!
She killed her granddaughter! Her husband is equally as ignorant, careless and negligent.
I agree 100%.
So wait. Her husband was awake and left the child and his SLEEPING spouse alone doors unlocked. He is equally at fault. Child alarms should be on all doors. Yikes.
Yes, he's totally at fault, he's culpable.
The grandmother had reportedly fallen asleep on the couch in the living room while her partner was running errands. So after he left the house.
He claims she was awake in the room and he left the baby asleep with her. She claims she was asleep.
Both cases are related through a ‘standard of care’. They both died because both adults weren’t lazer-focused on an under-3 year old. That is a duty, especially when child safety standards aren’t being met.
Thank you. More need to know. Child neglect in both situations. Others are held responsible for child neglect in similar circumstances.
Perhaps we should hear from Mrs. Dr. Grande and get her thoughts on this subject. Dr. Grande seems to be giving Tracy the benefit of the doubt and he’s wrong this time. We’re talking about 2 babies murdered by granny.
i don't know this lady her competence level or behavioral patterns i'm only speculating on what might be happening in a situation like this. but i can say this, once i was with my child at the pool trying to teach him to swim and someone said just throw him in the water and he will learn how to swim. another time i was hanging out with a different young lady and her 2 children, the children were playing on a very high sliding board which had no safe guards. i told her she should go watch the children so they would not fall and she said to me "children need to learn on their own" i told her "not while i am here" and i went to watch the children so they would not fall. fast forward i saw them again a few weeks later and the 5 year old daughter had a sling on her arm. i asked what happened she said they were playing on the same sliding board, the daughter fell down and broke her collar bone. i said that to say this!!! there are some people who are intentionally negligent.
Omg, my sister broke her collarbone on a trampoline when we were kids. She was hospitalized for weeks in traction. I can't believe that little girl's out walking around. It's a very painful injury.
@Hatbox948 might have just been a fracture I think it depends on how severe the break is
I feel so sorry for the poor mother. She trusted her mother TWICE, to take care of her children. I think it's really sad that people are blaming the mother for this. The comments on Instagram on this story are brutal. She ruined her daughter's life. For this to happen a second time is just awful. The poor daughter will never be able to have a normal relationship with her mother, ever again. Her mother's careless negligence resulted in the death of TWO of her daughter's children. It is basically unforgivable. I cannot IMAGINE doing this to either children. How brain dead to you have to be to do this? The poor mother. I cannot imagine how much pain she must be in, and the anger at her mother. What a horrible tragedy.
Who made that phone call to the daughter about the second child? 👀 I couldn’t even.
@@KayG1029 It was a cop showing up at her door telling her her child was dead. I read that the mother was confused at first, thinking the cop oddly was referring to her son who'd died months before. Ugh. Imagine her shock when she realized the cop was talking about her daughter.
I’m sure the pain is unbearable for the mother and the grandmother. At least for the second death, I think the fault is with the mother who left her infant with someone who was clearly incapable of caring for her.
Prison is not just about the rehabilitation of the wrong doer, it serves also as a healing mechanism for the victims to be aware that their suffering is being taken seriously, it also serves as a deterrent to show that certain behaviors have consequences and should be best avoided. 1 year in prison would have served everybody well in this case, especially the memory of a child who died without just cause because somebody was careless.
From the day I was told I was pregnant until the present I have never forgotten that I have a child and am responsible for his existence. That woman is irresponsible.
Don’t usually disagree with the doc. I do here. 😎✌🏼
Same.
Me too
Yes
Yes going to prison is not to be taught a lesson, it can be but that's not what it's about. It's about punishment and paying for your negligence and yes she was negligent. Who cares if she learns anything. She killed a baby in a horrible way where she meant to or not.
I do too.
She needs to be evaluated for dementia while she is behind bars. Something is wrong with her.
It ain't dementia. She hates her daughter. She's smirking in her mugshot.
Tracey turns 58 this year not 85
Let’s stop blaming forgetfulness, dementia and Alzheimers.
That mugshot speaks a thousand words 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
In the first incident with the boy, it sounds like the husband is at fault. Her husband should not have left to run errands, since his wife was asleep.
Cmon
Yes, I totally agree. Pop Pop has some responsibility as well.
I bet you 💯% that grandfather left the interior door leading to the garage open when he left the home leaving grandmother asleep with a wide awake toddler‼️🧐💔
He is way more culpable here than the grandmother, he made the conscious choice to leave a baby unattended. But no one even thinks of this because obviously the woman is supposed to be the caretaker.
Yup, who's to say he didn't grab the kid up while she was sleeping and toss him in the lake?
This is just all too much. Was the little boy taking a nap when the grandma fell asleep? You don’t sleep with a toddler running around. You Have To Watch Toddlers Constantly. And did he say the husband left while she was sleeping? WTH? And, was this the first time she had the new baby since the boy died?? Why wasn’t she being hyper aware? For 3 hours she forgot that a little earlier she was given a second chance to not kill a grandkid. This is really unbelievable. I don’t agree with the doctor. She should get a year or something. She obviously wasn’t too shaken up over the first kid. So, so sad.
Oh bologna that lady Tracy has a body count, 2 grandchildren from the same daughter within a year. Worst case of passive aggressive personality disorder that I've seen. If a grandparent was responsible for the death of one grandchild, don't you think that they would be more vigilant while watching the second? Plus she pleaded not guilty and made her daughter relive the tragedy. I would think that anyone who went to school for psychology could see that.
This is sickening. Never leave your children with a person responsible for the death of YOUR CHILD.
Was alcohol ever investigated regarding Tracey?
They arrested her immediately for the hot car death so they most likely tested her for substances. They probably would have gotten an easy conviction if she was found to be impaired which is a win for the police and the prosecutors office. I’d be surprised if they didn’t test her although the police have dropped the ball in much worse ways in the past as we’ve seen on this channel.
I was just thinking that too….the lunch w friends?
@@friendlykiwi384 Alcohol or prescription medication. Early onset dementia or Alzheimers. I'm the same age as the grandmother 67 years. There is definitely something very wrong with the grandmother.
Thank you! Who sleeps that hard while knowing they're watching a toddler? What's with the lunch with friends? Brunch with mimosas???
pills. 💊
I had a sister in law that due to negligence gave me a serious case of food poisoning. After that episode I looked for reasons to avoid all of her cooking and baking. No second chances.
I think this grandmother had some sort of underlying psychopathy. She subconsciously wanted the children dead somehow. How do we know the baby actually let himself out and crawled under the fence? Maybe there was a video? How come she didn’t call 911 right away? Also, how come it’s always a grandmother’s fault -where was the grandfather all this time? Grandpa left the baby with a napping grandma the first time. I’m so confused. I would say if you know that you already killed the baby you would be super super super extra careful with the second baby. I really think there’s something wrong with this woman. I think you’re being too generous.
I agree. This is just too weird. Not to mention that she was creepily smiling in her mugshot.
I have to agree. Its a case like none I have ever followed. It is so unusual, that it is almost preposterous this actually happened. I would love to know the relationships between this mother and daughter. My gut instinct tells me there was something far more deeper going on within the family. And I'll leave it at that. I am 62, a female and in all of my years never forgot ANYTHING in my car going in, if I did, maybe a shopping bag? but it was immediate I remembered. How this woman came from a luncheon and had a baby everyone oohed and ahhed over and to think she left the baby for as long as she did, again seems preposterous!
Are you a psychiatrist? I am. This is absolutely ludicrous and a poor show of your inductive reasoning ability. There's absolutely no evidence to suggest, as I'm sure a full psyche history was taken & collateral history, that she had an ASPD. I get sick of people throwing around terms like narcissism & psychopathy because they're in fashion when ironically they're relatively rare disorders. It's much more likely that she had an organic brain illness. Please spare a thought for those you're accusing (which is easy not to do as it doesn't affect you). This woman will already have to live with the guilt for the rest of her life.
@@AnyaAnnika67
Is there any evidence - i.e. you are aware of - she feels any guilt at all???
@ it’s just a feeling. I tend to be empathic. I guess I would have to see her in action. You’re absolutely right people do throw those terms around me included. It’s just a deep feeling I have. I guess we’d have to see if she forgot other important things like she leaves her keys at the store, forgets to eat. I knew I was going out on a limb, and no, I’m not a psychiatrist. It’s just a feeling. Going off the pictures of her in the courtroom. Could be I’m triggered by something in my childhood. And how do I know that she’s grief stricken I don’t know anything. You clearly know more about this case than I do.