Interestingly, I've actually found the exact opposite in my patient's blood work as far as ferritin and iron overload is concerned. Iron overload typically comes from an inability to properly process a metabolize iron, not from excessive amounts of iron in the diet. Unless you are over supplementing, you shouldn't be able to get a physiological overload just from eating unfortified food, even red meat. Especially because we are biologically adapted to eat raw meat. I actually have several patients who have struggled with high ferritin levels and would have to regularly have blood drawn to keep their levels down. Now they don't have to get any blood drawn and they have perfect ferritin levels. This may not apply to everyone, but it has at least in these patients. Also something to remember, ferritin is an acute phase reactant, meaning that if there's some sort of inflammation or other issue going on in the body, ferritin can go up even with a relative deficiency of iron in the body. Iron is a tricky one, it's possible to have high ferritin and be iron deficient at the same time.
I have hemochromatosis have been a carnivore for two years and have been thriving, but my ferritin levels unless I donate blood. Every three months are too high. They tell me I have a genetic form of hemochromatosis eating carnivore has not lowered my ferritin, but it will not make me stop being a carnivore. I just donate blood every three months. It stays normal and I help other people
I am carnivore. When I first started it went down. But it is still high at 400. I don't give blood. I've had a stroke not sure if it's safe for me. I also don't plan on giving up ateak.
@ I think you are confusing case studies with anecdotes. But I have watched many of these videos, most of the anecdotes (sorry “case studies”) are in the BS comments section.
Ketovore/carnivore for 3 years now. Dropped 115 lbs. Reversing my T2D. I have a list of my favorite keto/carnivore doctors. Dr. Westman is in the top 5. :)
There is a lady (she's a rancher) who has been carnivore for over 65 years. She's 82 and you'd never think she was even over 50. She looks great and still going strong. I watched an interview with her recently. It was on Dr Anthony Chaffee MD channel. If you search 82 year old carnivore you'd find her. There are a lot of carnivores that have been living this lifestyle for more than 30 years. You would find them if you are seriously looking.
@@claymor8241 really? if you're not sick how on earth can the medical industrial complex make any money off of you? Or did you not think and just react? Explain why you believe this to be "nonsense" troll.
Your videos are always EXCELLENT. I love Lillie, she's a sweetheart, but I had to unsubscribe from her channel when she started veering off track into carb land and the info was not making sense to me personally anymore. Love Dr. Westman and Dr. Berry for using just plain common sense, feedback on this was amazing. Lillie Kane is on a learning path, and she's so fortunate to learn from the best, eventually she'll get there, I am positive on that. She's very very smart and very open to all of their wisdom. Cheering her on too. God bless you all.
I would never tell my GP that I do carnivore. I tell him I’m high protein, low carb, no sugar or processed food. I have yet to find a doctor who is open minded. I’ve lost weight and my labs are good…my cholesterol is just a bit high.
"A bit high cholesterol" you and me and the lean mass hyper responders Luckily they released the first lean mass hyper responder study a year ago which showed no relationship between cholesterol and atherosclerosis in people who don't eat carbohydrates
As someone with hereditary hemochromatosis and eating ketovore, I find my ferritin levels are better regulated with exercises and monitoring. My last liver scan was textbook perfect. 😁
Next month will be 2 years carnivore for me and I love it. However the one thing I learned is some issues take time for your body to heal and to reverse. I’m glad you made this video because it seems to me Lillie comes to conclusions to quickly. I noticed this when she made a video about her rashes and other things that wouldn’t go away so she tried this and that in her diet. My experience has been it’s very hard to know “this change” is what I need to do. For example my toenail fungus that I’ve had for probably 40 years is clearing up and going away. I haven’t changed but stayed on coarse which seems best for me.
@@meihsieh4440me too. I am celebrating my two year carniversary in February. While I think my long time toenail fungus is looking better, my toenails are a long way from looking normal. But I feel so much better at 62, I am definitely staying the course.
Oxalate dumping can last for a very long time. Sally Norton is still dumping 11 years later. After an 8 month happy carnivore honeymoon I got the constant diarrhea, for 14 months. Resolved. I continued carnivore plus small otherwise healthy interventions like tiny amounts of oxalate foods (black, green tea), mineral baths, dry fasting. Cheers and good luck!
4 years of keto, 2 years carnivore. When started carnivore, never felt as best as now. On keto I did -20kg, but on carnivore I finaly saw my abdominal muscles. One of the best benefits that I found is that i started feel enjoyment and joy from life. I am 30 yeats old, and it turned out that I never felt happiness from life. A month after I started carnivore, I suddenly spontaneously felt good. I know it may sound stupid, but I was even scared. Therefore, before the carnivore, I did not experience positive emotions, just never...
I just didn’t suspect that this was not right and that there was something wrong with me. I have my own business, it’s interesting to do it. But the height of my emotions was simply “innerism”.
For future reference, you can add to your comment by clicking the vertical 3 dots, then "Edit". Reply to your comment: Wow. That's really amazing. Unrelated to carnivore maybe, I really gave up on my perpetual sadness until an md tested my vitamin D level -- it was 17 - and prescribed a mass dose. Overnight I went from that to waking up calmly thinking, "Gee, life is good."
You fixed your hormones. I increased my vit D by making sure to be outside in the UVB light when it is present in my northern latitude. Even viewing all the spectra of the sun without glasses, throughout the day, helps with mood by signaling hormones. My lifelong depression disappeared on carnivore. I was 54 when I started carnivore, almost 2 years ago. No menopause symptoms, too.
Many years ago I went to a nutritionist lecture at my church. It was actually very interesting but some was redundant. Like for example he went on about apples having more vitamin C than oranges. He was pointing out a fallacy. To this day I do not know if that is true, in my heart I doubt it. I do not need a coach, I prefer a nutritionist doctor. Which is why I am here.
yep, but that is really hard to get through to people/doctors/my doctor. It's all whole grains, carb veggies, low animal fat, low fat, tiny bit of non red meat to them. Like arguing about religion, god or scriptural meanings seems just to alienate people and they label me a crank. My undergraduate degree was in applied science - nutrition so I have a basic understanding . 22.8kg loss in 180 days, feel good, bloods good, medications halved, still no one seems to be convinced.
@@seamusobrien2675 Unfortunately many doctors don't want to admit that they got it wrong, or they were taught incorrectly. That's what's great about Dr. Westman, Dr. Berry, Dr. Berg and Dr. Brewer. They all realize that many things they were taught at medical school are actually incorrect. I believe with medicine, it is a constant learning curve. These doctors have proven how important diet is, and for most people it works.
I love Lillie's infectious personality, but she is no one that should be listened to as any kind of expert. I also stopped listening to her a long time ago as she guesses way too much.
I dropped her channel when she and her husband did a whole rant about the reasons why they are no longer carnivore but mostly “animal base” and her husband specifically said he “misses the variety.” I would have had more respect if they said that right off the bat instead of explaining their excuses why they incorporated fruits and veggies back into their diet.
Agree, not enough data to create a policy for carnivore. Agree, as does Dr. Baker, not everyone has to be extremely low carb or just red meat. For many people, fish, seafood, eggs, chicken, pork, lamb,....also great options.
Having read hundreds, if not thousands of comments of people who switched to carnivore diets, and some after years on carnivore, I have never seen one comment of someone who suffered from a ferritin "overload" in liver or pancreas. So it must be an extremely rare condition.
It’s amazing how little buzz there is around Health and Beauty Mastery by Julian Bannett. It’s made me so much more conscious of health and the industry.
Thanks for your sensible remarks. We get exposed to lots of extreme opinions that conflict, online and in our daily lives, and it is difficult to know what is true/proven and what is untrue, or not yet studied.
Ah there it is, she’s worried about her and her partner’s lab results. I can’t tell you how many patients I treat for low ferritin that are following a “healthy” diet, vegetarian, or vegan diet. Ferritin of 422 is just above normal (there are male and female values). We have to remember that hydration status also influences lab results, meaning dehydration would falsely inflate the ferritin level. Just showing an iron panel is inappropriate. A medical provider would need to look at LFTs, triglycerides, etc. also if you’re really concerned about the liver, you can order a liver ultrasound and/or fibroscan to look for liver fibrosis. My fatty liver corrected within 3 mos of keto in 2018. Sleep apnea elevates hemoglobin, hematocrit, and platelet levels. It’s not a good idea to interpret and treat labs on their own without examining the entire clinical picture.
I couldn't even make a dent in my iron panel and ferritin to treat my iron deficiency without going carnivore, I suspect gluten sensitivity (on top of long term PPIs - which I've been off of for awhile now - and antibiotics ruining my gut). I was never vegan or veg, just SAD. lol
I have hemochromatosis my ferritin was up to 8000. After two years of phlebotomies, my ferritin went down to 20.. I’ve been doing the carnivore diet for the last two years and donating blood every six weeks and I don’t have a problem with high ferritin
Very good content. As we eliminate these false foods, the light continues to come on, as we identify personally with these new understandings. Always keep learning and remind yourself often, that to understand good health, will likely turn out to be a life changing event, worth shouting from the rooftops.
All ur doing is proving the point that we have evolved heavily making us a lot more different than them. Also those tribes also ate vegetables, nuts, and fruits so idk what ur point is.
There are common plants viewed by most as weeds that can be eaten. Lamb’s Quarter, Purslane and Stinging Nettle come to mind, However, it is advisable that they be cooked in water to remove oxilates first (especially nettles). Some other plants need to be cooked and drained twice to avoid getting sick. None of this is necessary with red meat that can even be eaten raw if freshly killed!
Stinging nettles are not high in oxalates, lambs quarter and purslane probably are and cooking doesn’t get rid of the oxalates. Reduces them slightly. I got very sick from cooked spinach and swiss chard. My choice now is not to eat any plants! Though i do drink nettle tea here and there.
I am tired of the all or nothing attitude with food. If some oranges, berries, greens grow two months out of the year in my backyard then I will eat them only the two months out of the year. Overall nutrition is best served by carnivore because of how we poisoned grains, fruits, veg and processed diary. Follow nature and seasons.
I’ve come to the conclusion that my ideal diet is carnivore (meat, eggs, seafood, dairy) plus whatever I grow in my own garden - seasonal, local, unsprayed. Mind you, I don’t have any serious medical conditions.
I think Dr Chaffee means exactly what he says because he believes it. He’s just being truthful which is exactly what I want from my doctor. Unfortunately my doctor is 50 pounds overweight 😂
I would worry not enough ferritin than too much of it. Our body definitely can throw away the excess, but definitely can’t create anything from nothing. Unless way too much, or our body can just handle the excess of known substances familiar to the body, such as ferritin.
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Only Paul Saladino was ringing this bell. If the caveat is you also have high insulin, that should be front and center as well. She should also state her concern came following Paul Saladino.
Does anyone who does strict carnivore or strict keto who consumes near zero carbohydrates ever get an emotionally flat/apathetic feeling after a few weeks? I like carnivore better than any diet I've ever tried, but notice that when I do very strict almost zero carbs that I get this sort of flat feeling. When I then add some carbohydrates (less than 50 grams) usually something like blueberries or a starchy vegetable like a sweet potato, that the flat feeling goes away. It almost feels like a light has been turned off in my head when I go a couple weeks without carbohydrates, and then on the day that I add around 50 grams or less of carbohydrates, that the light gets turned back on. I tried to describe this feeling the best I could and wasn't sure if I'm the only one who had experienced this.
@teresamoore4126 I think that's another good way to describe the feeling. Maybe there is a subset of people like us who do need to really cycle keto/carnivore or at least really spike insulin once every week or two. I've noticed that I can go back to strict near zero carbohydrates after doing this and feel great for another week or two, and then get right back to that flat/anhedonic/apathetic/zombie-like feeling. Thank you for your input.
I’m on TRT and live on ground beef , eggs and butter so yes ferritin levels run higher so yes I donate blood every 4 months. I feel amazing and it’s all better than eating sugar and feeling suicidal with constant body pain.
Yes, I have hemachromatosis and used to donate blood regularly to reduce iron levels. I avoided red meat like the plague. However now I'm a two year carnivore I'm amazed that my Iron levels and Ferritin are fine. Plus Ferritin is essential for the myelin sheath that protects your nerves. I used to love Lily for her sense of humour but she became to clickbaity for me.
Ancestors? Which planet year are you referring to? Which part of the world? Just homo sapiens or are you going back to homo habilis or what time frame? We know from anthropologists and archaeologists that not all people and all time periods had access to red meat. Many talk about the Inuit tribe and Stefansson's work but their meat was fish, seals, whales, some roots with water from the sea. So it is important to identify what years you are referring to "ancestors".
@@DrAJ_LatinAmerica Pre-agricultural humans could eat from the following menu depending on time period, geographic location and climate, season, and foodstuff availability: Raw/fresh, dried, fermented, smoked, or cooked meat, fat, offal, blood, milk, and bone marrow from ruminants (cattle, buffalo, bison, oxen, antelopes, goats, deer, caribou, boks, moose, giraffes, hippopotami, camels and llamas), swine and peccaries, horses, donkeys and zebras, tapirs, rhinoceros, kangaroos, possums and opposums, cats, lions and tigers, some bats, dogs, wolves and foxes, bears, skunks, raccoons, badgers, otters, some primates (including other humans), elephants/mammoths, ground sloths and other megafauna, rodents, guinea pigs and other small mammals, and scavenged carcasses killed by other predators; birds and their eggs; some frogs, salamanders, lizards, crocodilians and their eggs, and snakes and their eggs; assorted bony and cartilaginous fish and their eggs/roe, snapping or soft shell or sea turtles and their eggs, mollusks, crustaceans, some echinoderms, cephalopods, some jellyfish, sea squirts, some whales and dolphins, seals and walruses, manatees and dugongs; some earthworms; grasshoppers and locusts, beetles, crickets, ants, some bees and wasps, termites, some arachnids, some caterpillars and other insect pupae, larvae and eggs; green shoots, young roots/tubers/bulbs, herbs, some leaves, flowers, tendrils, nuts, and seeds; seasonal berries and other small fruit; most mosses and some ferns; some aquatic plants and sea vegetables; some mushrooms and fungi; honey; maple, birch and other tree saps.
@@MrLove-666 our ancestors didn't die at 30 lol - what mainstream childrens books have you been reading....the country with the richest healthcare system in the world life expectancy is decreasing.....go figure.
Dr Westman, I would really appreciate if you would clarify this. If ferritin is one of the bodies storage systems for Iron and the readings are slightly above the "normal " range, but the Iron level is within normal ranges as per Lillie's results. Does this not mean the body has adequate stores of Iron in ferritin and is actually regulating the availability of Iron to the body correctly?
The actual serum iron level fluctuates all day based on what you eat so it can be very misleading, when looking at the panel you are better of reading the IBC and saturation numbers to indicate if your body is iron replete.
It's my understanding that in the UK each lab has It's own range depending on where you live. My wife had a thyroid problem and needed to have her thyroxine tested every 3 months, as I was in the military at the time and we moved around her levels remained the same but her doctors changed her thyroxine supplements up or down depending on the lab...
I'm sorry, but i don't agree with Lillie. She made a video a while ago, where ahe's crying because the carnivore diet failed her. She eating fruits, and high oxalate food, and hot sauce full of solanine and dairy and so on. She never did the carnivore diet strict, she always had skin issues because of the oxalate probably, and now she warns people about the carnivore diet so she can stay somewhat relevant...
The advice on the zerocarb subreddit, which helps a lot of people with medical complaints, is do the diet properly for at least six weeks; if you want to add stuff in, add one thing at a time and don't add it if it makes you feel worse
@@AdamMansbridge I always heard 90days. But yes sure. Start with a truely clean slate. You can ease into it, but you should be at least 6weeks strict before starting to move things around.
Years ago I researched the causes of joint inflammation. I found that grains and seed oils did the most damage to ME. I cut them completely and the joint pain lessened. At 60 i was told i had high cholesterol. I took statins for 2 years. My GP told me i wouldn't have another cholesterol blood test as the statins were working! I realised that my diet was ketogenic 7 years ago. 1 year ago i chose a Carnivore way of eating, (with the occasional serving of asparagus and previously cooked and frozen potato, gently reheated) . My health improved again. At Christmas my family made it clear they wouldn't enjoy their meal if i didn't join them in the cake/pudding . I did, from interest. For the rest of Christmas and New Year festivities i had small portions of traditional goodies. Im now 71, i visited a new GP practice last week, as my abdomen was showing worrying symptoms. The blood tests showed normal, with one exception. Inflammation is high. Also my lipids are normal and i don't have high cholesterol! Im having more blood tested at the end of January and fully expect the high inflammation to be gone, as I've had no more cake or carbs since.
@@christiroseify Why is that? I find her a bit too extreme. Also she obviously has money. To eat the way she does is expensive. I eat a lot of eggs, canned fish, chicken legs, canned corned beef / spam, hotdogs and burgers. I am ketovore on a budget. It is ok and I get results but I feel I should be eating thick steaks etc because of her videos. There is another guy I see a lot too who lost an enormous amount of weight and ate just big thick steaks on their own. I can't afford that.
@@izifaddag8221 Most of us can't afford steak at every meal. Look up Carnivore Couple. They are down to earth and buy local meats and have lots of different ideas. They aren't 'influencers.' I really like them and Laura Spath. Also a 'buy the meat you can afford' type.
I'm a t1 diabetic and was keto for 8 years and achieved a normal A1C. But, since I have gastric issues from both diabetes and the way I was created, I have such a hard time with slow or failed digestion. With carnivore, which has been 1 year for me now, I feel so much better and no longer constipated. I would love to eat plants again if only I could digest them. Great video and it explains a lot 💜
Thx Dr. Westman, for putting all this in perspective. An example why I don’t place too much concern on blood test results unless the phlebotomist has something to point out.
My farther inlaw had haematoma crosis he had to donate blood regularly then he became diabetic because of the high carbohydrate diet he ended up with cancer and sadly passed away RIP Jim
Iron and ferritin overload was one of my concerns starting ketovore about 5 months ago, in the past I think questions were raised in my blood tests about haemochromatosis so I am interested to see what my next blood test shows. Hoping my hepcidin is doing its job! Thanks Dr Westman you are a voice of reason.
I think Berry's comments re Chaffe are warranted and wise. But they shouldn't be considered an attack on him. Not everyone needs to eat some idealized or "extreme" version of a particular diet. And I don't think so-called purists or gatekeepers are doing the public any good by criticizing people who may only eat keto-ish or they are carnivore "most of the time." And this needs to be stressed - you can be successful doing these interventions only partly or some of the time. Someone coming from the standard American diet can make huge strides by simply trending in a dietary direction. And Berry is sometimes guilty of this. For example, he is very against dairy even though a non-trivial amount of people in the broad low carb space achieve body recomposition and thrive eating dairy.
Blaming red meat is too simplistic and reductionist. High ferriten can be caused by hidden infections. The underlying cause often needs to be addressed. Yeast, mold, viral infection like EBV, etc, LPS, leaky gut. Very high ferriten is usually a red flag for clinicians that there is an underlying pathology and immune activation. Elevated serum ferriten is an indication of macrophage activation and can lead to MAS. Macrophage activation syndrome. You see this on many imflammatory diseases like Rhumatoid arthritis or other autoimmune conditions. It also paradoxically activates antinflammatory processes and blunts the over reaction of the immune system but it should not be ignored. Very high ferriten can cause organ damge but its the immune system doing it not the ferriten per se. Getting a common flu bug can raise ferriten levels. A severe infection can cause ferritrn levels to skyrocket and certain people to actually become anemic. This is counterintuitive because why would your body make you anemic right? But the body will often sequester iron to keep it away from bacteria because its trying to save your life from a nasty pathogen. If your ferriten is too high you need to find out why and address it. Its not necessarily the meat. If your iron levels are just moderately high then just donate blood but consider your immune system might be involved somehow. Blaming red meat is convenient but not really informed by actual research.
Are there any efforts into measuring people who are in ketosis naturally, like eskimoes for instance, and creating a new reference bloodsample? Or just measuring alot of keto/carnivore people if they have managed to be on it for years at a time?
I decided I wanted to be healthier last year. I changed my ratio of protein to carbs. I now eat meat every day, lots of eggs and butter, and only a tiny bit of carbs. Pasta a few times a month instead of multiple times a week. Increased my vigorous exercise to multiple times per week. Result? None of pants fit me anymore, my appearance is at least ten years younger, and I feel great. The high protein-low carb thing works amazingly well. You get to amazing food and the weight almost falls off you.
My hemoglobin reaches 17 when I donate blood, so I'm able to keep both RBC and hemocrit/hemoglobin in a healthy range. Donating blood several times a year has the added benefit of monitoring A1C, as Stanford Blood Center regularly tests A1C and shares the data with me.
Could you mention the gut micro biome on the keto/carnivore diets? Is it as good as or better than eating 30 different fruits and vegetables as recommended by Professor Tim Spector?
2:43: Ferritin locks up (huge amounts of) Iron chemically into a crystal, and forms a shell encasing it. Whether or not the Iron is released depends on the body's systemic regulation, enzymes, etc..
There are a number of long term carnivores who's lab results could be used for comparisons. And by long term I mean 10 years plus. We could start there.
Similar to the vitamin c needs which vary greatly from a medium or high carb diet vs a very low to low carb diet. Surely ferritin levels are not the be all to end all. When I was fully plantbased for 10yrs I scored a 21 Ferritin which was very low. Haemoglobin was ok though at 152 or 15.2 so was oxygenating fine at the time.
Dr. Westman, could you do a video discussing the study by Mass General Brigham, Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard, published on 1/15/25 in Neurology,the medical journal of the American Academy of Neurology, stating (according to summaries; I've been unable to read the full study itself) that red meat, and especially processed red meat, increases the likelihood of dementia? A new study by investigators from Mass General Brigham, Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard found that eating greater quantities of red meat, especially in processed forms, increased risk for dementia, too. I suspect the entire diet was not considered (e.g., whether those in the study, not being on carnivore diets, who were eating more red meat also were eating more processed foods, carbs, etc.), and that it is only a finding of association, rather than causation. Thank you in advance for considering this request.
Lillie seems to be a little fearful and panics quickly. She has changed her approach to diet several times because of some or other concern. Whilst I believe it's a good idea to question everything and educate yourself, one must also have the perseverance to allow the body to adjust and heal, once you have chosen a certain path of lifestyle and diet before you go off onto another route again.
I feel better the more carnivor-y my diet is, but I stay flexible with occasional 'regular' meals. Still pretty low carb though, even when I eat other things.
I’d like to see more discussion on how vegetables affect our gut microbiome…good or bad. So many people have developed allergies to vegetables…why? Is it the neurotoxins or bad bacteria overgrowth causing this? If prebiotics and fiber help feed our “good” bacteria, what does the carnivores diet do for that? Do people end up feeling and doing amazing on carnivore do so because we’re not feeding the “bad” bacterial and our guts have a chance to heal?
I've been doint this for 9 months now and I've never felt better. In fact, the more I eat meat, the less desire I have for anything else! That should tell you something right there: if there was anything missing in my diet, I would certainly crave something else...
I am a T2D with no gallbladder, morbid obesity and NAFLD....and a whole host of other invasive illnesses. Last summer after dabbling with carnivore, my labs show high levels of iron in my blood. I am so frustrated. In 2018 I went on a Keto plan. I lost 80 lbs in 7 months. It was great, I reduced my A1C to 5.7. The neuropthy in my feet got worse though and it thoroughly discouraged me....that is until I discovered that the on again off again of Ciprofloxacine for frequent uti was the worse antibiotic for a diabetic because it has peripheral neuropathy as a side effect...that could become permanent. Pandemic concerns led me off keto. So for 3 years I have struggled to get into ketosis. I ventured into carnivore and now I have so many issues. High Iron is now an issue. I feel caught between a rock and a highplace. I need to lose weight to conquer illness, but the weight loss plans that work for me also contribute to other illness.
@@cassieopia532 one of her videos i watched..she was scolding her viewers for calling each other out in the comments of “what’s carnivore & what’s not” …something about the way she was doing it rubbed me wrong.
I unsubbed Lily Kane pretty early in my carnivore journey. She had little insight, she got pretty annoying, and seemed to be moving away from carni for very spurious reasons.
My personal draw card to animal sourced food, was the allergic reactions since early childhood. Turns out I react to oxylates in veg fruits nuts and seeds. I was in too much arthritis pain to bare. I was consuming olive oil, eggs, veg and fruit. Chocolate biscuits too. I still eat the choc bc but no fruit and veg anymore. Stopped almost all symptoms completely! Eczema, brain fog, skeletal pain, anxiety, and gut issues, gone! 7 months of enjoying NZ beef, farm eggs, sugar free bacon, sardines in water, (and choc biscuits the same as) . I'm a believer in that if there's frequent anxiety spikes, there's illness in immunity reduced. Saturated animal fat is the best normalising food in my opinion. Calms down the up and down sugars, calming the mind. Very interesting about feretin. I was jaundice at birth, my son was too. I was always anemic, so I really benefit from more iron absorption. Thanks for your report.
When I help people get on a carnivore diet that is strict their lab work improves 10 fold and very rarely does the ferritin get high or their iron. More often than not, their iron is usually too low and their ferritin is too low and that gets fixed with a strict well formulated carnivore diet.
I've heard Dr. Westman for a while now describe Carnivore as a type of Keto. However, that was not my experience without intentional change. To be specific, when I moved from his Prescription Strength Keto to Carnivore, my bg was consistently in the 90s and my ketones 0.3 prior to eating. I had to intentionally lower protein and raise fat to be in ketosis. So, how is he defining Keto? Does he believe that non-ketone producing Carnivore is the same as ketone producing Carnivore? Or, is he presuming that everyone is doing high fat Carnivore and therefore producing ketones? It would be great if he would clarify in a future video. Thanks!
I don't hear them complaining about Dr. Boz or Kelly Hogan regarding sardine fasts or Steak and butter gang regarding priming and fasting etc. etc. If you're going to call someone out, be fair and grab the whole jungle. Don't you just love when someone says they respect and love you then the BUT comes in. Passive agressive shenanigans don't look good on you Dr. Berry.
When you have high ferritin levels, it means you need more copper. The need for more copper goes up when you consume a lot of iron. I guess they are not eating any liver.
I didn’t think I heard anyone discuss hemochromatosis the genetic form which I have. I have been carnival for two years and I’m thriving but my ferritin goes up unless I donate blood now. I don’t know what people don’t understand about hemochromatosis but I lost a brother at 39 non-drinkerperfect weight of cirrhosis due to undiagnosed hemochromatosis so it is no joke and it has been proven to cause cirrhosis high ferritin levels
I really think the optimal diet depends on your genetics! I have all Northern European genetics and I know I do better on meat heavy. It helped my post partum depression and diagnosed thought disorder and also my stomach issues. So everyone is different but if you are feeling terribly, try keto or carnivore
Interestingly, i had sky high ferritin levels (over 600) before i switched to carnivore, while on a mostly vegetarian diet heavily vegan influenced. After switching to carnivore, they dropped a bit (240) while i had a GI bleed and are now back up in the 400 to 500 range. What has changed is i dont have migraines 5 days a week anymore, or joint pain or a myriad of other thgings wrong with me that were not particularly relevant to my dr but made my life hell.
Here is something that I am surprised that did not come up in this video. Glycation of the red blood cells. Glycation of the red blood cells happens because your red blood cells live longer when you don't consume carbohydrates. Is glycation of the red blood cells can make you test positive albeit a false positive for diabetes. I guess one could argue that donating blood every once in awhile would reduce the glycation and reducing your A1C or your glucose meter registration for glucose. But I have always wondered how the glycation affects ketosis. I have been carnivore for a long while. The problem that I am having is I no longer lose weight and I am not in ketosis. I have not been to the doctor if I have my blood checked. If I am honest, I could care less. Maybe Dr Eric Westen can talk about this more in-depth than I can. I am simply a high school dropout and I don't know anything. 20:59
One thing that really helps is not talking about these test ranges as "Normal range". They are typical range from the people evaluated. They are a reference range in a particular context. A good example is a fasted C-peptide test. I've seen doctors tell patient's theirs is normal when they had a fasting blood glucose over 140. You cannot pronounce a value "normal" in an abnormal context. This is a constant source of misdiagnosis of type 2 in type 1 who follow a very low carb diet where they say a "C-peptide is Normal". It's not "normal if blood glucose is abnormal.
No ... blood iron is nothing like rust. Iron carries O2. I have been off & on anemic for 45 yrs (since 1983) while being a healthy althletic male all my life. My Dr when I was 18 was super super concerned about this. Over 40+ yrs 1/3 of the time I that I gave blood I failed the Iron test so could not give. However, my last 2 blood test since being mainly Carnivore is finally normal with great numbers. Oddly a sign that my Iron was real low was that I got a buzz on my 2nd sip of light beer. So I wasn't much of a drinker because 2 beers was not good. Do low Iron means low blood O2 so a little alcohol means drunk time comes fast. At least in my case!
The 'normal' range for salt consumption is another one that's WAY off for carbers vs. fatters. Probably the most famous one, which you learn about when ppl explain the 'keto flu', as it's inaccurately called. EDIT: btw, ppl who lose lots of salt when their insulin dives on Keto, sometimes only need to raise their salt intake temporarily. Some carnivore dieters don't use salt at all, in addition to the salt in meat. So...
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Interestingly, I've actually found the exact opposite in my patient's blood work as far as ferritin and iron overload is concerned. Iron overload typically comes from an inability to properly process a metabolize iron, not from excessive amounts of iron in the diet. Unless you are over supplementing, you shouldn't be able to get a physiological overload just from eating unfortified food, even red meat. Especially because we are biologically adapted to eat raw meat. I actually have several patients who have struggled with high ferritin levels and would have to regularly have blood drawn to keep their levels down. Now they don't have to get any blood drawn and they have perfect ferritin levels. This may not apply to everyone, but it has at least in these patients. Also something to remember, ferritin is an acute phase reactant, meaning that if there's some sort of inflammation or other issue going on in the body, ferritin can go up even with a relative deficiency of iron in the body. Iron is a tricky one, it's possible to have high ferritin and be iron deficient at the same time.
Thanks for the clarification. It's important to take into consideration the inflammation association. That's why I believe mine was high.
You didn’t “create disordered eating” and you aren’t “dogmatic”
I have hemochromatosis have been a carnivore for two years and have been thriving, but my ferritin levels unless I donate blood. Every three months are too high. They tell me I have a genetic form of hemochromatosis eating carnivore has not lowered my ferritin, but it will not make me stop being a carnivore. I just donate blood every three months. It stays normal and I help other people
Love you Dr.Chaffee! I watch you all the time ! :)
I am carnivore. When I first started it went down. But it is still high at 400. I don't give blood. I've had a stroke not sure if it's safe for me. I also don't plan on giving up ateak.
Dr Westman is really one of my favorite docs on YT. He seems like he has the patience of a Saint 😇
For mee too.
He tells you what you want to Herat as well, it must be very comforting to have someone deny the science that you would like to ignore.
@ These doctors tell you the facts from case studies, not just what we want to hear.
@ I think you are confusing case studies with anecdotes. But I have watched many of these videos, most of the anecdotes (sorry “case studies”) are in the BS comments section.
@@jgreen9361 Give us some clue as to your reasoning for these comments please,
I ate 3 eggs and beef for breakfast, the same for lunch. I feel great! I can eat eggs and beef 24 - 7. Love it.
Me too! I do like bacon too!
beef is too expensive in the place where I live :(
Me too!!! Buy chuck roast and grind it. Cheaper option.
I ear gammon and soft poached eggs
do you do any seafood?
Thank you Doctor Westman!
I am sick of these Nutrition coaches acting like they are doctors and freaking out about everything!
She says at the outset she is not qualified
@@claymor8241 ...and it shows.
Ketovore/carnivore for 3 years now. Dropped 115 lbs. Reversing my T2D. I have a list of my favorite keto/carnivore doctors. Dr. Westman is in the top 5. :)
Much the same. Down by 230 pounds & A1c is 5.1 (non diabetic) now.
anyone for 30 years? No ..
@@Sp1n3cThere are people over 25 years so I’d say close enough to 30 considering this is a fairly new norm.
There is a lady (she's a rancher) who has been carnivore for over 65 years. She's 82 and you'd never think she was even over 50. She looks great and still going strong. I watched an interview with her recently. It was on Dr Anthony Chaffee MD channel. If you search 82 year old carnivore you'd find her.
There are a lot of carnivores that have been living this lifestyle for more than 30 years. You would find them if you are seriously looking.
@@Sp1n3cyou are wrong. See my other comment
*A patient cured is a customer lost*
Nonsense.
@@claymor8241 really? if you're not sick how on earth can the medical industrial complex make any money off of you? Or did you not think and just react? Explain why you believe this to be "nonsense" troll.
Your videos are always EXCELLENT. I love Lillie, she's a sweetheart, but I had to unsubscribe from her channel when she started veering off track into carb land and the info was not making sense to me personally anymore. Love Dr. Westman and Dr. Berry for using just plain common sense, feedback on this was amazing. Lillie Kane is on a learning path, and she's so fortunate to learn from the best, eventually she'll get there, I am positive on that. She's very very smart and very open to all of their wisdom. Cheering her on too. God bless you all.
I would never tell my GP that I do carnivore. I tell him I’m high protein, low carb, no sugar or processed food. I have yet to find a doctor who is open minded. I’ve lost weight and my labs are good…my cholesterol is just a bit high.
"A bit high cholesterol" you and me and the lean mass hyper responders
Luckily they released the first lean mass hyper responder study a year ago which showed no relationship between cholesterol and atherosclerosis in people who don't eat carbohydrates
As someone with hereditary hemochromatosis and eating ketovore, I find my ferritin levels are better regulated with exercises and monitoring. My last liver scan was textbook perfect. 😁
I find this absolutely amazing and interesting. I bet your bloodwork would make a wonderful piece of data for Dave Feldman!
@mikeadb i'll have to figure out how to get into his study.
Dr. Westman's balanced approach to these topics is highly refreshing
Next month will be 2 years carnivore for me and I love it. However the one thing I learned is some issues take time for your body to heal and to reverse. I’m glad you made this video because it seems to me Lillie comes to conclusions to quickly. I noticed this when she made a video about her rashes and other things that wouldn’t go away so she tried this and that in her diet. My experience has been it’s very hard to know “this change” is what I need to do. For example my toenail fungus that I’ve had for probably 40 years is clearing up and going away. I haven’t changed but stayed on coarse which seems best for me.
Been carnivore (6?) months, and, among other benefits, my 60 y.o. toenail fungus finally seems to be clearing up.
I am still waiting for my decades long toenail fungus to clear..😢 but I am staying with the carnivorous. It helped me in many ways, 🙏🏻
@@meihsieh4440me too. I am celebrating my two year carniversary in February. While I think my long time toenail fungus is looking better, my toenails are a long way from looking normal. But I feel so much better at 62, I am definitely staying the course.
Oxalate dumping can last for a very long time. Sally Norton is still dumping 11 years later. After an 8 month happy carnivore honeymoon I got the constant diarrhea, for 14 months. Resolved. I continued carnivore plus small otherwise healthy interventions like tiny amounts of oxalate foods (black, green tea), mineral baths, dry fasting. Cheers and good luck!
@@olgakuchukov6981 Similar for me too.
4 years of keto, 2 years carnivore. When started carnivore, never felt as best as now. On keto I did -20kg, but on carnivore I finaly saw my abdominal muscles. One of the best benefits that I found is that i started feel enjoyment and joy from life. I am 30 yeats old, and it turned out that I never felt happiness from life. A month after I started carnivore, I suddenly spontaneously felt good. I know it may sound stupid, but I was even scared. Therefore, before the carnivore, I did not experience positive emotions, just never...
I just didn’t suspect that this was not right and that there was something wrong with me. I have my own business, it’s interesting to do it. But the height of my emotions was simply “innerism”.
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Reply to your comment: Wow. That's really amazing. Unrelated to carnivore maybe, I really gave up on my perpetual sadness until an md tested my vitamin D level -- it was 17 - and prescribed a mass dose. Overnight I went from that to waking up calmly thinking, "Gee, life is good."
I know exactly what you mean.
Very similar experience myself...
You fixed your hormones. I increased my vit D by making sure to be outside in the UVB light when it is present in my northern latitude. Even viewing all the spectra of the sun without glasses, throughout the day, helps with mood by signaling hormones. My lifelong depression disappeared on carnivore. I was 54 when I started carnivore, almost 2 years ago. No menopause symptoms, too.
The is no essential carbohydrate.
I’m over her and her “certified nutrition coach” opinions
Me too
Many years ago I went to a nutritionist lecture at my church. It was actually very interesting but some was redundant. Like for example he went on about apples having more vitamin C than oranges. He was pointing out a fallacy. To this day I do not know if that is true, in my heart I doubt it. I do not need a coach, I prefer a nutritionist doctor. Which is why I am here.
yep, but that is really hard to get through to people/doctors/my doctor. It's all whole grains, carb veggies, low animal fat, low fat, tiny bit of non red meat to them. Like arguing about religion, god or scriptural meanings seems just to alienate people and they label me a crank. My undergraduate degree was in applied science - nutrition so I have a basic understanding . 22.8kg loss in 180 days, feel good, bloods good, medications halved, still no one seems to be convinced.
@@seamusobrien2675 Unfortunately many doctors don't want to admit that they got it wrong, or they were taught incorrectly. That's what's great about Dr. Westman, Dr. Berry, Dr. Berg and Dr. Brewer. They all realize that many things they were taught at medical school are actually incorrect. I believe with medicine, it is a constant learning curve. These doctors have proven how important diet is, and for most people it works.
Ya gotta wonder, certified by whom?
You have to question a persons motive, when they understand the something is good, and then seek to diminish it.
I love Lillie's infectious personality, but she is no one that should be listened to as any kind of expert. I also stopped listening to her a long time ago as she guesses way too much.
Lillie is annoying
Me too.
I'm not a fan of her infectious personality.
Propagandist. Not educated to present herself as any kind of expert. She’s here for the $$$$
I dropped her channel when she and her husband did a whole rant about the reasons why they are no longer carnivore but mostly “animal base” and her husband specifically said he “misses the variety.” I would have had more respect if they said that right off the bat instead of explaining their excuses why they incorporated fruits and veggies back into their diet.
Thanks!
A big difference between _normal_ and _optimal_ - Dr Berry is correct.
Agree, not enough data to create a policy for carnivore. Agree, as does Dr. Baker, not everyone has to be extremely low carb or just red meat. For many people, fish, seafood, eggs, chicken, pork, lamb,....also great options.
Having read hundreds, if not thousands of comments of people who switched to carnivore diets, and some after years on carnivore, I have never seen one comment of someone who suffered from a ferritin "overload" in liver or pancreas.
So it must be an extremely rare condition.
It’s amazing how little buzz there is around Health and Beauty Mastery by Julian Bannett. It’s made me so much more conscious of health and the industry.
i heard about it
This book is being promoted all over the place saying the same thing in comment sections. These are bots doing this.
Excellent Dr. Westman❤
Thanks for your sensible remarks. We get exposed to lots of extreme opinions that conflict, online and in our daily lives, and it is difficult to know what is true/proven and what is untrue, or not yet studied.
Ah there it is, she’s worried about her and her partner’s lab results.
I can’t tell you how many patients I treat for low ferritin that are following a “healthy” diet, vegetarian, or vegan diet. Ferritin of 422 is just above normal (there are male and female values). We have to remember that hydration status also influences lab results, meaning dehydration would falsely inflate the ferritin level. Just showing an iron panel is inappropriate. A medical provider would need to look at LFTs, triglycerides, etc. also if you’re really concerned about the liver, you can order a liver ultrasound and/or fibroscan to look for liver fibrosis. My fatty liver corrected within 3 mos of keto in 2018.
Sleep apnea elevates hemoglobin, hematocrit, and platelet levels.
It’s not a good idea to interpret and treat labs on their own without examining the entire clinical picture.
Agree with this last sentence completely. Not only the whole picture but longer term big picture not just a one time snap shot!
I couldn't even make a dent in my iron panel and ferritin to treat my iron deficiency without going carnivore, I suspect gluten sensitivity (on top of long term PPIs - which I've been off of for awhile now - and antibiotics ruining my gut). I was never vegan or veg, just SAD. lol
Great review Dr Westman
I have hemochromatosis my ferritin was up to 8000. After two years of phlebotomies, my ferritin went down to 20.. I’ve been doing the carnivore diet for the last two years and donating blood every six weeks and I don’t have a problem with high ferritin
Very good content. As we eliminate these false foods, the light continues to come on, as we identify personally with these new understandings. Always keep learning and remind yourself often, that to understand good health, will likely turn out to be a life changing event, worth shouting from the rooftops.
All the tribes that ate raw meat and organs were found to have perfect teeth with no cavities
so? whats your point?
@@thelastninja4825 are you dense?
@@thelastninja4825the point is its a healthy way to eat
Dr weston price
All ur doing is proving the point that we have evolved heavily making us a lot more different than them. Also those tribes also ate vegetables, nuts, and fruits so idk what ur point is.
@@cellular7881 I guess the OP thinks that its proof we only need meat?
Lillie is a RUclips influencer and therefore needs to come up with ideas for new videos that will get clicks. That’s it.
Thank you, Dr Westman.
There are common plants viewed by most as weeds that can be eaten. Lamb’s Quarter, Purslane and Stinging Nettle come to mind, However, it is advisable that they be cooked in water to remove oxilates first (especially nettles). Some other plants need to be cooked and drained twice to avoid getting sick. None of this is necessary with red meat that can even be eaten raw if freshly killed!
Watercress and sorrel too
Elderberries, too.
You can eat beef raw even if not freshly killed. Steak tartare
Yes I even eat raw thinly sliced beef from the supermarket! I'm confident my guts is handling any germs via acid in my stomach.
Stinging nettles are not high in oxalates, lambs quarter and purslane probably are and cooking doesn’t get rid of the oxalates. Reduces them slightly. I got very sick from cooked spinach and swiss chard. My choice now is not to eat any plants! Though i do drink nettle tea here and there.
Thank you Dr. W
I am tired of the all or nothing attitude with food. If some oranges, berries, greens grow two months out of the year in my backyard then I will eat them only the two months out of the year. Overall nutrition is best served by carnivore because of how we poisoned grains, fruits, veg and processed diary. Follow nature and seasons.
I’ve come to the conclusion that my ideal diet is carnivore (meat, eggs, seafood, dairy) plus whatever I grow in my own garden - seasonal, local, unsprayed. Mind you, I don’t have any serious medical conditions.
I literally can’t because my gut issues. I have eat only meat ;(
I think Dr Chaffee means exactly what he says because he believes it. He’s just being truthful which is exactly what I want from my doctor. Unfortunately my doctor is 50 pounds overweight 😂
I got my bloodwork back and the Doc said my Bobby McFerritin levels were a little high, which got me worried. He said, "Don't worry. Be happy."
I would worry not enough ferritin than too much of it. Our body definitely can throw away the excess, but definitely can’t create anything from nothing. Unless way too much, or our body can just handle the excess of known substances familiar to the body, such as ferritin.
@@LittleRadicalThinker I have no idea what ferritin is.
@@darkpatches storage form of iron
@ Oh, I see. I just don't know what that has to do with my Bobby McFerritin levels. Thanks.
I approve this humor. 😂
Thank you!❤
I have read many books, I listened to many RUclips videos by many of the world's leading gurus and health experts but nothing came close to the 23 former doctor truths by lauren clark. I recommend everyone giving it a read.
I heard already few good things about that book
so i will def give it a read
thanks
thank you!
@@JohnnStr1It’s a e-book. 🙄
Thx for your level headed approach!🎉
Her YT shorts are pure cringe 💀
Can't take anything she says seriously.
Seems overly concerned with how she comes off.
Dr Westman Dr Berry and the late Dr Atkins are three Titans in the Low Carb Keto and Carnivore World
Only Paul Saladino was ringing this bell. If the caveat is you also have high insulin, that should be front and center as well. She should also state her concern came following Paul Saladino.
She's correct, the iron overload is not good which leads to the clogging and colon canc.
Does anyone who does strict carnivore or strict keto who consumes near zero carbohydrates ever get an emotionally flat/apathetic feeling after a few weeks? I like carnivore better than any diet I've ever tried, but notice that when I do very strict almost zero carbs that I get this sort of flat feeling. When I then add some carbohydrates (less than 50 grams) usually something like blueberries or a starchy vegetable like a sweet potato, that the flat feeling goes away. It almost feels like a light has been turned off in my head when I go a couple weeks without carbohydrates, and then on the day that I add around 50 grams or less of carbohydrates, that the light gets turned back on. I tried to describe this feeling the best I could and wasn't sure if I'm the only one who had experienced this.
Yes, i feel like a zombie.
@teresamoore4126 I think that's another good way to describe the feeling. Maybe there is a subset of people like us who do need to really cycle keto/carnivore or at least really spike insulin once every week or two. I've noticed that I can go back to strict near zero carbohydrates after doing this and feel great for another week or two, and then get right back to that flat/anhedonic/apathetic/zombie-like feeling. Thank you for your input.
maybe that's symptoms if withdrawal.
I agree too! You described it exactly!
Sounds like withdraw from carb addiction.
I stopped watching her channel
I stopped listening to Lillie Kringe for a long time. She has the same mindset as Saladino.
Yes, especially when she started saying having olive oil is healthy.
@Zenivore even dr berry says olive oil is ok as is coconut oil. Many carnivores eat it
Let's not be dogmatic
@@amyfarrell8799Sure but it shouldn't be heated 😅
@@amyfarrell8799 Uh oh. You're about to be pulled over and given a citation by the carnivore police.
@@amyfarrell8799some carnivores are as bad as the vegans.
I’m on TRT and live on ground beef , eggs and butter so yes ferritin levels run higher so yes I donate blood every 4 months. I feel amazing and it’s all better than eating sugar and feeling suicidal with constant body pain.
Great video!
I agree that she’s not a physician!
She gives some good insight!
Thanks Dr Wsetman!
Yes, I have hemachromatosis and used to donate blood regularly to reduce iron levels. I avoided red meat like the plague. However now I'm a two year carnivore I'm amazed that my Iron levels and Ferritin are fine. Plus Ferritin is essential for the myelin sheath that protects your nerves. I used to love Lily for her sense of humour but she became to clickbaity for me.
This woman is a load of rubbish!! Our ancestors ate red meat there were no blood tests in those days! That's why i don't have blood tests. I'm fine.
Ancestors? Which planet year are you referring to? Which part of the world? Just homo sapiens or are you going back to homo habilis or what time frame? We know from anthropologists and archaeologists that not all people and all time periods had access to red meat. Many talk about the Inuit tribe and Stefansson's work but their meat was fish, seals, whales, some roots with water from the sea. So it is important to identify what years you are referring to "ancestors".
@@DrAJ_LatinAmerica Pre-agricultural humans could eat from the following menu depending on time period, geographic location and climate, season, and foodstuff availability: Raw/fresh, dried, fermented, smoked, or cooked meat, fat, offal, blood, milk, and bone marrow from ruminants (cattle, buffalo, bison, oxen, antelopes, goats, deer, caribou, boks, moose, giraffes, hippopotami, camels and llamas), swine and peccaries, horses, donkeys and zebras, tapirs, rhinoceros, kangaroos, possums and opposums, cats, lions and tigers, some bats, dogs, wolves and foxes, bears, skunks, raccoons, badgers, otters, some primates (including other humans), elephants/mammoths, ground sloths and other megafauna, rodents, guinea pigs and other small mammals, and scavenged carcasses killed by other predators; birds and their eggs; some frogs, salamanders, lizards, crocodilians and their eggs, and snakes and their eggs; assorted bony and cartilaginous fish and their eggs/roe, snapping or soft shell or sea turtles and their eggs, mollusks, crustaceans, some echinoderms, cephalopods, some jellyfish, sea squirts, some whales and dolphins, seals and walruses, manatees and dugongs; some earthworms; grasshoppers and locusts, beetles, crickets, ants, some bees and wasps, termites, some arachnids, some caterpillars and other insect pupae, larvae and eggs; green shoots, young roots/tubers/bulbs, herbs, some leaves, flowers, tendrils, nuts, and seeds; seasonal berries and other small fruit; most mosses and some ferns; some aquatic plants and sea vegetables; some mushrooms and fungi; honey; maple, birch and other tree saps.
I'm from across the pond, it seems the Americans are obsessed with blood tests!
Ancestors died at 30 years old. We now live 3 times longer, and we are on our way to live 4 times that.
@@MrLove-666 our ancestors didn't die at 30 lol - what mainstream childrens books have you been reading....the country with the richest healthcare system in the world life expectancy is decreasing.....go figure.
Dr Westman, I would really appreciate if you would clarify this. If ferritin is one of the bodies storage systems for Iron and the readings are slightly above the "normal " range, but the Iron level is within normal ranges as per Lillie's results. Does this not mean the body has adequate stores of Iron in ferritin and is actually regulating the availability of Iron to the body correctly?
The actual serum iron level fluctuates all day based on what you eat so it can be very misleading, when looking at the panel you are better of reading the IBC and saturation numbers to indicate if your body is iron replete.
It's my understanding that in the UK each lab has It's own range depending on where you live. My wife had a thyroid problem and needed to have her thyroxine tested every 3 months, as I was in the military at the time and we moved around her levels remained the same but her doctors changed her thyroxine supplements up or down depending on the lab...
I'm sorry, but i don't agree with Lillie.
She made a video a while ago, where ahe's crying because the carnivore diet failed her.
She eating fruits, and high oxalate food, and hot sauce full of solanine and dairy and so on.
She never did the carnivore diet strict, she always had skin issues because of the oxalate probably, and now she warns people about the carnivore diet so she can stay somewhat relevant...
The advice on the zerocarb subreddit, which helps a lot of people with medical complaints, is do the diet properly for at least six weeks; if you want to add stuff in, add one thing at a time and don't add it if it makes you feel worse
@@AdamMansbridge I always heard 90days. But yes sure. Start with a truely clean slate. You can ease into it, but you should be at least 6weeks strict before starting to move things around.
@@kevintappminville195 I believe you're correct
Years ago I researched the causes of joint inflammation. I found that grains and seed oils did the most damage to ME. I cut them completely and the joint pain lessened. At 60 i was told i had high cholesterol. I took statins for 2 years. My GP told me i wouldn't have another cholesterol blood test as the statins were working!
I realised that my diet was ketogenic 7 years ago. 1 year ago i chose a Carnivore way of eating, (with the occasional serving of asparagus and previously cooked and frozen potato, gently reheated) .
My health improved again. At Christmas my family made it clear they wouldn't enjoy their meal if i didn't join them in the cake/pudding . I did, from interest. For the rest of Christmas and New Year festivities i had small portions of traditional goodies.
Im now 71, i visited a new GP practice last week, as my abdomen was showing worrying symptoms. The blood tests showed normal, with one exception. Inflammation is high. Also my lipids are normal and i don't have high cholesterol!
Im having more blood tested at the end of January and fully expect the high inflammation to be gone, as I've had no more cake or carbs since.
Three minutes in, I backed out of this video. I am not a fan of Lillie.
Steak & butter gal is another channel I don't care for.
Quit at around 1:35. :-)
I’d never heard of her till last week. What turns you off about her?
@@christiroseify Why is that? I find her a bit too extreme. Also she obviously has money. To eat the way she does is expensive. I eat a lot of eggs, canned fish, chicken legs, canned corned beef / spam, hotdogs and burgers. I am ketovore on a budget. It is ok and I get results but I feel I should be eating thick steaks etc because of her videos. There is another guy I see a lot too who lost an enormous amount of weight and ate just big thick steaks on their own. I can't afford that.
@@izifaddag8221 Most of us can't afford steak at every meal. Look up Carnivore Couple. They are down to earth and buy local meats and have lots of different ideas. They aren't 'influencers.' I really like them and Laura Spath. Also a 'buy the meat you can afford' type.
I'm a t1 diabetic and was keto for 8 years and achieved a normal A1C. But, since I have gastric issues from both diabetes and the way I was created, I have such a hard time with slow or failed digestion. With carnivore, which has been 1 year for me now, I feel so much better and no longer constipated. I would love to eat plants again if only I could digest them. Great video and it explains a lot 💜
Great video!
Thx Dr. Westman, for putting all this in perspective. An example why I don’t place too much concern on blood test results unless the phlebotomist has something to point out.
My farther inlaw had haematoma crosis he had to donate blood regularly then he became diabetic because of the high carbohydrate diet he ended up with cancer and sadly passed away RIP Jim
Iron and ferritin overload was one of my concerns starting ketovore about 5 months ago, in the past I think questions were raised in my blood tests about haemochromatosis so I am interested to see what my next blood test shows. Hoping my hepcidin is doing its job! Thanks Dr Westman you are a voice of reason.
Why the fixation on getting blood tests? Do you really think you can get any significant information from a blood test?
I think Berry's comments re Chaffe are warranted and wise. But they shouldn't be considered an attack on him. Not everyone needs to eat some idealized or "extreme" version of a particular diet. And I don't think so-called purists or gatekeepers are doing the public any good by criticizing people who may only eat keto-ish or they are carnivore "most of the time." And this needs to be stressed - you can be successful doing these interventions only partly or some of the time. Someone coming from the standard American diet can make huge strides by simply trending in a dietary direction. And Berry is sometimes guilty of this. For example, he is very against dairy even though a non-trivial amount of people in the broad low carb space achieve body recomposition and thrive eating dairy.
Blaming red meat is too simplistic and reductionist. High ferriten can be caused by hidden infections. The underlying cause often needs to be addressed. Yeast, mold, viral infection like EBV, etc, LPS, leaky gut. Very high ferriten is usually a red flag for clinicians that there is an underlying pathology and immune activation. Elevated serum ferriten is an indication of macrophage activation and can lead to MAS. Macrophage activation syndrome. You see this on many imflammatory diseases like Rhumatoid arthritis or other autoimmune conditions. It also paradoxically activates antinflammatory processes and blunts the over reaction of the immune system but it should not be ignored. Very high ferriten can cause organ damge but its the immune system doing it not the ferriten per se. Getting a common flu bug can raise ferriten levels. A severe infection can cause ferritrn levels to skyrocket and certain people to actually become anemic. This is counterintuitive because why would your body make you anemic right? But the body will often sequester iron to keep it away from bacteria because its trying to save your life from a nasty pathogen. If your ferriten is too high you need to find out why and address it. Its not necessarily the meat. If your iron levels are just moderately high then just donate blood but consider your immune system might be involved somehow. Blaming red meat is convenient but not really informed by actual research.
Are there any efforts into measuring people who are in ketosis naturally, like eskimoes for instance, and creating a new reference bloodsample? Or just measuring alot of keto/carnivore people if they have managed to be on it for years at a time?
I decided I wanted to be healthier last year. I changed my ratio of protein to carbs. I now eat meat every day, lots of eggs and butter, and only a tiny bit of carbs. Pasta a few times a month instead of multiple times a week. Increased my vigorous exercise to multiple times per week. Result? None of pants fit me anymore, my appearance is at least ten years younger, and I feel great. The high protein-low carb thing works amazingly well. You get to amazing food and the weight almost falls off you.
Women bleed every month for many years.
I see no issue of too much "rust" in my body 😂😂😂😂
I get slow increase in hemoglobin, exceeded 18 due to weekly testosterone injections. I donate blood every few months to reduce back to the 16s.
My hemoglobin reaches 17 when I donate blood, so I'm able to keep both RBC and hemocrit/hemoglobin in a healthy range. Donating blood several times a year has the added benefit of monitoring A1C, as Stanford Blood Center regularly tests A1C and shares the data with me.
Could you mention the gut micro biome on the keto/carnivore diets? Is it as good as or better than eating 30 different fruits and vegetables as recommended by Professor Tim Spector?
@@andyc7747Yes, but if everyone's gut microbiome would be just fine no matter what we eat, then fecal transplants wouldn't be a thing, lol.
2:43: Ferritin locks up (huge amounts of) Iron chemically into a crystal, and forms a shell encasing it. Whether or not the Iron is released depends on the body's systemic regulation, enzymes, etc..
There are a number of long term carnivores who's lab results could be used for comparisons. And by long term I mean 10 years plus. We could start there.
Similar to the vitamin c needs which vary greatly from a medium or high carb diet vs a very low to low carb diet. Surely ferritin levels are not the be all to end all. When I was fully plantbased for 10yrs I scored a 21 Ferritin which was very low. Haemoglobin was ok though at 152 or 15.2 so was oxygenating fine at the time.
Dr. Westman, could you do a video discussing the study by Mass General Brigham, Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard, published on 1/15/25 in Neurology,the medical journal of the American Academy of Neurology, stating (according to summaries; I've been unable to read the full study itself) that red meat, and especially processed red meat, increases the likelihood of dementia?
A new study by investigators from Mass General Brigham, Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard found that eating greater quantities of red meat, especially in processed forms, increased risk for dementia, too.
I suspect the entire diet was not considered (e.g., whether those in the study, not being on carnivore diets, who were eating more red meat also were eating more processed foods, carbs, etc.), and that it is only a finding of association, rather than causation.
Thank you in advance for considering this request.
Lillie seems to be a little fearful and panics quickly. She has changed her approach to diet several times because of some or other concern. Whilst I believe it's a good idea to question everything and educate yourself, one must also have the perseverance to allow the body to adjust and heal, once you have chosen a certain path of lifestyle and diet before you go off onto another route again.
I'd love to see more than just response videos on this channel.
High Ferritin levels can be a marker for Chronic Myeloid Leukemia.
I feel better the more carnivor-y my diet is, but I stay flexible with occasional 'regular' meals. Still pretty low carb though, even when I eat other things.
I’d like to see more discussion on how vegetables affect our gut microbiome…good or bad. So many people have developed allergies to vegetables…why? Is it the neurotoxins or bad bacteria overgrowth causing this? If prebiotics and fiber help feed our “good” bacteria, what does the carnivores diet do for that? Do people end up feeling and doing amazing on carnivore do so because we’re not feeding the “bad” bacterial and our guts have a chance to heal?
I've been doint this for 9 months now and I've never felt better.
In fact, the more I eat meat, the less desire I have for anything else!
That should tell you something right there: if there was anything missing in my diet, I would certainly crave something else...
Why does everyone go straight to red meat. I eat very low carb diet but the meat is 80% oily fish.
Too much iron also damages the liver.
I am a T2D with no gallbladder, morbid obesity and NAFLD....and a whole host of other invasive illnesses.
Last summer after dabbling with carnivore, my labs show high levels of iron in my blood. I am so frustrated. In 2018 I went on a Keto plan. I lost 80 lbs in 7 months. It was great, I reduced my A1C to 5.7. The neuropthy in my feet got worse though and it thoroughly discouraged me....that is until I discovered that the on again off again of Ciprofloxacine for frequent uti was the worse antibiotic for a diabetic because it has peripheral neuropathy as a side effect...that could become permanent.
Pandemic concerns led me off keto. So for 3 years I have struggled to get into ketosis. I ventured into carnivore and now I have so many issues.
High Iron is now an issue.
I feel caught between a rock and a highplace. I need to lose weight to conquer illness, but the weight loss plans that work for me also contribute to other illness.
Her & “the butter girl” get on my nerves
Oh i like butter girl for recipes that are easy to make ahead, to put in fridge when nibbles strike.
IDKW, but butter girl irritates me too.
@@cassieopia532 one of her videos i watched..she was scolding her viewers for calling each other out in the comments of “what’s carnivore & what’s not” …something about the way she was doing it rubbed me wrong.
I unsubbed Lily Kane pretty early in my carnivore journey. She had little insight, she got pretty annoying, and seemed to be moving away from carni for very spurious reasons.
My personal draw card to animal sourced food, was the allergic reactions since early childhood. Turns out I react to oxylates in veg fruits nuts and seeds. I was in too much arthritis pain to bare. I was consuming olive oil, eggs, veg and fruit. Chocolate biscuits too.
I still eat the choc bc but no fruit and veg anymore.
Stopped almost all symptoms completely! Eczema, brain fog, skeletal pain, anxiety, and gut issues, gone!
7 months of enjoying NZ beef, farm eggs, sugar free bacon, sardines in water, (and choc biscuits the same as) .
I'm a believer in that if there's frequent anxiety spikes, there's illness in immunity reduced.
Saturated animal fat is the best normalising food in my opinion. Calms down the up and down sugars, calming the mind. Very interesting about feretin. I was jaundice at birth, my son was too. I was always anemic, so I really benefit from more iron absorption.
Thanks for your report.
When I help people get on a carnivore diet that is strict their lab work improves 10 fold and very rarely does the ferritin get high or their iron. More often than not, their iron is usually too low and their ferritin is too low and that gets fixed with a strict well formulated carnivore diet.
I've heard Dr. Westman for a while now describe Carnivore as a type of Keto. However, that was not my experience without intentional change. To be specific, when I moved from his Prescription Strength Keto to Carnivore, my bg was consistently in the 90s and my ketones 0.3 prior to eating. I had to intentionally lower protein and raise fat to be in ketosis.
So, how is he defining Keto? Does he believe that non-ketone producing Carnivore is the same as ketone producing Carnivore? Or, is he presuming that everyone is doing high fat Carnivore and therefore producing ketones?
It would be great if he would clarify in a future video. Thanks!
I don't hear them complaining about Dr. Boz or Kelly Hogan regarding sardine fasts or Steak and butter gang regarding priming and fasting etc. etc. If you're going to call someone out, be fair and grab the whole jungle. Don't you just love when someone says they respect and love you then the BUT comes in. Passive agressive shenanigans don't look good on you Dr. Berry.
That’s what these cultists do. They nitpick who to criticize 👎
When you have high ferritin levels, it means you need more copper. The need for more copper goes up when you consume a lot of iron. I guess they are not eating any liver.
I do agree she’s not a doctor!
She gives some good insight!
Will coffee help for iron overload?
I didn’t think I heard anyone discuss hemochromatosis the genetic form which I have. I have been carnival for two years and I’m thriving but my ferritin goes up unless I donate blood now. I don’t know what people don’t understand about hemochromatosis but I lost a brother at 39 non-drinkerperfect weight of cirrhosis due to undiagnosed hemochromatosis so it is no joke and it has been proven to cause cirrhosis high ferritin levels
I really think the optimal diet depends on your genetics! I have all Northern European genetics and I know I do better on meat heavy. It helped my post partum depression and diagnosed thought disorder and also my stomach issues. So everyone is different but if you are feeling terribly, try keto or carnivore
I suspect the problem generally is that people don't get enough iron in their standard modern diet .
Interestingly, i had sky high ferritin levels (over 600) before i switched to carnivore, while on a mostly vegetarian diet heavily vegan influenced.
After switching to carnivore, they dropped a bit (240) while i had a GI bleed and are now back up in the 400 to 500 range.
What has changed is i dont have migraines 5 days a week anymore, or joint pain or a myriad of other thgings wrong with me that were not particularly relevant to my dr but made my life hell.
Could we have a listing of keto-friendly doctors PLEASE?
What i'm concerned about is not the iron but the lack of fibers.
fiber isn't necessary
Here is something that I am surprised that did not come up in this video. Glycation of the red blood cells. Glycation of the red blood cells happens because your red blood cells live longer when you don't consume carbohydrates. Is glycation of the red blood cells can make you test positive albeit a false positive for diabetes. I guess one could argue that donating blood every once in awhile would reduce the glycation and reducing your A1C or your glucose meter registration for glucose. But I have always wondered how the glycation affects ketosis. I have been carnivore for a long while. The problem that I am having is I no longer lose weight and I am not in ketosis. I have not been to the doctor if I have my blood checked. If I am honest, I could care less. Maybe Dr Eric Westen can talk about this more in-depth than I can. I am simply a high school dropout and I don't know anything. 20:59
That's very interesting. Our GP sets more store in A1C than a blood glucose test.
Fasting insulin is even more important
@@wayland7150That's because your insulin
evels can be high for years before you see it in the blood glucose levels. And high insulin damages the body
How do you know you're not in ketosis ? It's normal to go in and out. Do you check with a ketone monitor?pee is not accurate.
You tube is a great education. Better than many college educated doctors
“I like to think of iron as rust.” 🤦♀️
Luckily we have Dr Westman or we all will be in limbo of confusion.
One thing that really helps is not talking about these test ranges as "Normal range". They are typical range from the people evaluated. They are a reference range in a particular context. A good example is a fasted C-peptide test. I've seen doctors tell patient's theirs is normal when they had a fasting blood glucose over 140. You cannot pronounce a value "normal" in an abnormal context.
This is a constant source of misdiagnosis of type 2 in type 1 who follow a very low carb diet where they say a "C-peptide is Normal". It's not "normal if blood glucose is abnormal.
No ... blood iron is nothing like rust. Iron carries O2. I have been off & on anemic for 45 yrs (since 1983) while being a healthy althletic male all my life. My Dr when I was 18 was super super concerned about this. Over 40+ yrs 1/3 of the time I that I gave blood I failed the Iron test so could not give. However, my last 2 blood test since being mainly Carnivore is finally normal with great numbers. Oddly a sign that my Iron was real low was that I got a buzz on my 2nd sip of light beer. So I wasn't much of a drinker because 2 beers was not good. Do low Iron means low blood O2 so a little alcohol means drunk time comes fast. At least in my case!
The 'normal' range for salt consumption is another one that's WAY off for carbers vs. fatters. Probably the most famous one, which you learn about when ppl explain the 'keto flu', as it's inaccurately called. EDIT: btw, ppl who lose lots of salt when their insulin dives on Keto, sometimes only need to raise their salt intake temporarily. Some carnivore dieters don't use salt at all, in addition to the salt in meat. So...