Lightsaber Battle for The Saber Legion World Championship | Jimmy Sourile vs. Alain Bloch
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- Опубликовано: 30 янв 2019
- The Saber Legion is a International Saber Combat Organization...........The Championship, 7th and final match from the champion series event Resolution III at the VFW uptown in Minneapolis Minnesota. Commentary from Thor Borger (Basement Boy Banter) and Terry Birnbaum (TSL founder). Big Thanks to our sponsors for the event Zebra Mats and Ripper Blades
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Hey, how do we make fencing more interesting? Use lightsabers. Genius.
Chief Coiler there’s no technique here. I rather watch fencing than this. This is just two kids playing with saber toys.
Edward V shut up
I agree with Ninfu
Ninfu.
Ngl Edward is kinda right, they have no technique like you see in the movies
@@arrowsaurus7561 I mean I'm not really surprised that they dont have the techniques or flashiness from the movies, but you have to consider that lightsaber fights from the films are choreographed prior to shooting the scene. But yes, I understand.
Dueling in my mind: **Anakin Vs Obiwan*
Dueling in real life:
True, lightsabers are way too dangerous to be approached improperly
these are cowards who just wanna get some point and have no technique
And force users use the force to predict every move that’s how they can defend and know when to attack, and when they die they let their force down or something
Well this is literally fencing with lightsabers. Lightsaber duels in real life even without the force would be really different. I do lightsaber training on my own just about daily to prepare for the day I'll actually get to duel.
@@sid-xf2pm Not really, even if you know a swing is coming does not mean you are able to block it
Me: A Star Wars fan.
Also me during this entire video:
When does the fighting start
Same
This is pathetic I can do much better and longer battles and I’m a kid
@@river.m2010 I doubt it
@NepoleonBunaparde I’m from the UK
Yees I stopped at min 3 kkkkk
This drives home the idea that real lightsaber battles would be short, explosively bloody affairs usually ending with both combatants being killed or gravely injured by retaliation.
Well since the actual Jedi can foresee their opponents attacks they already know where they will be so they can counter it and that’s why they are so long. But this is more like a little bit of reflex and prediction
ValseMusic also you gotta remember that Jedi don’t wear armor so they are gonna be fighting a lot differently then these guys it would be much more defensively
I mean the deal is that is what a normal sword fight is.
For force users there is a different story of both parties can be influenced by the prophetic nature of the Force and that is what makes the difference.
It’s wouldn’t really be bloody if hit with the light saber because it will cauterize the wound
These strikes except a few are very light cuts maybe even skim past even a painful burn won’t immediately defeat you sure it will hurt a ton but adrenaline will reduce this and fuel your duel you have to remember that many of the deaths in starwars were deep cuts or stabs nobody died cause someone skimmed them they take it and continue
So this is just fencing but, slightly cooler.
Not even close
The rules seem similar to that of the fencing in historical European martial arts and not the one in the Olympics
@@OnyxXThePunch I wa gonna say this has STRONG HEMA vibes
Slightly being the main word here
So boring tbh really is !
Ok for those fanatics out there - I don’t care how technical or skilled this is supposed to be - I don’t at all - if you use the words ‘Lightsaber Duel CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH’ as a fan of SW you expect a freaking duel.
Oh the force doesn’t exist ? Nor do jedis? No 💩 Sherlock ! But come on you can do better than this
MT UK it’s basically fencing but with slashing and kind of different technique. Because all the Star Wars stuff doesn’t exist, those techniques don’t work as well in the real world, so it would be kind of awkward to try and use them. I believe anything else would pretty much just be for show.
I wish they used actual lightsaber combat forms but this is pretty good i guess
No one knows what real saber combat forms are like other than a basic description because Lucas made them up, and a lot of it wouldn't work irl because the Jedi rely on the force to predict their enemies next attacks
Real life saber combat,
@@ethanray2021 Some of the forms are really more philosophies than fighting styles.
If lightsabers were real, fights would very much look like this.
@@ethanray2021 Shii cho is basic sword fighting without much defense.
Makashi is literally fencing.
Soresu is for extreme defense.
Ataru is acrobatic offense.
Djem so is counter attack offense.
Niman unknown.
Vaapad/Juyo most deadly and aggressive.
Just imagine, 1 touch and that's it. No edge alignment to worry about, no mass of the blade. It would be a terrifying weapon.
The blade of the light/dark saber is actually heavy due to the flow of energy constantly circulates to form the blade.
@ in lore, lightsabers are nearly weightless besides the handle
@@--cobb--1674 The heaviness of the lightsabers is due to its strong gyroscopic effect. This creates sort of strong resistance to external force applied to change its orientation.
It's similar to how G force needs to be counteracted with lifting force.
You'd still have to cut deep enough, so a light grazing hit would do much besides causing a bit of pain.
@ Which is lore practically no one listens to.
*anakin skywalker about to fight his master*
*his master:* “WAIT... we forgot to put on the arm bands!”
Just call him Obi wan
Yes HIS MASTER
ref cuts his own arm off at 0:51
tf
?
Oof
That’s hilarious
@@jongyuemei watch star wars and you will understand
That purple lightsaber looks so real. What kind of saber is it? Blade type and hilt? Anyone?
I think it's a "saberforce" blade just look that up
@@Mercheri9 Saberforge*
Probably the camera
sonic97dx that’s just how Digital cameras react to bright purple which carries a lot of blue strands of light
Might be a Kyroz saber Standard Edition 36in. blade with a 12in. hilt
You can hear a guy say `I am so entertained’ at 7:40...Me too pal, me too
The problem with this is that it does not deincentivize leaving oneself open while attacking enough because once the first hit occurs the point is over. This doesn't simulate that in a lightsaber fight the opponent would likely still hurt you if you only hit them a split second before they hit you. Thus, no point should be awarded if the opponent gets a hit within a second or so of the initial hit. This will make for significantly more interesting fights where contestants actually make blade contact instead of just both lunging at each other trying to beat the other by a millisecond
It's just kendo, it follows japanese armoured sword fighting - no shield means you're very likely going to die, the objective is to make sure you kill your opponent before that happens. Head strikes and lung / heart stabs are favoured because limbs (and thus swing power / follow through) stop real quick once the lights go out, increasing the odds that the injury you receive won't be as bad / your armour can do its job.
"deincentivize", what does that mean? I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I think this format makes it really boring to watch. too. (looks boring for the competitors as well)
Same rules with fencing. As someone who appreciates fencing I can assure you this is basically what fencers do, the most important thing is being the first one to make contact. Although it doesn't look as flashy as the fights from the movies, this is almost certainly what lightsaber combat would be, as a death stick needs to be respected regardless of where or how it hits you, leading to safe combat and getting the first hit
Canonically the only reason lightsaber fights are so flashy is because they take place between opponents that can see the future possibilities before they happen. Think a grandmaster in chess, seeing several moves ahead, leading to calculated risk, as opposed to a beginner that can at best see a couple moves in advance, throwing their pieces at any idea just to try to break their opponent before they are broken themself
I mean this with zero malice towards the people in the video, especially the red combatant, that it feels to me like the beginner chess analogy. I don't know their exact rules for what counts as contact, but I would guess a poke/thrust is considered such (death stick). A thrust is the most effective use of distance (and swordfighting is the art of managing distance), yet both fighters in the video seem to be favoring swings. A swing is very projected, gives the opponent an open door before the swing and after follow through, and provides no real strategic advantage outside of looking flashy. Swings can also be parried very easily, leading to openings for a thrust.
Any intermediate-advanced fencer would tear the competitive scene on display here into shreds, but for what they have it's still very entertaining to watch. Traditional fencing would be so much cooler with glowing death sticks
I wanna get involved so bad.
@@rustycat3273 odd reply here 🤣
@@rustycat3273 who?
Just by 2 sabers and give one to a friend and just fight and with bladebuilders you can make a double sided lightsaber for double the fun
Why does this comment seem like an ad
ThemFewCats wtf is your problem?
@@DCCCXVII he replied to someone called LeoGotRock. I can't see a reply from that dude though so maybe it's deleted
I have never seen this many people argue about fencing in the comments before. It's just fencing with lightsabers, calm down, it's just people having fun.
this is no where close to fencing
@@apollo1694 That wasn't the point, but okay.
@@dist0rted320 "it's just fencing with lightsabers"
@@apollo1694 I see you are quite pedantic about it. Just take a chill pill.
@@dist0rted320 my man takes a statement as a show of pure fury and anger
People In 1960: we will have flying cars in the future!
59 years later:
We just call them airplanes.
@@intrepidmind5264
You mean airbus badum chhhhhhh
This is even better tbh
Overrated comment.
Showed this to my kid and pointed out that the intro in this competition is actually the one that actually very important. That is the real Sportsmanship.
Real lightsaber fight would have ended in a second this proves it
Caped Baldy very true!
The idea is that Jedi and Sith use the force to sense incoming attacks, that's why their fights last so long. But yes, with normal people, lightsaber fights would end very quickly.
These people also aren't force sensitive so it would still go differently if it were truly authentic. Don't forget that simple fact with your half cocked assessment.
Also lightsabers have no weight to them, so wielding one is incredibly disadvantageous against staff sabers or the classic 1 short and 1 long dual weild. One sword only works with heavy double handed blades, because M×A=F, so there's a lot of force behind it, but lightsabers don't have mass and don't really need force to cut through things, so that tactic is out of the window, leaving you much more vulnerable holding just one. Youd just rely on speed to attack and strength when blocking, a staff can attack immediately after blocking or attacking as there's almost no recovery needed with the strikes, and a dual weilder could just stab or slice with their off hand whilst distracting you with their main hand or deflecting your attack and stabbing you with the other whilst you're in swing recovery
Force sensitive lightsaber duelists don't strike to kill, they always swing there lightsaber in a way to disorient their opponent. That's why you see duels in the prequels looking like "dances". They aren't trying to hit their opponent, because they can easily counter and get killed in an instant.
I remember there use to be this fencing club when I was younger, and they started to make these types of light sabers back in like 05-6. I use to go and once some i guess high school boys brought these and it was so fucking cool. I would love to do this so much.
Ruby email us at thesaberlegion1@gmail.com and we can set you up.
I've taken both fencing and Kendo. And I got to say that this lightsaber dueling it's actually more entertaining than both those disciplines.
Are we talking fencing with a rapier for college and olympic sports or HEMA fencing? Personally love the clang of Polish sabers parrying each other back and forth.
I fenced with a foil with a with a local fencing Club. But I did actually fence with some college students. They were pretty quick.
I do kendo as my martial art, and personally kendo is far more entertaining and fair. It also has a stronger point system. There was so many times when both opponents clashed or hit each other in the same beat, but one was awarded a point. In kendo neither would have been awarded the point. It's not just about hitting the person first, it's about hitting the opponent and not getting hit back. If both players hit each other in the same beat, and the refs, who obviously aren't seeing which one actually scored first in a lot of these points, award one of the players a point when they both realistically would both be dead. This is why kendo has a stronger point system, because if you hit, that attack would have actually killed someone in real life, if it was a actually sword, as well as you moving as to not die yourself. Judges have to be trained for years to make accurate scoring decisions. In this, it's not the same, Plus one-handed rapier styles or going to be at far and away more advantageous than a two-handed sword or katana style. The win condition for each weapon is completely different. A rapier needs to simply stab or touch an opponent, a long sword or katana needs to cut the opponent. This means a light touch without a lot of force can win you the point with a rapier versus a katana or longsword which needs to have a strong cut. This means the long sword user has to come in slightly closer and make his attacks more committed, versus the rapier user that can play a protracted game of pool and barely tap the opponent at a distance. With a lightsaber it's a mixture of the two weapons. while a lightsaber can incinerate your flesh by mere touch, it won't fully burn you if it is a light touch, which is why in all the Star wars movies they act as if they are cutting them like a katanas or long swords, rather than using them like rapiers. I think this rule set should make the two styles very distinct, and have their own systems for points. Two handed, or longsword type styles should work on kendo rules. While one handed, or rapier styles should work on fencing rules.
I came here and expected some dope ass lightsaber combat, and only find out its fencing with lightsabers. Still cooler than fencing, but I am still deeply disappointed.
Reality is often disappointing.
Look up Akademia Szermierzy, real fencing is not boring if either of them know what they're doing, this lot are idiots with glow sticks
Choreographing for safety is the only reason the "real" stuff you've seen isn't perfect, even full contact martial arts has loads of rules to protect you
I know plenty of ways to do it but we don't cut eachother open anymore sorry
These two guys could beat literally every Jedi and sith we have ever seen
I'm willing to bet there's a fair bit of overlap between this community and the HEMA community.
Yes yes there is
Probably cheaper than HEMA tho lol
Fair bit? One third of our organization is HEMA, the other Kendo, the remaining a mixture of things lol
@@oscarkilby4033 I doubt it. They're wearing the same gear you would see at any given HEMA tournament.
@@RandyLeftHandy isn't HEMA conducted in very expensive blade resistant armor (underlayers, chain and so on) whereas this is just some small padding against blunt objects?
I want the RUclipsr shadiversity to review this fight. I feel like it would be interesting.
You know what, so do I
Yeah
He doesn't know what hes talking about when it comes to lightsaber
Russian Patrick True, but this is closer to real swordplay than actual lightsaber combat.
@@Kag_Yag he absolutely does and demonstrates as much through his star wars series.
This is the only sport I’ve ever actually been interested. It’s not just jabbing like fencing, there’s actual blocking
Its just fencing with lightsabers...
@@_Turtle_420 No it isn’t, this is not at all what fencing looks like.
@@UnstoppableGiant when fencing becomes as boring as golf lol
@@_Turtle_420 my dad fenced, I know what fencing looks like lol. You don’t ‘block’, you counter.
THIS IS SO COOL!! Can't believe I am JUST finding this
I watched one star wars video and this was recommended to me. I am not complaining
The www.SaberLegion.org isn't disappointed either. Join us
I've never really been able to get into these, but this one? Very good! Awesome displays of sportsmanship, and respect for one another. Also, you guys didn't look like you were chasing bees around with broom sticks, which is typically the impression I get from these duels. You guys are both worthy champs, and are a big part of making this sport grow, and become just as respected as any other sport. Great job guys! Both of you!
I didn't know this is just that this would be so much fun to watch
Dooku screaming somewhere in his grave
"You have no technique...sloppy"
Anakin: spinning is a good trick
Sheev: say no more
Now, imagine a Kendo player in that. It works be insane, and these guys would get stomped.
Imagine an Olympic fencer.
What? A kendoka would get DESTROYED. Kendokas have a less than basic footwork, fight with a straight torso, use very few guards, have very few and restricted parries, very weird bind rules... Kendo is not a combat oriented martial art, mate.
@@jarlbregadan914 trust me. They would dominate. Just look at high level practitioners.
They'd better adjusting to weight as well
Or imagine a good HEMA practitioner, or honestly anybody with actual training
When Olympic fencing is too uncivilized...
Good one
I got that reference
It’s quite hilarious seeing how fast a real lightsaber duel would be over.
This is how logical lightsaber battles are speed and distance you don’t just swing the saber around you aim for the body.
Ok. So this is fencing with glow sticks. I prefer the choreographed fights.
@fazer rider *People enjoy what they do, they enjoy Star Wars real life, somebody can just train like a jedi so we can finally see a real fight*
@@loljay3281 I'm actually learning the Lightsaber Combat forms before I start competing. I also have Military Experience and Martial Arts experience on top of doing Sports in High School. Lol.
@@jjmiles7173 thats good but unless your in a completition in which people ask you to do the forms(solo), your fights might be choreographed
"Realistic" Lightsaber combat is essentially fencing.
The stuff that looks cool is called roleplay.
@fazer rider I'm sorry, but I can't help but think Napoleon Dynamite😂
For all the normies, weebs and general public untrained in combat sports: they are using real fencing techniques for the most part. Purple saber guy has a pretty good longsword form.
Obviously the 7 forms of lightsaber combat exist, and the fights needed to be long to make them interesting, but it makes you wonder why most (if not all) lightsaber battles didn't use fencing techniques.
I feel as if it would make the force user much more difficult to defend against.
Just to clarify for those who might try to compare it to epee and foil, this is more of a HEMA style of fencing.
just when I've thought I've seen it all
I am flabbergasted
Wow how cool glad I've found it
I love how happy everyone looks
the 6 yr old girl in pink on the front row stole the show
Are there weight or height or reach categories? It seems like this heavily favors those with long reach and legs (can cover more ground in a single step).
Now we know why Vader won so much
...this seemed like it was gonna be so much cooler in my head..
That's a helluva way to start out any competition. I think that first 45 seconds is exactly the kind of thing that we should be indoctrinating into our children when it comes to sports. I love it.
What this made me realize is that in order to fight as agressively as jedi in a movie an not open your guard up immediatly you would actually need to have jedi powers. Fencing is the best humans can do.
Who's here 2020
Live Happy no, I’m 1995
No, im here in 195 BC, but nice try
cant wait for lightsabers to be real and see how many of these guys are still interested
I would like to know what kind of sabers are used here. I plan a Revan Cosplay but with combat ready lightsabers
Is there a website with an explanation of the rules for this?
cramnh0j unsure, searching The Saber Legion is your best bet
literally look up the different rules of fencing, there’s three types.
i dont know the names but this looks like the faster, type of fencing
www.SaberLegion.org is our website and we exist primarily on Facebook, and we use our own ruleset that's a blend of several fencing types, from Traditional to HEMA to Kendo
@@alek2969 nah this looks more similar to HEMA, which focuses on longswords and stuff like that, the different fencing types are actually different blades.
There should be so many more people watching this
Would you think about adding the lightsaber sound effects so we get maximum immersion?
I’m speechless. Didn’t know it was a thing.
This is actually a thing?! This is cool af!
It is! www.SaberLegion.org is where you can start
So boring lol
I find this way more interesting than football lmao... we need this as a sport in tv i stg
Fencing with lightsabers, never seen this before, definitely catches the eye
I would love to get in on this but I don't know where to go lol. I don't think there are lightsaber matches where I live.
I love how slowly but surely we’re getting real life Jedi. Honestly I want to learn how to fight with a lightsaber I think it’d be cool
www.SaberLegion.org is your best bet I think lol
@Jaqen H'ghar people nowadays 🤣🤣 no offense
@Jaqen H'ghar i know right ah man that's so funny lol'ing out loud right now 🤣
That’s a real haha funny moment
I feel like the judges were biased. I found many of these split rulings to favor the blue duelist so I played back multiple double hits etc. and the red duelist was clearly landing his hits first in multiple exchanges.
Seems unfair to me. They should go back in the camera footage to confirm.
the severity of the blow also matters, a hit on the foot, hand, or leg wouldn't be nearly as effective as a hit on the head
You'd be correct _if this was modern regulation fencing._
However, under rulesets for _any other swordfighting competitions_ touches must be significant. A slight graze does not award a point.
Where is competition held at with lightsabers what are the rules what you need of equipment? Do you have any contest in Missouri?
I love how the sabres just come from a movie and they made it into a art
it would hella cool to see this done in the style of Kendo
When a challenger gets you into a corner, you’re basically done for. Because unless you can think of something fast, there is no hope, because being a challenger and cornering your opponent is like having the high ground
You can roll just like in the Dark Souls games 👍
Where do you buy the The Sabres that they used to dual
Thank you, RUclips recommendations
The Referee's shoto reminds me of the lightsaber cheese knife in family Guy.
Thats how lightsaber duels really would look like. :P
No it wouldn’t there are different forms of lightsaber fighting styles and this is not one of them
For non force users yes. I honestly want to see this in the Mandalore. Where two non force-ys face off with lightsabers and its waaaay more tense and slowpaced like this, both people being half too scared to go all in.
@@j3ke965 You realize that the 7 saber forms were made up by Lucas and are half-assed? Only one or two of the forms are fully explained.
this may be a weird question, but I feel like if the outside of the saber had some type of thin rubber on the outside, it would stop the issue of the sabers sliding on each other. am i crazy
The force is strong within these two.❤🎉
Red was robbed in round one.
Yeah I now see that fighting with actual lightsabers in real life fight - if it were ever possible - would be completely impractical.
and boring
It’s more the. Likely we will switch to energy weapons around 2500-2700 plus there are very very VERY primitive models of “lightsabers” known in legends as protosabers. These “Protosabers” yes ofc use a premise blade lights etc but uses an outside energy pack to heat it up. Granite obsolete now it may be cutting edge weaponry and actually quite common within 700-1000 years from now.
But that’s almost a Millenia away and if we don’t destroy ourselves
@@jthejedigaming8303 Still would be impractical as we don't have the Force in real life to defend against quick-moving projectiles
@@mr.snitters5281 special deflective bodyarmor? artificial energy force fields? I dunno
@@jthejedigaming8303 No one gonna create lightsaber for military/war purpose. Blaster? Maybe yes. It's not just your average mind. Much to considerate. And the fact that you could shot someone from far away is way more practical instead of this. And again, the durability, weather effect, resistance, the price to be mass produced, the consistency, practicality, usage, and many more comes into thought. So it's not possible.
*when you see the hallway go dark and hear asthma attack coming from it*
I have two questions
One what is this
Two where do I sign up
This is just fencing with glow sticks
This isn't lightsaber dueling this is fencing with glow sticks
Still cool
@@lojika1majik seems kinda boring to me
Eh
@@Lord_Buckles then watch the ufc
What is this armour nad where could I buy it? Someone help pls ^^
That purple blade looks amazing!
Their techniques are quite interesting. They unite fencing, kendo, hema and the tricks and styles from the movies
No fencing here. Hema yes
If you're wondering why this doesn't resemble the movies, it's because light doesn't deflect light. It never did.
Also, the reality of medieval combat was mostly like this, with people most inclined to avoid being lacerated with bouts of intermediate hacking. It wasn't a dance-off.
They aren't made of light though
Lightsabers aren't made of Light....... they're actually more like Plasma Swords.
As a fencer, I want to try this, but the movements look slow compared to what I do, maybe its the weight of the gear?
This is going to be an Olympic sport one day, Just wait and see.
Me:uses form
Person I’m fighting:da fauq
When he said that Jimmy was performing "less gumby-esque" than usual it called up a long buried memory I have of watching the lightsaber duel from Gumby: The Movie lol
I was actually expecting to see like Ray Park style battles going on. Didn’t realize it was just fencing
Cmon man this is just fencing but....brighter
The Writers Did A Amazing Job On The Star Wars Games, Shows And The Movies And The Actors Did A Amazing Job 👏👏👏👏👏
Bro is this a real sport?
Yes, It is. A friend of mine plays It.
what length of blade do they use?
Me and my friend do this kind of stuff all the time but our blades are like 2/3 the size of those, does it make much of a difference? From what I've seen they don't really fall into the trap of only aiming to hit the other blade instead of the other person which I see alot in these videos for some reason.
Well yeah.. in ANY fight with ANY weapon, or even unarmed like in Boxing, REACH plays a HUGE role in the fight.
Me and my friends do this outside
Do it with us too then! www.SaberLegion.org
I've seen more movement in my legs and I'm paralyzed
where do i buy these sabers
The ref personally convinced the commissioner that he needed a saber to officiate.
4:05 well the left guy is holding it at the edge of the sword... so thats an advantage... he is doing all the way the same thing round and around... thats boring
It looks like two seven year olds trying to do a light saber duel
Where do they get these light sabers
what sabers where used?
I’m a nerd you are a nerd we all are nerds
I’m shocked they don’t block at all they just try to dodge when they can
ikr
how does someone get into this like how do you find competitions
The way the blue guy is holding his saber is just funny, standing back and swatting him on the head.
I understand that in reality this is actually typical swordfighting , even though my 10 year old mind is still thinking that this is going to be as epic as episode 3 revenge of the sith.
I know that there are also rehearsed acting plays too that make for full intertanment but I gotta say I'd rather play for sport without mask and such.
So.... fencing
With lights
Yeah but it's cool cause lights. Also, and I'm not so sure because I don't watch too much fencing, but I'd figure it's based mostly on swift stabs and staying out of poking range. These guys are more focused on articulate swings and blocks as the swords are a lot more stiff and not as flexible as fencing swords. Again, not certain as I don't watch too much fencing but that's just my first impressions.
What savers are their using
I would love more than anything to be able to compete in this sport. You should also have Lightsaber kata competition. Score it just like they do at a karate tournament.