Matt Laidlaw called me out!
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- I made this video just to clear the air with two of my favorite RUclipsrs, Matt Laidlaw and Shadetree Surgeon.
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All good man. I just wanted to offer my perspective on the cost of the el Diablo. I wasn’t trying to correct you or anything. The fact is most dealers mark them up. So you’re right on that.
That's how I took it. Again much respect to you, the channel, and your dealership practices.
I have great respect for the both of you! I have enjoy both your content in your videos! It has help me in a informed matter! Ride safe
RESPECT 💯
I can say that Laidlaws is a dealer with true integrity. How can I cay that because that is where I bought my bike in 2017. Rick was my sales person and Matt worked up my deal. They also helped me get my bike shipped to Texas when I moved.
There are always conflicts in life but can say Matt is a straigh shooter not a slick sales person. I like both view points and presentation styles.
It all comes down to if you want to pay the price the product is being offered at it is worth it. Correct? Other wise walk away. The customer can say no.
To both, keep up the good content.
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Excellent way to respond and clear up any possible misunderstanding with integrity and honor. Totally agree with you that Matt Laidlaw is one of the best people and dealerships in the HD family. very honorable for them to sell their special edition bike at MSRP. My local dealer definitely marks theirs way up.
There is a rotation of RUclipsrs I do the rounds watching (You and Matt Laidlaw being amongst them). What i've always appreciated from you is your clear, concise honesty - I feel your take on motorcycles has been unbiased and informative and for that I thank you.
I appreciate that and that's exactly what I try to do. Nice to hear that's the message that comes across. I consider myself a Harley guy but if a Harley is bad or I don't like or agree with something I say it. Same goes for other brands that are good. If it's good I'll tell you it's good.
My local dealer had one. They were asking $31,749 for it. Not all that bad, but I’m not generally someone who’s willing to bend over quite that far. Props to Matt for selling at msrp. I respect that a ton. If only I had a local dealer with the same principles.
agreed. The nearest dealer to me is 110 miles away and it is owned by the same company that has two others that are the next closest. In the other direction it's over 200 miles and that dealer owns 4 stores. My point is that I can't get a decent deal on a bike. Laidlaw's is over 12 hours away and is still the only dealership within 500 miles of me that sells a bike for MSRP. Keep it up Laidlaw! Hopefully they don't sell out to these corps.
Ya the dealer near me I went to get i think 5 bolts for the pulley,chrome ones 50 bucks galvanized 10 bucks,ridiculous,if I can get the bolts elsewhere I do but sometimes you cant but what a rip off and when you walk in the dirty looks they give people is unbelievable would never buy a bike from those idiots usually I get my parts from an independent parts guy and someone I know do I save s fair bit of money going g through him.
Just be yourself. I subscribed because I liked your delivery and most of all your honesty!!!
Very respectful for you to clear the air! Says a lot about your character! God bless you!
I appreciate that.
Love the channel, love the honesty (and facts) you bring to the table on your channel. I have owned no less than 8 Harley motorcycles but have had plenty of metrics so I have been riding for 40 years and work on all my own bikes. I also admire your professionalism in dealing with comments and, I too, have lots of respect or Laidlaw. Don't change a thing brother, stay the course and look forward to your videos.
I like the videos. I subscribed after your Lowrider ST video. You were the first to point out the uneven bags. I didn't even hear that from some of the dealership guys. Thanks
Hey man. Don't worry about what others say and do, just keeping making great content for us to watch. Love your channel. Keep up the good work sir.
RUclips motovloggers have gotten pretty annoying over the past couple years. I'm a Laidlaw fan, definitely not a Shadetree fan. It would be nice if people stopped just trying to create clickbait. I do like this no-nonsense channel...keep it going.
Could not agree more.
I dig Laidlaw but not Shadtree. Would he get views if there werent chicks on there?
😄 I'm curious about why you aren't a Shadetree fan.
I was a fan of Shadetree for at least a year. I encountered him and his crew several times at events... Rude AF. They couldn't be bothered to have a real conversation. Even when I said something about liking their content, they didn't say 'Thank you.'; presumably because cameras weren't rolling. I get the impression that if they can't use your interaction for content, they aren't interested.
Also, that "charity" he's always talking about is a sham. I've been there and checked out the operation. A lot of the things they've said don't add up. And David (the charity dude) magically has new motorcycles after Shadetree started heavily promoting the "charity". And "Oh look.", David is going on road trips across the country on his new bike(s). Meanwhile, they're letting like 3 kids live in a shack on their property. That first bike that Weems auctioned off for the "charity" brought in over $100,000... then David gets a new bike. 🤔
@@jayteesgear the female novice rider channels are the worst. Everything from dating to makeup advice.
@@positivelynegative9149 Didn't know any of this. Anything else we should be aware of? Don't want to give clicks to guys like that, let alone subs
I love your humble nature. You are spot on! Thanks for all you do!
we all know you and Matt have no beef ......both of you are the best HD RUclipsrz out there ....keep em coming.....thnx..
I think all off you do great videos...Im a truck driver and the owner of a 2011 road glide and 2004 low rider..I listen to all of your guys reviews on motorcycles through my headset while im on the road...Very helpful and keep up the great work.
Your channel is always very informative, with no BS. My dealer in Wisconsin sold their EL DIABLO for MSRP. Another dealer in the state was asking $35,000.
Thank you! Yeah it's crazy the difference in pricing. Shout out to your local dealership that's awesome.
Good to see professionals and people with public profile b having respectfully and responsibly. Love both of your channels - keep it up guys 👍🙏
2nd attempt, I am having trouble with my lap top so I will keep it short. I enjoy the work both you and Matt put out. I am new to riding and owning a Harley Davidson and I count on both of you for my education on Harley Davidson Motorcycles. I have purchased five motorcycles from Laidlaws and always I have been treated with respect and professionalism. Out of the five I kept two. Triglide CVO and Road King Special. I have always paid Dealer Suggested Price. God bless you both. As long as you both put out content, I will watch. Yes I subscribe to both.
Keep up the great work!! You have a unique style of presenting your opinion and backing that up with what you feel is relevant. I enjoy watching several channels because of each unique perspective. Always appreciate your honest comments and reminding everyone its ok to disagree and have not hard feelings.
Yo man do you thing! We appreciate the honesty and transparency. Just continue it keeping it💯
I appreciate that! Thanks for the love.
My brother wanted the El Diablo. Our local dealership wanted an extra $1000 over msrp. He said no way. Now he regrets it because he can't find a dealership that will let it go at sticker price or 1k above sticker.
He has been calling around the country and they are anywhere from 3k to 8k over msrp (at that time). So 40k for the bike is spot on if you include all the extra cost from HD, 8k price differential and TTL.
Ahhhhh.....no thank you. Build your own for that kind of money 💰
It's actually 25k when you include setup, dockfee, tax title etc at least at my dealership. Still on the fence about getting one since my 2011 dyna isn't worth anything anymore and I don't want to "start over " building up that one. Love the content 🤘
You could hear fosgate system because you had stock pipes. Put exhaust on it you won’t
Keep doing your own thing. It's nice have variety in different RUclipsrs. And I can't wait to ride a Low ST
Appreciate it! Don't ride it unless you're ready to by one. I'm telling you, its GOOD! haha
Opinions are everyone's opportunity to express their thoughts. As long as there's no put-downs, it's just an opinion. One can't know another's thoughts or their "feelings." Agree to disagree and move on. Keep up the good work on your page TB..
Kudos to you for making this video. Shows character. I appreciate the honest way that you review bikes & builds. I also agree, wholeheartedly, with you about the value issue. I’ve always said that something is worth exactly what somebody will pay for it, but dealer markups have gotten out of hand. Keep up the good work, my man.👍
Agree with you 100%. I looked for an El Diablo and the pricing was outrageous...I had a dealer that I called and asked if they were selling at MSRP literally laugh at me on the phone and ask "What is MSRP" and I said 28k...and they came back with...."No...what is MSRP, as in we do not recognize it"....at which I said screw this and bought a Ducati Streetfighter SP for less than the El Diablo. I love Harleys, but I HATE the games being played by the dealerships. I have 3 Harleys and would LOVE to let 2 go to get a LR-ST but I will wait for the used market or will be patient for REALITY of our economy to set in at the dealerships.
Great clarification 👌. Thank you for your content.
I like my Harley circle of vloggers.
Helps keep me in the know. Everyone has there own style and way of doing things. Blip is very informative and always explains himself thoroughly, and never has to apologize, but that's who he is. Very concerned about what and how he says things. We'll keep the moto vlog culture the brotherhood it is and appreciate everyone for who the are and what they do. Hat's off to you all.
Let's Ride! 💨💨
You should probably listen to him, he has his PhD (Pappa has dealership.) Thanks Dad!!! JK you guys are both great, and Shadetree is a character and a half.
Throttle Blip, keep on doing what your doing. Your style is excellent, love the bits of comedy here and there. Matt Laidlaw has an incredible channel, I like yours as well and watch all videos on both channels!!
your videos are good you don’t want them to be the same as matt reviews keep up the good work
Congrats on the killer growth on YT my man. Definitely deserved!
Man it's still crazy to me how fast it's growing. Appreciate the love.
After dealing with two Harley dealers and all their fee's and BS ... I buy used and not from dealers.
Good, honest, intelligent video.
Thank you for making it, brother.
I subscribed to your channel early on, and I'm glad I did.
Peace
a couple of stand up gentleman! enjoy both of ya'lls content!
Did not see first video, however, you gave a clear, concise, and most importantly an honest presentation. Well done. There are so many formats on RUclips nobody can be everything to everyone. What caught my interest was your forthright and sincere presentation. Just keep being yourself. That is a quality that Matt Laidlaw exhibits as well so your in good company. If I can ask you one question. Is there a specific sound system upgrade I can put in my 2009 H. D. Roadglide that would enhance my riding experience? I am not even sure they would make something for an older bike?
I’ve always enjoyed your videos and being a fellow southern boy I like your style. I agree the bike is not worth $40K to me but if a dealer thinks he can get that much for one, hey go for it. I don’t think it does much for his reputation as a customer friendly dealership but anything is worth what someone will pay for it. Keep up the good work and ride safe.
You are doing everything perfect your videos are what I want to see as well as many of your other subscribers I’m sureI don’t want to see how to change pushrod tubes etc. etc. great job my friend
Everyone needs to focus on the future of Harley Davidson, the company, your dealership survival, and the vision of the new HD CEO and what he plans to do. Calling people out and creating confusion over BS means some become victims of social media hype.
I agree with you completely. there is no value in the extra 2 to $4,000 gouging upcharge the dealers are trying to charge. I just bought a brand new lowrider ST grey, made ONE out the door offer which included MSRP tax license prep. I did my homework up front, and my own numbers, and presented it as not a penny more. the dealer said it was a fair offer and he took it. Love my new lowrider ST and it is worth every penny I paid for it. This is a fair dealer who now has a new happy customer to spend more money on service and parts and be his biggest advocate for referrals.
Always enjoy these videos. You're awesome brotha!
Awesome way to address it. You doing great brother. The best way is the humble way. You are on your way brother. Best of luck
Throttle Blip I love your content. I love Matt’s too but he was throwing shade as he feels your RUclips review footsteps getting closer. No clarification needed, I knew exactly what you were saying from the start.
Just do what you do.. you got your style, and that's why we watch.. if everyone did the exact style reviews as content, then life would be boring haha
Ripper channel, dig it 🤘
Keep up with what you do.. cheers 🛵💨💨💨🍻
You're doing a great job! I understood what you meant the first time and agree sir. Love this channel and Matt dose good content too.
Please keep your content the same as it has been. It’s very good I wish there was more of it. I enjoy your channel. As for bikes being over priced, some Harley dealers are trying to bend their customers over and some aren’t. The one by where I live doesn’t. The 4 - 5 that surround this dealer by me do. It’s nice that Matt has not done that since he’s promised that a lot on his videos but as I said earlier, please continue with the way you do your Content.
Much respect to you for Clarification.
Keep doing what your doing. You have great video's. I love watching both you and Matt's channel.
Appreciate that more than you know. Like I said I still refer people to Matt's videos for deeper dives like the history of the CVO's etc. Thanks for the support!
I agree with you I’ve seen some Harley Davidson‘s just handled their customers outrageously and that’s nothing against Matt. I believe he’s honest and an upright dealer. I would buy a bike from but there are some Harley dealerships. I will not buy a bike ever again and my last Harley I bought from drove two hours Because I would not deal with the current Harley dealer down here
Love to ride, hate the price of new product. I have not bought a new bike for 30 years and will never again buy new. The value floating around in the used market low mileage bike is GOLDEN.
I agree. This bike is not worth 40k unless it has a 131 kit and a turbo on it. HD dealers mark their bikes up so far its unbelievable. Even the price of used HDs are astronomical.
Keep up the good work, I enjoy watching your videos 👍🏼
You’re awesome dude! Why is the Lowrider ST your favorite bike just curious. I have the Lowrider S stock and wondering what’s the difference besides looks as far as performance and convenience and lane splitting difference between them two as far as handling while splitting?
The way the bike handles is my favorite thing. Again that was a stock one. I can't imagine with bars, seat, and suspension. The power it made stock was awesome as well. A 117 in that size bike is a lot of fun. I love the Lowrider S also but the fairing and bags on the ST was a game changer. Where I live we can't split but when I was in CA I split from LA to San Diego bc traffic was BRUTAL! haha It's close but most people actually made room for me.
Selling at MSRP, Laidlaw's is an exception to the rule according to my experience and what my subscribers are reporting, $44K after taxes is the most i was informed a subscriber spent on the El Diablo and for ST, I was quoted $33k out the door back in the Spring. As long as people are willing to pay those amounts the stated MSRP amounts are as they say "suggested".
Stereo's on a motorcycle hah, next they'll adding a expressos machines and a ashtray in the 1/2 bath/powder room with an optional upgrade for a bidet and frilly curtains.
You do a great job with your channel. Surprised you’re not over 100k by now but keep going.
I appreciate that! That's the goal by 2025!
I'd like to see Vlogs about suspension upgrades. I know you probably don't have access to all the options, but maybe an interview with a mechanic who's installed a bunch or a rider you may know has recently added one.
i was asking for a red one as soon as the ST was announced, however i'm not a fan of the shaded striping on this, i'll wait 'til they release a solid candy red option then buy without the hype.
I work at a dealer in Cali. We sold our Diablo for 31k. It was sold before it even came off the truck. 🤷🏽♂️ I see why dealers charge a mark up. People are willing to pay it 🤷🏽♂️ more power to you if you’re willing to spend that much on a ST with a paint job
Dealers that mark up are trash.
Things are worth what someone is willing to pay for them. If somebody is willing to pay $40k for that, then it was worth it to them. I don't think that's worth $28k, but if you see the value at that price, bully for you. I do love the painted tins on it though. Put those, the taller shock, and the flat handlebar in the old $12k chromed engine Low Rider and charge $15k and I'm in. I'm fine with the 107. It's a croozer for heaven's sake!
Closest dealer to me is about 4 hours away. I overpaid for my 2020 Street Bob in River Rock Gray (Brown?). No one in the state had that color, that is what I wanted. So they made me pay. Am I upset? No. I sold cars for years and also power sports sales. I know the deal. I could have gotten a black one, for much less or a Standard for a lot less. I got what I wanted and enjoying my bike. I did get a discount for financing through Harley. 2 days later refinanced through Navy Federal took 2 years off my loan and interest rate 8.65%. Harley gave me 21% interest , WTF Harley?
You’re doing great @ThrottleBlip I would like to see more bike builds from stock to built.
Shadetree seems to be a solid guy. I watch Shadetree and Laidlaw often, and Iike them. I'm new to this channel and have only watched a couple videos but I like this channel as well
Laidlaw was throwing some unnecessary shadetree over a small blip.
I really like shade tree surgeon too.
I remember when you had like 100 subs. I firmly believe the reason the channel has grown is due to modesty and great factual info. Matt also runs a dealership so Im not sure but id guess they have markups? Markups are exactly why I dont have a bike right now. Id love a Softail Standard or maybe a Heritage but im not paying these insane markups. Maybe if we get Biden out we’ll see Harleys drop again. Do we even have a shortage anymore? Every dealership by me has like 12 new street bobs. Wutevs- keep makin great content broski 🇺🇸
You've definitely been here since day one. Appreciate you more than you know! Matt's dealership actually does MSRP and I THINK no dealer fees but don't quote me on the last part. I commend them for keeping Harleys affordable for guys like us.
@@throttleblip9854 i LOVE Nick and Matts videos and if theyre workin to keep prices down god bless em. I will definitely visit both Timms and Laidlaws in time. Keep up the grind and ride safe.
First, I am not a Biden fan, by any stretch, but WTF does he have to do with the price of HD motorbikes? Welcome to the supply and demand aspect of your capitalist country... when the president, or government, starts controlling prices, then you’ll find yourself wallowing in a communist collective... those sort of comments.. see election deniers, transgender bs, et al are why our country’s politics are beginning to drift into idiocy... seek the middle ground, mon ami, which dictates you take the high road. Everybody just needs to calm the F down! Trump is a greasy grifter and Biden is a complete hack... hopefully, we get a candidate who is not near to freaking 80 years old with loose screws falling out of them! Sorry for the rant, mate, as you seem well-intentioned, but I have had it with this bs from both sides of the aisle... Biden vs Trump is a joke... both need put to pasture...
You and Matt my two must watch videos along with hickok 45 !
My new HD dealership (Illinois HD) only sells bikes at MSRP. So, they did sell one El Diablo - for MSRP.
Good on them!
My dealer hasn’t moved theirs yet so I am guessing they have it marked to far above MSRP.
Well, well, I’ve got some puretty strong feelings on this subject. The bizarre thing to me is the fact that buyers are complaining that X Harley-Davidson dealer is marking up the bike by X dollars. OK sure, it may be disappointing and what not; it may even incur a disgust or even hatred towards that dealer for their greed. And the sad new for all the boys and girls out there in reality land is that life is full of disappointments and there ain't nuttin' guaranteed. But, since when, and I mean that sincerely - since WHEN - does a Harley-Davidson dealer, or any dealer of anything for that matter, take you into some back room, hold a gun to your head, and make you sign the papers? In fact, in my mind and to my way of thinking and experience (as a previous long time vehicle dealer) the fault/reason for dealers that mark these bikes up and continue to be enabled to mark these bikes up is …wait for it: the fault of the fouling BUYER, that's who! That dude or dudette willingly pulls his or her wallet out and peals out all that ABSURD extra money on top of the lofty-to-begin-with MSRP, is at fault, that’s who!!! It’s still a free country, at least I think, as that’s what I’ve heard ...and so thusly, the antidote to this MSRP padding practice is, what? Very simple: walk the hell away from it. Or, actually, RUN, don’t walk the hell away from it! In fact, in a free market economy, guess who truly actually sets the price? It’s the consumer! New, used, and every flubbin’ point in between on any product made on God’s green earth, it is actually set by the buyer because THAT is the person who wants to or decides to buy X widget for X dollars. It’s called supply and demand - first class in da classroom for Business 101 - look into it. And sure, if there are enough people willing to pay, in full, that exorbitantly padded price-sticker dangling from that bike, which results in a price on said that’s vastly higher than the actual Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price, then sure, that is what happens. But that does NOT mean, in any way shape or form, that YOU nor I need to partake in the scenario where "two fools met." The selling fool for asking the laughable price, AND the buying fool for actually buying it for the price "decided" on by the seller. That ridiculous game, well, umm...you ain't gotta' participate, see? Rather, just safeguard yer retirement or whatever yer savin' yer nickles for so ya don't haffta live under a Freway overpass in a cardboard box, and simply walk the hell away from it; period, full stop! Could anything be more simple than that? I think not.
From Southern California ~ Ride Forever!
In most things demand drives price. These are no different. Same as diesel turbo trucks, houses you name it. What something is worth is what you are will to pay for it.
That's very true. Just sucks to see people having to go to other brands only because the can't afford the Harley. They see the value their budget just doesn't allow it sometimes. Trucks and houses both are finally coming down so here's to hoping the HD's do also.
Does not worth a dollar more than MSRP. I cannot agree more . Thank you for being honest .
Here in kansascity they had a Diablo and they where asking 38,000!!!! Blip Your a great man and have great content keep doing what your doing brother
Hey TB, I went to get Road Glide and they were charging $8K over MSRP. Matt is the only one selling bikes for MSRP.
You have a great channel with very good content ! Now, $40000.00 hell no, there is now way I will pay that for any mc. Currently I own a 2021 RoadGlide Limited! paid msrp but yes my build is getting close to that number. Cannot see paying above msrp and then adding to that price because of upgrades, but to each their own. Have owned nothing but HD's in my 40 plus years of riding and currently have 5 bikes in the garage. Great machines and yes the lifestyle and just plain fun is expensive. Looking forward to more of your informative videos !
My dealership wants 34k before all the additional fees. They're asking 19-20k for Street Bob's too.
I hate that we now live in a society where people have to either apologize or clear the air for expressing their opinion. Especially in a case like this. What does one dealer selling at MSRP have to do with other dealers who we all know sell for way over MSRP? So yes, we can ALL see dealers selling bikes above MSRP or even 40k like you said because not all dealers abide by MSRP. I know the youtube community is brutal and you have to play politics at times, but just know we follow you to hear your thoughts and opinions.
The point of offering an OE package like this is so that it’s more affordable than having the bike built custom. It’s still overpriced. The regular Low Rider ST is overpriced. Harley-Davidson is overpriced. How is any of this news? And I’m a fan of the brand.
I always compare bikes to trucks. When I was in high school a fully loaded Chevy Z71 was 40k. That same truck today is 89k. I don't think most Harley models are over priced, things are just more expensive. I wanted the Lowrider ST this year but you;dn't afford it. It's not that it was too expensive, I just couldn't afford it. Plenty of Harleys selling every day. Something is worth whatever someone will pay and a lot of people are paying way over sticker for these bikes.
@@throttleblip9854 You’re hinting at the problem, one of many. Harley-Davidson used to be a blue collar brand. Once they went after the Boomer’s big money in the 90’s-00’s they never looked back. Zeitz doubled down on that making the goal to have HD be the most premium and exclusive brand in the world. The More Roads initiative that he killed when he took over was the path HD needed to be on. For comparison, have you looked at Triumph recently? I know the don’t make the same kind of product, but they’re every much as premium of a brand. The paint quality, materials, build, it’s all top notch and their prices are extremely competitive. It’s not just HD really, but Indian is expensive because Harley-Davidson is expensive, and BMW and Ducati etc etc. The market decided to cater to super premium motorcycles and now $20k for a motorcycle is a normal price, and in some cases it’s a budget offering! I’d love to say the base FLHT is a bargain for that kind of money but $20k for any motorcycle is just ridiculous for the average American. Thank God for brands like Royal Enfield who are making a quality product and selling it for $4000-$6000.
I’m a long time Harley rider and love so many of the bikes that Harley comes out with. I truly mean that.
However!, I think The motorcycle industry as a whole will tank even more than they already have because of ONE thing! PRICE $$$!!! The cost of a new bike is absolutely insane for what a bike is. New riders don’t get into bikes because they simply can’t afford a toy that costs them 600 a month. I told my eyes Evey time I look at a price tag in the dealership. I understand inflation and the times we’re all going through these days but……Damn! Even used bikes are insanely valued. Not 3 yrs ago I bought a 15 ultra limited for $14,500 with only 3k miles on it. Now I could sell that bike for what I paid for it or more. I hope things settle down and people can find the money to find the love of the road again
The bike would look a lot nicer if the exhaust was a 2 into 1 and those saddlebags were lowered 6 or 8 inches. The color is awesome though.
I wanted the low rider ST. Ended up purchasing an Indian Challenger.
For what's it worth, the El D arrived recently at my local HD shop. HD website for my country has it for AUD 39,995 ride away. A El D is listed by a private seller in the same state for AUD 55,000 ......
With the economic changes coming over the next two years the dealers that have avoided adding to the MSRP will benefit. I'd suggest the free ride of mark-ups is over even for the limited production machines.
If only youtuber’s could prevent things from getting taken “out of context”. Maybe something like…not putting big thumbnails that you know people will take as your words and then claiming they’re not your words. RUclips ain’t the place for nuance.
My opinion, Harley Davidson will sooner or later, price themselves out of the motorcycle market. I personally would never pay $40,000 for a bike when you can buy a good quality machine for much less, that’s only a few years old. My local auto trader has hundreds of used bikes listed every week. Just pick your model
My local dealer "sells at MSRP" but they tack on warranty/maintenance packages you are forced to buy if you want a new bike plus dealer fees. End of the day you're up several thousand over sticker, it's a marketing sham to say they stick to MSRP, they're as money hungry as they come. Used bikes are all 1-2k over what they're actually worth too, and they pull the "show you a monthly payment and pray you don't ask for term/interest rate" when quoting you financing prices as well.
Good on you that you took the time to make this vid, (shows your character)... Unfortunately, the attention span of most viewers(Laidlaw included) is half-assed and short, real short....don't waste too much time trying to tip-toe around your words and points.
I wouldn't apologize for anyone.. you're entitled to your opinion as I am to mine and laidlaw to his....the bike isnt worth 28k in my opinion.. total ripoff
Why do people complain about markup. Don't pay, don't buy. But people want it and buy it. That's what limited editions cause. And shortages. It's a lazy guys custom bike, which is good for that person. I think it looks good, but for $5k You can get a paint job that you want.
Having owned Harleys, there’s not one out there that I’d pay $28k for.
I've paid mid 20's, I don't know that I'd get into the 30's but I've spent that much building them.
Here in Belgium msrp is 30.495€ and all the dealers here sell it for that price.
Is that because of a regulation or is it their choice?
@@throttleblip9854 I'm not sure why it is, but I'm going to ask my dealer and let you know.
Bunch of grown men acting like 13 year old girls
Well said
I have owned several FXR Lowriders and Baggers Softails but The far is the best handling i ride it wide open ans love how they Corner you have to be a skilled rider to Drag the Thing so i rode SportBikes to get it done . But i will keep a Harley sound is what drew mw to Harleys and Loud only works for me ? Harley lets some Problems come to the consumer i have Gotten Two , Some Bad Design Flaws , The Eight might or might not Blow the oil cap off That should not come to a consumer and on the 8's change the place ?
So! The soap opera begins, days of our lives. Damn, people! The older they get the more sensitive they are, everyone needs to chill and take things lightly and laugh them off.
Matt seems like a cool guy
As a middle class American, I think that it's a shame that these bikes have become unaffordable to the everyday average joe. But that seems to be the trend with most everything these days. Shameful indeed!
Sounds like a Tupac Biggie beef between you and Matt Laidlaw
That bike is not worth 25k to close to 40k it is way over price that bike should have been easily under 20k no more than that way over priced . And I like your content you have NO BS filler , like others because they are more of a dealer promo and you are not ,do what you do and if they call you out that means you are growing and becoming a source for value review that might hurt someone's feeling but oh well can't make every one happy
Grown men getting into pissing fights over videos. They don't make baby bottles big enough anymore. And we're short on warm milk too, cows caught up in the supply chains. Have a great day everyone.
No problem dude. 👍🏻
Let's get a video on a motoblogger showdown, MMA style! Take it to the cage. My bet is on you & Matt Laidlaw coming out on top. Hahaha!
Hahaha that would be a good time for sure! Apparently a lot of money to be made also. lol