Couldn't be happier with my 7950X. Absolute monster, no issues whatsoever driving my orchestral template. I can load hundreds of VSL, Spitfire, Orchestral Tools instruments, along with MIR Pro 3D, and tons of plugins, all without breaking a sweat. I haven't even seen it push past 60% usage, which is incredible. I had a 13900KF for a while but it gave me nothing but headaches with Cubase. Switching to AMD was the best decision I made, especially after the news of Intel CPUs degrading.
Do you have any problems with MIDI? I remember somebody said that AMD CPU didn’t handle midi very well. I want to build a pc. I’m wanna buy the new 9950x
@@bjornark The 5700G is only $163 US now: "8 Cores and 16 processing threads, bundled with the AMD Wraith Stealth cooler 4.6 GHz Max Boost, unlocked for overclocking, 20 MB cache, DDR4-3200 support." And only 65W. The most expensive option is not always the best option.
@@bjornark Really amazing for what it is...I have 32GB of RAM and 3TB of storage in the box. Price was less than $1K. I am also intrigued by the Mini PCs that are out there now from companies like BeeLink, GeekOm, Minisforum, etc. The offer quite a bit in a small package.
I just went through a nightmare of stability issues and crashes with an i9 13900K. It was replaced by Intel under warranty but I sold it and switched to an AMD 7950X3D and Asus Proart x670E motherboard. I've had zero problems since. It works perfect with my Universal Audio Apollo x8 interface via USB4/Thunderbolt and my RME Fireface UFX II via USB. My second recording system is an Intel i7 12700K and MSI MEG ACE Z690 with another Apollo x8 and it also works great, no issues. So, in my experience, the cutoff for Intel reliability and stability is the 12th gen; or just stick with AMD.
Are you using the UAD Apollo that is specifically designed for windows ? Because I know UAD made interfaces specifically for windows after people had so many issues. Correct me if I’m wrong I’m just curious because I also want to use Apollo on windows, but I want to be able to use it with a Mac as well if I ever need to
Hey Bjornar, great video as always. Also glad that I went for a mac for music production/audio engineering, and left the windows desktop for gaming purposes. Also Your videos helped me decide what mac to get. Big thanks to you, and your fellow youtubers for your efforts.
I'm on a Ryzen 5900 (12c/24T) and it's quiet and fast. With a 300 track orchestra template I'm barely pushing it. Honestly I don't think CPU power or rather speed is the problem nowadays. I feel far more limited by RAM and storage. Considering prices for SSDs, I've been dreading to upgrade my storage, but I guess it's going to be time soon.
Happy with my 14600k. It is better than 9700X and I am happy with the video editing and audio production workflow. In future, I will definitely go for power efficiency whenever possible.
My current DAW is based on a AM4, B450, 5700X. Quiet, cool, still has 16 potent Zen 3 threads. I'm sticking with this and not moving any time soon, because I see no reason to risk either of the more modern platforms.
same here , except b550 rog strix. 32gb ram, nvme's. the 5700x is a monster of a cpu. i'm glad i didn't go with the (great) 5600x nor the (bit warm) 5800x. i'm running it static oc all core ratio 45 @ 1.19v. 5700x rulez !
The thing to note about early observations of the Intel microcode fix is that it appears to force idle behaviours at points. That could be really bad for us, since there are so many power-saving features that can wreck an audio enthusiast's fun and there are so many fixes for our issues that involve raising minimum performance, stopping USB sleep states, etc. I wouldn't think twice and just buy AMD CPUs right now, although as you say something from the 7000s is almost certainly a better buy than the 9000s unless the 9900/9950s turn out to be especially great.
7800x3D is mainly for gaming that does fair for productivity. If you're going mostly for productivity, might as well get the 7900x/7700x for cheap. Or wait what the higher zen 5 has to offer.
Hi Bjørnar, I like your videos👍 I go for an i9 12900K on a z790 chipset board with 32GB Ram ddr 5. Ableton live 12 runs stable so far. I think its enough power for music production in 2024. I used a really stable system with an i7 6700K for the last 10 years. The new system makes a big difference in performance. ✌️
Hi. I'm planning to upgrade my PC. I have a question about choosing a platform. I want to make no mistake in choosing the right platform. Now I have Intel 2500k :). I plan to take the top solution for all tasks, be it games or writing music. Are there any problems with the AMD platform for writing music, for example in FL Studio?
I didn't even think I would consider it, but I think I already made up my mind - I will buy a Mac next time now as there is easy and fast disk enclosures that are easy to add via Thunderbolt.
I was thinking 9 7900 BUT there is security issues with AMD- sinkhole. Then everyone has issues with ALL the motherboards. Should I just wait until next year? Seems today they are expensive (parts- microcenter) and all seem to have various issues. I use reaper and neural plug ins for recording about 10 tracks. I would hold off on the graphics card since it is onboard. That would help with heat too. Good audio codec would help. Open to suggestions please.
@@bjornark Nah. Terrible chip- very hot and X3d was a fail says everyone in the forums. The 7900 is slower but runs very cool. Thanks though. What MOBO do you like with the 9 7XXX?
@@buzzfunk It is certainly fast but with speed and performance is a tradeoff. I don't want to sit next to a heater all day. 7900 is much slower, but cool and quite. I prioritize those things. It is still plenty fast for my mostly multi-tasking needs. If you are a gamer, there are much better options.
Hey Bjørnar! I've been running a 5800X @ 4.4 GHz, 32GB RAM, B550M-PLUS for about 3 years, and now got a Macbook Pro M3 18gb RAM with 1TB. Honestly both handle my music production pretty freaking good. IDK about this BIOS update. Is it a security mitigation, like Meltdown and Spectre that screwed all CPUs? I might just not update haha.
I think I grabbed the last sane intel laptop piece from the market in 2020. It's HP Omen 15 i7 9750H 2.6Ghz with 32GB RAM and it's been working excellent in almost 5 years now. Then, I witnessed Intel's decline gradually by the many folks who reported tons of issues with music production. I think I am gonna stick to my Omen for another 5 years.
I think the M4 ultra Mac Studio will be the king of all kings for music production, but I’m not dropping 8 thousand on that. I need to decide between the 9950x or core 9 285k. I wish someone could make a direct comparison for them
Hey man. Thanks for your videos, you should have more subscribers! I use reaper and my next machine will be a Mac but can't decide between M3 Pro and M3 Max, or wait for M4... In your experience which is best? Taking into account that I produce mostly metal with orchestral elements, so 80 tracks with several virtual instruments. Reddit seems to think the M3 Pro is better but with 36gb memory.
Thanks for watching! :) Get the one you can afford. Focus on getting as much performance cores as you can. See this sheet I made showing an CPU overview: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aE26YSvGKCQ8H1KKLglbyQHihSUaJSsKtVAraHYZgj8/edit?usp=sharing
Just built my first PC for music. I was able to pick up a used AMD 7950x for $300 USD and couldn’t be happier! It’s also nice knowing that the AMD AM5 socket will be supported for at least another 3 years. Also picking up a 96gb RAM kit is so much cheaper than what Apple charges, but you can’t deny Apple’s MacBooks perform incredibly.
The nice thing about the new AMD processors is that they run cold and have almost half the power draw of the previous generation at the same performance levels or more. For me as a forward thinking individual I think it’s an amazing achievement, and will closely follow their next releases. While I would love to build a PC due to my new wish for portability I’m gravitating towards a M4 Max that hopefully releases later this year, after my amazing experience with the iPad Pro M4 (amazing feeling piece of engineering) With sidecar that would make a very good dual screen portable setup that is expandable (iPad with cellular for most tasks and the Macbook Pro for advanced DAW duties) Thinking of the 128gb of ram as well so I can have multiple instances of Kontakt running for orcheastral cues and at least 2TB for storage so the life of the internal SSD is longer (at the price for that machine I’m looking for at least 5 years of intensive work). I still can’t believe you can actually have a portable workstation that can run on batteries
@@bjornark That would be definitely cool, you could maybe have a RME AIO card in there. The only downside is that the Mac Pro is really really expensive for what it is and it offers little benefits in my view compared to a Mac Studio (apart from the aforementioned PCIE lanes)
@@wasabi333 if you don t have 100 pages of web browsing and a fully orchestrated song at the same time you should be fine with 18. 32 would be good *with some freezing here and there, and 64 you would start to not care so much about ram. At 128 it’s in ready to fire fully loaded Orchestral Template territory
There are already many similar warning like this about Intel for music production PC in some well-known forums, like Gearspace. Buyer should be careful today and learn as much as possible before decide
A huge problem is dpc latency and driver interupts on modern systems. Its so garbage on both amd and intel. Some motherboards play ball better than others and some cpus do as well. Its annoying and unexceptable to me.
Merging Technologies has a solution regarding DPC: install the OS on CSM/Legacy boot However, if you want to RAID your drive or using Windows 11, Merging's trick won't work at all since you need to install your OS on UEFI mode (and enabling Secure boot and TPM 2.0 for Windows 11)
The most think, I also want to build but I gonna just wait. Because intel need to fix the issue, amd is good choice BUT, as you see am3 to am5 they just improve the IPC but the core count still the same 6(ryzen 5)- 8(ryzen 7) - 12-16 for ryzen 9. Last with over 10 years. Sometimes it still hard to choose If I gonna need pc right now I will go for amd. But I want to they have more core/single performance even IPC
Thanks for the info. I'm planning to build a new music production pc. I'm on a budget so do you think an AMD Ryzen 7 78003D could suit my needs ? I need something strong enough to record my album. I don't think I will go over 40 tracks on the most complex project with let's say between 3 and 5 plugins on each track. Almost 20 tracks recorded (bass, guitars, drums and vocals) other tracks will be a mix of synths and orchestral midi tracks. In case that cpu is not enough wich one do you recommand at the lowest price that could handle the job ? Thanks in advance.
Thanks for watching! You need to get the best performing CPU that fits your budget. The 7800 3D is definitely not a bad choice, but if its able to run your projects without freezing I have no idea. You are probably stretching it. Depends on how heavy your plugins are.
@@tylerwmbass The X vs X3D situation is so weird for me. I make music, I use Blender, and I enjoy games, so on balance I should get the X3D I guess, but I don't understand why the same numbered X chips are so much better in Blender than the X3Ds. It's a sizeable margin, too.
@@joechapman8208 The X series can run with more power and higher clocks, the X3D chips benefit a specific subset of applications that benefit from a larger cache when compared with higher clock speeds (games, virtual instruments)
The hardware is not it's the fine tuning between DAW, Windows and drivers to find the right fit is a life's work. Actually, the operating system only needs to give DAWs
I play keyboards live with a pure VST setup. I have a 20 years experience... It is possible to build good audio workstations with Windows machines and intel processors... But it must be a matched mix of peripherals with well written drivers. Perfect examples are NUC machines. The thing becomes a nightmare with laptops. I bought 3 years ago an 11th generation i7 14-inch laptop considered extremely powerful (MSI gaming machine). It never worked after hundreds of driver updates and exchanges. LatencyMon was awful, and audio had unacceptable hiccups. Thermal protection is terrific on compact laptops, no way to tweak BIOS to avoid protections. Newer generations are even worse. I had to join the dark side of the force and buy a MacBookPro. They are evil but audio performance on stage is simply perfect...
On stage and with travels Macs are literally the industry standard in audio as far as I understand. I can certainly understand why, you do not want to tinker with drivers and settings when you are up there. It just has to work straight away.
@@bjornark I am an electronic engineer with some programming experience but when I play as a musician I want to lose time on music, not on faulty drivers...
@@furiobisotti8150 I don't think i've ever had audio driver issues on my mac or pc. They both simply work. The pc is a bit more stable overall, but I think that's as much to do with it is more powerful and so isn't hitting cpu saturation or dsp limits.
I just rebuilt my AMD-based system originally built about five years ago. It was based on an AMD Ryzen 5 2600X. It has been a rock-solid machine since day one. About a year ago, though, I decided to purchase an Intel-based laptop with an Intel i9-13900H. Needless to say, performance was not as hoped. In fact, it was no better than the old, AMD Ryzen 5 desktop. With the recent issues with the 13th and 14th generation CPUs, I decided to upgrade the desktop, and chose a 7900X -- by the numbers, it''s a little better performer than the 7850-series. I can't recommend the 7900X highly enough for a Windows-based music production system. I have a general tendency to not buy the absolute most-recent tech devices until they've had some time in the real world to prove themselves -- I haven't money or time to throw away on stuff that's not going to work. When I build the 2600X-based system, the 3600 had already been released, but had only been out for a couple of months. Of course, there are exceptions, but they're generally purchases made for fairly specific reasons. The performance with the Ryzen 7900X chip has thus far been really quite impressive. (Shameless plug follows) I did touch on the performance issues I had with the i9 and unveiled the upgraded AMD system briefly in the most recent live streams on my channel. Cheers.
Very good points, thanks for sharing. I agree with not necessarily going for the newest tech but instead "battle tested" stuff that has been on the market for a while and gotten their kinks sorted out. Leave that for people like me so I can report on it here. ;)
People have been making music on all kinds of computers forever. They all have thier pros and cons. Please dont buy into the fantasy that tech will replace or enhance creativity. It wont and as this video shows, it makes it worse. Intel, AMD are fine. Apple have thier fair share of problems not mentioned here such as Sequoia crashing, no expansion, peripheral compatibility problems etc
@@bjornark October, apparently. M4 MacMini should be released then, and maybe M4 Pro. should be easily good enough for plenty of audio tracks, softsynths and effects.
I use both. The intel when I want speed and power, the M2 ultra when there's audio software not available for the PC. Apple silicon isn't the powerhouses claimed either, the Intel smokes the M2 in pretty much every DAWBench and of course the very top AMDs are now smoking the Intels for audio.
Yeah, no thanks. AMD doesn't have anything in the price range that I got my 13700k. If you're buying an Intel chip right now you're perfectly fine. You can change things in the bios to avoid the degradation and instability. You don't even need the microcode. Edit: I've read a lot about this, watched every video, read hundreds of comments. The only people recommending you jump to AMD right now are gamers with 7800x3d. As a content creator why would I listen to them. Most of them are young gamers anyway. People that actually know what they're talking about are not telling people to go to amd. They are simply saying to be cautious about Intel at the moment.
Will you be looking into Snapdragon ARM chips by any chance? There's a Lenovo Yoga Slim 7x w/32gb RAM, 1TB SSD custom build for $1,341. I really wanted to get it to try it out, but now I'm thinking about getting a MAC M3 for use with Reaper. I will also be trying Logic Pro X if I get Apple. BUT, I am used to using Windows my entire life.
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Couldn't be happier with my 7950X. Absolute monster, no issues whatsoever driving my orchestral template. I can load hundreds of VSL, Spitfire, Orchestral Tools instruments, along with MIR Pro 3D, and tons of plugins, all without breaking a sweat. I haven't even seen it push past 60% usage, which is incredible. I had a 13900KF for a while but it gave me nothing but headaches with Cubase. Switching to AMD was the best decision I made, especially after the news of Intel CPUs degrading.
Do you have any problems with MIDI? I remember somebody said that AMD CPU didn’t handle midi very well. I want to build a pc. I’m wanna buy the new 9950x
That's interesting. Do you mind if I ask what motherboard and ram are you using with this CPU? Thanks!
Any issues with ram memory? I heard somewhere that AMD couldn't get as high as 128 ram or is that not an issue?
I have been using a Ryzen 5700G 8-core system for a while with plenty of RAM and storage. Cheap and I am very happy!
Sounds good! :)
@@bjornark The 5700G is only $163 US now: "8 Cores and 16 processing threads, bundled with the AMD Wraith Stealth cooler 4.6 GHz Max Boost, unlocked for overclocking, 20 MB cache, DDR4-3200 support." And only 65W. The most expensive option is not always the best option.
Thats a good value!
@@bjornark Really amazing for what it is...I have 32GB of RAM and 3TB of storage in the box. Price was less than $1K. I am also intrigued by the Mini PCs that are out there now from companies like BeeLink, GeekOm, Minisforum, etc. The offer quite a bit in a small package.
@@TonyThomas10000 What DAW are You Using For your Music Production?
I just went through a nightmare of stability issues and crashes with an i9 13900K. It was replaced by Intel under warranty but I sold it and switched to an AMD 7950X3D and Asus Proart x670E motherboard. I've had zero problems since. It works perfect with my Universal Audio Apollo x8 interface via USB4/Thunderbolt and my RME Fireface UFX II via USB. My second recording system is an Intel i7 12700K and MSI MEG ACE Z690 with another Apollo x8 and it also works great, no issues. So, in my experience, the cutoff for Intel reliability and stability is the 12th gen; or just stick with AMD.
Are you using the UAD Apollo that is specifically designed for windows ? Because I know UAD made interfaces specifically for windows after people had so many issues. Correct me if I’m wrong I’m just curious because I also want to use Apollo on windows, but I want to be able to use it with a Mac as well if I ever need to
Hey Bjornar, great video as always.
Also glad that I went for a mac for music production/audio engineering, and left the windows desktop for gaming purposes.
Also Your videos helped me decide what mac to get. Big thanks to you, and your fellow youtubers for your efforts.
Thanks for watching. Awesome that it helps somewhat as well. Take care. :)
I'm on a Ryzen 5900 (12c/24T) and it's quiet and fast. With a 300 track orchestra template I'm barely pushing it. Honestly I don't think CPU power or rather speed is the problem nowadays. I feel far more limited by RAM and storage. Considering prices for SSDs, I've been dreading to upgrade my storage, but I guess it's going to be time soon.
Happy with my 14600k. It is better than 9700X and I am happy with the video editing and audio production workflow. In future, I will definitely go for power efficiency whenever possible.
My current DAW is based on a AM4, B450, 5700X. Quiet, cool, still has 16 potent Zen 3 threads. I'm sticking with this and not moving any time soon, because I see no reason to risk either of the more modern platforms.
same here , except b550 rog strix. 32gb ram, nvme's. the 5700x is a monster of a cpu. i'm glad i didn't go with the (great) 5600x nor the (bit warm) 5800x. i'm running it static oc all core ratio 45 @ 1.19v. 5700x rulez !
YOU ROCK.....
Thanks! :D
The thing to note about early observations of the Intel microcode fix is that it appears to force idle behaviours at points. That could be really bad for us, since there are so many power-saving features that can wreck an audio enthusiast's fun and there are so many fixes for our issues that involve raising minimum performance, stopping USB sleep states, etc. I wouldn't think twice and just buy AMD CPUs right now, although as you say something from the 7000s is almost certainly a better buy than the 9000s unless the 9900/9950s turn out to be especially great.
7800x3D is mainly for gaming that does fair for productivity. If you're going mostly for productivity, might as well get the 7900x/7700x for cheap. Or wait what the higher zen 5 has to offer.
The 7900x is the sweetspot for music production.
Hi Bjørnar,
I like your videos👍
I go for an i9 12900K on a z790 chipset board with 32GB Ram ddr 5. Ableton live 12 runs stable so far. I think its enough power for music production in 2024. I used a really stable system with an i7 6700K for the last 10 years. The new system makes a big difference in performance.
✌️
Hi. I'm planning to upgrade my PC. I have a question about choosing a platform. I want to make no mistake in choosing the right platform. Now I have Intel 2500k :). I plan to take the top solution for all tasks, be it games or writing music. Are there any problems with the AMD platform for writing music, for example in FL Studio?
The new AMD CPUs have had issues with iLok. But i believe that is solved now with new BIOS updates.
@@bjornark Hi, can you tell me if it's worth switching from the 7950X to the M4 Pro chip, will the M4 be more productive and stable?
I didn't even think I would consider it, but I think I already made up my mind - I will buy a Mac next time now as there is easy and fast disk enclosures that are easy to add via Thunderbolt.
Sensible choice, adding external and fast SSDs are pretty easy and much cheaper than getting it directly from Apple.
@@bjornark Bad thing is they usually only go like 900mbps, right? I think that's a port limitation, or am I wrong?
Nope! You can get cheap TB enclosures on Amazon and get around 3000+ MB/s! ruclips.net/video/7cLFnmn_Gus/видео.html
Have you had a chance to see if Intel ultra core 5 or 7 would be a good choice for music production?
I was thinking 9 7900 BUT there is security issues with AMD- sinkhole. Then everyone has issues with ALL the motherboards. Should I just wait until next year? Seems today they are expensive (parts- microcenter) and all seem to have various issues. I use reaper and neural plug ins for recording about 10 tracks. I would hold off on the graphics card since it is onboard. That would help with heat too. Good audio codec would help. Open to suggestions please.
Maybe get a used 7950X? X3D?
@@bjornark Nah. Terrible chip- very hot and X3d was a fail says everyone in the forums. The 7900 is slower but runs very cool. Thanks though. What MOBO do you like with the 9 7XXX?
@@MOAB-UT lol nah nah? What forums are you talking about? the 7950x isnt a terrible chip.
@@buzzfunk It is certainly fast but with speed and performance is a tradeoff. I don't want to sit next to a heater all day. 7900 is much slower, but cool and quite. I prioritize those things. It is still plenty fast for my mostly multi-tasking needs. If you are a gamer, there are much better options.
Hey Bjørnar!
I've been running a 5800X @ 4.4 GHz, 32GB RAM, B550M-PLUS for about 3 years, and now got a Macbook Pro M3 18gb RAM with 1TB.
Honestly both handle my music production pretty freaking good.
IDK about this BIOS update.
Is it a security mitigation, like Meltdown and Spectre that screwed all CPUs?
I might just not update haha.
Awesome, the BIOS update for Intel motherboards & CPUs wont affect performance (apparently). Like Meltdown and Spectre did.
My laptop got noise comes in it i dont know where it comes from.,it gets in audio durng recrdng😴
Make sure you have grounded outlets, use good quality cables etc. Ground loop errors can be hard to troubleshoot :/
Research on dpc latency. It is a very common problem on windows laptops.
I think I grabbed the last sane intel laptop piece from the market in 2020. It's HP Omen 15 i7 9750H 2.6Ghz with 32GB RAM and it's been working excellent in almost 5 years now. Then, I witnessed Intel's decline gradually by the many folks who reported tons of issues with music production. I think I am gonna stick to my Omen for another 5 years.
I think the M4 ultra Mac Studio will be the king of all kings for music production, but I’m not dropping 8 thousand on that. I need to decide between the 9950x or core 9 285k. I wish someone could make a direct comparison for them
The new Mac Studio M4 will be a powerhouse for sure. But probably too expensive for most people.
Hey man. Thanks for your videos, you should have more subscribers! I use reaper and my next machine will be a Mac but can't decide between M3 Pro and M3 Max, or wait for M4... In your experience which is best? Taking into account that I produce mostly metal with orchestral elements, so 80 tracks with several virtual instruments. Reddit seems to think the M3 Pro is better but with 36gb memory.
Thanks for watching! :) Get the one you can afford. Focus on getting as much performance cores as you can. See this sheet I made showing an CPU overview: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aE26YSvGKCQ8H1KKLglbyQHihSUaJSsKtVAraHYZgj8/edit?usp=sharing
@@bjornark Thanks! The spreadsheet is really helpful!
I went with PRO, bc 14 inch, so less battery, and more heating.
@@wasabi333 how's it holding up for your projects? Too much heat you say?
Does Anyone has Problems with UAD Interfaces or Plugins while having an AMD CPU ?
Yeah looks like UAD is a no go on 9series AMD CPUs at the moment.
Just built my first PC for music. I was able to pick up a used AMD 7950x for $300 USD and couldn’t be happier! It’s also nice knowing that the AMD AM5 socket will be supported for at least another 3 years. Also picking up a 96gb RAM kit is so much cheaper than what Apple charges, but you can’t deny Apple’s MacBooks perform incredibly.
Awesome, 7950x is what I have in my PC. Although i use the Mac. For now.
The nice thing about the new AMD processors is that they run cold and have almost half the power draw of the previous generation at the same performance levels or more.
For me as a forward thinking individual I think it’s an amazing achievement, and will closely follow their next releases.
While I would love to build a PC due to my new wish for portability I’m gravitating towards a M4 Max that hopefully releases later this year, after my amazing experience with the iPad Pro M4 (amazing feeling piece of engineering)
With sidecar that would make a very good dual screen portable setup that is expandable (iPad with cellular for most tasks and the Macbook Pro for advanced DAW duties)
Thinking of the 128gb of ram as well so I can have multiple instances of Kontakt running for orcheastral cues and at least 2TB for storage so the life of the internal SSD is longer (at the price for that machine I’m looking for at least 5 years of intensive work).
I still can’t believe you can actually have a portable workstation that can run on batteries
The Macs from Apple are great for sure. It will be interesting to see if they make a massive desktop / Mac Studio based on the M4.
@@bjornark That would be definitely cool, you could maybe have a RME AIO card in there. The only downside is that the Mac Pro is really really expensive for what it is and it offers little benefits in my view compared to a Mac Studio (apart from the aforementioned PCIE lanes)
LOL, me here with 18gb and 1tb.
@@wasabi333 if you don t have 100 pages of web browsing and a fully orchestrated song at the same time you should be fine with 18.
32 would be good *with some freezing here and there, and 64 you would start to not care so much about ram.
At 128 it’s in ready to fire fully loaded Orchestral Template territory
@@ModulerDrone Haha, crazy stuff.
I'm a simple Electronic Music Producer. But an honor to speak with people who make crazy stuff.
There are already many similar warning like this about Intel for music production PC in some well-known forums, like Gearspace. Buyer should be careful today and learn as much as possible before decide
Yes, that is true.
A huge problem is dpc latency and driver interupts on modern systems. Its so garbage on both amd and intel. Some motherboards play ball better than others and some cpus do as well. Its annoying and unexceptable to me.
Merging Technologies has a solution regarding DPC: install the OS on CSM/Legacy boot
However, if you want to RAID your drive or using Windows 11, Merging's trick won't work at all since you need to install your OS on UEFI mode (and enabling Secure boot and TPM 2.0 for Windows 11)
Can you test the new 9950x for ableton when it gets released?
At some point, probably. Not sure when exactly.
The most think, I also want to build but I gonna just wait. Because intel need to fix the issue, amd is good choice BUT, as you see am3 to am5 they just improve the IPC but the core count still the same 6(ryzen 5)- 8(ryzen 7) - 12-16 for ryzen 9. Last with over 10 years. Sometimes it still hard to choose If I gonna need pc right now I will go for amd. But I want to they have more core/single performance even IPC
Thanks for the info. I'm planning to build a new music production pc. I'm on a budget so do you think an AMD Ryzen 7 78003D could suit my needs ? I need something strong enough to record my album. I don't think I will go over 40 tracks on the most complex project with let's say between 3 and 5 plugins on each track. Almost 20 tracks recorded (bass, guitars, drums and vocals) other tracks will be a mix of synths and orchestral midi tracks. In case that cpu is not enough wich one do you recommand at the lowest price that could handle the job ? Thanks in advance.
Thanks for watching! You need to get the best performing CPU that fits your budget. The 7800 3D is definitely not a bad choice, but if its able to run your projects without freezing I have no idea. You are probably stretching it. Depends on how heavy your plugins are.
For working in very low latencies- The X3D chips benefit virtual instrument performance compared to the X chips which handle DSP better.
@@tylerwmbass The X vs X3D situation is so weird for me. I make music, I use Blender, and I enjoy games, so on balance I should get the X3D I guess, but I don't understand why the same numbered X chips are so much better in Blender than the X3Ds. It's a sizeable margin, too.
@@joechapman8208 The X series can run with more power and higher clocks, the X3D chips benefit a specific subset of applications that benefit from a larger cache when compared with higher clock speeds (games, virtual instruments)
@@tylerwmbass Thanks! I guess there's always a chance Blender may change their code to address that cache in the future.
The hardware is not it's the fine tuning between DAW, Windows and drivers to find the right fit is a life's work. Actually, the operating system only needs to give DAWs
I play keyboards live with a pure VST setup. I have a 20 years experience... It is possible to build good audio workstations with Windows machines and intel processors... But it must be a matched mix of peripherals with well written drivers. Perfect examples are NUC machines.
The thing becomes a nightmare with laptops. I bought 3 years ago an 11th generation i7 14-inch laptop considered extremely powerful (MSI gaming machine). It never worked after hundreds of driver updates and exchanges. LatencyMon was awful, and audio had unacceptable hiccups.
Thermal protection is terrific on compact laptops, no way to tweak BIOS to avoid protections. Newer generations are even worse.
I had to join the dark side of the force and buy a MacBookPro. They are evil but audio performance on stage is simply perfect...
On stage and with travels Macs are literally the industry standard in audio as far as I understand. I can certainly understand why, you do not want to tinker with drivers and settings when you are up there. It just has to work straight away.
@@bjornark I am an electronic engineer with some programming experience but when I play as a musician I want to lose time on music, not on faulty drivers...
Same.
So accurate.
@@furiobisotti8150 I don't think i've ever had audio driver issues on my mac or pc. They both simply work. The pc is a bit more stable overall, but I think that's as much to do with it is more powerful and so isn't hitting cpu saturation or dsp limits.
@@SamHocking You are the luckiest man in the world
Bad Marketing and bad PR is a disease.
I just rebuilt my AMD-based system originally built about five years ago. It was based on an AMD Ryzen 5 2600X. It has been a rock-solid machine since day one. About a year ago, though, I decided to purchase an Intel-based laptop with an Intel i9-13900H. Needless to say, performance was not as hoped. In fact, it was no better than the old, AMD Ryzen 5 desktop. With the recent issues with the 13th and 14th generation CPUs, I decided to upgrade the desktop, and chose a 7900X -- by the numbers, it''s a little better performer than the 7850-series. I can't recommend the 7900X highly enough for a Windows-based music production system.
I have a general tendency to not buy the absolute most-recent tech devices until they've had some time in the real world to prove themselves -- I haven't money or time to throw away on stuff that's not going to work. When I build the 2600X-based system, the 3600 had already been released, but had only been out for a couple of months. Of course, there are exceptions, but they're generally purchases made for fairly specific reasons.
The performance with the Ryzen 7900X chip has thus far been really quite impressive. (Shameless plug follows) I did touch on the performance issues I had with the i9 and unveiled the upgraded AMD system briefly in the most recent live streams on my channel.
Cheers.
Very good points, thanks for sharing. I agree with not necessarily going for the newest tech but instead "battle tested" stuff that has been on the market for a while and gotten their kinks sorted out. Leave that for people like me so I can report on it here. ;)
14700kf is amazing in fl studio cpu ,
Thats awesome!
People have been making music on all kinds of computers forever. They all have thier pros and cons. Please dont buy into the fantasy that tech will replace or enhance creativity. It wont and as this video shows, it makes it worse. Intel, AMD are fine. Apple have thier fair share of problems not mentioned here such as Sequoia crashing, no expansion, peripheral compatibility problems etc
So I guess Mac Studio then. Got it!!
Hopefully something based on the M4 comes soon?
@@bjornark October, apparently. M4 MacMini should be released then, and maybe M4 Pro. should be easily good enough for plenty of audio tracks, softsynths and effects.
After the new microcode update Intel is safe
For now
Apple Silicon
I use both. The intel when I want speed and power, the M2 ultra when there's audio software not available for the PC. Apple silicon isn't the powerhouses claimed either, the Intel smokes the M2 in pretty much every DAWBench and of course the very top AMDs are now smoking the Intels for audio.
If you could reply to my previous comment I would be very happy.
Yeah, no thanks.
AMD doesn't have anything in the price range that I got my 13700k. If you're buying an Intel chip right now you're perfectly fine. You can change things in the bios to avoid the degradation and instability. You don't even need the microcode.
Edit:
I've read a lot about this, watched every video, read hundreds of comments. The only people recommending you jump to AMD right now are gamers with 7800x3d. As a content creator why would I listen to them. Most of them are young gamers anyway. People that actually know what they're talking about are not telling people to go to amd. They are simply saying to be cautious about Intel at the moment.
If the fix makes Intel stable long term its good for everyone. Lets hope so.
Just buy a Mac
That also works
Will you be looking into Snapdragon ARM chips by any chance? There's a Lenovo Yoga Slim 7x w/32gb RAM, 1TB SSD custom build for $1,341. I really wanted to get it to try it out, but now I'm thinking about getting a MAC M3 for use with Reaper. I will also be trying Logic Pro X if I get Apple. BUT, I am used to using Windows my entire life.