Overview of AIMS Power 10kw 48VDC to 120/240VAC Split Phase Pure Sine Inverter
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- A quick overview of the AIMS PICOGLF10KW48V240VS 10,000w inverter. Includes overview of inside as well :)
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Is a big comparison of how is made. This one lookes beefed up on the transformers. And wire selections. It got me hooked on getting one. Thanks for opening it up to see the big difference.
Aims makes BEAST inverters. I'm looking at the 4000 watt, 48v unit for my start-up solar system.
I just got one of the new redesigned Power Jack 8000w LF split phase inverters and I highly recommend it. Power jack is improving and this inverter is a beast.
Can you do a test for me? I'm curious if you turn it on with no load connected, what is the idle power consumption from the battery?
@@LithiumSolar sure, i will try to get that for you tonight
@@LithiumSolar 1.1 amps . I have the 12v version and my battery bank is float charging at 14v so it uses about 15.4 watts idle.
@@kjjosker Idle consumption is 150 watts , and with power saver mode on its 35 watts . yours running at 12 volts will be a bit higher. If your only idle is 15.4 watts , then you do not have a 10,000 watt split phase inverter.
That is a sick inverter!
I have been using one of these for about 5 years.
Im looking for one for off grid home i have. To save fuel and run time on my generators. Will this run a few window units.
looks clean inside, looks solid inside.
It's rock solid, quality is definitely there. Can't tell from the video but the boards are even conformally-coated to protect against moist environments.
Lug bars are nickel coated copper. Not steel. Getting my Aims shortly.
I bought a Sigineer inverter that looked suspiciously similar. I did some digging found out Sigineer makes inverters for multiple brands. You should check out the Sigineer web site. They mostly seem to prefer to just be the OEM supplier, but will sell direct from China to US retail customers.
I believe Sigineer is the upstream provider but the inverters are not identical inside. Sigineer lies about UL listings then when I questioned it, told me I could get it UL tested myself. I will never support or promote a deceptive company like that. Thanks for the info though.
Pump input has something to do with the initial inrush current at pump start up.
Loke at page 22 in the manual on AINS homepage for the unit.
I think the 12 kw has toroidal transformers and that's why it can handle 36kw surge so cleanly. The pump is for a 5 HP well pump and it's mainly for 110v indoor centrifugal pumps. Most Chinese inverters have square transformers which require a 3rd transformer to take some of the hit of AC units when the transfer switch is activated.
the pump output has a inductor in line to assist in the surge capacity to start large pumps 5hp and larger. the inductor stores energy on start up and releases the energy to start large well pumps and AC units
Correct. It would be nice though if the users manual actually explained this. There is absolutely zero information on it in the documentation...!
The third (small) transformer is for battery charging.
Found in an Amazon review of another inverter in this range, what the "pump input" is. It's an unfused 240V output that runs 24/7 for a water pump. Apparently not powerful enough to run a well pump, which earlier units could do. Not sure what use it is without knowing it's power output, perhaps you could test it with various loads and see at what point the AC voltage drops.
I actually found that the manual for the 12kW inverter explains the pump input. I'm not sure why it was left out of the 10kW inverter manual. It suggests only using it if the main inverter output is not powerful enough to start the well pump. You can find the manual for the 12kW model here www.aimscorp.net/documents/ETL8K12K%2010072019.pdf :)
@@LithiumSolar it's a pump output not input. It's not labeled correctly as input. The extra transformer provides extra inductance for pumps which won't run right on the main output. The extra inductance I believe cleans up the harmonics on the output waveform resulting in smoother operation with highly inductive loads like ac motors.
@@loosecannon124 Motors do take more power for start up. but wells do have capacitors to help with start up. So who knows I'm looking at buying a 10,000 watt but I don't like the small lugs for the power out put and the tiny little screw heads, How can you get a good tight connection with a little tiny screw driver.
I know the electronic power and motherboard of this unit, and bought this in China a couple of years ago in the 12 and 24 volt version, so without the transformers. The transformers are the problem and give to much zero load consumption. I saw this in a second video of this unit, the zero load is about 175 watts, witch is to high. About 60 to 75 watts or less for a unit this size is possible. The small transformer is a choke, a induction coil. I think the power pack is to small for 10000 watts, and also the connection to the battery is to light, and shoud be 100% copper. I think the power pack is good for about 5k watts no more. Try to find a good transformer disigned for sinewave inverters 48 volts no more than 5 kwatts inprove the battery connection, and may be it will run for a while, but this is poorly disigned, and will fail at 10000 watts.
It has been 6 years. I am looking at purchasing on of these for our off grid build. How many solar panels and what additional equipment is necessary to supply power for a 50 Amp RV service? Thanks for posting your video!
I think the "Pump Input" is for a float switch to turn on the inverter to allow a sump pump to run off the inverter that may normally be switched off. But that is only a guess on my part.
It's connected to a separate transformer and puts out 230v. As others suggested, I think it's for powering the pump since it requires a higher current to start. The label should be something other than "Input" to make it more clear...
The latest manual now calls it "Pump Output" and adds this: 230Vac (Only for water pumps)
Cool, thanks! They've been making a lot of updates recently. It's good to see a manufacturer constantly improving their product.
@@LithiumSolar Great, but it should have been correct at first go. How well does this company know its own product ..... ?
@@migsvensurfing6310 knowing their product is probably not the problem it's knowing English. And knowing technical English is a lot harder than knowing conversational. And this is a product from what is still an emerging country technically. It's part of the reason the price is as low as it is. Qualified technical writers are not cheap. That said more people soak English in China than in the US. China is trying hard to overtake the US industrially and technically. We are getting our collective asses kicked in the US. I worked at 7 different manufacturing plants. Probably 14,000 good paying job if added together everyone of those middle class jobs are give now. Every plant is now closed. I left manufacturing 18 years ago and in that time they all closed. NAFTA was terrible for American workers.
Great video!
Just for reference, I paid right around $1750 for each Magnum PAE4840, or $3500 for the pair, plus another $320 for the 'router' that's required to make them shake-hands. So call it $4000. I considered the Aims 12,000 watt Split Phase, and I would have saved about $900, but the LBCO adjustment (in 'battery priority') only allows the voltage to go down to 42V (10.5 x 4), not low enough for a 48 V nominal lithium battery set up, although, would work, you're just leaving about 1/6th of your battery capacity on the table. When i spoke with AIM's engineering, I asked why they didn't have a digital controller that would allow you to make fine, broad adjustments and if I recall, the guy said they had plans for one. Does the digital display on your unit allow for anything more in the way of adjustments ? I'd consider one of these as a back up, esp now that I have a ton more solar up and could cover the 2+ Kwhs a day it takes just to keep this thing breathing :-) -- and 2 Kwhs may not even be true, depending on the results of your "upcoming test"... LOL
Hi Mark. I'm thinking to buy one PAE4840. How yours are doing? I just blowed up some APC units i have, they just blown off without reasons and i want something more reliable now. Looks like the magnum's are the best inverters we can get right now.
It goes down to 40V (10.0 x 4). The 42V (10.5 x 4) is just where the alarm starts sounding letting you know the battery bank is low. It beeps and a red light comes on, but it continues to operate fine.
@@MM-yn9ni AIMS devices are ETL instead of UL which follows the exact same criteria - just FYI
there's an electrical connection between the ground AC input and the grounding electrode terminal
Is that what the green jumper does that's on the AC input/output block?
I recently had a Aims Power Pure Sine Wave Inverter worked on at their facility in Sparks NV. The customer service was the worst. I don't recommend Aims because of the lack of customer service or technical support.
How is working this inverter? i have AIMS 24vdc 3000 watts inverter that i buy on 2018 but now stop working.
Cut and paste from the Aims manual:
**The pump output will only be used when a pump struggles to operate smoothly when connected to the
primary AC output of the inverter. This output has an additional inline transformer for added inductance and
is less efficient than the primary AC output terminal block. Do not use this output if the pump operates
normally when connected to the primary AC output. Batteries will discharge faster when connected to the
pump output.
Yeah it's in there now. It wasn't noted anywhere when I first bought this and created this video lol. Thanks though :)
I like toroidal transformers better. Why did they use traditional ones?
I keep hearing people say they have much better efficiency. I don't know much about them beyond that. If I can ever get my hands on one big enough, I'd be curious to try replacing it and see what happens ;)
Much easier to manufacture and mount to the chassis ;-).
Thanks for the video, I've been very interested in the AIMS inverters and seeing inside the unit (in this overview video) is nice to see they used decent hardware. If you don't mind me asking, how did you find this "damaged" unit? Did you monitor Amazon everyday or something?
Awesome! I'm looking forward to more videos testing the unit. :)
how do you cropped up in amazon, because you made a good deal
I checked Amazon daily for months. It showed up under "Amazon Warehouse Deals".
Usually the warranty. Is a good indicator of the expected lifespan.
Looks like they mislabled the pump output as an input. In the manual that I'm looking at online, it's just another 240V output but says Only for water pumps. Not sure why it has another transformer dedicated to it. Perhaps it's to prevent the current onrush when starting a motor from affecting the other output?
This is a question from Japan Where is the product purchased from, for example, a website? Please tell me the site address. Please tell me the price Thank you.
Hi. The company website is www.aimscorp.net/. It's a US company though, not sure if/how the logistic would work for shipping to Japan.
I'm curious what the output looks like on a scope. You can make a little voltage divider to drop the voltage to a safe to use voltage. If you have an oscilloscope.
I don't have an oscilloscope unfortunately.
@@LithiumSolar When I first found out that you can get a really decent Rigol for ~$300 I immediately ordered one. But I do electronics stuff like ham radio as a hobby so it was easy to decide. I still can't get over what you get for your money compared to when I worked at bell labs back in the '80s. Those days you could spend many thousands for less.
Do you think a 7000 watt AIMS modified will run a well pump in emergencies? found one for $700 off. Or would it be best to wait and get a whole house inverter. I'm confused about how "bad" a modified wave is for motors.
The modified sine will have trouble starting any inductive loads, such as motors, compressors, etc. Even if it does start, the motor/compressor is going to make noise and run hot. They will work perfectly fine for lights, anything with a switching power supply, etc. If you're going to invest, I would definitely recommend investing in the pure-sine - this is coming from someone who had to replace a LOT of hardware because of not buying the right stuff the first time around.
@@LithiumSolar Thanks man, I been watching your vids and I seen your posts on FB. I have about 15KwH of 18650s and am ready to buy a real gridtie inverter.
@@LithiumSolar Kweld or sunco for spot welding?
I use the Sunkko 709AD 220V spot welder and love it. I don't think there is anything wrong with the kWeld, I just haven't used one personally to be able to make a fair comparison.
Q- can you run a freezer or warmer on a food truck?
You can probably run 10 freezers on this inverter... That said, this video is rather old and there are better choices for inverters on the market now. I'm not sure I would recommend this particular model any longer.
Can I use a power recirculation to get back on the 220V input? I do not want to consume current from the counter. May ?
Hi from Kenya, how much is the inverter circuit board
I don't remember how much I paid, it was so long ago. AIMS customer support can give you a quote for your specific part number if you need.
I need your help. With an inverter like this.
it has been more than 4 months how your inverter is doing
Still doing great. It's been in production for a few months now. I've tested the microwave and washing machine - starts both without any issue. Once it's tied in to the transfer switch, I'll be able to test heavier loads, such as my 5500W cloths drier :)
Yep, it runs the cloths dryer just fine. Zero heating issues. In fact, it runs much cooler with the dryer load because that kicks on the fans (fans turn on based on load percentages). I also ran dryer and air conditioning at the same time several times over the summer with no issues. That was a combined 8000w load when the compressor is on. I'll be doing some more heavy load testing in the spring and put out a few videos.
@DIY Projects
That is the future apliances that are more efficient
Good video
I have a Aims 10000 watt power inverter. The inverter is hooked up with a 48 Volt battery supply primary to the house with consumers power as back up power .
the problem I come across is that the 240 volt supply from the converter does not have enough power to run a 240 volt A/C water heater. I have a fuse which is a 600 volt dc resettable one from amazon . this fuse is after the battery primary going into the AIMS inverter. when I turn on the water heater it will run for a short period of time then I will blow the fuse which is in between the battery and my inverter
far as I can figure the water heater probe should pull 18.8 amps which I would figure the power inverter should run. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Why use Chinese branded circuit breakers? These are rated at 50Hz.
Interesting, I never noticed - they do say 50Hz on them. That's just what it came with. I have another disconnect breaker downstream anyway - standard homeline brand.
Please can you help me with the comprehensive circuit diagram
I'm not sure where to obtain that from. There is no schematic or circuit diagram in the instruction manual.
can you make a favor, there's a way to know the size of the cables that end it up in the AC Output
Unfortunately I closed it up already, but if I had to take an educated guess, it looked like 6awg. It's possible it was 8awg.
How do you can identificate that your inverter have the watts power if you look inside of it. I have one and the dont have serial number o model number so i dont sure that i hace what i buy it... there is a form that i know what power i have??
Hi do you have a video of the disconnect and connect of the inverter face plate
No, but it comes off easily. There's just a couple of white JST-style connectors. I drew a black line on mine so I can tell which ones went were when I put it back together. There are a couple that are the same size.
Wow, you’d you find this kind of deal...lucky
I've been watching and haven't see another appear yet...
I have this inverter, and it's not working too well.
The inverter cuts off the output every time the fans come on, when inverting and when charging. This results in interrupted power, and things like fridges never getting cold, because their compressors take a while to come back on.
It wasn't always like this, it lasted about 2 years before it developed this fault.
I can mitigate the issue a bit by having a fan blowing on it while it's inverting, so that way, the glitches are less often, but that doesn't seem to matter much when it's charging.
Also the variable charging doesn't work anymore, as if I try to increase the charging speed, it goes into an endless cycles of fans on, fans off, fans on, fans off....
I live in Nigeria and can't send this back to the U.S for repairs.
Please if anyone has any solutions to my problem, please let me know.
So basically whenever the cooling fans turn on, the inverter blanks out? You're saying "output goes off", but does the LCD on the top also go out (or indicate "off")?
I'm half suspecting a failed cooling fan...when the inverter tries to turn the fans on, a damaged cooling fan shorts out the internal power supply, crashing the CPU, causing it to reset/turn off?
Hey, I did not find this one in Amazon, who know where to buy it? not in AIMS webisit, thanks.
Massive!
and it prevents blowing the FETS on start up. its a inductor not a transformer...
Yes, technically it is an inductor lol
Hi. Great vid. Aims has the worst customer service I have ever seen. But that is probably a good inverter. If you want another good one like that but much cheaper check out sigineer. Thanks again
That's unfortunate, hopefully I won't have to ever call them. I did check out Sigineer before buying this one. I was immediately turned away by them when they advertised their inverters were UL listed. I contacted the company asking for the UL certification and changed their storying saying "oh they're not listed, they just meet UL requirements so you can certify it yourself". Um, no.
I didnt know that . Im sure thats the same with most inverters.Either way hopefully it works well for you.
I have a 3ton ac on the pump hook up it handel's with no problem
How come there are so many MOSFETs in parallel? Does that draw more current?
Having multiple FETs in parallel increases the total power they can manage.
Ahhh ok. Thank you!
Do you have an schematic if the ATS
How much Price this inverter
About $3000 on Amazon amzn.to/32RQcNF you might be able to find them a bit cheaper if you look around.
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How do you find the discount?
When you're browsing Amazon, if you go to the used Category, the "damaged" items are usually sold by "Amazon Warehouse Deals" as the seller.
PLEASE LET E KNOW HOW U GET IT ,HOW DID U KNOW ITS CHEEPER ONE
They show up on Amazon as "used" with the seller as "Amazon Warehouse Deals".
Can l buy in India
I'm not sure, sorry. I don't think these are distributed outside of North America. I would try contacting their sales team and see if they can make a recommendation. www.aimscorp.net/help.php?section=contactus&mode=update
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How much does it cost?
Just under $3000. You can buy them here amzn.to/2NlKs9X
What size fuses does it have?
It doesn't have a fuse on the DC input. It's up you to choose your own fuse and wire it close to the battery. I used 225A Class T fuses by Blue Sea Systems on mine.
@@LithiumSolar sounds reasonable.. I was thinking about the fuses on the AC side of things. I saw one 8kw rated blue box that actually had a 20 amp fuse for the AC world.. which would mean that you had basically a 2,000 watt inverter if that was only on the 110 side.. If it was on the center tap of a BIG transformer, that would be only double the power: 4,000 watts.. which again is far less than the 8kw was supposed to supply. Details on these things is difficult to come by....
How do many
Pump input is probably charger input
It's for a well pump when the main output is not powerful enough to start the pump. It is explained in the manual for the 12kW model. For some reason, they left it out of the 10kW inverter manual.
With Avasva plans doing something like that was easy.
I hope you know that is a Chinese inverter
Most things are made in China these days... You just need to be able to separate the quality brands from the not-good stuff.
hi if y have any intention to sell i well bai from y thank y
I don't plan on selling, but thank you for your interest :)
Good looking inverter transformer, but i don't see a sufficient high resistance coil windings a secret parts to feed up and regulate the needed amps of the primary output transformer it's not because it's big it will automatically produce the high amps no.. magic is not possible cause it needs a combination at least "2-3" main transformers, plus there is no seperated battery charger transformer going back to its battery input it's kind of power life cycle when idle, i believe it's not base on first and original inverter invention. Because of missing voltage regulator transformer the maximum output wattage and amps is only half when it's fully loaded and running with appliances. I can improve that inverter with no marketing fake 10kw but it will double the size of it's box, this is the most correct inverter only misi 1-2 main transformer depends on what you need still the best inverter seen on RUclips.
The transformer is awfully small for 10KVA.
Small? It's huge and very heavy.
@@LithiumSolar Do an efficiency test on it, that transformer will get rather hot at full power, also measure the idle current no load.
i lift it by my self
Wow, you must be strong!
:( I just blow mine up. I was testing the ac 240 input using a generator 20 amp 4 leg. i connected the red black and ground. was working for a little bit then pow! a few of the transistors blow. i am thinking it had some to do with me messing with the dip switches while it was on. or because i did not have the battery leads on tight enough. what are your thoughts?
OUCH! :( The manual doesn't say anything about the inverter needing to be off to flip the switches, but something just tells me that's a bad idea... Did the input hertz match the frequency switch? I don't have the input on mine connected.
my generator is a little bit flaky it may have output more then 240 v at some point during when i had it connected this may have been the cause. well i am getting new control boards to hopefully fix the issue
After I got my 10kw Aims I read the manual and the warranty is void if you use too small of a generator. I need 1.5 times the inverter output, so I need a 15kw generator. My generator is a 7.5kw so I have not hooked it up.
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Aims suck , mine quit working and they wouldn't even look at it. I'll never buy one and will do the best I can to keep speading the word
Sorry you're in the minority who had a bad experience :(
If you would like to sell your blew up inverter or trade for a working one please let me know
@@ambersmith6517 Interested
If you still have the inverter and are near Iowa I would be interested in buying it.
@@dougbarrett7803 yes I am interested
solar water pump terminals
I have the 12kw version of this sitting in my basement. My original plan was to use 2X24 volt forklift batteries for storage from my 7Kw solar. I am now building a 18650 powerwall so i'm very interested in your project. Like you I won't be using the charger function. Do you think this will work with the 60 volt 18650s?
The manual for mine says the high voltage alarm/fault occurs at 64.0V. I'm not sure I would push it to 60.0V. Are you looking at a 15s configuration for your 18650s?
LithiumSolar 14s battery
I would think the forklift batteries would be much safer. Lithium when it burns is impossible to extinguish and it's a very hot fire.