Seriously. It's always incredibly scary to see one of these instances where the jury is obviously just deferring to the police and the prosecutor. Like "well, THEY'RE sure he did it, so he must have." That completely defeats the purpose of a jury trial. Then you've got people like Casey Anthony, getting away with murder solely because there aren't pictures of her dumping her baby in the woods... the judicial system in America desperately needs some restructuring
@@cjb2749 well said.. definitely cracks where we see innocent people go to jail bc small towns and even other towns scramble to catch someone and pin on them so people don’t freak out that there’s a killer on the lose and Jury don’t look at the evidence basically say think you’ll see it because the cops said so and then case’s were it’s obvious who the killer is but they get away bc no pictures smh like Casey and OJ and etc
The way the crimes were committed ---the drawn blinds, the locked door, picking up the spent shells, leaving no physical evidence, etc ---points to someone far more sophisticated than a teenage boy. A teenage boy who apparently had no motive and was heading out to enjoy a fun night with friends. The whole idea of a forensic specialist who just HAPPENED to be driving by and pulls over to help seems almost ludicrous ----and given the way he totally botched crucial evidence, everyone would have been better off if he'd just kept driving. Thank you for sharing this!
No1 else had a reason to kill them tho. Only he had the motive. Sure it could've been a psycho serial killer. But if that were the case,I highly doubt that they'd spend all that time in their house to clean up the crime scene like that.
His motive was that he was p'd off at his dad for grounding him and giving him curfew as he was supposed to come straight home after prom. So it's very convenient that they happened to die on that night.
Yes, good point. I'd be ok with a series from them that had longer stories. Just so it's not like A&E shows where they repeat the same information after every commercial which themselves comes every ten minutes... LOL...
Good presentation! Thanks! The pathologist's mistakes are inexcusable. If the pathologist had done his job, there might be no controversy. If I'd heard the evidence as you presented it, I'd have a hard time convicting him. I think the jury covered for shoddy work by the local police by convicting him. I can't tell whether he's guilty.
Same here. It's hard to tell with such a shoddy investigation. They were so focused on the one child missing from the murders they didn't bother to investigate Bob's past relationships.
I know back in the 80’s they didn’t do all of the investigating like they do today, because they would have definitely found the father’s background. The part about the jeans also confuses me. So he was convicted on literally no evidence, just the fact that the police had their eyes on him from the first and never looked anywhere else! I am sure that if the whole family would have been there too, all of them would have been killed. There just wasn’t enough evidence! That happened a lot during the 80’s! And even now it happens, the investigators get tunnel vision and don’t look anywhere else. Thank you both for being us the true crime videos! I never miss one! ❣️
It's so strange they didn't investigate Bob's history for the one fact he was a victim. Victimilogy is important to finding a perpetrator. Those little girls didn't have a chance for a past but he did. IMO I still have no idea. The law enforcement and body examiner didn't help at all to preserve evidence or even keep it in chain of custody so it would be hard to solve today..
@@aleyahaforlife they botched the whole scene and the whole crime. You can’t convict the kid because there no evidence or anything to tie even if you think he’s guilty.
The jury went with guilty that is troubling for sure. And this mob thing may be something to it. It deserves a second look. To many innocent people in our prison system
I remember this story. It was heartbreaking and the people from the church went over to see why they could not see anyone alive. Thank you for telling this story. Much love from Uk xxx
I’m not convinced he murdered his family. Definitely reasonable doubt here. Now I wouldn’t jump to be his best friend or ask him to watch my kids or anything but as far as the judicial system goes there was not enough evidence in my opinion to convict him of such terrible acts. Thanks Amy for another slightly longer episode of TCR! Which is an appreciated bonus! You always do an amazing job! I get so excited when I’m notified of an upload from you guys!! I’m a huge fan from Southern California 🇺🇸! Bring on the True Crime Recaps please!
Wait....if you believe he's innocent, then why wouldn't you be his best friend and have him watch your kids? You can't have it both ways. He either did it or he didn't. If he didn't, then he's a grieving teenager who lost most of his family in a tragic way. Whether the prosecution did a good job or not, you either believe he did it or you believe he's innocent.
@Yosetime just because you are innocent of murder, doesnt automatically make you a great trustworthy person. Not murdering people is like the bare minimum
What are the chances of that investigator being there? Why was he so renowned when he didn't ensure any basic standard was met for the crime scene evidence? Seems like the police might have let the killer/cleanup right on in.
Difficult to convict someone like this beyond a reasonable doubt. There just isn't enough concrete evidence against him. I would have a hard time if I were a jury member in this case. At the very least, I think he should get a new trial.
Also: The investigators examined and photographed Jeff's upper body. No marks. Certainly the recoil of firing a 20 gauge shotgun that many times would have left a bruise (or bruises) on his shoulder.
Wow, if this is what they had, how did he go to prison? I don’t think I could have decided beyond a reasonable doubt that he killed them. He may have, but just as likely may not have. On the other hand, I don’t think the mob killed kids? Love your content ♥️
Yes exactly there’s to many what if’s to be conclusive beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it, I don’t think that jury was the smartest people if they think for sure he did it.
I think there’s a good chance he did it, well I’m sure he did it. But at the same time there’s evidence to show maybe he didn’t. I would have to say he’s innocent based on not enough evidence to convict him and he would have to go free based on the chance he could be innocent.
Sometimes they do kill kids to eliminate any witnesses. And one mobster had threatened to kill Bob's entire family. I think the fact that Jeff was away at prom that night (despite his earlier dispute with his dad about going to prom and the amusement park) was just as much of a coincidence as the two girls being away the same night. It was said Bob normally meted out harsh punishment and then later relented, and it sounds like that's what happened prom night. Discipline, especially with a teenage boy, likely happened often so, again, I think there's a high probability it was only coincidence this happened on Jeff's prom night.
No kids or women but there are some that did like in Italy, idk about america but they say they don't put in the mob movies that they do kill kids and women, so not sure
After watching so many crime stories of serial killers that have committed many more murders than they were sentenced for, it really makes me wonder how many people have gone to jail when someone close to them was murdered at random, but the police had NO idea it was a random killer, and so in their investigations they examine all the close family and friends and decide someone had enough motive to do it, and manage to gather some kind of incriminating evidence to send them to jail or to their death .. it is almost impossible for a random killer to be linked to a victim, unless they find DNA or prints or something.. just a thought ... great job Amy 👍
It has definitely happened. I’ve seen several instances where they tested and matched DNA to a known/unknown serial killer, which exonerated the spouse/lover wrongly convicted of the crime.
Oh, my Dear. The way in which you tell stories is why we listen. Best, to you in all you and Chris 'do for the telling of these families lives, interrupted and forgotten. But, non the less unlived through the survivers. My, heart goes out to them. Thank you, for bringing dignity and hope to them. I'm sure, it is little comfort compared to their own going trauma. But, the fact that voices can be heard, must mean a lot. When, there is little else.
I think it's unlikely Jeff did it, and more likely the pastor's "prior life" was responsible. There's certainly reasonable doubt. And frankly, the cops not looking into a tip just because it's "hearsay" is ridiculous! Heresay isn't allowed in court. Outside of court it's a tip. You follow up on a tip to see if it pans out, and rises to the level of evidence. Talk about laziness and confirmation bias! Geez. Without follow up, that tip left reasonable doubt as far as I'm concerned.
I think without a doubt that Jeff is not guilty of this crime. The true perpetrator was someone had killed before and committed these murders on behalf of shady characters from the father’s past. It doesn’t help that on the other end of the spectrum, you have incompetent police who simply don’t want to appear incompetent and want to close the case to appease the community.
I think it’s possible the cops were shady people who could easily have been bribed by the mob. I’m not saying it’s necessarily the case, but with as much as they were dead set on Bob’s son, for so long, and the fact that they basically came up with evidence that most likely didn’t even exist, they were not just incompetent, but also shady characters who were willing to do whatever it takes to end the case, even if it means convicting the innocent.
It makes you wonder about the jury. I've seen cases with more evidence...Casey Anthony, OJ Simpson...and they get off. It's a real WTF case! Actually, makes me mad!
It is highly unlikely that any shady people from the Dad's past would wipe out everyone in the house and leave them all there and not even try to make it look like a robbery. And they certainly wouldn't shoot them in the face. Shooting in the face, especially when it's not needed, is getting up close and personal. Standing directly on top of a man who is already dead or at least nearly and paralysed, doesn't make any sense. It takes alot of rage to shoot someone in the face. And to shoot two little girls too. The answers are in the details. No convoluted mobster conspiracy theories work in this case and are very, very rare anyway. Any investigator can tell you that the nature and timing of these killings came from someone within the family, who is full of rage and pent up emotions. Someone who didn't come home for 2 days. Someone who didn't even call home. Do you think that if Jeff really did have permission to go to all the activities all weekend that his strict parents wouldn't want him to at least check in? Wouldn't he have needed to go home for a change of clothes or sleep or something? The cops tracked him down not the other way around. Jeff was staying away on purpose. Maybe the cops screwed up. But that doesn't mean Jeff didn't do it. A jury of 12 says he did. And they were the ones who heard the testimony. And all 12 have to agree on the verdict. You have to trust that.
@@Yosetime I agree with you Yosemite, I don't buy the mob story and Jeff seems like the most likely culprit. However, without the murder weapon or DNA/fingerprint evidence I don't think he should have been convicted.
Finally getting caught up with my videos from the past several days! If nothing else, this case is a reminder that eye-witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. This one remembers this, that one remembers that, and a third remembers something else. And some don't know or remember anything, but have to have a say. My humble believe is that he probably did it, but how strong the case actually was is another story. I was not familiar with this case - another great job, Amy & Chris!
I’m curious as to how the police decided Jeff, a 17-18 year old kid killed his family. Was there history of violent behavior prior to these murders? I get he is capable of doing it, but is he able to then go off to Prom and a theme park as if nothing happened? I believe his friends would have notice strange behavior. With the background info on Bob, I think it should be considered new evidence and Jeff should get a retrial. I don’t think the jury would have convicted him had they known Bob was involved with that shady bank.
Watch more True Crime videos. Lots of teen family annihilators, mass shooters, etc who don't have a previous history of violence, they just "snap" when they're told they can't go to prom or hang out with friends, are prevented from dating a certain boy or girl, told to do chores, can't play video games, want their inheritance early, etc. See the Dana Ewell case for one. These cases seem to happen a lot in Australia as well.
Great story and presentation. This one shows just how shoddy of an investigation was done by a less than reputable law enforcement agency. Starting with the pathologist, law enforcement, court system, and how a jury would have found him guilty. It doesn't take much effort to trace someone who hasn't changed their names. At the very least, this young man deserves another trial. Shoddy evidence, testimony and haste to solve the case caused him to lose his freedom.
I agree. Similar to the Jeremy Bamber case. Innocent imo. Playboy looks and would have had money. He and his sister adopted, neither related. After the murders he wanted to break off with his then girlfriend, she didn't take too kindly to that. The extended family spent the inheritance quick, such a travesty
Thank you Amy! This is outrageous, if I had been a juror I wouldn’t vote guilty. This case should be reopened, in my opinion there wasn’t enough evidence to convict.
He needs a new trial. Just what’s in this video is enough to create reasonable doubt. On top of that it’s just evident the police figured out who did it in their heads and that’s it. They refused to look any deeper. The thing is there’s so many holes in their story that there’s no way it proves he murdered his family. In addition, that boy would’ve had to move really fast to get all that done and cleaned up and to where he was going. I don’t know any teenager that moves that fast and can clean themselves up that well and the scene that well so there’s no blood all over them and their things. Teenagers always forget something. Also, a boy doing laundry especially teenage boy, LOL. How many teenage boys you know even know how to turn on the washing machine? Also don’t give me the laundry thing. I have washed clothes before that had no more than a T-shirt and a pair of socks. It drives my husband crazy when I do such small loads like that. There are always going to be teenagers who are a little bit harder to handle and or a little bit rebellious. That in no way means they murdered somebody. In fact they say it was because he was not allowed to go to prom but he was allowed to go to prom. Also the fact that his father had some very shady dealings means it very much a possibility that it could have been a professional hit. A professional hit would be just that, professional. They know what they’re doing. They know how to clean up and take care of the scene and to make things confusing for the police. I know this paragraph is going to sound a little weird or gruesome but it’s one of the things I thought about. You noticed they were all shot directly in the head. Whoever did that wanted to make sure they were dead. Whoever did that wanted to make sure that when they were shot there was no way these people would make it through. That definitely screams like a professional. It says to me somebody who knows how to make sure somebody dies. I don’t think a teenager would’ve thought that through all the way. I honestly don’t think he would’ve wanted to even shoot them in the head. I really don’t think at his age he would’ve done that especially not to the children. I think like most people especially a teenager probably would’ve shot in the chest area. A head shot is very gruesome. It’s gruesome and there’s more than just blood involved with a headshot. That also makes me feel like the timeline for him doing this and getting cleaned up is even more impossible. The other big thing is why was the person who moved the guns, purchased the guns, never really talked to until many years later? They would’ve had the weapon that supposedly the son used and they could’ve ruled it out or they could’ve said yes it was it. There’s just way too many holes in this case. Also to me the biggest red flag and would be the hardest thing for me to try to convict this person if I was on the jury was the fact that the forensic evidence was not done correctly. There was no way to have anything to prove what time they were killed. The forensic pathologist did not do his job correctly meaning there was no way to really know when this happened. One of the individuals that came into the house and found them made a statement and kept saying the pool of blood was wet. Many years later he’s now changing the statement to it was dry? That tells me that he is desperate to have this boy convicted because he thinks he’s guilty. He told, this witness, the truth the first several times he was asked which was right after it happened; when it was fresh in his memory. Coming across a scene like that there’s no way this person would not have noticed if it was dry or wet. No doubt in my mind he changed the story later so he could get this guy convicted. I also think this guy’s attorney did not do the right thing by not putting that gentleman up there who would purchased the guns. That also would’ve put major holes into the police story. I know they were worried but so was the prosecution. If your client is being charged with murder of all these people you got to do your job right. Also, I am so tired of hearing this person must be guilty because they acted this particular way at the funeral or after they were notified of the death. All of us react different. Not everybody becomes a puddle of mush and can’t stop crying. Also, some people just don’t like acting that way in front of people or in public because they don’t think it’s macho to act that way. There are people I know who internalize it and you would never know it was bothering them although they are dying inside. They are as stoic as stoic can be. Inside where no one can see though they are falling apart but they just refuse to show it. Also when you hear that his father taught them not to cry and to be that way at a funeral then it makes even more sense why he acted that way especially at his father’s funeral. Police have got to do better. Police have got to stop immediately thinking they have it figured out and that’s their guilty person and no matter what it takes they’re going to make sure they bring this person down. I’m all for bringing down the person or people who are responsible for crime but by God it needs to be the right one or ones. From the very start they had already convinced themselves it was the son because he was mad about prom. They convinced themselves there was no way anybody else could do it so by God that’s who did it and we’re done. They moved way too fast and basically in their minds convicted somebody way too fast without the right or enough evidence. Yes it could be the son but before you decide that’s who you’re going to blame it on every aspect of the victim’s life needs to be pulled apart. Make sure you’re not missing anything and convicting some innocent person who didn’t do it. Would they want that to be done to them or to their family members? I can guarantee the answer to that is no. If the son did it then he needs to spend the rest of his life in jail. However, with what has been presented there is not the evidence there to convict him without a reasonable doubt. This needs to be reopened and he needs a new trial. He needs the police to be honest and forthcoming. He needs the police to tell the truth about things that aren’t adding up or things that they really can’t say happened. I know to them it makes them look bad but it’s the right thing to do. Supposedly these are police that want to do the right thing. If that’s the case then show it even if it means making the police department not look like they did their job well. I really hope he gets another trial and all evidence for both sides can be given and hopefully the truth can be seen.
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, What you're trying to say is,........... He needs a new trial? And please don't answer. Because Words.
Amy, your hair looks so great! I can't tell if you got it dyed/cut/styled or I just haven't seen a video of you in a while, but it looks gorgeous! And so do you, as always🥰 thank you for these videos, I've never heard of this case before. (And even when you cover cases I do know, you always come up with more information than I have ever managed to do)
The moral of this case is... Never ever argue with your parents before leaving home... You never know if you could be trapped in middle of a horrendous investigation without knowing!!!😖😵
Amy, love you! You and Chris have an amazing and easy to follow train of thought that makes it easy to understand and follow. I feel they could have dug around more and perhaps followed that mob link...felt they got tunnel vision for Jeff...
Thank you for your documentary which I enjoyed very much. I especially enjoyed the fact that I could understand what the narrator was saying - far too many hosts suffer from bad diction and it was a nice change to understand what was being said.
Ive always been fascinated with this story as i live 4 miles from Lakeville Indiana. I was young when this happened and remember being terrified that this could happen to an entire family. And children.
As a person who comes from a family of J’s, I gotta say it’s surprising the blended family all had J-named children (Jeff, Jolene, Jessica, Janel, Jacque).
I sure have missed your channel. Nice to be listening. Thanks for the great story but I wouldn’t mind if it was an hour long. You guys are great to listen to
I was shocked when you said he was found guilty. You did a fantastic job breaking this whole thing down. I think one of our biggest issues with the justice system is that people have a fundamental lack of understanding to what beyond a reasonable doubt means. Based off the evidence you spoke of I can’t say with any confidence either way what actually happened. And if you’re not completely sure then the presumption innocence is suppose to be upheld, period. Great video!
Gezz Amy this was a wild ride! I'm going to have to watch this again because I changed my mind 10 times! Love listening to you tell a story Amy. Tell Chris I said hi 🙂 peace and love to all!
I wish more than anything that I could possess even just *half* the skill level of a confident and organized presenter like you. This is a complicated case for sure.
Hey Amy, this story is heartbreaking. Idk it seems like the justice system failed them all (in a round about way) just a little of everything & nothing. 🤷♀️🥵 Alway's a great job telling these stories. I absolutely love you both my friend!!👍🏻👏😍😉💕💕 RIP Angel's 🕊🕊🌾💜💜 God bless 👑🙏🏻🕊❤❤❤
Wow !! I remember this being on Dateline or something and they went into detail about the step sisters point of view and she said Jeff always acted crazy and he thought it was funny to terrorize the girls and his step mom so idk 🤷♀️ part of me thinks they have the right person!! As always Thank you Amy 💜💜💜
*I don’t understand* how you guys don’t have millions of followers! You both are so concise and give *all* & *only* the most important details meanwhile keeping it completely entertaining. I think I can speak for the majority when I say that: for us that love true crime, and want to (re)listen to these cases but don’t always care to sit through the long, babbling videos, we genuinely adore your channel! 🦋🤍xx
This is very clearly a case of shoddy police work and the whole town being so convinced that he did it that they didn’t bother looking in other possibilities
New subscriber here 🙂 Thanks for sharing this video with me, much appreciated. That expression “it lit up like a Christmas tree” occasionally (and very inappropriately) makes me imagine a really gruesome and grisly Christmas tree 🎄. Like, what kind of person has a Christmas tree that looks like it’s sprayed with blood or other body-fluids. A Christmas tree with that eerie white-blue glow that luminol produces? Huh huh huh? Who? And why did we have to bring “Christmas” into this? Of all the things they could have said, someone had to say “Christmas tree”. Personally, I have never ever seen a Christmas tree, with lights, that immediately makes me think of a crime scene. Next Christmas I’m going to start saying - Wow, your Christmas tree is all lit up like a crime scene, it’s beautiful. Just sayin’
That last one was something I didn't see coming. I don't think he would do that over not going to prom but if it was someone else why would they put clothes in the washer? It's really a strange story.... Love y'all's channel.. 💜❤️
7:20 Amy, I'm sure you know the name for where the blood is found in the veins, but for anyone who doesn't know it is livor mortis. I'm sure you didn't want any body to be confused! Thank you for another great video!
I remember this story back when it happened, and it never sat well with me that it seemed like the cops were looking for reasons to 'say' it was Jeff, not 'prove' it.
I have no idea who killed that family. I don’t know enough about it. It seems to me, however, that the alternate theory and corresponding evidence should have been turned over to the defense and was not. This is a Brady violation and almost always grounds for a mistral. And should be so here unless I’m missing something.
I like the fact the recaps are short(er) thsn some others. I personally would love to see more clips of original investigation pictures and videos such as 911 calls and interrogation videos. I know you guys put a lot of work into these videos so I'm not criticizing I promise. Just saying a suggestion I have. Thanks for your videos I've subscribed 😊
This is so exciting not because of the murders but because I never heard of this case. I moved to South Bend in August of 1989 such a boring quiet town back then, I didn't have a phone or car just me & my 5 children walking everywhere. Now I know exactly where Lakeville is and know a few people that live there. Thanks for the upload 👏 The police dept here has had it's share of Corruption Lakeville is in St Joseph County so I would question it too.
Oh my goodness!! So horrible! I just can't see how they convicted him with so much reasonable doubt 🤷♀️. Great telling of this story 😊❤️. May I say btw... Your hair looks so beautiful 🥰. God bless this family🙏❤️RIP🙏❤️
I can’t see this as the son that killed them. The police made a right mess of the case, and I believe Jeff needs another trial. Thanks Amy for this one hope you and Chris are both well 👍👊🇬🇧🇺🇸
I've seen so many videos where the accused wasn't prosecuted or found guilty just because they didn't have eye witnesses to the murder and there were multiple people in the house; or the body wasn't located. On the other end of the spectrum, here Jeff gets found guilty with literally zero physical evidence. I watched a video awhile ago about a wealthy man and his wife who were murdered in their long driveway, at the time the male victim was in a legal dispute with his ex business partner. Based solely on the business partner saying some nasty things about the victim publicly, the jury convicted him with zero evidence of contact with hired killers, no money trail leading to the possible killers, no physical evidence that he'd done it himself (he had an alibi) and he got life for the double murders. That case stuck with me, especially when I see cases (true crime addict) that seem like an easy conviction and the suspects walk away without charges, and then there's cases like this one..... and I wonder how the lawyers, judge and jury members were even allowed in the courtroom to decide someone's fate.
From the information I have heard here, I would have held my ground that he was innocent, EVEN if I was the stand alone hold out. I would much rather a suspect have a hung jury and be guilty than to have an innocent person put in jail on suspicion.
It's unfortunate because obviously the jury had their emotions in it. When you're deciding the fate of a human being you should definitely leave your emotions out of it, and I know it's hard because we're human beings, but this is someone's life. Based on the evidence there's no way in good conscience I could have been on the jury and found him guilty. The prosecution did not present enough evidence that would have swayed me to give a guilty verdict.
I watched this on a show not that long ago and it wasn't as detailed so it led you to believe Jeff was the only suspect and the only one that could have done it. I am glad you added to it so now, i just don't know.
Great video! I feel like it was 50/50 with all the iffy evidence and witnesses. They didn’t do a great job with the investigation they were more worried about closing the case
They wanted to close the case. He could only have done it if he committed the crime the day before. There was not enough evidence to find him guilty. 🙄
I wouldn’t call getting grounded from Prom as being overly disciplined, the guy committed a *Burglary!* he broke into a person’s home and stole money and cd’s, the homeowners could have shot and killed him while he was inside their home, or he could’ve hurt the homeowners if caught. I think his Dad was right to correct his son after he carried out a very reckless and dangerous crime!
Knowing the pastors past this sounds like a hit. It doesn't make sense that a hitman would rub the entire family out, though. On the other hand, shooting somebody in the face is personal and indicates rage. That could point to the son. Going with my gut instinct, I do think Jeff was railroaded.
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Jackie was doing Jeff????
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Thank You for an excellent video!
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Doesn’t seem like enough evidence to convict someone of murder. Kind of terrifying he was found guilty on so little.
Seriously. It's always incredibly scary to see one of these instances where the jury is obviously just deferring to the police and the prosecutor. Like "well, THEY'RE sure he did it, so he must have." That completely defeats the purpose of a jury trial.
Then you've got people like Casey Anthony, getting away with murder solely because there aren't pictures of her dumping her baby in the woods... the judicial system in America desperately needs some restructuring
Happens often. People almost always vote guilty. They also don't understand what beyond a reasonable doubt is apparently.
And sentenced to over 100 years in prison. 😡 Poor Jeff. I absolutely think he is innocent.
Exactly...even though there is a good chance he did it, I couldn't definitely say that as a juror and send him to prison for 106 years.
@@cjb2749 well said.. definitely cracks where we see innocent people go to jail bc small towns and even other towns scramble to catch someone and pin on them so people don’t freak out that there’s a killer on the lose and Jury don’t look at the evidence basically say think you’ll see it because the cops said so and then case’s were it’s obvious who the killer is but they get away bc no pictures smh like Casey and OJ and etc
The way the crimes were committed ---the drawn blinds, the locked door, picking up the spent shells, leaving no physical evidence, etc ---points to someone far more sophisticated than a teenage boy. A teenage boy who apparently had no motive and was heading out to enjoy a fun night with friends. The whole idea of a forensic specialist who just HAPPENED to be driving by and pulls over to help seems almost ludicrous ----and given the way he totally botched crucial evidence, everyone would have been better off if he'd just kept driving. Thank you for sharing this!
It's almost like the killer paid the forensic specialist to purposely botch the case. 🤦♀️🤣🤣🤣
I definitely feel like he has something to do with it!
Maybe he had an accomplice who he refuses to rat out.
No1 else had a reason to kill them tho. Only he had the motive. Sure it could've been a psycho serial killer. But if that were the case,I highly doubt that they'd spend all that time in their house to clean up the crime scene like that.
His motive was that he was p'd off at his dad for grounding him and giving him curfew as he was supposed to come straight home after prom. So it's very convenient that they happened to die on that night.
Wow..... I don’t see guilt, honestly. I do see horrible police work😜
Agree 1000%
It could've gone either way...guilty or innocent...
Ya the police work was not goo6
I actually remember this case. Well done Amy!⭐
I enjoy the slightly longer recaps too!😉
Awesome! Thanks Tara!
Yes, good point. I'd be ok with a series from them that had longer stories. Just so it's not like A&E shows where they repeat the same information after every commercial which themselves comes every ten minutes... LOL...
@@TrueCrimeRecaps I agree! I absolutely love the longer recaps. Keep them coming please and thank you. 😊
Me too. Love the longer ones.
Good presentation! Thanks!
The pathologist's mistakes are inexcusable. If the pathologist had done his job, there might be no controversy. If I'd heard the evidence as you presented it, I'd have a hard time convicting him. I think the jury covered for shoddy work by the local police by convicting him. I can't tell whether he's guilty.
Same here. It's hard to tell with such a shoddy investigation. They were so focused on the one child missing from the murders they didn't bother to investigate Bob's past relationships.
Same, I just don't know. Just all around sad. God bless 👑🙏🏻🕊💜💜
Strange that the pathologist was just “passing through”. Interesting case.
Maybe the pathologist was threatened to not do his job.
I know back in the 80’s they didn’t do all of the investigating like they do today, because they would have definitely found the father’s background. The part about the jeans also confuses me. So he was convicted on literally no evidence, just the fact that the police had their eyes on him from the first and never looked anywhere else! I am sure that if the whole family would have been there too, all of them would have been killed. There just wasn’t enough evidence! That happened a lot during the 80’s! And even now it happens, the investigators get tunnel vision and don’t look anywhere else.
Thank you both for being us the true crime videos! I never miss one! ❣️
Unfortunately, many police forces are no different today.
Glad you covered this story...extremely detailed, organized and well presented 👏👏 thanks for coming in clutch with the vid
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you!
Their videos are always great!
It's so strange they didn't investigate Bob's history for the one fact he was a victim. Victimilogy is important to finding a perpetrator. Those little girls didn't have a chance for a past but he did. IMO I still have no idea. The law enforcement and body examiner didn't help at all to preserve evidence or even keep it in chain of custody so it would be hard to solve today..
Might be because victimology is a new concept and might not have been a thing back in '89.
@@mumtazamiri6409 in 1989 law enforcement and the medical examiner should have definitely known better.
@@aleyahaforlife True dat !
@@aleyahaforlife they botched the whole scene and the whole crime. You can’t convict the kid because there no evidence or anything to tie even if you think he’s guilty.
I’m not seeing “beyond a reasonable doubt” for conviction. Great summary, Amy! I love this channel.
The jury went with guilty that is troubling for sure. And this mob thing may be something to it. It deserves a second look. To many innocent people in our prison system
Estimates say approx. 10%.
I remember this story. It was heartbreaking and the people from the church went over to see why they could not see anyone alive. Thank you for telling this story. Much love from Uk xxx
I’m not convinced he murdered his family. Definitely reasonable doubt here. Now I wouldn’t jump to be his best friend or ask him to watch my kids or anything but as far as the judicial system goes there was not enough evidence in my opinion to convict him of such terrible acts. Thanks Amy for another slightly longer episode of TCR! Which is an appreciated bonus! You always do an amazing job! I get so excited when I’m notified of an upload from you guys!! I’m a huge fan from Southern California 🇺🇸! Bring on the True Crime Recaps please!
Wait....if you believe he's innocent, then why wouldn't you be his best friend and have him watch your kids? You can't have it both ways. He either did it or he didn't. If he didn't, then he's a grieving teenager who lost most of his family in a tragic way. Whether the prosecution did a good job or not, you either believe he did it or you believe he's innocent.
@Yosetime just because you are innocent of murder, doesnt automatically make you a great trustworthy person. Not murdering people is like the bare minimum
What are the chances of that investigator being there? Why was he so renowned when he didn't ensure any basic standard was met for the crime scene evidence? Seems like the police might have let the killer/cleanup right on in.
Difficult to convict someone like this beyond a reasonable doubt. There just isn't enough concrete evidence against him. I would have a hard time if I were a jury member in this case. At the very least, I think he should get a new trial.
Also: The investigators examined and photographed Jeff's upper body. No marks. Certainly the recoil of firing a 20 gauge shotgun that many times would have left a bruise (or bruises) on his shoulder.
Please keep doing mysteries/unsolved cases! They're so facsinating.
Will do! Thanks.
I remember this story. Good job telling the story about this cold hearted freek. Love you two
Thanks Ms C!
Wow, if this is what they had, how did he go to prison? I don’t think I could have decided beyond a reasonable doubt that he killed them. He may have, but just as likely may not have. On the other hand, I don’t think the mob killed kids? Love your content ♥️
Yes exactly there’s to many what if’s to be conclusive beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it, I don’t think that jury was the smartest people if they think for sure he did it.
Yes the mob kill anyone they need to
I think there’s a good chance he did it, well I’m sure he did it. But at the same time there’s evidence to show maybe he didn’t. I would have to say he’s innocent based on not enough evidence to convict him and he would have to go free based on the chance he could be innocent.
Sometimes they do kill kids to eliminate any witnesses. And one mobster had threatened to kill Bob's entire family. I think the fact that Jeff was away at prom that night (despite his earlier dispute with his dad about going to prom and the amusement park) was just as much of a coincidence as the two girls being away the same night.
It was said Bob normally meted out harsh punishment and then later relented, and it sounds like that's what happened prom night. Discipline, especially with a teenage boy, likely happened often so, again, I think there's a high probability it was only coincidence this happened on Jeff's prom night.
No kids or women but there are some that did like in Italy, idk about america but they say they don't put in the mob movies that they do kill kids and women, so not sure
Y'all have a knack for finding cases I've never heard before! Excellent recap! ❤️
After watching so many crime stories of serial killers that have committed many more murders than they were sentenced for, it really makes me wonder how many people have gone to jail when someone close to them was murdered at random, but the police had NO idea it was a random killer, and so in their investigations they examine all the close family and friends and decide someone had enough motive to do it, and manage to gather some kind of incriminating evidence to send them to jail or to their death .. it is almost impossible for a random killer to be linked to a victim, unless they find DNA or prints or something.. just a thought ... great job Amy 👍
It has definitely happened. I’ve seen several instances where they tested and matched DNA to a known/unknown serial killer, which exonerated the spouse/lover wrongly convicted of the crime.
Julie Rae was convicted/sent to prison for killing her son.....years later it turned out to be serial killer Tommy Lynn Sells.
Oh, my Dear. The way in which you tell stories is why we listen. Best, to you in all you and Chris 'do for the telling of these families lives, interrupted and forgotten. But, non the less unlived through the survivers. My, heart goes out to them. Thank you, for bringing dignity and hope to them. I'm sure, it is little comfort compared to their own going trauma. But, the fact that voices can be heard, must mean a lot. When, there is little else.
I think it's unlikely Jeff did it, and more likely the pastor's "prior life" was responsible. There's certainly reasonable doubt. And frankly, the cops not looking into a tip just because it's "hearsay" is ridiculous! Heresay isn't allowed in court. Outside of court it's a tip. You follow up on a tip to see if it pans out, and rises to the level of evidence. Talk about laziness and confirmation bias! Geez. Without follow up, that tip left reasonable doubt as far as I'm concerned.
I think without a doubt that Jeff is not guilty of this crime. The true perpetrator was someone had killed before and committed these murders on behalf of shady characters from the father’s past. It doesn’t help that on the other end of the spectrum, you have incompetent police who simply don’t want to appear incompetent and want to close the case to appease the community.
I think it’s possible the cops were shady people who could easily have been bribed by the mob. I’m not saying it’s necessarily the case, but with as much as they were dead set on Bob’s son, for so long, and the fact that they basically came up with evidence that most likely didn’t even exist, they were not just incompetent, but also shady characters who were willing to do whatever it takes to end the case, even if it means convicting the innocent.
It makes you wonder about the jury. I've seen cases with more evidence...Casey Anthony, OJ Simpson...and they get off. It's a real WTF case! Actually, makes me mad!
It is highly unlikely that any shady people from the Dad's past would wipe out everyone in the house and leave them all there and not even try to make it look like a robbery. And they certainly wouldn't shoot them in the face. Shooting in the face, especially when it's not needed, is getting up close and personal. Standing directly on top of a man who is already dead or at least nearly and paralysed, doesn't make any sense. It takes alot of rage to shoot someone in the face. And to shoot two little girls too.
The answers are in the details. No convoluted mobster conspiracy theories work in this case and are very, very rare anyway. Any investigator can tell you that the nature and timing of these killings came from someone within the family, who is full of rage and pent up emotions. Someone who didn't come home for 2 days. Someone who didn't even call home. Do you think that if Jeff really did have permission to go to all the activities all weekend that his strict parents wouldn't want him to at least check in? Wouldn't he have needed to go home for a change of clothes or sleep or something? The cops tracked him down not the other way around. Jeff was staying away on purpose. Maybe the cops screwed up. But that doesn't mean Jeff didn't do it. A jury of 12 says he did. And they were the ones who heard the testimony. And all 12 have to agree on the verdict. You have to trust that.
@@Yosetime I agree with you Yosemite, I don't buy the mob story and Jeff seems like the most likely culprit. However, without the murder weapon or DNA/fingerprint evidence I don't think he should have been convicted.
@@Yosetime all good and interesting points still reasonable doubt tho
Finally getting caught up with my videos from the past several days! If nothing else, this case is a reminder that eye-witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. This one remembers this, that one remembers that, and a third remembers something else. And some don't know or remember anything, but have to have a say. My humble believe is that he probably did it, but how strong the case actually was is another story. I was not familiar with this case - another great job, Amy & Chris!
I’m curious as to how the police decided Jeff, a 17-18 year old kid killed his family. Was there history of violent behavior prior to these murders? I get he is capable of doing it, but is he able to then go off to Prom and a theme park as if nothing happened? I believe his friends would have notice strange behavior. With the background info on Bob, I think it should be considered new evidence and Jeff should get a retrial. I don’t think the jury would have convicted him had they known Bob was involved with that shady bank.
I agree with you 🇦🇺👏
100% creates more than reasonable doubt
@Vern Sherris that makes me sad, Vern. Wish we knew the truth.
Watch more True Crime videos. Lots of teen family annihilators, mass shooters, etc who don't have a previous history of violence, they just "snap" when they're told they can't go to prom or hang out with friends, are prevented from dating a certain boy or girl, told to do chores, can't play video games, want their inheritance early, etc. See the Dana Ewell case for one. These cases seem to happen a lot in Australia as well.
I think the Miami gangsters did it.
Great story and presentation. This one shows just how shoddy of an investigation was done by a less than reputable law enforcement agency. Starting with the pathologist, law enforcement, court system, and how a jury would have found him guilty. It doesn't take much effort to trace someone who hasn't changed their names. At the very least, this young man deserves another trial. Shoddy evidence, testimony and haste to solve the case caused him to lose his freedom.
I agree. Similar to the Jeremy Bamber case. Innocent imo. Playboy looks and would have had money. He and his sister adopted, neither related. After the murders he wanted to break off with his then girlfriend, she didn't take too kindly to that. The extended family spent the inheritance quick, such a travesty
Thank you Amy! This is outrageous, if I had been a juror I wouldn’t vote guilty. This case should be reopened, in my opinion there wasn’t enough evidence to convict.
He needs a new trial. Just what’s in this video is enough to create reasonable doubt. On top of that it’s just evident the police figured out who did it in their heads and that’s it. They refused to look any deeper. The thing is there’s so many holes in their story that there’s no way it proves he murdered his family. In addition, that boy would’ve had to move really fast to get all that done and cleaned up and to where he was going. I don’t know any teenager that moves that fast and can clean themselves up that well and the scene that well so there’s no blood all over them and their things. Teenagers always forget something. Also, a boy doing laundry especially teenage boy, LOL. How many teenage boys you know even know how to turn on the washing machine? Also don’t give me the laundry thing. I have washed clothes before that had no more than a T-shirt and a pair of socks. It drives my husband crazy when I do such small loads like that.
There are always going to be teenagers who are a little bit harder to handle and or a little bit rebellious. That in no way means they murdered somebody. In fact they say it was because he was not allowed to go to prom but he was allowed to go to prom. Also the fact that his father had some very shady dealings means it very much a possibility that it could have been a professional hit. A professional hit would be just that, professional. They know what they’re doing. They know how to clean up and take care of the scene and to make things confusing for the police.
I know this paragraph is going to sound a little weird or gruesome but it’s one of the things I thought about. You noticed they were all shot directly in the head. Whoever did that wanted to make sure they were dead. Whoever did that wanted to make sure that when they were shot there was no way these people would make it through. That definitely screams like a professional. It says to me somebody who knows how to make sure somebody dies. I don’t think a teenager would’ve thought that through all the way. I honestly don’t think he would’ve wanted to even shoot them in the head. I really don’t think at his age he would’ve done that especially not to the children. I think like most people especially a teenager probably would’ve shot in the chest area. A head shot is very gruesome. It’s gruesome and there’s more than just blood involved with a headshot. That also makes me feel like the timeline for him doing this and getting cleaned up is even more impossible.
The other big thing is why was the person who moved the guns, purchased the guns, never really talked to until many years later? They would’ve had the weapon that supposedly the son used and they could’ve ruled it out or they could’ve said yes it was it. There’s just way too many holes in this case. Also to me the biggest red flag and would be the hardest thing for me to try to convict this person if I was on the jury was the fact that the forensic evidence was not done correctly. There was no way to have anything to prove what time they were killed. The forensic pathologist did not do his job correctly meaning there was no way to really know when this happened. One of the individuals that came into the house and found them made a statement and kept saying the pool of blood was wet. Many years later he’s now changing the statement to it was dry? That tells me that he is desperate to have this boy convicted because he thinks he’s guilty. He told, this witness, the truth the first several times he was asked which was right after it happened; when it was fresh in his memory. Coming across a scene like that there’s no way this person would not have noticed if it was dry or wet. No doubt in my mind he changed the story later so he could get this guy convicted. I also think this guy’s attorney did not do the right thing by not putting that gentleman up there who would purchased the guns. That also would’ve put major holes into the police story. I know they were worried but so was the prosecution. If your client is being charged with murder of all these people you got to do your job right.
Also, I am so tired of hearing this person must be guilty because they acted this particular way at the funeral or after they were notified of the death. All of us react different. Not everybody becomes a puddle of mush and can’t stop crying. Also, some people just don’t like acting that way in front of people or in public because they don’t think it’s macho to act that way. There are people I know who internalize it and you would never know it was bothering them although they are dying inside. They are as stoic as stoic can be. Inside where no one can see though they are falling apart but they just refuse to show it. Also when you hear that his father taught them not to cry and to be that way at a funeral then it makes even more sense why he acted that way especially at his father’s funeral.
Police have got to do better. Police have got to stop immediately thinking they have it figured out and that’s their guilty person and no matter what it takes they’re going to make sure they bring this person down. I’m all for bringing down the person or people who are responsible for crime but by God it needs to be the right one or ones. From the very start they had already convinced themselves it was the son because he was mad about prom. They convinced themselves there was no way anybody else could do it so by God that’s who did it and we’re done. They moved way too fast and basically in their minds convicted somebody way too fast without the right or enough evidence. Yes it could be the son but before you decide that’s who you’re going to blame it on every aspect of the victim’s life needs to be pulled apart. Make sure you’re not missing anything and convicting some innocent person who didn’t do it. Would they want that to be done to them or to their family members? I can guarantee the answer to that is no.
If the son did it then he needs to spend the rest of his life in jail. However, with what has been presented there is not the evidence there to convict him without a reasonable doubt. This needs to be reopened and he needs a new trial. He needs the police to be honest and forthcoming. He needs the police to tell the truth about things that aren’t adding up or things that they really can’t say happened. I know to them it makes them look bad but it’s the right thing to do. Supposedly these are police that want to do the right thing. If that’s the case then show it even if it means making the police department not look like they did their job well. I really hope he gets another trial and all evidence for both sides can be given and hopefully the truth can be seen.
Talk much?
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo,
What you're trying to say is,...........
He needs a new trial?
And please don't answer. Because Words.
Wow , writing a book ?
What an amazing story! Well told as always. Good morning from Cyprus 👏👏👏
Amy, your hair looks so great! I can't tell if you got it dyed/cut/styled or I just haven't seen a video of you in a while, but it looks gorgeous! And so do you, as always🥰 thank you for these videos, I've never heard of this case before. (And even when you cover cases I do know, you always come up with more information than I have ever managed to do)
The moral of this case is...
Never ever argue with your parents before leaving home...
You never know if you could be trapped in middle of a horrendous investigation without knowing!!!😖😵
Amy, love you! You and Chris have an amazing and easy to follow train of thought that makes it easy to understand and follow. I feel they could have dug around more and perhaps followed that mob link...felt they got tunnel vision for Jeff...
Im from south bend Indiana born and raised its cool seeing videos putting light on things that happened in our little city
Thank you for your documentary which I enjoyed very much. I especially enjoyed the fact that I could understand what the narrator was saying - far too many hosts suffer from bad diction and it was a nice change to understand what was being said.
Ive always been fascinated with this story as i live 4 miles from Lakeville Indiana. I was young when this happened and remember being terrified that this could happen to an entire family. And children.
I love the longer ones! Love you guys xxx
I am really liking the longer format! I love watching you two! Thanks for the great content!!
As a person who comes from a family of J’s, I gotta say it’s surprising the blended family all had J-named children (Jeff, Jolene, Jessica, Janel, Jacque).
That’s a great point considering they were a blended family!!
I remember this one! Thanks for recaping
I sure have missed your channel. Nice to be listening. Thanks for the great story but I wouldn’t mind if it was an hour long. You guys are great to listen to
The way you say ‘bags’ is just like my younger sister who was raised in a different region than me. So fun to hear on someone else. Great video💕
Lol “behgs “
Love y'all stories and how u go into detail.. Love ur channel love from Kansas ❤️💜
I was shocked when you said he was found guilty. You did a fantastic job breaking this whole thing down. I think one of our biggest issues with the justice system is that people have a fundamental lack of understanding to what beyond a reasonable doubt means. Based off the evidence you spoke of I can’t say with any confidence either way what actually happened. And if you’re not completely sure then the presumption innocence is suppose to be upheld, period. Great video!
You are a very good story teller with lots of heart put into the story your reading, Thanks for Sharing!
I love the longer videos!!! Keeps me entertained for longer ! And Amy you’re so pretty !
Apprciate you!😘 Thanks!
Gezz Amy this was a wild ride! I'm going to have to watch this again because I changed my mind 10 times! Love listening to you tell a story Amy. Tell Chris I said hi 🙂 peace and love to all!
Thanks you, and will do, thanks Martha!
@@TrueCrimeRecaps it's actually Mooky O I got a new phone and can't figure out how to change my name back LOL peace
Love this narrator, there is never a dull moment.
Really like Amy’s narrating! No offense guys, you’re pretty good at the info flow too! Thank you for the short-but all inclusive-crime stories!
I get caught up in every video you and your husband do you are both amazing in your detail’s thanks for all the good work
I wish more than anything that I could possess even just *half* the skill level of a confident and organized presenter like you. This is a complicated case for sure.
Hey Amy, this story is heartbreaking.
Idk it seems like the justice system failed them all (in a round about way) just a little of everything & nothing. 🤷♀️🥵
Alway's a great job telling these stories. I absolutely love you both my friend!!👍🏻👏😍😉💕💕
RIP Angel's 🕊🕊🌾💜💜
God bless 👑🙏🏻🕊❤❤❤
heartbreaking indeed...Thank you for you thoughts. 🧡✨
@@TrueCrimeRecaps 😍🥰🤗❤❤❤
Love you guys!! Such great information that is perfect for a little crime in half the time ❤️❤️
Great job telling us about this tragedy.. but girl!! Your hair looks amazing!! Love it!! You’re beautiful!
Wow !! I remember this being on Dateline or something and they went into detail about the step sisters point of view and she said Jeff always acted crazy and he thought it was funny to terrorize the girls and his step mom so idk 🤷♀️ part of me thinks they have the right person!! As always Thank you Amy 💜💜💜
that sounds like a normal shitty teenage boy who is upset his mother just died and his father is already remarried not a killer
They do have the right person.
So interesting. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I love both of your narrations it like watching a thriller on-a Friday night.
We love that! So glad you are here with us!😘
*I don’t understand* how you guys don’t have millions of followers! You both are so concise and give *all* & *only* the most important details meanwhile keeping it completely entertaining.
I think I can speak for the majority when I say that: for us that love true crime, and want to (re)listen to these cases but don’t always care to sit through the long, babbling videos, we genuinely adore your channel!
🦋🤍xx
Thank you so much Chelsee! We are working on it. SO glad you are here wiht us!🙌
Never heard of thos story thanks guys 👌 enjoyed the longer re cap could watch you videos all day 😀
Thanks Julie!
Thanks for the recap, horrible story told well
Thanks for watching!
AMY! You look STUNNING my dear! As always, thank you for all your hard work. Keep on keeping🖤
Love you girl! Thank you so much!😘
There’s too much circumstantial evidence to convict. I believe the crime scene was compromised from the beginning. Thanks Amy!
Great recap!
Thanks!
Awesome job on this! Wow!
Thanks a lot!
This is very clearly a case of shoddy police work and the whole town being so convinced that he did it that they didn’t bother looking in other possibilities
Please update when new events take place. Well done Video.
The son absolutely didn’t do it!! It was the father’s shady past that caught up to him.
I sincerely hope he gets his retrial - his Fathers past must be considered in the evidence.
Great Job Amy! Love something a bit longer.
another great video !
Glad you enjoyed it!
Amy your hair looks gorgeous! There is no way I could convict this person Beyond A Reasonable Doubt...
New subscriber here 🙂
Thanks for sharing this video with me, much appreciated.
That expression “it lit up like a Christmas tree” occasionally (and very inappropriately) makes me imagine a really gruesome and grisly Christmas tree 🎄.
Like, what kind of person has a Christmas tree that looks like it’s sprayed with blood or other body-fluids.
A Christmas tree with that eerie white-blue glow that luminol produces? Huh huh huh?
Who?
And why did we have to bring “Christmas” into this?
Of all the things they could have said, someone had to say “Christmas tree”.
Personally, I have never ever seen a Christmas tree, with lights, that immediately makes me think of a crime scene.
Next Christmas I’m going to start saying -
Wow, your Christmas tree is all lit up like a crime scene, it’s beautiful.
Just sayin’
Is there a petition going around that will try and get Jeff released from prison and get him a new trial?
Seriously. He definitely deserves a new trial. Somehow I don’t think Kim Kardashian will be advocating for this guy, unfortunately!
@@gwenjackson8583 it's all Kim's fault!
That last one was something I didn't see coming. I don't think he would do that over not going to prom but if it was someone else why would they put clothes in the washer? It's really a strange story.... Love y'all's channel.. 💜❤️
Been waiting for a new one!! 😃
Hope you enjoyed it!
@@TrueCrimeRecaps I did! Nice to hear a new case, too. 👏
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Amy, I'm sure you know the name for where the blood is found in the veins, but for anyone who doesn't know it is livor mortis. I'm sure you didn't want any body to be confused! Thank you for another great video!
Livor*
@@melissamccleary9611 thank you! I shall fix it. I was using talk to text.
I remember this story back when it happened, and it never sat well with me that it seemed like the cops were looking for reasons to 'say' it was Jeff, not 'prove' it.
Tuff one. I don't know if he's guilty. Seems like to much reasonable doubt to me.
Love that podcast of hers especially since she grew up here where I’m born and raised and her first 2 seasons were crimes based here
I have no idea who killed that family. I don’t know enough about it.
It seems to me, however, that the alternate theory and corresponding evidence should have been turned over to the defense and was not. This is a Brady violation and almost always grounds for a mistral. And should be so here unless I’m missing something.
I like the fact the recaps are short(er) thsn some others.
I personally would love to see more clips of original investigation pictures and videos such as 911 calls and interrogation videos.
I know you guys put a lot of work into these videos so I'm not criticizing I promise. Just saying a suggestion I have.
Thanks for your videos I've subscribed 😊
Beyond resonable doubt---No way !
This is so exciting not because of the murders but because I never heard of this case. I moved to South Bend in August of 1989 such a boring quiet town back then, I didn't have a phone or car just me & my 5 children walking everywhere. Now I know exactly where Lakeville is and know a few people that live there. Thanks for the upload 👏 The police dept here has had it's share of Corruption Lakeville is in St Joseph County so I would question it too.
Great recipe love your channel , I can’t judge weather Jeff is innocent or not ,I hope he’s innocent ,thank you guy !
Oh my goodness!! So horrible! I just can't see how they convicted him with so much reasonable doubt 🤷♀️.
Great telling of this story 😊❤️. May I say btw... Your hair looks so beautiful 🥰. God bless this family🙏❤️RIP🙏❤️
I can’t see this as the son that killed them. The police made a right mess of the case, and I believe Jeff needs another trial. Thanks Amy for this one hope you and Chris are both well 👍👊🇬🇧🇺🇸
Well told!
Seems like a highly undertrained pathologist and police
I've seen so many videos where the accused wasn't prosecuted or found guilty just because they didn't have eye witnesses to the murder and there were multiple people in the house; or the body wasn't located. On the other end of the spectrum, here Jeff gets found guilty with literally zero physical evidence.
I watched a video awhile ago about a wealthy man and his wife who were murdered in their long driveway, at the time the male victim was in a legal dispute with his ex business partner. Based solely on the business partner saying some nasty things about the victim publicly, the jury convicted him with zero evidence of contact with hired killers, no money trail leading to the possible killers, no physical evidence that he'd done it himself (he had an alibi) and he got life for the double murders. That case stuck with me, especially when I see cases (true crime addict) that seem like an easy conviction and the suspects walk away without charges, and then there's cases like this one..... and I wonder how the lawyers, judge and jury members were even allowed in the courtroom to decide someone's fate.
No way that poor kid did it! I hope he sues the shit out of the city, the state and the police force. Tragic. That poor kid.
From the information I have heard here, I would have held my ground that he was innocent, EVEN if I was the stand alone hold out. I would much rather a suspect have a hung jury and be guilty than to have an innocent person put in jail on suspicion.
It's unfortunate because obviously the jury had their emotions in it. When you're deciding the fate of a human being you should definitely leave your emotions out of it, and I know it's hard because we're human beings, but this is someone's life. Based on the evidence there's no way in good conscience I could have been on the jury and found him guilty. The prosecution did not present enough evidence that would have swayed me to give a guilty verdict.
I watched this on a show not that long ago and it wasn't as detailed so it led you to believe Jeff was the only suspect and the only one that could have done it. I am glad you added to it so now, i just don't know.
Great video! I feel like it was 50/50 with all the iffy evidence and witnesses. They didn’t do a great job with the investigation they were more worried about closing the case
They wanted to close the case. He could only have done it if he committed the crime the day before. There was not enough evidence to find him guilty. 🙄
I like how you say bag “beg” love it !!
Thanks for the recap. I think 1 of two things either Jeff did it himself or he had someone he knew do it for him. I mean truly nothing is impossible.
Nothing is impossible...or sometimes, anything IS possible. Thanks for watching Nicole.
Don't let their kids cry! Wow great leadership of the community!
I wouldn’t call getting grounded from Prom as being overly disciplined, the guy committed a *Burglary!* he broke into a person’s home and stole money and cd’s, the homeowners could have shot and killed him while he was inside their home, or he could’ve hurt the homeowners if caught. I think his Dad was right to correct his son after he carried out a very reckless and dangerous crime!
Finally somebody with common sense
Knowing the pastors past this sounds like a hit. It doesn't make sense that a hitman would rub the entire family out, though. On the other hand, shooting somebody in the face is personal and indicates rage. That could point to the son. Going with my gut instinct, I do think Jeff was railroaded.
Another well-done, interesting episode! Chris and Amy rule