I am really glad you did cover the "some armies are better". Imo i find it a sometimes decieving way of introducing someone to the hobby as "play what you like! whatever looks coolest". Ive seen it cause newbies to completely drop the hobby after a string of losses because they picked something suboptimal to buy paint and play. People like to win in games, its just how it is and im not doing someone counting on my advice any favors by simple recommending a good looking model set that wont win against these "better" armies. I think being honest with them and forthright about their chances is a good addition to introducing people to AoS
Totally, and i think thats why i emphasized "Define your fun". There is no wrong answer to why you like this hobby, but it can save you a lot of time and money if you jump into an army with the right mindset!
Hey, newbie here. I just picked up the game with my roommate and after looking at the armies we went with looks over power. He picked Kharadron Overlords and i got Disciples of Tzeentch. I hope he wont regret his choice, but for now we love our models. Found your channel here and I really enjoy your videos! You made my start with AOS so much easier and I just wanted to thank you for this. Keep it up :)
Hey thank you for the kind words!!! The game will always be changing and evolving, but as long as your buddy is enjoying his army and the models, its a great choice :)
Yep great choices! And if you like a new faction one bonus is those sculpts are new and beauts so dw about the rules unless all you wanna do is tournament. Like Doug said you can modify scenarios to make use of any models 👍
Playing a game is brutal depending on your army. Everyone has SOOOOOOOOO many special rules. Playing a 2k game I feel like I need check lists for each phase because everyone has like 40+ special rules/weapons/faction traits, etc.
This is more relevant to the hobby section of this series, but I feel it's important enough to mention now. For beginners, buy your Start Collecting box or whatever you get at first, build it, and paint it. Don't buy anything else until those models are painted. Then buy the next thing you want. Build it. Paint it. Repeat until your army is done. I can tell you, as can likely everyone else in the hobby, that a sea of grey plastic waiting to be painted is an incredibly demoralizing thing. And with that demoralization comes a burn out and you leave the hobby for a time or forever. It's a hard temptation to ignore, but painting as you buy things is a lifesaver. I often see posts of dudes that bought like 2000+ points of Imperial Guard to get into the hobby and I die inside thinking of how much of a slog going through all that would be. Just start with a small-ish army, paint that, play with it, see what you like and don't like, then add onto it and adjust things as you go. All while painting things as you buy them still. So you get a painted army: Great. Other players get to play against a painted army: Great. And you're not feeling the weight of tons of models waiting to be painted which is a surprisingly stressful thing for a hobby that shouldn't at all be stressful: Very great.
man i wish i read this a few days ago. i’m just going to stack boxes on my shelf and only open/build/paint one box at a time, starting with the start collecting box. that’s the plan anyway.
Definitely recommend reaching out to your local groups on Facebook and stuff. Most are awesome people and can play demo games with and see how you like the locals. What I did and way better than just watching batreps online
I was going to do a Stormcast army but ended up selling those models in favour of a Freeguild army, and I also have the Seraphon start collector but I'm not sure if I will pursue the Seraphon army. I think if I do it will probably be a more competitive army further down the line whilst the Freeguild will be my introductory tutorial army, I think. I am a complete noob but I am just so attracted by being human in this world, so I hope the Freeguild aren't considered too weak or something
I'd say I'm somewhat in between of the have fun and competitive spectrum. I enjoy having a handful of models that I just really like aesthetically but I also like to have an army that as long as I play correctly I can do well against opponents without getting my doors completely blown off.
So you may have already thought about this but just in case have you thought about bringing in other people from around the community for your Victory Condition series? Almost every other channel I've watched has spoken well of your channel and you have guested on at least some of them so I'm sure they would return the favor (hopefully). I've been collecting models and such just for the fun of it for nearly a year now but more recently I've been moving toward actually getting together an army to play with and this series sounds great. I really think this could be an amazing resource for everyone in the community and having focused discussion with other people and offering multiple viewpoints and back and forth seems like it could help cover the subjects more in depth and possibly make it even better. Regardless it sounds like it will be great series and I'd like to thank you for doing it. Your lore videos helped convince me to check out AoS in the first place and helped me navigate through picking stuff when I started so thanks for your channel!
Awesome intro! I was there once with atleast a hobby point of view. My opinion is check out the lore, do you like it? Nothing worse then think meh this story is either boring or doesn't excite/relate to me. Second is painting, do you think you'll like to paint it? Can you use colours you like? Finally is imo is looks. But for me I found looks can help tie in with painting and building, I think they can relate so remember that! Another way is look at two small armies. I start nurgle, love them bit love deepkin too lol. So I start with nurgle and learn to hobby and gives me confidence to then start the deepkin! Also helps if you wanna read or watch AOS.. have a second interest helps. So for me less is more there. So! Start small, get into 1-2 forces, get one good brush for minimum fine use the rest can be shit firm brushes and enjoy! Thanks for the channel Doug 👍
Doug @2+Tuff thanks for this video! I’ve a bunch of stormcast and ghosties my wife loves shaven tho so still waiting on new new stuff for that. I do have malign sorcery and a couple other expansions but not sure what order to do them in? Anywhere I could find that?
I'd suggest starting with the core rules, then diggin into the Battleplans of the GHB (any of them). Then start adding things in bit by bit. Grab whatever looks cool!
Not as expensive as it used to be depending on the army. If you still have paints and stuff it'd just be the army and the books. If you pick an army like Stormcast you'll find tons of second hand stuff knocking around plus they have some decent bundles, you can definitely do it cheaper now than in the past imo
@@placeholdername3818 That is tough. When I got back into it I started with only the basic paints I needed to start with, as a pretty crappy painter it was base colours and a wash pretty much, if you pick an easy to paint army you can achieve decent results with limited paints like Nighthaunt for example, you could probably do it with like 3-4 paints maybe? Especially with contrast now. If you slow grow your army, budget it over a year you can be quite economic with it, yes it takes a long time and it's definitely not cheap, but with a bit of planning there is definitely a way to do it. Heck if you've got any friends playing maybe just get a box and play skirmish or proxy the models while you play and build up your army slowly, with free rules and warscrolls you just need a bag of cheap bases if your mates are cool with it. Of course there is cost involved unfortunately and it can be expensive, too much so, and I really hope you get to play at some point because its a fun game and a neat community, best of luck! :)
Great content. I really appreciate this level of information. It really helps ease my entry into AoS and let's me plan my purchases and projects. Question: have you done any videos on terrain? I am working on scratch building terrain. My research is telling me that on a 4x4 table having 25% covered or at least 2x2 in terrain pieces split into line-of-sight blocking, cover and scatter will work best. What are a few essential things to know or consider when creating terrain for AoS?
Glad it was helpful! As for terrain, nah I've never really done a video on it. I'm not really a terrain builder and I just kinda throw things on the table to tell a story, not so much worried about density and such. I'll find someone to help me cover that!
I was thinking of taking up the Kharadron Overlords because of the awesome steampunk look that they have but at the same time they are not that effective in game from what I saw (I’m a new player ^^) online. Could you enlighten me on that ?
Painted some Gitz while listen to this ;) and i have one question qhta do you think about the prize points when 30 cost lets say 150 points and 60 250 i dont like it that it forces you to use bigger units to get the best out of the best
My understanding is no, you do not. The only thing in the rules that is required to charge is that you unit is eligible (meaning it didnt run or retreat in the movement phase) and that the charge roll is good enough to allow the first model you move to end within .5" of an enemy model :)
Go into a store, look for a demo... hahaha. Remember before the global pandemic when you could go into stores and do things like that? :D
I am really glad you did cover the "some armies are better". Imo i find it a sometimes decieving way of introducing someone to the hobby as "play what you like! whatever looks coolest". Ive seen it cause newbies to completely drop the hobby after a string of losses because they picked something suboptimal to buy paint and play.
People like to win in games, its just how it is and im not doing someone counting on my advice any favors by simple recommending a good looking model set that wont win against these "better" armies. I think being honest with them and forthright about their chances is a good addition to introducing people to AoS
Totally, and i think thats why i emphasized "Define your fun". There is no wrong answer to why you like this hobby, but it can save you a lot of time and money if you jump into an army with the right mindset!
Hey, newbie here. I just picked up the game with my roommate and after looking at the armies we went with looks over power. He picked Kharadron Overlords and i got Disciples of Tzeentch. I hope he wont regret his choice, but for now we love our models. Found your channel here and I really enjoy your videos! You made my start with AOS so much easier and I just wanted to thank you for this. Keep it up :)
Hey thank you for the kind words!!! The game will always be changing and evolving, but as long as your buddy is enjoying his army and the models, its a great choice :)
Abraham Van Helsing solid choices.
Yep great choices! And if you like a new faction one bonus is those sculpts are new and beauts so dw about the rules unless all you wanna do is tournament. Like Doug said you can modify scenarios to make use of any models 👍
thanks guys, you're getting me really pumped for this. :)
This is probably the only presentation I’ve ever watched voluntarily (:
Thank you for this, I am new to this game, but I have watched most of your lore videos, this is the only thing missing, again thank you
Playing a game is brutal depending on your army. Everyone has SOOOOOOOOO many special rules. Playing a 2k game I feel like I need check lists for each phase because everyone has like 40+ special rules/weapons/faction traits, etc.
I'd recommend 500-1000. Nothing spring starting small and many people find this a sweet spot for games. Once you get good or wanna expand go for 2k
You're the man, I was about to paint some bastiladon, this is perfect
+1 for ginger beer
Just discovered it (outside of Moscow mules) and Im in love ;)
@@2Tough it's great stuff. Blows Ginger Ale off the face of the planet too.
This is more relevant to the hobby section of this series, but I feel it's important enough to mention now. For beginners, buy your Start Collecting box or whatever you get at first, build it, and paint it. Don't buy anything else until those models are painted. Then buy the next thing you want. Build it. Paint it. Repeat until your army is done. I can tell you, as can likely everyone else in the hobby, that a sea of grey plastic waiting to be painted is an incredibly demoralizing thing. And with that demoralization comes a burn out and you leave the hobby for a time or forever.
It's a hard temptation to ignore, but painting as you buy things is a lifesaver. I often see posts of dudes that bought like 2000+ points of Imperial Guard to get into the hobby and I die inside thinking of how much of a slog going through all that would be. Just start with a small-ish army, paint that, play with it, see what you like and don't like, then add onto it and adjust things as you go. All while painting things as you buy them still. So you get a painted army: Great. Other players get to play against a painted army: Great. And you're not feeling the weight of tons of models waiting to be painted which is a surprisingly stressful thing for a hobby that shouldn't at all be stressful: Very great.
man i wish i read this a few days ago. i’m just going to stack boxes on my shelf and only open/build/paint one box at a time, starting with the start collecting box. that’s the plan anyway.
Definitely recommend reaching out to your local groups on Facebook and stuff. Most are awesome people and can play demo games with and see how you like the locals. What I did and way better than just watching batreps online
As a new player this was great thanks so much
I was going to do a Stormcast army but ended up selling those models in favour of a Freeguild army, and I also have the Seraphon start collector but I'm not sure if I will pursue the Seraphon army. I think if I do it will probably be a more competitive army further down the line whilst the Freeguild will be my introductory tutorial army, I think. I am a complete noob but I am just so attracted by being human in this world, so I hope the Freeguild aren't considered too weak or something
It took this gaming hobby for Facebook to become relevant to me. Now Facebook is a great tool for painting inspiration and general game information.
Not all armies are equal, but fuck it Beastmen are cool
Great video, it deserves much more like. Thanks a lot for this one
This is great! I can wait to start my idoneth deepkin army!
Thanks for the video, well thought out.
*I love more starting guides for each faction & mechanics .*
These are some of my favorite videos on RUclips or any other platform
+Nina Milliken aw thank you!!!
I'd say I'm somewhat in between of the have fun and competitive spectrum. I enjoy having a handful of models that I just really like aesthetically but I also like to have an army that as long as I play correctly I can do well against opponents without getting my doors completely blown off.
Thats the best place to be, thank you for watching!
So you may have already thought about this but just in case have you thought about bringing in other people from around the community for your Victory Condition series? Almost every other channel I've watched has spoken well of your channel and you have guested on at least some of them so I'm sure they would return the favor (hopefully). I've been collecting models and such just for the fun of it for nearly a year now but more recently I've been moving toward actually getting together an army to play with and this series sounds great. I really think this could be an amazing resource for everyone in the community and having focused discussion with other people and offering multiple viewpoints and back and forth seems like it could help cover the subjects more in depth and possibly make it even better. Regardless it sounds like it will be great series and I'd like to thank you for doing it. Your lore videos helped convince me to check out AoS in the first place and helped me navigate through picking stuff when I started so thanks for your channel!
Damn straight. Great coverage of the hobby.
Hey thank you so much for watching!!!
This is a very cool introduction for the new players. Very informative.
Awesome intro! I was there once with atleast a hobby point of view. My opinion is check out the lore, do you like it? Nothing worse then think meh this story is either boring or doesn't excite/relate to me. Second is painting, do you think you'll like to paint it? Can you use colours you like? Finally is imo is looks. But for me I found looks can help tie in with painting and building, I think they can relate so remember that!
Another way is look at two small armies. I start nurgle, love them bit love deepkin too lol. So I start with nurgle and learn to hobby and gives me confidence to then start the deepkin! Also helps if you wanna read or watch AOS.. have a second interest helps. So for me less is more there.
So! Start small, get into 1-2 forces, get one good brush for minimum fine use the rest can be shit firm brushes and enjoy!
Thanks for the channel Doug 👍
Well done!
thanks bro :) exactly what I was looking for! do you have any idea if I should wait for AOS 3.0 ?
Doug @2+Tuff thanks for this video! I’ve a bunch of stormcast and ghosties my wife loves shaven tho so still waiting on new new stuff for that. I do have malign sorcery and a couple other expansions but not sure what order to do them in? Anywhere I could find that?
I'd suggest starting with the core rules, then diggin into the Battleplans of the GHB (any of them). Then start adding things in bit by bit. Grab whatever looks cool!
Well thought out and informational! Thanks for making this!
As someone who use to play War40k back in 2008 to 2013(Guard, Dark Angels and Tau). While interested the start up cost seems to high to justify it.
Definitely Not Michael
Ah, c’mon, you can justify anything. Just ask Sigmar or Teclis.
Not as expensive as it used to be depending on the army. If you still have paints and stuff it'd just be the army and the books. If you pick an army like Stormcast you'll find tons of second hand stuff knocking around plus they have some decent bundles, you can definitely do it cheaper now than in the past imo
@@NMahon agree with that bud.
@@NMahon Any paint or glue I owned dried up long ago. I'd have to drop around $100 in the initial supplies itself.
@@placeholdername3818 That is tough. When I got back into it I started with only the basic paints I needed to start with, as a pretty crappy painter it was base colours and a wash pretty much, if you pick an easy to paint army you can achieve decent results with limited paints like Nighthaunt for example, you could probably do it with like 3-4 paints maybe? Especially with contrast now. If you slow grow your army, budget it over a year you can be quite economic with it, yes it takes a long time and it's definitely not cheap, but with a bit of planning there is definitely a way to do it. Heck if you've got any friends playing maybe just get a box and play skirmish or proxy the models while you play and build up your army slowly, with free rules and warscrolls you just need a bag of cheap bases if your mates are cool with it. Of course there is cost involved unfortunately and it can be expensive, too much so, and I really hope you get to play at some point because its a fun game and a neat community, best of luck! :)
Just started a iron jaws army in the local club. Looking forward to stomp zome gitz
Great content. I really appreciate this level of information. It really helps ease my entry into AoS and let's me plan my purchases and projects. Question: have you done any videos on terrain? I am working on scratch building terrain. My research is telling me that on a 4x4 table having 25% covered or at least 2x2 in terrain pieces split into line-of-sight blocking, cover and scatter will work best. What are a few essential things to know or consider when creating terrain for AoS?
Glad it was helpful! As for terrain, nah I've never really done a video on it. I'm not really a terrain builder and I just kinda throw things on the table to tell a story, not so much worried about density and such. I'll find someone to help me cover that!
I was thinking of taking up the Kharadron Overlords because of the awesome steampunk look that they have but at the same time they are not that effective in game from what I saw (I’m a new player ^^) online. Could you enlighten me on that ?
Painted some Gitz while listen to this ;) and i have one question qhta do you think about the prize points when 30 cost lets say 150 points and 60 250 i dont like it that it forces you to use bigger units to get the best out of the best
Are you referring to the discount of maximum sized units?
@@2Tough Yes ;)
Love your vids
Thank you!!!
Do you need line of sight to charge?
My understanding is no, you do not. The only thing in the rules that is required to charge is that you unit is eligible (meaning it didnt run or retreat in the movement phase) and that the charge roll is good enough to allow the first model you move to end within .5" of an enemy model :)
@@2Tough In 40k, you do not need line of sight to charge, which is a trick people use to make sure they don't get shot in over-watch.
Maybe I think newbie need to stay away from horde army