Gangrel almost had me in tears. You could tell he really loved her and leaving her was the hardest thing he had to do. I am glad hes in a good place because he was such a nice guy when I met him several years ago.
I met him and I told him how much I admired Luna and how much I respected her as a woman and as a superstar. I told him how much I felt she was COMPLETELY underappreciated and that if anyone needed to show appreciation and respect for Luna, SABLE should be kissing her ass for the push she gave her! His response.....he said if she was here and I told her this....she would be in TEARS because of how touched she'd feel. He is such a sweetheart and he has my respect 100000%
Luna wasnt a bad looking woman & I always enjoyed her intergender matches more than her work with the women. She kind of opened the door for Chyna in my opinion
No, sir, not at all. In fact, I thought she was cute and attractive when she was younger. She was a very interesting, but ultimately, a very tragically doomed woman😒 she had many facets to her life, including her marriage to 'Gangrel' Dave Heath, which I didn't know of until about a year ago when he was interviewed
@@michaelvaughn8864 all of which ironically was pretty much Chyna story & demise as well. Luna was a better worker and was more immediately attractive but Chyna had a hell of a short lived career.
@@propaneK1982 There certainly are similarities between the 2 late ladies, sir. It's saddening they're no longer with us😔 Luna, to me, was the more talented in comparison. They both left a permanent mark in the wrestling biz👍 R.I.P. Luna Vachon / Joanie 'Chyna' Laurer😇
@@jonmccormick8683 It didn't get any better than Kevin Sullivan & his Army of Darkness, Mr. McCormick👍 I had no inkling the late Luna Vachon was a member
Yeah, it's a shame how all the narcotics and deep depression she took and suffered from over the years ruined her good looks. She actually was hot🔥 before she went thru all the bad stuff in her later years😒 R.I.P. Luna Vachon😇
I still remember the story about X-Pac bitching that Luna got a 6 rating for strength in the WWF Raw game while Kid only got a 4. Seeing as how Waltman was built like Kate Moss back then it was accurate, if anything giving him a 4 was probably being generous.
I feel I should point out that, Shawn Michaels is ranked the Strongest character in the game, with a strength of 8/10. Putting him higher than Luger, Diesel, Razor, and the Undertaker.
Luna is so overlooked as a tremendous influence in women’s wrestling. Folks usually recall the 💩 with Sable. They forget what a great valet she was, she could cut a good promo, she could work, and she was smart…she was a freaking genius to be able to make Sable look decent. I was always such a Luna fan, and I am happy Dark Side of the Ring highlighted her and how great she was in the ring. It also shed light on why she was such a tortured soul and felt the need to self medicate.
I know it’s immaterial towards the discussion, but I have to give you props for the 154 avatar. Definitely one of my favorite albums of all time. Cheers!
That woman scared me more than any scary movie I ever watched. She was terrifying. I can still hear her growling and hissing, “Sable,” in my head and it still runs a chill up my spine. Which means she knew how to work. Female wrestlers like Luna could teach these modern women a thing or three.
Always thought Luna and Sherri from 93 was an underrated program. The big cat fight on Raw where Sherri got her revenge from Mania was a cool early Raw moment.
That episode was something else. Welcome amount of actual wrestling content. Freaking tragic. As the episode ending emphasised, if only the women's division had reached what it is now while Luna was in the ring. Imagine her with Rhea Ripley, Charlotte Flair or Britt Baker. Also glad to see her son, Van. He was on Hell's Kitchen and ended up making a good career in the culinary industry. You can see aspects of Luna's intensity in him.
Luna would be retired by now but she could have done great things with Trish, Lita, Molly, Victoria, Gail and Jazz. She already worked some with Ivory and Jackie. She just missed that golden era.
The most annoying thing was Luna not being acknowledged after her match with Sable. That's another entry in Satan's Book of Charges against Vincent Kennedy McMahon. Also, she was dedicated to and in love with a business that wasn't in love with her.
Like Bret Hart and the ones who grew up and worked the business like Cornette. Just Bret would go on about it far too much we get what he's on about but he just needed to put it to bed once and for all
So ypu didnt see the SX tape of him and his wife where he comes withva Rackett only and sings: im just a horny boy...i want to be you boy toy...while she answers. You are my corny boy..get me some more boy toy
Van wasnt just on Hells Kitchen. He is probably the most popular contestant ever on the show. Guy has a magnetic personality and is a hell of chef. He got robbed in his second season.
Yeah that was BS when he was eliminated the second time. He nailed it all season and had one mediocre night on the fish station and got eliminated. Only because he's an expert in cooking fish, so was judged more harshly. He was far better than most of the remaining contestants.
Bullshit. Everything great about modern women's wrestling exists in spite of Moolah's influence, not because of it. Mildred Burke's legacy has triumphed here.
@TheJoeGreene And you have the empathy of one. Thanks to the likes of John Laurinaitis, WWE's women's division is back to piss-break filler quality. The entire Queen's Crown tournament lasted under 30 minutes. AEW's is starting to outstrip it, but it's still not up to the level it could be.
@@VaderPopsVicodin10Sherri deserves a documentary or episode of DSOTR. She is so missed. What a presence she possessed! She was absolutely gorgeous and so brilliant with whatever they gave her to do.
@@kca49- I would call that team, "Macho Madness," if Miss Elizabeth didn't became Savage's valet/manager. That would have been fun and wild: especially promo wise (unhinged, of course). Ooh, Yeah !!!! There was one gal known as "Miss Madness" or "Mona" in WCW (Molly Holly).
It broke my heart to hear no one gave Luna appreciation at WrestleMania for doing what she did for Sable during that match. And like Brian, I first saw her at WM9 and was terrified.
Dave Heath (Gangrel) is a dude I have really grown to like in the last couple of years. I have seen multiple interviews that he has done, and he always comes across as humble, honest, and genuinely seems to be a decent human being. I have really been impressed by him, and I hate it that he was never given a chance to get a run at the top, because he seems to be a really good person.
I think in the Attitude era it was hard to get to the top because it was so competitive and he was never going to be a top guy in the WWE with that gimmick but yeah he could have at least got a short IC or European title run but I remember him losing all his matches for title shots. They wouldnt even let him beat X Pac for the European title, I think that match was on Smackdown IIRC. I always hear rumors about how Vince McMahon didnt like the gimmick and Russo was the one pushing it.
@@qkomodo9098 That entrance tho. So badass. I always wondered whether or not the people that sat by the ring stairs would get sprayed by the "blood", and if so, whether they would try to avoid or embrace it. I was a weird kid.
Trust me Luna was the one knocking him around not the other way around, that was no act Luna was the type of woman who would cut your throat while you were asleep
I love who they interview for these episodes. It's not the best known people who knew the subject but the people who knew the subject best or at least the ones willing to talk about it. Dark Side has more respect for wrestling than most
Best example of this was getting Scott Norton on for the North Korea episode. I literally only remembered him from the WCW vs. NWO World Tour game as the dude who looked like he was screaming at someone in his character selection screen lmfao...but he was there and had a ton of crazy shit happen to him on that trip so I'm glad Vice interviewed him
I Learned something new while watching this Episode of Dark side of the Ring I had no idea that Luna was Canadian and I enjoyed her Pairing with Gangrel it Added to Gangrel's Gimmick and this Artwork of Gangrel and Luna looks awesome props to Coyote Duran.
@@charlessaints Dude! I 100% agree! They had to ug her up big time to make her into a Heel. She had tits and ass, a nice waist with a pretty face, but she wanted to be more than that. She wanted to downplay that and have people focus on the action and the story being told in the ring not some beauty pageant! She was above being a Diva. She was a proper wrestler and an all around Tough Lady. She is the only woman I have ever seen on Tv that made me actually believe she could go toe to toe with a grown man in a fist fight and WIN! I completely understand why she didn't accept Madusa's most gracious offer. She wanted a true title run where the title had been given to her by the promoter. She didnt want to steal the title for one night of glory only to be stripped and never booked again!
Loved Luna, her name does not get mentioned enough, truly up there with the best females that did it like the guys Sheri Martel, Madusa, Jackie Moore and Luna
Luna was always one of my favorite wrestlers! It is really sad that it took this long for her to get the recognition she deserved, but she definitely earns every bit of praise that she has had heaped upon her in the past few years!
Great comparison. That's who she reminded me of. I just watched the program they are discussing and it was the first time I'd ever seen Luna Vachon. It was seeing Hell's Kitchen with her son Van that made me seek this out.
i always loved luna and chyna they were different and i loved luna and how she worked and such beautiful words by mick foley at the end that made me cry so terriable how they treated luna
That episode gave me a new appreciation for her. She freaked me out as a kid and she didn't really have much of an opportunity to work when I got older.
Good episode. Mostly remember Luna when she managed Bull Nakano and Bam Bam. She could cut a promo, work in the ring and had a great look. She reminded me of Sherri Martel because they cut great promos and they were so intense in and outside the ring. Like Kanyon, was sad to she what she had went thru in her career. But I appreciate VICE for these documentaries as it sheds light on what they went thru and gives new generation of fans a chance to know what they've done for the business.
I wish Luna could have stayed in WWE a little longer to wrestle some of the girls around 2003. She could have had some great matches with Molly, Lita, Ivory, and Jazz.
From Butcher Vachon's Wikipedia page: "In 1993, he was diagnosed with colon cancer and had half of his colon removed. Then, in 2003, he was diagnosed with throat cancer. Vachon underwent 40 treatments, one on each week day for five straight weeks, to overcome the throat cancer. In addition, he had the disease burned out of his tonsils and his teeth were removed. As a result of the radiation treatments, he underwent reconstructive jaw surgery in early June 2009. Vachon also suffers from diabetes"
Didn’t she go in as a legacy entry? I remember people angry that Luna got in via a passing mention while Torrie Wilson got the full star treatment the same year.
@@maxxdahl6062 El Santo too. In his prime he was the ultimate wrestler in terms of popularity, he is basically a national hero and you can only say that about Bret Hart or Kurt Angle.
I am glad Corney talked about that incident about Paul Vachon marrying the widow. That was the weirdest thing I ever heard. Why did she knock on his door?? Also, I wish they could talk more about Vivian Vachon, who I found out died at 40 in a car wreck. Good show.
She was just in the wrong time but it's tragic that so many champions have talked about their belts as props or whined about having to lug them around airports whereas Luna REALLY wanted to be champion ... and she would've been an EXCELLENT champion.
I always liked watching Luna while growing up because she was different. That's not disrespectful because I'm different myself. This was the only episode I was looking for with Dark Side of the ring.
The thing that I got from this episode is that Madusa don’t give a f**k. I’m kind of surprised that there wasn’t any mention of Owen Hart saying positive things to Luna for putting Sable over at Wrestlemania.
@@Bubba__Sawyer This is late, but Luna was crying while everyone was popping champagne and giving flowers to Sable. Owen saw Luna and was the only one to praise her for the match.
The first time I ever saw or heard of Luna was when she appeared in the WWF as Bam Bam Bigelow's "main squeeze". Bam Bam scared me alone as a kid. I'd never seen someone with a tattooed skull before. Then out came Luna Vachon with her own crazy headwork and the "There is no Dana, only Zuul" voice. I believed that these two people were what they appeared to be.
Always remember hearing the story about one of her matches, it might have even been the one involving Sable, where the only person who stayed behind the curtain to congratulate Luna after the match was Owen Hart.
I remember Luna MOST being Bam Bams "Main Squeeze"... I remember a lil of other things, but I was a just a kid....an she SCARED THE SHIT OUTTA ME👀😜🤣🤣🤣🤣
Luna Vachon was way ahead of her time. She was ready for the Divas Revolution/Women’s Evolution but, it wasn’t ready for her like Lita, Trish Stratus, Beth Phoenix just to name a few.
I was on an Indy show once with her years ago, and I was standing in front of the Gorilla position when she was about to go out and she scolded me for it. I NEVER did that again . It's simply locker room etiquette that I learned the hard way and never forgot!
Just something to the effect that when someone's getting ready to go out for their match you shouldn't stand in their way or something like that. I apologized and never did that again! Maybe I wasn't paying attention but it's just one of those things you learn from veterans and try to pass it along to the next generation of kids in the business. But today's ' wrestlers' are know- it- all's and brats so why even try..?! Ha. Once in awhile they'll be a kid who gets it and wants to learn the business but for the most part it's a whole new generation or just simply don't get the concept of pro wrestling in my opinion
Probably the best episode this season. Learned a lot of stuff I didn’t know before. I feel like too many episodes of the season are about stuff that everyone knows every detail about already. Like the plane ride from hell, or the North Korean show.
I remember seeing Luna when she was with Bam Bam Bigelow back when I was a kid during the 1993 Survivor Series. And Gangrel was an awesome manger with Edge and Chastain and later on with the Hardys.
I met Luna in the mid 90s and she was with Gangrel before he was Gangrel. She almost kicked my ass for knowing too much of the business at the time. Not the best meet and greet. But I respect the fact she was protective over the business. R.I.P. LUNA
Good to see Lady Maxine again. Last time I saw her was when she got kicked in the crotch by Dark Journey in the UWF. Enormous thumbs down to Vince for treating Luna like shit.
I'm always going to associate Luna as being the valet to Bam bam, and before that, the one who randomly got involved with Sherri in the midst of her fallout with Shawn Michaels.
Luna's best work was with Bam Bam. The stuff she did with Goldust was pretty good too. Women's wrestling in general back then was practically non-existent, but Luna was great in the valet role. She was given plenty to do.
I remember the first time I saw Luna vashon and I was fascinated by her look and she was a good wrestler one of or probably the best female wrestler ever
First time I saw her I thought she was an absolute badass who shouldn’t be fucked with. I didn’t think much of it at the time, but looking back it was weird they tried to slot her into swimsuit contests and evening gown matches. I started watching in 2001-2002 but I bought a bunch of the old PPV tapes so all I saw of her was from those
Corngrel or Gangrette? Huge shame with Luna, the whole documentary was fantastic and it was an extremely sad story but what an inspiration for women wrestlers in the business, Luna was a fantastic talent who never got to show us what she could do on the big stage. We should all feel robbed by the WWF/E.
First time I saw Luna, she was walking Gold Dust down the entrance with a dog collar. I remember saying to myself - "Holy shit! This chick is scary!!" Truly a wasted talent by the WWF.
Jim and Brian, I speak to Butcher Vachon once a year in NH. He does the fair circuit selling his books, I have all 4 of them autographed and personalized
Stop the dark side of the ring episode on RUclips at 1:02 & 10:22. How awesome are those snapshots? Especially at 10:22, Kevin Sullivan vs Dusty Rhodes at the beginning and height of their epic Florida feud. I bet those are Bill Apter photos with his old camera from the 1970s. Crisp, clear with exceptional detail. Reminds me of the classic Apter magazine color cover photos from the 1970s and early 80s. You just don't see quality like it anymore.
I've heard the Luna Moola story. Not so specific, but that she was "pimped out" and lost it on the guy. On the topic of "Luna today": She'd be deemed too problematic and "not reliable" to be signed by the WWE because with today's internet, her shit would be everywhere so her having a top dollar career is unlikely. She wasn't healthy. That'd be true today too. It's not fault. That shit just happens sometimes. I wish she were here today though. Always a Luna fan.
If you recall it was mentioned that her aunt Vivian molested her as well. Being that Mad Dog dismissed it on Dark Side, so just imagine how bad it was back then. So she was alone with Mula and her Aunt whom everyone thought was on the up and up outside of the wrestling world. In that world she was prey to them
Gangrel almost had me in tears. You could tell he really loved her and leaving her was the hardest thing he had to do. I am glad hes in a good place because he was such a nice guy when I met him several years ago.
Loved his OG Impaler DDT finisher on Shotgun. Shame Vince had him nerf it early-on. Gangrel is the most hardcore vampire-wrestler 👍.
Definitely too nice of a dude to be released for his shirt coming untucked
I met him and I told him how much I admired Luna and how much I respected her as a woman and as a superstar. I told him how much I felt she was COMPLETELY underappreciated and that if anyone needed to show appreciation and respect for Luna, SABLE should be kissing her ass for the push she gave her!
His response.....he said if she was here and I told her this....she would be in TEARS because of how touched she'd feel. He is such a sweetheart and he has my respect 100000%
Gangrel is a true professional wrestler in a very unprofessional ran business.
@@Lingerer_ that's a myth
Luna wasnt a bad looking woman & I always enjoyed her intergender matches more than her work with the women. She kind of opened the door for Chyna in my opinion
No, sir, not at all. In fact, I thought she was cute and attractive when she was younger. She was a very interesting, but ultimately, a very tragically doomed woman😒 she had many facets to her life, including her marriage to 'Gangrel' Dave Heath, which I didn't know of until about a year ago when he was interviewed
@@michaelvaughn8864 all of which ironically was pretty much Chyna story & demise as well. Luna was a better worker and was more immediately attractive but Chyna had a hell of a short lived career.
@@propaneK1982 There certainly are similarities between the 2 late ladies, sir. It's saddening they're no longer with us😔 Luna, to me, was the more talented in comparison. They both left a permanent mark in the wrestling biz👍 R.I.P. Luna Vachon / Joanie 'Chyna' Laurer😇
Need to see Luna's Florida work where Kevin Sullivan shaves 1/2 her head and she joins up with Kevin Sullivan's freak show. -Pure wrestling gold.
@@jonmccormick8683 It didn't get any better than Kevin Sullivan & his Army of Darkness, Mr. McCormick👍 I had no inkling the late Luna Vachon was a member
This artwork literally made me chuckle and say "what the fuck" out loud.
I'mall mixed up with the artwork. Who's in charge now? Old style or new comic style?
@@racineurr.8924 Travis is slowly getting back into the swing of things for now its a volatile beautiful mix
@@racineurr.8924 I prefer the old shitter art tbh. lol it just fit so perfectly
lmaoas
I was shocked how attractive she was before all the drugs and everything. She was gorgeous.
Yep
Yeah, it's a shame how all the narcotics and deep depression she took and suffered from over the years ruined her good looks. She actually was hot🔥 before she went thru all the bad stuff in her later years😒 R.I.P. Luna Vachon😇
Luna had a cute face. Bull Nakano is pretty too.
Wasn't Penelope Paradise the one that specifically said "every girl has a moolah story"?
I still remember the story about X-Pac bitching that Luna got a 6 rating for strength in the WWF Raw game while Kid only got a 4. Seeing as how Waltman was built like Kate Moss back then it was accurate, if anything giving him a 4 was probably being generous.
Plus I can well imagine that Luna was fucking strong. Not Chyna strong but a fuckton stronger than the likes of Sable, Kat or Debra
😂😂😂😂
Lmfao
I feel I should point out that, Shawn Michaels is ranked the Strongest character in the game, with a strength of 8/10.
Putting him higher than Luger, Diesel, Razor, and the Undertaker.
@@MaxxCoyote Diesel was/is a weakling
Luna is so overlooked as a tremendous influence in women’s wrestling. Folks usually recall the 💩 with Sable. They forget what a great valet she was, she could cut a good promo, she could work, and she was smart…she was a freaking genius to be able to make Sable look decent. I was always such a Luna fan, and I am happy Dark Side of the Ring highlighted her and how great she was in the ring. It also shed light on why she was such a tortured soul and felt the need to self medicate.
QA a events like do we get a debit card for
She's only overlooked by children grown-ups are very familiar with her.
If not for the two Vinces, we might have never had to suffer through Sable's terrible promos.
I'm surprised Luna didn't suffer a career ending back injury from carrying Sable.
Yeah she knew how to park cars
Corngrel was originally supposed to be the manager for The Brood, but instead opted to run developmental in Transylvania Valley Wrestling.
I know it’s immaterial towards the discussion, but I have to give you props for the 154 avatar. Definitely one of my favorite albums of all time. Cheers!
That woman scared me more than any scary movie I ever watched.
She was terrifying.
I can still hear her growling and hissing, “Sable,” in my head and it still runs a chill up my spine.
Which means she knew how to work.
Female wrestlers like Luna could teach these modern women a thing or three.
Sables voice was way more scarier
..as if anyone ever realized what she said...no blood for ears left among her fans :-D
She'd be good for Freddy Kruger lol
Gangrel Is actually my wrestling trainer here at CCW, Down to earth and honest. Cool dude and much respect.
Bull 💩
Tell him i said he deserved so much better then what he got in wwf. Hes awesome
Always thought Luna and Sherri from 93 was an underrated program. The big cat fight on Raw where Sherri got her revenge from Mania was a cool early Raw moment.
RIGHT ON THE MONEY!!!!!
That was one of the longest and best catfights I've ever seen. They need to put that whole segment on YT.
@@leeberry689 I'm kinda amazed somebody hasn't yet posted it after all these years, Mr. Berry😳
And when they beat up Rob Bartlett 😆
That episode was something else. Welcome amount of actual wrestling content. Freaking tragic. As the episode ending emphasised, if only the women's division had reached what it is now while Luna was in the ring. Imagine her with Rhea Ripley, Charlotte Flair or Britt Baker. Also glad to see her son, Van. He was on Hell's Kitchen and ended up making a good career in the culinary industry. You can see aspects of Luna's intensity in him.
Wasn't Van the insecure guy who argued with Jean Phillipe that one episode? Dude was portrayed as a dickhole
Luna would be retired by now but she could have done great things with Trish, Lita, Molly, Victoria, Gail and Jazz. She already worked some with Ivory and Jackie. She just missed that golden era.
@@JohnSmith-xg9wx No, Luna would have exposed all those people for the trash they were, she was on a other level.
@@michaelkeller5927 that was him
Haha, you bet, I just saw a podcast featuring Van and he doesn't take shit from anybody, just like his mom
The most annoying thing was Luna not being acknowledged after her match with Sable. That's another entry in Satan's Book of Charges against Vincent Kennedy McMahon.
Also, she was dedicated to and in love with a business that wasn't in love with her.
Like Bret Hart and the ones who grew up and worked the business like Cornette. Just Bret would go on about it far too much we get what he's on about but he just needed to put it to bed once and for all
“Good shit, pal!”
@@brettbanta2100 😂
That was heartbreaking
@@kishoremb9809 It was....
We need a Cornette version of HBK's theme.
"I'm just a Corny boy."
" Not your yes boy" second line.
So ypu didnt see the SX tape of him and his wife where he comes withva Rackett only and sings: im just a horny boy...i want to be you boy toy...while she answers. You are my corny boy..get me some more boy toy
Van wasnt just on Hells Kitchen. He is probably the most popular contestant ever on the show. Guy has a magnetic personality and is a hell of chef. He got robbed in his second season.
I couldn't believe he was her son I really couldn't, I watched a little of it and was like i know that guy from somewhere
@@dnakatomiuk I couldn't believe it when I read it. Two people who couldn't appear to be any more different!
I loved when he almost fought Jean-Philippe lmao
Yeah I watched the episode and thought I know I've seen him before and when jim said it my mind was blown
Yeah that was BS when he was eliminated the second time. He nailed it all season and had one mediocre night on the fish station and got eliminated. Only because he's an expert in cooking fish, so was judged more harshly. He was far better than most of the remaining contestants.
Loved the last quote of Mick Foley about Luna. She would've been proud of today's women wrestling
Bullshit. Everything great about modern women's wrestling exists in spite of Moolah's influence, not because of it. Mildred Burke's legacy has triumphed here.
@@kellyvaters1689 who mentioned Moolah? You're projecting fella.
@@kellyvaters1689 They’re saying Luna would be proud of women’s wrestling today, not Moolah lol
I censor a comment it gets deleted. I say Fuck RUclips and they don't care. Does that make sense to anyone?
@TheJoeGreene And you have the empathy of one. Thanks to the likes of John Laurinaitis, WWE's women's division is back to piss-break filler quality. The entire Queen's Crown tournament lasted under 30 minutes. AEW's is starting to outstrip it, but it's still not up to the level it could be.
You can hear Jim's heart breaking when he's talking about how great she was.
@@VaderPopsVicodin10Sherri deserves a documentary or episode of DSOTR. She is so missed. What a presence she possessed! She was absolutely gorgeous and so brilliant with whatever they gave her to do.
She became her character. I remember when she was managing Golddust in the late 90s. That was some crazy shit.
The Artist formerly known as Goldust
That partnership is how i came up with this username as a kid back then, lol. MansonDust, Vaderdust etc.
@@adriancarlos9155 Macho Man comes to mind. Lol
@@kca49- I would call that team, "Macho Madness," if Miss Elizabeth didn't became Savage's valet/manager. That would have been fun and wild: especially promo wise (unhinged, of course). Ooh, Yeah !!!! There was one gal known as "Miss Madness" or "Mona" in WCW (Molly Holly).
I enjoyed Luna as a kid. Also she's the first woman wrestler to appear in a wrestling video game WWF RAW.
First woman in a WWF game. The Fire Pro Joshi game came before
@@mattharper1242 yeah all of 4 people who know this game existed agree with you
@@alikayyal9050 does that really matter? Or is history just subjective now?
Cutie Suzuki: No Ringside Angel
Mega Drive 1990.
@@mattharper1242 History has always been subjective. But yes, Ali sure is being a douche.
I always liked Luna team up with Bam Bam
Never understood why they didn't do more with em. Instead of lame feuds with Doink n Booger
@@smarkslowplay3512 that was the only role I liked her in. I didn't care for the other stuff. I always thought she was scary for a female.
It broke my heart to hear no one gave Luna appreciation at WrestleMania for doing what she did for Sable during that match. And like Brian, I first saw her at WM9 and was terrified.
That was such bullshit. They wanted her to go out there and make Sable look strong and to not scratch her up. She did exactly that. Scumbags.
What I like about Jim Cornette is he tells it like it is. Just the facts, ma'm! Or in his case, sir😂!
Luna should have put a beating on sable. Sable was too overrated.
I heard Owen heart did.
Dave Heath (Gangrel) is a dude I have really grown to like in the last couple of years. I have seen multiple interviews that he has done, and he always comes across as humble, honest, and genuinely seems to be a decent human being. I have really been impressed by him, and I hate it that he was never given a chance to get a run at the top, because he seems to be a really good person.
I think in the Attitude era it was hard to get to the top because it was so competitive and he was never going to be a top guy in the WWE with that gimmick but yeah he could have at least got a short IC or European title run but I remember him losing all his matches for title shots. They wouldnt even let him beat X Pac for the European title, I think that match was on Smackdown IIRC. I always hear rumors about how Vince McMahon didnt like the gimmick and Russo was the one pushing it.
On top of that, he has among the most underappreciated pieces of music Jim Johnston has ever made
I concur. And, this is the 1st time I saw Gangrel with regular teeth.
@@qkomodo9098 That entrance tho. So badass. I always wondered whether or not the people that sat by the ring stairs would get sprayed by the "blood", and if so, whether they would try to avoid or embrace it. I was a weird kid.
Trust me Luna was the one knocking him around not the other way around, that was no act Luna was the type of woman who would cut your throat while you were asleep
I love who they interview for these episodes. It's not the best known people who knew the subject but the people who knew the subject best or at least the ones willing to talk about it. Dark Side has more respect for wrestling than most
That's what I like about it, they don't glamorise or over dramatise everything, they just let people tell their stories.
Best example of this was getting Scott Norton on for the North Korea episode. I literally only remembered him from the WCW vs. NWO World Tour game as the dude who looked like he was screaming at someone in his character selection screen lmfao...but he was there and had a ton of crazy shit happen to him on that trip so I'm glad Vice interviewed him
I Learned something new while watching this Episode of Dark side of the Ring I had no idea that Luna was Canadian and I enjoyed her Pairing with Gangrel it Added to Gangrel's Gimmick and this Artwork of Gangrel and Luna looks awesome props to Coyote Duran.
Shes not Canadian. The Vachons are.
He met her mom in Atlanta when she was 4.
@@xxjaime562xx oh my mistake I Just Looked at Wikipedia and now I understand thanks for letting me know.
@@xxjaime562xx that's very interesting.
Just watched this episode last night and I can finally understand Jim’s hatred to Sable, Vince, and Russo with clear eyes
I don't think Corny hates Vince. Doesn't like everything he does,but I do feel there's respect for him.
She was too ahead of her time. Shame she never got the respect she deserved.
I Love Luna Vachon. Always have, always will.
she was good at what she did and she was soo pretty
@@charlessaints Dude! I 100% agree! They had to ug her up big time to make her into a Heel. She had tits and ass, a nice waist with a pretty face, but she wanted to be more than that. She wanted to downplay that and have people focus on the action and the story being told in the ring not some beauty pageant! She was above being a Diva. She was a proper wrestler and an all around Tough Lady. She is the only woman I have ever seen on Tv that made me actually believe she could go toe to toe with a grown man in a fist fight and WIN! I completely understand why she didn't accept Madusa's most gracious offer. She wanted a true title run where the title had been given to her by the promoter. She didnt want to steal the title for one night of glory only to be stripped and never booked again!
@@jvharbin8337 That Madusa story just makes me respect her that much more.
@@CarlosMedina-vj7ot same!
@@CarlosMedina-vj7otyeah Medusa was trying to help her, but no one wants pity help, if that's what it was
"One time Luna had to hit Sable in the back. She was pushing the belt in to her back. Like that. Because she was afraid to get hurt" - Jim Cornette
that's like going to walk through a horse farm, and be afraid you'll get horse crap on your shoes.
I was surprised the episode completely skipped the Royal Rumble '99 story.
Loved Luna, her name does not get mentioned enough, truly up there with the best females that did it like the guys Sheri Martel, Madusa, Jackie Moore and Luna
Love this episode, great tribute to one of the greatest women in wrestling RIP LUNA. Medusa was great, too!!
Luna was always one of my favorite wrestlers! It is really sad that it took this long for her to get the recognition she deserved, but she definitely earns every bit of praise that she has had heaped upon her in the past few years!
Luna was like Wendy O. Williams as a kid I was scared and didn't know why I liked that.
Great comparison. That's who she reminded me of. I just watched the program they are discussing and it was the first time I'd ever seen Luna Vachon. It was seeing Hell's Kitchen with her son Van that made me seek this out.
i always loved luna and chyna they were different and i loved luna and how she worked and such beautiful words by mick foley at the end that made me cry so terriable how they treated luna
That episode gave me a new appreciation for her. She freaked me out as a kid and she didn't really have much of an opportunity to work when I got older.
She was my neighbor in NPR. What a beautiful soul and good vibes.
Good episode. Mostly remember Luna when she managed Bull Nakano and Bam Bam. She could cut a promo, work in the ring and had a great look. She reminded me of Sherri Martel because they cut great promos and they were so intense in and outside the ring. Like Kanyon, was sad to she what she had went thru in her career. But I appreciate VICE for these documentaries as it sheds light on what they went thru and gives new generation of fans a chance to know what they've done for the business.
I did not Know Van was Luna's son he was one of my favorite contestants on Hell's Kitchen.
Sadly the tone we are hearing with some the greats we lost, mental health. Remember we are not alone. Don't be afraid of asking for help. #tagmein
Lol
@Furt I checked: nobody is holding the tag rope and waiting. Thanks for nothing.
I wish Luna could have stayed in WWE a little longer to wrestle some of the girls around 2003. She could have had some great matches with Molly, Lita, Ivory, and Jazz.
From Butcher Vachon's Wikipedia page: "In 1993, he was diagnosed with colon cancer and had half of his colon removed. Then, in 2003, he was diagnosed with throat cancer. Vachon underwent 40 treatments, one on each week day for five straight weeks, to overcome the throat cancer. In addition, he had the disease burned out of his tonsils and his teeth were removed. As a result of the radiation treatments, he underwent reconstructive jaw surgery in early June 2009. Vachon also suffers from diabetes"
Luna deserves to be in the HOF
Didn’t she go in as a legacy entry? I remember people angry that Luna got in via a passing mention while Torrie Wilson got the full star treatment the same year.
@@lordtrigon1733 Legacy entries are almost disrespectful throw away mentions though.
@@maxxdahl6062 totally agree with you! Look at how the WWE HOF looks at Bruiser Brody R.I.P.
@@andyanderson4151 And Lou Thesz. Come the fuck on?
@@maxxdahl6062 El Santo too. In his prime he was the ultimate wrestler in terms of popularity, he is basically a national hero and you can only say that about Bret Hart or Kurt Angle.
I am glad Corney talked about that incident about Paul Vachon marrying the widow. That was the weirdest thing I ever heard. Why did she knock on his door?? Also, I wish they could talk more about Vivian Vachon, who I found out died at 40 in a car wreck. Good show.
I've always liked Luna also. Wwe should of gave her the title.
She was just in the wrong time but it's tragic that so many champions have talked about their belts as props or whined about having to lug them around airports whereas Luna REALLY wanted to be champion ... and she would've been an EXCELLENT champion.
Literally listening to this exact part on Spotify
Luna Vachon was the first licensed female wrestler in video games... It was like someone knew she was bankable AND believable.
Special was moon sault off top rope took me awhile to figure out how to do that special
I loved Luna. Always made me happy when she beat up Sable
I always liked watching Luna while growing up because she was different. That's not disrespectful because I'm different myself. This was the only episode I was looking for with Dark Side of the ring.
The thing that I got from this episode is that
Madusa don’t give a f**k. I’m kind of surprised that there wasn’t any mention of Owen Hart saying positive things to Luna for putting Sable over at Wrestlemania.
What's the story with Owen Hart and Luna?
@@Bubba__Sawyer This is late, but Luna was crying while everyone was popping champagne and giving flowers to Sable. Owen saw Luna and was the only one to praise her for the match.
Just another example of how great Owen was.
Can you imagine how it felt being a legit wrestler and having to put sable over
Luna should have done what Verne Gange wanted the Iron Sheik to do to hulk Hogan. F Vince McMahon and break sable up.
I loved Luna and Bam Bam . Loved Playing Luna and Bam in the video game aswell. Always loved the tapes I saw with her in Florida
Trivia: Luna was the first female to appear in a wrestling video game as a fully playable character.
Luna would destroy these "diva" wannabes of today. Luna was the real deal.
Ok
The first time I ever saw or heard of Luna was when she appeared in the WWF as Bam Bam Bigelow's "main squeeze". Bam Bam scared me alone as a kid. I'd never seen someone with a tattooed skull before. Then out came Luna Vachon with her own crazy headwork and the "There is no Dana, only Zuul" voice. I believed that these two people were what they appeared to be.
Always remember hearing the story about one of her matches, it might have even been the one involving Sable, where the only person who stayed behind the curtain to congratulate Luna after the match was Owen Hart.
That guy in Conn was the guy from the Netflix doc that bought his kid a semi-pro hockey team
I remember Luna MOST being Bam Bams "Main Squeeze"... I remember a lil of other things, but I was a just a kid....an she SCARED THE SHIT OUTTA ME👀😜🤣🤣🤣🤣
I remember Van from Hell's Kitchen! Damn!
Luna Vachon was way ahead of her time. She was ready for the Divas Revolution/Women’s Evolution but, it wasn’t ready for her like Lita, Trish Stratus, Beth Phoenix just to name a few.
I was on an Indy show once with her years ago, and I was standing in front of the Gorilla position when she was about to go out and she scolded me for it. I NEVER did that again . It's simply locker room etiquette that I learned the hard way and never forgot!
What did she say?
Just something to the effect that when someone's getting ready to go out for their match you shouldn't stand in their way or something like that. I apologized and never did that again! Maybe I wasn't paying attention but it's just one of those things you learn from veterans and try to pass it along to the next generation of kids in the business. But today's ' wrestlers' are know- it- all's and brats so why even try..?! Ha. Once in awhile they'll be a kid who gets it and wants to learn the business but for the most part it's a whole new generation or just simply don't get the concept of pro wrestling in my opinion
This episode breaks your heart
Luna Vachon vs Shayna Baszler would have been awesome.
Idk about that. Luna is tougher than a $2 steak but Shayna is LEGIT.
Luna was fantastic.
Did anybody else get the reference Jim made to Sable as a Matchbox car?
Probably the best episode this season. Learned a lot of stuff I didn’t know before. I feel like too many episodes of the season are about stuff that everyone knows every detail about already. Like the plane ride from hell, or the North Korean show.
I remember seeing Luna when she was with Bam Bam Bigelow back when I was a kid during the 1993 Survivor Series. And Gangrel was an awesome manger with Edge and Chastain and later on with the Hardys.
Luna is an icon her and Chyna were always my favorite female stars
I met Luna in the mid 90s and she was with Gangrel before he was Gangrel. She almost kicked my ass for knowing too much of the business at the time. Not the best meet and greet. But I respect the fact she was protective over the business. R.I.P. LUNA
Never try to use smark terms or flaunt that you're smart to wrestlers, that's just dumb. You don't do that until you're in the business.
Good to see Lady Maxine again. Last time I saw her was when she got kicked in the crotch by Dark Journey in the UWF. Enormous thumbs down to Vince for treating Luna like shit.
How old are you lmao?
Was this around the time that Sting got his ass kicked for banging Dark Journey?
@@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma not 100% sure, but I think so.
I recall a documentary on Wendi Richter that talked about Luna's issues with Moolah.
This mans mind for wrestling is the only thing keeping it alive right now.
Her son Van is a Hell of a Chef.. Saw Him on "Hell's Kitchen" a couple seasons.. Seems like a real good guy.
Always loved Van, he was such a character and a hell of a chef
Did you watch this episode ? He didnt seem sad or emotional at all.
@@Chaz4543 I did. Your right. Maybe He didn't have good memories of Her.
@@csw3287 I think he hardly ever saw her IDK.
@@Chaz4543 I think he hardly really knew her, remember he said he was raised by his grandma in that interview
Luna should have left Sable looking like Sabu.
Could you imagine her post Luna beat down trying to marry Brock Lesnar? Lmao
@@chozahfearless7524 he looks like a car that’s been mechanically pressed anyway, and she currently looks like Barbie can’t smile without surgery
@@NcTheory hilarious 🤣 Sable and Lil Kim could do a barbie special on Netflix
I'm always going to associate Luna as being the valet to Bam bam, and before that, the one who randomly got involved with Sherri in the midst of her fallout with Shawn Michaels.
Sherri left in thr summer, ending that feud suddenly. Then they paired Luna with Bigelow
Luna's best work was with Bam Bam. The stuff she did with Goldust was pretty good too. Women's wrestling in general back then was practically non-existent, but Luna was great in the valet role. She was given plenty to do.
Im Glad to have seen them in St. Petersburg in the 80's
They skipped the Daughters of Darkness part of her career, Loch & Luna. I was shocked to see that Van from Hell’s Kitchen is her son.
I remember the first time I saw Luna vashon and I was fascinated by her look and she was a good wrestler one of or probably the best female wrestler ever
First time I saw her I thought she was an absolute badass who shouldn’t be fucked with. I didn’t think much of it at the time, but looking back it was weird they tried to slot her into swimsuit contests and evening gown matches. I started watching in 2001-2002 but I bought a bunch of the old PPV tapes so all I saw of her was from those
His impersonation at 11:08 was classic 😆
Corngrel or Gangrette?
Huge shame with Luna, the whole documentary was fantastic and it was an extremely sad story but what an inspiration for women wrestlers in the business, Luna was a fantastic talent who never got to show us what she could do on the big stage. We should all feel robbed by the WWF/E.
First time I saw Luna, she was walking Gold Dust down the entrance with a dog collar. I remember saying to myself - "Holy shit! This chick is scary!!" Truly a wasted talent by the WWF.
Jim and Brian, I speak to Butcher Vachon once a year in NH. He does the fair circuit selling his books, I have all 4 of them autographed and personalized
I met him about 25 years ago also at county fair in NY
He was Crazy as a Rainbow Trout in a Car Wash.....lmao where does Jim come up with these
I'd have loved to see Luna shoot on Sable
Luna was a favorite valet of mine back in the day; had the look, could cut a promo, could work etc
Luna with the right make up could have been a model. Not a Diva. She was better than that class of women.
I thought her in her younger years was a beautiful woman, not that she wasn't when she got older
@@blancosfamilyfarm1798 agreed. 100% my friend.
This artwork makes you say "what the fuck" out loud and you love it.
Luna was such a sweetheart and beautiful woman, my all time favorite female wrestler of all!💖
Halloween havoc is next Tuesday night.
Gangrel and Luna were a great team.
Stop the dark side of the ring episode on RUclips at 1:02 & 10:22. How awesome are those snapshots? Especially at 10:22, Kevin Sullivan vs Dusty Rhodes at the beginning and height of their epic Florida feud. I bet those are Bill Apter photos with his old camera from the 1970s. Crisp, clear with exceptional detail. Reminds me of the classic Apter magazine color cover photos from the 1970s and early 80s. You just don't see quality like it anymore.
I've heard the Luna Moola story. Not so specific, but that she was "pimped out" and lost it on the guy.
On the topic of "Luna today": She'd be deemed too problematic and "not reliable" to be signed by the WWE because with today's internet, her shit would be everywhere so her having a top dollar career is unlikely. She wasn't healthy. That'd be true today too. It's not fault. That shit just happens sometimes.
I wish she were here today though. Always a Luna fan.
That story has been around for a long while now. I'm surprised they didn't know.
If you recall it was mentioned that her aunt Vivian molested her as well. Being that Mad Dog dismissed it on Dark Side, so just imagine how bad it was back then. So she was alone with Mula and her Aunt whom everyone thought was on the up and up outside of the wrestling world. In that world she was prey to them
I always thought she was awesome. She was the only woman in the early Monday Night RAW games and it was cool to see. And I loved her persona.
This was a very good episode
Corny can do no wrong. Love this guy.
I’ve only watched a couple of episodes from this series, really need to catch up on it.
Same here
Luna should have been women's champion at least once
The frkside of the ring of luna vouchon was so direct everything came out.
🤣 That Sunny "what did I do" part popped me. Poor Sunny just at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Norwich and Groton Connecticut. I remember it.
The intro by Jim for this video made me love him even more
Omg, One of my fav images from wrestling was Luna Vachon and HBK standing side by side in the ring.
is there a drawing of Jim as the heart break kid?