Imma be real, I am very happy about at least a few of these BR changes. Like, the A-4Es needed to go up in ground, absolutely tired of those things safely dropping GBUs and Maveriks from orbit while the AAs can't do jack about them. They get clowned on in Air RB, so this was definitely the best option for them. Also happy about the F-4F and F-104G going down in ground as it means they both now have a lineup around them where they can be used with ground vehicles instead of being out on their own. Not to say some of these make zero damn sense. Like, look at their reasoning for moving the AMX, and then for the Super Etendard. They have the exact same reason for being moved, its just Gaijin hates France more so the Etendard stays with moving up by 2 brackets while the AMX only goes up by 1. Overall, I do see this as a step in the right direction, at least. While I think there is certainly a lot wrong with it, and there were definitely some things missing, like moving up the A10, Su25, and A6E in Air along with Ground, I think its a positive.
I'm just so tired of not being able to choose the game mode. I'll bring in 3 or 4 bombers, and still get domination, where I just get 57 pts for each bomber after i get shot down by people in jets, and especially if I use a 300% booster...
I know this is relatively unrelated, but you reminded me of the fact its been over half a year since M735 was nerfed off false information. At this rate I would speculate on top of cost-cutting (as @mightywolf4047 said), they probably are making these changes to keep the community separated (primarily referring to keeping the A-10/Su-25's at 10.0). It's too baffling to see their changes and believe there isn't an extreme bias mindset(s) coming from somewhere (and I don't mean bias towards a nation or TT).
Wasn't that how it used to be back then when War Thunder first came out? You could fly something like a P-40 and be able to encounter stuff like Me-262s in a match?
@@Mohammed-s9g1f idk if its just me but the f2p grind is very easy these days I play since 2019 and in these whole years i only payed 25 dollar on premium time And i have rank 5-8 in all nations
@@Bobspineable yeah but you seed market share to WOT by doing this, it also makes it incredibly difficult to get into new markets (for example ships, or FPS) because WTs business model only works in ideal perfectly conditions of low competition, midsized market, with high moneitization tolerance
@@nick4754 Exactly, as soon as a more competent company produces something like War Thunder that caters towards the player first instead of the dollar, will be the day this satanic snail worshiping corporation will see the truth discontent of the player base. They think its fun and games now but sooner than later, they'll be crying for their 250k+ daily logins as they dwindle to the sub 1,000's. By that point, well I hope Anton and his cronies are well versed in saving and stocks otherwise another fraud scheme will have to be cooked into the books.
F5-E was already at 11.0 and got shafted, now with reduction in BR to F16A variants... I honestly not gonna play it, its gonna face 30G missiles with 25 ish flares (if ur also carrying chaff, which would now be a given)
If you're unable to make the F5E work you shouldn't be allowed to play the game I'm nearing a 3 k/d in the Thai one that's a higher br with no issue fighting F-16 Also why would you ever carry chaff lol its functionally useless against sparrows because they have chaff filtering built into their seeker
@@duceposting1831I can play it now but I just don’t see it being fun and competitive against f16s and other things , especially with only 20G rear-aspect missiles, and only those of them
@ThatChinaMainElmo you get EEGS stop relying on missiles and pretending like F-16s don't have easily flarable 9Ls I barely ever use the python 3 or 9P4 on the Thai F5E because you don't need them all you need is EEGS and and 23m of fuel
im a 10 year veteran of the game still don't have every vehicle as I have been mostly free to play for the majority of the time. I can happily say I am a month sober from this game and I am so much happier discovering new games has been great, its also given me time to work on my mental health aswel as warthunder felt like a full time job ontop of a fulltime job, games are meant to be fun.
I might be overly optimistic but I'll wait for the matchmaking changes to be actually implemented before drawing any conclusions. What I'm also worried about is whether they'll even add a 13.0 or even 13.3 BR with the new Fox-3s. My (foolish) hope is that the ground/air separation will allow them to be more agressive with the decompression in air.
Their comment about not raising the Air RB br's of attackers with all aspect missiles is actually insane. "After expending their missiles, these jets can't compete with higher performance aircraft". Yeah, that's the point??? These are strike aircraft, they should get their shit absolutely rocked by contemporary air to air fighters. The missiles they carry are for self defense. It's also hilarious that they use this as their argument, as the weaponry is a major factor in deciding br for *every* other aircraft in the game. These types of jets have single handedly ruined a huge swath of the jet br's. Jets like the F104, MiG 19, etc.. are all pushed down in br, because they are being bullied by jet attackers with all aspect missiles. I want you all to take a moment to think about that. Air to air fighters are being bullied by strike aircraft. These undertiered supersonics in turn oppress brs below them, and the problem ripples downwards, often benefitting nobody. It would seem so much simpler to move these attackers up in br. Even if they suffer, it's only a small selection of jets, rather than an entire br range. It's also a selection of jets which are largely oriented towards ground rb, an entirely seperate mode.
I’m ready for the next br compression changes where they shove things like the meteor and f80 to 6.7 and then we can start omegacompressing all the props too
It’s cause players cry and complain and think every plane should be able to dog fight and not have its own purpose. I rlly think ace combat players migrated to war thunder it’s sad this game is fake asl now everyone wants to be able to pull 13 g’s going Mach 1.04 and if they black out or can’t turn hard and fast enough it’s a problem mfs can’t even flare off a missile or hit the notch and months later still see the same shi even with fox 3 coming in this game is cooked
For the separate BR of attacker aircraft, it's the opposite what you said. People wanted to keep the same br in air but give a higher br in ground battles mostly for subsonic and poorly manœuvrable aircrafts like the A10 or Su25
I mean I understand, but the year or being “too modern” doesn’t matter, it’s the comparative capability. Russia didn’t upgrade a lot of their aircraft till awhile after the US did which is why Russia gets and will be getting “newer” jets. Same with the EF2000, it’s just too good either way it’s weaponry and other tech for right now
That’s not a fair comparison though, many of the low tier AAs are not WWII vehicles, they are quite modern. If they add the Toyota technical expect them to be fighting at the low ranks due its performance.
I think the team size thing is really only done this way due to the “server traffic”. A lot of players are playing top tier and having double or triple the amount of matches (separate data for servers to deal with) would destroys current servers and as greedy as gaijin is…they wont get more servers..
The alternative is wtf is an 8.3 to 9.7 spaa going to do against an Amx? It will die from a bomb dropped from orbit without ever having a chance to kill the amx so yeah, fuck the amx, move it to 10.3 and let me fill my cup with the tears of cas players
Bought about 1-2 months worth of premium to help get to higher tiers........ within that 2 month period i decided my money is better off being used as a scoop to clean turds from the litter box.
Plane combat above like 4.7 i dont even try anymore cos its so unbalanced if you dont pay the daddy warbucks for the premium plane with the gaijin instant win 1hit missiles you’re basically maybe gonna get to fly in any then go back to the lobby, its just a takeoff simulator now. Tried switching to tank rb and that has the same exact issues except at the start of each game within like 5 minutes one team is entirely spawn trapped and just gets picked off slowly
So glad that in my four years of playing I've never spent any money on this game. I was thinking of buying a premium account about 3 years ago. After the play4peace shitfest I finally realized what kind of company gaijin was and resolved never to put a single cent into war thunder. I'm content as a f2p player until gaijin inevitably runs it into the ground
Unfortunately things won’t change as eventually nobody will care anymore, the next patch releases and everyone forgets. Also keep in mind there’s no competition and those who tried have failed.
They really don’t they’ve made the game unplayable for me it literally crashes my laptop I’ve submitted multiple bug reports and they’ve all just been labelled as duplicate then I am referred to a bug report that hasn’t been updated by the devs for more than 2 months close to 3 I’ve tried everything
Players have been wanting to nerf or even remove cas from higher brs, the fact that gaijin made it harder for CAS to just dominate ground RB and people are still mad is crazy, they try and nerf cas and people get mad, and if they leave cas at the same br people still get mad.
I think they only give us the "option" to get into small matches to stop squads stomping lobbys, imagine people from AVR with 2.0 K/S in air create 4 man squads and they get into 8v8 over and over again, it will make 100+ players stop playing in less than 2 hours.
oh nooo ppl that are better than me are killing me, how sad. no but fr whats wrong with AVR? better get outskilled than get killed by one of the 12 aim120's and r77 that are fired from every direction
At this point I believe this is because gaijian has no competition people keep playing warthunder because there is no game like warthunder and gaijin knows this. No other game has the ability to play from interwar period all the way to modern tanks and planes with such a large and beautifully designed collection of these vehicles. Only way we can get gaijin to listen to us, is praying that another company makes a game just like warthunder but better.
Idk WT been kinda fun with prem time and being able to get the occasional 8v8 or 12v12 seems like a good change, but i'd be more hyped for realistic EC
Raising the BR of the attackers was literally a good thing lol Some of these vehicles (etrad, tram, q5) were literally untouchable. Yes, they deserved being upped in br and that IS what players wanted.
@SteelxWolf He mentioned, briefly that up br'ing attackers was bad. Because they will face the pantsir now, as if that was a bad thing. Didn't you watch the video? There is a reason why I mentioned and criticised a part of it, and not the entirety.
I'm a proponent of trying out air RB EC for supersonics, and at least as a test, just import the sim game mode maps and objectives, and run it. Now, I'm not saying to get rid of the random jet soup battles, leave that game mode for those who just want a faster match. I personally have fallen for high/top tier sim air, because once I figured out controls and the perspective change, I figured out that a lot of the things that were getting frustrating for me ended up being not with the game intrinsically, but rather with the current format of air RB, it simply isn't optimized for modern jet combat. It was first balanced for props, and it hasn't changed much in its basic formula and it shows. Any suggestion for a lower amount of aircraft in a match is, at least to me, a call for a return to how this mode felt with props/ early jets. It felt better because there was more time to position yourself how/where you wanted. There were more room in your engagements and each one was less cluttered (in my experience) which led to more one v one fights, and less frustrating situations overall. With EC air RB, you will have objectives for players to go after/cover, you will have people dying/spawning at staggered intervals, leading to overall less crowding at any point in the map. And, a potential bonus: if you get shot down, with no kills, the match isn't a wash. You respawn and go try again, which at least to me is far less frustrating. I could be totally off on this, but I would at least like to see it considered, if not tried. I've played since 2012, and would like to see the full potential of this game return.
I wish people would stop complaining so much. Yes gaijin sucks and yes the game has some issues but it’s still a pretty good game. Honestly just enjoy it
Gaijin are making a mess of this but I think you're off on a lot. The A7-K is terrible at 11, 9Ls or not. The Su25s have no stand off capabilities and are highly vulnerable in GRB. The issue is the ability to stand off where there is no counter in GRB. They have chosen the most complicated option & done it badly where a very popular request of no-fly modes is ignored. A no-fly opt in like night battles would be a much simpler implementation.
SU25/ A10 is dead weight. Dieing to them after all that time is a skill issue by choice. Why would you pick a plane which has no flares 9.0 or higher? In case i have to bring one i have a brain to check the br and if there are some of them i have to play around it. In case have to face them: sneak from the side they are still slow even compared to subsonics they can face. Also: you can equip aim9b r3 and throw it on their missile at front aspect or equip unguided missiles.... It is true these things are flying freekills. The moment you start to use a mig21 mf/smt or a f8 (the version with aim9d/c and flares) or anything with flares ou can sealclub these noobplanes 24/7. And even on lower brs you can find planes to shit on a10: a4e at 8.7, ayit at 9.3, squadron swiss hunter in ger techtree. It is just so simple. I am using for air rb all my slots in all nations on autorepair and i just dont play shitty planes. br changes happens and then i can make new choices which panes to play. I think this bitching around is just too much biased. i can udnerstand why situations can be tricky, but even in a cl13b i am not afraid of a10s. on the other hand: i would never play the a10 or tram or su25 frustrating slow fuck planes. ALso: Try to get the ground rb players perspective: they are suffering on CAS - these changes making absolute sende for them. and people need now l2p approach low alt/ use terrain and actually plan/coordinate their cas-attacks. i think this rant here is just a giant skill issue excuse which many will use, not willing to adapt to situations/ becoming better
@@Will_Is_Awesome i see you are that kind of a guy who doesnt pick challenges. I even defeated the a10 after it hit me with its 9L. Its a question of awareness and picking the right fights. Calling a person braindead in such a situation is ironic. I mean its clearly your ignorant position, not willing to improve. Insulting ppl. findong solutions by using braincells. Tell me a plane of your choice and i will upload a clip for you how to deal with an uptier properly.... I agree it can be tough but it is possible to deal with them. And the monent you manage to survive the merge a10 becomes a dead fish.
Once again in a nutshell: If someone is unable to use his brain to find solutions and calls others brain-dead. That is how you glorify your own shortcomings. Exactly my sense of humor.@@Will_Is_Awesome
The same people who watch big CCs are usually the same people who read the news. The vast majority of the War Thunder playerbase DO NOT watch big CCs or participate in CC polls (hence why the boycott War Thunder day was a complete failure despite the seemingly "universal" community support). Gaijin should be praised for giving the option for those who want 8v8, and for those who want 16v16. Sure, they could have two separate queues rather than just a chance, but it's progress. I personally prefer 16v16 because it makes the painful stock grind far easier. Not everyone wants 10v10/8v8 and pretending the overwhelming majority does based on a few polls is laughable. You have no evidence that the "vast minority" want 16v16 other than a few CC polls. There is no way to gauge community opinion AS A WHOLE for anything. For example, last year there was a forum poll regarding the addition of a LATAM independent tech tree, and it got massive amounts of votes, far more than anything else on the forum at the time. Why? Because some big CCs riled up their communities and got them to bombard the polls. Polls are a really stupid way of doing it. I agree with the criticism of how they implemented separate BRs though, except for the fact that a lot of the most recent changes they put in were due to retarded community takes once again. Like the AMX going up to 10.7 rather than 11.0 despite the fact that they said the statistics of the vehicle at 10.7 would still most likely be far too high, due to "community feedback".
I feel like a lot of the issues brought up by content creators is really stuffed voiced by the loud minority. Maybe gaijin feels the same. I dont get the big deal about having 4 more people per side so long as we also get 4 people. Fly low. Notch if a bvr missile comes and ur good. You cant fly straight paths to objectives you got to follow terrain that hides you till your close enough
I care more about not seeing stock or bombing clowns in 6v6 toptier. Glad its optional: 16vs16 easy playground for collecting kills. 6v6 much more impact also if you have crash take off ppl or tks...
I understand that you hate Gaijin, they have done bad things in the past, but yours is sick, you are completely biased, because of a group of youtubers who repeat 6 vs 6 like parrots in all their videos, you cannot force the entire community of air rb to play your way. I want you to think about it for a moment, what do you think that the people who follow this group of youtubers are going to vote in a survey of their channels?, if the youtuber repeats like a parrot "6vs6 is the definitive solution for air rb", WELL OBVIOUSLY they are going to vote for 6vs6, when in reality it would be stupid if you do 6vs6 all the games, for the tryhards great, you have the tournaments there if you wanna play small modes, but for the vast majority of the community this is not a good thing, do you want to know why?, simply the people who have a higher level would abuse those who are not so good (MOST OF THE PLAYERS), and that majority would not get kills which would lead them to get frustrated and leave the game. Because in your bubble the majority of people repeat what YOU say and some RUclipsrs say without questioning whether it is a good option, it does not mean that it is. And your theory is nonsense that Gaijin enjoys torturing its players, are you joking?, Gaijin can be the most abusive company talking about monetize its game, I buy it, but it enjoys seeing its players suffer for "not limiting all the air rb games to 6vs6? Seriously? You can ask the people who work at Gaijin, they will tell you that, if you limit all the games you are going to make casual players frustrated, it is as it is, and casual players who don't a very good level of play are going to leave the game, and let me tell you THEY ARE THE MAJORITY. Honestly, Gaijin did the best in this case, I don't like how they monetize the game either, but give you the option is the best solution for this. That you choose if you want smaller games by activating a button is possitive, also you are lying when they say that no one is going to find out about this new function, when they put the same thing for the night battles when you enter the game after the update you would get an advertisement in middle of the screen that informed you of all this, they will do the same with this function, so do not lie when you say that people are not going to find out about this, it is another matter whether they use it or not. pd. I await the comments from your followers attacking me for telling you the truth, and to your followers, think a bit and analyze what it would do to force everyone to play only 6vs6.
I don't know if I would say I hate Gaijin, and I can't really understand how you think I'm "biased" because I think 16v16 is awful. I don't know any CC who has specifically said it must be 6v6 all the time, I have seen them suggest maximum 12v12 to 8v8 minimum. 16v16 is way too many players for these top aircraft with their weapons. Obviously you didn't watch the video or you would have heard me say you should have the ability to opt out of 16v16, I never said to "force" everyone to play 6v6 as you claim. Also the majority of players want to see a reduction in player count. You keep bringing up 6v6, I would love to know where you heard that because to me it sounds like you're making it up, which I do not appreciate. You say Gaijin did their best, which is clearly not true as many people, not just myself, are upset that this issue is basically being blown off with this "fix." You claim I'm lying when you are the one in fact lying here. Making up claims about 6v6 which I and no one I can think of specifically mentioned, and you also say I said "no one would find out about the lower player count option" when I said many would not as there are many players who do not read the news. They would not know about a button tucked away somewhere. While they do put information on the screen after an update it will be a single line that most people won't read, and included with the fact that it is a major update there will be so much info even less people will read the whole thing. While I don't advocate for anyone "attacking" you, people are well within their rights to disagree and respond just like I am. Again I ask where you got this 6v6 number from and I ask that you do not shove words down my that that I did not say.
It seems good that you read everything, I don't know if it's your work or something, but it seems that you are not well informed at all, the people who ask for "less playing in the match" are the people who want 6vs6, they hide saying "the community wants fewer players in the games", but if it were for them 6VS6 would be the only game mode, and this is bad for what I said before. You would make the majority of the community frustrate and leave the game, since they would not have kills in their matches and would be abused by the players who know how to play pretty well, 12VS12 I do not think it is bad or good, I do not think it breaks the game as 6vs6, but Gaijn did the right thing Your friend criticizes Gaijin for putting a button that It makes you decide if you want to play 6VS6 -> 12VS12 or play normal matchmaking. See this people wants smaller modes, right?. Ok so then Gaijin puts a button to play small modes and is not enough?. So we have to criticize Gaijin to death just because it is Gaijin? In this they did the best, it is the truth. Sorry to bother you.
You said other CCs and I were advocating for 6v6, which is not true. I asked you to provide an example, which you did not and you blew it off. Here you are putting words in others' mouths again so I will ask yet again for you to provide an example of where someone specifically said 6v6. I have not seen anyone specifically say 6v6. The lowest count I've seen a CC mention was 8v8, but most say 10v10 or 12v12. All I am saying is that those who want to not play 16v16 should be able to opt out. Are you telling me you want to force a bunch of players to play 16v16? Because that sounds very similar tp what you falsely accused me of. They in fact did not do their best, this has been a complaint for over a year and was a half ass solution.
"despite the fact that multiple polls have been run by multiple different large content creators show that the vast majority of players want a lower player count". Dude that's not a serious argument, vocal majorities in particular communities doesn't mean that they're a vast, heterogeneous majority of the community overall, as there's a reasonable chance that most of the polls share a decent amount of voters, up to 45% in the most popular Content Creators. The matchmaker has been made an option probably for big data and benchmaking analysis so we can maybe eventually get 12v12 if some conditions are met for their interests. I won't dig down further about the attackers all aspect crap because i don't support it either, but the exasperated tone you put throughout the entire video sounds like a copium mechanism by the fact that Gaijin didn't forced us to play how you liked ARB, and that's even more ludicrous than their initial proposal.
Please tell me exactly where in the video I said they should "force" everyone to play with a lower player count. It sure doesn't sound like you watched the video since I clearly said that we should have an option to ovoid 16v16 entirely, since there are plenty of people who don't want to play 16v16.
@@Will_Is_Awesome Your attitude that the call was closer to be wrong than right strongly suggests that you're way more comfortable with being a improvised and sudden change than to allow Gaijin to do something in their due process and pace. And i saw your video, though your continuous exasperated tone made it near unbearable.
@@exhausting_thoughts Then if you saw my video how did you come to the conclusion that I wanted to force everyone to play the game “my way”, since that’s clearly not what I said. Would you rather I talk in a monotone voice the whole time? Lmao. The fact that this change took over a year is appalling and really doesn’t solve the issue, which could be easily done by allowing those who want to opt out of 16v16 to do so.
@@Will_Is_Awesome Then what's your solution mister, a completely separate queue for smaller teams (Gaijin already denied that option for good)? Enlighten us, because despite your entire paragraphs, you haven't really said what's your geniune brilliant idea that outclasses Gaijin's alleged negligence about the topic.
Another Will banger
You’re telling me they don’t care about me I can’t believe this. The day is ruined.
And the disappointment is unmeasurable.
Feeding the snail is my toxic trait.
Imma be real, I am very happy about at least a few of these BR changes. Like, the A-4Es needed to go up in ground, absolutely tired of those things safely dropping GBUs and Maveriks from orbit while the AAs can't do jack about them. They get clowned on in Air RB, so this was definitely the best option for them. Also happy about the F-4F and F-104G going down in ground as it means they both now have a lineup around them where they can be used with ground vehicles instead of being out on their own.
Not to say some of these make zero damn sense. Like, look at their reasoning for moving the AMX, and then for the Super Etendard. They have the exact same reason for being moved, its just Gaijin hates France more so the Etendard stays with moving up by 2 brackets while the AMX only goes up by 1.
Overall, I do see this as a step in the right direction, at least. While I think there is certainly a lot wrong with it, and there were definitely some things missing, like moving up the A10, Su25, and A6E in Air along with Ground, I think its a positive.
Should we send the management team clown outfits?
They don’t care about me and I don’t care about them 🤝
I can’t believe such a shitty company is able to run such a large player base
That because they don’t have an equal competitor since their game is the most unique in the Vehicle vs Vehicle combat genre
That's because most of them are bots
@@warthunderbolt1345 Exactly on point.
@@R0ZEN7majority want to push for a fake more arcade like game anyways once that was noticed this game started going down hill
I'm just so tired of not being able to choose the game mode. I'll bring in 3 or 4 bombers, and still get domination, where I just get 57 pts for each bomber after i get shot down by people in jets, and especially if I use a 300% booster...
I know this is relatively unrelated, but you reminded me of the fact its been over half a year since M735 was nerfed off false information.
At this rate I would speculate on top of cost-cutting (as @mightywolf4047 said), they probably are making these changes to keep the community separated (primarily referring to keeping the A-10/Su-25's at 10.0). It's too baffling to see their changes and believe there isn't an extreme bias mindset(s) coming from somewhere (and I don't mean bias towards a nation or TT).
My solution, BR *compression*
We’ll sort the boys from the men when everything is in the same BR
It seem that's what they are after
IL-2s against F-16s lets gooooo
Wasn't that how it used to be back then when War Thunder first came out? You could fly something like a P-40 and be able to encounter stuff like Me-262s in a match?
how to stop buying golden eagles
I have unlock F-14 B , f15 A and soon the F-16 A without spending a single penny but it was and still a painful journey 😐😐
@@Mohammed-s9g1f I am so sorry for you:(
@@Mohammed-s9g1f it took me 5 years to get to top tier with all the rage quitting I feel ya
@@warthunderbolt1345 yeah bro almost 4 years for me (but including 9.0 us ground and 11.3 helis and 8.0 USSR air and 5.0 ground for germany )🥲🥲🥲
@@Mohammed-s9g1f idk if its just me but the f2p grind is very easy these days
I play since 2019 and in these whole years i only payed 25 dollar on premium time
And i have rank 5-8 in all nations
Mfw company is so greedy it actively holds them back from making more money. it's almost comical how incompetent this company can be at times
No it’s smart actually, create a problem that you solve yourself
@@Bobspineable yeah but you seed market share to WOT by doing this, it also makes it incredibly difficult to get into new markets (for example ships, or FPS) because WTs business model only works in ideal perfectly conditions of low competition, midsized market, with high moneitization tolerance
@@nick4754 Exactly, as soon as a more competent company produces something like War Thunder that caters towards the player first instead of the dollar, will be the day this satanic snail worshiping corporation will see the truth discontent of the player base. They think its fun and games now but sooner than later, they'll be crying for their 250k+ daily logins as they dwindle to the sub 1,000's. By that point, well I hope Anton and his cronies are well versed in saving and stocks otherwise another fraud scheme will have to be cooked into the books.
F5-E was already at 11.0 and got shafted, now with reduction in BR to F16A variants... I honestly not gonna play it, its gonna face 30G missiles with 25 ish flares (if ur also carrying chaff, which would now be a given)
If you're unable to make the F5E work you shouldn't be allowed to play the game I'm nearing a 3 k/d in the Thai one that's a higher br with no issue fighting F-16
Also why would you ever carry chaff lol its functionally useless against sparrows because they have chaff filtering built into their seeker
@@duceposting1831I can play it now but I just don’t see it being fun and competitive against f16s and other things , especially with only 20G rear-aspect missiles, and only those of them
@ThatChinaMainElmo you get EEGS stop relying on missiles and pretending like F-16s don't have easily flarable 9Ls I barely ever use the python 3 or 9P4 on the Thai F5E because you don't need them all you need is EEGS and and 23m of fuel
@@duceposting1831 sure, but they are stilll useful to have
Whilst I don’t agree with a few things that you said I’m glad that somebody is still taking note on how gaijin is still trying to screw us over
im a 10 year veteran of the game still don't have every vehicle as I have been mostly free to play for the majority of the time. I can happily say I am a month sober from this game and I am so much happier discovering new games has been great, its also given me time to work on my mental health aswel as warthunder felt like a full time job ontop of a fulltime job, games are meant to be fun.
I might be overly optimistic but I'll wait for the matchmaking changes to be actually implemented before drawing any conclusions.
What I'm also worried about is whether they'll even add a 13.0 or even 13.3 BR with the new Fox-3s. My (foolish) hope is that the ground/air separation will allow them to be more agressive with the decompression in air.
Their comment about not raising the Air RB br's of attackers with all aspect missiles is actually insane.
"After expending their missiles, these jets can't compete with higher performance aircraft".
Yeah, that's the point??? These are strike aircraft, they should get their shit absolutely rocked by contemporary air to air fighters. The missiles they carry are for self defense. It's also hilarious that they use this as their argument, as the weaponry is a major factor in deciding br for *every* other aircraft in the game.
These types of jets have single handedly ruined a huge swath of the jet br's. Jets like the F104, MiG 19, etc.. are all pushed down in br, because they are being bullied by jet attackers with all aspect missiles. I want you all to take a moment to think about that. Air to air fighters are being bullied by strike aircraft. These undertiered supersonics in turn oppress brs below them, and the problem ripples downwards, often benefitting nobody.
It would seem so much simpler to move these attackers up in br. Even if they suffer, it's only a small selection of jets, rather than an entire br range. It's also a selection of jets which are largely oriented towards ground rb, an entirely seperate mode.
I’m ready for the next br compression changes where they shove things like the meteor and f80 to 6.7 and then we can start omegacompressing all the props too
It’s cause players cry and complain and think every plane should be able to dog fight and not have its own purpose. I rlly think ace combat players migrated to war thunder it’s sad this game is fake asl now everyone wants to be able to pull 13 g’s going Mach 1.04 and if they black out or can’t turn hard and fast enough it’s a problem mfs can’t even flare off a missile or hit the notch and months later still see the same shi even with fox 3 coming in this game is cooked
Bro, you are the goat. You have really good points
For the separate BR of attacker aircraft, it's the opposite what you said. People wanted to keep the same br in air but give a higher br in ground battles mostly for subsonic and poorly manœuvrable aircrafts like the A10 or Su25
Great video massive W as always
You know it
And thus, the Gaijin monkey paw curls a finger…
gaijin feeds their employees LSD, thats my cope
its so annoying how theyre saying the EF is too modern just to add a russian jet from 2004 😭
I mean I understand, but the year or being “too modern” doesn’t matter, it’s the comparative capability. Russia didn’t upgrade a lot of their aircraft till awhile after the US did which is why Russia gets and will be getting “newer” jets. Same with the EF2000, it’s just too good either way it’s weaponry and other tech for right now
That’s not a fair comparison though, many of the low tier AAs are not WWII vehicles, they are quite modern. If they add the Toyota technical expect them to be fighting at the low ranks due its performance.
You can say this with any company.
man the stock grind is horrible cant bear having to spade a vehicle I already have in another tech tree
I think the team size thing is really only done this way due to the “server traffic”. A lot of players are playing top tier and having double or triple the amount of matches (separate data for servers to deal with) would destroys current servers and as greedy as gaijin is…they wont get more servers..
what the fuck is the AMX gonna do against pantsirs in a full uptier, and funnier that the A-6E will stay at 10.0
It’ll die lmao
The alternative is wtf is an 8.3 to 9.7 spaa going to do against an Amx? It will die from a bomb dropped from orbit without ever having a chance to kill the amx so yeah, fuck the amx, move it to 10.3 and let me fill my cup with the tears of cas players
Bought about 1-2 months worth of premium to help get to higher tiers........ within that 2 month period i decided my money is better off being used as a scoop to clean turds from the litter box.
Plane combat above like 4.7 i dont even try anymore cos its so unbalanced if you dont pay the daddy warbucks for the premium plane with the gaijin instant win 1hit missiles you’re basically maybe gonna get to fly in any then go back to the lobby, its just a takeoff simulator now. Tried switching to tank rb and that has the same exact issues except at the start of each game within like 5 minutes one team is entirely spawn trapped and just gets picked off slowly
skill issue
what a shocker
So glad that in my four years of playing I've never spent any money on this game. I was thinking of buying a premium account about 3 years ago. After the play4peace shitfest I finally realized what kind of company gaijin was and resolved never to put a single cent into war thunder. I'm content as a f2p player until gaijin inevitably runs it into the ground
Unfortunately things won’t change as eventually nobody will care anymore, the next patch releases and everyone forgets. Also keep in mind there’s no competition and those who tried have failed.
A Gaijin is a hit or miss with certain things like they WILL listen to one thing but not the other. W vid man hope Gaijin listens more❤
A-4E at 9.7 is atrocious
another fire vid will
It's Russian devs, they will make something great but there's a high chance they will be greedy and arrogant af
They really don’t they’ve made the game unplayable for me it literally crashes my laptop I’ve submitted multiple bug reports and they’ve all just been labelled as duplicate then I am referred to a bug report that hasn’t been updated by the devs for more than 2 months close to 3 I’ve tried everything
Do you have a link to the bug report? I can see if I can get it pushed for you
think they need another review bomb run to understand this
man i just want my beloved air sim to get some love 😭😭
Players have been wanting to nerf or even remove cas from higher brs, the fact that gaijin made it harder for CAS to just dominate ground RB and people are still mad is crazy, they try and nerf cas and people get mad, and if they leave cas at the same br people still get mad.
I think they only give us the "option" to get into small matches to stop squads stomping lobbys, imagine people from AVR with 2.0 K/S in air create 4 man squads and they get into 8v8 over and over again, it will make 100+ players stop playing in less than 2 hours.
Yeah but I’d 100% rather do even a 12v12 than 16v16. I think a lot of people would and the option to lock out 16v16 entirely should be there
oh nooo ppl that are better than me are killing me, how sad. no but fr whats wrong with AVR? better get outskilled than get killed by one of the 12 aim120's and r77 that are fired from every direction
@@hussamisen It makes sense for gaijin to keep the "casual" player happy, theres more of them, so overall more money. :D
Or, hear me out, their stats will get worse because they have 8 less enemies with skill issues for easy kills
At this point I believe this is because gaijian has no competition people keep playing warthunder because there is no game like warthunder and gaijin knows this. No other game has the ability to play from interwar period all the way to modern tanks and planes with such a large and beautifully designed collection of these vehicles. Only way we can get gaijin to listen to us, is praying that another company makes a game just like warthunder but better.
Idk WT been kinda fun with prem time and being able to get the occasional 8v8 or 12v12 seems like a good change, but i'd be more hyped for realistic EC
Orcs gunna orc.. the ceo needs a new yacht ya know. 🌻 🌻 🌻
i suppose no-one is posting anything about sim br's changing?
Raising the BR of the attackers was literally a good thing lol
Some of these vehicles (etrad, tram, q5) were literally untouchable.
Yes, they deserved being upped in br and that IS what players wanted.
except they are down BR'ing fighters. which is what nobody wanted. thats the issue hes talking about
@SteelxWolf He mentioned, briefly that up br'ing attackers was bad. Because they will face the pantsir now, as if that was a bad thing.
Didn't you watch the video? There is a reason why I mentioned and criticised a part of it, and not the entirety.
@@dxhunter9170 he said some of them
I'm a proponent of trying out air RB EC for supersonics, and at least as a test, just import the sim game mode maps and objectives, and run it.
Now, I'm not saying to get rid of the random jet soup battles, leave that game mode for those who just want a faster match.
I personally have fallen for high/top tier sim air, because once I figured out controls and the perspective change, I figured out that a lot of the things that were getting frustrating for me ended up being not with the game intrinsically, but rather with the current format of air RB, it simply isn't optimized for modern jet combat. It was first balanced for props, and it hasn't changed much in its basic formula and it shows.
Any suggestion for a lower amount of aircraft in a match is, at least to me, a call for a return to how this mode felt with props/ early jets.
It felt better because there was more time to position yourself how/where you wanted. There were more room in your engagements and each one was less cluttered (in my experience) which led to more one v one fights, and less frustrating situations overall.
With EC air RB, you will have objectives for players to go after/cover, you will have people dying/spawning at staggered intervals, leading to overall less crowding at any point in the map. And, a potential bonus: if you get shot down, with no kills, the match isn't a wash. You respawn and go try again, which at least to me is far less frustrating.
I could be totally off on this, but I would at least like to see it considered, if not tried. I've played since 2012, and would like to see the full potential of this game return.
I wish people would stop complaining so much. Yes gaijin sucks and yes the game has some issues but it’s still a pretty good game. Honestly just enjoy it
Side note: my comment is for everything outside of the last br changes. Bc they are bs no doubt
we should call for another boy cot
Breaking news! Game company cares about money!
Another great vid, keep it up :)
Will doing better videos than bigger ytbers but has less subs 😢
It’s turning into Fortnite 2.0
Gaijin are making a mess of this but I think you're off on a lot. The A7-K is terrible at 11, 9Ls or not. The Su25s have no stand off capabilities and are highly vulnerable in GRB.
The issue is the ability to stand off where there is no counter in GRB.
They have chosen the most complicated option & done it badly where a very popular request of no-fly modes is ignored. A no-fly opt in like night battles would be a much simpler implementation.
SU25/ A10 is dead weight. Dieing to them after all that time is a skill issue by choice.
Why would you pick a plane which has no flares 9.0 or higher?
In case i have to bring one i have a brain to check the br and if there are some of them i have to play around it.
In case have to face them: sneak from the side they are still slow even compared to subsonics they can face.
Also: you can equip aim9b r3 and throw it on their missile at front aspect or equip unguided missiles....
It is true these things are flying freekills.
The moment you start to use a mig21 mf/smt or a f8 (the version with aim9d/c and flares) or anything with flares ou can sealclub these noobplanes 24/7.
And even on lower brs you can find planes to shit on a10: a4e at 8.7, ayit at 9.3, squadron swiss hunter in ger techtree.
It is just so simple. I am using for air rb all my slots in all nations on autorepair and i just dont play shitty planes. br changes happens and then i can make new choices which panes to play.
I think this bitching around is just too much biased.
i can udnerstand why situations can be tricky, but even in a cl13b i am not afraid of a10s.
on the other hand: i would never play the a10 or tram or su25 frustrating slow fuck planes.
ALso: Try to get the ground rb players perspective: they are suffering on CAS - these changes making absolute sende for them.
and people need now l2p approach low alt/ use terrain and actually plan/coordinate their cas-attacks.
i think this rant here is just a giant skill issue excuse which many will use, not willing to adapt to situations/ becoming better
If you seriously think dying to a 9L at 9.0 in a subsonic flareless plane is a “skill issue” you are actually brain dead.
@@Will_Is_Awesome i see you are that kind of a guy who doesnt pick challenges. I even defeated the a10 after it hit me with its 9L. Its a question of awareness and picking the right fights.
Calling a person braindead in such a situation is ironic. I mean its clearly your ignorant position, not willing to improve.
Insulting ppl. findong solutions by using braincells.
Tell me a plane of your choice and i will upload a clip for you how to deal with an uptier properly....
I agree it can be tough but it is possible to deal with them. And the monent you manage to survive the merge a10 becomes a dead fish.
Once again in a nutshell: If someone is unable to use his brain to find solutions and calls others brain-dead.
That is how you glorify your own shortcomings.
Exactly my sense of humor.@@Will_Is_Awesome
@@Will_Is_Awesomeif you actually let an A-10 gets within 3km of you with its nose on Target that death is purely on you
The same people who watch big CCs are usually the same people who read the news. The vast majority of the War Thunder playerbase DO NOT watch big CCs or participate in CC polls (hence why the boycott War Thunder day was a complete failure despite the seemingly "universal" community support). Gaijin should be praised for giving the option for those who want 8v8, and for those who want 16v16. Sure, they could have two separate queues rather than just a chance, but it's progress. I personally prefer 16v16 because it makes the painful stock grind far easier. Not everyone wants 10v10/8v8 and pretending the overwhelming majority does based on a few polls is laughable. You have no evidence that the "vast minority" want 16v16 other than a few CC polls. There is no way to gauge community opinion AS A WHOLE for anything. For example, last year there was a forum poll regarding the addition of a LATAM independent tech tree, and it got massive amounts of votes, far more than anything else on the forum at the time. Why? Because some big CCs riled up their communities and got them to bombard the polls. Polls are a really stupid way of doing it. I agree with the criticism of how they implemented separate BRs though, except for the fact that a lot of the most recent changes they put in were due to retarded community takes once again. Like the AMX going up to 10.7 rather than 11.0 despite the fact that they said the statistics of the vehicle at 10.7 would still most likely be far too high, due to "community feedback".
But your gonna keep playing.
New sub
I feel like a lot of the issues brought up by content creators is really stuffed voiced by the loud minority. Maybe gaijin feels the same. I dont get the big deal about having 4 more people per side so long as we also get 4 people. Fly low. Notch if a bvr missile comes and ur good. You cant fly straight paths to objectives you got to follow terrain that hides you till your close enough
yea I dont care about them either, win-win
Damn will really fell off
So true!
I care more about not seeing stock or bombing clowns in 6v6 toptier. Glad its optional: 16vs16 easy playground for collecting kills. 6v6 much more impact also if you have crash take off ppl or tks...
...or f15 ppl with 3 fueltanks at a non ec map....
I understand that you hate Gaijin, they have done bad things in the past, but yours is sick, you are completely biased, because of a group of youtubers who repeat 6 vs 6 like parrots in all their videos, you cannot force the entire community of air rb to play your way.
I want you to think about it for a moment, what do you think that the people who follow this group of youtubers are going to vote in a survey of their channels?, if the youtuber repeats like a parrot "6vs6 is the definitive solution for air rb", WELL OBVIOUSLY they are going to vote for 6vs6, when in reality it would be stupid if you do 6vs6 all the games, for the tryhards great, you have the tournaments there if you wanna play small modes, but for the vast majority of the community this is not a good thing, do you want to know why?, simply the people who have a higher level would abuse those who are not so good (MOST OF THE PLAYERS), and that majority would not get kills which would lead them to get frustrated and leave the game.
Because in your bubble the majority of people repeat what YOU say and some RUclipsrs say without questioning whether it is a good option, it does not mean that it is. And your theory is nonsense that Gaijin enjoys torturing its players, are you joking?, Gaijin can be the most abusive company talking about monetize its game, I buy it, but it enjoys seeing its players suffer for "not limiting all the air rb games to 6vs6? Seriously?
You can ask the people who work at Gaijin, they will tell you that, if you limit all the games you are going to make casual players frustrated, it is as it is, and casual players who don't a very good level of play are going to leave the game, and let me tell you THEY ARE THE MAJORITY. Honestly, Gaijin did the best in this case, I don't like how they monetize the game either, but give you the option is the best solution for this. That you choose if you want smaller games by activating a button is possitive, also you are lying when they say that no one is going to find out about this new function, when they put the same thing for the night battles when you enter the game after the update you would get an advertisement in middle of the screen that informed you of all this, they will do the same with this function, so do not lie when you say that people are not going to find out about this, it is another matter whether they use it or not.
pd. I await the comments from your followers attacking me for telling you the truth, and to your followers, think a bit and analyze what it would do to force everyone to play only 6vs6.
1st off, nobody said 6v6 ever. not one CC... ever.
2nd. I readin allat
interesting story bruh, sucks i ain't readin it
I don't know if I would say I hate Gaijin, and I can't really understand how you think I'm "biased" because I think 16v16 is awful. I don't know any CC who has specifically said it must be 6v6 all the time, I have seen them suggest maximum 12v12 to 8v8 minimum. 16v16 is way too many players for these top aircraft with their weapons.
Obviously you didn't watch the video or you would have heard me say you should have the ability to opt out of 16v16, I never said to "force" everyone to play 6v6 as you claim. Also the majority of players want to see a reduction in player count. You keep bringing up 6v6, I would love to know where you heard that because to me it sounds like you're making it up, which I do not appreciate.
You say Gaijin did their best, which is clearly not true as many people, not just myself, are upset that this issue is basically being blown off with this "fix." You claim I'm lying when you are the one in fact lying here. Making up claims about 6v6 which I and no one I can think of specifically mentioned, and you also say I said "no one would find out about the lower player count option" when I said many would not as there are many players who do not read the news. They would not know about a button tucked away somewhere. While they do put information on the screen after an update it will be a single line that most people won't read, and included with the fact that it is a major update there will be so much info even less people will read the whole thing.
While I don't advocate for anyone "attacking" you, people are well within their rights to disagree and respond just like I am. Again I ask where you got this 6v6 number from and I ask that you do not shove words down my that that I did not say.
It seems good that you read everything, I don't know if it's your work or something, but it seems that you are not well informed at all, the people who ask for "less playing in the match" are the people who want 6vs6, they hide saying "the community wants fewer players in the games", but if it were for them 6VS6 would be the only game mode, and this is bad for what I said before.
You would make the majority of the community frustrate and leave the game, since they would not have kills in their matches and would be abused by the players who know how to play pretty well, 12VS12 I do not think it is bad or good, I do not think it breaks the game as 6vs6, but Gaijn did the right thing
Your friend criticizes Gaijin for putting a button that It makes you decide if you want to play 6VS6 -> 12VS12 or play normal matchmaking.
See this people wants smaller modes, right?. Ok so then Gaijin puts a button to play small modes and is not enough?. So we have to criticize Gaijin to death just because it is Gaijin?
In this they did the best, it is the truth. Sorry to bother you.
You said other CCs and I were advocating for 6v6, which is not true. I asked you to provide an example, which you did not and you blew it off. Here you are putting words in others' mouths again so I will ask yet again for you to provide an example of where someone specifically said 6v6. I have not seen anyone specifically say 6v6. The lowest count I've seen a CC mention was 8v8, but most say 10v10 or 12v12.
All I am saying is that those who want to not play 16v16 should be able to opt out. Are you telling me you want to force a bunch of players to play 16v16? Because that sounds very similar tp what you falsely accused me of. They in fact did not do their best, this has been a complaint for over a year and was a half ass solution.
"despite the fact that multiple polls have been run by multiple different large content creators show that the vast majority of players want a lower player count".
Dude that's not a serious argument, vocal majorities in particular communities doesn't mean that they're a vast, heterogeneous majority of the community overall, as there's a reasonable chance that most of the polls share a decent amount of voters, up to 45% in the most popular Content Creators.
The matchmaker has been made an option probably for big data and benchmaking analysis so we can maybe eventually get 12v12 if some conditions are met for their interests.
I won't dig down further about the attackers all aspect crap because i don't support it either, but the exasperated tone you put throughout the entire video sounds like a copium mechanism by the fact that Gaijin didn't forced us to play how you liked ARB, and that's even more ludicrous than their initial proposal.
Please tell me exactly where in the video I said they should "force" everyone to play with a lower player count. It sure doesn't sound like you watched the video since I clearly said that we should have an option to ovoid 16v16 entirely, since there are plenty of people who don't want to play 16v16.
@@Will_Is_Awesome Your attitude that the call was closer to be wrong than right strongly suggests that you're way more comfortable with being a improvised and sudden change than to allow Gaijin to do something in their due process and pace.
And i saw your video, though your continuous exasperated tone made it near unbearable.
@@exhausting_thoughts Then if you saw my video how did you come to the conclusion that I wanted to force everyone to play the game “my way”, since that’s clearly not what I said. Would you rather I talk in a monotone voice the whole time? Lmao. The fact that this change took over a year is appalling and really doesn’t solve the issue, which could be easily done by allowing those who want to opt out of 16v16 to do so.
@@Will_Is_Awesome Then what's your solution mister, a completely separate queue for smaller teams (Gaijin already denied that option for good)?
Enlighten us, because despite your entire paragraphs, you haven't really said what's your geniune brilliant idea that outclasses Gaijin's alleged negligence about the topic.
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for your vid. well done, but about "steel" , not trustworthy imo
how?? I made a meme video making fun of them for being out of touch lol?
Cash Cow is old and outdated
Wll try other tank games... they are even worse.
w video
bro think he Steel with all this ranting
so cool fact we dont care about you crying