Transgender athlete's historic win stirring up controversy
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- Опубликовано: 23 мар 2022
- Controversy brewed up again Florida Governor Ron DeSantis declared a Florida native the true winner of a female collegiate swim meet where a transgender student won. Our panel gets heated when talking about transgender women playing in sports, even though the NCAA has ruled in favor of it.
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Talking about women sport with no real biological women in sight 💀
Exactly!
For real 💀
Trans should complete against other trans
Yeap. Their own fair play Olympics with trans fans. Each one can have their space.
Complete and utter Bull$#!+. Stop calling him a women. He's a dude.
There is not a single woman on that panel.
Just transgender females ..very sad
Literally
And i think i wanna thank the real men who's protecting real women 😭 🙏🏻
This is the highest form of misogyny, to have a man participating and competing against women in a woman’s competition. Also, there isn’t not one woman on this panel speaking for women.
I used to discount it, when Feminists called out 'Marginalizing and Erasure of Females' - BUT now, especially about the issue of MTF-Transwomen competing against Biological Females in Competitive Sports, I find myself agreeing with them.
I find this situation to be completely unfair to Biological Women - and no amount of 'Gender Ideology' from the Trans-Activists has made me think otherwise.
This is just Nuts!
@@carljacobson7156 - it's because of feminists that this has been allowed to happen. Those same feminists screaming for years about the evils of "the patriarchy" & "misogynists" *SAID & DID NOTHING* as trans women started invading women's spaces.
@@darthmom1019 That’s because the NCAA and other organizations didn’t care when they did say something. Do your research.
@@ShanteRoxxane - PART of that is true - the NCAA just didn't want to be "canceled" by the woke mob & instead of looking at facts, they went with feelings. There are more athletes than those that run the NCAA. If all of those athletes took a stand & refused to participate in the nonsense, things could change. Say & do nothing = nothing will be done or change for the better.
They can't because they not females. I bet the male nature would be exposed real quick if they physically were attacked. I see it like this, they will stand before God 🥰
When you exercise in a male body, you are training in an elevated hormonal state of testosterone that a female would never be able to meet naturally. You also have denser bone. Larger lung capacity. When you go through puberty as a man there are certain things that never go away. It is not discrimination. Simply a fact.
I agree. Had Lia transitioned prior to puberty or just around that age, say 13-14 we might be looking at a different situation. I don’t know how the collegiate panel decided to let something like this pass without a full account of the science and clear examples to show there would or wouldn’t be advantages and disadvantages.
U are aware that trans-women are on estrogen and hormone blockers?
I also hear wht u are saying. I believe it's not fair if the trans woman had to go through their natural puberty. The male will most certainly possess all those advantages but if a person went through their transformation before and while in puberty, then I'm on the fence about it, and don't have enough information to have a opinion.
@@dunique26 Considering we now have real life examples of what that looks like I see physical differences between those who transition younger vs older. They are actually on a series of hormone treatments. Suppression and replacement are both a part of hormone therapy in order to redirect the body. Jazz Jennings comes to mind. She began the physical transition at age 11. If you look at her, she’s not recognizable as anything but a regular female. She has literally lived the majority of her life as a female. Lia seems to have pursued life differently. While that’s 100% okay, I think that she should recognize what physical advantages that extra time has given to her over other non trans women swimming. If I were in that position (I’m a female by birth but if I was a male transitioning to female), I would feel morally and ethically obligated to walk away from the sport and be who I wanted to be without that desire harming others. Especially the female group that I wanted to be a part of.
Yes yes. Thank you!
This has nothing to do with phobia or whatever they are calling it. But with biology
Do you know what he said at 4:46 about the 1980s
I am not transphobic in the least. My niece is trans and I adore her and will always support her. But Lia has benefited greatly from puberty and testosterone. She's over 6 feet tall. Her wing span and shoulders are huge. She has a definite advantage in the pool over biological females. It's unfair.
Exactly! I agree with u
Unless his festivals are in a jar for all to see. This is BS.
Wake up! He`s a MAN!!!!! Not a she!!!
@@urbanabrandon
Even if he's castrated(he's not) and taking female hormones he's still a male. His chromosomes, DNA and body build doesn't change.
Exactly ! This is no competition there!" he/she" was 450th in the men's ranking ,now no. 1 in the women's ranking ! A clear sign that there is a massive advantage .
Where are the women? This a discussion about women and no women are speaking.
Let those real men waste their time on those peops
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Im tired of this shi+
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It's time to have transgender sports teams. Their kind can compete with each other.
I totally agree!!!!!
I agree
Exactly since their argument is usually “my hormones have made me weaker” or stronger if you’re a woman going into man then by their logic they should be able to meet each other in the middle with their own league lol
There are not enough of them to make it happen
The only problem they would have with that is that NO ONE WILL BE THERE TO WATCH OR CHEER THEM ON other than Chris Wallace and Shepherd Smith.
The trans community can't hold a convo without getting their feelings involved this is so annoying
That's because their whole Ideology is built on 'Feelings'.
Their arguments lack Logic and Reason - it's pure Emotionalism
There's no self-reflection - just attacks on any who disagree with them
@@carljacobson7156 I agree. Anyone that doesn’t call them queens or show support is “transphobic “ but this is a case of unfair biological advantage (in this video).
They're better at throwing their handbags down compared to real biological women.
And they are not willing to listen to anything…. Totally denial
Have a transgender team. Problem solved... And, call the team, the "TRANSFORMERS".
If that's a woman,then I'm a bus!
Ok. You're a bus.
It's not Hate to want to have fairness in woman's swimming team,it's common sense what female wants to see a man's private parts in a changing room my wife and I have been married for 35yrs and if you ask her would she like seeing my private parts she would tell you a big fat no!
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Today you actually can afirm that. Today i am John Lennon.
The wheels have come off the damn bus more like
She has a lot of balls
Awww Nawww!
lol
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Yea literally
He got the whole package.
I think they should have their own division make it simple for everyone
yes great idea the same with every situation like bathrooms just add a third one
exactly.
Yes, Exactly!! Why aren't transwomen fight for their own category??
Agreed
I couldn't agree more. Let them have their own division.
Yes it was a historic win,
it was the first time a man won in a womens NCAA swimming competition. Call
me whatever you want it was absolutely unfair to the female competitors.
You are level headed
You use common sense.
why don't they just create a new category for transwomen and transmen in sport this has gone too far
lets be real. if "she" wants to compete in athletics, she should compete against the "men".
"She" has a penis and testicles and dates women. The whole thing is a complete joke.
He did and was just mediocre
The events could be open to all, but it does generally make more sense to categorise beforehand. Either way, it is always possible to establish an overall winner, a male winner, a female winner, a winner in an age group, etc.
He
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I agree with respecting rights to identify how you feel however as it concerns to competing it’s not fair....
Agreed!
I agree.
I agree😂
I Don't AGREE!
@@empresspizarro9616 Show the science that supports that this is fair and equitable to other female swimmers. My agreement is etched deep in objective scientific facts not feelings.
Having a year of testosterone suppression and no surgery, it is not fair. Hatred is not the word. Fairness and even playing field. Biology is Biology as far as physical strength etc. It is unfair!!
The only reasons this he/she or “it” is competing on the girls team is because he/she or “it” sucked terribly when he/she or “it” was an actual man.
just say she 💀
he was 499 when he was in the mans team now he is N01
@@slinkiegirl2001 can you show me a source saying she is NO1?
@@aurora-gc4zy on the euro sport they said he was 499 ranked and he is ranked N01 that is what i heard
@@slinkiegirl2001 ranked NO1 in what? 499 in what?
If they weren't obsessed with their bodies then they wouldn't need to try and replicate a womans body. They make no sense!!!
Was looking for this comment 😂 they so stupidly showed themselves up because that is why we have transgenders because they were so obsessed about how their bodies looked to them and society they transitioned !!!
Born a man and change the body parts but you still have the strength of a man. Not a hater just a realist. Come on!
Trust me I am gay and I am embarrassed. This is pure nonsense. Whoever passed this to begin with has no brain
Competing this way is biologically unfair. And what’s up with their “community” always being ready to fight, being aggressive, and having the mentality that we must all conform to their beliefs?
Cause that's what men do 😂🤯🤦
When you’re being attacked, then aggression is the automatic response!
So true. Regardless of how a person"feels" or relates, there are facts and there are truths. The truth is he was born physiologically a male, and the fact is he will die physiologically a male. This is an unfair disadvantage if nothing more than on a physiological level. It ultimately is like taking steroids to enhance your physiological advantage. This has nothing against trans anything. Right is right and wrong is wrong.
@@7jclark
That's how those of us who
disagree with men competing in womens athletic events feel. Attacked and aggressive
in response.
That can be said about pretty much any community throughout history.
At the end of the day it's doesn't matter how I feel when it comes to transgender people. But I will say this it's not an even playing field. Lia was born a man and that is fact. When she before the change he competed with men and didn't come close to winning he came in 554 place as a man. So he figure let me transition to a woman so he can be competitive. NCAA needs to create a transgender sports competition for them. To me this is totally unfair!!!
Man need to play on the Man team he still is man
You sound like a caveman. 😆
facts
He is still on pills and tratment to eliminate his man parts.
Can you not say male? Never heard of that word? Just say males need to play on male teams
Females need to play on females team. It is much more accurate and right to say it and write it like that.
How remarkable that the very moment that she went from being a guy in a male swimming team to a woman in a female one, she immediately became a total champ.
Must have been all that happiness from finding herself, I guess.
Seriously, how can she not look at her own achievements and wonder "Huh, did I really train that much harder since transitioning?"
If you can't make it in a man's world, just change your sex to get over, by using your physical man strength and stamina. Bravo DeSantis.
Well, looool, nobody can ''change your sx'' at all sooo. Literally impossible to change it.
They can only alter their looks, not change anything, get it? Maybe now you will understand real facts.
The thumbnail pic is absolutely disgusting 🤮
It's not transphobia.
I’ve made no transphobic comments. The trans women on the panel need to stop being so offended and look at this issue objectively. As a transwoman Lia has very prominent male traits that give her a predisposed advantage over women in this sport. I’m fine if she wants to compete but handicaps should be in place to even the playing field. I also feel like as a sportsperson Lia should’ve walked away from swimming. She knows that she has an unfair physical advantage and competing against women who are clearly physically weaker is just wrong. The fact that she can’t fathom that and the trans women on the panel can’t either, blows my mind.
They should have their own division to be fair
It's WRONG-
And there's no RIGHT about it...
This Country's backbone has gone to pot...💯💯
Are you kidding me.....this has to stop..... men race men and women should race women PERIOD❣️
Joe (guy with the glasses) why are you MAD 😠
Why is it that every time someone says something about topics such as this that Lia should not be with women swimmers and they speak to a transgender person your comment if you're against it you have to be transphobic. Please stop just because someone disagrees does not mean they're transphobic. It's just they have an opinion just like you do if you're transgender. That cannot be your only argument for everything without you as a transgender person really thinking it out instead of immediately going to the transphobic argument. Give it some thought process what's being said before you automatically say someone is transphobic. Everyone has an opinion. And also check the facts. Without having your feelings hurt. If someone disagrees with your opinion they are not transphobic.
that word is used as a trigger word to make you back up the same as anti anything. Now days truth is wrong and wrong is truth
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My exact sentiment. When ppl disagree based on the norm of what they believe, they are "phobic" of everything. However, even now as I write this, this is the very reason we are having this issue, ppl desiring a non truth to be a truth. Biologically speaking, biological DNA does not favor opinion. It's only humans that will try to make what we desire to be truth even though everything else says otherwise.
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Leviticus 18:22-23
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself there with, neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
Leviticus 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Deuteronomy 22:5
5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.
There’s no way around these scriptures💯 it is what it is. Don’t even try to put a twist to it because the lord and Most high god isn’t the author of confusion. I can’t make this up💯
“You’re a Man you shouldn’t be Sassy 💁🏼♂️”
😮💨🔥😭💀🤦🏼♂️
Bold as hell to say that on national tv he’s the goat 🤣🤣💯
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As a man, ranks 554th.
As a woman, ranks #1.
That says it all.
All I can say is Jesus must be coming soon.
This is getting crazy people want me to act like I don't see a man but he says he is a woman and I call him a man don't get mad at me
its a man baby!
I love it when trans people say the way they identify has nothing to do with their sex, but when it comes down to competing its not their mental identity that they are competing with. It's the body that they were born in that they have to use that competes and unfortunately that body is the opposite sex regardless of what your mind wants to think it is. Therefore men need to compete against men and women against women. Taking pills, surgical intervention, or clothes does not change the underlying issue
hunh? It IS their mental identity they are competing with, that's why the dude is racing as a woman because that's what he claims he is.
@@catsincredulous9998 Exactly lol A CLAIM = NOT A FACT! Loool. Only a claim, not reality, bye.
Needs to race,Jenner. For championship.
Agreed
Jenner would still smoke him! Theres a reason this human was ranked like 400 in the country.
That was like watching a debate with no Brains. A lot of people that agree with the guy on the top left, are most likely nothing like the guy on the bottom right. The arrogant guy on the bottom right with that ugly smile was just rude, so he achieved nothing here. He's clearly not smart enough to be debating this topic, so he goes into insults. The bald guy made some sense, but he was up against two people that are completely in denial about facts. They are too busy taking things personal and feeling insulted instead of thinking about the bigger picture, and what this is doing to women sports.
WE NATURAL BORN WOMEN SHOULD NEVER BE SUBJECT TO THIS UNFAIR ADVANTAGE...IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH HORMONES ARE TAKEN, THE FACT IS, A MAN, IS A MAN & A WOMAN, IS A WOMAN~WE ARE NOT THE SAME WHEN IT COMES TO STRENGTH...THAT'S THE REASON FOR MEN'S COMPETITIONS & WOMEN'S COMPETITIONS
Amen
Beating biological women lol. Unbelievable. 😒
Not hatred. Right is right and wrong is wrong
He's really got some balls competing against biological women
Literally
literally...
@@YuTuboTuTubas sorry i posted the same as you before i saw it!! We think the same way ;)
This isn’t a win for Lia, it’s a loss for all female athletes.
The other panelists are just telling their truth as they see it and know what a man and a woman is. Men declaring themselves a woman and wearing a wig and a dress does not a woman make!
He couldn't win against the boy's, so he out swims the girl's. They need their own team's.
What's with all the apostrophes?
They don’t let women fight on the frontlines. That was a lie
Solution, let transgenders compete in transgender compititions.
To me, it's like she couldn't compete as a man, so she transitioned in order to dominate the female swimmers to improve her competitive ranking. Seems unfair. Did she transition after finding out that she couldn't compete with the men? 🤔
Come on every1. Let's face it. The swimmer transgender does not have an advantage over the girls. Why do you think he finish 523rd with the men. And 1st in the women. Clearly there is no difference 🤪
You are HILARIOUS❣❣❣...Lolz
Here's 5 grown men debating a joke with multiple interpretations. But, it's still a joke. Let's go back to reality and normalcy, people!
Seriously? Historic win? WTF is so historic about it…he’s a man competing in womens sports and of course he’s gonna dominate in it but thank God for governors like Ron DeSantis setting the record straight of who really won…saying that this is historic is nonsense…nothing historic about a man beating some women in womens sports what it is though it’s it’s embarrassing not historic if they want to compete let them make another bracket for trans people THEN if they win fine…
Save Women Sports and Rights!
I will be voting for Republicans this year!!! Why doesn't Trans-sports exist? This is the easiest solution.
As a Veteran Woman myself, let's address the military woman pulling men "out of battle" scenario. It is a life saving tactic. It does Not mean that women can Compete with Him! It is no comparison.
The Army has seperate Men and Women Physical Fitness Test because of the Physical and Biological Differences!
5:25 - 5:30 - “soo much obsession with TRANS bodies, we as TRANS people ARE NOT even that obsessed with our bodies” - lmao 😂😭🤣 but, YOU ARE though - last time I checked thats one of the first things TRANS people change THEIR BODIES. 🙄
The one thing I agree with Ron DeSantis on
I am so sick of this foolishness. You can drag ANY full grown men off the field as a woman regardless. you cannot CARRY a full grown men off the field as a woman. That is the difference between a man and a woman.
It was apples to oranges when people tried to compare being gay to being black. But they saw fit to make the comparison AND benefit off the comparison.
So why is it apples and oranges when the comparison is identifying as a Native American to get financial benefits???
The only opportunity dude can get recognition in swimming community, by becoming a 'fake' woman.
Entitlement knows no boundaries!!!!!!
I have nothing against transgender. But we not talk about this like it is normal. Because this is so unfair to the other swimmers who spent their lives training for this one moment. And just to have it taken away just like that. It’s just not right it’s so wrong on every level possible
Lets face it: we have a few reasons against transgenderism...but, we.have to respect them and tolerate each other. We dont attack them. But truth to be told this is wrong. Trans would compete against their own trans to be fair.
When he competed in the men's he didn't break any records, now he competes in the women's and breaks records, clowning, easy to do an analysis and see dishonesty, how can athletes accept that? It would be very good for she's to go to dispute and not enter the pool, I protest now!!
I totally agree that only REAL women should compete in womens sports
Wow I agree with the second man. He is saying what everyone is thinking.
Unfair advantage
remember when "phobia" meant "fear of" back in the old days?
Remember when the word racist meant someone hating and treating people of another race poorly?
Now it means white people, and only white people, who don't hate themselves and work towards destroying their own culture and bringing about their own extinction.
This is not a trans competition. Is a woman competition.
What a damn mess- but I do appreciate the irony of having an all bio male panel debating the long-fought
-for right for females to compete in sport equally, as men do.
If elite male college athletes were suddenly losing all their medals to females who transitioned and were jacked up on testosterone…only kidding, that has never and will never happen.
This is motivated by an inherent hatred and disrespect for _women_. There is an overwhelming entitlement. Lea Thomas and others don’t ‘just want to compete’, they don’t ‘just want to play sport/swim/run’. It isn’t motivated by ‘being an athlete like everyone else on the team’ or ‘Following their athletic dreams like the other competitors’. An athlete wants to be _the best of the best_. They want to go up against the fiercest competitor. They don’t want to compete against the lowest seed, or the slowest swimmer. Because they are motivated by greatness, getting better and better until they become the best.
Lea Thomas and others doing this are doing this because their contempt for women is so great, they want to take from them. They want to revel in their loot, in front of an admiring crowd which celebrates and validates their victimhood and delusions.
If they were true athletes, they would find a worthy competitor. They are motivated by attention- no, more than that- celebrity. They want all eyes on them while they take what they believe they are owed.
As far as the panel- it was a damn mess. It’s like cisgender men and transgender women said “We will send the worst possible people to represent our community”.
Maybe this century a _female_ will be invited to discuss issues impacting _females_.
These Transgender people should listen to Caitlin Jenner, she comes at this as a Transgender woman, in a fair way...
You. Are. A. Man. Born, you. Still. A. MAN. God. WILL. JUDGE
so i guess we need Title 10, TransSports
This is easily the stupidest discussion I have ever watched. 5 men arguing about rights. The world is going mad. Im outa here.
And the comparison with the military is ridiculous. Women have different standards they have to meet FOR WOMEN! They aren't the mens standards.
In sports there should be 3-divisions; male, female, and transgender. That will level the playing field.
That mouthy he/she makes to want to smack it. Can’t control itself when the others say something it doesn’t like.
Why is identifying as a woman linked to lip gloss and long hair? Is biological sex somehow linked to fashion and accessories?
It’s a full grown body of a man regardless if u put lipstick on
She may feel she was born in the wrong body. I believe that she does feel that way, but think about that…. She was born in a boys body when it should have been a girls. She unfortunately should not be competing in the same category of other females due to that unfortunate fact.
I realize it would be very sad if they (trans) could not play in a competition-type sport with the gender team they identify with, but their physiology does not allow an even playing field, even if this is due to a biologic mistake at birth they had no control over. And saying this point of view is simply transphobic is absurd, it is just not fair to the other competitors in the sport.
The trans saying how dare you call me a sir well how dare Thomas wreck everything the woman trained for. Get real look at L/Thomas's build long hair doesn't cover up the man's body & muscle.
Did he just say women fighting on the Frontline in the military. The military is constantly changing the PT because the WOMEN are failing at an alarming rate. So I doubt they draging someone off the battle field. Why is the first word out of their mouth transphobia, just because you don't agree with them. Trans never have any valid arguments, just word salad about nothing.
I will be praying for you guy's
So well put. We will pray too. May the Lord gives them repentance and forgiveness. We all have our topics to solve. They have theirs.
Thanks💚
@@YuTuboTuTubas 💯
Where are many trans women out there who are speaking up against Leah Thomas, It would have been great To have a couple of them included in this debate.. Biological women are going back in time and losing their rights, I feel awful for my young daughters who are very athletic and who won’t have a chance in their sport of choice if there’s a trans man competing against them…. If you have biological daughters please stand up against this madness and fight for their rights… this is just the beginning … they will lose opportunities to go to the Olympics, to get scholarships, to compete with integrity.. this makes me sad for them so many years to give them rights and now biological males are coming in to take it away in the most unfair way..
Rooted in fairness not transphobia.
In order for this to be fair then transgender should compete against other transgenders
I don't like Desantes at all, he's creepy and wants to rule the world and he literally thinks he owns Florida and does whatever he wants. However, this Tran's is definitely built like a man, still looks like a man and I didn't know this was a coed swim meet.
I don't think the runner up had a chance...he she should not have been able to swim in this meet.
This is total silliness
Tex made me crack tf up!😂
I think Caitlyn Jenner said everything that needs to be said on this as a trans gender woman and athlete.
I love these white men😂😂😂They was putting them men in there place 😂😂😂
The black trans tried to come for his bald head 😂
@@hinatababe97 Factz 😂😂💯
nice grammar
This madness must STOP!!!!!!
this is sooo unfair
Preach sir...you still a man. Period. His features still look like a man also.
I think I'll be a boy today................but I'll be a girl tomorrow. B S
A phobia is a fear. These words are constantly misconstrued. Having a different opinion is not a phobia.
Ok. Fox network messy. But I agree with. These white men on this.
This is just wrong!! I'm sorry but I just don't agree with a transgender woman competing against biological women.
The two trans on this debate are out of their depth. Can't believe they are even trying to justify him competing with women. Just calling it transphobia doesn't win you the argument
Their body type is different
"You don't know that!" 🤣
Look at them standing on the podium, dude looks like a beast in comparison
That ain't no damn woman!!!
Dude couldn't win against men so HE now picks on REAL WOMEN 😠
Been training athletes from across the spectrum for decades.
All coaches and trainers say the same thing: Create 'Open' divisions and leagues, where anyone can compete. Done.
This panel is a joke, this conversation went nowhere.
Women’s sports were a joke and not worth watching before trans athletes entered. Now there is real competition and drama. Every time I tune into a Lia Thomas swim meet I’m excited to see which lucky lady comes in 2nd.
Lol! 😃🤣