Review: Sony's Budget Ligeti Box

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  • Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
  • OK, you don't get the words in the vocal works (and there's an entire opera in here--Le Grand Macabre), but the performances are all splendid, and with nine discs at budget price you really can't go wrong. Yes, the music is challenging, but Ligeti was a genius and his fascinating creative mind is everywhere in evidence.

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  • @maxhirsch7035
    @maxhirsch7035 Год назад +11

    It's not easy music, but not punishing either- it's rewarding! One of the most brilliant and singular composers of the past century. Not without a subtle sense of humor at times in his work. I've gone long stretches without listening to discs of his work (I have a bunch) but always am fulfilled when I return to them. He has a beautiful, pellucid tombstone, BTW, you can view it online. He truly embodies the ethos of 'sound consciousness' (actually the name of a class I took in college once, before I consciously knew what it was!).

  • @CortJohnson
    @CortJohnson Год назад +3

    “If you want easy - go elsewhere”😊. Thanks for the introduction, Dave.

  • @davidbo8400
    @davidbo8400 Год назад +2

    I think I'm going to listen to some Ligeti now. You've given me a really splendid idea for tonight. Short but sweet presentation, very nice. Thank you

  • @paulgthomas84
    @paulgthomas84 Год назад +3

    The complete Ligeti edition was shared between Teldec & Sony - this boxset is essentially Sony's part plus Le Grand Macabre under Salonen. The Teldec portion has mostly orchestral works, indlung the Concerti

  • @jg5861
    @jg5861 Год назад +5

    It's a fabulous collection. I have the original releases which give us Ligeti's own liner notes. If you complement it with Teldec's "The Ligeti Project" (the de facto continuation of the Sony) and Aimard's CD "African Rhythms" you'll have his complete works almost always supervised by himself. It's a marvel!

    • @murraylow4523
      @murraylow4523 Год назад +1

      Agree completely and I have the same combination as you. His liner notes are fascinating!

    • @llucrescu9058
      @llucrescu9058 Год назад +1

      You can also add "Clear or Cloudy" DG 4CD boxset to your collection.

  • @FCarraro1
    @FCarraro1 Год назад +1

    I remember vividly when I was a teenager and I used to listen to Ligeti violin concerto while I was waiting to get a haircut. One of my favourite composers, even if I don't listen to it as much.

  • @horsedoctorman
    @horsedoctorman Год назад +4

    Pierre-Laurent Aimard recorded the final 3 Ligeti etudes on a CD called "African Rhythms" alongside music from Steve Reich and Aka Pygmies

  • @UlfilasNZ
    @UlfilasNZ Год назад +2

    How about a survey of Messiaen organ cycles? Surely people are lining up for that one?

  • @benoit9988
    @benoit9988 Год назад +2

    There is a Teldec 5 cd box who completes this one. Sony had gave up the project and Teldec had followed. There is the orchestral stuff including Atmosphères of course and the conertos.

  • @annakimborahpa
    @annakimborahpa Год назад +2

    1. Dave's message appears to be that anyone who loves this composer's music should immediately order this box set 'Ligeti split.'
    2. I recommend listening to his Lux Aeterna when you're in the kitchen cleaning an interminable stack of dishes with Lux Lemon Dishwashing Soap.
    3. Since:
    (A) Ligeti was born in 1923 in Transylvania, Romania that later became part of Hungary
    - and -
    (B) he composed the poly-rhythmic Hungarian Rock for harpsichord in 1978,
    - then -
    (C) was he finally able to provide the long awaited and definitive answer to the question posed by Bobby 'Boris' Pickett in his 1962 chart topping smash hit Monster Mash: "Whatever happened to my Transylvania Twist?"

  • @abendrotfernweh2843
    @abendrotfernweh2843 Год назад

    Finally, Dave speaks more about Ligeti. Thank you!...

  • @murraylow4523
    @murraylow4523 Год назад +2

    Inspired by Dave, I’m listening to the “mechanical music” disc that’s in here. “Continuum” is actually rather easier to take on the barrel organ than the harpsichord! And the études on the player piano(s) are really important as they create the effect of super-human virtuosity. Not that you’d get this set only for this disc, but all this might be hard to find any other way.
    It’s interesting that although Ligeti did some electronica early after escaping Hungary (available in the teldec/Warner box) he thereafter avoided it in favour of more “clunky” and maybe fallible machines. He had a great deal of influence on various forms of popular music, ambient and electronica, which is one reason that, in my experience, Ligeti is still really appealing to younger music lovers. But he avoided computery stuff himself.
    If anyone here is a bit iffy about him, but likes Bartok and wondered how that could develop in the future, I’d say Ligeti is the most important answer. If you bear in mind the importance of bartok here, it all becomes much more easy to take. Remember the barrel organ effect at the end of the 5th quarter! And I gather that it’s a joke going around that Ligeti’s first quartet is really Bartok’s 7th :) If you listen you’ll hear why.

    • @llucrescu9058
      @llucrescu9058 Год назад

      I have the same feeling when I listen some of the works of Ligeti, him being a continuator and developer of Bartok language. Especially works from his first period.
      Actually, I better understood his first quartet, only after I understood that it's in a way a further distillation of Bartok language. Of course, that is not to say that Ligeti wasn't his own man.

    • @murraylow4523
      @murraylow4523 Год назад +1

      @@llucrescu9058 Of course he was his own man, but sometimes to get an orientation it’s helpful to know where someone is coming from. For example, I’m listening to Atmospheres right now and it sure does have some Bartokian sounds in it ! Not just the microintervals but the general inspiration of those night music pieces. And later on, he gets even more nostalgic for the Hungarian stuff, like in the Violin concerto or the sonata for solo viola. In the last of his orchestral works, the Hamburg Concerto for horn and four natural horns, we even get a movement that’s a distorted passage from Bartoks concerto for orchestra :) So he really developed all that but it’s always there somehow

  • @jonmb834
    @jonmb834 Год назад +3

    The bagatelles for wind quintet have loads of tunes in them. They're very post-Bartok, with a bit of stravinskian neoclassicism.

  • @daviddorfman320
    @daviddorfman320 Год назад

    A german-language reviewer on Amazon gave the following 2-star review, translated into English: "There are some beautiful pieces by Ligeti that have been used in movies. I assumed that the complete work reproduces more of this aesthetic. Far missed. The majority of the pieces could be poinitert but aptly described with intestinal cramps of the Valkyrie and recruiting singing of the maniacs. The best pieces are still the arrangements of Hungarian folk music, in which Ligeti did not completely fart the original melodies." Listening to the vocal music CD in the collection, I have to think Ligeti would have approved of this review. I already have Fredrik Ullen's BIS recording of the complete piano music, but can't pass up all of the other goodies in this box.

  • @robertdandre94101
    @robertdandre94101 Год назад

    we have all known, the people of our generation, the works of ligeti thanks to the 2001 film odyssey of space by stanley kubrick.... and the desire to know more about this composer.....

  • @lonchaneyfanch9568
    @lonchaneyfanch9568 Год назад +2

    And if you could choose only one work by... Ligeti ? By the way, do you manage to include contemporary composers (dead or alive) in your serie of "only one work" ? That should be great :-)

    • @murraylow4523
      @murraylow4523 Год назад

      Agree, but would be a tough assignment given the ways his style kept shifting..

    • @lonchaneyfanch9568
      @lonchaneyfanch9568 Год назад +1

      @@murraylow4523 True. That adds to the challenge !

  • @johnwright7557
    @johnwright7557 Год назад

    Good to see Sony has reissued this Sony set for those who didn’t collect the recordings the first (or second?) around. Now Warner should reissue the second part of the edition/project originally on Teldec.

  • @Warp75
    @Warp75 Год назад

    I’ve got the Ligeti Project box from years ago I’ll have to check this one out.

    • @horsedoctorman
      @horsedoctorman Год назад +5

      If you can find it, I recommend a previous version of this box with a red cover - this has the bonus of including all of Ligeti's notes from the individual CDs, but not the libretti unfortunately. He had a dry sense of humour and the notes are well worth reading.

    • @Warp75
      @Warp75 Год назад

      @@horsedoctorman Thanks for that horse

    • @josecarmona9168
      @josecarmona9168 Год назад +2

      ​@@horsedoctorman , and with both the Sony and the Warner boxes you have (almost) Ligeti's complete output.