Rogue Ohio Deadlift Bar is Too Stiff?
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2022
- Have seen this comment a lot when it comes to deadlift bars. In this video I discuss why I feel the Rogue Ohio Deadlift bar may not be the best actual bar, but still might be the best buy.
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Love every time you upload something man. Always happy to hear your honest take on things.
I appreciate that!
Great comparison. I had the Rogue DL bar in bare steel, but after using the Texas DL bar in cerakote I sold the Rogue and bought the Texas in OD green. Preferred the whip and the knurling.
Right on!!
Just got a Rogue boneyard deadlift bar in cerakote. Barely any blemishes for much cheaper. Really happy with it. It's my first deadlift bar, so I didnt realize how the same aggresive knurling as the powerbar would feel much sharper in a smaller diameter bar. Would love to see a stainless steel deadlift bar from rogue with either a stainless sleeve or the new sleeve finish that wont blemish from use as in their Rogue Ohio Bar 2.0S bar.
I know some people have been talking about it, but haven't seen any SS bars in production. I wonder if there's some fear with a softer metal like SS that it might not work so well.
Great review as always! I still have yet to deadlift with anything other than my Titan Fitness barbell. Definitely need to get a dedicated deadlift bar, or a power bar that can give me a little something better to work with.
Right on!
After having and using all three Rogue, Texas, and Kabuki I am in camp sell. Texas seems like the best for most powerlifters because it’s used in the most meets currently. Kabuki is the bougie nice to have one especially if you can get it in Nickel.
Agreed
I just got mine and realized it was very stiff, which I personally like because I train strongman and too much whip would make me think my deadlift was better than it actually is.
Good point
Great comparison! I say sell it since you need to thin the herd anyway and you clearly favor the TDL bar and the Kabuki DL bar will likely become your fave soon enough. Agree about the price point too.
I will likely be doing that! Need to make room :)
bought the Rogue DL bar from the boneyard for under $200 and have been very happy with it. Bare steel and knurling on it is really aggressive. Switched back to deadlifting with a regular bar lately for no reason at all.
Good to be able to do both!
I have the Rogue Ohio DL bar and I like it for DLs (compared to my power bar). I've never used the Texas DL bar but I do enjoy a good amount of flex in the bar when deadlifting.
Right on, maybe better you don't try it, you may want a Texas after lol.
Thanks for this review!
No problem, was overdue.
God, I love your videos haha. I feel like can relate to the pure honesty in your reviews!
Appreciate that man
@@BasementBrandon, what would you say is the bar that has the most wip that you have used?
@@tannerconley44 Right now Kabuki
1) Excellent use of the wine analogy. 2) I am very fond of my ODL… but that’s partially because it was one of my best Marketplace grabs!
I've been guilty of getting too caught up in specs at times, at the end of the day though it won't make much difference to most!
@@BasementBrandon that's what we expect from you man! I appreciate the details. I think it makes the manufacturers better, too.
Most of us aren’t strong enough to notice much of a difference. I just like mine for the diameter. Wish Kabuki had their out when I was in the market.
P.S. #TransformerBarReview
Always the case as soon as you buy something, something else catches your eye.
Should be interesting if USPA starts using kabuki more, I love whippy bars personally
Prob take them a while to change over. Def at the bigger meets!
Uspa texas will never use it. Their set on texas in texas plus they get a phat discount
I was happy I bought this bar as my introduction to a DL bar, I look forward to getting the Kabuki and varrying my training between the two. Thanks Brandon, I agree with your take on the bar!
You know things are getting serious when you have more than one DL bar.
I have use wagon wheels so those push out the weight more, I notice good Bend especially in comparison to a regular power bar
Right on!
@@BasementBrandon a "fun" video could be using bars for their unintended purposes. Kabuki deadlift bar for squats, rogue squat bar for deadlift etc
Those Plates make all the bars look phenomenal!
agreed
I don’t even want a deadlift bar, I just like hearing you talk about barbells. Cheers
My man
Buddy Capps passion drive and purpose led to one of the best bars I’ve seen and trained with.
Yeah he's an icon in the strength game. They have some interesting things up their sleeves for this year.
I like my Ohio Deadlift Bar. Plus the Boneyard is a great value. Cerakote bar was $275 shipped with tax. A pretty good deal.
Exactly!
Recently I’ve been in the market for a deadlift bar, but I’m waiting for Texas to release their new deadlift bar that Jamal Browner has been deadlifting with. The bar without knurl around the sumo pulls looks dope
Strongarm Sports make a Sumo Deadlift bar like that.
@@meatbasedvegan4859 I’ll check it out!
How do you know they’ve gave Jamal a special unreleased bar? Where was this mentioned?
@@brandonhoover2120 Jamal mentioned it on his stories and uses it to pull sometimes. This was probably around a month ago
@@brandonhoover2120 his instagram, he posted a story a while ago.
Tip for anyone in Canada looking for a poor man's deadlift bar - the fitnessdepot Northern Lights Black Oxide Olympic Bar is 28 mm and 44 lbs. I have no affiliation but have used it for the past 8 years and it still holds up. It's not quite as whippy as a genuine deadlift bar but is reasonably close if you put a hexlock collar on before the 1st plate to push the plates out further from the center. It'll take 600 lbs no problem (I can't comment on anything over that but I'd be confident it could handle more). And it's currently only $130 Canadian Dollars! Highly recommend for a garage gym user.
The StrongArmSport one is really nice. Canadian company!
Uspa has said they plan to switch over to exclusively kabuki bars for all national level and up meets once they have enough for 6 warm up platforms and the two comp platfotms
So at the rate they make stuff sometime in 2042.
@@bmstylee as far as I know uspa is receiving priority to fill the meets, I spoke to the pres of the federation about it this weekend, he runs the tested national and world meets, and the fit expos here in CA, they will be all kabuki by may for nationals and worlds
@@ciscokidcspf I see. So the people who keep the lights on at Kabuki (consumers) get to wait so USPA can get their stuff. I don't get why Kabuki just doesn't expand to meet obvious consumer and commercial demand.
Haha might be waiting awhile then!
Do you think the shorter length of the Rogue's would be helpful if I plan to lift on a 8' or even 7.5' platform? Or would it not matter unless I'm filling out the entire sleeve with plates? The Kabuki is wider than most platforms!
Dont think it would matter much unless you are confined by wall space on the sides.
I wonder if there is a market out there for a "spacer" system of sorts that pushes your plates further out so that you can get the feeling of a longer deadlift bar with a regular powerlifting bar. Would be interesting to know what type of interest there is in that sort of thing. As long as you aren't already maxing out the sleeve, that is.
I just use lock collars if I need spacers. They make them in all different widths.
They make those (3d printed) but most just use collars inside!
Another honest review! 🚀🔥🚀🔥
I try to make one every now and then. Have to offset all the lies and deceit.
My friend bought the ODB from the boneyard had about a solid inch of double track knurl he hated it just gave it to me. I don’t think I’ve polled with it in almost 2 years so maybe one of these days I’ll set a new PR
Hard value to beat!!
Great video!!
Thanks John!
Personally I prefer the pool noodle as a deadlift bar. Shit knurling, lots of whip.
Floppin all over.
Is it a bad idea to put a collar before the plates (and after for it to hold the weight) to space it out further? Might give it comparable whip...?
Nothing really bad would happen
Can we get a comparison of the TDL coatings? CK vs Chrome vs Bare vs Zinc. Heard the TDL knurl is like a coinflip. Thoughts? I know you only have the ck so how do you like the knurl on the ck?
I have used bare steel and black zinc Texas bars as well. Bare is the best feel by far, then black zinc, ck being the worst. Fills in too much of the knurl and is hard to master application.
That’s great but the olive drab cerakote ODL is one of the most beautiful things I have. I’m married by the way 😂
Can confirm. When I bought it, I stared at it for 3 hours.
@@GayFlyingSquriell my guy
As someone with red/green colorblindness I'll have to take your word for it.
I love mine. I got the same green cerakote. It’s beautiful
You could always get lucky (like me) and get a black cerakote DL bar from the boneyard for $195 💪
Nice!
Hello Brandon. Now that you've had the Kabuki DL bar for 9 months or so do you still think that the Texas DL bar is the best one? Do you still feel a bit unstable at the top of a deadlift with the Kabuki due to whip or have you gotten used to it? If money was not an issue which deadlift bar would you recommend? I really trust your opinion and I need your help here. I just can't decide between these two. I'm not sure if the Kabuki length and distance between the plates actually becomes a hindrance if you are doing anything other than singles or PR's. Thanks buddy. Oh, and please no dithering here. I'm counting on an affirmative answer from you on this. And remember that money is not a concern here for me. Thanks Brandon. No pressure but I'm counting on you to not leave me out here in the deadlift barless wilderness. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
If one wanted to buy the bar to get the most out of, it would be the kabuki IMO. That’s not to say Texas isn’t good, but kabuki will give you the most flex (and better knurl to me). The downside of this is however the rebound may cause you to miss at the top depending on how much weight you’re using.
I’d be interested to see what would happen if you slipped some spacers on the Rogue bar, so that the bar has similar plate spacing.
Or 2 sets of collars to get it even further out.
I heard if you put a collar on the inside it whips a lot better, haven't tried it yet though and don't care to lol
It wouldn’t do all that much it’s still the shortest deadlift bar out there. The Texas is 2 inches longer and the kabuki is a whopping 8 inches longer than rogues.
I think you would get a similar effect using a set of 45# bumper plates on the inside. I do this anyways since its quieter and saves my plates and floor.
One way to find out!
Brandon I found a Ohio deadlift bar for 40$ at a play it again sports I love it great bar ! 💪🏼
Damn that's a good deal
Yep I got the bare steel boneyard Rouge bar. Bang for the buck is how I roll.
My man
Do you think having the rogue crash pads and the dc blocks in the middle to be at same level of the pads good to do deadlifts equivalent to the deadlift platform you have on your videos? Trying to keep quiet when bouncing the plates/bar while doing deadlifts.
Would def work. I've also found just controlling the weight on the descent to be the biggest factor.
What did you think about the Rogue Deadlift bar knurl? It's super aggressive, more than the Power Bar! Thanks.
I find the knurl to be very similar personally. If I compare close up shots of the knurls it's hard to spot a difference. Maybe b/c of the smaller diameter it feels like it grips better?
A stiffbar is good when training powerlifting. Might feel harder, but its gets you used to bars used in competitions in my area atleast
Def easier to go from stiff to DL bar than it is going from a DL bar to a stiff one
I got the Ohio DL bar from the boneyard and I actually prefer the knurling over the Texas DL bar.
Right on
Question Sir. Where are ISF bars made? Great stuff. Cool channel.
China I believe, company is based out of NJ.
@@BasementBrandon Thanks.
I appreciate the sommelier reference. We don’t all need $1000 French wine, Boons is fine. Another video I enjoyed with no interest in the product. Thank you Brandon.
Appreciate that man!
I love my strong arms sport sumo deadlift Bar Except for the simple fact that I cannot believe they did not manufacture it without power rings So I had to do some measurement and paint my own on i own a Ohio Deadlift but to be quite honest I hardly ever use it I prefer the overall performance of the strong arm sumo bar even when pulling conventional read one of the comments from somebody else and if the Texas company is making a deadlift sumo bar with only knurling in the middle I’m gonna be looking for it🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
I ordered their conventional deadlift bar and after 2 weeks got refunded because it was sold out, so then I caved and bought the rogue Ohio deadlift bar instead.
I really liked my conventional version as well.
Would love to purchase the boneyard DL bar but it is never in there like the other bars are. Any tips?
I actually have a Rogue deadlift bar that’s barely used.. has some minor water spots from a couple drips off my furnace I didn’t see. It’s zinc black with bright zinc sleeves. I’d part with it for $300 shipped.
They restock quite often, just have to check frequently!
wtf was that clip of the boating incident haha def wanna see that whole video, the sheer terror from the onlookers as the woman accepts her fate
Haha was floating around the internet a year or so ago and I thought it fit in nicely.
Hey Brandon! In your opinion what is the best deadlift you’ve used in your time? Been looking for one for a while
Hey Jack, best deadlift bar? deadlift jack?
@@BasementBrandon apologizes! Deadlift bar
@@jackminnella8466 Mostly the TPB has been the best, followed by the ISF bar. I do feel like the Kabuki could take the number 1 spot but I haven't been able to use it as much as the others yet.
Thank you, Brandon.. good info... I never knew there were actual bars for deadlifting. What is the benefit of the flex in the bar? Compared to just a regular Olympic bar?
Basically lets you pull yourself into a more optimal position before the weights break the floor. Think of it like a rack pull almost in that sense. Less range of motion.
@@BasementBrandon Makes sense... I can see that! Thank you!! Have these type of bars been around for a long time or something new? Just curious if they were around 30-35 years ago?
@@CliftaFIT Yes, I think 80s for sure. But only really in powerlifting meets.
@@BasementBrandon Oh cool! I just went and watched my powerlifting meet from 1992... and it didn't look like the bar really bent, but maybe not enough weight to make it bend some? It was 240 lbs... would that be enough weight? I'm just curious... I like learning new things... lol.
@@CliftaFIT Usually most people say you can't "feel" much slack on it until the 400lbs range. However some feds (like USAPL or ones that tie into IPF) only use a power bar for all 3 lifts. Easy way to tell is to just see if the bar is longer than a traditional barbell. The feds that use deadlift bars also usually use squat bars too (longer and thicker).
Brandon - "Black shaft coming your way." I thought for sure there was going to be a smile.
I say that phrase several times a day so I'm used to it.
I definitely like the texas way more. One thing I noticed when I was the using the Ohio bar was this weird shaking i was getting when doing near max lifts. I never had this with the texas bar and it was very consistent for over 3 yrs of using the ohio bar. I haven't maxed out in the 1 plus month since returning to the texas bar so well see. I definitely like the knurling better on the texas bar as well. I just don't see the point of the ohio bar. I've never seen it in contests and its inferior in basically every way. I don't know why rogue hasn't updated the design. The knurling needs upgrading and they need to match the texas bar in size.
Why upgrade it ? Just buy the Texas DL bar if you want those specs. More options are better than everything being the same imo.
I get your points, the only thing I would likely do is increase collar size, or push them out further. I actually like the knurl on mine, never had a grip issue.
Where does the strong arm deadlift bar lay from best to worst?
I'd say it depends. The one I had was great and I'd put it right in the middle with all of them.
3:06 lmao... again great review 👍
Thanks my dude!
What’s your thoughts for a non competitor just lifting to get stronger. Do you need a deadlift bar? Do you beed a power bar?
You can get stronger with anything. I got a stronger deadlift not even doing deadlifts and just doing sandbags, squats and good mornings lol.
Simple answer, no. Any barbell can help you get stronger, but I do think getting a better bar is worthwhile if you're going to be using it a ton, some of the extra benefits like it being stiffer, better knurling, more knurling, better build quality, etc will pay for itself in the long run.
Love a good nerd out on barbells!
Thanks my man.
Great video
Thanks man!
Hey bud . Would you say the rogue dl bar is a bit easier on the hands means it has a volcano knurljng? I have a Texas qmd i find it has too much bjfe and was thinking of selling and getting a rogue one . Would like to hear your opinion.
Yes it is not as "sharp" (volcano vs mountain). The texas provides more flex however and is the better overall bar of the 2 in my opinion. Maybe just strap up to save your hands?
Oh okay. I'm not too concerned about the whip as I don't go over 5 plates very often. I more less like the diameter and I was thinking the Rogue would be a better suit for me as I much rather the feel of a volcano if it bas a simular feel to there power bar .
@@tadleyironwood7595 What I would do if you're not in a rush is to keep your eye out on the Boneyard for one of their DL bars. Better deal and since you have a Texas right now, prob wouldn't be a pain to wait.
I’m looking at a Valor brand deadlift bar, used. Any experience with those? $125 is the asking price.
Only 2nd hand feedback. Good value, but not as good when it comes to knurling or whip of higher priced bars.
Not really sure you answered the question.... is it too stiff? Or not stiff enough??
It's stiffer than the TDB which is the complaint most have, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter for most.
I like doing sumo. I was looking at the titan sumo bar. Have you tried that if so what are your thoughts?
The only DL bar I know of from Titan is the Blues City one, which I would def avoid.
@@BasementBrandon 1st thanks for the response. What about the one from bell's steel it is only knurled on the inside of the bar ? Have you used that one
@@richt5986 I've seen it but have not used. I used to have the conventional one and it was good. Only downside to the import brands is sometimes quality is hit or miss depending on which batch you get.
@@BasementBrandon I like doing sumo and the bar has no grip on the outside. I thought it would be sweet. Thanks for the response. Probably going to order the bells of steel thank you.
Always dig your content. 🏋♂️
#35's
Thanks Thomas!
What are your thoughts on the Bastard Deadlift bar?
I have not used it, I have used their power and squat bars though. They're decent quality but I think they're similarly priced than better options in some cases.
Looking at the website Rogue bars in general seem to be lacking. Sort of a jack of all trades approach. Although I had to buy the Ohio PB in all stainless, it looks awesome.
You think so? They have a stupid amount of bars in my opinion.
@@BasementBrandon I think Rogue is great for smaller diameter bars and for finish options. But their specialty bars are surpassed by the competition, deadlift bar, squat bar, trap bar, safety squat bar, buffalo bar (does rouge even make one?), etc. That said I own their rackable curl bar and am eagerly awaiting the OHPB.
@@richards6431 So I think the Rogue Squat bar in SS is likely the best squat bar on the market for most people, Grippy without being annoyingly sharp, SS fully knurled shaft, not ridiculously long collars, and a solid price point of
@@BasementBrandon I stand corrected on the squat bar, that thing looks nice.
Apparently Titan came out with a Deadlift bar and it’s listed at 28.5 mm. I’d imagine it’s even stiffer than the Ohio DL bar 😬
They also came out with a 28mm power bar lol, can't make this shit up.
@@BasementBrandon I have their Blues City PB which is 28.5 and comparable to a Texas PB. Did they come out with a thinner version?
@@ShaneTumminello Yes, called the Maxxum. 28mm stainless steel.
Tough choice, Rogue is running a sale right now $300 + $5 to ship (if you do the five for $5 shipping deal) in the 48 states. So Texas bar would be $100+ more expensive. Tough choice for me. Thanks Brandon
To me it makes the most sense to grab them when they're in the boneyard. They were just there 2 weeks or so ago for like $200.
OMG 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 nice editing with the boone’s farm boat people 🤣😂🤣😂
I'm not sure if that's even still a thing people drink. Maybe should have said white claw.
man that was the first time I have seen that lady falling off the boat..that was hilarious
Such a train wreck
Haha dude that clip at 3:07 is so hectic
Train wreck for sure
What about the oki bar
I'm not sure it holds up to today's standards
You think this bar is worth the cost if you don’t lift that much say below 400pounds. ? Been hearing if you don’t lift heavy is not worth it.
I don't think you'll get as much benefit out of it as someone who lifts heavier, but it can still be a fun bar to use, especially if you compete in a federation that uses one.
Hello! I have a question. Why are there two knurl marks on the bar: 81 cm and 91 cm?
There are only one knurl mark per side for power bars and deadlift bars. You'll often times find dual ring marks on olympic weightlifting or cross training bars. The inner mark is powerlifting standard, the outer mark is weightlifting standard.
Really, in the IPF technical rules there is a mention of the 81 cm mark required for the bench press. But in the IWF Technical Rules there is no indication of either the 91 cm mark or any other marks at all.@@BasementBrandon
@@silnyi-narod If you look on page 48 of the IWF technical rules & regulations you'll see where it discusses it.
On page 48 of the IWF technical rules there is a drawing of the bar with a mark of 91 cm. But there is no information there why this mark is placed@@BasementBrandon
@@silnyi-narod General reference point for grip
Is deadlifting with a 27mm better than a 29mm? I've always used a 29mm power bar.
I use a power bar too. Less flex.
A 27mm deadlift bar will flex a lot more making the bottom part of the deadlift easier. I’d rather train harder, and if competing using the easier more flexible bar.
@@clownpocket if you deadlift a lot of weight, you need to be aware of how the whip will behave, at 500+ the whip can yank you around if you've never used a dl bar
Theyre different. Train both.
The answer is, it depends. If you compete in a fed that uses a DL it's nice to be able to practice with one. Usually most people can pull more on a DL bar. If you compete in a fed that uses a stiff bar, using a DL bar in training and then having to go stiff usually throws people off and they can't lift as much.
I just deadlift with a Texas Power bar. From what I heard it tends to flex anyway when the weight gets heavier.
Haven’t had boons farm since I was 16.
White Claw perhaps?
I just throw some clips insdie the bar and get sum more whip
Right on
Did you film this on a green screen?
Nope just in front of my rack. If I green screened it I would have added some hair to my head.
Gonna start saying I'm using a stiff bar when I use mine now to make myself feel stronger, thanks! Haha
All the cool kids do
I love my Texas bar the rogue is defiantly stiffer
Right on!
Two inches makes all the difference. #amiright? I have a meeting in 8 minutes. Thank God this video is only 5:30. Otherwise, those folks would have to wait. LOL! Boone's Farm in the basement for the win!
I think I may have dated myself with boones farm references.
@@BasementBrandon Finest wine 15-year-old me ever drank! 😉
Drinking boons farm and getting effed up, love that !
🤡
Lol......no drunk chicks were harmed on the filming of this video.....brutal bro😲
RIP
Ever thought about doing a blind "taste" test? Have someone load up a bar and you try to deadlift without knowing which bar it is to see if you can actually tell the difference.
I think the only issue may be comparing things back to back. If you're pulling heavy enough to get the most out of these bars, the person might be too fatigued to do multiple tests.
@@BasementBrandon But it would make for a good video!
Brandon. I'll buy this bar from you??
You local?
Damn sorry for the late algorithm
I was worried for a min.
In europe you cant find these bars under 500 euros :/
I'd prob try to source a more local DL bar.
How would the Ohio deadlift bar acted with 500lbs
It has less whip than other DL bars.
barely whips at all, not much more flex than a regular power bar, only good thing about it is the 28mm shaft diameter. I really don't recommend it, get a texas or kabuki dl bar. Can't go wrong with texas, and honestly as a conventional puller I''m not a huge fan of the kabuki bar, it's a bit too whippy for my liking. Ohio dl bar is trash, don't buy it
I'd go diving for 35lb plates!
lol
I actually find that the Rogue is a better bar for deadlift! We train using the Rogue, and the Texas feel so much easier in competition!
Might be helpful that’s why I’m considering the Texas bodybuilding bar for possible deadlift training. It’s the length of a standard bar but it’s 27mm.
@@mikep1584 having access to a boneyard option make it easier and cheaper to use a rogue deadlift bar!
@@KronosPR1 very true, but I’m gonna experiment with the bodybuilding bar. I think if the rogue gives a good training effect transfer to the Texas bar in competition than the bodybuilding bar being 4 more inches shorter will transfer great while not going completely to a stiff bar so you can still get used to the whip.
That's a valid point. My first time using a DL bar was in a meet where I'd only been training on a power bar. PR'd my deadlift that day lol.
ISF is very affordable
They used to be my top recommended one but with the price increases the boneyard makes more sense to most now IMO
“There’s no such thing as too stiff” -my lady friend
hey now!
nice to know it's stiff some people prefer stiffer deadlift bar.
Always easier to go from stiff to a bendy bar, then to go from bendy to stiff.
Am I the only person that’s irked by the fact Rogue’s power and deadlift bars get the “Ohio” designation but not the squat bar?
That is a bit strange!
All the pros that want to lessen bar whip know to crush 2 Viagra tabs into the chalk bowl prior to the session (insert Rick Flair Woooooooooooo)
Lol
Rather be too stiff than too soft 😂
Lol
Rogue is nowhere near as good as Texas for a deadlift bar.
Texas has unique bending deformation in steel and heat treatment.
Rogue is simply copying
I wouldn't say copying, there are a lot of DL bars out there, each with their own quirks.