So exotic, gaming focused hardware + nvidia + not using proton yet. Yeah... that might be less than ideal, even if lutris is a thing. Anthony has a lot of work ahead of him at least lol
Well you can't expect everyone to be using a GTX 1060. Also, most native games don't work and if they do work they are janky! Which is why devs should ditch native Linux and just support Proton !
Only games I had issues with native was CS:GO and Payday 2. Mainly CS:GO taking like 1 minute to load rather than a couple of seconds on Windows. Payday 2 just has frame rate issues.
@Noneof Business They basically don't care at all for Linux yet they have a lot of ARM and linux hardware that is kind of important. That's why Torvald hates Nvidia, or one of the reasons
@@pauldoyle8681 For those who are blocked by RUclips because they consider that video to be age blocked, and not willing to give Google their ID papers. Here is the full version: ruclips.net/video/MShbP3OpASA/видео.html at around 49 minutes you can find that question and Linus giving them the finger.
For anyone thinking of doing this, here's the key difference: Intel and AMD contribute patches directly to the Linux kernel and Mesa (the open-source unified graphics driver project for UNIX-like operating systems), NVIDIA sneers derisively at open-source developers. Hope that helps.
Why don't you find out what is really going on edge lord. Nvidia was the very first hardware manufacturer to ever support Linux. And no they cannot open source their driver because they license the technology they use. It is not theirs to give away!
@@1pcfred nvidia intentionally made part of their drivers contain proprietary microcode.. (since gtx10xx series I believe). They'll give us some proprietary drivers to feign care, but even those drivers are anything but perfect.. They make us choose between shit and nothing.
@@W--ko9ms you claim that Nvidia feigns caring but what precisely are you basing your assumption on? Please explain your train of thought and logic to me. Because from talking directly to Nvidia developers myself and witnessing what they've done I have come to quite a different reasoned conclusion myself. Ready, go!
Guys, you should not compare the Nvidia proprietary drivers with the open-source nouveau drivers. Nvidia GPUs require signed firmware (microcode) inside the driver, since the 1080 generation, just to prevent Linux from developing an open-source driver for their cards.
@@joelchrono I guess. Really it seems like he's having more trouble than he would if he would put in some research. Though I guess I can't really say since he hasn't described his setup yet.
If you want to "experince" how it would be on an Steam Deck, please use a AMD GPU, due to the fact AMD open sources their drivers, and works WITH linux devs to optimise it. Nvidia doesnt.
I think using Nvidia is actually a good thing for their experiment. Its not so much for getting a feel for the steam deck but for Linux gaming in general. Many people will have Nvidia GPUs.
@@nepnep6894 yeah the Graphics Drivers for AMD go better this years, but on Linux they dont have AMDProDrivers, i have to use CoreCTRL with 0overclock option xD
they wanted to experience Linux like any user would that wanted to switch and with the Steam Hardware Survey showing 75% of GPUs being used being from Nvidia these issues would affect the vast majority of users today.
Nvidia just isn't a fun experience on Linux. Yes, it works... but is an inferior experience. AMD GPUs on the other hand are so good and feel much better than the windows counterpart. I really do think the future of Linux gaming is just running everything through Wine or Proton. Native Linux Games that have been ported over are a mixed bag.
Through Wine/Proton is a great compromise, it doesn't affect the life of windows gamers and helps linux users to get into gaming, it is a win/win situation.
For me it is great because having games run in linux through a emulation layer won't affect me as a Windows gamer as it would if all games were made only to be linux native.
@@victorhugofranciscon7899 wine= wine is not an emulator and proton is based off wine. All wine does is tell where the files are that linux needs to run the program. It dosnt emulate anything :)
@@MrDeadmanwalken1 well I thought that it would try to emulate DirectX, I do not have technical expertise in this stuff, thanks for correcting me to you both, I hope (at least) the message was transmitted.
@@cartamarpharious Does it really make any difference to a user? What's an emulator do? Translates foreign instructions to something your system can understand. What does wine do? Translate foreign instructions to something your system can understand. It isn't Windows, but it acts like Windows for applications that expect Windows. In other words, it emulates. I'm sure the difference is important to a developer. What you're translating (hardware instructions vs syscalls), maybe how it accomplishes the translation. But the end result amounts to the same thing.
some linux native ports are lack luster or not updated. forcing a linux native game to use proton should download the windows version and then maybe your saves would also work
I've been switching to gaming on Linux simultaneous with you. I'm certainly a different type of gamer, mostly playing indie titles, but I also own a valve index, so I wanted at least beatsaber to work. With my setup - an AMD Ryzen 3600, a Radeon 5700rx and a pretty basic monitor (1080p60) - and a fresh manjaro installation, _everything_ ran out of the box; and I do mean everything, even VR was pretty much plug and play. I was half expecting to go on a big troubleshoot quest for fitting drivers and minor annoyances, but I was very pleasently surprised by my overall experience. Heck, I never got tetris effect to launch on windows and it worked perfectly on manjaro, so with that in mind it's actually gotten better :D Only caveat: Since pretty much my whole library is on steam, all my testing has been through proton so far (everything else I play does have native Linux clients).
@@kingofbubbles6220 I run Arch (btw) on my working machine, I actually like the hassle of tinkering with it :D But for the gaming rig, manjaro was the perfect no-hassle but also no-compromise Installation. Also, the default plasma setup they ship it with gave me serious r/unixporn vibes :D
You say that, but my Ryzen 3600X needs a slight underclock or else it just keeps crashing on Linux. 3.75 GHz? Fine. 3.8 GHz? Linux just craps itself. I'm assuming its a mobo quirk...
Bought an AMD gpu specifically due to better driver support on linux. The open source AMD-gpu driver is great and does everything I need it to do, no problems for my setup and uses.
Same. I was using linux for over a year on my thinkpad before I decided to build my own PC and I very strictly chose only AMD as well as researched to see if the parts I chose worked well on linux.
@@gsrcrxsi when Indian giver AMD decided to support Linux again for the umpteenth time they opted to not go back into their past releases and support any of that hardware. Good old on again off again AMD. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.
I remember good old days when Debian was refusing to understand my monitor was capable of 1280x1024 and only run at 800x600, and for whatever reason the one file that I was supposed to edit to add extra modes didn't even exist in that version anymore Ubuntu on the other hand ran DE properly, but as soon as GRUB started it switched to some unsupported mode and came back to life only when DE picked up or that time when Debian netinstaller was like "you'd like to use WPA2? best I can do is unencrypted"
I can relate to this. I forget how the GRUB part gets fixed, but yeah... weird the DEs don't offer some kind of "BTW, would you like to teak your bootloader's resolution as well?"
What do you mean "good old days"? I was having that resolution problem just last week :P It was for an old onboard Nvidia chip. Proprietary drivers don't cover it anymore and the open one produce graphical glitches and crashes. So I wanted to run without a GPU and that seems to still be limited to 1280x1024
@@FlameSoulis you change the grub menu resolution by entering it in the grub GFX mode option in the config file... (In the /etc/default/grub file) You also need to run the grub-mkconfig command afterwards to actually implement the changes.
Remember that time when Ubuntu 17.10 came with a broken Vulkan for AMD cards? I member! They fixed that bug in a swift manner of 6 months aka with 18.04 release.
me too, I just got into linux and was using linux mint on my laptop with a nvidia gpu and the open source driver just didn't work and i couldn't install any of the proprietary drivers safe to say that pop has been a great experience so far but I still have linux mint installed on an old laptop, I just hope at some point it gets better with nvidia drivers because I really did like using it
I think they mentioned this on the livestream, but Linus’s set up is like among the top percent of individual PC users. It’s so exotic that most of his hardware/configuration is unsupported, or tantamount to being unsupported.
Well, PopOS! is designed for gaming and to just "work" right out of the box. People like Myself who use standard distro's not designed for gaming from the start sometimes run into odd issues like this
For Nvidia drivers… yeah, the open source nouveau (new-voah) driver sucks. From what I’ve heard, it’s because Nvidia hasn’t been cooperating with the people working on nouveau. Edit: As for the prop. drivers, I’m on a laptop (Razer Blade Pro) with a 1060 and enabling either the Nvidia or Nvidia/Intel-hybrid drivers disables either my laptop’s built in display or my HDMI monitor. :/
The closed ones aren't that much better. It's safe to say nvidia sucks for anything but windows. Linux drivers are bad, Mac drivers got dropped. They rather throw all that money at stuff like hairworks.
Correct. Starting with the 9xx GPUs Nvidia implemented firmware signing so it's impossible for the open source driver to reclock the GPU, so it's impossible to get good performance. Before that nouveau was decent. And unlike AMD nvidia doesn't release firmware binaries. Really you should buy AMD if you want to play on Linux.
the official nvidia driver is great, I honestly don't understand people's issues with it. I've had issues with drivers on AMD gpus, but I've never had an issue besides "I forgot to set up dkms when using the manual installer" with the nvidia driver. THAT SAID, I AM AN ADVANCED USER, and this probably doesn't apply to y'all at all. But if you're doing machine learning, linux is very officially supported by nvidia - in fact, it's more supported than windows in many ways.
This is part of the reason Valve has encouraged developers to use Proton vs developing a native app. Valve is putting a lot of work in to make sure the Windows builds are working as well as possible, and splitting a dev team to do a Windows and Linux build will mean that they have to support both. Some do this well, most don't. Valve wants companies to focus their efforts on making the game better on one platform, while leaving Valve to improve the support of that platform on another.
@@RabbitTV95 Which games are you finding that to be the case with? I'm running a Windows/Arch dual-boot, and while I've been able to get most games working on Proton, they take a LOT longer to load and don't perform as well. Native games, on the other hand, do tend to see an uplift on Linux, from what I've seen. I get the enthusiasm from the Linux community, but with millions of people soon to be diving into it via the Steam Deck, I'm not sure the age-old white lie of "games through the compatibility layer are faster than native Windows" is such a great plan. Setting peoples' expectations up to be dashed is just going to make them want to bail and run back to Windows.
By the same token we can also all speak every language on Earth! We just need a translator with us at all times, which is obviously no hassle whatsoever, right?
@@TheUltimateBlooper that's already the case and yeah the translators are doing a pretty bang up job i'd say, since we're not gonna realistically force a single language, that's the best alternative, it's the same thing with compatibility layers except actually way more convenient and less noticeable, our best option until linux market share among gamers expands enough to make native ports viable which right now it simply isn't for many developers
more often than not windows binaries run better (proton or wine+dxvk) than native ones. Why? Because people don't put as much effort in Linux support! Don't encurage people to make native binaries, encurage them to use less propriatary APIs (and Vulkan instead of DirectX)
It is also kind of the Compaq idea. When Compaq started, they developed their OS to run IBM software, and they did it by trying to run IBM software and fixing where it crashed. The result? Well IBM software would run better on a Compaq machine then an IBM machine. Same thing can be said with running native Windows apps and games in Linux. More people are working to fix it and get it running on Linux then those who are paid to prioritize and fix it from the dev teams. I personally find it hilarious that I have fewer problems running games like Fallout: New Vegas and Skyrim on Linux then I did on Windows. Edit: Typo
I think that we should encourage both, games like splitgate with native ports run amazingly (also double the fps than on windows), and better then on proton.
Anything that depends on OpenGL is going to be slow. Fortunately most of the major engines now support Vulkan. There was a thread from 2017 about Ark getting Vulkan support, so when's the last time you checked?
He... Is expecting them to have everything running great for gaming now, when it hasn't been a Linux priority, ever. Being they valve is involved that will change, but he said it himself it takes time. Gaming on Linux is still basically in its infancy, it's only been about 6yrs of "heavier" development.
@blacknester nah just get amd graphics instead of buying nvidia. Moreover, that's not linux's problem. Thoose drivers can be much better and we can do nothing about that company having proprietary drivers. I heard same thing goes to amd graphics on windows. Things can be improved if nvidia open sourced thoose drivers
Ooooooh boy! Im SO glad Linus and Luke are learning our immense frustration with Nvidia's awful driver. I really hope they can put some pressure on Nvidia to be more Linux-friendly. They are seeing precisely why Linus Torvalds has nothing but /colorful/ words to say about Nvidia and their anti-consumer antics. And you see exactly why my next GPU is going to be AMD, full stop
"I get triggered when my monitor is running at 60 Hz." I know exactly what you mean. I was testing some recording settings while playing ff14 and I dropped the frame cap for 14 to 60 and immediately hated it.
I thought 30 hz / fps was fine until recently, since I had been doing 4k gaming for the past 5 years. Turns out a GTX 1080 plays way better at 1080p/60fps than 4k/25fps.
I remember back in the day when we aimed for 30fps in games. Fluid motion occurs at less than 30fps so double that is, in theory, more than enough. Higher framerates and monitor refresh rates have only become desirable due to new display technology quirks and higher screen resolutions, but are not inherently necessary.
This is one of the last remaining niggles on Linux for me where my Sony bluetooth headphones that I use for music and meetings sometimes gets stuck in it's "voice" call mode and plays my music at a super low fidelity. Turning Airplane mode on and off fixes it pretty quick but still, doesn't happen on Windows, Android or iOS
To be honest, if Linus had started with Proton, I doubt he would have had some of the issues. Valve actually recommends playing the Proton version of games over the Native games. That’s because game developers really didn’t spend the time optimizing the experience for linux, whereas that’s the entire job of the Proton team.
Let's be real, Linus wants the more interesting bumpy road, all the choices he made lead to that. I'm not complaining, a regular gamer might not be able to just choose to buy an AMD GPU just to switch to Linux.
@blacknester and nVidia on laptops is 100 times worse than on desktops with their Optimus. I wish I new it in advance, to buy a laptop with MUX switch, to avoid Optimus, but in this case I would also lost hardware video decoding in browser for anything not H264 (Intel is doing really good job with VAAPI support though)
@@brownianmotion7747 Ubuntu do be really cool tho, idk why ppl always shit on gnome bruh it looks good to me imo. Tried XFCE today on Manjaro and had yet another learning curve cuz duh Arch kinda bites me in the ass but aye its not like i want to use Archlabs anways.
At least the last 5-6 years, I've had the opposite experience with Linux v Windows desktop experience. Bearing in mind my only apples to apples comparison is an XPS 15 with a 1050 that dual boots, but hitting the Windows desktop is always sluggish, strangely delayed, and quite honestly just hard to tell if it's doing what you asked. I know people are using the exact laptop to edit video, but I have issue running Davinci Resolve on it in Windows for some reason. Ubuntu+Gnome absolutely has its issues, but the last few big updates have made things a lot snappier. With native OBS, Davinci Resolve, and Lutris and Steam to help with non-native, plus dual 1440p 144 hz monitors on my desktop, it's rare I run into issues. And all that stuff can still run on the laptop when I need it with a lower performance hit than the Windows install which is a big part of what's impressed me about Linux over the years.
I can second this, I recently, after a 15 years break, installed Windows 11 in order to play FarCry 6 with my son, and OMG I was impressed how slow the OS could feel. Lags and delays are all over the desktop - you press the button to show you all tray icons and sometimes it takes literally a second on 5800X with Windows running on SATA SSD to open a popup. I'm using Plasma and it feels so much snappier and responsive!
I bet his unique setup is the sole reason for all those glitches. My experience has been almost painless. And something also tells me he's using the Flatpak for Steam. Use the APT version!!
THIS! Steam is one of those programs where the flatpak is just so much worse for any number of reasons. I have noticed that most flatpak programs have improved dramatically in the 2020-2021 cycle but steam sadly was not one of them.
@@pieterrossouw8596 the flatpak version bugs out when you use secondary drives for steam library? Maybe that's just a mounting/automounting issue. Perhaps your automount settings are doing it per user (at login) and not mounting to /mnt, instead of at system boot and mounting to /mnt. I had to make sure to fix that with the AUR version
1:10 One problem I have that I'm sure not many people encounter is using an "Overclocked" display with AMD GPU because there's no way to push say 280hz instead of 240. Don't think there exists a way. I believe this isn't an Nvidia problem so much but shouldn't be for AMD with how much of some distros is actually AMD drivers.
also I really doubt the nvidia open source drivers will work for your cards. Nvidia doesn't play nicely with the open source community. I think the firmware is encrypted so the open source drivers can't work properly without documentation or some help from nvidia.
Some of these problems are probably Nvidia problems rather than Linux problems. Nvidia doesn't care about supporting Linux for gamers, only for deep learning and other scientific/productivity applications. And they don't give a shit about the open source community so they won't release (in a legally redistributable and usable form) the firmware images necessary to make their cards minimally functional. AMD does that and if Nvidia did the same the community would be able to work around the crap closed source driver. As it is now, it's actually impossible for any open source driver to increase the clock speed of a Nvidia GPU above it's boot speed of a few hundred Mhz (as in Nvidia removed the ability of open source firmware to do so starting with the 9xx GPUs) And I get that the user experience is what matters regardless of whose fault it is. It's just extremely frustrating that Nvidia's stubbornness and refusal to genuinely adopt open source, or at least not actively hinder it. As another example, a lot of problems with displays can be fixed by using Wayland instead of X11, but Wayland adoption has been greatly hindered by the fact that Nvidia refused to support Wayland in the industry standard way.
BS I've been running the Nvidia binary drivers since the day they were released. There's absolutely nothing wrong with them or anything better on Linux. You don't even know why Nvidia has to release their drivers closed source so STFU about shit you have zero understanding of already.
What do you mean the Linux driver updates get fixes and features related to games. We even recently got support for extensions needed for async reprojection in VR. The latest Nvidia driver adds support for gbm to be used with wayland.
If it weren't because of the GPU crisis, -and because I ended up spending all the money I was going to spend on PC upgrades in headphones,- I would be running an AMD GPU right now. Nvidia on Linux sucks in a mayor way.
That's not true. Nvidia drivers for Linux are not bad. They are just proprietary and not embedded in the kernel. Several distributions (such as Pop_OS or Manjaro) have a good management of drivers installation, and nowadays they also include Ray-Tracing and DLSS capabilites. Tbf, I had the chance to try both cards, and decided to keep Nvidia. As much as AMD gets all the (deserved) love of the Linux community, there is no way their hardware could match Nvidia performance.
@@LordDaveTheKind Alright, maybe I was being a little too harsh. After all, I am running an 1080ti right now, and is not like my PC is bricked or anything. Everything works... except when I tried to install a GTX 980 as second card because I wanted to run my CRT from its analog port plus other monitors, but the drivers didn't like that at all and was causing me all sorts of annoying issues so I had to give up on that. In any case, I don't care anymore about having the latest performance, or ray-tracing, or DLSS (I'm suck with a 1080 after all) and I would rather have AMD in Linux than Nvidia. My sentiment comes from historical precedent of neglectfulness from Nvidia in the past. When you use their GPUs on Linux, because they gate keep with proprietary software, you're left to their mercy and they tend to neglect.
@@Lambda_Ovine I used to have a 1080Ti as well before. It was performing fairly good tbh. Anyway yes, there is the perception that previous models are left behind. On the brighter note, the Nvidia Linux Beta driver released just today comes with GBM support
Ive had the same experience, there was a rough patch when fglrx support ended and the opensource driver wasn't quite ready (openSuSE and my radeon HD 6850) but after that every mesa version was like a brand new GPU. Until my new system which ran at top speed on 2nd try (radeon RX560) (needed a newer mesa version Just had to update the distro)
It's possible to launch a native game with Proton. So if there's audio problems or controller issues, you can add it to Steam and launch with proton. Same style of process to add to lutris if you wanted that
HDMI Freesync on Linux isn't a thing because HDMI isn't an open specification :( I hope the HDMI standard rots in hell and gets replaced completely by DisplayPort.
I have a 2080 TI that I really wanted to use in Linux but getting the proprietary drivers properly setup drives me to rage quit. AMD open source graphics drivers setup "just works" . The worst issue I've run into is some screen tearing which was sorted out after a couple of setting changes. I'm currently using Garuda Linux and it comes with the AMD graphics support running properly out of the gate. I may try re-installing with the TI in my system and see if it works as seamlessly as the AMD install has. I would like to play around with nvenc and gaming on the RTX 2080 ti but if it fails to work for me I can live with sticking with AMD and put the RTX back in my Windows system.
I remember when i first installed linux running into issues with my laptop's wifi driver. It was apparently proprietary. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a driver from the internet when you dont have internet
I appreciate the talks, but would equally love to see some actual screen display to go along with your words. As of now, I still have no real clue what Linux even looks like with whatever OS you opt for etc, how the whole deal plays out. It's like listening to an audio book that is trying to describe a movie to me. Just, a bit of visual context here and there would be great :)
If your new to Linux and you want to try stuff out just make a bootable USB and run it off the UBS stick just to get a feeling for the OS. Personally if your new just stick with Pop!_OS because in the end distro doesn't matter and pop os is the save way to go.
@@tjaytje Nah I'm not interested in trying Linux, as I have yet to find a real reason to do so in the first place - hence my comment. Some visuals of what Linux actually allows you to do/not do etc would simply be a help in informing people who aren't already actively approaching the Linux experience. I mean, their goal is to represent the average consumer, right? And rn I bet the average consumer isn't actively wanting to swap to Linux without knowing what it even is/looks like/how the ux is. Just my 2 cents as someone who is curious.
@@tjaytje ye but I'm at Linus' vids cus I enjoy watching him and trust his approaches in general. Dont wanna vid shuffle when the potential solution is very easy. Anyways this is tbh less about me, and more about people in general who might be in a similar position. Im not here for Linux, I'm here for Linus ^^
To be fair, this is a clip from their livestream, the WAN show, so it’d be harder to have nice graphics on screen while they talked unless they planned it out ahead of time. However, they do have a bunch of videos about Linux on their channel, all of which are pretty informative.
One word. Lutris. Then run everything through proton. I'm playing AC:Valhalla at 60+fps on Arch Linux. Most games work. (80%) some need tweaking (10%) some are borked.
I've used Nvidia on Linux since 1996. I started out with an MX 200. Go look up what one of those is. Nvidia was the first hardware manufacturer that ever supported Linux. Give that the time of day.
Remember friends talking about the weird nightmare issues that their GTX 980's gave them, opted to go all AMD from there and haven't regretted it a day, even better as I dump Windows for linux!
@@UNSCPILOT good luck on your Linux adventure. Your friend is wrong on Nvidia on Linux though. I've been running Nvidia on Linux since before the binary driver was even available. I ran the bin driver the day it was first released. So it is fair to say I'm pretty experienced. Let's see what I'm running today. Would you look at that? 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] (rev a2) This is my Fourth Nvidia card I've run in Linux. I had an MX 200 MX 400 a GT 520 and this one. I'd have something else by now too but we all know what's going on in the market these days. So I'm kind of stuck with what I've got.
What I'd recommend for controller support: Dualshock 3 (PS3) controller, plug it straight in to your desktop, don't worry about drivers, they're built in to most distro's kernel's to start with.
i keep it simple ubuntu 21.10 with nvidia 470 non-free drivers on a gtx 1660 works lovely run games good been playing swords of legends online quite a lot :)
i don't know how anybody uses ubuntu's GUI, it was my first linux experience and i almost gave up on linux because of it... until 30 seconds later i had switched over to Cinnamon and was blown away by how easy it was to accomplish.
I switched in August to Linux. I've never used it before. I started on Pop and have since moved to Manjaro. I also have an Arch install that I installed by following the Wiki. I use an Nvidia 3060ti with a Ryzen 5 3600 and 32G 3600. I haven't had any problems with games so far except Distant Worlds: Universe, but to be fair I need to install a specific Dx9 to make it work in Windows 10. If I could figure out how to utilize that version of DX I might be able to get it to work. I get ~50 more frames on 7 Days to Die compared to Windows. I get ~10 less frames on CyberPunk compared to Windows (Windows utilizing RT and DLSS). My Arch install is using the latest Nvidia Driver and Manjaro is one patch behind. My Arch install took much more effort to setup, but it wasn't too bad after installing Paru. I'm quite surprised at how well my experience is coming along. I think I will buy an AMD GPU next though if Nvidia doesn't step up. As I stated, I haven't really had any Nvidia issues, but I'm lacking features. Cyberpunk has AMD's version of DLSS and I would love to see the difference between the the two cards
Isn't the whole Linux v Nvidia clash going to be a problem. The steam hardware survey puts users at overwhelmingly owning nvidia GPUs, and if the goal from Valve and other big players is to gently introduce people to linux gaming through proton, life will be much harder bringing even a subset of those users over to linux on their desktops even if they love the steam deck environment. Should valve promote AMD GPUs?
They're already doing a great job promoting amd by making gaming viable on Linux. Many gaming cafés (? very outdated term) use windows machines with nvidia cards, and whenever they get restarted you can see nvidia and intel get a massive boost on steam hardware survey. I'm sure when proton starts working on all esports titles and it's time to get some new pcs a lot of cafés will consider switching to linux to cut costs of windows licenses and easier way to customise the OS to their needs.
You can force the Steam client to use Proton regardless of weather or not theres a native client present. That solves the problem with the sometimes borked ports and cross platform saves, since your running the windows version.
Love the new WAN show set. Are you using any inline pre-amp on those RE20s? Such as a Cloud CL-1 or Radial McBoost? It sounds like your interface doesn't have enough clean gain to get those mics where they need to be leaving the sound a bit thin. This is common with most interfaces, and even sound consoles, with the EV RE20 and Shure SM7B.
Reminds me of quote from from a very well known tech-youtuber saying, that you can defiantly game on Linux. but some people just wanna play games on windows and not get a second systemadmin job.
@@DGP406 I am pretty sure Linus HAS used Linux bevor. And this video clearly proves the point. Not to mention that I, as who also used Linux, can confirm this. This sounds like someone who has used Linus for more than a web browser and some office apps throw wine and some other random Standartprogramms. This video already probably has more issues with running games than I had in the last 10 years with windows. And they haven't even used proton(Wich already is the simple solution).
There's also the philosophy about putting insecure programs like games on a secure OS defeating the purpose of packaged security. No problem with dualbooting, gaming should be done on the inescure and banking should be done on the secure.
@@Biaanca5036 there is also a thing as not wasting your time. This is completly unessary. (As you can see by the fact that our society surprisingly didn't colaps even thou 99.999% of people don't do it.) If you really want this pice of security Programm isolation is definitely enough. And any modern os has this. (Although still noone uses it. Except for. Windows 11 because it is on by default.) As long as you are somewhat carfull and don't download randome shit there is really no need to do that in a private setting.
Only issue I ever really ran into was tearing on my 1080TI, that was solved with nvidia server settings. Forcing x-pipeline or something pipeline. Most solutions are pretty well documented. You just have to take the time to set it all up. Make plenty of timeshift backups. But when all else fails just setup a kvm with an additional graphics card and play on windows through Linux. performance difference is not noticeable.
likely the reason that the exotic hardware isn't working is due to no/bad drivers in the kernel version you're using, but that's not something you can easily fix on pop OS as updating the kernel manually isn't really supported well. Regarding choppiness, I had the same issue on linux, but switching to Wayland over x11 helped fix it, even if Wayland is a bit unsupported still.
It's not a fix on Pop OS, it's using the software drivers Nvidia provides. 470 is the newest one by the looks of it, and I don't think it supports the 3000 series GPU's
Worst part by far in Linux isn't the support imo. But it changing. I've had few laptops that had ie. graphics issue, which where fixed. But in next release it got broken again. This has happened to me few times and that is what really sucks on Linux.
@@TauxWau nvidia's wayland support is fine. It is just xwayland that was the issue. Nvidia is finally giving in and working on a compromise probably due to valve's gamescope microcompositor.
I wish I could afford your kind of hardware setup to compare stuff, but for me Nvidia's drivers just works. I have "built" my own type 1 hypervisor from a CLI only install of Debian and then I was testing some virtual machines with two Nvidia GPU pasthrough (one for each), still no issues except for the "error 43" thing because it was before Nvidia removed that.
Yes gaming on linux is a lot better now, the thing is that “better” is relative. You don’t know how bad it was before, especially with nvidia and their bs.
Yea cutting edge support is kinda tough in linux. I kinda kept to Ubuntu+proprietary drivers/software because I just wanted everything to work rather than spending a lot of time trying to get things to work. AMD's open source drivers are better, NVIDIA's prop drivers are better. Hopefully with more people running linux, more development goes to it. That being said, Windows 11 does bring quite a few features I hope that will come to Linux (Android support, Direct access, HDR etc)
Gsync/VRR can be turned off on the monitor OSD if you don't want to mess with config or GUI dialogues. There is a Xorg-server update coming to fix multi monitor VRR support (and other things). If you use Wayland, then maybe you deal with other new issues... (wayland causes too many issues for me to use).
Windows has no capability to overwrite opened files. That is why when Windows auto update launches, it takes over the computer and you have to wait for it to finish. The mandatory reboot is for one purpose only, to overwrite system files to complete the update process. This is a huge contrast to Linux, which from day 1 is designed to enable overwriting of files even it they are currently open in a particular app. That is the reason why patching Linux don't require mandatory reboot. The pc being updated is 100% usable in Linux, the user will only feel more disk and network activity in the background. I'm using Linux as a daily driver since 2010. Windows 2000 was the last Microsoft OS I daily drove prior to fully migrating. If you choose to switch, the biggest challenge is the Windows bias that you built mentally over the years. A completely new computer user can utilize Linux better than a veteran Windows refugee. Switching to Linux is like abandoning your childhood religion that your parents forced fed to you and turning atheist.
my first gaming on linux experience was trying out a linux native port of Half Life 2 that i found on some torrent site. The Experience was excellent for me, i was running a passively cooled budget laptop back then so it was kind of a godsent for me in that regard.
Dude, honestly for gaming on Linux - use AMD. The difference between a company sharing its instructions with the Mesa/Xorg/etc guys vs not is something you can really feel.
I did recent benchmarking of the open source Nouveau driver versus the NVidia official driver under Linux on my i7-6800K/GTX-1060 system. Using the benchmark in HL2:Lost Coast. The Nouveau got 18fps, the NVidia got 300fps. The NVidia driver has also been my biggest problem with getting Linux distros to work on my systems.
"You with with the proprietary driver? It's a piece of crap." *AMEN, Linus.* I don't know how people keep recommending Nvidia for Linux. Their driver sucks and the open-source driver is crippled because Nvidia doesn't care about the community. My switch to AMD earlier this year hasn't been perfect (I mean, this **is** Linux...) but its so much less annoying than what I was putting up with before.
the Nvidia proprietary driver is MILES ahead of the AMD drivers, open or closed. the problem most people have is installing the driver (needing to blacklist nouveau, kill the window manager etc, but at least the Ubuntu PPA makes it easy). AMD drivers are pretty buggy and don't support older GPUs with more advanced OpenCL features. for strictly gaming, the AMD drivers are OK. anything more, and it's a headache.
@@gsrcrxsi Installing Nvidia's drivers is a huge pain point, but I ran into many other issues. My observation has been that the proprietary Nvidia drivers offer more functionality as well as more sharp corners (SLI, Optimus, and Wayland were my particular sore spots). The bog-standard DRM/Mesa drivers have always been far less pointy for me, though they don't do quite as much. My usage doesn't push the boundary too far (only rarely fire up games or compute tasks) so it could very well be that the pain tables turn at some point.
I've been running the Nvidia binary driver since the day it was released and it's been reliable for me. Well the first couple months of betas were a little patchy but that was over 20 years ago. So I would definitely recommend Nvidia as the most stable and highest performing graphics adapter on Linux right now. We'll see what Intel can do with Arc. But right now that's vaporware.
@@jigpu2630 Nvidia does not support Wayland at all. So big surprise that does not work. Wayland is a POS. Not Nvidia's fault. Maybe Wayland should try harder to support Nvidia? Nvidia supporting Linux is charity. They make no money doing it. So we should be grateful for whatever we get.
Dlss is already nearly working, and raytracing is w.i.p if I recall. With nvidia I generally always recommend to always stick with the Nvidia vulkan beta drivers. That is where all of the fixes show up first
Yes it is. It's also possible to utilize FSR with raytracing irrespective of the game having built in support or not if it's run through vulkan via an FSHack patched wine. I personally use this approach along with a few other postprocessing effects for better color in vkbasalt.
New Manjaro user here, but all distros I've tried have the same issue: I cannot get either my USB Xbox controller or Bluetooth/Wireless Xbox controller to work reliably. Bluetooth functionality, in particular, is janky as hell...when/if I can get my (recently-firmware-updated) Xbox controller to pair (and that's a huge if), then it frequently disconnects and will never connect again until I reboot. Both controllers work perfectly on the exact same PC running off a Windows 10 drive. Same USB port for dongle.
linux gaming user here :) i use steam, uplay and origin. no issues with either uplay and origin is through lutris but its straight forward, all i can say is just make sure wine is up to date allong with your gpu drivers and dxvk and you really shouldnt have much issues. the only thing im personally missing is no cod warzone, but im happy to live without, any questions ill be more than happy to try and help
He's an english canadian. Most of those don't speak nor understand one word of french. There aren't that many Canadians outside Québec or New Brunswick that can understand our language and the rest will expect you to speak to them in english only despite not being willing to do the same in return. If you're not from Canada, you're probably unaware of the constant discrimination by anglophones towards francophones of any province, more so towards Qc as we are the only province with a majority of french speakers. The country really isn't as bilingual as you may think, i'll just leave it at that.
@@gustru2078 I'm Canadian (anglophone). I hated French throughout school and quit as soon as I could (after grade 9), and I still know enough to (at least sort of) pronounce French words and say a few basic phrases. To be fair I live in ON right next to QC, so we have a lot more French influence than Vancouver does, but still.
I still remember the week I had to spend using Linux Mint many years ago, honestly it was a pain because allot of the software I wanted to run was only available in source (such as Alephone/Marathon) and I kept getting dependency or compile errors. On Windows all I had to do was download the binary. Even in Uni, the tutor’s demo code required me to switch to CentOS because of compile errors.
@@1pcfred When you’re having to go through multiple dependencies, with multiples versions, on sometimes additional repos, it can quickly feel annoying. Especially when: 1) On Windows I’d have been in the middle of playing my game by the time I’m done with just dealing with the dependencies 2) It still doesn’t compile
Arent they both running pop-os? The drivers should be installed and working pretty flawlessly out of the box. (If u pick the nvidia version which includes the drivers and uses X11 instead of wayland) Including the refreshrate should be working ootb. The game issues with cut-out frames / half resolutions / snapping to another screen .... is pretty much the expirience everytime I tried gaming on linux.
afaik they didnt tell us their distro yet also this might be the case for most setups but linus passes all his I/O through thunderbolt wich makes it a lot more complicated
You are entirely correct. AMD GPUs works so much. Use the open-source drivers and you are good to go. Nvidia does not work as well, however I guess they want to test worst-case user experience
Yeah I tried to do this a couple years ago and talk about a PITFA!! I was a diehard win7 and refused to go to win10.then they stopped win7 updates ,so I tried to switch to Linux but omg hell no.that experience caused me to Actually enjoy and Appreciate win10 and all the work Microsoft does on it..
Well then it is good he tries. If you cannot run the most popular brand on Linux the distro is worth nothing. And I do not care if it is NVIDIAs fault or the fault of Santa Clause. If I use an OS I expect it to work properly without fiddeling around.
@@1337Jogi Its pretty simple actually. If you want to run incompatible hardware. Linux isn't for you. Honestly I don't of any OS on planet that runs with incompatible hardware properly.
@@herbertwestiron To have incompatible mainstream hardware in the first place is like a huge fail on the Linux side. It is more the other way around. I don't know any hardware that would run properly on a faulty OS.
@@1337Jogi How do say its a mainstream hardware for linux? Its also not the other way around because softwares runs on hardware not other way around. Ever tried running mac os on your pc? Oh how about dos with nvidia gpu? Your argument doesn't even make sense. The os that's not designend to run nvidia will not run nvidia not matter what you say. You don't want to use the os because of that, understandable. However what you are saying is OS 'failed' because it won't run on your casio watch that doesn't make sense in the slightest. The kernel creator literally showed birds to nvidia and you want it to run properly? Do you think before typing?
Nvidia proprietary drivers don't play nice with a lot of Linux software but it's still the best out there for the cards. In my experience, choosing the right combination of desktop environment and compositor makes a huge difference for how snappy Linux feels when displaying content and moving windows around. I had to figure all that out and switch software a few times when I was gifted a Nvidia GPU last week. I settled on Manjaro + xfce (desktop environment), using the compositor built into xfce + a few tweaks to the Nvidia and xfce configuration files to make compatibility better. I thought xfce would seem old and retro looking. But with a themed plank dock, a DE reskin, and some new icon packs it's looking like a spiced up macOS
On god I've had the exact opposite experience, Nvidia on PopOS with the Nvidia driver gave me no issues everything ran fine and DaVinci Resolve worked fine out the box. Then my 1060 died and I had to swap to an R9 380 and it has been an absolute nightmare since then. My refresh rate is all fucked, DaVinci Resolve no longer starts up anymore, and now I have this problem where if I boot up my PC with all three monitors plugged in I will only get picture on one of them and need to reboot with one plugged in then plug in the other two once I'm into my desktop environment
(on the subject of adjusting graphics settings) Windows: Oh no there's control panel and settings it'll confuse users Linux using a separate application for each setting, keeping half the settings behind shell anyways: Let me introduce myself
I'm a bit of an odd one. When I switched over to Linux to see how well it'd pan out over a year ago, what I didn't expect was that getting each of my games running the way I wanted them to took me nearly a week. What I also didn't expect was that I had more fun getting them working in such an unconventional setup than I did actually playing them. Once all my games were running the way I wanted them to run, I was bored because the challenge was gone and there was nothing left to figure out. It still amazes me that I'm able to play each and every one of my Windows games on a Linux operating system, though to be fair I don't play many anti-cheat games, and the ones that I do offer the ability to play offline without it, like Conan: Exiles. Of course most people aren't like me and the above is an example of why I had no issue sticking to Linux only for all this time. It's not like it's stupidly difficult like trying to install certain distributions from the 90s, but switching to Linux as a Windows gamer is a bit trickier than for someone who uses mostly Internet or office applications. Definitely doable and not as hard as one might think, but there are still some pitfalls to watch out for.
That's not true. We might have got some new features like Ray-Tracing or DLSS at same time as Windows users, but it works perfectly now. Their collaboration with the Linux community has been less continuous than AMD maybe, but it is a complex matter for a big company.
I don't understand, for me it's VERY rare to have a bug like that, on my hardware (a laptop with intel/nvidia), these errors happen more often on windows than on linux
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So exotic, gaming focused hardware + nvidia + not using proton yet. Yeah... that might be less than ideal, even if lutris is a thing. Anthony has a lot of work ahead of him at least lol
lol
Well you can't expect everyone to be using a GTX 1060. Also, most native games don't work and if they do work they are janky! Which is why devs should ditch native Linux and just support Proton !
Ltt liked my comment. Holy fuck I don't know how to react lol
@@ricardoricardo3232 Literally never had an issue with a native game. And it doesn't have to be a 1060.
Only games I had issues with native was CS:GO and Payday 2. Mainly CS:GO taking like 1 minute to load rather than a couple of seconds on Windows. Payday 2 just has frame rate issues.
There's a reason that Linus Torvalds gave the middle finger to Nvidia.
@Noneof Business They basically don't care at all for Linux yet they have a lot of ARM and linux hardware that is kind of important. That's why Torvald hates Nvidia, or one of the reasons
ruclips.net/video/IVpOyKCNZYw/видео.html
@@pauldoyle8681 For those who are blocked by RUclips because they consider that video to be age blocked, and not willing to give Google their ID papers.
Here is the full version: ruclips.net/video/MShbP3OpASA/видео.html at around 49 minutes you can find that question and Linus giving them the finger.
@Noneof Business here the short answer, just 2 min with the question : ruclips.net/video/i2lhwb_OckQ/видео.html
But do you know what that reason is? Hint it had absolutely nothing to do with the GT series of hardware.
For anyone thinking of doing this, here's the key difference: Intel and AMD contribute patches directly to the Linux kernel and Mesa (the open-source unified graphics driver project for UNIX-like operating systems), NVIDIA sneers derisively at open-source developers.
Hope that helps.
Why don't you find out what is really going on edge lord. Nvidia was the very first hardware manufacturer to ever support Linux. And no they cannot open source their driver because they license the technology they use. It is not theirs to give away!
@@1pcfred shill
@@W--ko9ms I try to clue you in and you respond in a typical fashion.
@@1pcfred nvidia intentionally made part of their drivers contain proprietary microcode.. (since gtx10xx series I believe). They'll give us some proprietary drivers to feign care, but even those drivers are anything but perfect.. They make us choose between shit and nothing.
@@W--ko9ms you claim that Nvidia feigns caring but what precisely are you basing your assumption on? Please explain your train of thought and logic to me. Because from talking directly to Nvidia developers myself and witnessing what they've done I have come to quite a different reasoned conclusion myself. Ready, go!
Guys, you should not compare the Nvidia proprietary drivers with the open-source nouveau drivers. Nvidia GPUs require signed firmware (microcode) inside the driver, since the 1080 generation, just to prevent Linux from developing an open-source driver for their cards.
some maxwells too
You can use open source with 600 and 700 series I think as firmware is provided? allowing reclocking.. but yeah nobody runs those GPU's anymore?!
@@PRiMETECHAU i have a 750ti, nouveau sucks too xD
@@reiken2762 reclocking may not be automatic?
@@joer8854 yes, i'm aware of it, if i could just buy one XDDD
It seems that the theme of this series is Linus having problems that Luke simply doesn't
Linus is the peak "consoomer" wojack imo
I forget if they agreed to hair dying as punishment for going back. But I hope they did they did looks like Luke's got this.
@@simponic hard disagree. The kind of troube he gets is something a "consoomer" wouldn't even know how to explain, maybe stop watching Luke Smith
Can't wait to see linus with no beard lol, wouldn't trust him to install browser extensions
@@joelchrono I guess. Really it seems like he's having more trouble than he would if he would put in some research. Though I guess I can't really say since he hasn't described his setup yet.
If you want to "experince" how it would be on an Steam Deck, please use a AMD GPU, due to the fact AMD open sources their drivers, and works WITH linux devs to optimise it. Nvidia doesnt.
The only advantage is a control panel for the proprietary nvidia drivers. On amd gpus for some things you have to edit some config files for freesync
I think using Nvidia is actually a good thing for their experiment. Its not so much for getting a feel for the steam deck but for Linux gaming in general. Many people will have Nvidia GPUs.
@@nepnep6894 yeah the Graphics Drivers for AMD go better this years, but on Linux they dont have AMDProDrivers, i have to use CoreCTRL with 0overclock option xD
they wanted to experience Linux like any user would that wanted to switch and with the Steam Hardware Survey showing 75% of GPUs being used being from Nvidia these issues would affect the vast majority of users today.
Aren't the proprietary drivers from nvidia for linux very good?
Nvidia just isn't a fun experience on Linux. Yes, it works... but is an inferior experience.
AMD GPUs on the other hand are so good and feel much better than the windows counterpart.
I really do think the future of Linux gaming is just running everything through Wine or Proton. Native Linux Games that have been ported over are a mixed bag.
Through Wine/Proton is a great compromise, it doesn't affect the life of windows gamers and helps linux users to get into gaming, it is a win/win situation.
For me it is great because having games run in linux through a emulation layer won't affect me as a Windows gamer as it would if all games were made only to be linux native.
@@victorhugofranciscon7899 wine= wine is not an emulator and proton is based off wine. All wine does is tell where the files are that linux needs to run the program. It dosnt emulate anything :)
@@MrDeadmanwalken1 well I thought that it would try to emulate DirectX, I do not have technical expertise in this stuff, thanks for correcting me to you both, I hope (at least) the message was transmitted.
@@cartamarpharious Does it really make any difference to a user?
What's an emulator do? Translates foreign instructions to something your system can understand.
What does wine do? Translate foreign instructions to something your system can understand.
It isn't Windows, but it acts like Windows for applications that expect Windows. In other words, it emulates.
I'm sure the difference is important to a developer. What you're translating (hardware instructions vs syscalls), maybe how it accomplishes the translation. But the end result amounts to the same thing.
some linux native ports are lack luster or not updated. forcing a linux native game to use proton should download the windows version and then maybe your saves would also work
the funniest part of it all is that the good linux ports have better performance than windows versions on windows
That's exactly what I had to do when switching from Windows to Linux with my hollow Knight save.
Their saves won't work if they're saved in their Windows partition. Linux is good but it does not have super cow powers.
@AleksSDF Gearbox is trash
@@1pcfred `apt-get moo` would like to disagree
I've been switching to gaming on Linux simultaneous with you.
I'm certainly a different type of gamer, mostly playing indie titles, but I also own a valve index, so I wanted at least beatsaber to work.
With my setup - an AMD Ryzen 3600, a Radeon 5700rx and a pretty basic monitor (1080p60) - and a fresh manjaro installation, _everything_ ran out of the box; and I do mean everything, even VR was pretty much plug and play.
I was half expecting to go on a big troubleshoot quest for fitting drivers and minor annoyances, but I was very pleasently surprised by my overall experience.
Heck, I never got tetris effect to launch on windows and it worked perfectly on manjaro, so with that in mind it's actually gotten better :D
Only caveat: Since pretty much my whole library is on steam, all my testing has been through proton so far (everything else I play does have native Linux clients).
I love Manjaro, it basically has all the benefits of using Arch without the hassle of using Arch.
OwO you dont say~~~
@@kingofbubbles6220 I run Arch (btw) on my working machine, I actually like the hassle of tinkering with it :D
But for the gaming rig, manjaro was the perfect no-hassle but also no-compromise Installation. Also, the default plasma setup they ship it with gave me serious r/unixporn vibes :D
@@ShaneFagan inb4 windos font rendering
You say that, but my Ryzen 3600X needs a slight underclock or else it just keeps crashing on Linux. 3.75 GHz? Fine. 3.8 GHz? Linux just craps itself. I'm assuming its a mobo quirk...
Bought an AMD gpu specifically due to better driver support on linux. The open source AMD-gpu driver is great and does everything I need it to do, no problems for my setup and uses.
Until you need to do anything with OpenCL 2.0. Especially if you have Vega or older. Then it’s a dumpster fire. Older AMD is stuck with legacy openCL
Same. I was using linux for over a year on my thinkpad before I decided to build my own PC and I very strictly chose only AMD as well as researched to see if the parts I chose worked well on linux.
@@Kodeb8 That is really shows how bad using Linux is.
AMD drivers are bad enough on Windows.....far worse than NVIDIA.
@@1337Jogi They're talking about the Linux drivers though?
@@gsrcrxsi when Indian giver AMD decided to support Linux again for the umpteenth time they opted to not go back into their past releases and support any of that hardware. Good old on again off again AMD. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.
I remember good old days when Debian was refusing to understand my monitor was capable of 1280x1024 and only run at 800x600, and for whatever reason the one file that I was supposed to edit to add extra modes didn't even exist in that version anymore
Ubuntu on the other hand ran DE properly, but as soon as GRUB started it switched to some unsupported mode and came back to life only when DE picked up
or that time when Debian netinstaller was like "you'd like to use WPA2? best I can do is unencrypted"
I can relate to this. I forget how the GRUB part gets fixed, but yeah... weird the DEs don't offer some kind of "BTW, would you like to teak your bootloader's resolution as well?"
Oh my. Yep, XFree86 was an incredible pain to configure.
What do you mean "good old days"? I was having that resolution problem just last week :P
It was for an old onboard Nvidia chip. Proprietary drivers don't cover it anymore and the open one produce graphical glitches and crashes. So I wanted to run without a GPU and that seems to still be limited to 1280x1024
@@FlameSoulis you change the grub menu resolution by entering it in the grub GFX mode option in the config file... (In the /etc/default/grub file)
You also need to run the grub-mkconfig command afterwards to actually implement the changes.
Remember that time when Ubuntu 17.10 came with a broken Vulkan for AMD cards? I member! They fixed that bug in a swift manner of 6 months aka with 18.04 release.
Man I recently moved to popos and never experienced anything as bad as this. It was basically plug and play.
Same, I only needed an extension to manage my audio devices. (for gaming I had issues with my PS5 controller being mapped wrong I guess)
me too, I just got into linux and was using linux mint on my laptop with a nvidia gpu and the open source driver just didn't work and i couldn't install any of the proprietary drivers
safe to say that pop has been a great experience so far but I still have linux mint installed on an old laptop, I just hope at some point it gets better with nvidia drivers because I really did like using it
I think they mentioned this on the livestream, but Linus’s set up is like among the top percent of individual PC users. It’s so exotic that most of his hardware/configuration is unsupported, or tantamount to being unsupported.
Well, PopOS! is designed for gaming and to just "work" right out of the box. People like Myself who use standard distro's not designed for gaming from the start sometimes run into odd issues like this
This. Even on gentoo must stuff just works plug and play. There are many plugs but they all work instantly. :D
I think it’s just their exotic setup.
Love how this is even a conversation now, things have come a long way in the last few years
For Nvidia drivers… yeah, the open source nouveau (new-voah) driver sucks. From what I’ve heard, it’s because Nvidia hasn’t been cooperating with the people working on nouveau.
Edit: As for the prop. drivers, I’m on a laptop (Razer Blade Pro) with a 1060 and enabling either the Nvidia or Nvidia/Intel-hybrid drivers disables either my laptop’s built in display or my HDMI monitor. :/
Linus Torvalds publicly told Nvidia "Fuck You" because they are literally the enemies of open source:
ruclips.net/video/i2lhwb_OckQ/видео.html
The closed ones aren't that much better. It's safe to say nvidia sucks for anything but windows. Linux drivers are bad, Mac drivers got dropped. They rather throw all that money at stuff like hairworks.
i am a "nouveau more like no-video" believer myself
anything beyond maxwell will just not work properly
Correct. Starting with the 9xx GPUs Nvidia implemented firmware signing so it's impossible for the open source driver to reclock the GPU, so it's impossible to get good performance. Before that nouveau was decent. And unlike AMD nvidia doesn't release firmware binaries.
Really you should buy AMD if you want to play on Linux.
the official nvidia driver is great, I honestly don't understand people's issues with it. I've had issues with drivers on AMD gpus, but I've never had an issue besides "I forgot to set up dkms when using the manual installer" with the nvidia driver.
THAT SAID, I AM AN ADVANCED USER, and this probably doesn't apply to y'all at all. But if you're doing machine learning, linux is very officially supported by nvidia - in fact, it's more supported than windows in many ways.
I've found proton can be better then native for some games, better controller support and better performance sometimes
Yea cuz devs don't optimize their native versions so the windows version ends up being more stable, ain't blaming them tho
in benchmarks of some modern games, proton runs around 15% better than native port.
This is part of the reason Valve has encouraged developers to use Proton vs developing a native app. Valve is putting a lot of work in to make sure the Windows builds are working as well as possible, and splitting a dev team to do a Windows and Linux build will mean that they have to support both. Some do this well, most don't. Valve wants companies to focus their efforts on making the game better on one platform, while leaving Valve to improve the support of that platform on another.
@@RabbitTV95 Which games are you finding that to be the case with? I'm running a Windows/Arch dual-boot, and while I've been able to get most games working on Proton, they take a LOT longer to load and don't perform as well. Native games, on the other hand, do tend to see an uplift on Linux, from what I've seen. I get the enthusiasm from the Linux community, but with millions of people soon to be diving into it via the Steam Deck, I'm not sure the age-old white lie of "games through the compatibility layer are faster than native Windows" is such a great plan. Setting peoples' expectations up to be dashed is just going to make them want to bail and run back to Windows.
ive found on trackmania nations forever that proton is better than windows 10. windows 10 requires a patch, and proton is click and go.
Its really cool how quickly proton is changing linux gaming. :)
By the same token we can also all speak every language on Earth! We just need a translator with us at all times, which is obviously no hassle whatsoever, right?
@@TheUltimateBlooper that's already the case and yeah the translators are doing a pretty bang up job i'd say, since we're not gonna realistically force a single language, that's the best alternative, it's the same thing with compatibility layers except actually way more convenient and less noticeable, our best option until linux market share among gamers expands enough to make native ports viable which right now it simply isn't for many developers
more often than not windows binaries run better (proton or wine+dxvk) than native ones. Why? Because people don't put as much effort in Linux support! Don't encurage people to make native binaries, encurage them to use less propriatary APIs (and Vulkan instead of DirectX)
And some linux ports just don't properly work (constant crashes)
It is also kind of the Compaq idea. When Compaq started, they developed their OS to run IBM software, and they did it by trying to run IBM software and fixing where it crashed. The result? Well IBM software would run better on a Compaq machine then an IBM machine. Same thing can be said with running native Windows apps and games in Linux. More people are working to fix it and get it running on Linux then those who are paid to prioritize and fix it from the dev teams.
I personally find it hilarious that I have fewer problems running games like Fallout: New Vegas and Skyrim on Linux then I did on Windows.
Edit: Typo
I think that we should encourage both, games like splitgate with native ports run amazingly (also double the fps than on windows), and better then on proton.
@@rosa1848 splitgate is the most unstable Linux port I've ever played, when trying in proton the performance wasn't that different
@@atiedebee1020 really? for me it ran pretty much flawlessly. I'm also running proprietary nvidia drivers so i find that really surprising
Note that some games run better over proton than their linux natives (i.e. ARK: Survival Evolved)
Anything that depends on OpenGL is going to be slow. Fortunately most of the major engines now support Vulkan. There was a thread from 2017 about Ark getting Vulkan support, so when's the last time you checked?
@@DFPercush It's been about a year and a half. I just remember the native being really bad and running it on proton worked flawlessly. lol
@@DFPercush I played a Bit of native ark recently and it got way better with some Update in the summer
It is impressive how unlucky Linus is
He... Is expecting them to have everything running great for gaming now, when it hasn't been a Linux priority, ever. Being they valve is involved that will change, but he said it himself it takes time.
Gaming on Linux is still basically in its infancy, it's only been about 6yrs of "heavier" development.
Just because he ran linux on nvidia xD
@@prajhualak I use Linux with Nvidia, and yet to have an issue.
@blacknester nah just get amd graphics instead of buying nvidia. Moreover, that's not linux's problem. Thoose drivers can be much better and we can do nothing about that company having proprietary drivers. I heard same thing goes to amd graphics on windows. Things can be improved if nvidia open sourced thoose drivers
@@prajhualak the vast majority of people aren't going to buy a new graphics card just to switch the OS my dude.
Linus talking about "nvidia driver issues" on Linux?? I can't believe what I'm witnessing :D
Yeah, it's almost like a deja-vu, right?
@@earthling_parth And its also the Linus from ltt and not the Linus from Linux.
@@fryvox3147 I guess that's what Sasa meant in the original comment too :D
An LTT desktop Linux channel would be awesome
for additional videos and maybe live stream uploads, but for everything else they reach more ppl on the main channel
Yes! And with Anthony as host!
Ooooooh boy! Im SO glad Linus and Luke are learning our immense frustration with Nvidia's awful driver. I really hope they can put some pressure on Nvidia to be more Linux-friendly. They are seeing precisely why Linus Torvalds has nothing but /colorful/ words to say about Nvidia and their anti-consumer antics. And you see exactly why my next GPU is going to be AMD, full stop
i wish i could just buy a new gpu...
@@justanotherpxrson at not insane prices
If they dont wanna do the work ,they just have to make the drivers open source and the drivers will become awsome within moths
@@ThylineTheGay even if prices were normal i couldnt buy a gpu
@@justanotherpxrson you can easily make money
"I get triggered when my monitor is running at 60 Hz."
I know exactly what you mean. I was testing some recording settings while playing ff14 and I dropped the frame cap for 14 to 60 and immediately hated it.
first-world-problems moment
Comments like these hit hella different when you pretty much only used 60 Hz for most of your life and almost never anything higher than that.
I thought 30 hz / fps was fine until recently, since I had been doing 4k gaming for the past 5 years. Turns out a GTX 1080 plays way better at 1080p/60fps than 4k/25fps.
@@brainwater No fucking shit.
I remember back in the day when we aimed for 30fps in games. Fluid motion occurs at less than 30fps so double that is, in theory, more than enough. Higher framerates and monitor refresh rates have only become desirable due to new display technology quirks and higher screen resolutions, but are not inherently necessary.
I found that Astroneer is an interesting case where it only launches if my headphones are in A2DP mode not headset mode
This is one of the last remaining niggles on Linux for me where my Sony bluetooth headphones that I use for music and meetings sometimes gets stuck in it's "voice" call mode and plays my music at a super low fidelity. Turning Airplane mode on and off fixes it pretty quick but still, doesn't happen on Windows, Android or iOS
It's a shame that both are using nvidia graphics cards and not one with an amd card; it would be interesting to see how they compare.
That would interfere with the required drama...
To be honest, if Linus had started with Proton, I doubt he would have had some of the issues. Valve actually recommends playing the Proton version of games over the Native games. That’s because game developers really didn’t spend the time optimizing the experience for linux, whereas that’s the entire job of the Proton team.
Yeah, I've played only one or two games in native Linux. Proton versions work so much better.
Let's be real, Linus wants the more interesting bumpy road, all the choices he made lead to that. I'm not complaining, a regular gamer might not be able to just choose to buy an AMD GPU just to switch to Linux.
@blacknester and nVidia on laptops is 100 times worse than on desktops with their Optimus. I wish I new it in advance, to buy a laptop with MUX switch, to avoid Optimus, but in this case I would also lost hardware video decoding in browser for anything not H264 (Intel is doing really good job with VAAPI support though)
Loving the new WAN Show setup, I use Hannah Montana Linux btw
"I use arch btw"
i use ligma OS btw
I use amogusOS btw
I use Ubuntu btw
@@brownianmotion7747 Ubuntu do be really cool tho, idk why ppl always shit on gnome bruh it looks good to me imo. Tried XFCE today on Manjaro and had yet another learning curve cuz duh Arch kinda bites me in the ass but aye its not like i want to use Archlabs anways.
At least the last 5-6 years, I've had the opposite experience with Linux v Windows desktop experience. Bearing in mind my only apples to apples comparison is an XPS 15 with a 1050 that dual boots, but hitting the Windows desktop is always sluggish, strangely delayed, and quite honestly just hard to tell if it's doing what you asked. I know people are using the exact laptop to edit video, but I have issue running Davinci Resolve on it in Windows for some reason.
Ubuntu+Gnome absolutely has its issues, but the last few big updates have made things a lot snappier. With native OBS, Davinci Resolve, and Lutris and Steam to help with non-native, plus dual 1440p 144 hz monitors on my desktop, it's rare I run into issues. And all that stuff can still run on the laptop when I need it with a lower performance hit than the Windows install which is a big part of what's impressed me about Linux over the years.
I can second this, I recently, after a 15 years break, installed Windows 11 in order to play FarCry 6 with my son, and OMG I was impressed how slow the OS could feel. Lags and delays are all over the desktop - you press the button to show you all tray icons and sometimes it takes literally a second on 5800X with Windows running on SATA SSD to open a popup. I'm using Plasma and it feels so much snappier and responsive!
I bet his unique setup is the sole reason for all those glitches. My experience has been almost painless. And something also tells me he's using the Flatpak for Steam. Use the APT version!!
THIS! Steam is one of those programs where the flatpak is just so much worse for any number of reasons. I have noticed that most flatpak programs have improved dramatically in the 2020-2021 cycle but steam sadly was not one of them.
Definitely, can't add a Steam library on another drive. I'm kinda happy that my Linux compatible game library has outgrown my 512GB SSD though.
@@pieterrossouw8596 the flatpak version bugs out when you use secondary drives for steam library? Maybe that's just a mounting/automounting issue. Perhaps your automount settings are doing it per user (at login) and not mounting to /mnt, instead of at system boot and mounting to /mnt. I had to make sure to fix that with the AUR version
Yess. For some reasons, the flatpak versions (not only games) were not compiled with necessary features enabled.
He probably should have used a AMD laptop or something to run linux, his rig is a worst case scenario in some ways...
1:10 One problem I have that I'm sure not many people encounter is using an "Overclocked" display with AMD GPU because there's no way to push say 280hz instead of 240. Don't think there exists a way. I believe this isn't an Nvidia problem so much but shouldn't be for AMD with how much of some distros is actually AMD drivers.
also I really doubt the nvidia open source drivers will work for your cards. Nvidia doesn't play nicely with the open source community. I think the firmware is encrypted so the open source drivers can't work properly without documentation or some help from nvidia.
Some of these problems are probably Nvidia problems rather than Linux problems. Nvidia doesn't care about supporting Linux for gamers, only for deep learning and other scientific/productivity applications. And they don't give a shit about the open source community so they won't release (in a legally redistributable and usable form) the firmware images necessary to make their cards minimally functional. AMD does that and if Nvidia did the same the community would be able to work around the crap closed source driver. As it is now, it's actually impossible for any open source driver to increase the clock speed of a Nvidia GPU above it's boot speed of a few hundred Mhz (as in Nvidia removed the ability of open source firmware to do so starting with the 9xx GPUs)
And I get that the user experience is what matters regardless of whose fault it is. It's just extremely frustrating that Nvidia's stubbornness and refusal to genuinely adopt open source, or at least not actively hinder it.
As another example, a lot of problems with displays can be fixed by using Wayland instead of X11, but Wayland adoption has been greatly hindered by the fact that Nvidia refused to support Wayland in the industry standard way.
BS I've been running the Nvidia binary drivers since the day they were released. There's absolutely nothing wrong with them or anything better on Linux. You don't even know why Nvidia has to release their drivers closed source so STFU about shit you have zero understanding of already.
@@1pcfred Toxic as hell. "Nvidia has to release their drivers closed source" Bull.
@Paul Frederick oh yeah? Have you tried using linux on a laptop with a nvidia gpu . It is hell.
What do you mean the Linux driver updates get fixes and features related to games. We even recently got support for extensions needed for async reprojection in VR.
The latest Nvidia driver adds support for gbm to be used with wayland.
@@gyroninjamodder it shouldn't have taken this long for nvidia to support wayland. it already works fine on AMD
If it weren't because of the GPU crisis, -and because I ended up spending all the money I was going to spend on PC upgrades in headphones,- I would be running an AMD GPU right now. Nvidia on Linux sucks in a mayor way.
Yea corona crisis sucks
That's not true. Nvidia drivers for Linux are not bad. They are just proprietary and not embedded in the kernel. Several distributions (such as Pop_OS or Manjaro) have a good management of drivers installation, and nowadays they also include Ray-Tracing and DLSS capabilites.
Tbf, I had the chance to try both cards, and decided to keep Nvidia. As much as AMD gets all the (deserved) love of the Linux community, there is no way their hardware could match Nvidia performance.
@@LordDaveTheKind Alright, maybe I was being a little too harsh. After all, I am running an 1080ti right now, and is not like my PC is bricked or anything. Everything works... except when I tried to install a GTX 980 as second card because I wanted to run my CRT from its analog port plus other monitors, but the drivers didn't like that at all and was causing me all sorts of annoying issues so I had to give up on that. In any case, I don't care anymore about having the latest performance, or ray-tracing, or DLSS (I'm suck with a 1080 after all) and I would rather have AMD in Linux than Nvidia. My sentiment comes from historical precedent of neglectfulness from Nvidia in the past. When you use their GPUs on Linux, because they gate keep with proprietary software, you're left to their mercy and they tend to neglect.
I run Nvidia on Linux with zero issues so I guess it is just you.
@@Lambda_Ovine I used to have a 1080Ti as well before. It was performing fairly good tbh. Anyway yes, there is the perception that previous models are left behind.
On the brighter note, the Nvidia Linux Beta driver released just today comes with GBM support
Nvidia X Server Settings -> X Server Display Configuration -> Advanced -> Allow G-Sync
Using an AMD GPU with the open source amdgpu drivers is so much nicer than using an Nvidia GPU. Everything JUST WORKS.
Ive had the same experience, there was a rough patch when fglrx support ended and the opensource driver wasn't quite ready (openSuSE and my radeon HD 6850) but after that every mesa version was like a brand new GPU. Until my new system which ran at top speed on 2nd try (radeon RX560) (needed a newer mesa version Just had to update the distro)
It's possible to launch a native game with Proton. So if there's audio problems or controller issues, you can add it to Steam and launch with proton. Same style of process to add to lutris if you wanted that
pfp pls
HDMI Freesync on Linux isn't a thing because HDMI isn't an open specification :( I hope the HDMI standard rots in hell and gets replaced completely by DisplayPort.
I have a 2080 TI that I really wanted to use in Linux but getting the proprietary drivers properly setup drives me to rage quit. AMD open source graphics drivers setup "just works" . The worst issue I've run into is some screen tearing which was sorted out after a couple of setting changes. I'm currently using Garuda Linux and it comes with the AMD graphics support running properly out of the gate. I may try re-installing with the TI in my system and see if it works as seamlessly as the AMD install has. I would like to play around with nvenc and gaming on the RTX 2080 ti but if it fails to work for me I can live with sticking with AMD and put the RTX back in my Windows system.
I am on Pop OS and my 2080 Ti has been working for the most part. This will be my last Nvidia card until we see better linux support.
I love how you used "just works" to describe AMD, not Nvidia
I remember when i first installed linux running into issues with my laptop's wifi driver. It was apparently proprietary. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a driver from the internet when you dont have internet
use ethernet or boot into a live environment with the drivers already installed and chroot into your system. it's not that hard lol
@@karthins3055 firstly its a oong time ago. Secondly a little hard to use an ethernet cable that you dont own
There is a toggle for gsync under the advanced options of the xscreen config in nvidia-settings.
And he will argue, how is a consumer supposed to know that lol
I appreciate the talks, but would equally love to see some actual screen display to go along with your words. As of now, I still have no real clue what Linux even looks like with whatever OS you opt for etc, how the whole deal plays out. It's like listening to an audio book that is trying to describe a movie to me. Just, a bit of visual context here and there would be great :)
If your new to Linux and you want to try stuff out just make a bootable USB and run it off the UBS stick just to get a feeling for the OS. Personally if your new just stick with Pop!_OS because in the end distro doesn't matter and pop os is the save way to go.
@@tjaytje Nah I'm not interested in trying Linux, as I have yet to find a real reason to do so in the first place - hence my comment. Some visuals of what Linux actually allows you to do/not do etc would simply be a help in informing people who aren't already actively approaching the Linux experience. I mean, their goal is to represent the average consumer, right? And rn I bet the average consumer isn't actively wanting to swap to Linux without knowing what it even is/looks like/how the ux is. Just my 2 cents as someone who is curious.
@@Real_MisterSir oke fair point, but there are more then enough video's on this platform where people can look at the different distro's and DE's.
@@tjaytje ye but I'm at Linus' vids cus I enjoy watching him and trust his approaches in general. Dont wanna vid shuffle when the potential solution is very easy. Anyways this is tbh less about me, and more about people in general who might be in a similar position. Im not here for Linux, I'm here for Linus ^^
To be fair, this is a clip from their livestream, the WAN show, so it’d be harder to have nice graphics on screen while they talked unless they planned it out ahead of time. However, they do have a bunch of videos about Linux on their channel, all of which are pretty informative.
it just me or are voices delayed?
Good eye. There's perhaps a .1 or .2 second delay...I see it too.
Very slight delay, yes.
Holly crap, now I see it.
I saw all kinds of glitches in this video. Maybe they edited it in Linux?
Thank the Nine I'm not alone, I have noticed it too. It is soo minute, I didn't quite notice it from my soundbar, but I noticed it via my headset.
3:48 love cave story! absolute gem of an indie game, would recommend!
“First game i launched was FTL” :’( god damn, this man is after my heart lol
One word. Lutris. Then run everything through proton. I'm playing AC:Valhalla at 60+fps on Arch Linux. Most games work. (80%) some need tweaking (10%) some are borked.
I've used Nvidia for the last few generations on Windows, but if/when I switch to Linux, I'm not even giving Nvidia the time of day.
It's really not that bad, i've been running a 1660 on linux with no problems. But yeah if you can switch to an amd gpu go for it!
I've used Nvidia on Linux since 1996. I started out with an MX 200. Go look up what one of those is. Nvidia was the first hardware manufacturer that ever supported Linux. Give that the time of day.
Remember friends talking about the weird nightmare issues that their GTX 980's gave them, opted to go all AMD from there and haven't regretted it a day, even better as I dump Windows for linux!
@@UNSCPILOT good luck on your Linux adventure. Your friend is wrong on Nvidia on Linux though. I've been running Nvidia on Linux since before the binary driver was even available. I ran the bin driver the day it was first released. So it is fair to say I'm pretty experienced. Let's see what I'm running today. Would you look at that?
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] (rev a2)
This is my Fourth Nvidia card I've run in Linux. I had an MX 200 MX 400 a GT 520 and this one. I'd have something else by now too but we all know what's going on in the market these days. So I'm kind of stuck with what I've got.
What I'd recommend for controller support:
Dualshock 3 (PS3) controller, plug it straight in to your desktop, don't worry about drivers, they're built in to most distro's kernel's to start with.
i keep it simple ubuntu 21.10 with nvidia 470 non-free drivers on a gtx 1660 works lovely run games good been playing swords of legends online quite a lot :)
i don't know how anybody uses ubuntu's GUI, it was my first linux experience and i almost gave up on linux because of it... until 30 seconds later i had switched over to Cinnamon and was blown away by how easy it was to accomplish.
I switched in August to Linux. I've never used it before. I started on Pop and have since moved to Manjaro. I also have an Arch install that I installed by following the Wiki. I use an Nvidia 3060ti with a Ryzen 5 3600 and 32G 3600. I haven't had any problems with games so far except Distant Worlds: Universe, but to be fair I need to install a specific Dx9 to make it work in Windows 10. If I could figure out how to utilize that version of DX I might be able to get it to work. I get ~50 more frames on 7 Days to Die compared to Windows. I get ~10 less frames on CyberPunk compared to Windows (Windows utilizing RT and DLSS). My Arch install is using the latest Nvidia Driver and Manjaro is one patch behind. My Arch install took much more effort to setup, but it wasn't too bad after installing Paru. I'm quite surprised at how well my experience is coming along. I think I will buy an AMD GPU next though if Nvidia doesn't step up. As I stated, I haven't really had any Nvidia issues, but I'm lacking features. Cyberpunk has AMD's version of DLSS and I would love to see the difference between the the two cards
Isn't the whole Linux v Nvidia clash going to be a problem. The steam hardware survey puts users at overwhelmingly owning nvidia GPUs, and if the goal from Valve and other big players is to gently introduce people to linux gaming through proton, life will be much harder bringing even a subset of those users over to linux on their desktops even if they love the steam deck environment. Should valve promote AMD GPUs?
They're already doing a great job promoting amd by making gaming viable on Linux. Many gaming cafés (? very outdated term) use windows machines with nvidia cards, and whenever they get restarted you can see nvidia and intel get a massive boost on steam hardware survey. I'm sure when proton starts working on all esports titles and it's time to get some new pcs a lot of cafés will consider switching to linux to cut costs of windows licenses and easier way to customise the OS to their needs.
You can force the Steam client to use Proton regardless of weather or not theres a native client present.
That solves the problem with the sometimes borked ports and cross platform saves, since your running the windows version.
Funny how each new version of windows bring new people to linux :)
I switched because of Vista btw :)
Love the new WAN show set. Are you using any inline pre-amp on those RE20s? Such as a Cloud CL-1 or Radial McBoost? It sounds like your interface doesn't have enough clean gain to get those mics where they need to be leaving the sound a bit thin. This is common with most interfaces, and even sound consoles, with the EV RE20 and Shure SM7B.
Reminds me of quote from from a very well known tech-youtuber saying, that you can defiantly game on Linux. but some people just wanna play games on windows and not get a second systemadmin job.
Yeah, that sounds like someone who have never used Linux before would say to appear smart.
@@DGP406 I am pretty sure Linus HAS used Linux bevor. And this video clearly proves the point. Not to mention that I, as who also used Linux, can confirm this. This sounds like someone who has used Linus for more than a web browser and some office apps throw wine and some other random Standartprogramms. This video already probably has more issues with running games than I had in the last 10 years with windows. And they haven't even used proton(Wich already is the simple solution).
There's also the philosophy about putting insecure programs like games on a secure OS defeating the purpose of packaged security. No problem with dualbooting, gaming should be done on the inescure and banking should be done on the secure.
@@Biaanca5036 there is also a thing as not wasting your time. This is completly unessary. (As you can see by the fact that our society surprisingly didn't colaps even thou 99.999% of people don't do it.) If you really want this pice of security Programm isolation is definitely enough. And any modern os has this. (Although still noone uses it. Except for. Windows 11 because it is on by default.)
As long as you are somewhat carfull and don't download randome shit there is really no need to do that in a private setting.
2:00 and it's worse when it's closed source like G-Sync
free-sync would the priority in dev time
AMD Drivers are great! MESA for the win!
Same! Its very plug n play.
back in my day, AMD was terrible on Linux and the only way to get any solid gaming performance under WINE was to use Nvidia.
@@tukuiPat ok, Boomer
@@parzival1608 you zoomers are so unoriginal it's just sad as fuck.
@@tukuiPat ok boomer
Only issue I ever really ran into was tearing on my 1080TI, that was solved with nvidia server settings. Forcing x-pipeline or something pipeline. Most solutions are pretty well documented. You just have to take the time to set it all up. Make plenty of timeshift backups. But when all else fails just setup a kvm with an additional graphics card and play on windows through Linux. performance difference is not noticeable.
likely the reason that the exotic hardware isn't working is due to no/bad drivers in the kernel version you're using, but that's not something you can easily fix on pop OS as updating the kernel manually isn't really supported well.
Regarding choppiness, I had the same issue on linux, but switching to Wayland over x11 helped fix it, even if Wayland is a bit unsupported still.
It's not a fix on Pop OS, it's using the software drivers Nvidia provides. 470 is the newest one by the looks of it, and I don't think it supports the 3000 series GPU's
Worst part by far in Linux isn't the support imo. But it changing. I've had few laptops that had ie. graphics issue, which where fixed. But in next release it got broken again. This has happened to me few times and that is what really sucks on Linux.
Nvidia's wayland support is not good
@@TauxWau nvidia's wayland support is fine. It is just xwayland that was the issue. Nvidia is finally giving in and working on a compromise probably due to valve's gamescope microcompositor.
I wish I could afford your kind of hardware setup to compare stuff, but for me Nvidia's drivers just works. I have "built" my own type 1 hypervisor from a CLI only install of Debian and then I was testing some virtual machines with two Nvidia GPU pasthrough (one for each), still no issues except for the "error 43" thing because it was before Nvidia removed that.
Yes gaming on linux is a lot better now, the thing is that “better” is relative. You don’t know how bad it was before, especially with nvidia and their bs.
Yea cutting edge support is kinda tough in linux. I kinda kept to Ubuntu+proprietary drivers/software because I just wanted everything to work rather than spending a lot of time trying to get things to work. AMD's open source drivers are better, NVIDIA's prop drivers are better. Hopefully with more people running linux, more development goes to it. That being said, Windows 11 does bring quite a few features I hope that will come to Linux (Android support, Direct access, HDR etc)
@gilkesisking Cool! Means we might see it for other distros too
I think Linux is the future, no more Apple or Microsoft bloatware.
Gsync/VRR can be turned off on the monitor OSD if you don't want to mess with config or GUI dialogues. There is a Xorg-server update coming to fix multi monitor VRR support (and other things). If you use Wayland, then maybe you deal with other new issues... (wayland causes too many issues for me to use).
I gave up on linux 12 years ago, and shit has gotten worse since.
Windows has no capability to overwrite opened files. That is why when Windows auto update launches, it takes over the computer and you have to wait for it to finish. The mandatory reboot is for one purpose only, to overwrite system files to complete the update process.
This is a huge contrast to Linux, which from day 1 is designed to enable overwriting of files even it they are currently open in a particular app. That is the reason why patching Linux don't require mandatory reboot. The pc being updated is 100% usable in Linux, the user will only feel more disk and network activity in the background.
I'm using Linux as a daily driver since 2010. Windows 2000 was the last Microsoft OS I daily drove prior to fully migrating. If you choose to switch, the biggest challenge is the Windows bias that you built mentally over the years. A completely new computer user can utilize Linux better than a veteran Windows refugee.
Switching to Linux is like abandoning your childhood religion that your parents forced fed to you and turning atheist.
My games on my linux machine run just as good as they did on windows and even better
my first gaming on linux experience was trying out a linux native port of Half Life 2 that i found on some torrent site.
The Experience was excellent for me, i was running a passively cooled budget laptop back then so it was kind of a godsent for me in that regard.
Dude, honestly for gaming on Linux - use AMD.
The difference between a company sharing its instructions with the Mesa/Xorg/etc guys vs not is something you can really feel.
I did recent benchmarking of the open source Nouveau driver versus the NVidia official driver under Linux on my i7-6800K/GTX-1060 system. Using the benchmark in HL2:Lost Coast. The Nouveau got 18fps, the NVidia got 300fps. The NVidia driver has also been my biggest problem with getting Linux distros to work on my systems.
"You with with the proprietary driver? It's a piece of crap."
*AMEN, Linus.* I don't know how people keep recommending Nvidia for Linux. Their driver sucks and the open-source driver is crippled because Nvidia doesn't care about the community. My switch to AMD earlier this year hasn't been perfect (I mean, this **is** Linux...) but its so much less annoying than what I was putting up with before.
the Nvidia proprietary driver is MILES ahead of the AMD drivers, open or closed. the problem most people have is installing the driver (needing to blacklist nouveau, kill the window manager etc, but at least the Ubuntu PPA makes it easy). AMD drivers are pretty buggy and don't support older GPUs with more advanced OpenCL features. for strictly gaming, the AMD drivers are OK. anything more, and it's a headache.
PopOS got good Nvidia drivers since System 76 sells that OS with their Nvidia work stations.
@@gsrcrxsi Installing Nvidia's drivers is a huge pain point, but I ran into many other issues. My observation has been that the proprietary Nvidia drivers offer more functionality as well as more sharp corners (SLI, Optimus, and Wayland were my particular sore spots). The bog-standard DRM/Mesa drivers have always been far less pointy for me, though they don't do quite as much. My usage doesn't push the boundary too far (only rarely fire up games or compute tasks) so it could very well be that the pain tables turn at some point.
I've been running the Nvidia binary driver since the day it was released and it's been reliable for me. Well the first couple months of betas were a little patchy but that was over 20 years ago. So I would definitely recommend Nvidia as the most stable and highest performing graphics adapter on Linux right now. We'll see what Intel can do with Arc. But right now that's vaporware.
@@jigpu2630 Nvidia does not support Wayland at all. So big surprise that does not work. Wayland is a POS. Not Nvidia's fault. Maybe Wayland should try harder to support Nvidia? Nvidia supporting Linux is charity. They make no money doing it. So we should be grateful for whatever we get.
I really want to go to linux, but I don't want to miss out of dlss and raytracing. Are those things possible?
Dlss is already nearly working, and raytracing is w.i.p if I recall. With nvidia I generally always recommend to always stick with the Nvidia vulkan beta drivers. That is where all of the fixes show up first
Yes it is. It's also possible to utilize FSR with raytracing irrespective of the game having built in support or not if it's run through vulkan via an FSHack patched wine. I personally use this approach along with a few other postprocessing effects for better color in vkbasalt.
i ran diablo II resurrected good on lutris running bnet inside it :)
New Manjaro user here, but all distros I've tried have the same issue: I cannot get either my USB Xbox controller or Bluetooth/Wireless Xbox controller to work reliably. Bluetooth functionality, in particular, is janky as hell...when/if I can get my (recently-firmware-updated) Xbox controller to pair (and that's a huge if), then it frequently disconnects and will never connect again until I reboot.
Both controllers work perfectly on the exact same PC running off a Windows 10 drive. Same USB port for dongle.
Aight so you guys tried nvidia and did not use proton. Anthony will have to take a session now lol
linux gaming user here :) i use steam, uplay and origin. no issues with either uplay and origin is through lutris but its straight forward, all i can say is just make sure wine is up to date allong with your gpu drivers and dxvk and you really shouldnt have much issues.
the only thing im personally missing is no cod warzone, but im happy to live without, any questions ill be more than happy to try and help
You're Canadian; you should know that nouveau is just the French word for new.
He's an english canadian. Most of those don't speak nor understand one word of french. There aren't that many Canadians outside Québec or New Brunswick that can understand our language and the rest will expect you to speak to them in english only despite not being willing to do the same in return. If you're not from Canada, you're probably unaware of the constant discrimination by anglophones towards francophones of any province, more so towards Qc as we are the only province with a majority of french speakers. The country really isn't as bilingual as you may think, i'll just leave it at that.
@@gustru2078 I'm Canadian (anglophone). I hated French throughout school and quit as soon as I could (after grade 9), and I still know enough to (at least sort of) pronounce French words and say a few basic phrases. To be fair I live in ON right next to QC, so we have a lot more French influence than Vancouver does, but still.
I still remember the week I had to spend using Linux Mint many years ago, honestly it was a pain because allot of the software I wanted to run was only available in source (such as Alephone/Marathon) and I kept getting dependency or compile errors.
On Windows all I had to do was download the binary.
Even in Uni, the tutor’s demo code required me to switch to CentOS because of compile errors.
All you had to do was install the dev packages. Dep resolution is easy.
@@1pcfred When you’re having to go through multiple dependencies, with multiples versions, on sometimes additional repos, it can quickly feel annoying.
Especially when:
1) On Windows I’d have been in the middle of playing my game by the time I’m done with just dealing with the dependencies
2) It still doesn’t compile
4 videos in a minute? bruh.
Also, good news!
:-)
Arent they both running pop-os?
The drivers should be installed and working pretty flawlessly out of the box. (If u pick the nvidia version which includes the drivers and uses X11 instead of wayland)
Including the refreshrate should be working ootb.
The game issues with cut-out frames / half resolutions / snapping to another screen .... is pretty much the expirience everytime I tried gaming on linux.
afaik they didnt tell us their distro yet
also this might be the case for most setups but linus passes all his I/O through thunderbolt wich makes it a lot more complicated
@@user-hx7dc9uz6s true, I cant wait for the video :p
I know Linus is using KDE, but I don't think they've mentioned their distros yet
oh shit, Linus likes Cave Story? sick!
Can we see a full video of Linus fully setting up Linux with full details?
Linus needs to stream his playing games on Linux! That would help those of us who have been doing it for years to help him debug.
This doesn't represent the normal user experience for most people so would miss half the point of the series
Yes he definitely should do all his Linux gaming live.
Linus want to sort it out himself. He doesn't want help from others.
@@kajoma1782 yeah I guess it would be hard not to read the chat and their 1000 suggestions
I am confused, are the linux challenge videos releases? I cant find them...
LOL! Linus, your system is literally globally unique! Why even bother testing Linux on it? Grab a common laptop and do it!
Linux on laptops isnt all that great either if you dont know what youre doing
Stream's lack of cross-platform cloud saves is why I play most native linux games using proton since I play many games on both my laptop and desktop.
Im surprised they haven't gone with an AMD gpu for being on linux. My understanding is that the drivers are better...
Work on that understanding some.
You are entirely correct. AMD GPUs works so much. Use the open-source drivers and you are good to go. Nvidia does not work as well, however I guess they want to test worst-case user experience
Yeah I tried to do this a couple years ago and talk about a PITFA!!
I was a diehard win7 and refused to go to win10.then they stopped win7 updates ,so I tried to switch to Linux but omg hell no.that experience caused me to Actually enjoy and Appreciate win10 and all the work Microsoft does on it..
It's "nouveau". It's a French word, and it's pronounced "noo-vo." You _are_ Canadian, right?
Exactly what I was thinking lol.
You can run the Windows version of a Linux native game on Steam if you have issues with the Linux native version.
I use linux as daily driver but I wouldn't dare combining nvidia and "linux gaming".
Well then it is good he tries.
If you cannot run the most popular brand on Linux the distro is worth nothing.
And I do not care if it is NVIDIAs fault or the fault of Santa Clause. If I use an OS I expect it to work properly without fiddeling around.
@@1337Jogi configuration is your responsibility. That means some fiddling around is required.
@@1337Jogi Its pretty simple actually. If you want to run incompatible hardware. Linux isn't for you. Honestly I don't of any OS on planet that runs with incompatible hardware properly.
@@herbertwestiron To have incompatible mainstream hardware in the first place is like a huge fail on the Linux side.
It is more the other way around.
I don't know any hardware that would run properly on a faulty OS.
@@1337Jogi How do say its a mainstream hardware for linux? Its also not the other way around because softwares runs on hardware not other way around. Ever tried running mac os on your pc? Oh how about dos with nvidia gpu? Your argument doesn't even make sense. The os that's not designend to run nvidia will not run nvidia not matter what you say. You don't want to use the os because of that, understandable. However what you are saying is OS 'failed' because it won't run on your casio watch that doesn't make sense in the slightest. The kernel creator literally showed birds to nvidia and you want it to run properly? Do you think before typing?
Nvidia proprietary drivers don't play nice with a lot of Linux software but it's still the best out there for the cards. In my experience, choosing the right combination of desktop environment and compositor makes a huge difference for how snappy Linux feels when displaying content and moving windows around. I had to figure all that out and switch software a few times when I was gifted a Nvidia GPU last week. I settled on Manjaro + xfce (desktop environment), using the compositor built into xfce + a few tweaks to the Nvidia and xfce configuration files to make compatibility better.
I thought xfce would seem old and retro looking. But with a themed plank dock, a DE reskin, and some new icon packs it's looking like a spiced up macOS
It is the software that has to play nice with the driver, not the other way around.
me: plays forza.
linux: no.
On god I've had the exact opposite experience, Nvidia on PopOS with the Nvidia driver gave me no issues everything ran fine and DaVinci Resolve worked fine out the box. Then my 1060 died and I had to swap to an R9 380 and it has been an absolute nightmare since then. My refresh rate is all fucked, DaVinci Resolve no longer starts up anymore, and now I have this problem where if I boot up my PC with all three monitors plugged in I will only get picture on one of them and need to reboot with one plugged in then plug in the other two once I'm into my desktop environment
Yeah, Nvidia on Linux is an absolute pain
You're an absolute pain.
What edition of Linux are you guys using? Been working with Pop! OS for a while and it's pretty good. Still some issues with the NVidea driver though.
(on the subject of adjusting graphics settings)
Windows: Oh no there's control panel and settings it'll confuse users
Linux using a separate application for each setting, keeping half the settings behind shell anyways: Let me introduce myself
For me linux was much more unified, at least with my kde setup, although graphics drivers were a mess
I just start up the nvidia-settings utility.
I'm a bit of an odd one. When I switched over to Linux to see how well it'd pan out over a year ago, what I didn't expect was that getting each of my games running the way I wanted them to took me nearly a week. What I also didn't expect was that I had more fun getting them working in such an unconventional setup than I did actually playing them. Once all my games were running the way I wanted them to run, I was bored because the challenge was gone and there was nothing left to figure out. It still amazes me that I'm able to play each and every one of my Windows games on a Linux operating system, though to be fair I don't play many anti-cheat games, and the ones that I do offer the ability to play offline without it, like Conan: Exiles.
Of course most people aren't like me and the above is an example of why I had no issue sticking to Linux only for all this time. It's not like it's stupidly difficult like trying to install certain distributions from the 90s, but switching to Linux as a Windows gamer is a bit trickier than for someone who uses mostly Internet or office applications. Definitely doable and not as hard as one might think, but there are still some pitfalls to watch out for.
that proves that nvidia does not give a damm about linux and amd does!
That's not true. We might have got some new features like Ray-Tracing or DLSS at same time as Windows users, but it works perfectly now. Their collaboration with the Linux community has been less continuous than AMD maybe, but it is a complex matter for a big company.
I don't understand, for me it's VERY rare to have a bug like that, on my hardware (a laptop with intel/nvidia), these errors happen more often on windows than on linux