"Captain's personal log, supplemental. We're heading toward Federation space at maximum warp. The crew has responded with the dedication I've come to expect of them. And like a thousand other commanders on a thousand other battlefields, I wait for the dawn." - Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
This is such a mind-blower. She knew for a fact that Picard would survive, and that she had to kick Riker in the ass to save him when she went into the ready room to talk to him. I hate temporal mechanics.
I just realized the brilliant foreshadowing from the story of Nelson at Trafalgar. The battle was won, but Nelson never made it back, mirroring the ending scene from the episode where the Enterprise has the opportunity to destroy the Borg ship, but will kill Picard in the process.
Trafalgar is a funny reference point for a proud Frenchman like Picard, though. That battle was a catastrophe for both the French and their Spanish allies.
@@NiceTryLaoChe The world of Star Trek is pretty much behind atleast the militaristic side of patriotism though. It's as much history to them as the roman republic is to us.
In fact Patrik Stewart was considering to leave the show after this, therefore they came up with the Locutus story line as a opportunity to kill the character in part two.
Guinan was such a great character on this show. I’m so glad she went out of her way to reach out to the team and tell them she wanted to be a part of it, they never thought she would have been willing to be on the show otherwise.
“....Turn the page “ .....so well placed and done ... such a memorable line by Patrick Stewart ... facing fear and death eluding to the end of human civilization ...with restraint and without fear in a logical conversation ...it would make a Vulcan proud
If I'm not mistaken she was the one who asked to be on the show but they didn't think she was serious (I guess at the time she was already bigger than TV) which is why she wasn't there from the start. Apparently she wanted to be on Star Trek since Uhura was the first black woman she saw on TV not playing a maid when Goldberg was growing up.
stclairstclair Yes. Ever played Bridge Crew in VR? -Fire phasers! “Yes captain, but the touchscreen isn’t registering my commands.” -Give your finger more power! “I’m giving it all she’s got Captain!”
I love how Ten-Forward is only empty when it's convenient to the plot. A bar on a starship with three 8 hour shifts would always have people coming in for a drink (even if it is synthehol).
You mean the bar located inside the military vessel which holds thousands of civilians, even children? You should stop nit-picking TNG, there's too much that doesn't make sense.
I do appreciate how the warp core evolved throughout the series. Same goes for Voyager. I love how the ship(Voyager) itself evolved into a hybrid of many technologies.
Watching these clips makes me long for Star Trek on tv like it used to be. Episodic. sometimes serious, other times goofy and funny. With star trek being a mirror to our current issues. Even Voyager and, dare i say it, Enterprise captured a certain style and feel things like Discovery and Picard didn't quite get. Even when it was bad it was still somehow... good? I dunno, perhaps its just watching it through rosecolored glasses.
when it was bad it was pretty bad dude, remember the slightly racist one with the black dudes that steal women? but when it was on point, no modern star trek comes close
"This is just another page in history, isn't it? Will this be the end of our civilization? Turn the page." Those words hit a LOT different in 2021, I'll tell ya...
You can't make television like this anymore. An extended dialogue invoking Admiral Nelson and the Battle of Trafalgar and the Emperor Honorius and the Sack of Rome? It's amazing. It's also totally mismatched to the expectations of a 2019 television audience filled with mouth-breathing attention-deficit-riddled device addicts. Hell, you probably can't even use the term "conceit" these days.
I wonder if Picard was speaking metaphorically when he was speaking about Honorius. As far as I'm aware, Honorius had evacuated from Rome to Ravenna several years before the Visigoths sacked the city in AD 410.
I think you are correct. Picard was comparing the vast Roman Empire with the Federation & whether he like Honorius, was going to witness the fall of his empire. Even if history was different, the moral of the story holds true.
Besides, the Vandalic sack was a lot more thorough and destructive. But just the idea alone was shocking. The last sack before the Gothic one was the Celtic one, more than half a millennium prior, by a people who by the time of the Gothic sack had been Roman citizens for centuries. However the WRE, since the crisis of the third century, was an awful place to live in in general, and not many people were sad to see it go. Odoacer and Theodoric were, if anything, badly needed fresh pairs of eyes. In fact the ERE re-conquest of italy did more damage than they ever did, and that's *really* what ended up bringing rome to its lowest point: a backwater with 1/100th its old population, lived in by people who, for instance, had forgotten that the colosseum was even a stadium.
As guinan said though this isn't the end. Nothing ever truly ends as long as there is a handful of people and civilisations have their ups and downs. These are merely the birth pangs of a truly global civilisation
Our country might be in decline in 2020, but damn 2020 seems like a fairy tale compared to October 1962. We as a species were on the brink of total annihilation, luckily leaders on both sides let cooler heads prevail and didn't listen to the hard line generals(both in the USA and Russia) who advocated for a "decapitating first strike".
Yeah, just ask Riker "No! You don't understand what it's like in our universe! The Borg are everywhere, the Federation is gone!" Frightening to see Will Riker a disheveled mess in that episode.
I’m missing her in Picard S3. Even if it was just in the flashbacks like after Riker had his kid and met Picard. Or when Picard talked to the cadets or ensigns or whatever they were.
The music right before Picard is called to duty at the end of the clip, is sad! Like it's getting you emotionally ready just in case Picard is lost for good
Just regrets. She wasn't on her homeworld when it was assimilated. Not sure if anybody had the luxury of being able to evacuate when the Borg arrived. The survivors survived by not being there. Same as it would have been for Earth and humans.
+kev3d Erm, this is season 3, Guinan mentioned the Borg in season 2 (in the episode Q Who) when Q flung the Enterprise into the Delta Quadrant. She acted as advisor to Picard then telling him everything she knew. Watch how you talk about my Guinan!
+Simon Webster Yeah, but up until then, no one, not even Data, has any clue about the Borg. That means the refugees, and Guinan specifically, never mentioned the cause of their planet's eradication. As incompetent as Star Fleet is, it seems impossible that even they would miss something as important as a species which has destroyed at least one civilization when they have direct contact with the refugees. Of course, this is the same idiotic species that prefers an artificial "Nexus" to reality -a fantasy world so unconvincing, both Picard and Kirk were disillusioned within minutes of being there.
kev3d I think a lot of the problems comes down to inconsistent writing. Even though Picard and crew had never heard of the Borg in Q Who, in Voyager we learn that Seven of Nine's parents were authorised by Starfleet to go in search of the Borg. In addition, Captain Archer of the Enterprise series encountered the Borg and that was pre-Kirk and crew. Frankly, I don't even know how Guinan and the other refugees even reached federation space seeing as their world was in the Delta Quadrant. They'd have needed transwarp technology to make that trip. But I'll agree with you on Starfleet's incompetence. From Q Who, they knew that the Borg were coming and they had 18 months to create a super weapon but when the time came they had nothing and 39 ships wound up destroyed.
+Simon Webster That is true, Star Trek is probably one of the least consistently written series in TV. In one episode, Kirk explains that a Captain is to defend the Prime Directive unto his, and his crew's, death. In others, Kirk has no problem with screwing around with the indigenous, pre-warp cultures. Picard risks everything to rescue a handful of Baku, in defiance of a relocation order sent from Star Fleet Command, yet he actively tries to relocate a bunch of American Indians (who are not Americans anymore, were never Indians, and not native to the planet) because of a treaty with the Cardassians. Trilithium is a waste product, or in another episode, a powerful theoretical element. The Borg assimilate....or they have babies. The list goes on and on.
Enterprise was a direct manipulation of the timeline in first COntact and doesn't count toward this. And yeah their planet was destroyed and they had all that time to get ready but how do you get ready to fight something you met once and Guinan couldn't know the Borg's weakness just because her planet was attacked, none of them probably could until we experienced them over several times. And how do you know the babies they saw in Q who were baby Borg, Riker was basing that off he saw, could be raising the abducted kids until old enough to be a valuable member of the collective, or they were experimenting on children, developing neurons and minds of children.
Guinans people was shatterd across the universe? So. They are living in more then 1 galaxy... their technology must be advance for intergalactic travels
I don't think she herself knows how many are left (she tells Hugh very few), but they were definitely advanced. Guinan traveled all the way from the Delta Quadrant just to hang out with Mark Twain! That, and the Borg found them advanced enough to assimilate.
Captain's Log: Need a new script writer, and a holiday. Borg cube has engaged. Need to transport the Enterprise to Hawaii post haste, and get a towel for the deckchairs. Hopefully the Borg hate holidays and won't discover we've switched scripts until the next scene, Picard out.
The Roman Empire didn’t fall to the Visigoths that final blow was dealt in 1453 no the Ottoman Turks at the siege of Constantinople. Rome the city fell to the Visigoths yes but was reclaimed by the Eastern half of the Roman Empire less than a century later by General Belisaurius under orders of Emperor Justinian. The city of Rome was captured and recaptured several times from 540AD to 552AD but the Empire persevered for almost a thousand years after.
"We continue to prepare our defenses for the inevitable confrontation. Despite the fact that we can literally escape in any direction, we will fly directly to the Borg."
Space is two dimensional, a nebula is apparently a SUPER thick dust cloud in a hard vacuum and it only has one entrance or exit. Truly the apex of science-FICTION.
Her species is powerful. If the Borg can take over her world and has all of that knowledge and wisdom, we’re just monkeys to the Borg. It’s a nice idea that the Borg keeps losing to us, but it’s not realistic.
A thought occurred to me once: Picard takes pride in his ancestors at the battle of Trafalgar.. who were FRENCH. But, throughout all of TNG, whenever things get rough, Picard braces himself and is determined to face whatever come what may. Maybe when the British sent: "Surrender now or be destroyed" to the French fleet, a Captain Picard of that time looked at the note, and, with a smile said, "That'll be the day."
It says later on in this episode and in Voyager. She knew the borg were a threat and wanted the Federation to stay untouched from the borg in the hopes that they would one day be able to destroy them. She also did not want anyone to go "exploring" in hopes of finding the borg which happens in a Voyager episode.
+Snowwie88 She did warn them when Q sent them to system J-25 in the 2nd season episode "Q Who". They did destroy outputs on the Federation and Romulan sides of the neutral zone back in the 1st season finale, but apparently didn't wander into Federation space then.
Picard: "Nelson toured the HMS Victory before Trafalgar" FFS, Jean-Luc... Warships do not require the use of "the" as a qualifier or identifier - YOU KNOW BETTER
This may be unrelated to the video but i never understood why the space federation decided to have these ships (enterprise and it's ilk) bring children onboard. Only seen a few episodes of TNG but it seems completely unnecessary. THey are not colonizing and their missions are sometimes very dangerous
My wife is a therapist and I tell her those kids would be traumatized on a daily basis, One minute coloring finger paint the next red alert while the Borg core the ship like a cantaloupe, Then we laugh!
I wish they had used THIS original borg theme, updated, in the First Contact movie. That would have been a nice throughback and better than the music they did use.
"Captain's personal log, supplemental. We're heading toward Federation
space at maximum warp. The crew has responded with the dedication I've
come to expect of them. And like a thousand other commanders on a
thousand other battlefields, I wait for the dawn."
- Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
Nice job referencing Star Trek: Nemesis.
Picard's monologue from Star Trek: Nemesis. Even more apt here.
Literally the *only* good thing in Nemesis.
I can literally hear the music cue up following his words 😅
All hands... Battle Stations
"You''ll survive."
"You say that with remarkable assurance."
"Say 'hi' to Mark Twain for me when you see him in a few years."
Oh, if the writers already had this in mind? It would perfectly fit Guinan not to tell him anymore about it.
@@pitodesign The writers had the show continuing in mind when they wrote Guinan saying he'll survive
This is such a mind-blower. She knew for a fact that Picard would survive, and that she had to kick Riker in the ass to save him when she went into the ready room to talk to him. I hate temporal mechanics.
And then there's the alternate timelines where they didn't recover Picard...
@@RaynmanPlays "The Federation's gone! The Borg is everywhere!"
I just realized the brilliant foreshadowing from the story of Nelson at Trafalgar. The battle was won, but Nelson never made it back, mirroring the ending scene from the episode where the Enterprise has the opportunity to destroy the Borg ship, but will kill Picard in the process.
Trafalgar is a funny reference point for a proud Frenchman like Picard, though. That battle was a catastrophe for both the French and their Spanish allies.
@@NiceTryLaoChe The world of Star Trek is pretty much behind atleast the militaristic side of patriotism though. It's as much history to them as the roman republic is to us.
In fact Patrik Stewart was considering to leave the show after this, therefore they came up with the Locutus story line as a opportunity to kill the character in part two.
Counselor Troi was the official counselor of the Captain. Guinan was the real one.
and that is why he is an idiot. The view proves it. lol
whoopi goldberg ruins every scene it's into.
Guinan was such a great character on this show. I’m so glad she went out of her way to reach out to the team and tell them she wanted to be a part of it, they never thought she would have been willing to be on the show otherwise.
Luckily for humanity, the Borg tried to assimilate Windows Millenium. The resulting chaos destroyed the Borg collective.
We are Bo-bo-b-bor-b-
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ME
ARE
BORG
There was an episode where they thought about giving Windows ME to the Borg but they thought it would be unfair to the Borg
@@thecianinator You can say it was a Huge mistake.
"Bringing chaos to order." Capt. Janeway
@@thecianinator a weapon too terrible to use.
“....Turn the page “ .....so well placed and done ... such a memorable line by Patrick Stewart ... facing fear and death eluding to the end of human civilization ...with restraint and without fear in a logical conversation ...it would make a Vulcan proud
No wonder Sarek accepted his offer of mindmeld.
alluding.
I prefer to listen to Bob Seger in the original Vulcan.
No way picard read the whole padd before authorizing it. The ensign probably gave himself. Shore leave
RADAR!
- Permission to commandeer a shuttle and get the god-damn motherfucking hell out of here Cap'n?
- Make it so
are we fuqed
yes.
He probably turned a page or opened an attachment. If it was an authorization he would have looked away and handed it back.
He clicked at the top, he was clearly just tabbing through the PDF.
Picard is a true leader. I would go to battle with him any day.
One of the best cast for a Federation captain.
He’s a great Captain, bit too preachy for my tastes but one of the best ST Captains by far
Well not anymore after he retired.
He doesn't exist
@Adam Grimsley unfortunate that you do.
Whoever had the idea of adding whoopie Goldberg to this show was brilliant. Guinan was the best. I loved the scenes with her and Q.
If I'm not mistaken she was the one who asked to be on the show but they didn't think she was serious (I guess at the time she was already bigger than TV) which is why she wasn't there from the start. Apparently she wanted to be on Star Trek since Uhura was the first black woman she saw on TV not playing a maid when Goldberg was growing up.
Golkarian that's awesome.
Yes, she was the one who approached the producers, asking to be able to join...
@@Golkarian yeah she loved the show so much she probably would have done it for free.
Yet so many people didn't like her. I sure did.
So, anyone else notice at :30 that Patrick Stewart was wearing tennis shoes? Evidently he wasn't planning on being filmed below the waist.
Nice catch haha
Could be explained by just having got out of bed. But yeah probably a mistake 😂
Hahahaha!
That reminds me of Peter Cushing wearing his slippers when the Death Star blew up Alderaan
Jesus now I’ll never be able to unsee this 😂
Could you imaging trying to wage a battle with only touch screen controls?
Sometimes i have to hit my ipad 4 times just to get a video to play.
They use Android
@@yvesnyfelerph.d.8297 haha, now there's a mic drop
stclairstclair Yes. Ever played Bridge Crew in VR?
-Fire phasers!
“Yes captain, but the touchscreen isn’t registering my commands.”
-Give your finger more power!
“I’m giving it all she’s got Captain!”
I played Star Trek Online with touchpad. It was futile.
LCARS apparently have embossed touch controls, so you can feel the buttons when the lights go out
Picard never ceased to amaze me with his endless Shakespearean quotations 😊
Picard said nothing Shakespearean in this scene.
I love how Ten-Forward is only empty when it's convenient to the plot. A bar on a starship with three 8 hour shifts would always have people coming in for a drink (even if it is synthehol).
You mean the bar located inside the military vessel which holds thousands of civilians, even children? You should stop nit-picking TNG, there's too much that doesn't make sense.
wild guess, but being they were in that situation, i can see the ship being on lockdown.
They were at battle stations.
People don't go for a pint during that time
There’s a likelihood they are all about to die. Not the best time to be drinking.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if the civilians were offloaded at a starbase and that general quarters was in effect on the ship.
I do appreciate how the warp core evolved throughout the series. Same goes for Voyager. I love how the ship(Voyager) itself evolved into a hybrid of many technologies.
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Watching these clips makes me long for Star Trek on tv like it used to be. Episodic. sometimes serious, other times goofy and funny. With star trek being a mirror to our current issues. Even Voyager and, dare i say it, Enterprise captured a certain style and feel things like Discovery and Picard didn't quite get. Even when it was bad it was still somehow... good? I dunno, perhaps its just watching it through rosecolored glasses.
All available on Netflix
No, you're right. This show was sensational. Picard and Discovery are awful, for a variety of reasons.
@@annagalati34 And no commercials
when it was bad it was pretty bad dude, remember the slightly racist one with the black dudes that steal women? but when it was on point, no modern star trek comes close
@@Six_slotted I mean.....black dudes that steal women? I can't imagine any real life parallel to that scenario......
"Do you expect this battle to be won?" Cuz, if we don't win this battle, we'll never meet.
guinan is way more useful than troi as a counselor
Haha, all too true. :-D
I like how Guinan and Picard have an unusual, but very good friendship.
Says who? I'd rather talk to Mariana Sirtis anyday than that ugly bitch Whoopi!
considering Guinan is possibly an El'Aurian (spelling?) who could well be over 300+ years old I'd take her advice any day
Yeah but Ezri Dax was also over 300 years old and her advice wasn't worth beans....
Guinan was always the Next Generation's "get out of jail free" card.
"This is just another page in history, isn't it? Will this be the end of our civilization? Turn the page."
Those words hit a LOT different in 2021, I'll tell ya...
You can't make television like this anymore. An extended dialogue invoking Admiral Nelson and the Battle of Trafalgar and the Emperor Honorius and the Sack of Rome? It's amazing. It's also totally mismatched to the expectations of a 2019 television audience filled with mouth-breathing attention-deficit-riddled device addicts. Hell, you probably can't even use the term "conceit" these days.
meh
a tiny bit of ye, but mrhhhhe&h
"Captains log, stardate 43996.2:"
"The Enterprise remains concealed in the Mutara nebula."
"If the Enterprise makes it through this battle....but I don't.....can somebody clear my browser history?"
those will be my last words. "delete my browser history.....bleh"
The Borg have impeccable timing... "even if it takes a millinium, crash!
I wonder if Picard was speaking metaphorically when he was speaking about Honorius. As far as I'm aware, Honorius had evacuated from Rome to Ravenna several years before the Visigoths sacked the city in AD 410.
It could have just been a writing error.
I think you are correct. Picard was comparing the vast Roman Empire with the Federation & whether he like Honorius, was going to witness the fall of his empire. Even if history was different, the moral of the story holds true.
Besides, the Vandalic sack was a lot more thorough and destructive. But just the idea alone was shocking. The last sack before the Gothic one was the Celtic one, more than half a millennium prior, by a people who by the time of the Gothic sack had been Roman citizens for centuries.
However the WRE, since the crisis of the third century, was an awful place to live in in general, and not many people were sad to see it go.
Odoacer and Theodoric were, if anything, badly needed fresh pairs of eyes.
In fact the ERE re-conquest of italy did more damage than they ever did, and that's *really* what ended up bringing rome to its lowest point: a backwater with 1/100th its old population, lived in by people who, for instance, had forgotten that the colosseum was even a stadium.
"Will this be the end of our civilization? Turn the page." Those words are even more chilling now in 2020.
As guinan said though this isn't the end. Nothing ever truly ends as long as there is a handful of people and civilisations have their ups and downs. These are merely the birth pangs of a truly global civilisation
"I wonder if the Emperor Trump watching the Antifa hordes coming over the seventh hill, truly realised that the West was about to fall"
Antifa to the left, Islamists to the right, SJW's all around him. But Lord Trump held true to his convictions.
Our country might be in decline in 2020, but damn 2020 seems like a fairy tale compared to October 1962. We as a species were on the brink of total annihilation, luckily leaders on both sides let cooler heads prevail and didn't listen to the hard line generals(both in the USA and Russia) who advocated for a "decapitating first strike".
@@AaronSmith-kr5yf Even though that was before my time, I can't deny the fact that 1962 was also a scary time historically as well.
"Turn the page" Picard listens to Bob Seger.
Greatest two-parter in television history.
we have seen what a handful of survivors from the borg look like, its rated the worst alternate reality
Yeah, just ask Riker "No! You don't understand what it's like in our universe! The Borg are everywhere, the Federation is gone!"
Frightening to see Will Riker a disheveled mess in that episode.
"MY BEARD IS EVERYWHERE!"
I usually talk to my bartender before engaging in battle too.
"I'm giong to fight that guy."
"You should not do that at all."
The spooky, ominous music in this episode, starting in the cold open, makes it three times as scary.
Isiekekkdkdkdkdkdmekejeidkdks
Although Guinan's part is not a major one, she certainly captures every scene she is in
I’m missing her in Picard S3. Even if it was just in the flashbacks like after Riker had his kid and met Picard. Or when Picard talked to the cadets or ensigns or whatever they were.
Does anyone ever do this before the end of one of the Mass Effect games?
+bigphil2695 I thought I was alone :)
+Daniel Orrett the last ten minutes made it a phyrric victory at best.
lol and kotor
Wait... it's called a phyrric victory? All this time I've been calling it a phallic victory. o_O
I did, a walk around Normandy befoer Ilos, before Omega four, before Chronos station.
The music right before Picard is called to duty at the end of the clip, is sad! Like it's getting you emotionally ready just in case Picard is lost for good
And thats the last time Picard would speak to Guinan as a (relatively) undamaged person....
Shortly after she started watching The View!
In my opinion, The Next Generation is the best Star Trek series. Does anyone have another favorite Star Trek series?
Deep Space 9 is pretty good too.
Love both but DS9 best because of the repercussions from previous episodes and it showed a lot more shades of grey to morality.@@greyd.99xsome
@@carolinehirst4921 Agree
Ds9 I feel has consistently better story telling but not as many high points as tng
@@Shinigami13133 Exactly my thoughts!
"But Nelson never returned from Trafalgar did he?"
FORESHADOWING lol
actually Nelson DID return from Trafalgar -- but not alive.
@@Galenus1234 You could say Picard doesn't really return from his experience with the Borg. At least not whole.
@@apotheosis00
No man ever returns "whole" from battle, yet alone from being a POW.
I love the look Picard gave her at the very end it was almost like thank you I needed that pep talk
Guinan knows that Picard hasn't gone back in time and encountered her past self yet, so she knows he survives this encounter somehow.
Two great actors and great people
Of course Guinan knows it’s not the end. She has yet to still meet up with Picard in 19th century Earth.
0:26 funny to see them re-use season 1 outfits for extra's
I always assumed those were the lower enlisted personnel.
Nothing creeped me out and excited me like the Borg. Seeing Picard have anxiety about them made him so human to me but made him seem so strong.
After Picard Season 2, the words she chooses are even greater.
I'll bet ten bars of latinum that Guinan witnessed every historical event Picard discussed with her.
Troi is a better counsellor than Guinan as Guinan only counsels the captain - Troi helps the 1026 people on the ship.
Guinan helps other crew members.
Troi spends too much time on the bridge to help anyone.
It's all beautiful rhetoric, until the enemy starts battering your ship. Guinan's change in facial expressions proves it. ;-)
I'm from the year 2020
We're in a battle nowadays, ........very appropriate with this scene
I wish we could have warned you people 🚨🔥 💉💊🌡
also - Honorius didn't give two shits about his empire's ruin.
I grew up on Kirk, BUT I love me some Picard...
2:23 you can see the worry in Guinan's expression in that moment, also from experience. I wonder about the flashbacks she must be trying to keep down.
Just regrets. She wasn't on her homeworld when it was assimilated. Not sure if anybody had the luxury of being able to evacuate when the Borg arrived. The survivors survived by not being there. Same as it would have been for Earth and humans.
Just at that moment he needed Guinan ... he went everywhere so he could accidently find Guinan ...
"When the Borg destroyed my world..."
"Wait, you *KNEW* about the Borg beforehand and never mentioned it to *ANYONE*? Thanks for the heads-up, bitch."
+kev3d Erm, this is season 3, Guinan mentioned the Borg in season 2 (in the episode Q Who) when Q flung the Enterprise into the Delta Quadrant. She acted as advisor to Picard then telling him everything she knew. Watch how you talk about my Guinan!
+Simon Webster Yeah, but up until then, no one, not even Data, has any clue about the Borg. That means the refugees, and Guinan specifically, never mentioned the cause of their planet's eradication. As incompetent as Star Fleet is, it seems impossible that even they would miss something as important as a species which has destroyed at least one civilization when they have direct contact with the refugees.
Of course, this is the same idiotic species that prefers an artificial "Nexus" to reality -a fantasy world so unconvincing, both Picard and Kirk were disillusioned within minutes of being there.
kev3d I think a lot of the problems comes down to inconsistent writing. Even though Picard and crew had never heard of the Borg in Q Who, in Voyager we learn that Seven of Nine's parents were authorised by Starfleet to go in search of the Borg. In addition, Captain Archer of the Enterprise series encountered the Borg and that was pre-Kirk and crew. Frankly, I don't even know how Guinan and the other refugees even reached federation space seeing as their world was in the Delta Quadrant. They'd have needed transwarp technology to make that trip. But I'll agree with you on Starfleet's incompetence. From Q Who, they knew that the Borg were coming and they had 18 months to create a super weapon but when the time came they had nothing and 39 ships wound up destroyed.
+Simon Webster That is true, Star Trek is probably one of the least consistently written series in TV. In one episode, Kirk explains that a Captain is to defend the Prime Directive unto his, and his crew's, death. In others, Kirk has no problem with screwing around with the indigenous, pre-warp cultures.
Picard risks everything to rescue a handful of Baku, in defiance of a relocation order sent from Star Fleet Command, yet he actively tries to relocate a bunch of American Indians (who are not Americans anymore, were never Indians, and not native to the planet) because of a treaty with the Cardassians.
Trilithium is a waste product, or in another episode, a powerful theoretical element.
The Borg assimilate....or they have babies.
The list goes on and on.
Enterprise was a direct manipulation of the timeline in first COntact and doesn't count toward this. And yeah their planet was destroyed and they had all that time to get ready but how do you get ready to fight something you met once and Guinan couldn't know the Borg's weakness just because her planet was attacked, none of them probably could until we experienced them over several times. And how do you know the babies they saw in Q who were baby Borg, Riker was basing that off he saw, could be raising the abducted kids until old enough to be a valuable member of the collective, or they were experimenting on children, developing neurons and minds of children.
Picard was a civilized badass
She didn’t say her people were scattered throughout the *GALAXY,* she said throughout the *UNIVERSE.* Let that sink in…..😳🤔
1:48
On a lonely lonesome highway, east of Omaha...
actually rome truelly fell to the ostrogoths not the visigoths, as one moved on and the other stayed killing the line of roman emperors ruling rome,
Guinans people was shatterd across the universe? So. They are living in more then 1 galaxy... their technology must be advance for intergalactic travels
I don't think she herself knows how many are left (she tells Hugh very few), but they were definitely advanced. Guinan traveled all the way from the Delta Quadrant just to hang out with Mark Twain! That, and the Borg found them advanced enough to assimilate.
Captain's Log: Need a new script writer, and a holiday. Borg cube has engaged. Need to transport the Enterprise to Hawaii post haste, and get a towel for the deckchairs. Hopefully the Borg hate holidays and won't discover we've switched scripts until the next scene, Picard out.
The Roman Empire didn’t fall to the Visigoths that final blow was dealt in 1453 no the Ottoman Turks at the siege of Constantinople. Rome the city fell to the Visigoths yes but was reclaimed by the Eastern half of the Roman Empire less than a century later by General Belisaurius under orders of Emperor Justinian. The city of Rome was captured and recaptured several times from 540AD to 552AD but the Empire persevered for almost a thousand years after.
She knew about the battle of the Borg because Picard was going to meet Guinan during the timetravel in 18th century USA.
It was nice of the Borg to hold fire until the conversation was over
Don't know exactly why but this seems to me like the phrase batten down the hatches. Or look that everything is tight, secure and so on...
Turn the page, wash your hands. Turn the page, wash your hands...and then you turn the page, and then you wash your hands.
Captain Picard always makes sure to wear his best slippers whenever he tours the ship, at least when he visits 10 forward
I like how TNG uses ancient human history to influence beliefs. While I do enjoy the new Picard series, I really wish they did the same.
1:12 and then you realize, that Guninan has perception that goes 'beyond linear time' ....
Affirmative!
I love the Captain's Logs
Watched this scene the night before working as a poll worker for the 2020 election. Excruciating and ethereal.
Now, that's the real Picard not what new Trek did to him.
At 30 seconds when Picard enters 10 Forward, he is wearing lightly colored slippers or tennis shoes.
I'm sure the Nelson at Trafalgar part is cut from UK broadcasts I've seen; which makes no sense!
Can't wait for them to be reunited in "Picard".
Why are the Borg hanging around menacing the Enterprise? Simple :26....amazing Starfleet booty. :-D
+paintur68 ...oddest comment on the internet...
ilovebrandnewcarpets Sorry. :-D
+ilovebrandnewcarpets I think he meant the guy at the 26 seconds in had a big booty.
"We continue to prepare our defenses for the inevitable confrontation. Despite the fact that we can literally escape in any direction, we will fly directly to the Borg."
Space is two dimensional, a nebula is apparently a SUPER thick dust cloud in a hard vacuum and it only has one entrance or exit. Truly the apex of science-FICTION.
It doesn’t matter the direction, the Borg will find them and catch them when they leave.
They are trying to delay the Borg long enough for StarFleet to get a fleet together. Helps to watch the episode before commenting.
This reminds me of Davos Seaworth when he can't sleep before a battle.
Her species is powerful. If the Borg can take over her world and has all of that knowledge and wisdom, we’re just monkeys to the Borg. It’s a nice idea that the Borg keeps losing to us, but it’s not realistic.
It is so sad that Whoopi went nuts after President Trump was inaugurated.
A thought occurred to me once: Picard takes pride in his ancestors at the battle of Trafalgar.. who were FRENCH. But, throughout all of TNG, whenever things get rough, Picard braces himself and is determined to face whatever come what may. Maybe when the British sent: "Surrender now or be destroyed" to the French fleet, a Captain Picard of that time looked at the note, and, with a smile said, "That'll be the day."
I believe he takes pride in all history.
Very Henry V on the night before Agincourt.
Whoppi!!!
He has bare feet when he walks into ten forward.
I always wondered why Guinan never told anyone about the Borg before this encounter.
It says later on in this episode and in Voyager. She knew the borg were a threat and wanted the Federation to stay untouched from the borg in the hopes that they would one day be able to destroy them. She also did not want anyone to go "exploring" in hopes of finding the borg which happens in a Voyager episode.
+Snowwie88 She did warn them when Q sent them to system J-25 in the 2nd season episode "Q Who". They did destroy outputs on the Federation and Romulan sides of the neutral zone back in the 1st season finale, but apparently didn't wander into Federation space then.
That was done by an early version of the Borg, which was retconned in Q Who. So the bugs that did that are technically a different species.
She didn’t bring anything to the show.
Probably she never expected to see them again.
Nelson did return after Trafalgar. But it was in a barrel of brandy.
dude at 0:26 is caked tf up
too bad we didn't see a guinan-picard duet of "I will survive"
This isn’t The Orville!
Picard: "Nelson toured the HMS Victory before Trafalgar"
FFS, Jean-Luc... Warships do not require the use of "the" as a qualifier or identifier - YOU KNOW BETTER
The big problem was the Enterprise D was not a warship.
This may be unrelated to the video but i never understood why the space federation decided to have these ships (enterprise and it's ilk) bring children onboard. Only seen a few episodes of TNG but it seems completely unnecessary. THey are not colonizing and their missions are sometimes very dangerous
My wife is a therapist and I tell her those kids would be traumatized on a daily basis, One minute coloring finger paint the next red alert while the Borg core the ship like a cantaloupe, Then we laugh!
When in doubt, hide.
Did they give Picard guyliner or am I imagining it?
1:05 a nice foreshadowing
1:05 And he got his ass kicked over and over by the Spanish Fleet before Trafalgar .Tenerife was his shame .
Guinan's people scattered through the universe, not just the galaxy?
I wish they had used THIS original borg theme, updated, in the First Contact movie. That would have been a nice throughback and better than the music they did use.
Man what a fool Picard is, he marries Crusher when Guinan was there the whole time...
Guinan was the perfect character to be Picard's conscience and such wisdom. Then she went on The View and spoiled everything! LOL!
Are we still going to be talking about Honorius and Nelson 300 years hence?
The Roman empire didnt fall until 1000 years after Honorious.
Technically correct, but the Byzantines were never able to call Rome home again.
@@jamham69 One need not have his abode in Rome to be a Roman. Most of the Empire's population did not live in Rome.
Why is the 10-forward bar empty on the night before a battle? Sound like a boring future if sailors can't party before a war.
They're probably a little busy...
0:25 excuse me, but what do they put in the engineering replicators to get that thick???