How To Get Cancelled.
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 21 май 2023
- Welcome back to The Jaws of Victory, this week we're discussing THE DOWNFALL. Myself and my producer Jenny May Finn get stuck into the topic of when artists fall from grace and their reputation destroyed. This is often referred to as being cancelled, but it’s a little more nuanced. Why and how does this happen and how do you avoid it? Jenny May proceeds to test me to see if she can trap me and instigate my DOWNFALL. Did I pass?
Follow me @justinhawkinsta and @jennymayfinn on Instagram if you like!
The JHRA Merch Is Out Now! thejawsofvictory.com/
My Patrons get 10% off of all merch. I also post un-released songs, demos and guitar tutorials on my Patreon: www.patreon.com/jushawk
Justin Hawkins Rides Again...The Podcast. You can listen on Apple Podcast, Spotify etc: open.spotify.com/show/0hQYjIw...
#musicpodcast #justinhawkins #musicbusiness 
Развлечения
I have an anti cancellation story about you Justin! When I was about 15, I had a friend with a fake ID and inattentive parents, who used to wangle her way into clubs and other places she was too young to be. She ran into you around that time, in a club in Stoke, after the Darkness had played Keele student union. She was a bit surprised I think, that you pretty much immediately clocked she was underage, before gently suggesting that she should probably go home and apparently checking if she had enough cash for a taxi. I know that's just normal, decent person behaviour, but I will always be glad that you looked out for my mate in that particular moment. You're a good egg, in a world full of rotters.
When I was sixteen, I was at a Motley Crue concert, and they sent a guy out into the crowds to look for girls, my two friends and I were picked out, but the guy lost us in the crowd. We cried about it back then, because we were young and stupid. Today, I'm happy about it. Such a difference in behavior... I mean, difference between Justin and Motley Crue!
@@MariaFrancesca Honestly, as an adult my blood runs cold at some of the things we thought were a good idea as teenagers. ❤️
@@ZuzuTheLemon Definitely. It had its perks, being a teenager, but goodness is it a time I don't want back! 🙂
@@ZuzuTheLemon lol, makes me wonder how I ever survived at times. Wouldn’t change a thing! 😂
This is an awesome story!
You’re lucky to have Jenny in your corner. Despite her initial reticence about appearing in these videos her savviness and down to earth nature is the perfect complement for your personality.
Are you saying Justin is incompetent and egotistical? Joking of course.
Seconding this. She’s a very welcome presence.
The Growlers hired a male stripper, who is the one who assaulted the singer. It was the stripper, not the lead singer, but everything else is true...the filming, the laughing. I believe a couple of other bands on that label had touchy feely problems too. This was an amazing and intelligent discussion, and you have aced the media training and remain, as ever, non-cancelled. Jenny you make an excellent devil's advocate, you really prodded Justin. It was very, very good. Be proud of yourselves!
yea was just about to say
.One other note...the record label that arranged the tour eventually went out of business because of that incident and others by their artists.
@@TheSquidgal Yep! Good riddance.
Having the occasional recurring co-host in your podcast really has become one of the regular segments I look forward on this channel. You can absolutely tell Jenny and you have worked together for a long time and are friends but her energy and personality is so different to yours, which is what you want... having people too similar to each other and agreeing on everything is boring.
Shouting “Oh no, DOWNFALL!” after a fuckup could be a solid interview strategy - try it out next time you get the chance!
It's so Donald Trump.
Jenny's sense of humour is really coming out and I'm here for it. I loved this episode So much. 🙌🏻
I love Jenny, she has been to me the great discovership!
She has a great sense of humour and I'm over there for it
Jenny is just what this channel needs.
"That's Marxist bullshit! Are you some kind of hippie?" Hysterically funny. Jenny had you by the short hairs in this episode. Well done.
These long form shows with Justin and Jenny May (the JJs) are now my favorite thing on RUclips! Keep’em comin’!👍
Yay!
Agreed
Loved this whole conversation. The two of you are a force to be reckoned with!
Yes, yes, yes... haven't even started the video yet, but as others have already mentioned: Mondays With Justin & Jenny are just about my favorite way to start the week!
This!
At the start of covid lockdown, while working on the frontline, i got a cameo from Justin where i basically overshared about using his last name when i transitioned and got the sweetest response welcoming me to the family.
Heard a few lovely stories about him and it's always nice when someone you looked up to for so long seems to be a lovely person
My goodness this was scintillating. And Jenny was hilarious! She played that Devil’s Advocate role brilliantly. Yous are the best duo since campfires & marshmallows. Thank you!
Thank you so much J!
Guests from the music trade are all very well but WE WANT JENNY!
She’s seems very nice but not exactly the most outgoing of people. Some might say not overwhelmingly charismatic.
@@supertuscans9512 Seems perfectly charismatic to me.
Mmmmmmmmm - each to their own but personally I can’t envisage her ever fronting a rock band or something similar.
Seems perfectly pleasant though.
Fronting a rockband isnt the only version of charisma. Is this version of me the same as the version of me on stage is it? Same with all performers, it’s a performance. We play specific roles depending on the context and scenario.
❤ Love Jenny! She’s so adorable, even when she seems shy or awkward it just makes her even more endearing 😊
This one was one of the best conversations, so far, and that says a lot, because they've all been very good.
PROTECT THESE TWO AT ALL COSTS, WORLD ✊! Another 10/10 chat by the dynamic duo, well done!!
Very well said, I totally agree
The lip balm and microphone fondling that occurs during the open marriage discussion is hilarious
Here's a super thanks to you, Justin, for saying "yeah, a little bit, sometimes" at 22:11 - you're the best! This pod made me laugh so hard, loving the positivity
Thanks again Eva!
I love the organic way the conversation unfolds, including the "tributaries". My favorite thang on YT.
Justin Fucking Hawkins Rides Againnnnn!!! 🎶🎶🎶🎸
This conversation was hilarious. I don’t think I will see any celebrity putting a foot wrong now without shouting “DOWNFALL!” 😂😂😂
"A rotating tambola of ass-clownery" feels like it should be on merch.
Best thing about Monday: another JHRA long-form installment! Yay!
Excellent episode & content. Open & honest. Jenny was on fire with the Devil's Advocacy. Great camaraderie & trust between the pair of you.
Love these long form videos! Infact, I had the pleasure of accosting the positively Elven Jenny May Finn last week at the station and told her that myself! Best regards from Suffolk, MLDR5
If Justin ever has a downfall, he can have a trustfall with Jenny knowing she will catch him. She’s the type who would find a way to fix it. Thankfully, I don’t think Justin can get cancelled- the media might try, but us fans know Justin better and will never cancel him. ❤
Fab episode. Love Jenny’s paranoia lol.
Great convo that couldn’t have happened unless she was willing to be devil’s advocate… Jenny makes these ones better than the celeb ones. :)
I agree. I don't think we'd get this type of conversations with anyone else than Jenny. The celeb talks is a treat, so much fun, but it's these talks I truly look forward to.
He should honestly do what Conan O'Brien does with his producer on his podcast and have Jenny as an active participant on the interviews for occasional side-comments.
I love how she seems so cute and reserved, but she's really a badass
100%!
Yaaay! I look so forward to these podcasts you 2!!! Here we go🥰Listening....
I did that thing where you dip your biscuit in your brew and let it go too floppy and as it fell in (before I knew what was happening) I heard myself shouting _partial down fall!_ (womp womp).
sympathy for your loss 😔
Excellent back and forth. Thanks!
Loved this 100% agree on the Billionaires issue
Odd opinion. Elon, for example, has thrown multiple billions at SpaceX to get it where it is now. SpaceX is a true advancement of the achievements of mankind. If Elon was restricted by government to only ever having one billion then SpaceX wouldn’t even exist. It’s an utterly moronic approach to appropriate private wealth just because others are jealous.
And one to you, Jenny - you're bloody hilarious and such a treat! I love the way you're so unimpressed by Justin, haha! Everyone should have a JMF in their lives. Keep rocking!
Thanks so much Eva!
That was excellent, great work by both of you.
Loved it , totally enjoyed the vibe and energy from both of you. Jenny being tamed in style but stingy and to the point in the content of the questions trying not to get phased by Justin’s responses and Justin trying “not too hard” to avoid the downfall
Funny and clever
JMF is always absolutely charming. Not just in this episode, but she often tries to force things out of you justin, and it's all brilliant. I'm here for it.
Thanks for that Justin. I really enjoy these chats. Time to go run now
Wonderful thank you Justin sending love from South Africa 🇿🇦
Thanks! I just really wanted Jenny to know that she did a fantastic job in helping you to see where you might have weaknesses, if any, when talking to reporters. Anyone can see that she did not like asking most of the questions she had to ask you. There are too many what we call, vultures out there, ready to expose anyone in the public eye. You really did an amazing job with the majority of her questions. I know it doesn't mean much, but I was really impressed with your answers and how well Jenny knew the right questions to ask.
I hunt for these long form videos you do with jenny may finn. Your discussions and insights are so interesting 👍
This is my fav episode so far. Nice one Justin and Jenny! 🎶😃
I still have to finish to watch it, but i have to do a little pause to work. Before to go, i will say, you're brilliant today Justin and Jenny 😊. In spite the machine to sign the downfall is on fire 😂... Very funny!
LOVED it as always! The best chemistry you 2. Lol a little bit...yeah sometimes Justin?🥰😍
I'm with you, Jus. I'm skeptical too. I think there shouldn't be billionaires either. The CEO of the company I work for earns the amount I make in a year but per minute
(Edit: using a proper calculator, the amount is every 8 min aprox., perhaps we settle in 10 min? It's utterly nonsense).
Who is that, Daddy Warbucks?
Per minute? That’s obscene.
I'm sorry, I didn't calculate when posting. I now calculated it and it's every 8 min. I'm laughing but, idk, maybe I should be crying. It's so "no common sense" it's ridiculous
This is exactly why unions exist😅 It sounds like they are generating ridiculous profits
based on your work efforts, without sharing all the rewards equally. Sorry, didn’t mean to make you feel sadder😅
@@SpaceFairyness it's ok, I'm not sad. But it makes me a bit mad 😅. I think modern neoliberal corporations do not consider their employees as "investment" but rather "unavoidable spending". They must so happy and eager to start replacing us with AIs....
This is just epic... you are constantly brilliant! Cheers dude.
This is very funny, please more segments like this one.
This made me smile all the way through!
Compulsive viewing ( as are all your videos ) and Jenny is awesome..By far my new fav utube channel. ❤
I finally have watched it in complete, and my verdict about your test Justin.....🎉🎉🎉 Exam passed with the best score. And Jenny, i want you like interviewer of polititians. You did wonderful questions, you didn't forget any important issue... You are perfection girl!
I really enjoyed the interview, and i liked very much your political point of views Justin. You are great musician, composer, singer, guitarrist, songwriter, stylish man ... And now i discover that you are a great person (acording your ideas). I liked you before to watch this episode, but after the test you won't ever be cancelled for me.
Great episode, i'm going to share it in all my accounts ❤❤❤❤
Great ep guys! Just wanted to put my 2c in. Hugh Grant and George Michael are two celebs that both owned their downfall and seemed to do well in spite of/because of it.
Both those cases involved consensual sex between adults though, it was just a bit seedy. It wasn't rape culture or borderline paedophilia.
Great video 😂 and love your humor.
So funny! Love Justins chats, finding him just so charismatic at the moment 😍😛
Really loved this podcast today with The Double J’s…Justin, you easily passed the test & Jenny most definitely held her own playing devil’s advocate😂 ❤ Media scrutiny must be insufferable. For the most part, I think we all say things that come out wrong or have bad days and those in the public eye are no different.
I look forward every fortnight to these chats - you guys are the perfect combo, I love the laughter & winter lip balm👏🏻 Until the next fortnight❤
Jenny's personality is so lovely. Her smile always brightens my day.
Most entertaining, If you add a "I have nothing to live for" with a white silhouette of her face 'Jenny t shirt' to the merch store, I'll make a purchase... 👍🏼
Love these podcasts so much. Makes my night shift go by a lot faster. Very much enjoy Hawkins' Alan Partridge-isms, intended or not. Thank you so much! Will be buying a t-shirt on my next pay...
Glad you like!
Brilliant!
You should do a podcast with Russel!
LMAO in 17:34 with the choppy sounds🤣
I wonder the same question as you, Jenny in 53:02 (I don't understand it🤷🏻♀️).
Brilliant episode!👍Very few people could have discussed about so controversial issues in such funny way 🫶😊
yes yes YES!! another fabulous episode
I am addicted to Justin Hawkins Rides Again podcast. Fucking great.
Brilliant and despite the usual sarcasm and satire additions this just pushed the point that anyone can downfall, it's not jhst celebrities, it can happen to anyone anywhere... differences in opinion should just be that, why do we need to follow or cancel someone out just because we might not agree with them!
Agree completely, Faye! I wonder if fear of sharing an unpopular opinion prevents healthy discussion and potential growth and resolution.
@Sierra Sample I agree with you. Its sad to think in a world full of enterprise and advancement, we do not feel we can communicate with others by sharing our own thoughts without some sort of backlash. That fear of loosing friends and family stops us from being able to share views alot, I believe those in the spotlight should be able to have their own private lives, with beliefs and opinions and these should not affect their following. The world would be a boring place if we all liked and believed in the same things, albeit wars would not be around if we did all have an identical view point. I agree with downfall and cancel culture in respect of criminal activity in any stance, but basing that culture on opinion, the world needs to grow up.
Hey Justin, you're a good looking bloke but producer Jenny steals the show everytime. Intelligent and great accent. DOWNFAAALLLL.
I really enjoy Jenny. Glad her humor is starting to show. She is obviously incredibly intelligent. And she is very pretty 😍. But you can tell dhe has a bit of anxiety and I know how horrible that can be. Id be just as nervous if it was me. But she is doing a great job.
Jenny is a breath of fresh air, cracking podcast.
Thanks for watching!
Over muscled people burn more oxygen, so can tire quicker. See A.J the boxer v Andy Ruiz first time around.
Jenny is so smart. Her mind seems to run at warp speed.
Justin, you seem so well adjusted. Is this just an act?
That was my "Downfall" question.
Nice one! No "downfall"!
You definitely passed, Justin! I think it’s incredibly hard to fail though when someone has intelligent, well reasoned and compassionate opinions. Especially if it’s clear that the person has considered both sides of the argument and come to their own conclusions.
I think it’s when people offer views on the extreme ends of the spectrum that they get “cancelled” or find their downfall. It doesn’t just alienate the opposition in that case but those who sit in the middle as well. Not all debates are as clear cut as right vs wrong or good vs evil. The fairest solution can usually be found somewhere in the middle. Or occasionally in a different direction entirely.
You did great Jenny! I was getting secondhand anxiety imagining being in your position for this episode! I’d have been terrified of getting “cancelled” by Justin let alone anyone else, despite it being a game! 😅 Don’t know how you did it, but love that you did! 😁🥰😊
You are un-cancel-able because you don’t care what the people that don’t matter-media hacks, those who need their idols to be in lockstep with their own opinions etc.-think of you. AND Saying you don’t vote means you are a very intelligent person. You are so right about politicians. A downfall sound effect machine needs to be part of all your interviews! ❤😂
Justin, can you even vote in Switzerland? I know you moved there last year, most likely to get away from England's crazy taxation. Or was it the people? You can live here in the USA and in a lot of places , like here, where nobody will bother you. We respect you ( I do, anyway). But Switzerland has the best health care in the world, or so I'm told. Is it true?
I love these conversations
Jenny is such a wonderful interviewer. If I was in Justin's seat, I would be sweating buckets. Totally agree with Justin in that one should just themselves regardless of what people think.
Well, in France, they had to downgrade Fireman physical tests, in order for women to be able to get in. In a situation where you have to carry a body out of a fire, you might prefer a physical competent person, in order to be saved...
absolutely loved this !!
Wasn't he supposed to be separated?
Best podcast ever! Congratulations!
Passed 100% percent so much so I have shared this to my Facebook page
It was during my early 40s when i fist heard the darkness and was very impressed with the sound off the band. I like it because it has songs that sounded very classic which is my favourite genre right from the 80s. Thought here in India these realeases usually arrives late unless it is a megha hit . Will surely get and listen to Motorheart 2021 release. 🤟
I’m looking forward to the spin-off channel, JMF INTERROGATES
I think the conversations between you and Jenny are among the top of my favourite things on RUclips, keep it going!
Funniest podcast yet IMO Justin. Rock on!
This whole episode was hilarious i love the downfall gag i think it's brilliant.
I love this.
Great show and jenny is awesome
This lady is absolutely unhinged 😂😂😂 This was funny and enlightening
Also- multi-billionaires shouldn’t exist, it’s immoral while there are so many poor, starving people. Jeff Bezos doesn’t work $130+billion times harder or longer than his employees, that’s profit he could be sharing but he chooses no to. Also- having basic human empathy shouldn’t be controversial actually 🤷🏻♀️ keep rocking!👏🏻✨
Also, Bezos ex wife got so much money because she was instrumental in building Amazon when they just started the company AND she gives a significant amount of that to charity. Unlike Bezos. I live in Washington State and we don't have state income taxes so Bezos and Gates don't even have to pay our state that.
put in a mathematical equation: downfall is inversely proportional to net worth divided by the industry revenue collection plus legal fees minus estimated cultural relevance.
So happy that you got a proper mic for Jenny! It is much easier to hear what she is saying now.
Passed with flying colours as far as I could tell 👍
Pretty sure Jenny is screwed though 😆
Nah, she did a great job testing you. Great podcast.
THIS PRODUCER IS JUST CHARMING A NATURAL WIT. YOUR LUCKY SHE'S IN YOUR CORNER
Jenny May Finn was awesome in causing your downfall multiple times.
Having industry insiders is all well and good, but we want more of the Justin and Jenny show.
Or maybe you can have celebs come on the podcast and both of you grill them together, and possibly cause a downfall or two.
We are witnessing young love blossoming here.
OH NO DOWNFALL needs to be on a t-shirt.
This episode had me in tears of laughter.
Love this episode ❤JMF is the bomb 💖💣
That was very interesting. All one can do is do the best one can to be the best one can be
This was an excellent episode. Jenny May was astounding in her drive and manner in which she held her attack of questioning.. Calm, to the point.. I wholeheartedly agree that there is no climate crisis, Justin, you need to do your research and listen to climate scientists not in the pay of govts. Our planet is doing what it has always done, demonising CO2 is ridiculous, it is the gas of life, without it we and all life is dead. Jenny May was amazing, thank you for an incredible podcast.
this is great. you say a lot without saying anything. the mental gymnastics are fun to behold.
I'm listening right now to a certain title by a certain group ("open fire" the darkness), and Justin is such a pure singer and performer, and a real good guitarist... there is nothing else to say, sir;-))
Thoroughly enjoyed this. Master Wordsmith sparring, loved it.
"I don't know. I wasn't paying attention." That might have been my favorite quote, I'm going to start using that for all political questions.
I only recently subscribed.Since then i have been binge watching as much as I can 😊I was never a fan of The Darkness.That being Said I love Justin's humour and personality. No big ego or arrogance!! I am loving and laughing at these streams.
Maybe you should listen to more of The Darkness, then! I've followed them since PTL in 2003 or 4. Finding a band that appeals to people over age 50 is amazing in the USA! I'll be 60 in September.
Trump was indicted on 49 counts by the federal government today...... he'll walk. And run for president again, though the lack of popularity will likely do him in. But Trump can still run next year unless he's convicted on one of the charges dropped today.
Many men have said that women shouldn't be in combat because we're "too vicious". We are stronger than your gender, Justin. Mentally we're tougher and stronger and more resilient in spades! We are tough, if we want to be. My adult life has been difficult to say the least, and I expect it to get worse this next election year. If Trump wins, the USA is ****ed!
That was a generality and I shouldn't have said it.
@@tracywilliamson4275
Comment didn't age well, Dementia Joe is taking us into WW3.
I believe Trump wants peace.
I was listening to Götterdämmerung, Act III: Sigfried's Funeral March during this podcast, a fitting send off for any cancelled, downfallen star.
24:00 Oooh comedians are frequently obliterated due to jokes. However, Justin, you are splendid and lovely therefore you are golden ✨️ no downfall hehe! Xx
I just sold my 1989 Hamer with Sustainic & I thought it would be great with your singing abilities. Sustainiac & you could hold & bend all the notes you want all day long. My next project is to take a Strat knockoff & place the center pickup next to the bridge pickup. No need for coil taps & all is controlled by the 5 way switch. I'm going to cut the pickup guard so I can move the pickup fore & aft for different tones. WooHoo!!!
It's just a rotating tombola of arse-clownery 😂